From rk111810 at gmail.com  Wed May  1 13:57:08 2013
From: rk111810 at gmail.com (R KANNAN)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 13:57:08 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Grep Tuxworthy says..
Message-ID: <CABX2cSFf1jx5Wp9JC4uRYqs1mPy4qt2A5u3vbiz6G-yWveT-nw@mail.gmail.com>

All,

I am giving a short intro presentation on Linux to my department staff
(mostly windows users in IT). I am planning to add a slide which says...

Grep Tuxworthy says "You might already be using Linux if.."

You are using Android smart phones (Android uses a modified Linux Kernel)
You are accessing internet web sites(Over 85% of web servers run on some
form of Linux)
You are TiVOing TV programs for watching later
You .....


Please correct (I don't want to overstate Linux market share or make
misstatements) or add more.

Any other comments are welcome as well.

Thanks

From ldaphelp at thuemmel.com  Wed May  1 14:18:59 2013
From: ldaphelp at thuemmel.com (Mark Thuemmel)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2013 14:18:59 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Grep Tuxworthy says..
In-Reply-To: <CABX2cSFf1jx5Wp9JC4uRYqs1mPy4qt2A5u3vbiz6G-yWveT-nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABX2cSFf1jx5Wp9JC4uRYqs1mPy4qt2A5u3vbiz6G-yWveT-nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51815C93.2050209@thuemmel.com>

On 05/01/2013 01:57 PM, R KANNAN wrote:
> All,
>
> I am giving a short intro presentation on Linux to my department staff
> (mostly windows users in IT). I am planning to add a slide which says...
>
> Grep Tuxworthy says "You might already be using Linux if.."
>
> You are using Android smart phones (Android uses a modified Linux Kernel)
> You are accessing internet web sites(Over 85% of web servers run on some
> form of Linux)
> You are TiVOing TV programs for watching later
> You .....
>
>
> Please correct (I don't want to overstate Linux market share or make
> misstatements) or add more.
>


gps

in-flight entertainment

almost anything with a web interface

sony tv


http://www.comparebusinessproducts.com/fyi/50-places-linux-running-you-might-not-expect

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheLinuxFoundation?feature=watch

From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Wed May  1 14:19:46 2013
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 14:19:46 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Grep Tuxworthy says..
In-Reply-To: <CABX2cSFf1jx5Wp9JC4uRYqs1mPy4qt2A5u3vbiz6G-yWveT-nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABX2cSFf1jx5Wp9JC4uRYqs1mPy4qt2A5u3vbiz6G-yWveT-nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD39dTYVBwb8ha11PiYNDJXuQJVwwGyZS_3us1dJSJ4Gieqd5A@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure about the 85% statement.  It's not just Linux-based OS but
many Unix-like OS also.  OS X is Unix-like and shares some code including
printer drivers, X.org, and the WebKit browser engine.

Most super computers use Linux.

Some automotive entertainment systems.


On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:57 PM, R KANNAN <rk111810 at gmail.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> I am giving a short intro presentation on Linux to my department staff
> (mostly windows users in IT). I am planning to add a slide which says...
>
> Grep Tuxworthy says "You might already be using Linux if.."
>
> You are using Android smart phones (Android uses a modified Linux Kernel)
> You are accessing internet web sites(Over 85% of web servers run on some
> form of Linux)
> You are TiVOing TV programs for watching later
> You .....
>
>
> Please correct (I don't want to overstate Linux market share or make
> misstatements) or add more.
>
> Any other comments are welcome as well.
>
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>

From fulner at gmail.com  Wed May  1 15:05:04 2013
From: fulner at gmail.com (Jim Fulner)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 15:05:04 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] mdlug.org@gmail.com
Message-ID: <CAGiHCwOONh2VWr5Ur+=xRK2KJVzca-tVSWJrnEaNo_uvtXch+g@mail.gmail.com>

Do we know who actually "owns" mdlug.org at gmail.com? The Google Calendar
still shows meetings in Inkster.
--
Jim Fulner
The DetroitLibertyPenguin
Promoting Free Minds, Free Markets and Free Software
and whenever possible Free Beer
"For as long as one of your brothers is not free, none of you are free"
248-765-7458 (cell)
http://identi.ca/JimFulner

From jjn at nuge.com  Wed May  1 15:21:42 2013
From: jjn at nuge.com (Jay Nugent)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 15:21:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Grep Tuxworthy says..
In-Reply-To: <CABX2cSFf1jx5Wp9JC4uRYqs1mPy4qt2A5u3vbiz6G-yWveT-nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABX2cSFf1jx5Wp9JC4uRYqs1mPy4qt2A5u3vbiz6G-yWveT-nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1305011512430.26986@server1.nuge.com>

Greetings,

On Wed, 1 May 2013, R KANNAN wrote:

> All,
>
> I am giving a short intro presentation on Linux to my department staff
> (mostly windows users in IT). I am planning to add a slide which says...
>
> Grep Tuxworthy says "You might already be using Linux if.."
>
> You are using Android smart phones (Android uses a modified Linux Kernel)
> You are accessing internet web sites(Over 85% of web servers run on some
> form of Linux)
> You are TiVOing TV programs for watching later
> You .....
>

    o Watch any animated movie produced by Pixar.  The rendering is done on
      a farm of Linux machines.  Titanic, Shreck, etc...

    o Use the Google search engine.  Presume Google Docs and Gmail use
      Linux, as well.

    o Call any small businesses that us the VoIP PBX "Asterisk".

    o Use a WRT54GL WiFi access point.  "L" for Linux, though most if not
      all of their other models are Linux under the hood.

    o AT&T U-verse DVR is Linux.

    ...and the list goes on...


    "In a world without fences, who needs Gates?!?!?!"

       --- Jay

         () ascii ribbon campaign in
         /\ support of plain text e-mail

   Averaging at least 3 days of MTBWTF!?!?!?
  The solution for long term Internet growth is IPv6.
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Jay Nugent   jjn at nuge.com    (734)484-5105    (734)649-0850/Cell       |
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| ISP Monitoring [www.ispmonitor.org] ISP & Modem Performance Monitoring |
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From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Wed May  1 16:39:39 2013
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 16:39:39 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Grep Tuxworthy says..
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.2.02.1305011512430.26986@server1.nuge.com>
References: <CABX2cSFf1jx5Wp9JC4uRYqs1mPy4qt2A5u3vbiz6G-yWveT-nw@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LRH.2.02.1305011512430.26986@server1.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <CAD39dTbFwUeatqea0Hex_s9VWhHxN_-CU+WVR5v55ubjbGKLWQ@mail.gmail.com>

The U-verse front end is M$ Mediaroom but that product is being sold to
Ericsson,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT%26T_U-verse


On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Jay Nugent <jjn at nuge.com> wrote:

> Greetings,
>
>
> On Wed, 1 May 2013, R KANNAN wrote:
>
>  All,
>>
>> I am giving a short intro presentation on Linux to my department staff
>> (mostly windows users in IT). I am planning to add a slide which says...
>>
>> Grep Tuxworthy says "You might already be using Linux if.."
>>
>> You are using Android smart phones (Android uses a modified Linux Kernel)
>> You are accessing internet web sites(Over 85% of web servers run on some
>> form of Linux)
>> You are TiVOing TV programs for watching later
>> You .....
>>
>>
>    o Watch any animated movie produced by Pixar.  The rendering is done on
>      a farm of Linux machines.  Titanic, Shreck, etc...
>
>    o Use the Google search engine.  Presume Google Docs and Gmail use
>      Linux, as well.
>
>    o Call any small businesses that us the VoIP PBX "Asterisk".
>
>    o Use a WRT54GL WiFi access point.  "L" for Linux, though most if not
>      all of their other models are Linux under the hood.
>
>    o AT&T U-verse DVR is Linux.
>
>    ...and the list goes on...
>
>
>    "In a world without fences, who needs Gates?!?!?!"
>
>       --- Jay
>
>         () ascii ribbon campaign in
>         /\ support of plain text e-mail
>
>   Averaging at least 3 days of MTBWTF!?!?!?
>  The solution for long term Internet growth is IPv6.
> +-----------------------------**------------------------------**
> -------------+
> | Jay Nugent   jjn at nuge.com    (734)484-5105    (734)649-0850/Cell       |
> |   Nugent Telecommunications  [www.nuge.com]                            |
> |   Internet Consulting/Linux SysAdmin/Engineering & Design              |
> | ISP Monitoring [www.ispmonitor.org] ISP & Modem Performance Monitoring |
> +-----------------------------**------------------------------**
> -------------+
>  15:01:01 up 286 days, 22 min,  3 users,  load average: 0.31, 0.33, 0.49
>
> ______________________________**_________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/**listinfo/mdlug<http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug>
>

From billings at negate.org  Thu May  2 09:20:53 2013
From: billings at negate.org (Jonathan Billings)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 09:20:53 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Grep Tuxworthy says..
In-Reply-To: <CABX2cSFf1jx5Wp9JC4uRYqs1mPy4qt2A5u3vbiz6G-yWveT-nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABX2cSFf1jx5Wp9JC4uRYqs1mPy4qt2A5u3vbiz6G-yWveT-nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130502132052.GA24033@caen-tethys.engin.umich.edu>

On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 01:57:08PM -0400, R KANNAN wrote:
> Any other comments are welcome as well.

A lot of Motorola cable devices are running a Linux kernel, although
quite often a 2.2-era kernel.

-- 
Jonathan Billings <billings at negate.org>

From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Thu May  2 05:25:51 2013
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Thu, 02 May 2013 05:25:51 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Grep Tuxworthy says..
In-Reply-To: <CAD39dTYVBwb8ha11PiYNDJXuQJVwwGyZS_3us1dJSJ4Gieqd5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABX2cSFf1jx5Wp9JC4uRYqs1mPy4qt2A5u3vbiz6G-yWveT-nw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD39dTYVBwb8ha11PiYNDJXuQJVwwGyZS_3us1dJSJ4Gieqd5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5182311F.7000107@gmail.com>

Jeff Hanson wrote:
> I'm not sure about the 85% statement.  It's not just Linux-based OS but
> many Unix-like OS also.  OS X is Unix-like and shares some code including
> printer drivers, X.org, and the WebKit browser engine.


OS-X *IS* Unix (BSD Unix) with a MAC-OS-like GUI wrapped around it.

BSD Unix started out as ATT&T System 7 Unix, but over time, all of
the AT&T code replaced.

>
> Most super computers use Linux.
>
> Some automotive entertainment systems.
>
>
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:57 PM, R KANNAN <rk111810 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> I am giving a short intro presentation on Linux to my department staff
>> (mostly windows users in IT). I am planning to add a slide which says...
>>
>> Grep Tuxworthy says "You might already be using Linux if.."
>>
>> You are using Android smart phones (Android uses a modified Linux Kernel)
>> You are accessing internet web sites(Over 85% of web servers run on some
>> form of Linux)
>> You are TiVOing TV programs for watching later
>> You .....
>>
>>
>> Please correct (I don't want to overstate Linux market share or make
>> misstatements) or add more.
>>
>> Any other comments are welcome as well.
>>
>> Thanks
>> _______________________________________________
>> mdlug mailing list
>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>


From billings at negate.org  Thu May  2 09:44:50 2013
From: billings at negate.org (Jonathan Billings)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 09:44:50 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Grep Tuxworthy says..
In-Reply-To: <5182311F.7000107@gmail.com>
References: <CABX2cSFf1jx5Wp9JC4uRYqs1mPy4qt2A5u3vbiz6G-yWveT-nw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD39dTYVBwb8ha11PiYNDJXuQJVwwGyZS_3us1dJSJ4Gieqd5A@mail.gmail.com>
	<5182311F.7000107@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130502134450.GB24033@caen-tethys.engin.umich.edu>

On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 05:25:51AM -0400, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> OS-X *IS* Unix (BSD Unix) with a MAC-OS-like GUI wrapped around it.
> 
> BSD Unix started out as ATT&T System 7 Unix, but over time, all of
> the AT&T code replaced.

If you want to be exact about it, the reason why MacOSX is UNIX is
because Apple has obtained UNIX 03 certification for the latest
releases of the OS from the Austin Group, who maintain the Single UNIX
Specification (the collection of all the ISO, IEEE POSIX and Open
Group specifications).

-- 
Jonathan Billings <billings at negate.org>

From tony at bemushosting.com  Sat May 11 06:41:04 2013
From: tony at bemushosting.com (=?utf-8?B?dG9ueUBiZW11c2hvc3RpbmcuY29t?=)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 06:41:04 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] =?utf-8?q?May_meeting=2E__Today?=
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1368268861.1598.mdlug@mdlug.org>

I will not be at the meeting today.  If you have any questions for the treasurer please email me. If you need to give me anything please give it to the president, Mat Enders.




From gib at juno.com  Sat May 11 08:02:17 2013
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 12:02:17 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] May meeting. Today
Message-ID: <20130511.080217.31345.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com>

Okay, we still show the long presentation as Raspberry PI.  MUG will be doing Raspberry PI this month.  So, should we do Raspberry PI again today or change the web site?

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "tony at bemushosting.com" <tony at bemushosting.com>
To: "MDLUG's discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] May meeting. Today
Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 06:41:04 -0400

I will not be at the meeting today.  If you have any questions for the treasurer please email me. If you need to give me anything please give it to the president, Mat Enders.



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From mat.enders at gmail.com  Sat May 11 08:19:44 2013
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (Mat Enders)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 08:19:44 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] May meeting. Today
In-Reply-To: <20130511.080217.31345.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20130511.080217.31345.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <CAO+61WitnvX5jaWAz3_oYB5qJDyCf78Mv8VDtt29vyNWfaziWg@mail.gmail.com>

We were never planing on doing the PI again the website is just out of date.


On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 8:02 AM, gib at juno.com <gib at juno.com> wrote:

> Okay, we still show the long presentation as Raspberry PI.  MUG will be
> doing Raspberry PI this month.  So, should we do Raspberry PI again today
> or change the web site?
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "tony at bemushosting.com" <tony at bemushosting.com>
> To: "MDLUG's discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: [mdlug] May meeting. Today
> Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 06:41:04 -0400
>
> I will not be at the meeting today.  If you have any questions for the
> treasurer please email me. If you need to give me anything please give it
> to the president, Mat Enders.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> Woman is 60 But Looks 25
> Mom publishes simple facelift trick that angered doctors...
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/518e339c40b59339c609est04vuc
> _______________________________________________
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>



-- 
Mathew E. Enders

"Where once Samba and Apache sold Linux to the world they are now just part
of the plumbing.  But that's OK, plumbers make good money."
--Jeremy Allison

From gib at juno.com  Sat May 11 18:01:21 2013
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 22:01:21 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] video of presentation by Sharan Kalwani - Big Data
Message-ID: <20130511.180121.22378.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-4I7SLzBoc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x72xUGlTtVs


Please note: message attached

From: mike bader <mdbader at wowway.com>
To: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
Subject: video of presentation by Sharan Kalwani
Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 16:36:34 -0400


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From gib at juno.com  Fri May 17 08:06:27 2013
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 12:06:27 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Fw: [Discuss] job posting
Message-ID: <20130517.080627.6905.2@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>

FYI

Please note: forwarded message attached

From: Derrick Hendricks <derrick.hendricks at nuspire.com>
To: "discuss at mug.org" <discuss at mug.org>
Subject: [Discuss] job posting
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 18:58:40 +0000

Please excuse me if this is not the correct place to post this&hellip; The company I work for (Nuspire) is a network security company based in Commerce, MI.  We currently have a position for an entry level Linux developer.  If anyone has interest in this position, your contact would be david[dot]bale[at]nuspire[dot]com. The candidate should have approximately 3-5 years of programming experience in a Linux/Unix environment.  A detailed list of experience is as follows: Linux Developer (entry level): Position Requirements:Candidate should be proficient in the following:- 2-5 years&rsquo; experience programming UNIX shell scripts (bash, sh, ksh, etc.)- 1-3 years&rsquo; experience programming in Python- 1-3 years' experience programming C/C++- 3-5 years&rsquo; working in a Linux environment- Working knowledge of best security practices regarding the Linux OS- Working knowledge of the similarities and differences between Linux and FreeBSD- Ability to clearly communicate (written and verbal) in English- Ability to work in a structured team environment on multiple concurrent tasks with minimal supervision- Strong work ethic with a thirst for learning new technology and techniques Bonus skill sets:- Linux/Unix administration experience is desired- Experience programming in PHP- Experience in automating processes using Expect- Experience in socket coding- Knowledge or experience in threaded programming methodology and practices- Relational database experience (MySQL, PostgreSQL, MS-SQL, etc.)- x86 based embedded Linux distributions Work conditions:- Must be able to work with others to design the correct solution and meet customer's goals.- Must be self-motivated- Nuspire is an Equal Opportunity Employer.- Benefits may include health, dental, 401k, paid time off, holiday pay, etc. . .
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From gib at juno.com  Fri May 17 08:10:04 2013
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 12:10:04 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Fw: Modis - New Opportunities
Message-ID: <20130517.081004.6905.3@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>

FYI

Please note: forwarded message attached

From: "Verderbar, Jill" <Jill.Verderbar at modis.com>
To: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
Subject: Modis - New Opportunities
Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 16:05:17 -0400

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From skyefire at skyefire.org  Fri May 24 12:35:02 2013
From: skyefire at skyefire.org (David McMillan)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 12:35:02 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
Message-ID: <519F96B6.9050701@skyefire.org>


     I have a new side-project assignment from my bosses (for, you know, 
my copious amounts of spare time).  We have a high-res *analog* video 
camera (NTSC video for the composite input on a TV) left over from 
another project, and we're about to enter a serious build phase for the 
new project.  The bosses want me to connect this camera to a computer 
and capture periodic images that can be stitched together later into a 
time-lapse video of the construction.

     Now, I've done time-lapse before, using images taken using a hacked 
Canon Powershot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbDwl8Dh1kk), but I've 
never done analog-video framegrabbing with Linux before. So, here's 
where I'm looking for advice:
1:  video capture hardware.  Has to have a Composite (not component!) 
input.  Since I'll probably have to make do with whatever computer I 
find lying about unused, needs to use USB. Frame *rate* isn't vital, but 
image quality is
2:  capture software:  My current thought is that I can probably use 
motion, with motion-triggered capture, to avoid taking tons of useless 
photos at night and during lunch.  But I'm wide open to advice on this.
3:  "Stitching":  I did that YouTube video using mencoder, but it was a 
bit crude.



From lberns1 at yahoo.com  Fri May 24 12:58:52 2013
From: lberns1 at yahoo.com (E. Dean Sahutske)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 09:58:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] [OT] - Job posting
In-Reply-To: <519F96B6.9050701@skyefire.org>
References: <519F96B6.9050701@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <1369414732.36370.YahooMailNeo@web124505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

We have a Senior level admin position open where I work. Some of the skills we are looking for:

Unix/Linux - Redhat/Suse/AIX
IBM Filenet P8

Kofax

Windows 2003/2008
Nagios

Location - Troy, MI

Anyone interested, please feel free to contact me offlist

dean
lberns1 at yahoo.com

From z_mikowski at yahoo.com  Fri May 24 13:39:48 2013
From: z_mikowski at yahoo.com (Michael Mikowski)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 10:39:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
In-Reply-To: <519F96B6.9050701@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <1369417188.7985.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web120106.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

David, this isn't intended to be a comprehensive answer.? But honestly, an NTSC analog camera?? That's what, 0.3 megapixels? The cost for a quality digital surveillance camera is maybe $200.? That seems like a real easy number to justify given the opportunities and saved labor.?? And if you need to buy a video capture board, you might actually come out money ahead.

I strongly recommend investigating the video surveillance industry. I installed a surveillance camera and microphone last year and it was a great learning experience. They have very interesting led-lit 24 hour cameras.? There is also an excellent Linux based surveillance package that may provide a great deal of the capability you are looking for. I don't recall the name but I do recall researching it last year and actually had downloaded the packages.

I recommend Jason from http://www.cu1.com .? He was enormously helpful when we set up our system.

I hope this is helpful - good luck to you.

Cheers, Mike

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From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Fri May 24 13:41:42 2013
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 13:41:42 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
In-Reply-To: <519F96B6.9050701@skyefire.org>
References: <519F96B6.9050701@skyefire.org>
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I have a Plextor ConvertX that is USB and hardware compression.  But
the Linux driver was flaky at best and it was a real pain to get
anything out of it.

From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Fri May 24 14:00:28 2013
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 18:00:28 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
In-Reply-To: <519F96B6.9050701@skyefire.org>
References: <519F96B6.9050701@skyefire.org>
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> From: David McMillan

> 2:  capture software:  My current thought is that I can probably use motion, with motion-triggered capture, to avoid taking tons of useless photos at night and during lunch.  But I'm wide open to advice on this.

I have a little webcam in my cube that uses 'motion' when I'm away (some petty thefts a while ago). Motion works pretty well, but note that passing clouds can change the image enough to trigger recording. When I come in from the weekend I have anywhere from three to thirty little movies.

> 3:  "Stitching":  I did that YouTube video using mencoder, but it was a bit crude.

Motion can output video in various formats, too.


From rk111810 at gmail.com  Fri May 24 15:10:23 2013
From: rk111810 at gmail.com (R KANNAN)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 15:10:23 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
In-Reply-To: <519F96B6.9050701@skyefire.org>
References: <519F96B6.9050701@skyefire.org>
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I have had good luck with Video Capturing from an analog VHS tapes using..
Hauppauge 610 USB-Live 2 Analog Video Digitizer and Video Capture Device
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036VO2BI/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I was using it with VLC Viewer to capture frames.

On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:35 PM, David McMillan <skyefire at skyefire.org>wrote:

>
>     I have a new side-project assignment from my bosses (for, you know, my
> copious amounts of spare time).  We have a high-res *analog* video camera
> (NTSC video for the composite input on a TV) left over from another
> project, and we're about to enter a serious build phase for the new
> project.  The bosses want me to connect this camera to a computer and
> capture periodic images that can be stitched together later into a
> time-lapse video of the construction.
>
>     Now, I've done time-lapse before, using images taken using a hacked
> Canon Powershot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=pbDwl8Dh1kk<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbDwl8Dh1kk>),
> but I've never done analog-video framegrabbing with Linux before. So,
> here's where I'm looking for advice:
> 1:  video capture hardware.  Has to have a Composite (not component!)
> input.  Since I'll probably have to make do with whatever computer I find
> lying about unused, needs to use USB. Frame *rate* isn't vital, but image
> quality is
> 2:  capture software:  My current thought is that I can probably use
> motion, with motion-triggered capture, to avoid taking tons of useless
> photos at night and during lunch.  But I'm wide open to advice on this.
> 3:  "Stitching":  I did that YouTube video using mencoder, but it was a
> bit crude.
>
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From gib at juno.com  Fri May 24 17:04:48 2013
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 21:04:48 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
Message-ID: <20130524.170448.20951.2@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>

You can get a USB web cam from "Microcenter.com" (SouthEast corner of I75 and 14 Mile) for under $10.  Linux has no problem with these cheap cameras.  

If you can come to the next MDLUB meeting (June 8) I'll let you borrow one. Just let me know. 

I've used "Cheese" to record video from one of the cheap USB web cams. It doesn't have any motion detection options.  I suppose you could buy (Microcenter again) a $60 terabyte disk drive to store video recorded continuously. But no guarantee this would work.

I don't know anything about software for video capture but I did a search and found this:
http://www.brighthub.com/multimedia/video/articles/119249.aspx

NVRec

Another useful video capture software that is specifically designed for the Linux OS is NVrec. It captures video from several usb webcams and TV tuners that are compatible with V4L1 or V4L2 (Video4Linus programming interface). The software captures audio from several sources including OSS and ALSA. This is strictly a video recorder that outputs in several formats including Quicktime files, AVI, NuppelVideo format, and MPEG-1. One of the main advantages of this software is the audio stretcher feature which inserts the right amount of audio into a file to cover any lag between the audio and video cards.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: David McMillan <skyefire at skyefire.org>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 12:35:02 -0400



     I have a new side-project assignment from my bosses (for, you know, 
my copious amounts of spare time).  We have a high-res *analog* video 
camera (NTSC video for the composite input on a TV) left over from 
another project, and we're about to enter a serious build phase for the 
new project.  The bosses want me to connect this camera to a computer 
and capture periodic images that can be stitched together later into a 
time-lapse video of the construction.

     Now, I've done time-lapse before, using images taken using a hacked 
Canon Powershot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbDwl8Dh1kk), but I've 
never done analog-video framegrabbing with Linux before. So, here's 
where I'm looking for advice:
1:  video capture hardware.  Has to have a Composite (not component!) 
input.  Since I'll probably have to make do with whatever computer I 
find lying about unused, needs to use USB. Frame *rate* isn't vital, but 
image quality is
2:  capture software:  My current thought is that I can probably use 
motion, with motion-triggered capture, to avoid taking tons of useless 
photos at night and during lunch.  But I'm wide open to advice on this.
3:  "Stitching":  I did that YouTube video using mencoder, but it was a 
bit crude.


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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Sat May 25 02:27:35 2013
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 02:27:35 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
In-Reply-To: <519F96B6.9050701@skyefire.org>
References: <519F96B6.9050701@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <51A059D7.5010003@gmail.com>

David McMillan wrote:
>
>      I have a new side-project assignment from my bosses (for, you know, my copious amounts of spare time).  We have a high-res *analog* video camera (NTSC video for the composite input on a TV) left over from another project, and we're about to
> enter a serious build phase for the new project.  The bosses want me to connect this camera to a computer and capture periodic images that can be stitched together later into a time-lapse video of the construction.
>
>      Now, I've done time-lapse before, using images taken using a hacked Canon Powershot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbDwl8Dh1kk), but I've never done analog-video framegrabbing with Linux before. So, here's where I'm looking for advice:
> 1:  video capture hardware.  Has to have a Composite (not component!) input.  Since I'll probably have to make do with whatever computer I find lying about unused, needs to use USB. Frame *rate* isn't vital, but image quality is
> 2:  capture software:  My current thought is that I can probably use motion, with motion-triggered capture, to avoid taking tons of useless photos at night and during lunch.  But I'm wide open to advice on this.
> 3:  "Stitching":  I did that YouTube video using mencoder, but it was a bit crude.
>

It's FAR less cost to buy a digital USB webcam than to buy an analog -> digital converter,
let alone trying to find non-Windows-only software to actually process the output from it.


From z_mikowski at yahoo.com  Sat May 25 02:50:26 2013
From: z_mikowski at yahoo.com (Michael Mikowski)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 23:50:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
In-Reply-To: <51A059D7.5010003@gmail.com>
References: <519F96B6.9050701@skyefire.org> <51A059D7.5010003@gmail.com>
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Thanks Aaron, that was my guess too (see my earlier post). ?A digital cam would also reduce complexity and improve reliability.

David:

ZoneMinder is the Linux software I was thinking of earlier. ?Google it for details. ?I don't know if I'd trust the Reds, but they claim to support Linux:?http://felenasoft.com/xeoma/en/

Here is a link to high-def bullet cameras:?http://www.cu1.com/ipbullets.html. ?These usually plugin (or transmit wirelessly) to a base and can be set to take snapshots at regular intervals (say once per minute). ?The one we have is wireless. ?I looked at hooking it up to my Linux box, but never had a compelling reason - I just dropped the SD card into my reader every few weeks to do a backup.

I know these all cost money, but they might very well be the least expensive option in the end. ?To Aaron's point, here is a nice analog video capture card:?http://www.fullcompass.com/product/377093.html?utm_source=googleps&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=googleps&gclid=CLyKx-LUsLcCFaU5QgodxTgACg. ?That cost is at least comparable to good HD digital cam.

Cheers, Mike


________________________________
 From: Aaron Kulkis <akulkis00 at gmail.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org> 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
 

David McMillan wrote:
>
>? ? ? I have a new side-project assignment from my bosses (for, you know, my copious amounts of spare time).? We have a high-res *analog* video camera (NTSC video for the composite input on a TV) left over from another project, and we're about to
> enter a serious build phase for the new project.? The bosses want me to connect this camera to a computer and capture periodic images that can be stitched together later into a time-lapse video of the construction.
>
>? ? ? Now, I've done time-lapse before, using images taken using a hacked Canon Powershot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbDwl8Dh1kk), but I've never done analog-video framegrabbing with Linux before. So, here's where I'm looking for advice:
> 1:? video capture hardware.? Has to have a Composite (not component!) input.? Since I'll probably have to make do with whatever computer I find lying about unused, needs to use USB. Frame *rate* isn't vital, but image quality is
> 2:? capture software:? My current thought is that I can probably use motion, with motion-triggered capture, to avoid taking tons of useless photos at night and during lunch.? But I'm wide open to advice on this.
> 3:? "Stitching":? I did that YouTube video using mencoder, but it was a bit crude.
>

It's FAR less cost to buy a digital USB webcam than to buy an analog -> digital converter,
let alone trying to find non-Windows-only software to actually process the output from it.

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From z_mikowski at yahoo.com  Sat May 25 03:01:29 2013
From: z_mikowski at yahoo.com (Michael Mikowski)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 00:01:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
In-Reply-To: <1369464626.41113.YahooMailNeo@web120103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <519F96B6.9050701@skyefire.org> <51A059D7.5010003@gmail.com>
	<1369464626.41113.YahooMailNeo@web120103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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This looks even better at $60:?http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104469. ?I even added it to my wish list.

And apparently it works beautifully out of the box with Linux (see?http://askubuntu.com/questions/63892/is-logitech-hd-webcam-c615-supported).

Alright, back to work. ?Good luck David.

Cheers, Mike


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 From: Michael Mikowski <z_mikowski at yahoo.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org> 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
 

Thanks Aaron, that was my guess too (see my earlier post). ?A digital cam would also reduce complexity and improve reliability.

David:

ZoneMinder is the Linux software I was thinking of earlier. ?Google it for details. ?I don't know if I'd trust the Reds, but they claim to support Linux:?http://felenasoft.com/xeoma/en/

Here is a link to high-def bullet cameras:?http://www.cu1.com/ipbullets.html. ?These usually plugin (or transmit wirelessly) to a base and can be set to take snapshots at regular intervals (say once per minute). ?The one we have is wireless. ?I looked at hooking it up to my Linux box, but never had a compelling reason - I just dropped the SD card into my reader every few weeks to do a backup.

I know these all cost money, but they might very well be the least expensive option in the end. ?To Aaron's point, here is a nice analog video capture card:?http://www.fullcompass.com/product/377093.html?utm_source=googleps&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=googleps&gclid=CLyKx-LUsLcCFaU5QgodxTgACg. ?That cost is at least comparable to good HD digital cam.

Cheers, Mike


________________________________
From: Aaron Kulkis <akulkis00 at gmail.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org> 
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?


David McMillan wrote:
>
>? ? ? I have a new side-project assignment from my bosses (for, you know, my copious amounts of spare time).? We have a high-res *analog* video camera (NTSC video for the composite input on a TV) left over from another project, and we're about to
> enter a serious build phase for the new project.? The bosses want me to connect this camera to a computer and capture periodic images that can be stitched together later into a time-lapse video of the construction.
>
>? ? ? Now, I've done time-lapse before, using images taken using a hacked Canon Powershot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbDwl8Dh1kk), but I've never done analog-video framegrabbing with Linux before. So, here's where I'm looking for advice:
> 1:? video capture hardware.? Has to have a Composite (not component!) input.? Since I'll probably have to make do with whatever computer I find lying about unused, needs to use USB. Frame *rate* isn't vital, but image quality is
> 2:? capture software:? My current thought is that I can probably use motion, with motion-triggered capture, to avoid taking tons of useless photos at night and during lunch.? But I'm wide open to advice on this.
> 3:? "Stitching":? I did that YouTube video using mencoder, but it was a bit crude.
>

It's FAR less cost to buy a digital USB webcam than to buy an analog -> digital converter,
let alone trying to find non-Windows-only software to actually process the output from it.

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From mdlug at meta-dynamic.com  Sun May 26 09:25:46 2013
From: mdlug at meta-dynamic.com (David F)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 09:25:46 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
In-Reply-To: <1369464626.41113.YahooMailNeo@web120103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <519F96B6.9050701@skyefire.org> <51A059D7.5010003@gmail.com>
	<1369464626.41113.YahooMailNeo@web120103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <51A20D5A.7000304@meta-dynamic.com>

On 05/25/2013 02:50 AM, Michael Mikowski wrote:
> Thanks Aaron, that was my guess too (see my earlier post).  A digital cam would also reduce complexity and improve reliability.

In some cases I would agree, but be careful -- it depends on the application 
(which the OP didn't really specify).  Cheap USB web-cams sometimes don't 
have good temporal resolution (i.e. low exposure time, avoiding 
motion-blur): they're typically intended for video web-chat where the 
subject doesn't move much or fast.  In some cases, a decent NTSC analog 
might do better (and capture cards can be had for cheap [1]); or the hacked 
point-and-shoot will deliver much higher-quality images.  Also, if the 
camera cannot be physically close to the host system, you will have some 
problem-solving to do regarding the maximum length of the USB spec.

I think the typical "IP camera" is a camera (lens+sensor) attached to a 
small SoC (possibly running Linux); the quality of the camera will determine 
the quality of the images, and obviously IP can travel arbitrary distances. 
  If you don't want to deploy a PC-style system at the location of the 
camera, something similar (possibly better) could be created by the hobbiest 
using a USB-cam and a Rasberry Pi, home router with USB port and OpenWRT 
burned, etc., which could then communicate over IP, overcoming the distance 
issue and placing much (or all) of the intelligence and/or storage on-board 
the embedded system; but the cost and hassle might add up quickly to make a 
manufactured IP camera an easier solution, if less customizable.

For image capture on a Linux system, most software (e.g. motion, mentioned 
by the OP), whether for USB cams or analog-to-digital cards, is built on top 
of video4linux (V4L2) [2].  Depending on the application, for a more elegant 
solution than a script that runs a CLI like motion and then mucks with 
dumped image files, choose any scripting language with bindings to V4L2 (or 
just use C/C++) and make the captures yourself, then process as desired. 
Furthermore, mencoder (mentioned by the OP who called it "crude," though I'd 
like to see that defined, don't understand what he meant) can capture 
directly from V4L2, or can be used to encode video from multiple still image 
files.

-- David

[1]: E.g. newegg has this one for $17.99 including shipping, which works 
with Linux:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812156023
NB: it's just the first one I found, not an endorsement, search for others 
if serious about purchasing and check for compatibility with V4L2 at:
http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardware_Device_Information

[2]: http://linuxtv.org/


From z_mikowski at yahoo.com  Sun May 26 12:34:10 2013
From: z_mikowski at yahoo.com (Michael Mikowski)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 09:34:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
In-Reply-To: <51A20D5A.7000304@meta-dynamic.com>
References: <519F96B6.9050701@skyefire.org> <51A059D7.5010003@gmail.com>
	<1369464626.41113.YahooMailNeo@web120103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<51A20D5A.7000304@meta-dynamic.com>
Message-ID: <1369586050.62024.YahooMailNeo@web120103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

One doesn't need to just use a low-cost video cam for shooting. ?Tethered mode on higher quality cameras can be set up for a very reasonable cost. ?Instead of spending $20-ish on low quality AD converter, one could buy a much higher quality camera with USB for around $150 and tether it.?

Here is an informative article about tethered shooting?along with a nice example video. What is great is that one can use off-the-shelf cameras and software and can auto adjust exposure.

Does this look like what you want? ?This was done using Linux and a Nikon D70, it appears. ?Here is an example using a D90.

gphoto2 and entangle look like good packages to start. ?Here is a nice page on gphoto2. ?It provides a list of supported cameras (Canon, Nikon, Olympus)

My guess is you can put together a very high-quality 16MP tethered system for as little as $150 with the Cannon SX160?or similar.? Maybe that is out of budget, but given the amount of saved labor, something like this may be the most cost effective and highest quality solution. ?One important point - which I have not investigated - is you probably would want to ensure the camera has an AC power adaptor because battery power would probably be unacceptable.

Just some thoughts. ?I hope this is useful. ?And if you do go this route, please share!

Cheers, Mike



________________________________
 From: David F <mdlug at meta-dynamic.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
 

On 05/25/2013 02:50 AM, Michael Mikowski wrote:
> Thanks Aaron, that was my guess too (see my earlier post).? A digital cam would also reduce complexity and improve reliability.

In some cases I would agree, but be careful -- it depends on the application 
(which the OP didn't really specify).? Cheap USB web-cams sometimes don't 
have good temporal resolution (i.e. low exposure time, avoiding 
motion-blur): they're typically intended for video web-chat where the 
subject doesn't move much or fast.? In some cases, a decent NTSC analog 
might do better (and capture cards can be had for cheap [1]); or the hacked 
point-and-shoot will deliver much higher-quality images.? Also, if the 
camera cannot be physically close to the host system, you will have some 
problem-solving to do regarding the maximum length of the USB spec.

I think the typical "IP camera" is a camera (lens+sensor) attached to a 
small SoC (possibly running Linux); the quality of the camera will determine 
the quality of the images, and obviously IP can travel arbitrary distances. 
? If you don't want to deploy a PC-style system at the location of the 
camera, something similar (possibly better) could be created by the hobbiest 
using a USB-cam and a Rasberry Pi, home router with USB port and OpenWRT 
burned, etc., which could then communicate over IP, overcoming the distance 
issue and placing much (or all) of the intelligence and/or storage on-board 
the embedded system; but the cost and hassle might add up quickly to make a 
manufactured IP camera an easier solution, if less customizable.

For image capture on a Linux system, most software (e.g. motion, mentioned 
by the OP), whether for USB cams or analog-to-digital cards, is built on top 
of video4linux (V4L2) [2].? Depending on the application, for a more elegant 
solution than a script that runs a CLI like motion and then mucks with 
dumped image files, choose any scripting language with bindings to V4L2 (or 
just use C/C++) and make the captures yourself, then process as desired. 
Furthermore, mencoder (mentioned by the OP who called it "crude," though I'd 
like to see that defined, don't understand what he meant) can capture 
directly from V4L2, or can be used to encode video from multiple still image 
files.

-- David

[1]: E.g. newegg has this one for $17.99 including shipping, which works 
with Linux:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812156023
NB: it's just the first one I found, not an endorsement, search for others 
if serious about purchasing and check for compatibility with V4L2 at:
http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardware_Device_Information

[2]: http://linuxtv.org/

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From gib at juno.com  Sun May 26 12:36:18 2013
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 16:36:18 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Windows virus - AutoCAD files
Message-ID: <20130526.123618.5188.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com>

I have a buddy who said his laptop got a virus.  He wants to recover his AutoCAD files.  I provided some information about linux fixes for Windows virus issues and AutoCAD software. I just wonder if we have anyone who would be willing to help him.  He is on the East side; I75 and Gratiot is the location of his shop.
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From z_mikowski at yahoo.com  Sun May 26 15:03:58 2013
From: z_mikowski at yahoo.com (Michael Mikowski)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 12:03:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
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Remind me again why I use Yahoo mail?

It appears all my links were stripped from my post. ?So here they are in-line:

One doesn't need to just use a low-cost video cam for shooting. ?Tethered mode on higher quality cameras can be set up for a very reasonable cost. ?Instead of spending $20-ish on low quality AD converter, one could buy a much higher quality camera with USB for around $150 and tether it.?

Here is an informative article [http://www.ubuntuphotographer.com/2012/08/tethered-shooting-ubuntu/] about tethered shooting?along with a nice example video. What is great is that one can use off-the-shelf cameras and software and can auto adjust exposure.

Does this look like what you want [http://vimeo.com/47677796]? ?This was done using Linux and a Nikon D70, it appears. ?Here is an example using a Nikon D90 [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ui9Ie8HaMk].

gphoto2 and entangle [http://entangle-photo.org/] look like good packages to start. ?Here is a nice page on gphoto2 [http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/gphoto/index.php?title=Capture_examples]. ?It provides a list of supported cameras (Canon, Nikon, Olympus) [http://gphoto.org/doc/remote/].

My guess is you can put together a very high-quality 16MP tethered system for as little as $150 ("see price in cart") with the Cannon SX160 [http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=30-120-634&ParentOnly=1&IsVirtualParent=1] or similar.? Maybe that is out of budget, but given the amount of saved labor, something like this may be the most cost effective and highest quality solution. ?One important point - which I have not investigated - is you probably would want to ensure the camera has an AC power adaptor because battery drain for an always-on camera would probably be unacceptable.

Just some thoughts. ?I hope this is useful. ?And if you do go this route, please share!

Cheers, Mike




________________________________
 From: Michael Mikowski <z_mikowski at yahoo.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org> 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
 

One doesn't need to just use a low-cost video cam for shooting. ?Tethered mode on higher quality cameras can be set up for a very reasonable cost. ?Instead of spending $20-ish on low quality AD converter, one could buy a much higher quality camera with USB for around $150 and tether it.?

Here is an informative article about tethered shooting?along with a nice example video. What is great is that one can use off-the-shelf cameras and software and can auto adjust exposure.

Does this look like what you want? ?This was done using Linux and a Nikon D70, it appears. ?Here is an example using a D90.

gphoto2 and entangle look like good packages to start. ?Here is a nice page on gphoto2. ?It provides a list of supported cameras (Canon, Nikon, Olympus)

My guess is you can put together a very high-quality 16MP tethered system for as little as $150 with the Cannon SX160?or similar.? Maybe that is out of budget, but given the amount of saved labor, something like this may be the most cost effective and highest quality solution. ?One important point - which I have not investigated - is you probably would want to ensure the camera has an AC power adaptor because battery power would probably be unacceptable.

Just some thoughts. ?I hope this is useful. ?And if you do go this route, please share!

Cheers, Mike



________________________________
From: David F <mdlug at meta-dynamic.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?


On 05/25/2013 02:50 AM, Michael Mikowski wrote:
> Thanks Aaron, that was my guess too (see my earlier post).? A digital cam would also reduce complexity and improve reliability.

In some cases I would agree, but be careful -- it depends on the application 
(which the OP didn't really specify).? Cheap USB web-cams sometimes don't 
have good temporal resolution (i.e. low exposure time, avoiding 
motion-blur): they're typically intended for video web-chat where the 
subject doesn't move much or fast.? In some cases, a decent NTSC analog 
might do better (and capture cards can be had for cheap [1]); or the hacked 
point-and-shoot will deliver much higher-quality images.? Also, if the 
camera cannot be physically close to the host system, you will have some 
problem-solving to do regarding the maximum length of the USB spec.

I think the typical "IP camera" is a camera (lens+sensor) attached to a 
small SoC (possibly running Linux); the quality of the camera will determine 
the quality of the images, and obviously IP can travel arbitrary distances. 
? If you don't want to deploy a PC-style system at the location of the 
camera, something similar (possibly better) could be created by the hobbiest 
using a USB-cam and a Rasberry Pi, home router with USB port and OpenWRT 
burned, etc., which could then communicate over IP, overcoming the distance 
issue and placing much (or all) of the intelligence and/or storage on-board 
the embedded system; but the cost and hassle might add up quickly to make a 
manufactured IP camera an easier solution, if less customizable.

For image capture on a Linux system, most software (e.g. motion, mentioned 
by the OP), whether for USB cams or analog-to-digital cards, is built on top 
of video4linux (V4L2) [2].? Depending on the application, for a more elegant 
solution than a script that runs a CLI like motion and then mucks with 
dumped image files, choose any scripting language with bindings to V4L2 (or 
just use C/C++) and make the captures yourself, then process as desired. 
Furthermore, mencoder (mentioned by the OP who called it "crude," though I'd 
like to see that defined, don't understand what he meant) can capture 
directly from V4L2, or can be used to encode video from multiple still image 
files.

-- David

[1]: E.g. newegg has this one for $17.99 including shipping, which works 
with Linux:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812156023
NB: it's just the first one I found, not an endorsement, search for others 
if serious about purchasing and check for compatibility with V4L2 at:
http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardware_Device_Information

[2]: http://linuxtv.org/

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From z_mikowski at yahoo.com  Sun May 26 15:03:58 2013
From: z_mikowski at yahoo.com (Michael Mikowski)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 12:03:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
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Remind me again why I use Yahoo mail?

It appears all my links were stripped from my post. ?So here they are in-line:

One doesn't need to just use a low-cost video cam for shooting. ?Tethered mode on higher quality cameras can be set up for a very reasonable cost. ?Instead of spending $20-ish on low quality AD converter, one could buy a much higher quality camera with USB for around $150 and tether it.?

Here is an informative article [http://www.ubuntuphotographer.com/2012/08/tethered-shooting-ubuntu/] about tethered shooting?along with a nice example video. What is great is that one can use off-the-shelf cameras and software and can auto adjust exposure.

Does this look like what you want [http://vimeo.com/47677796]? ?This was done using Linux and a Nikon D70, it appears. ?Here is an example using a Nikon D90 [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ui9Ie8HaMk].

gphoto2 and entangle [http://entangle-photo.org/] look like good packages to start. ?Here is a nice page on gphoto2 [http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/gphoto/index.php?title=Capture_examples]. ?It provides a list of supported cameras (Canon, Nikon, Olympus) [http://gphoto.org/doc/remote/].

My guess is you can put together a very high-quality 16MP tethered system for as little as $150 ("see price in cart") with the Cannon SX160 [http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=30-120-634&ParentOnly=1&IsVirtualParent=1] or similar.? Maybe that is out of budget, but given the amount of saved labor, something like this may be the most cost effective and highest quality solution. ?One important point - which I have not investigated - is you probably would want to ensure the camera has an AC power adaptor because battery drain for an always-on camera would probably be unacceptable.

Just some thoughts. ?I hope this is useful. ?And if you do go this route, please share!

Cheers, Mike




________________________________
 From: Michael Mikowski <z_mikowski at yahoo.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org> 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
 

One doesn't need to just use a low-cost video cam for shooting. ?Tethered mode on higher quality cameras can be set up for a very reasonable cost. ?Instead of spending $20-ish on low quality AD converter, one could buy a much higher quality camera with USB for around $150 and tether it.?

Here is an informative article about tethered shooting?along with a nice example video. What is great is that one can use off-the-shelf cameras and software and can auto adjust exposure.

Does this look like what you want? ?This was done using Linux and a Nikon D70, it appears. ?Here is an example using a D90.

gphoto2 and entangle look like good packages to start. ?Here is a nice page on gphoto2. ?It provides a list of supported cameras (Canon, Nikon, Olympus)

My guess is you can put together a very high-quality 16MP tethered system for as little as $150 with the Cannon SX160?or similar.? Maybe that is out of budget, but given the amount of saved labor, something like this may be the most cost effective and highest quality solution. ?One important point - which I have not investigated - is you probably would want to ensure the camera has an AC power adaptor because battery power would probably be unacceptable.

Just some thoughts. ?I hope this is useful. ?And if you do go this route, please share!

Cheers, Mike



________________________________
From: David F <mdlug at meta-dynamic.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?


On 05/25/2013 02:50 AM, Michael Mikowski wrote:
> Thanks Aaron, that was my guess too (see my earlier post).? A digital cam would also reduce complexity and improve reliability.

In some cases I would agree, but be careful -- it depends on the application 
(which the OP didn't really specify).? Cheap USB web-cams sometimes don't 
have good temporal resolution (i.e. low exposure time, avoiding 
motion-blur): they're typically intended for video web-chat where the 
subject doesn't move much or fast.? In some cases, a decent NTSC analog 
might do better (and capture cards can be had for cheap [1]); or the hacked 
point-and-shoot will deliver much higher-quality images.? Also, if the 
camera cannot be physically close to the host system, you will have some 
problem-solving to do regarding the maximum length of the USB spec.

I think the typical "IP camera" is a camera (lens+sensor) attached to a 
small SoC (possibly running Linux); the quality of the camera will determine 
the quality of the images, and obviously IP can travel arbitrary distances. 
? If you don't want to deploy a PC-style system at the location of the 
camera, something similar (possibly better) could be created by the hobbiest 
using a USB-cam and a Rasberry Pi, home router with USB port and OpenWRT 
burned, etc., which could then communicate over IP, overcoming the distance 
issue and placing much (or all) of the intelligence and/or storage on-board 
the embedded system; but the cost and hassle might add up quickly to make a 
manufactured IP camera an easier solution, if less customizable.

For image capture on a Linux system, most software (e.g. motion, mentioned 
by the OP), whether for USB cams or analog-to-digital cards, is built on top 
of video4linux (V4L2) [2].? Depending on the application, for a more elegant 
solution than a script that runs a CLI like motion and then mucks with 
dumped image files, choose any scripting language with bindings to V4L2 (or 
just use C/C++) and make the captures yourself, then process as desired. 
Furthermore, mencoder (mentioned by the OP who called it "crude," though I'd 
like to see that defined, don't understand what he meant) can capture 
directly from V4L2, or can be used to encode video from multiple still image 
files.

-- David

[1]: E.g. newegg has this one for $17.99 including shipping, which works 
with Linux:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812156023
NB: it's just the first one I found, not an endorsement, search for others 
if serious about purchasing and check for compatibility with V4L2 at:
http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardware_Device_Information

[2]: http://linuxtv.org/

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From billings at negate.org  Sun May 26 17:10:21 2013
From: billings at negate.org (Jonathan Billings)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 17:10:21 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Plain text messages (Was: Best Linux rig for capturing
 frames from analog video?)
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On Sweetmorn, the 73rd of Discord, 3179 , Michael Mikowski said:
> Remind me again why I use Yahoo mail?
> 
> It appears all my links were stripped from my post. ?So here they
> are in-line: 

This probably isn't Yahoo's fault, but the fact that Mailman's default
setting is to convert HTML messages to plain-text messages (or to use
the plain-text part in multi-part messages) by default.

It's probably better to use in-line URLs with plain text anyway --
it's easier for MUAs to display the message and more trustworthy for
people to visit links.

--
Jonathan Billings <billings at negate.org>

From z_mikowski at yahoo.com  Sun May 26 17:23:32 2013
From: z_mikowski at yahoo.com (Michael Mikowski)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 14:23:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Plain text messages (Was: Best Linux rig for capturing
	frames from analog video?)
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Thanks Jonathan. ?

I thought this might be Mailman, but I don't recall having this issue with GMail. ?The behavior I have seen with Gmail implies it sends a plain text alternative with expanded links. ?But that may have simply been a different backend. ?In any event, no great loss, and I will certainly remember this in the future :)

Cheers, Mike



________________________________
 From: Jonathan Billings <billings at negate.org>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 2:10 PM
Subject: [mdlug] Plain text messages (Was: Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?)
 

On Sweetmorn, the 73rd of Discord, 3179 , Michael Mikowski said:
> Remind me again why I use Yahoo mail?
> 
> It appears all my links were stripped from my post. ?So here they
> are in-line: 

This probably isn't Yahoo's fault, but the fact that Mailman's default
setting is to convert HTML messages to plain-text messages (or to use
the plain-text part in multi-part messages) by default.

It's probably better to use in-line URLs with plain text anyway --
it's easier for MUAs to display the message and more trustworthy for
people to visit links.

--
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From skyefire at skyefire.org  Mon May 27 09:32:25 2013
From: skyefire at skyefire.org (David McMillan)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 09:32:25 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
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On 5/24/2013 1:39 PM, Michael Mikowski wrote:

> David, this isn't intended to be a comprehensive answer. But honestly, 
> an NTSC analog camera? That's what, 0.3 megapixels? The cost for a 
> quality digital surveillance camera is maybe $200. That seems like a 
> real easy number to justify given the opportunities and saved labor. 
> And if you need to buy a video capture board, you might actually come 
> out money ahead.
>

     Actually, this is a *very* expensive remote-controlled PTZ CCTV 
camera.  I actually had an "emergency" post about this maybe two months 
back b/c I needed to find such a camera *that day* locally. I would have 
preferred one of the Sony hi-res digicams, but there weren't any 
available in stock in the metro area.
     This camera is actually pretty good -- something like 780 TV lines, 
if I recall correctly, and full optical zoom.  It makes quite a nice 
image.  And, since it's what we already spent money on, I'm not getting 
*any* budget for another camera.  I just need to get its Composite NTSC 
input into a frame grabber to do some intervalometer captures.

From skyefire at skyefire.org  Mon May 27 09:37:02 2013
From: skyefire at skyefire.org (David McMillan)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 09:37:02 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
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On 5/24/2013 2:00 PM, Ingles, Raymond wrote:
>> From: David McMillan
>> 2:  capture software:  My current thought is that I can probably use motion, with motion-triggered capture, to avoid taking tons of useless photos at night and during lunch.  But I'm wide open to advice on this.
> I have a little webcam in my cube that uses 'motion' when I'm away (some petty thefts a while ago). Motion works pretty well, but note that passing clouds can change the image enough to trigger recording. When I come in from the weekend I have anywhere from three to thirty little movies.

     I *think* motion has a setting where you can set a minimum time 
delay between frame triggers, doesn't it?  I'm not too worried about a 
few extra frames here and there.  It's just that, if I go for a 
fixed-interval intervalometer, I'm going to have to hand-edit out 
12hrs/day of "off shift" footage.
     If there's a good way to post-process out too-similar frames during 
the "stitching" process, I could go that route.  It just seemed simpler 
to not grab them in the first place.

>
>> 3:  "Stitching":  I did that YouTube video using mencoder, but it was a bit crude.
> Motion can output video in various formats, too.

     Hmmm... that strikes me as a good way to get a very ugly time-lapse 
video in the end, though.  This will probably be pulling snaps for 
*weeks,* and eventually compiled into a long-term time-lapse video.

From skyefire at skyefire.org  Mon May 27 09:39:00 2013
From: skyefire at skyefire.org (David McMillan)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 09:39:00 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
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On 5/25/2013 2:27 AM, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> It's FAR less cost to buy a digital USB webcam than to buy an analog 
> -> digital converter,
> let alone trying to find non-Windows-only software to actually process 
> the output from it.

     Sorry, didn't make it explicit:  I already *have* the camera. It's 
a very expensive, high-end, PTZ NTSC camera.  Actually looks pretty good 
on a 60" plasma, even at high zoom.  And I'm not going to get any budget 
to buy another camera, especially after what we spent on this one.

From gib at juno.com  Mon May 27 09:52:46 2013
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 13:52:46 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Our web site needs to be updated with the new,
	new location. Also a to	pic.
Message-ID: <20130527.095246.20902.1@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>

Our web site needs to be updated with the new, new location. Also a topic.
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From gib at juno.com  Mon May 27 09:52:22 2013
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 13:52:22 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
Message-ID: <20130527.095222.20902.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>

There have been several posts on this topic.  Perhaps we cold ask one of you to do a presentation during our monthly meeting.  



---------- Original Message ----------
From: David McMillan <skyefire at skyefire.org>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 09:39:00 -0400

On 5/25/2013 2:27 AM, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> It's FAR less cost to buy a digital USB webcam than to buy an analog 
> -> digital converter,
> let alone trying to find non-Windows-only software to actually process 
> the output from it.

     Sorry, didn't make it explicit:  I already *have* the camera. It's 
a very expensive, high-end, PTZ NTSC camera.  Actually looks pretty good 
on a 60" plasma, even at high zoom.  And I'm not going to get any budget 
to buy another camera, especially after what we spent on this one.
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From z_mikowski at yahoo.com  Mon May 27 13:06:51 2013
From: z_mikowski at yahoo.com (Michael Mikowski)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 10:06:51 -0700
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
Message-ID: <fyt5if78t9qw878oclbcna0j.1369674411058@email.android.com>

The camera is a sunk cost. Would you rather work 20 hours on getting this to work or spend $150 and 2 hours for a superior solution?  By limiting yourself to a solution using the sunk-cost camera, you may be costing yourself a great deal more moving forward.

I typically see accountants make this kind of mistake.

Best of luck!


David McMillan <skyefire at skyefire.org> wrote:

>On 5/25/2013 2:27 AM, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>>
>> It's FAR less cost to buy a digital USB webcam than to buy an analog 
>> -> digital converter,
>> let alone trying to find non-Windows-only software to actually process 
>> the output from it.
>
>     Sorry, didn't make it explicit:  I already *have* the camera. It's 
>a very expensive, high-end, PTZ NTSC camera.  Actually looks pretty good 
>on a 60" plasma, even at high zoom.  And I'm not going to get any budget 
>to buy another camera, especially after what we spent on this one.
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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Mon May 27 15:32:40 2013
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 15:32:40 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
In-Reply-To: <fyt5if78t9qw878oclbcna0j.1369674411058@email.android.com>
References: <fyt5if78t9qw878oclbcna0j.1369674411058@email.android.com>
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Michael Mikowski wrote:
> The camera is a sunk cost. Would you rather work 20 hours on getting this to
 > work or spend $150 and 2 hours for a superior solution?  By limiting yourself
 > to a solution using the sunk-cost camera, you may be costing yourself a great
 > deal more moving forward.
>

The concept of a sunk cost seems to be one of the most elusive among people
who have the ability to understand it.

> I typically see accountants make this kind of mistake.
>

Which is why an accountant should never be allowed to become CEO of a manufacturing concern.

> Best of luck!
>
>
> David McMillan <skyefire at skyefire.org> wrote:
>
>> On 5/25/2013 2:27 AM, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>>>
>>> It's FAR less cost to buy a digital USB webcam than to buy an analog
>>> -> digital converter,
>>> let alone trying to find non-Windows-only software to actually process
>>> the output from it.
>>
>>      Sorry, didn't make it explicit:  I already *have* the camera. It's
>> a very expensive, high-end, PTZ NTSC camera.  Actually looks pretty good
>> on a 60" plasma, even at high zoom.  And I'm not going to get any budget
>> to buy another camera, especially after what we spent on this one.
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From skyefire at skyefire.org  Mon May 27 15:38:43 2013
From: skyefire at skyefire.org (David McMillan)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 15:38:43 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
In-Reply-To: <fyt5if78t9qw878oclbcna0j.1369674411058@email.android.com>
References: <fyt5if78t9qw878oclbcna0j.1369674411058@email.android.com>
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On 5/27/2013 1:06 PM, Michael Mikowski wrote:
> The camera is a sunk cost. Would you rather work 20 hours on getting this to work or spend $150 and 2 hours for a superior solution?  By limiting yourself to a solution using the sunk-cost camera, you may be costing yourself a great deal more moving forward.
>
> I typically see accountants make this kind of mistake.

     Unfortunately, my employer's accountants are holding the purse 
strings for this little project, and my time is considered "free", or at 
least sunk, since I'm already there working on other things. There's 
also a certain political element involved; after spending $1500 for this 
camera and using it *once,* they want to see some better ROI.
     Bottom line:  I don't get to make that decision.  I've been handed 
these parts (except for the framegrabber) and told "make it work."  I'm 
*stuck* with this camera.  And, frankly, if it's going to take 20hrs 
just to get an analog framegrabbing device working under Linux, I might 
as well just stick to Windows.

> Best of luck!
>
>
> David McMillan <skyefire at skyefire.org> wrote:
>
>> On 5/25/2013 2:27 AM, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>>> It's FAR less cost to buy a digital USB webcam than to buy an analog
>>> -> digital converter,
>>> let alone trying to find non-Windows-only software to actually process
>>> the output from it.
>>      Sorry, didn't make it explicit:  I already *have* the camera. It's
>> a very expensive, high-end, PTZ NTSC camera.  Actually looks pretty good
>> on a 60" plasma, even at high zoom.  And I'm not going to get any budget
>> to buy another camera, especially after what we spent on this one.
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From z_mikowski at yahoo.com  Mon May 27 21:35:01 2013
From: z_mikowski at yahoo.com (Michael Mikowski)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 18:35:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
In-Reply-To: <51A3B643.8040700@skyefire.org>
References: <fyt5if78t9qw878oclbcna0j.1369674411058@email.android.com>
	<51A3B643.8040700@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <1369704901.42091.YahooMailNeo@web120102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

No offense meant David. ?Sorry to hear your situation - we've all probably been there before.

I'd guess the variance in a Linux versus Windows solution is probably not that great, but I don't know for certain - I have done enough research on this already :) ?Ironically, the cost of the Windows OS is around $150. Personally, I'd just spend my own $150 and get the job done in a few hours if I could get away with it.

Again, best of luck.

________________________________
 From: David McMillan <skyefire at skyefire.org>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org 
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
 

On 5/27/2013 1:06 PM, Michael Mikowski wrote:
> The camera is a sunk cost. Would you rather work 20 hours on getting this to work or spend $150 and 2 hours for a superior solution?? By limiting yourself to a solution using the sunk-cost camera, you may be costing yourself a great deal more moving forward.
>
> I typically see accountants make this kind of mistake.

? ?  Unfortunately, my employer's accountants are holding the purse 
strings for this little project, and my time is considered "free", or at 
least sunk, since I'm already there working on other things. There's 
also a certain political element involved; after spending $1500 for this 
camera and using it *once,* they want to see some better ROI.
? ?  Bottom line:? I don't get to make that decision.? I've been handed 
these parts (except for the framegrabber) and told "make it work."? I'm 
*stuck* with this camera.? And, frankly, if it's going to take 20hrs 
just to get an analog framegrabbing device working under Linux, I might 
as well just stick to Windows.

> Best of luck!
>
>
> David McMillan <skyefire at skyefire.org> wrote:
>
>> On 5/25/2013 2:27 AM, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>>> It's FAR less cost to buy a digital USB webcam than to buy an analog
>>> -> digital converter,
>>> let alone trying to find non-Windows-only software to actually process
>>> the output from it.
>>? ? ? Sorry, didn't make it explicit:? I already *have* the camera. It's
>> a very expensive, high-end, PTZ NTSC camera.? Actually looks pretty good
>> on a 60" plasma, even at high zoom.? And I'm not going to get any budget
>> to buy another camera, especially after what we spent on this one.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Mon May 27 22:49:00 2013
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 22:49:00 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
In-Reply-To: <51A3B643.8040700@skyefire.org>
References: <fyt5if78t9qw878oclbcna0j.1369674411058@email.android.com>
	<51A3B643.8040700@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <51A41B1C.5060605@gmail.com>

David McMillan wrote:
> On 5/27/2013 1:06 PM, Michael Mikowski wrote:
>> The camera is a sunk cost. Would you rather work 20 hours on getting this to work or spend $150 and 2 hours for a superior solution?  By limiting yourself to a solution using the sunk-cost camera, you may be costing yourself a great deal more
>> moving forward.
>>
>> I typically see accountants make this kind of mistake.
>
>      Unfortunately, my employer's accountants are holding the purse strings for this little project, and my time is considered "free", or at least sunk, since I'm already there working on other things. There's also a certain political element
> involved; after spending $1500 for this camera and using it *once,* they want to see some better ROI.

Wow.

Just out of curiousity, why did they spend $1500 on an analog camera in the age of digital TV?

>      Bottom line:  I don't get to make that decision.  I've been handed these parts (except for the framegrabber) and told "make it work."  I'm *stuck* with this camera.  And, frankly, if it's going to take 20hrs just to get an analog framegrabbing
> device working under Linux, I might as well just stick to Windows.
>
>> Best of luck!
>>
>>
>> David McMillan <skyefire at skyefire.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/25/2013 2:27 AM, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>>>> It's FAR less cost to buy a digital USB webcam than to buy an analog
>>>> -> digital converter,
>>>> let alone trying to find non-Windows-only software to actually process
>>>> the output from it.
>>>      Sorry, didn't make it explicit:  I already *have* the camera. It's
>>> a very expensive, high-end, PTZ NTSC camera.  Actually looks pretty good
>>> on a 60" plasma, even at high zoom.  And I'm not going to get any budget
>>> to buy another camera, especially after what we spent on this one.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> mdlug mailing list
>>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>> _______________________________________________
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>> mdlug at mdlug.org
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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Tue May 28 08:58:01 2013
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 12:58:01 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
In-Reply-To: <51A3617E.8000205@skyefire.org>
References: <519F96B6.9050701@skyefire.org>
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	<51A3617E.8000205@skyefire.org>
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> From: David McMillan

> It's just that, if I go for a fixed-interval intervalometer, I'm going to have to hand-edit out 12hrs/day of "off shift" footage.

Sounds like a task for a cron job. :-) Just shut off the camera 'off-shift'. Though there's daylight savings and such...

>  Hmmm... that strikes me as a good way to get a very ugly time-lapse video in the end, though.  This will probably be pulling snaps for
> *weeks,* and eventually compiled into a long-term time-lapse video.

Well, all the solutions ultimately use mencoder or ffmpeg or something similar. If you get nitty-gritty, you can tune the encoding to taste.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                              (313) 227-2317

     Microsoft Windows: Warn your friends about it.



From danno at dogcheese.net  Tue May 28 11:33:33 2013
From: danno at dogcheese.net (Dan Pritts)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 10:33:33 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
In-Reply-To: <51A41B1C.5060605@gmail.com>
References: <fyt5if78t9qw878oclbcna0j.1369674411058@email.android.com>
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On May 27, 2013, at 9:49 PM, Aaron Kulkis <akulkis00 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow.
> 
> Just out of curiousity, why did they spend $1500 on an analog camera in the age of digital TV?


>>> David McMillan <skyefire at skyefire.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>     Sorry, didn't make it explicit:  I already *have* the camera. It's
>>>> a very expensive, high-end, PTZ NTSC camera.  Actually looks pretty good
>>>> on a 60" plasma, even at high zoom.  And I'm not going to get any budget
>>>> to buy another camera, especially after what we spent on this one.



It's not crazy to spend $1500 on an NTSC camera with a good lens and good low-light performance.  You could get HD resolution and a digital interface instead in the same price range, but at the cost of image quality.

Good luck, David.  This project sounds like it's gonna suck; I would suggest the path of least resistance.  If that is windows, so be it.

danno


From skyefire at skyefire.org  Wed May 29 11:05:19 2013
From: skyefire at skyefire.org (David McMillan)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 11:05:19 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
In-Reply-To: <CABX2cSFf3+PJyYqm9Ec-TKin1LD_6wr9Tq8hBOGecnFJB6c7tA@mail.gmail.com>
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On 5/24/2013 3:10 PM, R KANNAN wrote:
> I have had good luck with Video Capturing from an analog VHS tapes using..
> Hauppauge 610 USB-Live 2 Analog Video Digitizer and Video Capture Device
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036VO2BI/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
> I was using it with VLC Viewer to capture frames.

     Thank you.  I've got one on order now.


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Wed May 29 12:25:47 2013
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 12:25:47 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Windows virus - AutoCAD files
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I'm not in the area so I can't help.  But I recommend using DraftSight
for drafting on Linux.  It's freeware and compatible with AutoCAD.
It's developed by Dassault Systems, the same developer of SolidWorks
and Catia.  It's based on the Intellicad libraries which are a joint
development by several AutoCAD competitors to have complete
compatibility with DWG files.

On 5/26/13, gib at juno.com <gib at juno.com> wrote:
> I have a buddy who said his laptop got a virus.  He wants to recover his
> AutoCAD files.  I provided some information about linux fixes for Windows
> virus issues and AutoCAD software. I just wonder if we have anyone who would
> be willing to help him.  He is on the East side; I75 and Gratiot is the
> location of his shop.
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From z_mikowski at yahoo.com  Wed May 29 12:26:38 2013
From: z_mikowski at yahoo.com (Michael Mikowski)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 09:26:38 -0700
Subject: [mdlug] Best Linux rig for capturing frames from analog video?
Message-ID: <1s54nw2mnbmr3rhl057cg59q.1369844755943@email.android.com>

FYI: " Supports full 720x480 at 30FPS capture over USB 2.0. Pixel format is packed YUV 4:2:2. Linux kernels > 2.6.32 need a patched driver. The latest driver source is available from the LinuxTV project. Look for media_build. The patch is available at the Kernel Labs blog."

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/review/B0036VO2BI/R8JC1CU3OBC2N/ref=aw_cr_R21MGGZ37300MI?cursor=2&sort=rd


David McMillan <skyefire at skyefire.org> wrote:

>On 5/24/2013 3:10 PM, R KANNAN wrote:
>> I have had good luck with Video Capturing from an analog VHS tapes using..
>> Hauppauge 610 USB-Live 2 Analog Video Digitizer and Video Capture Device
>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036VO2BI/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>>
>> I was using it with VLC Viewer to capture frames.
>
>     Thank you.  I've got one on order now.
>
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