From carl at carltm.com  Tue Mar  1 08:44:48 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 08:44:48 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Creating virtual machines
In-Reply-To: <4D6BED2B.90809@skyefire.org>
References: <4D6BED2B.90809@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <7ded9b87669db58a21d58639a535fc20.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

David McMillan wrote:
>      So, my thought is, I *ought* to be able to create a VM from the
> copy of the stolen laptop's WinXP partition.  But aside from a bit of
> messing about with VMWare, I haven't got any experience in this area.
> Ideally, I'd like to create a VM that can be stored in my multi-access
> partition, and run from inside either Win7, or from Linux, so I don't
> have to reboot to access the VM when I need it.  So a multi-platform VM
> hosting system is essential, and of course the more Open-Source the
> better.

Hi David,

You've probably already heard from others, so I'll just toss
in my 2 cents.  If I were doing this I would use VirtualBox.
It will run in Linux or Windows, and you can run the same
VM alternating the host OS.  It also has tools to let you
create a virtual hard drive from a real hard drive.  You
would use your dd image as a source as if it was a hard drive.
If you do a Google search you'll find instructions to set up
everything.

c




From carl at carltm.com  Tue Mar  1 08:52:20 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 08:52:20 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Script to delete old files?
In-Reply-To: <201102282031.39520.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
References: <201102282031.39520.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
Message-ID: <3b8f59ae7647b915798f3659ae8c1618.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Stan Green wrote:
> My thought is a script something like this (pseudo code):
> df > FreeSpace
> if FreeSpace is less then 25%
> if FreeSpace is less then 50% do
> 	delete the oldest file
> 	df > FreeSpace
> Loop until FreeSpace is greater then 50%

This would work, although if you have a lot of files it
might run for a long time.  A way to speed it up would
be to delete files older than X weeks/days/hours/minutes.
If this runs every week, you could have it count down
from 8 weeks to 1 week.  The find command could be used
to find and delete the files relatively quickly.

c




From carl at carltm.com  Tue Mar  1 08:58:54 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 08:58:54 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Creating virtual machines
In-Reply-To: <4D6C606C.3090303@doehler.us>
References: <4D6BED2B.90809@skyefire.org> <4D6C606C.3090303@doehler.us>
Message-ID: <68e6bc14f70de5458d502f3cee5a6121.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Joe Doehler wrote:
> In all cases, I used VMWare ("Workstation" for the Linux host, "Player"
> for the Win7 host). I tried VirtualBox in Win7, but it hung up during
> installation every time I tried while looking for a video card. I gave
> up on it. I think that the VMWare products are simply more mature; they
> have all been rock-stable for me.

Interesting, I've had just the opposite experience the last
couple of years with VMware and VirtualBox.  I've had several
issues with VWware-Server, versions 1 and 2, and wasn't able
to install ESXi on a Dell 2850 server.  Meanwhile I've had
very few problems that were easily fixed with VirtualBox.
Granted, I wasn't paying for VMware, but I have stopped using
the free versions of it.

c




From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  1 09:57:04 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 09:57:04 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Run scrip on file arrival
In-Reply-To: <201102282053.57328.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
References: <201102282053.57328.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
Message-ID: <4D6D0940.7080200@gmail.com>

Stan Green wrote:
> I have two Debian systems; one user system and one server. The first system is 
> used to create files. It includes a script that copies the video file to the 
> other system for processing and storage. The copy is done over NFS. The hard 
> part seems to be staring the processing on the file only after is is fully on 
> the other box. I would rather not do a time based process due to issues with 
> the file being still being copied. My thought was to create a small file and 
> send it after I send the main file. This way the script could run every 5min 
> and wait for the small file to arrive. It could then process all the video 
> files and delete the small file. I have seen this type of setup used before and 
> it seems to work. However is there a better way to accomplish this task?
> 

scp  file  remotehost:/some/path/to/file
ssh remotehost /some/script/to/run


From skyefire at skyefire.org  Tue Mar  1 11:34:01 2011
From: skyefire at skyefire.org (David McMillan)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 11:34:01 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Script to delete old files?
In-Reply-To: <3b8f59ae7647b915798f3659ae8c1618.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <201102282031.39520.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
	<3b8f59ae7647b915798f3659ae8c1618.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <4D6D1FF9.3060204@skyefire.org>

On 3/1/2011 8:52 AM, Carl T. Miller wrote:
> Stan Green wrote:
>> My thought is a script something like this (pseudo code):
>> df>  FreeSpace
>> if FreeSpace is less then 25%
>> if FreeSpace is less then 50% do
>> 	delete the oldest file
>> 	df>  FreeSpace
>> Loop until FreeSpace is greater then 50%
> This would work, although if you have a lot of files it
> might run for a long time.  A way to speed it up would
> be to delete files older than X weeks/days/hours/minutes.
> If this runs every week, you could have it count down
> from 8 weeks to 1 week.  The find command could be used
> to find and delete the files relatively quickly.
     Or... since the files he wants to delete are already copied to a 
remote machine, would it be practical to generate a list of files 
duplicated in both locations using rsync or fslint, and delete the local 
copies?


From Stan at mcomputersolutions.com  Tue Mar  1 12:24:07 2011
From: Stan at mcomputersolutions.com (Stan Green)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:24:07 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Script to delete old files?
In-Reply-To: <4D6D1FF9.3060204@skyefire.org>
References: <201102282031.39520.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
	<3b8f59ae7647b915798f3659ae8c1618.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<4D6D1FF9.3060204@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <201103011224.07587.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>

On Tuesday 01 March 2011 11:34:01 am David McMillan wrote:
> On 3/1/2011 8:52 AM, Carl T. Miller wrote:
> > Stan Green wrote:
> >> My thought is a script something like this (pseudo code):
> >> df>  FreeSpace
> >> if FreeSpace is less then 25%
> >> if FreeSpace is less then 50% do
> >> 	delete the oldest file
> >> 	df>  FreeSpace
> >> Loop until FreeSpace is greater then 50%
> >
> > This would work, although if you have a lot of files it
> > might run for a long time.  A way to speed it up would
> > be to delete files older than X weeks/days/hours/minutes.
> > If this runs every week, you could have it count down
> > from 8 weeks to 1 week.  The find command could be used
> > to find and delete the files relatively quickly.
>
>      Or... since the files he wants to delete are already copied to a
> remote machine, would it be practical to generate a list of files
> duplicated in both locations using rsync or fslint, and delete the local
> copies?
Yes, this would keep me form finding the oldest.

Would this not just change line: 
delete the oldest file
to:
delete the first file in the list (First In First Out)

Or is there more to this?

Thanks,
Stan


From skyefire at skyefire.org  Tue Mar  1 12:51:05 2011
From: skyefire at skyefire.org (David McMillan)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 12:51:05 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
Message-ID: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org>


     Probably rather off-topic for this list, but I'm hoping somebody 
might know somebody....

     Here's my situation:  For a lot of R&D labwork I'm currently doing, 
one of my sensor systems is capable of streaming selected realtime data 
across a TCP connection to a remote piece of logging software.  But *of 
course,* the logging software only works under Windows.  Which I could 
probably deal with, except that the logging software is also pretty 
primitive -- saving a logfile down to a tab-separated text file so that 
my own postprocessing scripts can <ahem> Do Science To It requires a 
series of manual operations.  There's no way to automate it.  I've 
actually managed to semi-automate the process using WinXP scripting, but 
there's a rub: I have yet to find a way to get the script to trigger 
automatically[1].

     So, naturally, I decided this was a Behold The True Power of Linux! 
situation, and decided it was time to learn how to write my own 
replacement for this proprietary logging software.  So I did a test run, 
logging the raw port data with WireShark and saving the output of the 
saved file... and hit a wall.
     I'm *pretty* certain that this data isn't enciphered to prevent 
third-party access, but it's not plaintext being pushed through a 
Telnet-esque connection either.  So I'm a bit stuck.

[1] boring details:  the logging software acts as a "server," listening 
on a particular port.  It starts logging as soon as the port opens.  The 
tricky bit is that all the logged data *gets erased* without being saved 
if/when the port is closed, and the port gets closed from the "client" 
end (the test rig) as soon as I hit Reset to begin another measurement.  
Getting around this requires me to keep running back and forth between 
machines, which gets awfully tedious when I'm sometimes doing dozens of 
test runs per hour.  So the key event to detecting when to save the 
logged data is to detect first the port opening, followed by a halt to 
port activity.  Which I haven't been able to figure out a way to do 
under WinXP.


From gib at juno.com  Tue Mar  1 13:22:28 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 18:22:28 GMT
Subject: [mdlug]  Reverse-engineering data protocols
Message-ID: <20110301.132228.3855.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>

I think this is a good question for the group.  I don't know if anyone will  have an answer.  I suspect you may get many ideas. We'd really like to push you to replace the Window software with something on Linux.  

---------- Original Message ----------
From: David McMillan <skyefire at skyefire.org>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 12:51:05 -0500



    Probably rather off-topic for this list, but I'm hoping somebody 
might know somebody....

    Here's my situation:  For a lot of R&D labwork I'm currently doing, 
one of my sensor systems is capable of streaming selected realtime data 
across a TCP connection to a remote piece of logging software.  But *of 
course,* the logging software only works under Windows.  Which I could 
probably deal with, except that the logging software is also pretty 
primitive -- saving a logfile down to a tab-separated text file so that 
my own postprocessing scripts can <ahem> Do Science To It requires a 
series of manual operations.  There's no way to automate it.  I've 
actually managed to semi-automate the process using WinXP scripting, but 
there's a rub: I have yet to find a way to get the script to trigger 
automatically[1].

    So, naturally, I decided this was a Behold The True Power of Linux! 
situation, and decided it was time to learn how to write my own 
replacement for this proprietary logging software.  So I did a test run, 
logging the raw port data with WireShark and saving the output of the 
saved file... and hit a wall.
    I'm *pretty* certain that this data isn't enciphered to prevent 
third-party access, but it's not plaintext being pushed through a 
Telnet-esque connection either.  So I'm a bit stuck.

[1] boring details:  the logging software acts as a "server," listening 
on a particular port.  It starts logging as soon as the port opens.  The 
tricky bit is that all the logged data *gets erased* without being saved 
if/when the port is closed, and the port gets closed from the "client" 
end (the test rig) as soon as I hit Reset to begin another measurement.  
Getting around this requires me to keep running back and forth between 
machines, which gets awfully tedious when I'm sometimes doing dozens of 
test runs per hour.  So the key event to detecting when to save the 
logged data is to detect first the port opening, followed by a halt to 
port activity.  Which I haven't been able to figure out a way to do 
under WinXP.
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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Tue Mar  1 13:29:58 2011
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 13:29:58 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E691B@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: David McMillan

>      I'm *pretty* certain that this data isn't enciphered to prevent
> third-party access, but it's not plaintext being pushed through a
> Telnet-esque connection either.  So I'm a bit stuck.

I see two approaches, one short-term, one long-term.

 1) Short term - see if you can 'record' the data coming into Linux
(WireShark, netcat, whatever) and then 'play it back' later to the
Windows logger. This would allow you to do a bunch of tests, saving to
different files, and then 'batch log' them to Windows later for
processing.

 2) Long term - figure out the structure of the file. Is the data
basically numbers? Then do a little work, taking chunks of the file and
interpreting them as numbers. I'd guess they were either integers, or
IEEE floating-point numbers. Are you familiar with the concept of
'endianness'? You may have to take that into account. But given the
input and the plaintext file, it should be possible to figure out the
protocol.

 Sincerely,

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From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Tue Mar  1 13:07:42 2011
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 13:07:42 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi==kKFqBpq+ENA=0L_zgkx66urTUsSBLOE_TC_G@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 12:51 PM, David McMillan <skyefire at skyefire.org> wrote:
>
> ? ? Probably rather off-topic for this list, but I'm hoping somebody
> might know somebody....
>
> ? ? Here's my situation: ?For a lot of R&D labwork I'm currently doing,
> one of my sensor systems is capable of streaming selected realtime data
> across a TCP connection to a remote piece of logging software. ?But *of
> course,* the logging software only works under Windows. ?Which I could
> probably deal with, except that the logging software is also pretty
> primitive -- saving a logfile down to a tab-separated text file so that
> my own postprocessing scripts can <ahem> Do Science To It requires a
> series of manual operations. ?There's no way to automate it. ?I've
> actually managed to semi-automate the process using WinXP scripting, but
> there's a rub: I have yet to find a way to get the script to trigger
> automatically[1].
>

What is the part number of the sensor and who made it?  Is it some
custom design for your company?

> ? ? So, naturally, I decided this was a Behold The True Power of Linux!
> situation, and decided it was time to learn how to write my own
> replacement for this proprietary logging software. ?So I did a test run,
> logging the raw port data with WireShark and saving the output of the
> saved file... and hit a wall.
> ? ? I'm *pretty* certain that this data isn't enciphered to prevent
> third-party access, but it's not plaintext being pushed through a
> Telnet-esque connection either. ?So I'm a bit stuck.
>

It could be compressed, raw data, multiplexed from multiple sensors,
or a serial or time stamped stream.

> [1] boring details: ?the logging software acts as a "server," listening
> on a particular port. ?It starts logging as soon as the port opens. ?The
> tricky bit is that all the logged data *gets erased* without being saved
> if/when the port is closed, and the port gets closed from the "client"
> end (the test rig) as soon as I hit Reset to begin another measurement.
> Getting around this requires me to keep running back and forth between
> machines, which gets awfully tedious when I'm sometimes doing dozens of
> test runs per hour. ?So the key event to detecting when to save the
> logged data is to detect first the port opening, followed by a halt to
> port activity. ?Which I haven't been able to figure out a way to do
> under WinXP.
>

You can poll with netstat but that may have too much latency to
activate a script on time.

I'm not a software engineer but I do work on automotive-related test systems.


From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  1 13:55:51 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 13:55:51 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Run scrip on file arrival
In-Reply-To: <201103011010.36771.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
References: <201102282053.57328.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
	<4D6D0940.7080200@gmail.com>
	<201103011010.36771.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
Message-ID: <4D6D4137.40603@gmail.com>

Stan Green wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 March 2011 09:57:04 am you wrote:
>> Stan Green wrote:
>>> I have two Debian systems; one user system and one server. The first
>>> system is used to create files. It includes a script that copies the
>>> video file to the other system for processing and storage. The copy is
>>> done over NFS. The hard part seems to be staring the processing on the
>>> file only after is is fully on the other box. I would rather not do a
>>> time based process due to issues with the file being still being copied.
>>> My thought was to create a small file and send it after I send the main
>>> file. This way the script could run every 5min and wait for the small
>>> file to arrive. It could then process all the video files and delete the
>>> small file. I have seen this type of setup used before and it seems to
>>> work. However is there a better way to accomplish this task?
>> scp  file  remotehost:/some/path/to/file
>> ssh remotehost /some/script/to/run
> 
> OK, so this is a side topic.
> 
> I would not what the user to have to interact with the script. They have a hard 
> enough time with the concept of logging off! (They are always trying to 
> shutdown!)


You might want to write a wrapper program in C which does
sudo to the desired username and runs the desired shellscript.
[This, of course, would be installed on the remote system,
not on the user's computer, and also edit /etc/sudoers on
the remote computer appropriately.]


Q:  Why is the user in question misbehaving by trying to shut down?
What's going on with management/supervision that they are not
taking any corrective action?

> With ssh, to keep the user from interacting with the script,  wouldn't I need to 
> put the user's password in the script?

No.  Big security hole. 

> I've seen many different ways to handle 
> this, but I have never been 100% happy with any of them. Is there a "best 
> practice" for putting passwords in scripts.

Either use sudo, or the user will have to BEHAVE LIKE 
A RESPONSIBLE ADULT WHO EARNS THEIR PAY, and type in
their own password.

If they can't handle this, then seriously, what other
basic work tasks are they also screwing up?


From awilliam at opengroupware.us  Tue Mar  1 14:02:20 2011
From: awilliam at opengroupware.us (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 14:02:20 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E691B@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org>
	<50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E691B@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <1299006142.3837.16.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Tue, 2011-03-01 at 13:29 -0500, Ingles, Raymond wrote: 
> > From: David McMillan
> >      I'm *pretty* certain that this data isn't enciphered to prevent
> > third-party access, but it's not plaintext being pushed through a
> > Telnet-esque connection either.  So I'm a bit stuck.

It is almost certainly encoded or packed in some manner;  there are many
ways do to that:  Base64, MARC/Z39, XDR, LEB128, DCE, and various
combinations of the previous with differing signing, code page
encodings, and endian-ness.

The best thing you can do is grab a stream where you know what the
result is and noodle around in the data with a hex editor (like ghex2)
until you can find at least some primer (this results in that) and work
from there.  This gets easier with experience; after while you'll look
at some stream of gook and say... man, that looks like...
-- 
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<http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com>
OpenGroupware, Cyrus IMAPd, Postfix, OpenLDAP, Samba



From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  1 14:44:20 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 14:44:20 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <4D6D4C94.9000905@gmail.com>

David McMillan wrote:
>      Probably rather off-topic for this list, but I'm hoping somebody 
> might know somebody....
> 
>      Here's my situation:  For a lot of R&D labwork I'm currently doing, 
> one of my sensor systems is capable of streaming selected realtime data 
> across a TCP connection to a remote piece of logging software.  But *of 
> course,* the logging software only works under Windows.  Which I could 
> probably deal with, except that the logging software is also pretty 
> primitive -- saving a logfile down to a tab-separated text file so that 
> my own postprocessing scripts can <ahem> Do Science To It requires a 
> series of manual operations.  There's no way to automate it.  I've 
> actually managed to semi-automate the process using WinXP scripting, but 
> there's a rub: I have yet to find a way to get the script to trigger 
> automatically[1].
> 
>      So, naturally, I decided this was a Behold The True Power of Linux! 
> situation, and decided it was time to learn how to write my own 
> replacement for this proprietary logging software.  So I did a test run, 
> logging the raw port data with WireShark and saving the output of the 
> saved file... and hit a wall.
>      I'm *pretty* certain that this data isn't enciphered to prevent 
> third-party access, but it's not plaintext being pushed through a 
> Telnet-esque connection either.  So I'm a bit stuck.
> 
> [1] boring details:  the logging software acts as a "server," listening 
> on a particular port.  It starts logging as soon as the port opens.  The 
> tricky bit is that all the logged data *gets erased* without being saved 
> if/when the port is closed, and the port gets closed from the "client" 
> end (the test rig) as soon as I hit Reset to begin another measurement.  
> Getting around this requires me to keep running back and forth between 
> machines, which gets awfully tedious when I'm sometimes doing dozens of 
> test runs per hour.  So the key event to detecting when to save the 
> logged data is to detect first the port opening, followed by a halt to 
> port activity.  Which I haven't been able to figure out a way to do 
> under WinXP.


Have you contacted the manufacturer?

It would probably be simpler for them to just write a small
bit of code to close the logging file, and start a new one
(with a different name), and send you a new file.

And no, I don't like Windows at all -- but without feedback
from users, they'll never know that their logging software
is the pits.


From Stan at mcomputersolutions.com  Tue Mar  1 17:13:30 2011
From: Stan at mcomputersolutions.com (Stan Green)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 17:13:30 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] OT: KISS!  Was:  Run script on file arrival
In-Reply-To: <4D6D4137.40603@gmail.com>
References: <201102282053.57328.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
	<201103011010.36771.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
	<4D6D4137.40603@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201103011713.30456.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>

On Tuesday 01 March 2011 01:55:51 pm Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> > OK, so this is a side topic.
> >
> > I would not what the user to have to interact with the script. They have
> > a hard enough time with the concept of logging off! (They are always
> > trying to shutdown!)
>
> You might want to write a wrapper program in C which does
> sudo to the desired username and runs the desired shellscript.
> [This, of course, would be installed on the remote system,
> not on the user's computer, and also edit /etc/sudoers on
> the remote computer appropriately.]
This is not a bad idea. I've never done so, but it might be worth looking into. 
The one down side is the concept of isolation. I'm not sure I what the client 
to have to know what script to run on the server. This make it harder to 
maintain the client if I what to run a different script someday. 
>
>
> Q:  Why is the user in question misbehaving by trying to shut down?
> What's going on with management/supervision that they are not
> taking any corrective action?
>
I am the team lead! They are only confused as they are used to shutting down 
Windows when they are done. I have it set up so the system shutdown when the 
background task are done. It is just a leaning curve and I try to keep it as 
flat as I can. 
> > With ssh, to keep the user from interacting with the script,  wouldn't I
> > need to put the user's password in the script?
>
> No.  Big security hole.
>
> > I've seen many different ways to handle
> > this, but I have never been 100% happy with any of them. Is there a "best
> > practice" for putting passwords in scripts.
>
> Either use sudo, or the user will have to BEHAVE LIKE
> A RESPONSIBLE ADULT WHO EARNS THEIR PAY, and type in
> their own password.
You assume my team is paid, which is an invalid assumption. They are 100% 
volunteers.  I simply don't want them to interact with scripts. They enter 
their password when they login to the system. They have a job to do and they do 
it well.  I do my best to not complicate it. I have made it 50% simpler by 
going to Linux, because we have the power of scripts. I'm not gong back to a 
complicated process. Then I might as well go back to Windows.
>
> If they can't handle this, then seriously, what other
> basic work tasks are they also screwing up?
None. They are all talented people who do a wonderful job. They are just not 
deep technical people. Which is 100% fine with me as I want people do focus on 
what they are good at and not what they are not good at. This is why I do 90% 
of the deep technical stuff for the team.




From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  1 22:48:07 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 22:48:07 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] OT: KISS!  Was:  Run script on file arrival
In-Reply-To: <201103011713.30456.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
References: <201102282053.57328.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>	<201103011010.36771.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>	<4D6D4137.40603@gmail.com>
	<201103011713.30456.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
Message-ID: <4D6DBDF7.20407@gmail.com>

Stan Green wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 March 2011 01:55:51 pm Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>>> OK, so this is a side topic.
>>>
>>> I would not what the user to have to interact with the script. They have
>>> a hard enough time with the concept of logging off! (They are always
>>> trying to shutdown!)
>> You might want to write a wrapper program in C which does
>> sudo to the desired username and runs the desired shellscript.
>> [This, of course, would be installed on the remote system,
>> not on the user's computer, and also edit /etc/sudoers on
>> the remote computer appropriately.]
> This is not a bad idea. I've never done so, but it might be worth looking into. 
> The one down side is the concept of isolation. I'm not sure I what the client 
> to have to know what script to run on the server. This make it harder to 
> maintain the client if I what to run a different script someday. 
>>
>> Q:  Why is the user in question misbehaving by trying to shut down?
>> What's going on with management/supervision that they are not
>> taking any corrective action?
>>
> I am the team lead! They are only confused as they are used to shutting down 
> Windows when they are done. I have it set up so the system shutdown when the 
> background task are done. It is just a leaning curve and I try to keep it as 
> flat as I can. 
>>> With ssh, to keep the user from interacting with the script,  wouldn't I
>>> need to put the user's password in the script?
>> No.  Big security hole.
>>
>>> I've seen many different ways to handle
>>> this, but I have never been 100% happy with any of them. Is there a "best
>>> practice" for putting passwords in scripts.
>> Either use sudo, or the user will have to BEHAVE LIKE
>> A RESPONSIBLE ADULT WHO EARNS THEIR PAY, and type in
>> their own password.
> You assume my team is paid, which is an invalid assumption. They are 100% 
> volunteers.  I simply don't want them to interact with scripts. They enter 
> their password when they login to the system. They have a job to do and they do 
> it well.  I do my best to not complicate it. I have made it 50% simpler by 
> going to Linux, because we have the power of scripts. I'm not gong back to a 
> complicated process. Then I might as well go back to Windows.
>> If they can't handle this, then seriously, what other
>> basic work tasks are they also screwing up?
> None. They are all talented people who do a wonderful job. They are just not 
> deep technical people. Which is 100% fine with me as I want people do focus on 
> what they are good at and not what they are not good at. This is why I do 90% 
> of the deep technical stuff for the team.


No problem
On the remote side, you make a wrapper script that is THIS:


#!/bin/bash
shift		# shift elements of $* 1 place to the left
$*		# execute the redirected script

Suppose we save this script as /local/bin/executor

$ ssh remotehosts /local/bin/executor somescript arg1 arg2 arg3 arg4

argument assignments at the beginning of execution:
$0 = executor	# This is how a program with multiple hard links
	# or symbolic links to it can change behavior
	# depending upon what name it is called by,
	# ... they examine the "0th" element of the argument
	# vector, decide how to proceed accordingly]
	# (for example, ex, vi (or vim), and view are the
	# same program. try  ls -al /usr/bin/{ex,vi,vim,view}
	#
$1 = somescript
$2 = arg1
$3 = arg2
$4 = arg3
$5 = arg4

so:

executor somescript arg1 arg2 arg3 arg4
    $0       $1      $2   $3   $4   $5
After executing the shift instruction, $0 is dropped, producing

somescript arg1 arg2 arg3 arg4
   $0       $1   $2   $3   $4

the $* stands for all arguments, so it is basically executes
the first argument (as submitted to the script) with all of the
remaining arguments tacked on as arguments.


From skyefire at skyefire.org  Wed Mar  2 07:13:54 2011
From: skyefire at skyefire.org (David McMillan)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 07:13:54 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi==kKFqBpq+ENA=0L_zgkx66urTUsSBLOE_TC_G@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org>
	<AANLkTi==kKFqBpq+ENA=0L_zgkx66urTUsSBLOE_TC_G@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D6E3482.7000707@skyefire.org>

On 3/1/2011 1:07 PM, Jeff Hanson wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 12:51 PM, David McMillan<skyefire at skyefire.org>  wrote:
> What is the part number of the sensor and who made it?  Is it some
> custom design for your company?
     It's essentially custom.  It's actually a firmware-based system 
running on an industrial robot (running a version of VxWorks, in fact), 
but that end of the chain is inaccessible.  It's a giant black box, for 
one thing, and a collection of human safety-critical systems to boot, so 
hacking away at it is a no-go under the circumstances.
>     I'm *pretty* certain that this data isn't enciphered to prevent
>> third-party access, but it's not plaintext being pushed through a
>> Telnet-esque connection either.  So I'm a bit stuck.
>>
> It could be compressed, raw data, multiplexed from multiple sensors,
> or a serial or time stamped stream.
     Time stamped, definitely.  Just what data is sent is actually 
configurable from the source "client".  When I tell the "server" 
software to export-to-textfile, what I get is a tab-separated set of 
columns.  Every other column, starting with the first, is a timestamp in 
milliseconds, serving as a time index for the data in the same row in 
the next column to the right.  One of the things I don't know is whether 
all these time-stamp columns are sent from the source, or if only one 
timestamp is sent (all the data is 100% synchronous) and the server 
software's Export function generates the multiple timestamp columns.
>> logged data is to detect first the port opening, followed by a halt to
>> port activity.  Which I haven't been able to figure out a way to do
>> under WinXP.
>>
> You can poll with netstat but that may have too much latency to
> activate a script on time.
>
> I'm not a software engineer but I do work on automotive-related test systems.
     That was actually one of the first things I tried, but I didn't get 
anywhere.  I could detect the port's Open/Closed/Listening status using 
netstat, but a few weeks of googling and poking about in my spare time 
hasn't turned up a way to use netstat to detect the "busyness" of the port.
     Going by my wireshark captures, all activity on the port stops as 
soon as the "client" stops sending data, but the port remains open 
indefinitely.  The act of closing the port causes the server to clear 
its buffers.  That, and what looks like an initial startup handshake, is 
all the communication there is between the client and server, AFAICT -- 
it's very bare-bones.  This software was really intended as a 
troubleshooting and setup tool, not for R&D work with flots and flots of 
repetitive testing.



From skyefire at skyefire.org  Wed Mar  2 07:24:12 2011
From: skyefire at skyefire.org (David McMillan)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 07:24:12 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E691B@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org>
	<50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E691B@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <4D6E36EC.3050009@skyefire.org>

On 3/1/2011 1:29 PM, Ingles, Raymond wrote:
>> From: David McMillan
>>       I'm *pretty* certain that this data isn't enciphered to prevent
>> third-party access, but it's not plaintext being pushed through a
>> Telnet-esque connection either.  So I'm a bit stuck.
> I see two approaches, one short-term, one long-term.
>
>   1) Short term - see if you can 'record' the data coming into Linux
> (WireShark, netcat, whatever) and then 'play it back' later to the
> Windows logger. This would allow you to do a bunch of tests, saving to
> different files, and then 'batch log' them to Windows later for
> processing.
     Unfortunately, so far I can't get the client to stream data to 
anything except the proprietary server.  There's some sort of initial 
handshake between the two that so far is beyond my (nearly-nonexistant) 
TCP/IP skills to figure out, much less duplicate.  I have determined to 
my satisfaction that just opening the correct port and listening on it 
isn't enough.
>   2) Long term - figure out the structure of the file. Is the data
> basically numbers? Then do a little work, taking chunks of the file and
> interpreting them as numbers. I'd guess they were either integers, or
> IEEE floating-point numbers. Are you familiar with the concept of
> 'endianness'? You may have to take that into account. But given the
> input and the plaintext file, it should be possible to figure out the
> protocol.
     Endian-ness, as in Motorola vs Intel?  Yeah, I'm familiar with that 
-- I have to juggle it on mismatched industrial systems often enough.
     The data is definitely floating-point.  I'm pretty certain its 
32bit (the source system is 32bit natively), and IEEE encoding seems a 
reasonable assumption.
     Yeah, I thought that, given the two files, it should be doable.  
The problem is, I put the two side-by-side and there's nothing visible 
that relates the two, no loose ends to grab onto.  I might as well be 
looking at two files in English and Japanese for all the connections I 
can draw between them.  The primary reason I approached the list was in 
the hopes that there might be some key insight to serve as a starting 
point.  Someone with more experienced eyes might look at this and see a 
pattern where all I see is white noise.


From skyefire at skyefire.org  Wed Mar  2 07:41:26 2011
From: skyefire at skyefire.org (David McMillan)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 07:41:26 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <4D6D4C94.9000905@gmail.com>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org> <4D6D4C94.9000905@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D6E3AF6.5080504@skyefire.org>

On 3/1/2011 2:44 PM, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> Have you contacted the manufacturer?
     Oh, yes.  First thing I did.  And I'm still working my contacts on 
that end, but sometimes it seems like this manufacturer rolls 10D100 
magic 8-balls in order to decide what data to share and what not to.  I 
suspect a large number of departments with little or no unified policy 
on proprietary-vs-open information.
> It would probably be simpler for them to just write a small
> bit of code to close the logging file, and start a new one
> (with a different name), and send you a new file.
     That I suspect won't happen, based on previous experience.  I'll 
spare you the sordid details, but this particular supplier writes their 
software the way *they* think it should be, customer feedback be hanged, 
regardless of how big the customer is.  They keep getting business 
because their stuff is *good,* no question -- I keep using it because 
it's simply the best there is for what I'm doing -- but they seem to be 
firmly convinced that they know better than the customer.  Although, 
given my own experience with their largest customers, I can't entirely 
blame them for that attitude...
     I did in fact run the logging software through a reverse compiler 
(the last few years, this vendor has been moving towards writing most of 
their Windows-side applications in un-obfuscated .NET), but it didn't go 
anywhere.  This particular app was probably written by a dept that is 
still sticking to VB6.
> And no, I don't like Windows at all -- but without feedback
> from users, they'll never know that their logging software
> is the pits.
     To be fair, I really am using this piece of software in ways it 
wasn't intended -- it wasn't intended as a tool that would see lots of 
heavy constant use.



From devanhoe at gmail.com  Thu Mar  3 09:42:52 2011
From: devanhoe at gmail.com (Dennis VanHoey)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:42:52 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] FYI: [Discuss] Lamp Developer needed in MI
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=+=rRT8ZT9FEym8RNZhFwEFpKfPwMDy9VaWidF@mail.gmail.com>

The large automotive OEM that I work at is looking for
a solid LAMP developer with PHP 5, MySQL, javascript+Ajax.
Full time, will help develop and maintain a new internal web
application.

Please send resumes to devanhoe at gmail dot com.

This request is being sent out before the official posting (to get
notice out ahead of the week long paperwork).

Position is expected to start approximately between last week of
March and April 1st.


From gib at juno.com  Thu Mar  3 10:38:03 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 15:38:03 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Fw: RE: Question about posting  jobs on MDLUG
Message-ID: <20110303.103803.21367.1@webmail20.vgs.untd.com>

FYI

---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: Karen Porat <kporat at visionit.com>
To: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
Subject: RE: Question about posting  jobs on MDLUG
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:10:44 -0500


Thanks for the update. I understand that you can&rsquo;t post this out to the group.  Here is the description in case you know of anyone in your Linux network who might be interested.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  I&rsquo;m based in Atlanta and I don&rsquo;t have a network in MI.
 
The location is Warren, MI
15 month project
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Minimum 5- 10 years C++ programming and systems analysis
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Recruiting Consultant
VisionIT
kporat at visionit.com | www.visionit.com
Direct 404-416-9569 | Fax 404.816.9190
 
From: gib at juno.com [mailto:gib at juno.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:26 PM
To: Karen Porat
Subject: Question about posting jobs on MDLUG
 
As is typical of the group one person replied.  The comment was we would have to open this up to other recruiters.  I don't know if we are going get a verdict anytime soon.   

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Karen Porat <kporat at visionit.com>
To: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
Subject: RE: Question about posting  jobs on MDLUG
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 16:09:41 -0500
Just checking  back with you to get the verdict. J
 
Karen Porat  
Recruiting Consultant
VisionIT
kporat at visionit.com | www.visionit.com
Direct 404-416-9569 | Fax 404.816.9190
 
From: gib at juno.com [mailto:gib at juno.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 1:24 PM
To: Karen Porat
Subject: Re: Question about posting jobs on MDLUG
 
have forwarded he question to the officers.  We'll see what they say.

Please note: message attached

From: Karen Porat <kporat at visionit.com>
To: "president at mdlug.org" <president at mdlug.org>
Subject: Question about posting  jobs on MDLUG
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 11:25:55 -0500


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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Thu Mar  3 14:22:40 2011
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 14:22:40 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <4D6E36EC.3050009@skyefire.org>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org><50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E691B@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<4D6E36EC.3050009@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E6B2E@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: David McMillan

>      Unfortunately, so far I can't get the client to stream data to
> anything except the proprietary server.  There's some sort of initial
> handshake between the two that so far is beyond my
(nearly-nonexistant)
> TCP/IP skills to figure out, much less duplicate.  I have determined
to
> my satisfaction that just opening the correct port and listening on it
> isn't enough.

Well, there's one other option if you can't reverse-engineer the
handshake. Set up a virtual machine on Linux, running Windows. Run the
logging software in there. Export the drive so that the Linux host can
read it. Have the Linux host watch for data files and copy them off
somewhere safe.


>      Yeah, I thought that, given the two files, it should be doable.
> The problem is, I put the two side-by-side and there's nothing visible
> that relates the two, no loose ends to grab onto.  I might as well be
> looking at two files in English and Japanese for all the connections I
> can draw between them.  The primary reason I approached the list was
in
> the hopes that there might be some key insight to serve as a starting
> point.  Someone with more experienced eyes might look at this and see
a
> pattern where all I see is white noise.

 Well, if the raw file is just binary floats (with possibly integer
timestamps) then you'll have some work to do. Write a simple program
that'll take different 4-byte chunks, interpret them as a float, and
print them out (possibly with the endianness flipped). Compare the
values with the numbers in the text file, and see if they match up. If
so, look at the bytes immediately around the bytes you've identified,
and see if they can be interpreted as a timestamp. (They should
increment...)

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                   (313) 227-2317

   Microsoft Windows - Putting new limits on productivity.


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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  3 14:36:03 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 14:36:03 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <4D6E3AF6.5080504@skyefire.org>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org> <4D6D4C94.9000905@gmail.com>
	<4D6E3AF6.5080504@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <4D6FEDA3.7080100@gmail.com>

David McMillan wrote:
> On 3/1/2011 2:44 PM, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>> Have you contacted the manufacturer?
>      Oh, yes.  First thing I did.  And I'm still working my contacts on 
> that end, but sometimes it seems like this manufacturer rolls 10D100 
> magic 8-balls in order to decide what data to share and what not to.  I 
> suspect a large number of departments with little or no unified policy 
> on proprietary-vs-open information.
>> It would probably be simpler for them to just write a small
>> bit of code to close the logging file, and start a new one
>> (with a different name), and send you a new file.
>      That I suspect won't happen, based on previous experience.  I'll 
> spare you the sordid details, but this particular supplier writes their 
> software the way *they* think it should be, customer feedback be hanged, 
> regardless of how big the customer is.  They keep getting business 
> because their stuff is *good,* no question -- I keep using it because 
> it's simply the best there is for what I'm doing -- but they seem to be 
> firmly convinced that they know better than the customer.  Although, 
> given my own experience with their largest customers, I can't entirely 
> blame them for that attitude...
>      I did in fact run the logging software through a reverse compiler 
> (the last few years, this vendor has been moving towards writing most of 
> their Windows-side applications in un-obfuscated .NET), but it didn't go 
> anywhere.  This particular app was probably written by a dept that is 
> still sticking to VB6.
>> And no, I don't like Windows at all -- but without feedback
>> from users, they'll never know that their logging software
>> is the pits.
>      To be fair, I really am using this piece of software in ways it 
> wasn't intended -- it wasn't intended as a tool that would see lots of 
> heavy constant use.

Sounds like this company is creating an IMMENSE
business opportunity for anyone who can create
decent test equipment AND

a) be responsive to customer requests
	OR
b) open-source the software
[After all, you're making money on the test
equipment, not the hardware drivers -- something
which massive numbers of hardware manufacturers
utterly fail to comprehend.]


From skyefire at skyefire.org  Thu Mar  3 15:08:17 2011
From: skyefire at skyefire.org (David McMillan)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 15:08:17 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E6B2E@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org><50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E691B@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>	<4D6E36EC.3050009@skyefire.org>
	<50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E6B2E@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <4D6FF531.6010608@skyefire.org>

On 3/3/2011 2:22 PM, Ingles, Raymond wrote:
>
> Well, there's one other option if you can't reverse-engineer the
> handshake. Set up a virtual machine on Linux, running Windows. Run the
> logging software in there. Export the drive so that the Linux host can
> read it. Have the Linux host watch for data files and copy them off
> somewhere safe.
     No good, I'm afraid.  Without a manual intervention pushing 
keys/clicking mouse, the server software produces no files at all -- 
it's all buffered in RAM until the user manually directs the software to 
export a log file.  One side-effect of this is that on occasions where 
I've left the data stream running for too long (as in, tens of minutes), 
my pagefile usage soars until the entire computer chokes.
>
>   Well, if the raw file is just binary floats (with possibly integer
> timestamps) then you'll have some work to do. Write a simple program
> that'll take different 4-byte chunks, interpret them as a float, and
> print them out (possibly with the endianness flipped). Compare the
> values with the numbers in the text file, and see if they match up. If
> so, look at the bytes immediately around the bytes you've identified,
> and see if they can be interpreted as a timestamp. (They should
> increment...)
     Ahhh, yes, I think I see what you're getting at.  Okay, yeah, 
that's the kind of starting point I was looking for.  Thanks!



From skyefire at skyefire.org  Thu Mar  3 15:19:58 2011
From: skyefire at skyefire.org (David McMillan)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 15:19:58 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <4D6FEDA3.7080100@gmail.com>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org>
	<4D6D4C94.9000905@gmail.com>	<4D6E3AF6.5080504@skyefire.org>
	<4D6FEDA3.7080100@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D6FF7EE.2080700@skyefire.org>

On 3/3/2011 2:36 PM, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> Sounds like this company is creating an IMMENSE
> business opportunity for anyone who can create
> decent test equipment AND
>
> a) be responsive to customer requests
> 	OR
> b) open-source the software
> [After all, you're making money on the test
> equipment, not the hardware drivers -- something
> which massive numbers of hardware manufacturers
> utterly fail to comprehend.]
     Yes, it would see fairly intuitive that expanding the flexibility 
of the equipment for end users would almost inevitably increase sales.

     The pushback I see from vendors on this subject generally runs 
along these lines:
1. opening up that level of access and/or releasing that level of 
details makes them vulnerable to reverse-engineering by competitors who 
then can sell a matching product at a lower price point without having 
to recoup the sunk R&D debts of the original developer
2. Doing this generates pressure to divert more of their experienced, 
skilled personnel into tech support roles for weirder and weirder things 
that end users and OEMs keep doing with the original platform, and away 
from doing more profitable R&D.
3. certain classes of "800-lb customers" who start insisting on all 
sorts of customizations and ruffles and flourishes, leading to...
4. severe product fragmentation, the kind of thing that people keep 
complaining about in regards to Android.

     To be fair, I've seen all of these play out in real-world scenarios 
-- there are some actual, concrete reasons for some of this attitude on 
the part of vendors.  I've personally been a victim of the "800-lb 
customer" waving his "you'll never get business from us again" club, and 
didn't have any leverage to push back b/c there were always a half-dozen 
competitors ready to offer 90% of my quality for 80% of the price (the 
purchasing scheme in a lot of corporate America is broken these days -- 
the guys who save money by cutting corners up front are not the ones who 
have to pay the cost of fixing those cut corners later).

     But now I'm REALLY off-topic, so I'd better stop.


From fulner at gmail.com  Thu Mar  3 18:43:29 2011
From: fulner at gmail.com (Robert Jim Fulner)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 18:43:29 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] USB Headset
Message-ID: <AANLkTimZiZUz77XjBu7z-xGnbMNwVG8G+4D4fiqbD5zr@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

I'm thinking about purchasing a USB headset that I can use for making VOiP
phone calls with Google Voice.

Has anyone had any experience with this? Make a suggestion for those that
play nice with GNU/Linux? Anything to avoid?

I will be using this mostly with my desktop, which runs Debian stable, if
that matters.

--
Jim Fulner
The DetroitLibertyPenguin
Promoting Free Minds, Free Markets and Free Software
*and whenever possible Free Beer
*"For as long as one of your brothers is not free, none of you are free"
248-765-7458 (cell)
http://www.facebook.com/jim.fulner


From Stan at mcomputersolutions.com  Thu Mar  3 22:53:26 2011
From: Stan at mcomputersolutions.com (Stan Green)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 22:53:26 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <4D6FF531.6010608@skyefire.org>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org>
	<50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E6B2E@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<4D6FF531.6010608@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <201103032253.26370.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>

On Thursday 03 March 2011 03:08:17 pm David McMillan wrote:
> On 3/3/2011 2:22 PM, Ingles, Raymond wrote:
> > Well, there's one other option if you can't reverse-engineer the
> > handshake. Set up a virtual machine on Linux, running Windows. Run the
> > logging software in there. Export the drive so that the Linux host can
> > read it. Have the Linux host watch for data files and copy them off
> > somewhere safe.
>
>      No good, I'm afraid.  Without a manual intervention pushing
> keys/clicking mouse, the server software produces no files at all --
> it's all buffered in RAM until the user manually directs the software to
> export a log file.  One side-effect of this is that on occasions where
> I've left the data stream running for too long (as in, tens of minutes),
> my pagefile usage soars until the entire computer chokes.
>
If you could allow a timed log dump (e.g. every 5 min.) then you could use a 
product like Autoit (http://www.autoitscript.com/site/autoit/), which is a 
scripted keyboard and mouse simulator,  on the Windows box to dump the log. 
This product can run just about any Windows program from a script. I use it 
every day to do little task and some days to do big ones. It is not open 
source, but it is freeware.
> >   Well, if the raw file is just binary floats (with possibly integer
> > timestamps) then you'll have some work to do. Write a simple program
> > that'll take different 4-byte chunks, interpret them as a float, and
> > print them out (possibly with the endianness flipped). Compare the
> > values with the numbers in the text file, and see if they match up. If
> > so, look at the bytes immediately around the bytes you've identified,
> > and see if they can be interpreted as a timestamp. (They should
> > increment...)
>
>      Ahhh, yes, I think I see what you're getting at.  Okay, yeah,
> that's the kind of starting point I was looking for.  Thanks!
>
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From z_mikowski at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  4 02:53:05 2011
From: z_mikowski at yahoo.com (Michael Mikowski)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 23:53:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [mdlug] USB Headset
Message-ID: <140720.96444.qm@web161318.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi Robert and mdlug-ers:

I did a lot of research last year, and got a FREETALK Everyman USB headset last year for use with Skype, and it works great out of the box. 

My experience has been very good, and I highly recommend this headset for Linux.

http://shop.skype.com/headsets/usb/iss-talk-5115-everyman/


And here's a review:

http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/skype/freetalk-everyman-skype-headset-review.asp


No driver installation necessary.  Just plug it in, and the system recognizes it almost immediately.  This is on Kubuntu 10.10 with KDE 4.5.5, and the output device (actually 4 variations) can be viewed on  System Settings -> Multimedia -> Phonon.  I have used it without a hitch since 9.04 and KDE 4.2+.

If you purchase the headset (mine was delivered in about 3 days), here is what you should be able to do, assuming you are using ALSA:

* plug in the headset
* run alsamixer in a terminal
* press f6 to select the device, and choose "FREETALK Everyman" as your device
* press f4 to select input, and make sure your mic is turned up (press 8 to get 80%)
* press f3 to select output, and make sure your pcm output is turned up (again press 8 to get 80%)
* press escape to exist

* arecord -L will list your PCM devices.  In my case, the device "default:CARD=Everyman" works great
* Record a test file.  Speak into the headset after typing in  arecord -Ddefault:CARD=Everyman -t wav -f cd test.wav
* And play it back through the headset: aplay -Ddefault:CARD=Everyman test.wav 

This should be an excellent choice with Google Voice.

Hope that helps!


Sincerely, Mike







________________________________
From: Robert Jim Fulner <fulner at gmail.com>
To: MDLUG <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2011 3:43 PM
Subject: [mdlug] USB Headset

Dear All,

I'm thinking about purchasing a USB headset that I can use for making VOiP
phone calls with Google Voice.

Has anyone had any experience with this? Make a suggestion for those that
play nice with GNU/Linux? Anything to avoid?

I will be using this mostly with my desktop, which runs Debian stable, if
that matters.

--
Jim Fulner
The DetroitLibertyPenguin
Promoting Free Minds, Free Markets and Free Software
*and whenever possible Free Beer
*"For as long as one of your brothers is not free, none of you are free"
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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Fri Mar  4 08:31:26 2011
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 08:31:26 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <4D6FF531.6010608@skyefire.org>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org><50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E691B@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>	<4D6E36EC.3050009@skyefire.org><50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E6B2E@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<4D6FF531.6010608@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E6B8C@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: David McMillan
> >   Well, if the raw file is just binary floats (with possibly integer
> > timestamps) then you'll have some work to do. Write a simple program
> > that'll take different 4-byte chunks, interpret them as a float, and
> > print them out (possibly with the endianness flipped). Compare the
> > values with the numbers in the text file, and see if they match up.
If
> > so, look at the bytes immediately around the bytes you've
identified,
> > and see if they can be interpreted as a timestamp. (They should
> > increment...)

>      Ahhh, yes, I think I see what you're getting at.  Okay, yeah,
> that's the kind of starting point I was looking for.  Thanks!

 Note that there may be a "header" at the beginning of the file.
Probably lists at least how many columns there are in file...

 Sincerely,

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From rrclark at rrclark.net  Fri Mar  4 08:50:48 2011
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (rrclark at rrclark.net)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 08:50:48 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] USB Headset
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimZiZUz77XjBu7z-xGnbMNwVG8G+4D4fiqbD5zr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimZiZUz77XjBu7z-xGnbMNwVG8G+4D4fiqbD5zr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f0f219158ea9d48cdb67cdf8f304e96d.squirrel@rrclark.net>

> Dear All,
>
> I'm thinking about purchasing a USB headset that I can use for making VOiP
> phone calls with Google Voice.
>
> Has anyone had any experience with this? Make a suggestion for those that
> play nice with GNU/Linux? Anything to avoid?
>
> I will be using this mostly with my desktop, which runs Debian stable, if
> that matters.

Jim:

I'm using Ubuntu Maverick here with a Logitech USB headset, in particular
this model:  http://tinyurl.com/5ton9vr

It works perfectly for your planned use, as I've VOIPed with both Google's
app and with Skype, and used it for many other audio/visual projects here.
It integrates well w/ PulseAudio. I use the headset mainly when
transcribing medical transcription, and the USB passthrough works really
well to connect a USB footpedal to the VMWare virtual Win XP session for
my employer's transcription app. I also use it when gaming on Warcraft,
and use Mangler as a Linux Ventrilo client.

Have fun,

R



From gib at juno.com  Fri Mar  4 19:20:49 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 00:20:49 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Fw: [Discuss] SBS 2000 directory Services failure
Message-ID: <20110304.192049.28103.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com>

FYI

---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: Lorn H Olsen <Lorn at DynaComm.us>
To: For discussing Unix/Linux related topics <discuss at mug.org>
Cc: Wolfgang Franke <Wolfgang at MiCom.net>
Subject: [Discuss] SBS 2000 directory Services failure
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 13:43:00 -0500

MS Specialist,

Does anyone in the group have the ability to resolve my friend Wolfgang's problem?

He needs to know if he can get help, pretty quickly. Discuss compensation with Wolfgang.

You can contact him directly at 248-476-2950 or via his eMail below.

Thanks,
Lorn

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Wolfgang" <Wolfgang at MiCom.net>
> Date: March 4, 2011 12:38:38 PM EST
> 
> I have a Small Business Server 2000 with a failed Directory Services file that has resisted all repair attempts.
> Does anyone know how to reconstruct Directory Services without having to reload the server ?
>  
> Wolfgang

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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  4 20:10:09 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 20:10:09 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] USB Headset
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimZiZUz77XjBu7z-xGnbMNwVG8G+4D4fiqbD5zr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimZiZUz77XjBu7z-xGnbMNwVG8G+4D4fiqbD5zr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D718D71.6020804@gmail.com>

Robert Jim Fulner wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> I'm thinking about purchasing a USB headset that I can use for making VOiP
> phone calls with Google Voice.
> 
> Has anyone had any experience with this? Make a suggestion for those that
> play nice with GNU/Linux? Anything to avoid?
> 
> I will be using this mostly with my desktop, which runs Debian stable, if
> that matters.

Every USB headset (3 models) and USB soundcard (1 model) that
I've run across and tried in a Linux system has worked without
any problems.  The peripherals sector seems to be actually
abiding by some sort of standards, at least minimal standards,
far better than say, 15 years ago.


From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  4 20:14:41 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 20:14:41 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <4D6FF7EE.2080700@skyefire.org>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org>	<4D6D4C94.9000905@gmail.com>	<4D6E3AF6.5080504@skyefire.org>	<4D6FEDA3.7080100@gmail.com>
	<4D6FF7EE.2080700@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <4D718E81.2020508@gmail.com>

David McMillan wrote:
> On 3/3/2011 2:36 PM, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>> Sounds like this company is creating an IMMENSE
>> business opportunity for anyone who can create
>> decent test equipment AND
>>
>> a) be responsive to customer requests
>> 	OR
>> b) open-source the software
>> [After all, you're making money on the test
>> equipment, not the hardware drivers -- something
>> which massive numbers of hardware manufacturers
>> utterly fail to comprehend.]
>      Yes, it would see fairly intuitive that expanding the flexibility 
> of the equipment for end users would almost inevitably increase sales.
> 
>      The pushback I see from vendors on this subject generally runs 
> along these lines:
> 1. opening up that level of access and/or releasing that level of 
> details makes them vulnerable to reverse-engineering by competitors who 
> then can sell a matching product at a lower price point without having 
> to recoup the sunk R&D debts of the original developer
> 2. Doing this generates pressure to divert more of their experienced, 
> skilled personnel into tech support roles for weirder and weirder things 
> that end users and OEMs keep doing with the original platform, and away 
> from doing more profitable R&D.
> 3. certain classes of "800-lb customers" who start insisting on all 
> sorts of customizations and ruffles and flourishes, leading to...
> 4. severe product fragmentation, the kind of thing that people keep 
> complaining about in regards to Android.
> 
>      To be fair, I've seen all of these play out in real-world scenarios 
> -- there are some actual, concrete reasons for some of this attitude on 
> the part of vendors.  I've personally been a victim of the "800-lb 
> customer" waving his "you'll never get business from us again" club, and 
> didn't have any leverage to push back b/c there were always a half-dozen 
> competitors ready to offer 90% of my quality for 80% of the price (the 
> purchasing scheme in a lot of corporate America is broken these days -- 
> the guys who save money by cutting corners up front are not the ones who 
> have to pay the cost of fixing those cut corners later).

This is a basic problem with most current MBA programs...
they're breeding a herd of managers who only care about
their own little fiefdom within the company, but aren't
all that interested in the health and well-being of the
kingdom as a whole.

> 
>      But now I'm REALLY off-topic, so I'd better stop.


It's OK.  There's a reason that after I get back from
Afghanistan, I plan to get out of IT entirely -- and it's
due ENTIRELY to shortsighted management nearly everywhere.


From ldaphelp at thuemmel.com  Fri Mar  4 20:45:23 2011
From: ldaphelp at thuemmel.com (Mark Thuemmel)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 20:45:23 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] USB Headset
In-Reply-To: <f0f219158ea9d48cdb67cdf8f304e96d.squirrel@rrclark.net>
References: <AANLkTimZiZUz77XjBu7z-xGnbMNwVG8G+4D4fiqbD5zr@mail.gmail.com>
	<f0f219158ea9d48cdb67cdf8f304e96d.squirrel@rrclark.net>
Message-ID: <4D7195B3.8040604@thuemmel.com>

On 03/04/2011 08:50 AM, rrclark at rrclark.net wrote:
>> Dear All,
>>
>> I'm thinking about purchasing a USB headset that I can use for making VOiP
>> phone calls with Google Voice.
>>
>> Has anyone had any experience with this? Make a suggestion for those that
>> play nice with GNU/Linux? Anything to avoid?
> 
> Jim:
> 
> I'm using Ubuntu Maverick here with a Logitech USB headset, in particular
> this model:  http://tinyurl.com/5ton9vr
> 
> It works perfectly for your planned use, as I've VOIPed with both Google's
> app and with Skype, and used it for many other audio/visual projects here.
> It integrates well w/ PulseAudio. I use the headset mainly when
> transcribing medical transcription, and the USB passthrough works really
> well to connect a USB footpedal to the VMWare virtual Win XP session for
> my employer's transcription app. I also use it when gaming on Warcraft,
> and use Mangler as a Linux Ventrilo client.

I agree with Rich, the Logitech ClearChat and the USB350 model work
flawlessly with any modern operating system, except, the darn things
hurt people's ears.  Not just my fat head, girls at the office complain
too.  Well, that and they tend to break easily.  The sound quality
(while they work) is way excellent on the mic and headset.

For your desktop, they are fine, even with Skype.  However, for
road-warriors, they break too easily and don't pack well.

Lately I've been gravitating to using a usb->analog converter and using
plain headsets that aren't naturally USB.  A lot more choices available.

At http://tinyurl.com/yc3d8e3 you can get an USB->analog adapter for
$3.65 (including shipping) and use a plain analog headset.  I know my
Ubuntu recognized it automatically.

This gives a lot of flexibility, now my phone and netbook can use the
same headset.

Sure seems like by now, someone would have a cheap usb universal headset
that doesn't break in 90 day and doesn't hurt your head after 20
minutes......if you know of one, I'd like to know where to buy.


From z_mikowski at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  5 01:32:51 2011
From: z_mikowski at yahoo.com (Michael Mikowski)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 22:32:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [mdlug] USB Headset
Message-ID: <922451.12924.qm@web161308.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi Mark:

 I used the FREETALK Everyman USB headset for 2-4 hours a day for about a year, and they were quite comfortable.

Buy here: http://shop.skype.com/headsets/usb/iss-talk-5115-everyman/



________________________________
From: Mark Thuemmel <ldaphelp at thuemmel.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2011 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] USB Headset

...

> Sure seems like by now, someone would have a cheap usb universal headset
> that doesn't break in 90 day and doesn't hurt your head after 20
> minutes......if you know of one, I'd like to know where to buy.
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From fulner at gmail.com  Mon Mar  7 16:30:26 2011
From: fulner at gmail.com (Robert Jim Fulner)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 16:30:26 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] USB Headset
Message-ID: <AANLkTikUji_8wZZqm4VrOhiMs9z8qvc_8DQKEusveTWe@mail.gmail.com>

Wait, am I understanding that I will need to purchase a new USB soundcard
too?

Jim


From z_mikowski at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  7 19:07:07 2011
From: z_mikowski at yahoo.com (Michael Mikowski)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 16:07:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [mdlug] USB Headset
Message-ID: <22190.38930.qm@web161307.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Absolutely not.  The headset will show up as a soundcard in your device list -- at least with the everyman freetalk, and probably with most all others. $29.95 (or less) is all you need to spend.


________________________________
From: Robert Jim Fulner <fulner at gmail.com>
To: MDLUG <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Monday, March 7, 2011 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] USB Headset

Wait, am I understanding that I will need to purchase a new USB soundcard
too?

Jim
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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  7 19:27:38 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 19:27:38 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] USB Headset
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikUji_8wZZqm4VrOhiMs9z8qvc_8DQKEusveTWe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikUji_8wZZqm4VrOhiMs9z8qvc_8DQKEusveTWe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D7577FA.80904@gmail.com>

Robert Jim Fulner wrote:
> Wait, am I understanding that I will need to purchase a new USB soundcard
> too?

No.



From awilliam at opengroupware.us  Tue Mar  8 07:28:45 2011
From: awilliam at opengroupware.us (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 07:28:45 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] USB Headset
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikUji_8wZZqm4VrOhiMs9z8qvc_8DQKEusveTWe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikUji_8wZZqm4VrOhiMs9z8qvc_8DQKEusveTWe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1299587325.8850.4.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 16:30 -0500, Robert Jim Fulner wrote: 
> Wait, am I understanding that I will need to purchase a new USB soundcard
> too?

No, the USB headset *is* a sound "card".

BTW, I've used various USB headsets with openSUSE 11.2/11.3 and they've,
so far, all just-worked.  Just plug it in and right-click on the volume
control, select sound preferences, and they appear in the appropriate
tabs - if you have multiple audio devices you may have to select the one
you want output from.



From gib at juno.com  Wed Mar  9 07:55:47 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 12:55:47 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] [ubuntu-us-mi] job spam
Message-ID: <20110309.075547.15813.1@webmail20.vgs.untd.com>

FYI

---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: Wolfger <wolfger at gmail.com>
To: Ubuntu Michigan Local Community Team <ubuntu-us-mi at lists.ubuntu.com>
Subject: [ubuntu-us-mi] job spam
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 06:11:20 -0500

Sorry to spam the list, but I just ran across this job posting, which
I am regrettably not qualified for. It really impressed me how
open-source oriented they are being.
Feel free to ignore. I won't make a habit of this.

http://jobview.monster.com/GetJob.aspx?JobID=97575991&WT.mc_n=JSATS04&aid=75822304&fwr=true

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From rrclark at rrclark.net  Wed Mar  9 12:46:14 2011
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (rrclark at rrclark.net)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 12:46:14 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] USB Headset
In-Reply-To: <22190.38930.qm@web161307.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <22190.38930.qm@web161307.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a207efdb4addc24f5cecb80200f10cf3.squirrel@rrclark.net>

> Absolutely not.  The headset will show up as a soundcard in your device
> list

Concur. When installing a set of USB headphones, no matter the brand that
I've used, and I've used several, they all show up as a separate sound
device, apart from the system's native hardware. You'll find selections in
most any pulseaudio-aware software that should allow you to choose your
default output device.



From mrorourke at earthlink.net  Wed Mar  9 15:31:49 2011
From: mrorourke at earthlink.net (Michael ORourke)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 15:31:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [mdlug] rsync scenarios
Message-ID: <8476280.1299702709487.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Lug Nuts,

I have a couple of scenarios that I was trying to figure out.

First scenario...
What happens if you execute multiple rsync processes against the same directory at about the same time.  Will it cause problems?

Suppose you have an automated process, that checks a directory on Srv-1/dir1, then fires off a rsync process to Srv-2/dir1, what happens if the first rsync doesn't finish before another rsync process is fired off?  Ideally, I would like to have it wait, then re-execute or throw an error (rsync in process or something).  Of course I could write a wrapper script that sets a lockfile when the rsync process starts, and clears it when it finishes.  So I could guarantee that only one rsync process is running at a given time.

Another scenario...  what if you have a process that is writing to a file on Srv-1, but hasn't completed yet when the first rsync process fires off?  Does that file get skipped, or does it get partially rsync'd?

Anyone know how rsync handles these 2 different scenarios?

Thanks,
Mike



From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Wed Mar  9 16:48:31 2011
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 16:48:31 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] rsync scenarios
In-Reply-To: <8476280.1299702709487.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <8476280.1299702709487.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim7bDTJ_vKPwCU7=yW31Zns4rLxV0Je0iwuMW2e@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Michael ORourke <mrorourke at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Lug Nuts,
>
> I have a couple of scenarios that I was trying to figure out.
>
> First scenario...
> What happens if you execute multiple rsync processes against the same directory at about the same time. ?Will it cause problems?
>

I haven't used rsync much but IIRC, rsync has a daemon mode.  Perhaps
you could use that to handle the target directory and have rsync
clients connect to it.


From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Wed Mar  9 18:10:31 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 18:10:31 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] rsync scenarios
In-Reply-To: <8476280.1299702709487.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <8476280.1299702709487.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4D7808E7.4080509@gmail.com>

Michael ORourke wrote:
> Lug Nuts,
> 
> I have a couple of scenarios that I was trying to figure out.
> 
> First scenario...
> What happens if you execute multiple rsync processes against the same directory at about the same time.  Will it cause problems?
> 


What experiments have you conducted, and what were the results?

> Suppose you have an automated process, that checks a directory on Srv-1/dir1, then fires off a rsync process to Srv-2/dir1, what happens if the first rsync doesn't finish before another rsync process is fired off?  Ideally, I would like to have it wait, then re-execute or throw an error (rsync in process or something).  Of course I could write a wrapper script that sets a lockfile when the rsync process starts, and clears it when it finishes.  So I could guarantee that only one rsync process is running at a given time.
> 
> Another scenario...  what if you have a process that is writing to a file on Srv-1, but hasn't completed yet when the first rsync process fires off?  Does that file get skipped, or does it get partially rsync'd?
> 
> Anyone know how rsync handles these 2 different scenarios?

The best way to find out is to create some large files, run a
script which starts one rsync process asynchronously (put
an '&' at the end of the command -- the script will continue
on to the next command WITHOUT waiting for the &'ed command
to finish -- for more information, look in the sh, ksh, csh,
bash or tcsh manual), and then look at the results you get.


But in general, the rule is most likely this:

If two rsync processes are READING from the same location(s),
but WRITING to different locations, then everything should
be safe.  In any other scenario (both writing to the same
paths and/or  one writing to the same place another is reading
from), then you risk a race condition which is destructive.

> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
> 
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From awilliam at opengroupware.us  Thu Mar 10 07:54:56 2011
From: awilliam at opengroupware.us (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:54:56 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] rsync scenarios
In-Reply-To: <4D7808E7.4080509@gmail.com>
References: <8476280.1299702709487.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<4D7808E7.4080509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1299761696.11219.25.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Wed, 2011-03-09 at 18:10 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote: 
> Michael ORourke wrote:
> > Lug Nuts,
> > I have a couple of scenarios that I was trying to figure out.
> > First scenario...
> > What happens if you execute multiple rsync processes against the same directory at about the same time.  Will it cause problems?

Yes, in general filesystems are bad for concurrent access [unless the
*application* is smart enough to make provisions for it].

> > Suppose you have an automated process, that checks a directory on Srv-1/dir1, 
> > then fires off a rsync process to Srv-2/dir1, what happens if the first rsync 
> > doesn't finish before another rsync process is fired off? 

You end up with two concurrent rsync's running.  Which may not hurt
anything, but falls into the "undefined behavior" category.

> > Ideally, I would like to have it wait, then re-execute or throw an 
> > error (rsync in process or something).  Of course I could write a
> > wrapper script that sets a lockfile when the rsync process starts,
> > and clears it when it finishes.  So I could guarantee that only one
> >  rsync process is running at a given time.

+1

> > Another scenario...  what if you have a process that is writing to a
> > file on Srv-1, but hasn't completed yet when the first rsync process
> > fires off?  Does that file get skipped, or does it get partially
> > rsync'd?

Partial,  filesystem backups *always* require applications to be
quiescent.

> > Anyone know how rsync handles these 2 different scenarios?

Simply, it doesn't.  The only safe scenario would be if rsync attempted
to acquire an exclusive lock on its current files of interest during the
process;  I checked once upon a time an rsync didn't seem to file-lock
at all.  

Of course there is the related issue of two separate files whose
contents are correlated: A & B.  rsync copies B, application writes to A
& B, rsync copies A.  When you try to use those files from your backup
the app just pukes mysteriously.  

rsync is an awesome tool, I'm not knocking it, I use it, but it is what
it is - a filesystem level too.  Since the filesystem doesn't understand
the applications / sites data-model... the resulting copy may be
inconsistent unless external provisions are made to prevent that
condition [because *you* know about the applications / sites
data-model].

> But in general, the rule is most likely this:
> If two rsync processes are READING from the same location(s),
> but WRITING to different locations, then everything should
> be safe.  In any other scenario (both writing to the same
> paths and/or  one writing to the same place another is reading
> from), then you risk a race condition which is destructive.

I think the condition that results, more likely that a race, is just
scrambled data.



From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 11 00:41:36 2011
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 00:41:36 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] The beginning of the end for Wintel?
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=rRENDuJ=n_T7=ZcSJQz6+hAmYL-826TVF+jwE@mail.gmail.com>

A "Tegra 2" system-on-a chip (SoC) dual-core ARM-based micro-desktop
that runs Ubuntu or Android 3.0 is about to be released (by the end of
April, according to the developers).  Despite its small size, it seems
to be packed with features.  For many people, this would be enough
computer to do what they need...
<http://mrpogson.com/2011/03/10/april-2011-the-month-the-desktop-changes>

NVIDIA's founder says that this is just the beginning--the successors
to the current-generation Tegra chips will be ever-more-powerful, yet
still highly efficient.
<http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/04/idUS1863188220110304>

For example, the quad-core "Tegra 3"--code-name Kal-El--is due this summer.
<http://pocketnow.com/android/nvidia-quad-core-kal-el-in-android-devices-this-summer>

Texas Instruments isn't standing still, either--though *their*
quad-core ARM SoC takes a substantially different approach.
<http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile/display/20110207230609_Texas_Instruments_Reveals_Quad_Core_2GHz_ARM_SoC_with_Stereo_3D_Support.html>

I predict interesting times ahead for all of us, including Intel and
Microsoft.  The Sandy Bridge fabrication glitch HAS to hurt--and I
predict that Windows-on-ARM will be too little, too late..
<http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2378975,00.asp>

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
   My Linux blog: http://Linux-SIG.blogspot.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey


From tony at bemushosting.com  Fri Mar 11 22:31:37 2011
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 22:31:37 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] March Meeting Reminder (3/12/11) - web-cast?
Message-ID: <1299900697.2634.13.camel@tony-laptop>

Hello everyone,
   Sorry this is last minute but here is what we expect to do for the
March meeting, this Saturday 3/12/11. 
   Get your webcams and your microphones because we are testing our web
based video conferencing server.  If you are unable to join the meeting
in person check out our web-cast meeting server http://blue.mdlug.org We
will be in the demo meeting. 
   We will have a discussion on Penguicon - any ideas on what we can
contribute to the weekend,  Past discussions lead us to agree on
presenting something.  We can start planning and taking volunteers.
   We will also discuss the new web conferencing server running Big Blue
Button http://www.bigbluebutton.org.  I would like to stress that we are
still in testing and we need feedback on what is working and not
working.  I will also be on IRC so if something isn't working or you get
disconnected for some reason then you still communicate there.  connect
to the irc.freenode.net server and join the #mdlug channel or for the
web client http://www.mdlug.org/irc.html 
   Maybe Mat Enders will have a Tech Tip?  or did someone else
volunteer?

Tony Bemus
MDLUG Sectary and Webmaster



From gib at juno.com  Fri Mar 11 22:44:40 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 03:44:40 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] March Meeting Reminder (3/12/11) - web-cast?
Message-ID: <20110311.224440.28316.2@webmail04.vgs.untd.com>

Thank yo Tony.  I asked one of the guys at work to connect up. Hopefully he will.

Penguicon - they would like us to put the blue server inside their network at the hotel.   I'm thinking I can bring an extra computer too.  They have a locked room.  Or we can put it in our crash room - but they may not be able to connect us.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: [mdlug] March Meeting Reminder (3/12/11) - web-cast?
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 22:31:37 -0500

Hello everyone,
   Sorry this is last minute but here is what we expect to do for the
March meeting, this Saturday 3/12/11. 
   Get your webcams and your microphones because we are testing our web
based video conferencing server.  If you are unable to join the meeting
in person check out our web-cast meeting server http://blue.mdlug.org We
will be in the demo meeting. 
   We will have a discussion on Penguicon - any ideas on what we can
contribute to the weekend,  Past discussions lead us to agree on
presenting something.  We can start planning and taking volunteers.
   We will also discuss the new web conferencing server running Big Blue
Button http://www.bigbluebutton.org.  I would like to stress that we are
still in testing and we need feedback on what is working and not
working.  I will also be on IRC so if something isn't working or you get
disconnected for some reason then you still communicate there.  connect
to the irc.freenode.net server and join the #mdlug channel or for the
web client http://www.mdlug.org/irc.html 
   Maybe Mat Enders will have a Tech Tip?  or did someone else
volunteer?

Tony Bemus
MDLUG Sectary and Webmaster

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From carl at carltm.com  Sat Mar 12 14:32:10 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:32:10 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
Message-ID: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

I've been using sendmail exclusively for the MTA on
servers and workstations.  Now I'm setting up a new
workstation and thinking of trying something new.

So I'm looking for feedback...exim or postfix, and why?

c




From mrorourke at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 13 12:55:01 2011
From: mrorourke at earthlink.net (Michael ORourke)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 12:55:01 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
References: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <F60204D54A014309B77401B7B6B2A646@homepc>

Postfix!

I've never been a big fan of sendmail.  It's configuration files give me a 
headache just looking at them.
Postfix configs seem a lot easier for mere mortals to deal with, well 
documented, and easier to understand.  Now I haven't spent much time with 
exim, so I am a bit biased towards postfix.  I guess I can't really compare 
and contrast the two, but I would recommend taking a closer look at postfix.

On a side note, I've been working a lot recently with CentOS and it's 
default MTA is sendmail (as I reach for the Advil bottle). ;-)

-Mike


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carl T. Miller" <carl at carltm.com>
To: "MDLUG List" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 3:32 PM
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?


> I've been using sendmail exclusively for the MTA on
> servers and workstations.  Now I'm setting up a new
> workstation and thinking of trying something new.
>
> So I'm looking for feedback...exim or postfix, and why?
>
> c
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


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From mrorourke at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 13 13:07:08 2011
From: mrorourke at earthlink.net (Michael ORourke)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:07:08 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] rsync scenarios
References: <8476280.1299702709487.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net><4D7808E7.4080509@gmail.com>
	<1299761696.11219.25.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
Message-ID: <DD2D1C6EF2084DB0A9C3229EEF6F792F@homepc>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Tauno Williams" <awilliam at opengroupware.us>
To: <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] rsync scenarios


> On Wed, 2011-03-09 at 18:10 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>> Michael ORourke wrote:
>> > Lug Nuts,
>> > I have a couple of scenarios that I was trying to figure out.
>> > First scenario...
>> > What happens if you execute multiple rsync processes against the same 
>> > directory at about the same time.  Will it cause problems?
>
> Yes, in general filesystems are bad for concurrent access [unless the
> *application* is smart enough to make provisions for it].
>
>> > Suppose you have an automated process, that checks a directory on 
>> > Srv-1/dir1,
>> > then fires off a rsync process to Srv-2/dir1, what happens if the first 
>> > rsync
>> > doesn't finish before another rsync process is fired off?
>
> You end up with two concurrent rsync's running.  Which may not hurt
> anything, but falls into the "undefined behavior" category.
>

Yep, better to stay away from that category.

>> > Ideally, I would like to have it wait, then re-execute or throw an
>> > error (rsync in process or something).  Of course I could write a
>> > wrapper script that sets a lockfile when the rsync process starts,
>> > and clears it when it finishes.  So I could guarantee that only one
>> >  rsync process is running at a given time.
>
> +1
>

I guess +1 is good, unless it's the return code.

>> > Another scenario...  what if you have a process that is writing to a
>> > file on Srv-1, but hasn't completed yet when the first rsync process
>> > fires off?  Does that file get skipped, or does it get partially
>> > rsync'd?
>
> Partial,  filesystem backups *always* require applications to be
> quiescent.
>
>> > Anyone know how rsync handles these 2 different scenarios?
>
> Simply, it doesn't.  The only safe scenario would be if rsync attempted
> to acquire an exclusive lock on its current files of interest during the
> process;  I checked once upon a time an rsync didn't seem to file-lock
> at all.
>

Good to know.  I guess it is better to assume that it doesn't, then to 
assume it does.

> Of course there is the related issue of two separate files whose
> contents are correlated: A & B.  rsync copies B, application writes to A
> & B, rsync copies A.  When you try to use those files from your backup
> the app just pukes mysteriously.
>
> rsync is an awesome tool, I'm not knocking it, I use it, but it is what
> it is - a filesystem level too.  Since the filesystem doesn't understand
> the applications / sites data-model... the resulting copy may be
> inconsistent unless external provisions are made to prevent that
> condition [because *you* know about the applications / sites
> data-model].
>
>> But in general, the rule is most likely this:
>> If two rsync processes are READING from the same location(s),
>> but WRITING to different locations, then everything should
>> be safe.  In any other scenario (both writing to the same
>> paths and/or  one writing to the same place another is reading
>> from), then you risk a race condition which is destructive.
>
> I think the condition that results, more likely that a race, is just
> scrambled data.

Well, I like my data scrambled with a side of bacon, but not in the 
production environment.

Thanks for the comments.  -Mike

>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


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From awilliam at opengroupware.us  Sun Mar 13 12:23:19 2011
From: awilliam at opengroupware.us (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 12:23:19 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
In-Reply-To: <F60204D54A014309B77401B7B6B2A646@homepc>
References: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<F60204D54A014309B77401B7B6B2A646@homepc>
Message-ID: <1300033399.12205.1.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 12:55 -0400, Michael ORourke wrote:
> On a side note, I've been working a lot recently with CentOS and it's 
> default MTA is sendmail (as I reach for the Advil bottle). ;-)

yum install system-switch-mail




From mark.stanislav at gmail.com  Sun Mar 13 13:27:35 2011
From: mark.stanislav at gmail.com (Mark Stanislav)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:27:35 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
In-Reply-To: <1300033399.12205.1.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
References: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<F60204D54A014309B77401B7B6B2A646@homepc>
	<1300033399.12205.1.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
Message-ID: <96D7FA45-C73F-4C00-BA9C-14405FA102D5@gmail.com>

RHEL 6 now defaults to Postfix instead of Sendmail.

On Mar 13, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

> On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 12:55 -0400, Michael ORourke wrote:
>> On a side note, I've been working a lot recently with CentOS and it's 
>> default MTA is sendmail (as I reach for the Advil bottle). ;-)
> 
> yum install system-switch-mail
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From ldaphelp at thuemmel.com  Sun Mar 13 13:40:31 2011
From: ldaphelp at thuemmel.com (Mark Thuemmel)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:40:31 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
In-Reply-To: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <4D7D018F.70804@thuemmel.com>

On 03/12/2011 02:32 PM, Carl T. Miller wrote:
> I've been using sendmail exclusively for the MTA on
> servers and workstations.  Now I'm setting up a new
> workstation and thinking of trying something new.
> 
> So I'm looking for feedback...exim or postfix, and why?

Postfix

I started with Sendmail in the 90s, but switched about 8 years ago to
postfix.  I find postfix easier to work with.

I'd say Postfix maybe easier to configure, maybe more secure, more
modern, more modular.

But if you are already experienced with Sendmail, you might just stick
to it unless you have something you can't get it to do.

Using the default MTA of your distro makes sense too.


From lugnuts at doehler.us  Sun Mar 13 14:13:43 2011
From: lugnuts at doehler.us (Joe Doehler)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 14:13:43 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
In-Reply-To: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <4D7D0957.8060000@doehler.us>

On 3/12/2011 2:32 PM, Carl T. Miller wrote:
> I've been using sendmail exclusively for the MTA on
> servers and workstations.  Now I'm setting up a new
> workstation and thinking of trying something new.
>
> So I'm looking for feedback...exim or postfix, and why?
>
> c

I use Exim. The reason I picked it is that I found it easy to add C-code 
that examines a sender return address and to reject the unwanted ones at 
the SMTP level, before the body of the e-mail is transmitted.

Joe.


From carl at carltm.com  Sun Mar 13 15:57:05 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 15:57:05 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
In-Reply-To: <4D7D0957.8060000@doehler.us>
References: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<4D7D0957.8060000@doehler.us>
Message-ID: <443396cd104e9e75402361f38abab4b3.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Joe Doehler wrote:
>> So I'm looking for feedback...exim or postfix, and why?
>
> I use Exim. The reason I picked it is that I found it easy to add C-code
> that examines a sender return address and to reject the unwanted ones at
> the SMTP level, before the body of the e-mail is transmitted.


That reminds me.  I use procmail rules on a few systems.
Are exim and postfix compatible with procmail?  Or do they
have an easy way to launch a shell script when a specific
email message arrives?

c




From mrorourke at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 13 17:02:01 2011
From: mrorourke at earthlink.net (Michael ORourke)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:02:01 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
Message-ID: <17172896.1300050121982.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Thanks for the tip.  -Mike

-----Original Message-----
>From: Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam at opengroupware.us>
>Sent: Mar 13, 2011 12:23 PM
>To: mdlug at mdlug.org
>Subject: Re: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
>
>On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 12:55 -0400, Michael ORourke wrote:
>> On a side note, I've been working a lot recently with CentOS and it's 
>> default MTA is sendmail (as I reach for the Advil bottle). ;-)
>
>yum install system-switch-mail
>
>
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From awilliam at opengroupware.us  Sun Mar 13 16:38:51 2011
From: awilliam at opengroupware.us (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 16:38:51 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
In-Reply-To: <443396cd104e9e75402361f38abab4b3.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<4D7D0957.8060000@doehler.us>
	<443396cd104e9e75402361f38abab4b3.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <1300048731.12205.6.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 15:57 -0400, Carl T. Miller wrote:
> Joe Doehler wrote:
> >> So I'm looking for feedback...exim or postfix, and why?
> > I use Exim. The reason I picked it is that I found it easy to add C-code
> > that examines a sender return address and to reject the unwanted ones at
> > the SMTP level, before the body of the e-mail is transmitted.
> That reminds me.  I use procmail rules on a few systems.
> Are exim and postfix compatible with procmail?  

Yes.

> Or do they
> have an easy way to launch a shell script when a specific
> email message arrives?

You can built your own milters [just like with sendmail].

Although my advice is always to ditch procmail and associated hacks and
move to LMTP delivery to a backend that support SIEVE.



From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Mon Mar 14 10:15:54 2011
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:15:54 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
In-Reply-To: <F60204D54A014309B77401B7B6B2A646@homepc>
References: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<F60204D54A014309B77401B7B6B2A646@homepc>
Message-ID: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E7115@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Michael ORourke

> I've never been a big fan of sendmail.  It's configuration files give
me a
> headache just looking at them.

I'm not in favor of a config-file format that's Turing-complete. (In
other words, you could - theoretically - program a copy of sendmail *in*
the sendmail configuration language.)

There are arguments in favor of this, I suppose - flexibility being the
main one - but I'm a fan of the Unix principle of "do one thing well".

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                                    (313)
227-2317

 "I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom
of the
 people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by
violent
             and sudden usurpations." - James Madison, 1788

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From radkins at impelind.com  Mon Mar 14 10:47:40 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:47:40 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
In-Reply-To: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E7115@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com><F60204D54A014309B77401B7B6B2A646@homepc>
	<50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E7115@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <39FBAC2D2A894B049253D1CEDEE53B3D@Delta7>


Postfix is designed to be secure from the beginning of its development, at
least per the original developer of the system.

It's easy to configure and is supported in a few different GUI based
configuration program systems.

-Rob
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Ingles, Raymond
> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 10:16 AM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
> 
> > From: Michael ORourke
> 
> > I've never been a big fan of sendmail.  It's configuration 
> files give
> me a
> > headache just looking at them.
> 
> I'm not in favor of a config-file format that's 
> Turing-complete. (In other words, you could - theoretically - 
> program a copy of sendmail *in* the sendmail configuration language.)
> 
> There are arguments in favor of this, I suppose - flexibility 
> being the main one - but I'm a fan of the Unix principle of 
> "do one thing well".
> 
>  Sincerely,
> 
>  Ray Ingles                                                    (313)
> 227-2317
> 
>  "I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of 
> the freedom of the  people by gradual and silent 
> encroachments of those in power than by violent
>              and sudden usurpations." - James Madison, 1788
> 
> The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named 
> addressee only. It contains information that may be 
> confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an 
> authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose 
> it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify 
> us immediately and then destroy it.
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From radkins at impelind.com  Mon Mar 14 13:13:43 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 13:13:43 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] External HDs - Any with RAID 1 Support?
Message-ID: <F55516D1C88B41BEB1FD6C0BF8304EEF@Delta7>

I have a friend looking to store a shedload of MP3s and he is concerned with
keeping his data without making tape backups.
 
I would like to suggest a RAID 1 setup in an external drive kit. Is there
anything like this available on the market? Preferably with a USB
connection?
 
Thanks,
Rob


From mark.stanislav at gmail.com  Mon Mar 14 13:16:35 2011
From: mark.stanislav at gmail.com (Mark Stanislav)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 13:16:35 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] External HDs - Any with RAID 1 Support?
In-Reply-To: <F55516D1C88B41BEB1FD6C0BF8304EEF@Delta7>
References: <F55516D1C88B41BEB1FD6C0BF8304EEF@Delta7>
Message-ID: <446525D6-4F8C-4487-836F-E1D935E1166F@gmail.com>

http://www.drobo.com/

On Mar 14, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Robert Adkins II wrote:

> I have a friend looking to store a shedload of MP3s and he is concerned with
> keeping his data without making tape backups.
> 
> I would like to suggest a RAID 1 setup in an external drive kit. Is there
> anything like this available on the market? Preferably with a USB
> connection?
> 
> Thanks,
> Rob
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From danno at umich.edu  Mon Mar 14 14:39:49 2011
From: danno at umich.edu (Dan Pritts)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:39:49 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
In-Reply-To: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <EFA438A2-0A53-4F11-9081-D6AE834231DC@umich.edu>

I briefly considered exim before choosing postfix.

I don't remember what i didn't like about exim, but i like postfix's 
modular design and find it really simple to configure.  

I used to be a sendmail expert, at least by some lame local standard
of expertise.  I finally gave up about 8 years ago when i started
here at internet2.

if you need to do UUCP or something even more goofball, 
sendmail might be your best bet.  Otherwise, fuhgeddaboutit.

On Mar 12, 2011, at 2:32 PM, Carl T. Miller wrote:
> I've been using sendmail exclusively for the MTA on
> servers and workstations.  Now I'm setting up a new
> workstation and thinking of trying something new.
> 
> So I'm looking for feedback...exim or postfix, and why?



From danno at umich.edu  Mon Mar 14 14:40:52 2011
From: danno at umich.edu (Dan Pritts)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:40:52 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] External HDs - Any with RAID 1 Support?
In-Reply-To: <F55516D1C88B41BEB1FD6C0BF8304EEF@Delta7>
References: <F55516D1C88B41BEB1FD6C0BF8304EEF@Delta7>
Message-ID: <1F7E6A33-834C-441C-9A1A-43FF46C69887@umich.edu>

RAID is useful but is not a replacement for backups.

I'd recommend two separate drives and some sort of automated backup software.

On Mar 14, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Robert Adkins II wrote:

> I have a friend looking to store a shedload of MP3s and he is concerned with
> keeping his data without making tape backups.
> 
> I would like to suggest a RAID 1 setup in an external drive kit. Is there
> anything like this available on the market? Preferably with a USB
> connection?



From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 14 14:56:12 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:56:12 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] External HDs - Any with RAID 1 Support?
In-Reply-To: <1F7E6A33-834C-441C-9A1A-43FF46C69887@umich.edu>
References: <F55516D1C88B41BEB1FD6C0BF8304EEF@Delta7>
	<1F7E6A33-834C-441C-9A1A-43FF46C69887@umich.edu>
Message-ID: <4D7E64CC.4040606@gmail.com>

Dan Pritts wrote:
> RAID is useful but is not a replacement for backups.

Absolutely correct.

RAID is for reducing the problems caused by hardware failure
so as to give extended system uptime.

Raid will NOT bring back your mistakenly-deleted file,
because when you delete it on the primary image, it
gets deleted out of the mirror and/or parity bits, too.

If you have to chose ONLY ONE (due to budgetary concerns),
your number one priority should be system backups.

Now note... you can USE RAID software (partition mirroring)
as a METHOD of accomplishing a backup on a live system
1. attach backup disk
2. enable mirror & start synchronization process
3. If any database (or similar app which requires a
   set of files to be mutually consistent) is running,
	shut it down
4. disable mirror (OS will perform a filesystem sync
	so that the mirror is in a consistent state
	before taking it offline.)
5. Restart databases and other apps.
> 
> I'd recommend two separate drives and some sort of automated backup software.
> 

Sounds good to me.  Tapes are getting ridiculously expensive
these days.

> On Mar 14, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Robert Adkins II wrote:
> 
>> I have a friend looking to store a shedload of MP3s and he is concerned with
>> keeping his data without making tape backups.
>>
>> I would like to suggest a RAID 1 setup in an external drive kit. Is there
>> anything like this available on the market? Preferably with a USB
>> connection?
> 


From z_mikowski at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 14 17:06:49 2011
From: z_mikowski at yahoo.com (Michael Mikowski)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:06:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
Message-ID: <433692.63278.qm@web161312.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I can't speak to exim, but postfix is purposely built to have a sendmail configuration "flavor".  
That may be an important consideration given your experience with sendmail.

Thankfully, however, postfix config files are simple text.  No need for m4, et. al.

Cheers, Mike 



________________________________
From: Carl T. Miller <carl at carltm.com>
To: MDLUG List <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:32 AM
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?

I've been using sendmail exclusively for the MTA on
servers and workstations.  Now I'm setting up a new
workstation and thinking of trying something new.

So I'm looking for feedback...exim or postfix, and why?

c


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From mrorourke at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 14 19:27:07 2011
From: mrorourke at earthlink.net (Michael ORourke)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:27:07 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] External HDs - Any with RAID 1 Support?
References: <F55516D1C88B41BEB1FD6C0BF8304EEF@Delta7>
Message-ID: <8FB03EA45B3A4E0AAC282555FF7474B6@homepc>

Something like this NAS device could work pretty well.
http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=509
However, it is not designed to be connected via USB.

If you really want to do USB, then something like this might be a better 
choice:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Macally-Nsa2s350nas-3-5-Dual-Sata-Usb2-0-netwo-/330533916716?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf55b502c
You would still need to purchase hard drives, but he could keep the total 
cost around $150-250, depending on how much space he needs.

Someone else mentioned a Drobo, which could also be a great solution.  But 
they seem overpriced to me, even the used ones selling on eBay.

-Mike


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com>
To: "'MDLUG's Main discussion list'" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 1:13 PM
Subject: [mdlug] External HDs - Any with RAID 1 Support?


>I have a friend looking to store a shedload of MP3s and he is concerned 
>with
> keeping his data without making tape backups.
>
> I would like to suggest a RAID 1 setup in an external drive kit. Is there
> anything like this available on the market? Preferably with a USB
> connection?
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
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From mrorourke at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 14 19:47:22 2011
From: mrorourke at earthlink.net (Michael ORourke)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:47:22 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] External HDs - Any with RAID 1 Support?
References: <F55516D1C88B41BEB1FD6C0BF8304EEF@Delta7><1F7E6A33-834C-441C-9A1A-43FF46C69887@umich.edu>
	<4D7E64CC.4040606@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EDFF93E8DB7346C09E42BE2156A8F7BD@homepc>

But keep in mind, he is just storing MP3's on the external RAID1 device.
I'm sure it won't matter if he loses a file now and then.  Probably wouldn't 
even notice.

-Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aaron Kulkis" <akulkis00 at gmail.com>
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] External HDs - Any with RAID 1 Support?


> Dan Pritts wrote:
>> RAID is useful but is not a replacement for backups.
>
> Absolutely correct.
>
> RAID is for reducing the problems caused by hardware failure
> so as to give extended system uptime.
>
> Raid will NOT bring back your mistakenly-deleted file,
> because when you delete it on the primary image, it
> gets deleted out of the mirror and/or parity bits, too.
>
> If you have to chose ONLY ONE (due to budgetary concerns),
> your number one priority should be system backups.
>
> Now note... you can USE RAID software (partition mirroring)
> as a METHOD of accomplishing a backup on a live system
> 1. attach backup disk
> 2. enable mirror & start synchronization process
> 3. If any database (or similar app which requires a
>   set of files to be mutually consistent) is running,
> shut it down
> 4. disable mirror (OS will perform a filesystem sync
> so that the mirror is in a consistent state
> before taking it offline.)
> 5. Restart databases and other apps.
>>
>> I'd recommend two separate drives and some sort of automated backup 
>> software.
>>
>
> Sounds good to me.  Tapes are getting ridiculously expensive
> these days.
>
>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Robert Adkins II wrote:
>>
>>> I have a friend looking to store a shedload of MP3s and he is concerned 
>>> with
>>> keeping his data without making tape backups.
>>>
>>> I would like to suggest a RAID 1 setup in an external drive kit. Is 
>>> there
>>> anything like this available on the market? Preferably with a USB
>>> connection?
>>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


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From robert.citek at gmail.com  Mon Mar 14 19:48:37 2011
From: robert.citek at gmail.com (Robert Citek)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:48:37 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] External HDs - Any with RAID 1 Support?
In-Reply-To: <F55516D1C88B41BEB1FD6C0BF8304EEF@Delta7>
References: <F55516D1C88B41BEB1FD6C0BF8304EEF@Delta7>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinEX46mXH-RUe+P7Tk9PQ3B-r6fHpFODNFAyaO1@mail.gmail.com>

How tech-savvy is this individual?

Two SATA drives + one SATA/USB/eSATA dock[1] + rsync

rsync computer to disk1.  Then rsync disk1 to disk2.

[1] http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0335291

Regards,
- Robert

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Robert Adkins II <radkins at impelind.com> wrote:
> I have a friend looking to store a shedload of MP3s and he is concerned with
> keeping his data without making tape backups.
>
> I would like to suggest a RAID 1 setup in an external drive kit. Is there
> anything like this available on the market? Preferably with a USB
> connection?
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>


From dobwan at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 14 21:14:16 2011
From: dobwan at earthlink.net (Duane Brown)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:14:16 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] External HDs - Any with RAID 1 Support?
In-Reply-To: <EDFF93E8DB7346C09E42BE2156A8F7BD@homepc>
References: <F55516D1C88B41BEB1FD6C0BF8304EEF@Delta7><1F7E6A33-834C-441C-9A1A-43FF46C69887@umich.edu>	<4D7E64CC.4040606@gmail.com>
	<EDFF93E8DB7346C09E42BE2156A8F7BD@homepc>
Message-ID: <4D7EBD68.8090503@earthlink.net>

check buy.com I saw a 2TB NAS I think Buffalo is the brand for the $250 
range, it might even have been $150. I remember thinking it was one HECK 
of a great deal.

Duane O. Brown

On 03/14/2011 07:47 PM, Michael ORourke wrote:
> But keep in mind, he is just storing MP3's on the external RAID1 device.
> I'm sure it won't matter if he loses a file now and then.  Probably wouldn't
> even notice.
>
> -Mike


From tesral at wowway.com  Mon Mar 14 23:37:07 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:37:07 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] External HDs - Any with RAID 1 Support?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinEX46mXH-RUe+P7Tk9PQ3B-r6fHpFODNFAyaO1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F55516D1C88B41BEB1FD6C0BF8304EEF@Delta7>
	<AANLkTinEX46mXH-RUe+P7Tk9PQ3B-r6fHpFODNFAyaO1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D7EDEE3.80905@wowway.com>

Robert Citek wrote:
> How tech-savvy is this individual?
>
> Two SATA drives + one SATA/USB/eSATA dock[1] + rsync
>
> rsync computer to disk1.  Then rsync disk1 to disk2.
>   
On Phoenix I do backups on a pair of JBOD disks with rsync of /home. 
Secondary backup to an external same deal.  Maestro my stereo has a RAID
1 array.  Very little ever gets deleted, just added.  I have over 300
CDs ripped in wave.  I do not want to do that twice.  The only reason
for the RAID.  backup is supplied by the 300 odd original disks. 
Thinker runs naked.  Phoenix is the backup. 


-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From radkins at impelind.com  Tue Mar 15 15:17:07 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:17:07 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] External HDs - Any with RAID 1 Support?
In-Reply-To: <1F7E6A33-834C-441C-9A1A-43FF46C69887@umich.edu>
References: <F55516D1C88B41BEB1FD6C0BF8304EEF@Delta7>
	<1F7E6A33-834C-441C-9A1A-43FF46C69887@umich.edu>
Message-ID: <BC278C17FCD2491C95AD64769CDD56B6@Delta7>

I know.

It's a guy running Windows for his business and pleasure who is far more
happy tearing apart entire automobiles than bothering to learn all this
complicated lingo and mumbo-jumbo of building highly available and redundant
backup systems.

Thanks,
Rob

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Dan Pritts
> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 2:41 PM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] External HDs - Any with RAID 1 Support?
> 
> RAID is useful but is not a replacement for backups.
> 
> I'd recommend two separate drives and some sort of automated 
> backup software.
> 
> On Mar 14, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Robert Adkins II wrote:
> 
> > I have a friend looking to store a shedload of MP3s and he is 
> > concerned with keeping his data without making tape backups.
> > 
> > I would like to suggest a RAID 1 setup in an external drive kit. Is 
> > there anything like this available on the market? Preferably with a 
> > USB connection?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> 



From mat.enders at gmail.com  Tue Mar 15 15:27:39 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (Mat Enders)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:27:39 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] some packages not updating
Message-ID: <AANLkTikAGN102FTUpp4Dc6obfWgo-8mM-SXLPohk3RsP@mail.gmail.com>

When I try yo update or upgrade with yum some packages are not updating:

[root at SHODAN ~]# yum update
Loaded plugins: allowdowngrade, changelog, downloadonly, fastestmirror,
priorities
Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
 * addons: mirror.fdcservers.net
 * base: mirror.nuvio.com
 * centosplus: mirror.nexcess.net
 * contrib: yum.singlehop.com
 * extras: yum.singlehop.com
 * rpmforge: fr2.rpmfind.net
 * updates: mirror.nexcess.net
Setting up Update Process
Resolving Dependencies
--> Running transaction check
--> Processing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Bzip2) = 2.024 for package:
perl-IO-Compress
---> Package perl-Compress-Raw-Bzip2.i386 0:2.033-1.el5.rf set to be updated
--> Processing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Zlib) = 2.024 for package:
perl-IO-Compress
---> Package perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib.i386 0:2.033-1.el5.rf set to be updated
---> Package tzdata.i386 0:2011b-1.el5 set to be updated
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch from installed has depsolving
problems
  --> Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Bzip2) = 2.024 is needed by
package perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch (installed)
perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch from installed has depsolving
problems
  --> Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Zlib) = 2.024 is needed by
package perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch (installed)
Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Bzip2) = 2.024 is needed by
package perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch (installed)
Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Zlib) = 2.024 is needed by
package perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch (installed)
 You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem
 You could try running: package-cleanup --problems
                        package-cleanup --dupes
                        rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest
[root at SHODAN ~]#

I have tried all of the suggested fixes at the bottom of the error message.
I get the same result whether I use the update or upgrade command.

Thanks

-- 
Mathew E. Enders


From jjn at nuge.com  Tue Mar 15 16:58:55 2011
From: jjn at nuge.com (Jay Nugent)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:58:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [mdlug] some packages not updating
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikAGN102FTUpp4Dc6obfWgo-8mM-SXLPohk3RsP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.1103151557430.17062-100000@home.nuge.com>

Greetings,

On Tue, 15 Mar 2011, Mat Enders wrote:

> When I try yo update or upgrade with yum some packages are not updating:
> 
> [root at SHODAN ~]# yum update
> Loaded plugins: allowdowngrade, changelog, downloadonly, fastestmirror,
> priorities
> Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
>  * addons: mirror.fdcservers.net
>  * base: mirror.nuvio.com
>  * centosplus: mirror.nexcess.net
>  * contrib: yum.singlehop.com
>  * extras: yum.singlehop.com
>  * rpmforge: fr2.rpmfind.net
>  * updates: mirror.nexcess.net
> Setting up Update Process
> Resolving Dependencies
> --> Running transaction check
> --> Processing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Bzip2) = 2.024 for package:
> perl-IO-Compress
> ---> Package perl-Compress-Raw-Bzip2.i386 0:2.033-1.el5.rf set to be updated
> --> Processing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Zlib) = 2.024 for package:
> perl-IO-Compress
> ---> Package perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib.i386 0:2.033-1.el5.rf set to be updated
> ---> Package tzdata.i386 0:2011b-1.el5 set to be updated
> --> Finished Dependency Resolution
> perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch from installed has depsolving
> problems
>   --> Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Bzip2) = 2.024 is needed by
> package perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch (installed)
> perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch from installed has depsolving
> problems
>   --> Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Zlib) = 2.024 is needed by
> package perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch (installed)
> Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Bzip2) = 2.024 is needed by
> package perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch (installed)
> Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Zlib) = 2.024 is needed by
> package perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch (installed)
>  You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem
>  You could try running: package-cleanup --problems
>                         package-cleanup --dupes
>                         rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest
> [root at SHODAN ~]#
> 
> I have tried all of the suggested fixes at the bottom of the error message.
> I get the same result whether I use the update or upgrade command.


   I have had a very similar issue with some Perl packages.  I just do the 
--skip-broken  option and so far it has not caused me any heartache.  
YMMV.


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From carl at carltm.com  Tue Mar 15 18:42:43 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:42:43 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] some packages not updating
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikAGN102FTUpp4Dc6obfWgo-8mM-SXLPohk3RsP@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikAGN102FTUpp4Dc6obfWgo-8mM-SXLPohk3RsP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cad65a038d658ee12f2616de581c2891.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Mat Enders wrote:
> ---> Package perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib.i386 0:2.033-1.el5.rf set to be
> updated

> perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch from installed has depsolving
> problems
>   --> Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Bzip2) = 2.024 is needed by
> package perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch (installed)

The top line tells you it wants to upgrade a package to version
2.033-1, however the next line says another package needs to keep
version 2.024-1 of the one you want to upgrade.

Can you see if you can safely remove or replace the
perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch package?

c




From gib at juno.com  Wed Mar 16 21:47:29 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 01:47:29 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Big Blue Button config issue
Message-ID: <20110316.214729.9223.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>

Installed Big Blue Button on Ubuntu 10.10. Worked wen I had it as IP address in my 
segment.  Modified /etc/network/interfaces to my static IP. Now I get a 403 forbidden 
error from nginx.  I set up the worker process to run as root still same problem. 


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From tony at bemushosting.com  Wed Mar 16 22:35:18 2011
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:35:18 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Big Blue Button config issue
Message-ID: <0LoVeM-1PY7xu0kzS-00fopf@mrelay.perfora.net>

The bbb config files need to be configured with the new ip address.  I believe the command is:
 sudu bbb-conf -c 

If that doesnt work then check the bbb wiki

Tony Bemus
Sent from my smartphone

-----Original Message-----
From: gib at juno.com <gib at juno.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:47 PM
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: [mdlug] Big Blue Button config issue

Installed Big Blue Button on Ubuntu 10.10. Worked wen I had it as IP address in my 
segment.  Modified /etc/network/interfaces to my static IP. Now I get a 403 forbidden 
error from nginx.  I set up the worker process to run as root still same problem. 


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From mat.enders at gmail.com  Wed Mar 16 22:02:43 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 02:02:43 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] Big Blue Button config issue
In-Reply-To: <20110316.214729.9223.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20110316.214729.9223.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <75032918-1300327364-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1250512924-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

We had the same kind of issue when we moved the MDLUG server from Tony's test environment to the school. He had to edit quite a few config files by hand in order to get it back up. 
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

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Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 01:47:29 
To: <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] Big Blue Button config issue

Installed Big Blue Button on Ubuntu 10.10. Worked wen I had it as IP address in my 
segment.  Modified /etc/network/interfaces to my static IP. Now I get a 403 forbidden 
error from nginx.  I set up the worker process to run as root still same problem. 


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From danno at umich.edu  Wed Mar 16 23:22:53 2011
From: danno at umich.edu (Dan Pritts)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 23:22:53 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] some packages not updating
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikAGN102FTUpp4Dc6obfWgo-8mM-SXLPohk3RsP@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikAGN102FTUpp4Dc6obfWgo-8mM-SXLPohk3RsP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2DD30815-949C-4EE3-8C34-712B8DD5831E@umich.edu>

here are my notes on this:

you will probably run into this, it is a side effect of some changes at rpmforge.

to fix do this. it will remove the (newer, from rpmforge) perl-IO-Compress and replace it with the original RHEL perl-Compress-Zlib which is generally fine anyway.

rpm -e --nodeps perl-IO-Compress
yum install perl-Compress-Zlib


You probably will then want to use yum-priorities or protectbase to make sure rpmforge doesn't replace perl-compress-zlib again.


On Mar 15, 2011, at 3:27 PM, Mat Enders wrote:

> When I try yo update or upgrade with yum some packages are not updating:
> 
> [root at SHODAN ~]# yum update
> Loaded plugins: allowdowngrade, changelog, downloadonly, fastestmirror,
> priorities
> Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
> * addons: mirror.fdcservers.net
> * base: mirror.nuvio.com
> * centosplus: mirror.nexcess.net
> * contrib: yum.singlehop.com
> * extras: yum.singlehop.com
> * rpmforge: fr2.rpmfind.net
> * updates: mirror.nexcess.net
> Setting up Update Process
> Resolving Dependencies
> --> Running transaction check
> --> Processing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Bzip2) = 2.024 for package:
> perl-IO-Compress
> ---> Package perl-Compress-Raw-Bzip2.i386 0:2.033-1.el5.rf set to be updated
> --> Processing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Zlib) = 2.024 for package:
> perl-IO-Compress
> ---> Package perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib.i386 0:2.033-1.el5.rf set to be updated
> ---> Package tzdata.i386 0:2011b-1.el5 set to be updated
> --> Finished Dependency Resolution
> perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch from installed has depsolving
> problems
>  --> Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Bzip2) = 2.024 is needed by
> package perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch (installed)
> perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch from installed has depsolving
> problems
>  --> Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Zlib) = 2.024 is needed by
> package perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch (installed)
> Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Bzip2) = 2.024 is needed by
> package perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch (installed)
> Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Zlib) = 2.024 is needed by
> package perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch (installed)
> You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem
> You could try running: package-cleanup --problems
>                        package-cleanup --dupes
>                        rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest
> [root at SHODAN ~]#
> 
> I have tried all of the suggested fixes at the bottom of the error message.
> I get the same result whether I use the update or upgrade command.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -- 
> Mathew E. Enders
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From gib at juno.com  Thu Mar 17 07:04:26 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:04:26 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Big Blue Button config issue
Message-ID: <20110317.070426.26385.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>

That was it.  Thank you.

NOw testing on:
http://76.242.100.172/

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Big Blue Button config issue
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:35:18 -0400

The bbb config files need to be configured with the new ip address.  I believe the command is:
 sudu bbb-conf -c 

If that doesnt work then check the bbb wiki

Tony Bemus
Sent from my smartphone

-----Original Message-----
From: gib at juno.com <gib at juno.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:47 PM
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: [mdlug] Big Blue Button config issue

Installed Big Blue Button on Ubuntu 10.10. Worked wen I had it as IP address in my 
segment.  Modified /etc/network/interfaces to my static IP. Now I get a 403 forbidden 
error from nginx.  I set up the worker process to run as root still same problem. 


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From tony at bemushosting.com  Thu Mar 17 20:20:13 2011
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:20:13 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
Message-ID: <1300407613.2200.1.camel@tony-laptop>

Im at the Washlug meeting and streaming it on blue.mdlug.org demo
meeting.  Please join me!

Tony Bemus



From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Thu Mar 17 20:36:06 2011
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:36:06 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
In-Reply-To: <1300407613.2200.1.camel@tony-laptop>
References: <1300407613.2200.1.camel@tony-laptop>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikM=x_gjGyk8OE9Lz7DnU2H3M9E7Zk-ZuNqWM6w@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:
> Im at the Washlug meeting and streaming it on blue.mdlug.org demo
> meeting. ?Please join me!
>

Sound would be nice.


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Thu Mar 17 20:40:34 2011
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:40:34 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikM=x_gjGyk8OE9Lz7DnU2H3M9E7Zk-ZuNqWM6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1300407613.2200.1.camel@tony-laptop>
	<AANLkTikM=x_gjGyk8OE9Lz7DnU2H3M9E7Zk-ZuNqWM6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinb69vU9AmPP7fOUjZkEc9BNPLnyFGBexdSwUgm@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:
>> Im at the Washlug meeting and streaming it on blue.mdlug.org demo
>> meeting. ?Please join me!
>>
>
> Sound would be nice.
>

It works at the blue demo site but with your system it is intermittent.


From gib at juno.com  Fri Mar 18 07:01:53 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:01:53 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
Message-ID: <20110318.070153.2033.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>

We got some cool stuff going here.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com>
To: tony at bemushosting.com, "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:40:34 -0400

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:
>> Im at the Washlug meeting and streaming it on blue.mdlug.org demo
>> meeting. ??Please join me!
>>
>
> Sound would be nice.
>

It works at the blue demo site but with your system it is intermittent.
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From tony at bemushosting.com  Fri Mar 18 08:26:14 2011
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 08:26:14 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
In-Reply-To: <20110318.070153.2033.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20110318.070153.2033.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <1300451174.11485.3.camel@bemus-remote>

I agree!  Even though it very last minute we still had 4 people connect
in.  Jeff was the first to connect then we had Purple Bunny, and Carl
connect after that!

Tony Bemus

On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 11:01 +0000, gib at juno.com wrote:
> We got some cool stuff going here.
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com>
> To: tony at bemushosting.com, "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:40:34 -0400
> 
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:
> >> Im at the Washlug meeting and streaming it on blue.mdlug.org demo
> >> meeting. ? Please join me!
> >>
> >
> > Sound would be nice.
> >
> 
> It works at the blue demo site but with your system it is intermittent.
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From gib at juno.com  Fri Mar 18 08:47:50 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:47:50 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting - Purple Bunny on Big Blue
	Bu	tton
Message-ID: <20110318.084750.14964.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com>

Purple Bunny is now on my test Big Blue Button system.  This is the system that will be going to Penguicon.  Here is the link: http://76.242.100.172/

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 08:26:14 -0400

I agree!  Even though it very last minute we still had 4 people connect
in.  Jeff was the first to connect then we had Purple Bunny, and Carl
connect after that!

Tony Bemus

On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 11:01 +0000, gib at juno.com wrote:
> We got some cool stuff going here.
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com>
> To: tony at bemushosting.com, "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:40:34 -0400
> 
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:
> >> Im at the Washlug meeting and streaming it on blue.mdlug.org demo
> >> meeting. ? Please join me!
> >>
> >
> > Sound would be nice.
> >
> 
> It works at the blue demo site but with your system it is intermittent.
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From mat.enders at gmail.com  Fri Mar 18 08:38:36 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:38:36 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
In-Reply-To: <1300451174.11485.3.camel@bemus-remote>
References: <20110318.070153.2033.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com><1300451174.11485.3.camel@bemus-remote>
Message-ID: <1745232892-1300451917-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2078302326-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

How was the sound though it sounds from Jeff's post that it was intermittent at best.  
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
Sender: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 08:26:14 
To: <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting

I agree!  Even though it very last minute we still had 4 people connect
in.  Jeff was the first to connect then we had Purple Bunny, and Carl
connect after that!

Tony Bemus

On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 11:01 +0000, gib at juno.com wrote:
> We got some cool stuff going here.
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com>
> To: tony at bemushosting.com, "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:40:34 -0400
> 
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:
> >> Im at the Washlug meeting and streaming it on blue.mdlug.org demo
> >> meeting. ? Please join me!
> >>
> >
> > Sound would be nice.
> >
> 
> It works at the blue demo site but with your system it is intermittent.
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> 
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From carl at carltm.com  Fri Mar 18 10:03:41 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:03:41 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
In-Reply-To: <1300451174.11485.3.camel@bemus-remote>
References: <20110318.070153.2033.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>
	<1300451174.11485.3.camel@bemus-remote>
Message-ID: <b403dfe0fb3c4549d721eefdaebe570a.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Yes, my only suggesstion is to have a good mic and
maybe mute everyone except the presenter.  I only
listened for a few minutes and I could make out most
of what was being said even though there was a lot
of background noise.

I will say that it is pretty cool.  I was disappointed
that I couldn't attend the meeting, but at least I
was able to catch part of the presentation.

c


Tony Bemus wrote:
> I agree!  Even though it very last minute we still had 4 people connect
> in.  Jeff was the first to connect then we had Purple Bunny, and Carl
> connect after that!
>
> Tony Bemus
>
> On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 11:01 +0000, gib at juno.com wrote:
>> We got some cool stuff going here.
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com>
>> To: tony at bemushosting.com, "MDLUG's Main discussion list"
>> <mdlug at mdlug.org>
>> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
>> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:40:34 -0400
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> Im at the Washlug meeting and streaming it on blue.mdlug.org demo
>> >> meeting. ?? Please join me!
>> >>
>> >
>> > Sound would be nice.
>> >
>>
>> It works at the blue demo site but with your system it is intermittent.
>> _______________________________________________
>> mdlug mailing list
>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> Groupon&#8482 Official Site
>> 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city&#39;s best!
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d833bc97855420c09cst02vuc
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From gib at juno.com  Fri Mar 18 12:28:39 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:28:39 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
Message-ID: <20110318.122839.21165.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com>

The main speaker was clear.  Sometimes it dropped out or fuzzed.  Other voices were good or bad based on the distance I think.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: mat.enders at gmail.com
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:38:36 +0000

How was the sound though it sounds from Jeff's post that it was intermittent at best.  
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
Sender: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 08:26:14 
To: <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting

I agree!  Even though it very last minute we still had 4 people connect
in.  Jeff was the first to connect then we had Purple Bunny, and Carl
connect after that!

Tony Bemus

On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 11:01 +0000, gib at juno.com wrote:
> We got some cool stuff going here.
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com>
> To: tony at bemushosting.com, "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:40:34 -0400
> 
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:
> >> Im at the Washlug meeting and streaming it on blue.mdlug.org demo
> >> meeting. ? Please join me!
> >>
> >
> > Sound would be nice.
> >
> 
> It works at the blue demo site but with your system it is intermittent.
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> 
> ____________________________________________________________
> Groupon&#8482 Official Site
> 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city&#39;s best!
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d833bc97855420c09cst02vuc


_______________________________________________
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From gib at juno.com  Fri Mar 18 12:30:21 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:30:21 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
Message-ID: <20110318.123021.21165.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com>

Yeah, this is cool.  We can attend meetings that otherwise we'd miss.  

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Carl T. Miller" <carl at carltm.com>
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:03:41 -0400

Yes, my only suggesstion is to have a good mic and
maybe mute everyone except the presenter.  I only
listened for a few minutes and I could make out most
of what was being said even though there was a lot
of background noise.

I will say that it is pretty cool.  I was disappointed
that I couldn't attend the meeting, but at least I
was able to catch part of the presentation.

c


Tony Bemus wrote:
> I agree!  Even though it very last minute we still had 4 people connect
> in.  Jeff was the first to connect then we had Purple Bunny, and Carl
> connect after that!
>
> Tony Bemus
>
> On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 11:01 +0000, gib at juno.com wrote:
>> We got some cool stuff going here.
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com>
>> To: tony at bemushosting.com, "MDLUG's Main discussion list"
>> <mdlug at mdlug.org>
>> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
>> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:40:34 -0400
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> Im at the Washlug meeting and streaming it on blue.mdlug.org demo
>> >> meeting. ? Please join me!
>> >>
>> >
>> > Sound would be nice.
>> >
>>
>> It works at the blue demo site but with your system it is intermittent.
>> _______________________________________________
>> mdlug mailing list
>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> Groupon&#8482 Official Site
>> 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city&#39;s best!
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d833bc97855420c09cst02vuc
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


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From teacher1st at bellsouth.net  Fri Mar 18 02:19:03 2011
From: teacher1st at bellsouth.net (teacher1st)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 02:19:03 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting; FM mike; Smoothboard
In-Reply-To: <20110318.123021.21165.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20110318.123021.21165.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4D82F957.9050906@bellsouth.net>

Hi,

Very nice piece of software.  Thanks for the work putting this together 
for remote attendees.

With a similar software, Openmeeting 
[http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/], an FM mike really helped when 
walking around.
Needed to remember to repeat questions / comments from the audience.

I used it with Smoothboard [software from www.smoothboard.org or java 
version from http://www.uweschmidt.org/wiimote-whiteboard ]
Inexpensive if you can borrow some kid's WiiRemote.  Made a pointer from 
Raid Shack purchased led, battery holder and surplus momentary switch.

See you all in person November when I relocate to Warren, MI.  Will be 
able to attend meeting remotely in meanwhile.

later,

jim

On 3/18/2011 12:30 PM, gib at juno.com wrote:
> Yeah, this is cool.  We can attend meetings that otherwise we'd miss.
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "Carl T. Miller"<carl at carltm.com>
> To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list"<mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:03:41 -0400
>
> Yes, my only suggesstion is to have a good mic and
> maybe mute everyone except the presenter.  I only
> listened for a few minutes and I could make out most
> of what was being said even though there was a lot
> of background noise.
>
> I will say that it is pretty cool.  I was disappointed
> that I couldn't attend the meeting, but at least I
> was able to catch part of the presentation.
>
> c
>
> ============================  snip ========================================



From mat.enders at gmail.com  Fri Mar 18 16:01:33 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:01:33 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
Message-ID: <1414247983-1300478497-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1148511108-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Hello all,

          I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a server where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do they live in the document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1, /var/www/site2?

Thanks,
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From tony at bemushosting.com  Fri Mar 18 16:10:09 2011
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:10:09 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
Message-ID: <0MCKpF-1Q9ASL3qpF-008rv2@mrelay.perfora.net>

The DB is held in the mysql structor(where ever that is).  The only time it is in the same folder as the website is when you are using a flat file, or some other special config.  
If you are looking to do backups or export/import you will need to do that from mysql/mysqladmin(sp)/webmin. 

Tony Bemus
Sent from my smartphone

-----Original Message-----
From: mat.enders at gmail.com
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 4:01 PM
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question

Hello all,

          I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a server where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do they live in the document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1, /var/www/site2?

Thanks,
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
_______________________________________________
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mdlug at mdlug.org
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From mat.enders at gmail.com  Fri Mar 18 16:15:23 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:15:23 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
Message-ID: <1476755127-1300479324-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1077044082-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

What if you want the database(s) for each web site to live in the document root with all of the other data for that web site?  Is there anything wrong with that?
------Original Message------
From: Mark Stanislav
To: Mat Enders
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MYSQL question
Sent: Mar 18, 2011 4:04 PM

Likely /var/lib/mysql/<database name> depending on distro & configuration.

There's no direct filesystem coupling of web sites and databases as they are separate services within their own hierarchical structure. 

-Mark

On Mar 18, 2011, at 4:01 PM, mat.enders at gmail.com wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
>          I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a server where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do they live in the document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1, /var/www/site2?
> 
> Thanks,
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>_______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From mark.stanislav at gmail.com  Fri Mar 18 16:19:10 2011
From: mark.stanislav at gmail.com (Mark Stanislav)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:19:10 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
In-Reply-To: <1476755127-1300479324-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1077044082-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1476755127-1300479324-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1077044082-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <2C6CC396-7938-41E2-A743-ECACA7CE77AC@gmail.com>

If you do that, you likely need to create a symlink back to your MySQL 'datadir' so it doesn't get upset. Not sure how/if you can arbitrarily place databases on the filesystem and have MySQL know about them in disparate places.

-Mark

On Mar 18, 2011, at 4:15 PM, mat.enders at gmail.com wrote:

> What if you want the database(s) for each web site to live in the document root with all of the other data for that web site?  Is there anything wrong with that?
> ------Original Message------
> From: Mark Stanislav
> To: Mat Enders
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] MYSQL question
> Sent: Mar 18, 2011 4:04 PM
> 
> Likely /var/lib/mysql/<database name> depending on distro & configuration.
> 
> There's no direct filesystem coupling of web sites and databases as they are separate services within their own hierarchical structure. 
> 
> -Mark
> 
> On Mar 18, 2011, at 4:01 PM, mat.enders at gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>>         I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a server where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do they live in the document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1, /var/www/site2?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>> _______________________________________________
>> mdlug mailing list
>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> 
> 
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?



From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 18 16:21:20 2011
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:21:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
In-Reply-To: <1414247983-1300478497-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1148511108-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1414247983-1300478497-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1148511108-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <101356.75430.qm@web37907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

You would have one server. But different Data bases:

\\www\site1 --> site1 

\\www\site2 --> site2 



<?php

$link = mysql_connect('localhost', 'mysql_user', 'mysql_password');
if (!$link) {
    die('Not connected : ' . mysql_error());
}

// make foo the current db
$db_selected = mysql_select_db('Site1', $link);
if (!$db_selected) {
    die ('Can\'t use foo : ' . mysql_error());
}
?>  

So your scripts for site1 will use "site1" for the database selection at connect
on your second site use "site2".

Some admins would like even to give different login's for the different sites to 
keep things separate.

David 



________________________________
From: "mat.enders at gmail.com" <mat.enders at gmail.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 4:01:33 PM
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question

Hello all,

          I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a server 
where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do they live in the 
document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1, /var/www/site2?

Thanks,
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



      

From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 18 16:22:51 2011
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:22:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
In-Reply-To: <1414247983-1300478497-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1148511108-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1414247983-1300478497-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1148511108-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <976915.4906.qm@web37903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

what scripting are you using?




________________________________
From: "mat.enders at gmail.com" <mat.enders at gmail.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 4:01:33 PM
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question

Hello all,

          I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a server 
where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do they live in the 
document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1, /var/www/site2?

Thanks,
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



      

From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Fri Mar 18 16:32:10 2011
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:32:10 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
In-Reply-To: <1476755127-1300479324-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1077044082-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <C9A9395D.4CE7%gregwojtak@quickenloans.com>

May I ask *why* you would want to do this?  It is generally not a good
practice, as anything under your DocumentRoot technically becomes fair
game to be served up by the web server.



On 2011-03-18 4:15 PM, "mat.enders at gmail.com" <mat.enders at gmail.com> wrote:

>What if you want the database(s) for each web site to live in the
>document root with all of the other data for that web site?  Is there
>anything wrong with that?
>------Original Message------
>From: Mark Stanislav
>To: Mat Enders
>To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
>Subject: Re: [mdlug] MYSQL question
>Sent: Mar 18, 2011 4:04 PM
>
>Likely /var/lib/mysql/<database name> depending on distro & configuration.
>
>There's no direct filesystem coupling of web sites and databases as they
>are separate services within their own hierarchical structure.
>
>-Mark
>
>On Mar 18, 2011, at 4:01 PM, mat.enders at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> 
>>          I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a
>>server where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do
>>they live in the document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1,
>>/var/www/site2?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>>_______________________________________________
>> mdlug mailing list
>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>
>
>Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>_______________________________________________
>mdlug mailing list
>mdlug at mdlug.org
>http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From tony at bemushosting.com  Fri Mar 18 16:34:25 2011
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:34:25 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
In-Reply-To: <976915.4906.qm@web37903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1414247983-1300478497-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1148511108-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<976915.4906.qm@web37903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1300480465.11485.6.camel@bemus-remote>

Check this out.  I googled for "move the file location in mysql"

http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/servers/54215-moving-mysql-datafile-another-location.html

Tony Bemus

On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 13:22 -0700, David Lane wrote:
> what scripting are you using?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: "mat.enders at gmail.com" <mat.enders at gmail.com>
> To: mdlug at mdlug.org
> Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 4:01:33 PM
> Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
> 
> Hello all,
> 
>           I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a server 
> where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do they live in the 
> document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1, /var/www/site2?
> 
> Thanks,
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> 
> 
> 
>       
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug




From mat.enders at gmail.com  Fri Mar 18 16:36:21 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:36:21 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
In-Reply-To: <976915.4906.qm@web37903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1414247983-1300478497-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1148511108-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><976915.4906.qm@web37903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1278728022-1300480582-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2034746307-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

One of the sites is going to be a moodle site so it will have to have PHP installed. 
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: David Lane <dcl400m at yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:22:51 
To: <mat.enders at gmail.com>; MDLUG's Main discussion list<mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MYSQL question

what scripting are you using?




________________________________
From: "mat.enders at gmail.com" <mat.enders at gmail.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 4:01:33 PM
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question

Hello all,

          I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a server 
where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do they live in the 
document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1, /var/www/site2?

Thanks,
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug





From mat.enders at gmail.com  Fri Mar 18 16:39:23 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:39:23 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
In-Reply-To: <C9A9395D.4CE7%gregwojtak@quickenloans.com>
References: <1476755127-1300479324-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1077044082-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><C9A9395D.4CE7%gregwojtak@quickenloans.com>
Message-ID: <1565520445-1300480764-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1727592526-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

It is a entirely a question of space. I have separate drives for each site with a fairly small root drive. 
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: "Wojtak, Greg" <GregWojtak at quickenloans.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:32:10 
To: mat.enders at gmail.com<mat.enders at gmail.com>; MDLUG's Main discussionlist<mdlug at mdlug.org>; Mark Stanislav<mark.stanislav at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MYSQL question

May I ask *why* you would want to do this?  It is generally not a good
practice, as anything under your DocumentRoot technically becomes fair
game to be served up by the web server.



On 2011-03-18 4:15 PM, "mat.enders at gmail.com" <mat.enders at gmail.com> wrote:

>What if you want the database(s) for each web site to live in the
>document root with all of the other data for that web site?  Is there
>anything wrong with that?
>------Original Message------
>From: Mark Stanislav
>To: Mat Enders
>To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
>Subject: Re: [mdlug] MYSQL question
>Sent: Mar 18, 2011 4:04 PM
>
>Likely /var/lib/mysql/<database name> depending on distro & configuration.
>
>There's no direct filesystem coupling of web sites and databases as they
>are separate services within their own hierarchical structure.
>
>-Mark
>
>On Mar 18, 2011, at 4:01 PM, mat.enders at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> 
>>          I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a
>>server where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do
>>they live in the document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1,
>>/var/www/site2?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>>_______________________________________________
>> mdlug mailing list
>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>
>
>Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
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From mark.stanislav at gmail.com  Fri Mar 18 16:04:38 2011
From: mark.stanislav at gmail.com (Mark Stanislav)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:04:38 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
In-Reply-To: <1414247983-1300478497-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1148511108-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1414247983-1300478497-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1148511108-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <54C8D2C2-FB00-4C27-AF64-4D14756FD094@gmail.com>

Likely /var/lib/mysql/<database name> depending on distro & configuration.

There's no direct filesystem coupling of web sites and databases as they are separate services within their own hierarchical structure. 

-Mark

On Mar 18, 2011, at 4:01 PM, mat.enders at gmail.com wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
>          I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a server where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do they live in the document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1, /var/www/site2?
> 
> Thanks,
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From brianbrodsky at ameritech.net  Fri Mar 18 17:09:10 2011
From: brianbrodsky at ameritech.net (Brian Brodsky)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:09:10 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
In-Reply-To: <1565520445-1300480764-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1727592526-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1476755127-1300479324-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1077044082-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><C9A9395D.4CE7%gregwojtak@quickenloans.com>
	<1565520445-1300480764-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1727592526-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <4D83C9F6.4030407@ameritech.net>

I suggest you have another drive that holds your databases. If you are 
using myisam you could point the database directories as symbolic links 
to each individual drive (I would NOT put in web directory). If your are 
using innodb the entire thing is in one workspace.

On 3/18/2011 4:39 PM, mat.enders at gmail.com wrote:
> It is a entirely a question of space. I have separate drives for each site with a fairly small root drive.
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Wojtak, Greg"<GregWojtak at quickenloans.com>
> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:32:10
> To: mat.enders at gmail.com<mat.enders at gmail.com>; MDLUG's Main discussionlist<mdlug at mdlug.org>; Mark Stanislav<mark.stanislav at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] MYSQL question
>
> May I ask *why* you would want to do this?  It is generally not a good
> practice, as anything under your DocumentRoot technically becomes fair
> game to be served up by the web server.
>
>
>
> On 2011-03-18 4:15 PM, "mat.enders at gmail.com"<mat.enders at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> What if you want the database(s) for each web site to live in the
>> document root with all of the other data for that web site?  Is there
>> anything wrong with that?
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Mark Stanislav
>> To: Mat Enders
>> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [mdlug] MYSQL question
>> Sent: Mar 18, 2011 4:04 PM
>>
>> Likely /var/lib/mysql/<database name>  depending on distro&  configuration.
>>
>> There's no direct filesystem coupling of web sites and databases as they
>> are separate services within their own hierarchical structure.
>>
>> -Mark
>>
>> On Mar 18, 2011, at 4:01 PM, mat.enders at gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>>           I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a
>>> server where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do
>>> they live in the document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1,
>>> /var/www/site2?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> mdlug mailing list
>>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>>
>> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>> _______________________________________________
>> mdlug mailing list
>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>


From mat.enders at gmail.com  Fri Mar 18 17:19:26 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:19:26 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
In-Reply-To: <1414247983-1300478497-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1033230963-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1414247983-1300478497-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1033230963-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <979016901-1300483167-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1698417834-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Thanks all for the advice I believe I am going to go with Brian's suggestion and install another drive to use for the databases.  
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: mat.enders at gmail.com
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:01:33 
To: <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: mat.enders at gmail.com
Subject: MYSQL question

Hello all,

          I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a server where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do they live in the document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1, /var/www/site2?

Thanks,
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From gib at juno.com  Sat Mar 19 00:05:55 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 04:05:55 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
Message-ID: <20110319.000555.12408.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>

A dozen email notes in just over an hour.  Maybe we have enough interest in this to cover it a bit in a meeting.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: mat.enders at gmail.com
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MYSQL question
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:19:26 +0000

Thanks all for the advice I believe I am going to go with Brian's suggestion and install another drive to use for the databases.  
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: mat.enders at gmail.com
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:01:33 
To: <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: mat.enders at gmail.com
Subject: MYSQL question

Hello all,

          I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a server where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do they live in the document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1, /var/www/site2?

Thanks,
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
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From mat.enders at gmail.com  Sat Mar 19 13:14:13 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:14:13 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] Debian install issue
Message-ID: <523458041-1300554853-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-96196926-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Hello all,

       I am attempting an install of Debian Squeeze. I have previously installed Ubuntu Server on this machine. During that install I had to boot the machine with the nomodeset boot parameter. Now with Debian that boot parameter does not work. Other boot parameters I have tried all to no avail are vga=normal fb=false vga=771 noapic noalpic. The graphics card is a Nvidia Gforce 3 with 128MB of ram. Various combinations of the above leave the machine hung with either a black screen or with selection screen still displayed. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. 

Thanks,
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From carl at carltm.com  Sat Mar 19 15:01:55 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 15:01:55 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Debian install issue
In-Reply-To: <523458041-1300554853-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-96196926-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <523458041-1300554853-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-96196926-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <d1ea369ba273f1d6dee774df1a93b787.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

mat.enders at gmail.com wrote:
>        I am attempting an install of Debian Squeeze. I have previously
> installed Ubuntu Server on this machine. During that install I had
> to boot the machine with the nomodeset boot parameter. Now with
> Debian that boot parameter does not work. Other boot parameters I
> have tried all to no avail are vga=normal fb=false vga=771 noapic
> noalpic. The graphics card is a Nvidia Gforce 3 with 128MB of ram.
> Various combinations of the above leave the machine hung with
> either a black screen or with selection screen still displayed. Any
> suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Mat, does your boot media contain the proprietary drivers?
I do netboot installations, and there are two versions of
the netboot cd.  It could be that you need the proprietary
drivers.

c




From carl at carltm.com  Sat Mar 19 15:08:20 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 15:08:20 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Debian install issue
In-Reply-To: <523458041-1300554853-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-96196926-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <523458041-1300554853-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-96196926-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <a055b9bac6468078b3dfd830bd9fae63.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

mat.enders at gmail.com wrote:
> installed Ubuntu Server on this machine. During that install I had
> to boot the machine with the nomodeset boot parameter. Now with
> Debian that boot parameter does not work. Other boot parameters I
> have tried all to no avail are vga=normal fb=false vga=771 noapic
> noalpic. The graphics card is a Nvidia Gforce 3 with 128MB of ram.


I seem to recall that at boot time you could press the F2 and
F3 keys to find various boot options.  Is that available with
squeeze?

c




From mat.enders at gmail.com  Sat Mar 19 15:12:42 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 19:12:42 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] Debian install issue
Message-ID: <827130792-1300561962-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-632992812-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Yes I have tried numerous boot parameter combinations all to no avail. I am thinking of trying one of the full install cd's instead. Do you think it may have more drivers on it?   Do you think part of the problem maybe that Debian now ships a completely free kernel with no binary blobs?
------Original Message------
From: Carl T. Miller
To: Mat Enders
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Debian install issue
Sent: Mar 19, 2011 3:08 PM

mat.enders at gmail.com wrote:
> installed Ubuntu Server on this machine. During that install I had
> to boot the machine with the nomodeset boot parameter. Now with
> Debian that boot parameter does not work. Other boot parameters I
> have tried all to no avail are vga=normal fb=false vga=771 noapic
> noalpic. The graphics card is a Nvidia Gforce 3 with 128MB of ram.


I seem to recall that at boot time you could press the F2 and
F3 keys to find various boot options.  Is that available with
squeeze?

c



Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From mat.enders at gmail.com  Sat Mar 19 16:24:32 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:24:32 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] Debian install issue
In-Reply-To: <523458041-1300554853-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1230745343-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <523458041-1300554853-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1230745343-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <1294288071-1300566273-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1911010426-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Well I have gotten it to start to boot it now hangs at:
ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: irq 23, io mem 0xdfffbc00

It has four lines above it that have the first 22 characters in common and talks about usb. I think it might be the kvm switch that is screwing me. I am going to try taking the kvm switch out of the mix and see. 
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: mat.enders at gmail.com
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:14:13 
To: <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: mat.enders at gmail.com
Subject: Debian install issue

Hello all,

       I am attempting an install of Debian Squeeze. I have previously installed Ubuntu Server on this machine. During that install I had to boot the machine with the nomodeset boot parameter. Now with Debian that boot parameter does not work. Other boot parameters I have tried all to no avail are vga=normal fb=false vga=771 noapic noalpic. The graphics card is a Nvidia Gforce 3 with 128MB of ram. Various combinations of the above leave the machine hung with either a black screen or with selection screen still displayed. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. 

Thanks,
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From mat.enders at gmail.com  Sat Mar 19 16:51:29 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:51:29 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] Debian install issue
In-Reply-To: <523458041-1300554853-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1230745343-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <523458041-1300554853-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1230745343-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <570357774-1300567890-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1899180272-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

That freaking kvm switch that wreaks havoc with dmesg on my other systems was the culprit. Installation is in progress. 
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: mat.enders at gmail.com
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:14:13 
To: <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: mat.enders at gmail.com
Subject: Debian install issue

Hello all,

       I am attempting an install of Debian Squeeze. I have previously installed Ubuntu Server on this machine. During that install I had to boot the machine with the nomodeset boot parameter. Now with Debian that boot parameter does not work. Other boot parameters I have tried all to no avail are vga=normal fb=false vga=771 noapic noalpic. The graphics card is a Nvidia Gforce 3 with 128MB of ram. Various combinations of the above leave the machine hung with either a black screen or with selection screen still displayed. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. 

Thanks,
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From mat.enders at gmail.com  Sat Mar 19 21:20:27 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 01:20:27 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] Debian install update 2
Message-ID: <254290850-1300584027-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1773081082-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

It all works now had to disable legacy usb support in the bios. 
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From gib at juno.com  Sat Mar 19 21:38:03 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 01:38:03 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + multiple
Message-ID: <20110319.213803.147.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>

So, can we set up multiple rooms or chats for the same time?  I'm thinking ahead to Penguicon but any event may use more than one chat room.

Please note: message attached

From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Cc: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:30:21 GMT


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From tony at bemushosting.com  Sat Mar 19 21:53:25 2011
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 21:53:25 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + multiple
Message-ID: <0M1nLW-1PmKq60JIY-00t4HK@mrelay.perfora.net>

Yes, im working on getting it working through a cms.  We dont have to have a cms, we can use the sample api and have multiple meeting rooms. Its just not as easy or appearent to the visiter.  
  I need to look into how to enable php on nginex, anyone have any ideas? 
Tony Bemus
Sent from my smartphone

-----Original Message-----
From: gib at juno.com <gib at juno.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 9:38 PM
To: gib at juno.com
Cc: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + multiple

So, can we set up multiple rooms or chats for the same time?  I'm thinking ahead to Penguicon but any event may use more than one chat room.

Please note: message attached

From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Cc: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:30:21 GMT


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From mat.enders at gmail.com  Sat Mar 19 21:59:56 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (Mat Enders)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 21:59:56 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + multiple
In-Reply-To: <0M1nLW-1PmKq60JIY-00t4HK@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <0M1nLW-1PmKq60JIY-00t4HK@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinmH2x8jxhoq9OE5nniwF_fbgCbr4jcp__swM3w@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:

> Yes, im working on getting it working through a cms.  We dont have to have
> a cms, we can use the sample api and have multiple meeting rooms. Its just
> not as easy or appearent to the visiter.
>  I need to look into how to enable php on nginex, anyone have any ideas?
> Tony Bemus
> Sent from my smartphone
>
>
Have a look here:

http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-php-5.3-nginx-and-php-fpm-on-ubuntu-debian

-- 
Mathew E. Enders


From gib at juno.com  Sun Mar 20 13:17:22 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:17:22 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Message-ID: <20110320.131722.29182.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com>

I have the Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue

http://blue.mdlug.org

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From rjclay at gmail.com  Sun Mar 20 13:56:48 2011
From: rjclay at gmail.com (Robert J. Clay)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 13:56:48 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
In-Reply-To: <20110320.131722.29182.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20110320.131722.29182.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=WYuUS4NW1cQvFE57jGsVMcfWMVK8Et1n-rsQ4@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:17 PM, gib at juno.com <gib at juno.com> wrote:
> I have the Penguicon planning meeting now live on
> blue http://blue.mdlug.org

   I'm getting the video;  should there be sound?


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From mat.enders at gmail.com  Sun Mar 20 13:59:15 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:59:15 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=WYuUS4NW1cQvFE57jGsVMcfWMVK8Et1n-rsQ4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20110320.131722.29182.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com><AANLkTi=WYuUS4NW1cQvFE57jGsVMcfWMVK8Et1n-rsQ4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1587538679-1300643955-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-916674658-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

You have to click the button on the upper left to share you mic in order to also receive sound. 
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: "Robert J. Clay" <rjclay at gmail.com>
Sender: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 13:56:48 
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list<mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:17 PM, gib at juno.com <gib at juno.com> wrote:
> I have the Penguicon planning meeting now live on
> blue http://blue.mdlug.org

   I'm getting the video;  should there be sound?


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From gib at juno.com  Sun Mar 20 14:07:12 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:07:12 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Message-ID: <20110320.140712.28662.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>


I'm trying to send sound now.  

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Robert J. Clay" <rjclay at gmail.com>
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 13:56:48 -0400

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:17 PM, gib at juno.com <gib at juno.com> wrote:
> I have the Penguicon planning meeting now live on
> blue http://blue.mdlug.org

   I'm getting the video;  should there be sound?


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rjclay at gmail.com
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From gib at juno.com  Sun Mar 20 14:08:04 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:08:04 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Message-ID: <20110320.140804.28662.1@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>

Okay, sorry.  I didn't see anybody on yet.  So, I just id the sound.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: mat.enders at gmail.com
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:59:15 +0000

You have to click the button on the upper left to share you mic in order to also receive sound. 
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: "Robert J. Clay" <rjclay at gmail.com>
Sender: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 13:56:48 
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list<mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:17 PM, gib at juno.com <gib at juno.com> wrote:
> I have the Penguicon planning meeting now live on
> blue http://blue.mdlug.org

   I'm getting the video;  should there be sound?


-- 
Robert J. Clay
rjclay at gmail.com
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From rjclay at gmail.com  Sun Mar 20 14:19:25 2011
From: rjclay at gmail.com (Robert J. Clay)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:19:25 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
In-Reply-To: <1587538679-1300643955-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-916674658-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <20110320.131722.29182.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com>
	<AANLkTi=WYuUS4NW1cQvFE57jGsVMcfWMVK8Et1n-rsQ4@mail.gmail.com>
	<1587538679-1300643955-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-916674658-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin2eLywrGAMzBxOu2VhF2JcXhmJGF4uGOndm8nE@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:59 PM,  <mat.enders at gmail.com> wrote:
> You have to click the button on the upper left to share you mic in order to also
> receive sound.

    Ah, I see it.   Is there a way to just listen in, though?  I'm
working on some things; just wanted to monitor what was going on, not
join in altogether...

-- 
Robert J. Clay
rjclay at gmail.com


From mat.enders at gmail.com  Sun Mar 20 14:21:09 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:21:09 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Message-ID: <93041323-1300645269-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1292845794-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

You can then mute your mic in the listeners list. 
------Original Message------
From: Robert J. Clay
To: Mat Enders
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Sent: Mar 20, 2011 2:19 PM

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:59 PM,  <mat.enders at gmail.com> wrote:
> You have to click the button on the upper left to share you mic in order to also
> receive sound.

    Ah, I see it.   Is there a way to just listen in, though?  I'm
working on some things; just wanted to monitor what was going on, not
join in altogether...

-- 
Robert J. Clay
rjclay at gmail.com

Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From gib at juno.com  Sun Mar 20 14:24:09 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:24:09 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Message-ID: <20110320.142409.28662.2@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>

I shared the mic.  Don't know what else to do.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Robert J. Clay" <rjclay at gmail.com>
To: mat.enders at gmail.com, "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:19:25 -0400

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:59 PM,  <mat.enders at gmail.com> wrote:
> You have to click the button on the upper left to share you mic in order to also
> receive sound.

    Ah, I see it.   Is there a way to just listen in, though?  I'm
working on some things; just wanted to monitor what was going on, not
join in altogether...

-- 
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rjclay at gmail.com
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From gib at juno.com  Sun Mar 20 14:27:45 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:27:45 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Message-ID: <20110320.142745.28662.3@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>

Okay. Does it work now?

---------- Original Message ----------
From: mat.enders at gmail.com
To: "Robert J. Clay" <rjclay at gmail.com>, "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:21:09 +0000

You can then mute your mic in the listeners list. 
------Original Message------
From: Robert J. Clay
To: Mat Enders
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Sent: Mar 20, 2011 2:19 PM

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:59 PM,  <mat.enders at gmail.com> wrote:
> You have to click the button on the upper left to share you mic in order to also
> receive sound.

    Ah, I see it.   Is there a way to just listen in, though?  I'm
working on some things; just wanted to monitor what was going on, not
join in altogether...

-- 
Robert J. Clay
rjclay at gmail.com

Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
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From newmaniese at gmail.com  Sun Mar 20 14:24:02 2011
From: newmaniese at gmail.com (Michael)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:24:02 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + multiple
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinmH2x8jxhoq9OE5nniwF_fbgCbr4jcp__swM3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0M1nLW-1PmKq60JIY-00t4HK@mrelay.perfora.net>
	<AANLkTinmH2x8jxhoq9OE5nniwF_fbgCbr4jcp__swM3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimVQXUhUTA8zr65GX8pvYBiXEJXA00E8X6nno2F@mail.gmail.com>

>
>
> Have a look here:
>
>
> http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-php-5.3-nginx-and-php-fpm-on-ubuntu-debian
>
> --

Just an FYI as someone who uses Nginx regularly, the above tutorial will not
scale well (if it works at all, look at the comments). Use Nginx as a proxy
to another webserver (I recommend Apache for PHP, there is still nothing
better) that generates dynamic content, that will work/scale much better.


From brianbrodsky at ameritech.net  Sun Mar 20 14:36:50 2011
From: brianbrodsky at ameritech.net (Brian Brodsky)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:36:50 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
In-Reply-To: <20110320.142745.28662.3@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20110320.142745.28662.3@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4D864942.3060907@ameritech.net>

I am still not getting sound.

On 3/20/2011 2:27 PM, gib at juno.com wrote:
> Okay. Does it work now?
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: mat.enders at gmail.com
> To: "Robert J. Clay"<rjclay at gmail.com>, "MDLUG's Main discussion list"<mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:21:09 +0000
>
> You can then mute your mic in the listeners list.
> ------Original Message------
> From: Robert J. Clay
> To: Mat Enders
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
> Sent: Mar 20, 2011 2:19 PM
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:59 PM,<mat.enders at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> You have to click the button on the upper left to share you mic in order to also
>> receive sound.
>      Ah, I see it.   Is there a way to just listen in, though?  I'm
> working on some things; just wanted to monitor what was going on, not
> join in altogether...
>


From rjclay at gmail.com  Sun Mar 20 14:50:46 2011
From: rjclay at gmail.com (Robert J. Clay)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:50:46 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
In-Reply-To: <4D864942.3060907@ameritech.net>
References: <20110320.142745.28662.3@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>
	<4D864942.3060907@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Gntq5Ywx8nJiCWGSE1TbExGUs8hvgXyc_Kr9+@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Brian Brodsky
<brianbrodsky at ameritech.net> wrote:
> I am still not getting sound.

     And I'm back to not getting sound...   No response in chat, but
glb may not be monitoring that...


-- 
Robert J. Clay
rjclay at gmail.com


From gib at juno.com  Sun Mar 20 14:55:22 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:55:22 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Message-ID: <20110320.145522.28662.4@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>

Reconfigured mic selection.  How does it now.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Robert J. Clay" <rjclay at gmail.com>
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:50:46 -0400

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Brian Brodsky
<brianbrodsky at ameritech.net> wrote:
> I am still not getting sound.

     And I'm back to not getting sound...   No response in chat, but
glb may not be monitoring that...


-- 
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rjclay at gmail.com
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From brianbrodsky at ameritech.net  Sun Mar 20 15:02:33 2011
From: brianbrodsky at ameritech.net (Brian Brodsky)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:02:33 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
In-Reply-To: <20110320.145522.28662.4@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20110320.145522.28662.4@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4D864F49.9000704@ameritech.net>

Still no sound.

On 3/20/2011 2:55 PM, gib at juno.com wrote:
> Reconfigured mic selection.  How does it now.
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "Robert J. Clay"<rjclay at gmail.com>
> To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list"<mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:50:46 -0400
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Brian Brodsky
> <brianbrodsky at ameritech.net>  wrote:
>> I am still not getting sound.
>       And I'm back to not getting sound...   No response in chat, but
> glb may not be monitoring that...
>
>


From gib at juno.com  Sun Mar 20 15:26:12 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 19:26:12 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Message-ID: <20110320.152612.28662.6@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>

Sorry. I think this meeting is about to end.  

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Brian Brodsky <brianbrodsky at ameritech.net>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:02:33 -0400

Still no sound.

On 3/20/2011 2:55 PM, gib at juno.com wrote:
> Reconfigured mic selection.  How does it now.
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "Robert J. Clay"<rjclay at gmail.com>
> To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list"<mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:50:46 -0400
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Brian Brodsky
> <brianbrodsky at ameritech.net>  wrote:
>> I am still not getting sound.
>       And I'm back to not getting sound...   No response in chat, but
> glb may not be monitoring that...
>
>
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From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 21 23:01:02 2011
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 23:01:02 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Message-ID: <AANLkTinwpTKqVfAWmLQ4MeX=E_jzv3k-maOME_GBzsZq@mail.gmail.com>

Slipped through the cracks, somehow... sorry about that.

SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting announcement

The March 2011 SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting will be:
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
from 6:45 to 8:45 p.m.
Location: "Motor City Free Geek" facility
1511 Jarvis St.
Ferndale MI  48220

The meeting topic will be:
"Bridging a Digital Divide"
Michael Rudas will talk about cross-platform software (including
work-alikes) between Windows and Linux, with useful suggestions.
The facility is located east of Hilton (between Hilton and John R).
The new location is just north of the previous SIG-Linux meeting
location at the i3Detroit hackerspace.

Directions from the north:
Wanda Street runs south from 9 Mile Road.  Go south on Wanda from the
traffic light at 9 Mile Rd. The building is on the northwest corner of
Wanda and Jarvis (it's the first traffic light south of 9 Mile).
Directions from the south (a bit trickier, due to the railroad tracks
and divided highway):
Take 8 Mile Road.  From the west: Take the first turn-around east of
the railroad overpass.  From the east: turn right on West End Street
(last turn-off before the railroad overpass).  Take any subsequent
left--they all end at Wanda.  Turn right and go north to Jarvis.

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
 ? My Linux blog: SIG-Linux.blogspot.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey


From petertheplumber at att.net  Tue Mar 22 10:45:20 2011
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 10:45:20 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Not Hardware Failure
Message-ID: <1300805120.24772.146.camel@peter-eee>

Good Morning,
The other week my Eee went for a short trip to the pavement. While it
was secured in it's neoprene case, and it landed flat, it still went
down several feet. Soon after all sorts of errors started. I was not
happy, but I remembered reading that a good step to take diagnosing
hardware trouble is to reseat all the components. I'm pretty sure I read
that here and I think I know who, so I wanted to thank that person. 
I disassembled my Eee following the directions found here
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAqaPKF5-lM>, I just didn't put a
different drive in. I pulled the SSD, WiFi card and the RAM, cleaned
everything up and put it back in. It's been a week now with not a sign
of trouble.
Thanks!
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From tesral at wowway.com  Tue Mar 22 13:07:12 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:07:12 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Not Hardware Failure
In-Reply-To: <1300805120.24772.146.camel@peter-eee>
References: <1300805120.24772.146.camel@peter-eee>
Message-ID: <4D88D740.6030504@wowway.com>

Peter Bart wrote:
> Good Morning,
> The other week my Eee went for a short trip to the pavement. While it
> was secured in it's neoprene case, and it landed flat, it still went
> down several feet. Soon after all sorts of errors started. I was not
> happy, but I remembered reading that a good step to take diagnosing
> hardware trouble is to reseat all the components. I'm pretty sure I read
> that here and I think I know who, so I wanted to thank that person. 
> I disassembled my Eee following the directions found here
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAqaPKF5-lM>, I just didn't put a
> different drive in. I pulled the SSD, WiFi card and the RAM, cleaned
> everything up and put it back in. It's been a week now with not a sign
> of trouble.
> Thanks!
>   

I'm not sure who started it but it's called "doing the stupid stuff
first", at least by me.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Tue Mar 22 12:09:55 2011
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:09:55 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Not Hardware Failure
In-Reply-To: <4D88D740.6030504@wowway.com>
References: <1300805120.24772.146.camel@peter-eee>
	<4D88D740.6030504@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E74C8@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

"When in doubt, reseat the cables and cards."

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                        (313) 227-2317

 "Yes, but other than being useful, usable, reliable, extensible,
   free, and unencumbered, what does Linux have going for it?"
                       - Hamilcar Barca

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> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On
Behalf Of
> Garry Stahl
> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 1:07 PM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Not Hardware Failure
> 
> Peter Bart wrote:
> > Good Morning,
> > The other week my Eee went for a short trip to the pavement. While
it
> > was secured in it's neoprene case, and it landed flat, it still went
> > down several feet. Soon after all sorts of errors started. I was not
> > happy, but I remembered reading that a good step to take diagnosing
> > hardware trouble is to reseat all the components. I'm pretty sure I
read
> > that here and I think I know who, so I wanted to thank that person.
> > I disassembled my Eee following the directions found here
> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAqaPKF5-lM>, I just didn't put a
> > different drive in. I pulled the SSD, WiFi card and the RAM, cleaned
> > everything up and put it back in. It's been a week now with not a
sign
> > of trouble.
> > Thanks!
> >
> 
> I'm not sure who started it but it's called "doing the stupid stuff
> first", at least by me.
> 
> --
> Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.
> 
> Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the
rest is
> propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
> Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
> The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
> Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org
> 
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From gib at juno.com  Tue Mar 22 13:24:07 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 17:24:07 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Not Hardware Failure
Message-ID: <20110322.132407.26606.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>

Now if only plumbing were as easy.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Peter Bart <petertheplumber at att.net>
To: MDLUG Main List <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] Not Hardware Failure
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 10:45:20 -0400

Good Morning,
The other week my Eee went for a short trip to the pavement. While it
was secured in it's neoprene case, and it landed flat, it still went
down several feet. Soon after all sorts of errors started. I was not
happy, but I remembered reading that a good step to take diagnosing
hardware trouble is to reseat all the components. I'm pretty sure I read
that here and I think I know who, so I wanted to thank that person. 
I disassembled my Eee following the directions found here
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAqaPKF5-lM>, I just didn't put a
different drive in. I pulled the SSD, WiFi card and the RAM, cleaned
everything up and put it back in. It's been a week now with not a sign
of trouble.
Thanks!
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber

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From gib at juno.com  Tue Mar 22 18:57:08 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:57:08 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Message-ID: <20110322.185708.20347.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>


The MDLUG group has a new tool for you to try.  

During your meeting go to the folowing site:

http://blue.mdlug.org

Enter the meeting name: "SEMCO". This will set up a shared video/text/audio meeting for you to share with everyone.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Michael Rudas <audiotech50 at gmail.com>
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 23:01:02 -0400

Slipped through the cracks, somehow... sorry about that.

SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting announcement

The March 2011 SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting will be:
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
from 6:45 to 8:45 p.m.
Location: "Motor City Free Geek" facility
1511 Jarvis St.
Ferndale MI  48220

The meeting topic will be:
"Bridging a Digital Divide"
Michael Rudas will talk about cross-platform software (including
work-alikes) between Windows and Linux, with useful suggestions.
The facility is located east of Hilton (between Hilton and John R).
The new location is just north of the previous SIG-Linux meeting
location at the i3Detroit hackerspace.

Directions from the north:
Wanda Street runs south from 9 Mile Road.  Go south on Wanda from the
traffic light at 9 Mile Rd. The building is on the northwest corner of
Wanda and Jarvis (it's the first traffic light south of 9 Mile).
Directions from the south (a bit trickier, due to the railroad tracks
and divided highway):
Take 8 Mile Road.  From the west: Take the first turn-around east of
the railroad overpass.  From the east: turn right on West End Street
(last turn-off before the railroad overpass).  Take any subsequent
left--they all end at Wanda.  Turn right and go north to Jarvis.

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
 ? My Linux blog: SIG-Linux.blogspot.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug

____________________________________________________________
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From gib at juno.com  Tue Mar 22 18:58:30 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:58:30 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Fw: Cisler Lecture on Thursday, March 24
Message-ID: <20110322.185830.20347.2@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>



Please note: forwarded message attached

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Subject: Fw: Cisler Lecture on Thursday, March 24
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:13:38 GMT


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From gib at juno.com  Tue Mar 22 19:01:50 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 23:01:50 GMT
Subject: [mdlug]  Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Message-ID: <20110322.190150.20347.4@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>

I just started a meeting with this link:

http://blue.mdlug.org/bigbluebutton/demo/create.jsp?action=invite&meetingID=SEMCO%27s+meeting

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Cc: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:57:08 GMT


The MDLUG group has a new tool for you to try.  

During your meeting go to the folowing site:

http://blue.mdlug.org

Enter the meeting name: "SEMCO". This will set up a shared video/text/audio meeting for you to share with everyone.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Michael Rudas <audiotech50 at gmail.com>
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 23:01:02 -0400

Slipped through the cracks, somehow... sorry about that.

SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting announcement

The March 2011 SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting will be:
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
from 6:45 to 8:45 p.m.
Location: "Motor City Free Geek" facility
1511 Jarvis St.
Ferndale MI  48220

The meeting topic will be:
"Bridging a Digital Divide"
Michael Rudas will talk about cross-platform software (including
work-alikes) between Windows and Linux, with useful suggestions.
The facility is located east of Hilton (between Hilton and John R).
The new location is just north of the previous SIG-Linux meeting
location at the i3Detroit hackerspace.

Directions from the north:
Wanda Street runs south from 9 Mile Road.  Go south on Wanda from the
traffic light at 9 Mile Rd. The building is on the northwest corner of
Wanda and Jarvis (it's the first traffic light south of 9 Mile).
Directions from the south (a bit trickier, due to the railroad tracks
and divided highway):
Take 8 Mile Road.  From the west: Take the first turn-around east of
the railroad overpass.  From the east: turn right on West End Street
(last turn-off before the railroad overpass).  Take any subsequent
left--they all end at Wanda.  Turn right and go north to Jarvis.

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
 ? My Linux blog: SIG-Linux.blogspot.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug

____________________________________________________________
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From gib at juno.com  Tue Mar 22 20:12:46 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 00:12:46 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Message-ID: <20110322.201246.20347.9@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>

New meeting 

http://blue.mdlug.org/bigbluebutton/demo/create.jsp?action=invite&meetingID=SEMCO%27s+meeting

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Cc: mdlug at mdlug.org,  mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: [mdlug]  Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 23:01:50 GMT

I just started a meeting with this link:

http://blue.mdlug.org/bigbluebutton/demo/create.jsp?action=invite&meetingID=SEMCO%27s+meeting

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Cc: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:57:08 GMT


The MDLUG group has a new tool for you to try.  

During your meeting go to the folowing site:

http://blue.mdlug.org

Enter the meeting name: "SEMCO". This will set up a shared video/text/audio meeting for you to share with everyone.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Michael Rudas <audiotech50 at gmail.com>
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 23:01:02 -0400

Slipped through the cracks, somehow... sorry about that.

SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting announcement

The March 2011 SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting will be:
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
from 6:45 to 8:45 p.m.
Location: "Motor City Free Geek" facility
1511 Jarvis St.
Ferndale MI  48220

The meeting topic will be:
"Bridging a Digital Divide"
Michael Rudas will talk about cross-platform software (including
work-alikes) between Windows and Linux, with useful suggestions.
The facility is located east of Hilton (between Hilton and John R).
The new location is just north of the previous SIG-Linux meeting
location at the i3Detroit hackerspace.

Directions from the north:
Wanda Street runs south from 9 Mile Road.  Go south on Wanda from the
traffic light at 9 Mile Rd. The building is on the northwest corner of
Wanda and Jarvis (it's the first traffic light south of 9 Mile).
Directions from the south (a bit trickier, due to the railroad tracks
and divided highway):
Take 8 Mile Road.  From the west: Take the first turn-around east of
the railroad overpass.  From the east: turn right on West End Street
(last turn-off before the railroad overpass).  Take any subsequent
left--they all end at Wanda.  Turn right and go north to Jarvis.

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
 ? My Linux blog: SIG-Linux.blogspot.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug

____________________________________________________________
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From gib at juno.com  Tue Mar 22 20:30:22 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 00:30:22 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Message-ID: <20110322.203022.20347.10@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>

We are done with the testing for tonight.  Good night everyone.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
To: semcoug at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [mdlug]  Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 23:24:51 GMT



---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Cc: mdlug at mdlug.org,  mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: [mdlug]  Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 23:01:50 GMT

I just started a meeting with this link:

http://blue.mdlug.org/bigbluebutton/demo/create.jsp?action=invite&meetingID=SEMCO%27s+meeting

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Cc: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:57:08 GMT


The MDLUG group has a new tool for you to try.  

During your meeting go to the folowing site:

http://blue.mdlug.org

Enter the meeting name: "SEMCO". This will set up a shared video/text/audio meeting for you to share with everyone.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Michael Rudas <audiotech50 at gmail.com>
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 23:01:02 -0400

Slipped through the cracks, somehow... sorry about that.

SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting announcement

The March 2011 SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting will be:
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
from 6:45 to 8:45 p.m.
Location: "Motor City Free Geek" facility
1511 Jarvis St.
Ferndale MI  48220

The meeting topic will be:
"Bridging a Digital Divide"
Michael Rudas will talk about cross-platform software (including
work-alikes) between Windows and Linux, with useful suggestions.
The facility is located east of Hilton (between Hilton and John R).
The new location is just north of the previous SIG-Linux meeting
location at the i3Detroit hackerspace.

Directions from the north:
Wanda Street runs south from 9 Mile Road.  Go south on Wanda from the
traffic light at 9 Mile Rd. The building is on the northwest corner of
Wanda and Jarvis (it's the first traffic light south of 9 Mile).
Directions from the south (a bit trickier, due to the railroad tracks
and divided highway):
Take 8 Mile Road.  From the west: Take the first turn-around east of
the railroad overpass.  From the east: turn right on West End Street
(last turn-off before the railroad overpass).  Take any subsequent
left--they all end at Wanda.  Turn right and go north to Jarvis.

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
 ? My Linux blog: SIG-Linux.blogspot.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug

____________________________________________________________
Groupon&#8482 Official Site
1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city&#39;s best!
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d892a793c63a2e1aeast06vuc
_______________________________________________
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http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From gib at juno.com  Tue Mar 22 20:46:02 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 00:46:02 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Mar 20 ConCom Topic - Videoconference
Message-ID: <20110322.204602.20347.11@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>

We need a description of the big blue button for the ConCom and Penguicon.

Thought starters:
1. Video conferencing.
2. White boarding.
3. Sound sharing.
4. Text chat.
5. Multiple private rooms.

Equipment needed for partcipants:
1. Computer (display, keyboard).
2. Optional speakers or headphone for listening.
3. Optional microphone.
4. Bandwidth (more is better).

Equipment for hosting - note I have a server that I plan to loan out:
5. Optional additional servers to run the software (couple gigs memory).

My server is a  AMD Phenom II  X4 (true Quadcore design) 840 3.2 Ghz with 4 gig DDR3 1333 of memory.  I can build additional servers for $250.

---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: Krunal Desai <movszx at gmail.com>
To: gib at juno.com
Subject: Re: Mar 20 ConCom Topic - Videoconference
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:00:44 -0400

I like it; can you get me a brief desc. suitable for the program book, and a list of equipment needed (if any)?

--khd

On Mar 19, 2011, at 19:49 , gib at juno.com wrote:

> Possible tie-in for tech track for the videoconferencing software Big Blue Button (BBB):
> 
> 1. What is Big Blue Button (BBB) - install config 
> 2. Use BBB
> 3. We can use BBB to videocast many of the presentations.
> 4. Vidoecast the events
> 5. Use BBB to monitor OPS. Real time on-line OPS.
> 6. Walk around the dealer space with a web cam?
> 
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
> To: limeyone885 at gmail.com
> Cc: ossy at mpcon.org
> Subject: Re: Mar 20 ConCom Topic - Videoconference
> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 23:45:17 GMT
> 
> Great.  Thank you.
> 
> cc to Ozzie for network tie in.
> 
> Also I don't see a page for Chris Catlett. the members page link is broken for him.
> 
> Please note: message attached
> 
> From: Limey Z <limeyone885 at gmail.com>
> To: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: Mar 20 ConCom Topic - Videoconference
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 23:58:09 -0400
> 
> ____________________________________________________________
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From petertheplumber at att.net  Wed Mar 23 10:06:01 2011
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:06:01 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Not Hardware Failure
In-Reply-To: <20110322.132407.26606.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20110322.132407.26606.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <1300889161.24772.220.camel@peter-eee>

On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 17:24 +0000, gib at juno.com wrote: 
> Now if only plumbing were as easy.
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Peter Bart <petertheplumber at att.net>
> To: MDLUG Main List <mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: [mdlug] Not Hardware Failure
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 10:45:20 -0400
> 
> Good Morning,
> The other week my Eee went for a short trip to the pavement. While it
> was secured in it's neoprene case, and it landed flat, it still went
> down several feet. Soon after all sorts of errors started. I was not
> happy, but I remembered reading that a good step to take diagnosing
> hardware trouble is to reseat all the components. I'm pretty sure I
> read
> that here and I think I know who, so I wanted to thank that person. 
> I disassembled my Eee following the directions found here
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAqaPKF5-lM>, I just didn't put a
> different drive in. I pulled the SSD, WiFi card and the RAM, cleaned
> everything up and put it back in. It's been a week now with not a sign
> of trouble.
> Thanks!
> -- 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Peter The Plumber

I have a plan to make money off the easy stuff, I'm an artist and you
must pay me royalties every time you use water. I'm floating this idea
to other trades.

-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From tesral at wowway.com  Wed Mar 23 11:29:12 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:29:12 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
Message-ID: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com>

Does anyone still repair CRTs?

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From radkins at impelind.com  Wed Mar 23 10:43:39 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:43:39 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
In-Reply-To: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com>
References: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <DCD456966A49492EA2C6FA1E6EECADFF@Delta7>

I do not see the point.

The costs to repair a CRT is almost assuredly going to be higher than the
cost of purchasing a Flat Panel LCD with better specs.

Heck, it's even cheaper, in most cases, to just replace a flat panel monitor
or TV than have it repaired, unless one personally has the skills to
diagnose and replace parts on their own.

We live in the disposable future. It's not always environmentally the best
thing in the world, but man you can find a restaurant and set reservations
while walking around on the street without even making a phone call. Just
tap away, walk in and be seated when you arrive.

Regards,
Rob
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Garry Stahl
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 11:29 AM
> To: MDLUG Main
> Subject: [mdlug] CRT
> 
> Does anyone still repair CRTs?
> 
> --
> Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.
> 
> Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to 
> know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky Star Trek 
> mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur The Olde Phoenix Inn 
> http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com Metro Detroit Linux Users Group 
> http://www.mdlug.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> 



From petertheplumber at att.net  Wed Mar 23 11:06:02 2011
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:06:02 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
In-Reply-To: <DCD456966A49492EA2C6FA1E6EECADFF@Delta7>
References: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com>
	<DCD456966A49492EA2C6FA1E6EECADFF@Delta7>
Message-ID: <1300892762.24772.223.camel@peter-eee>

On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 10:43 -0400, Robert Adkins II wrote: 
> I do not see the point.
> 
> The costs to repair a CRT is almost assuredly going to be higher than the
> cost of purchasing a Flat Panel LCD with better specs.
> 
> Heck, it's even cheaper, in most cases, to just replace a flat panel monitor
> or TV than have it repaired, unless one personally has the skills to
> diagnose and replace parts on their own.
> 
> We live in the disposable future. It's not always environmentally the best
> thing in the world, but man you can find a restaurant and set reservations
> while walking around on the street without even making a phone call. Just
> tap away, walk in and be seated when you arrive.
> 
> Regards,
> Rob
>  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> > [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Garry Stahl
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 11:29 AM
> > To: MDLUG Main
> > Subject: [mdlug] CRT
> > 
> > Does anyone still repair CRTs?
> > 
Wayne County has several hazardous material collection days throughout
the year when you can drop off stuff like that, if you choose to dispose
of it.
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From radkins at impelind.com  Wed Mar 23 11:08:41 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:08:41 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
In-Reply-To: <1300892762.24772.223.camel@peter-eee>
References: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com><DCD456966A49492EA2C6FA1E6EECADFF@Delta7>
	<1300892762.24772.223.camel@peter-eee>
Message-ID: <FDBC9B3EBA2D4BD4A308CC1F64940650@Delta7>


I shouldn't have assumed this is just a personal computer CRT screen.

If it is an industrial controller screen, it might be cost effective to
repair, because many controllers simply cannot have a completely different
type of screen installed in them, even if something of a similar size or
with an adapter can be made available.

At which point, it's usually best to contact the industrial controller or
machinery vendor/repair service to have that taken care of and even then,
they will likely suggest buying a newly made CRT screen for it as the costs
are usually negligible between repair and new and the new will have a
warranty lasting longer than 60 to 90 days.

Regards,
Rob


 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Peter Bart
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 11:06 AM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] CRT
> 
> On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 10:43 -0400, Robert Adkins II wrote: 
> > I do not see the point.
> > 
> > The costs to repair a CRT is almost assuredly going to be 
> higher than 
> > the cost of purchasing a Flat Panel LCD with better specs.
> > 
> > Heck, it's even cheaper, in most cases, to just replace a 
> flat panel 
> > monitor or TV than have it repaired, unless one personally has the 
> > skills to diagnose and replace parts on their own.
> > 
> > We live in the disposable future. It's not always 
> environmentally the 
> > best thing in the world, but man you can find a restaurant and set 
> > reservations while walking around on the street without 
> even making a 
> > phone call. Just tap away, walk in and be seated when you arrive.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Rob
> >  
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
> > > [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Garry Stahl
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 11:29 AM
> > > To: MDLUG Main
> > > Subject: [mdlug] CRT
> > > 
> > > Does anyone still repair CRTs?
> > > 
> Wayne County has several hazardous material collection days 
> throughout the year when you can drop off stuff like that, if 
> you choose to dispose of it.
> --
> Best Regards,
> 
> Peter The Plumber
> 
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From tesral at wowway.com  Wed Mar 23 12:47:30 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:47:30 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
In-Reply-To: <DCD456966A49492EA2C6FA1E6EECADFF@Delta7>
References: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com>
	<DCD456966A49492EA2C6FA1E6EECADFF@Delta7>
Message-ID: <4D8A2422.1020006@wowway.com>

Robert Adkins II wrote:
> I do not see the point.
>
> The costs to repair a CRT is almost assuredly going to be higher than the
> cost of purchasing a Flat Panel LCD with better specs.
>
>   

Older monitor I use with the Amigas.  It syncs down to their level. 
However it is not as limited as the actual Commodoe monitors I have.  So
yes, I want it repaired.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 12:15:49 2011
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:15:49 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
In-Reply-To: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com>
References: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim06u+i_5Tt+wqDMKtCY-aAHWG0T0yAjV-PT1Lf@mail.gmail.com>

--- Garry Stahl wrote:
> Does anyone still repair CRTs?

As you may know, I used to repair monitors for a living.  A LOT
depends on what the problems and symptoms are, as well as the brand
and model involved.  You can buy a decent 17-inch CRT monitor used for
under $20, and they are still better than LC displays in some ways.
Often the problem is nothing more than bad solder connections.

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
?  My Linux blog: Linux-SIG.blogspot.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey


From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Wed Mar 23 12:21:59 2011
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:21:59 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
In-Reply-To: <DCD456966A49492EA2C6FA1E6EECADFF@Delta7>
References: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com>
	<DCD456966A49492EA2C6FA1E6EECADFF@Delta7>
Message-ID: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E7554@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Robert Adkins II

> The costs to repair a CRT is almost assuredly going to be higher than
the
> cost of purchasing a Flat Panel LCD with better specs.

 CRTs have better specs at low resolutions. Old software, particularly
games, don't always support 1920x1080 and so forth. For that particular
purpose, CRTs still have a few charms. :-)

 Sincerely,

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From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 12:24:37 2011
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:24:37 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
In-Reply-To: <4D8A2422.1020006@wowway.com>
References: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com>
	<DCD456966A49492EA2C6FA1E6EECADFF@Delta7>
	<4D8A2422.1020006@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikB8mF3_ZN2WEiztF2unt+XeFOoYNT0s+WR0oXD@mail.gmail.com>

--- Garry Stahl wrote:

> Older monitor I use with the Amigas. ?It syncs down to their level.
> However it is not as limited as the actual Commodore monitors I have. ?So
> yes, I want it repaired.

I am quite familiar with the Amiga-compatible multi-sync monitors (I
have fixed many of them over the years), and probably can repair
it--unless it's a bad CRT.  Since they were compatible with Amiga
(NTSC scan and signal compatible) they are hard to replace now--no
standard PC monitor will work the same.  Drop me a note off-list and
we'll get it going.

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
?  My Linux blog: Linux-SIG.blogspot.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey


From rrclark at rrclark.net  Wed Mar 23 11:54:46 2011
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (rrclark at rrclark.net)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:54:46 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
In-Reply-To: <4D8A2422.1020006@wowway.com>
References: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com>
	<DCD456966A49492EA2C6FA1E6EECADFF@Delta7>
	<4D8A2422.1020006@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <b439f65774988e30f26720cc9fc1bea7.squirrel@rrclark.net>


> Older monitor I use with the Amigas.  It syncs down to their level.
> However it is not as limited as the actual Commodoe monitors I have.  So
> yes, I want it repaired.

http://www.mbmsolutions.com/

I used to work for them. They should still be doing component level repair
on monitors.



From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 13:22:03 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:22:03 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
In-Reply-To: <DCD456966A49492EA2C6FA1E6EECADFF@Delta7>
References: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com>
	<DCD456966A49492EA2C6FA1E6EECADFF@Delta7>
Message-ID: <4D8A2C3B.9030907@gmail.com>

Robert Adkins II wrote:
> I do not see the point.
> 
> The costs to repair a CRT is almost assuredly going to be higher than the
> cost of purchasing a Flat Panel LCD with better specs.
> 
> Heck, it's even cheaper, in most cases, to just replace a flat panel monitor
> or TV than have it repaired, unless one personally has the skills to
> diagnose and replace parts on their own.
> 
> We live in the disposable future. It's not always environmentally the best
> thing in the world,

I'm not sure about that... the cost of things reflects two inputs --
the energy to obtain the materials, and the amount of person-hours
needed to obtain the materials, work the materials into objects,
and assemble the objects.

If buying brand new is cheaper than repairing, this indicates that
repairing is actually the more inefficient process.

This is Adam Smith's "invisible hand" or the market place
at work -- Neither you or I can know the exact inputs into
everything, but prices transmit accumulated information which
nobody could ever keep track of. [This is why demand-side
and command economies like the Soviet Union and N. Korea
always wind up as complete failures -- the replacement of
market prices with political decisions causes massive
inefficiencies which are never identified.]

> but man you can find a restaurant and set reservations
> while walking around on the street without even making a phone call. Just
> tap away, walk in and be seated when you arrive.
> 
> Regards,
> Rob
>  
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
>> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Garry Stahl
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 11:29 AM
>> To: MDLUG Main
>> Subject: [mdlug] CRT
>>
>> Does anyone still repair CRTs?
>>
>> --
>> Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.
>>
>> Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to 
>> know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky Star Trek 
>> mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur The Olde Phoenix Inn 
>> http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com Metro Detroit Linux Users Group 
>> http://www.mdlug.org
>>
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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 13:23:06 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:23:06 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
In-Reply-To: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com>
References: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <4D8A2C7A.4050004@gmail.com>

Garry Stahl wrote:
> Does anyone still repair CRTs?
> 

What's wrong with it?


From tesral at wowway.com  Wed Mar 23 16:06:01 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 16:06:01 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
In-Reply-To: <4D8A2C7A.4050004@gmail.com>
References: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com> <4D8A2C7A.4050004@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D8A52A9.3060705@wowway.com>

Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> What's wrong with it?
Turn on, after a few seconds the screen goes dead.  Turn off, turn on
again, same thing.


-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 15:47:10 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:47:10 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
In-Reply-To: <4D8A52A9.3060705@wowway.com>
References: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com> <4D8A2C7A.4050004@gmail.com>
	<4D8A52A9.3060705@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <4D8A4E3E.2080508@gmail.com>

Garry Stahl wrote:
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>> What's wrong with it?
> Turn on, after a few seconds the screen goes dead.  Turn off, turn on
> again, same thing.

Transient problem... 
I woudn't be surprised if it was exactly what Mike Rudas
said -- bad solder connection: current flows, heats part --
heating causes thermal expansion of part which in turn
causes the solder joint to separate, causing current to
stop, or become reduced to the point that the screen
stops displaying anything.

More specifically, my bet is that the joint in question
is on a conductive path which follows from the positive
side of the AC/DC converter to the power supply to either
the electron gun controllers (power pin on those amplifiers),
or to the heater at the base of the CRT. (being a tube, it
has a heater in it).
Worst case scenario: the heater itself is failing.



From tony at bemushosting.com  Wed Mar 23 15:54:34 2011
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:54:34 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: Meeting Presentations and Tech Tips]
Message-ID: <1300910074.29561.6.camel@bemus-remote>

We are looking for someone to give one or more Tech Tip presentations.
Tech tips can be short (5 to 15 min) and command line based.  Please
email me if you are interested sectary at mdlug.org

We are also looking for people to give Presentations.  You don't have to
be the expert on the topic but be able to lead a discussion and some
info on the topic.  Again Please email me if you are interested
sectary at mdlug.org

Tony Bemus
MDLUG Sectary 
sectary at mdlug.org
www.mdlug.org






From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 25 02:45:19 2011
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 02:45:19 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
In-Reply-To: <4D8A52A9.3060705@wowway.com>
References: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com> <4D8A2C7A.4050004@gmail.com>
	<4D8A52A9.3060705@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinxgNSEyrK+XCj+Q5CHhPHumriNvTW7r3U6kyWr@mail.gmail.com>

--- Garry Stahl  wrote:

> --- Aaron Kulkis wrote:

>> What's wrong with it?

> Turn on, after a few seconds the screen goes dead.
>  Turn off, turn on again, same thing.

It's PROBABLY fixable.  Many monitors of that vintage have a
dry-capacitor problem that will cause that symptom.  The high voltage
monitor and/or control circuits have a filter cap that, when open
(dry) can't filter out transients.  Rarely, it's a bad flyback.

?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
 ? My Linux blog: Linux-SIG.blogspot.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey


From tony at bemushosting.com  Fri Mar 25 21:44:52 2011
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 21:44:52 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] ulteo and office suite application server
Message-ID: <1301103892.2147.6.camel@bemus-tony>

I was surfing and looking at running my own web based office server and
I ran across the Ulteo site.  This looks very interesting.  publishing
applications and desktops through a webbrowser.  Anyone deal with this
or something like it?
http://www.ulteo.com/home/en/home?autolang=en

I was also looking for a way to run my own Office suite server similar
to Google Apps or the new web version of M$ Office 2010.  I found
Thinkfree (http://member.thinkfree.com/member/goLandingPage.action) but
its not free.  I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions?

Tony Bemus



From micorral at comcast.net  Sat Mar 26 13:25:47 2011
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 13:25:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Free Fedora stuff
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1103261304020.1649@banana.sluggo.net>

Follow the directions here if you want some free Fedora stickers
and case badges:

<https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Thank_You>

It'll just cost you two 44 cent stamps; not a bad deal.
I sent for mine today. I've heard they're really nice.

Michael


From gib at juno.com  Sun Mar 27 20:09:19 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 00:09:19 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] [ubuntu-us-mi] REMINDER! Ubuntu Global Jam for 11.04 -
	April 3rd
Message-ID: <20110327.200919.12265.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>

Tony, the Secretary for the "MDLUG.org" group has come up with a cool solution for attending remote meetings.  An open source solution called "Big Blue Button". The club has been testing a version of this. I have my own copy running at the following address: http://76.242.100.172/ Just enter a name and logon.  You can share your microphone by clicking the microphone icon in the upper left. Same with a camera with the camera icon.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com>
To: Ubuntu Michigan Local Community Team <ubuntu-us-mi at lists.ubuntu.com>,  Grand Rapids Linux Users Group <grlug at grlug.org>, Patrick TenHoopen <president at wmlug.org>
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-mi] REMINDER! Ubuntu Global Jam for 11.04 - April 3rd
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 14:54:31 -0400

Even though I have no confirmed riders for the meeting so far, I'm
still coming from the Grand Rapids area. If anyone would like to meet
in Grand Rapids or anywhere along I-96 to Ann Arbor, let me know.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Greg Grossmeier <greg at grossmeier.net> wrote:
> Reminder!
>
> We're about one week away from the Natty Global Jam being held in Ann
> Arbor. Details and RSVP url are below.
>
> Greg
>
> <quoting name="Greg Grossmeier" date="2011-03-09" time="22:47:48 -0500">
>> Ubuntu Global Jam for Ubuntu 11.04 - Natty Narwhal
>> &#65533; &#65533; April 3rd, 12noon - 5pm
>> &#65533; &#65533; SRT Solutions, 206 S. Fifth Ave in Ann Arbor
>> &#65533; &#65533; RSVP: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/779/detail/
>>
>> The next release of Ubuntu will be one of the most ambitious releases
>> yet. By replacing the default interface with Unity, changing to the newly
>> released LibreOffice Suite, and upgrading the default python version to
>> 2.7 this version of Ubuntu promises to be a spectacular upgrade.
>>
>> Because of all these major overhauls it is important to get as many
>> people as possible testing, reporting bugs, triaging, and bug fixing
>> before final release day. Come to the Michigan LoCo's Ubuntu Global Jam
>> to help ensure this release is the best it can be.
>>
>> We will be doing test installs and upgrades, hardware compatibility
>> checking, along with some bug reporting and triaging. No prior experience
>> is required; we'll be working together and in teams to help get everyone
>> up to speed and contributing.
>>
>> Bring your laptop(s), netbook(s), and USB disks for test installs. Snacks
>> will be provided.
>>
>> If you can, stay after the Jam for some post-event revelry at a local
>> establishment (location TBD).
>>
>>
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From radkins at impelind.com  Tue Mar 29 10:16:52 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:16:52 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
Message-ID: <7413B03E276549C488AE7723CF960242@Delta7>

I am seeking to force certain users into trimming back the size of their
email stored on the IMAP server. Much of the data itself doesn't need to be
stored in email long term, as it is replicated elsewhere on the network.
 
The problem is, if I just toss in a quota I am concerned that there will be
no warning, just suddenly they will be unable to send/receive email. Nothing
I am seeing the in the tools for enabling quotas suggests that the users
will receive any form of warning.
 
Is this true?
 
Thanks,
Rob


From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Tue Mar 29 10:30:07 2011
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:30:07 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
In-Reply-To: <7413B03E276549C488AE7723CF960242@Delta7>
Message-ID: <C9B76487.53DA%gregwojtak@quickenloans.com>

I believe what you're describing are soft quotas (as opposed to hard
quotas).  I've never set them up myself, but the user is indeed supposed
to be notified when he has reached his soft quota.  Also at that point, a
grace period countdown begins.  Due to my lack of hands on experience with
them, however, I don't know the method of notification (a message at
login, email, a pillow case full of doorknobs to the head...).

On 2011-03-29 10:16 AM, "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com> wrote:

>I am seeking to force certain users into trimming back the size of their
>email stored on the IMAP server. Much of the data itself doesn't need to
>be
>stored in email long term, as it is replicated elsewhere on the network.
> 
>The problem is, if I just toss in a quota I am concerned that there will
>be
>no warning, just suddenly they will be unable to send/receive email.
>Nothing
>I am seeing the in the tools for enabling quotas suggests that the users
>will receive any form of warning.
> 
>Is this true?
> 
>Thanks,
>Rob
>_______________________________________________
>mdlug mailing list
>mdlug at mdlug.org
>http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From radkins at impelind.com  Tue Mar 29 10:47:21 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:47:21 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
In-Reply-To: <4D91EFCB.7000404@umich.edu>
References: <7413B03E276549C488AE7723CF960242@Delta7>
	<4D91EFCB.7000404@umich.edu>
Message-ID: <5536C5A16F974D34B22D48AEB021FDE3@Delta7>

Thank you Mark.

I did actually install a new HD into the server and made it the new /home
directory.

The reason for holding these users to a quota is important. If I do not,
then they will continue to grow their email storage, indefinitely. It is
literally a teeth pulling operation to "permanently" remove data from the
servers that is 6 years out of date. So, I'm looking at having to manage
inboxes with a potential size of "unlimited".

Thanks,
Rob

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Montague [mailto:markmont at umich.edu] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:42 AM
> To: mdlug at mdlug.org; radkins at impelind.com
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
> 
>   On March 29, 2011 10:16 , "Robert Adkins II" 
> <radkins at impelind.com> wrote:
> > I am seeking to force certain users into trimming back the size of 
> > their email stored on the IMAP server. Much of the data 
> itself doesn't 
> > need to be stored in email long term, as it is replicated 
> elsewhere on the network.
> >
> > The problem is, if I just toss in a quota I am concerned that there 
> > will be no warning, just suddenly they will be unable to 
> send/receive 
> > email. Nothing I am seeing the in the tools for enabling quotas 
> > suggests that the users will receive any form of warning.
> >
> > Is this true?
> 
> Are you sure you want to impose quotas?  At the University of 
> Michigan (for example), adding another drive to an IMAP 
> server's RAID array (or upgrading the drives to higher 
> capacity ones, if possible) is cheaper than imposing and 
> managing quotas, and then paying for the resulting end user 
> support.  Plenty of people have 5 GB, 10 GB, even 20 GB 
> mailboxes, and the very rare problem cases can usually be 
> addressed by having a chat with the offending user.  (If this 
> sounds radical, keep in mind that as of today, Google is 
> providing 7.6 GB per user at no cost, with extra space 
> available very cheaply).
> 
> Alternatively, have a script that runs daily that sends 
> annoying nags to people who are using more space than you 
> would like.  "You have more than 10 GB of email on the 
> server; please be a good citizen and free up some space.  
> Call 555-1234 if you'd like assistance with downloading 
> some of it to your desktop, or otherwise archiving it."    
> You may also 
> want this script to look for and notify the user about common problems
> -- such as a Trash or Junk Mail folder that has lots of 
> things in it (hundreds of megabytes).
> 
> But, assuming you really do want to use quotas:
> 
> - Use IMAP quotas rather than Unix filesystem quotas, if at 
> all possible.  This will give you much more "intelligence", 
> nicer failure modes, and hopefully better control.
> 
> - Configure your SMTP / LMTP server to hold messages for up 
> to 7 days if they cannot be delivered due to a mailbox being 
> over quota.  Only bounce (or discard) the message after that 
> time, if the user has not freed up space in their quota.  
> Test this regularly to be sure that messages only get 
> delayed, not lost, if a user goes over quota but then frees 
> up space within a week.
> 
> - Provide a web interface where people can check their 
> current quota usage.
> 
> - Keep in mind that if the user uses a client that uses a 
> Trash folder, this can sometimes complicate things.  See the 
> question "Why can't I delete any messages from my over-quota 
> mailbox?" at http://www.cyrusimap.org/docs/cyrus-imapd/2.4.6/faq.php
> 
> - Run a script such as the one described above that warns 
> people when they get close to their quota so that they are 
> not surprised.
> 
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> --
>    Mark Montague
>    mark at catseye.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
>    Mark Montague
>    mark at catseye.org
> 



From markmont at umich.edu  Tue Mar 29 10:42:19 2011
From: markmont at umich.edu (Mark Montague)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:42:19 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
In-Reply-To: <7413B03E276549C488AE7723CF960242@Delta7>
References: <7413B03E276549C488AE7723CF960242@Delta7>
Message-ID: <4D91EFCB.7000404@umich.edu>

  On March 29, 2011 10:16 , "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com> wrote:
> I am seeking to force certain users into trimming back the size of their
> email stored on the IMAP server. Much of the data itself doesn't need to be
> stored in email long term, as it is replicated elsewhere on the network.
>
> The problem is, if I just toss in a quota I am concerned that there will be
> no warning, just suddenly they will be unable to send/receive email. Nothing
> I am seeing the in the tools for enabling quotas suggests that the users
> will receive any form of warning.
>
> Is this true?

Are you sure you want to impose quotas?  At the University of Michigan 
(for example), adding another drive to an IMAP server's RAID array (or 
upgrading the drives to higher capacity ones, if possible) is cheaper 
than imposing and managing quotas, and then paying for the resulting end 
user support.  Plenty of people have 5 GB, 10 GB, even 20 GB mailboxes, 
and the very rare problem cases can usually be addressed by having a 
chat with the offending user.  (If this sounds radical, keep in mind 
that as of today, Google is providing 7.6 GB per user at no cost, with 
extra space available very cheaply).

Alternatively, have a script that runs daily that sends annoying nags to 
people who are using more space than you would like.  "You have more 
than 10 GB of email on the server; please be a good citizen and free up 
some space.  Call 555-1234 if you'd like assistance with downloading 
some of it to your desktop, or otherwise archiving it."    You may also 
want this script to look for and notify the user about common problems 
-- such as a Trash or Junk Mail folder that has lots of things in it 
(hundreds of megabytes).

But, assuming you really do want to use quotas:

- Use IMAP quotas rather than Unix filesystem quotas, if at all 
possible.  This will give you much more "intelligence", nicer failure 
modes, and hopefully better control.

- Configure your SMTP / LMTP server to hold messages for up to 7 days if 
they cannot be delivered due to a mailbox being over quota.  Only bounce 
(or discard) the message after that time, if the user has not freed up 
space in their quota.  Test this regularly to be sure that messages only 
get delayed, not lost, if a user goes over quota but then frees up space 
within a week.

- Provide a web interface where people can check their current quota usage.

- Keep in mind that if the user uses a client that uses a Trash folder, 
this can sometimes complicate things.  See the question "Why can't I 
delete any messages from my over-quota mailbox?" at 
http://www.cyrusimap.org/docs/cyrus-imapd/2.4.6/faq.php

- Run a script such as the one described above that warns people when 
they get close to their quota so that they are not surprised.


I hope this helps.

--
   Mark Montague
   mark at catseye.org




--
   Mark Montague
   mark at catseye.org


From markmont at umich.edu  Tue Mar 29 11:02:44 2011
From: markmont at umich.edu (Mark Montague)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:02:44 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
In-Reply-To: <5536C5A16F974D34B22D48AEB021FDE3@Delta7>
References: <7413B03E276549C488AE7723CF960242@Delta7>
	<4D91EFCB.7000404@umich.edu>
	<5536C5A16F974D34B22D48AEB021FDE3@Delta7>
Message-ID: <4D91F494.3000801@umich.edu>

  On March 29, 2011 10:47 , "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com> 
wrote:
> The reason for holding these users to a quota is important. If I do not,
> then they will continue to grow their email storage, indefinitely. It is
> literally a teeth pulling operation to "permanently" remove data from the
> servers that is 6 years out of date. So, I'm looking at having to manage
> inboxes with a potential size of "unlimited".

That's the same situation that the University of Michigan is in with 
their main campus-wide IMAP service, actually, and it hasn't caused a 
problem.  There are no quotas, and the potential size of inboxes is 
"unlimited".  Most people don't keep tons of mail, and the rate of 
growth of email storage is entirely manageable.  Keep in mind that while 
most students will leave after 4-5 years (undergraduate) or 7-9 (Ph.D.) 
-- and mailboxes are deleted around 6 months to one year after someone 
departs -- most staff and faculty stick around for longer.

I've included some statistics below that some people may find interesting.

--
   Mark Montague
   mark at catseye.org


------------------------------
  IMAP Usage Summary 2011-03-28
------------------------------

--- total disk data  ---
64.84 TB (73.2%) disk used of 88.63 TB total
There are 14.93 TB left before 90% utilization

--- total size data  ---
61.86 TB total for 85342 users

average:  760.03 MB
median:   302.01 MB

--- user size distribution ---
under 50MB:   21776  25.52%
under 200MB:  35850  42.01%
over 1GB:     18994  22.26%
over 5GB:      1373   1.61%

--- aggregate folder sizes ---
trash:     1259.36 GB  (2.0%)
SpamBox:    102.29 GB  (0.2%)

--- usage statistics ---
active users:    69510 (81.4%) -- read or received mail
logged in users: 52521 (61.5%)
disabled users:   5370 ( 6.3%)

--- client statistics ---
web users:     41195 (78.4%)  web-only users:        0 ( 0.0%)
proxy users:   52521 (100.0%)  proxy-only users:  11325 (21.6%)
gpcc users:        3 ( 0.0%)  gpcc-only users:       1 ( 0.0%)

--- messages delivered ---
10604330 total messages delivered
   127429 messages delivered to SpamBox ( 1.2%)

--- total system load ---
336284.64 total system load
      4.84 active user average load

--- load by process ---
imap: 295236.43    pop:  18896.48    lmtp:  22151.72
            87.8%              5.6%               6.6%

--- total logins ---
imap: 28561295    pop: 7245908
          79.8%           20.2%




From radkins at impelind.com  Tue Mar 29 11:07:25 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:07:25 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
In-Reply-To: <4D91F494.3000801@umich.edu>
References: <7413B03E276549C488AE7723CF960242@Delta7>
	<4D91EFCB.7000404@umich.edu>
	<5536C5A16F974D34B22D48AEB021FDE3@Delta7>
	<4D91F494.3000801@umich.edu>
Message-ID: <AB4560BF101D416A81634AF5E8034BEE@Delta7>


Two of the users in question receive hundreds of megabytes of data and also
forward to other users inhouse and out that are also into the hundreds of
megabytes.

This can quickly become an unmanageable situation.

Also... The amount of email and size of files has been increasing
considerably as well.

My archiving activities on job related drives has had to be ramped up
considerably to keep from hitting the drive empty ceiling. What used to take
upwards of 6 to 8 months is now filled up in 3 to 5 months.

Thanks again,
-Rob

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Montague [mailto:markmont at umich.edu] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:03 AM
> To: Robert Adkins II
> Cc: mdlug at mdlug.org
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
> 
>   On March 29, 2011 10:47 , "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com>
> wrote:
> > The reason for holding these users to a quota is important. If I do 
> > not, then they will continue to grow their email storage, 
> > indefinitely. It is literally a teeth pulling operation to 
> > "permanently" remove data from the servers that is 6 years out of 
> > date. So, I'm looking at having to manage inboxes with a 
> potential size of "unlimited".
> 
> That's the same situation that the University of Michigan is 
> in with their main campus-wide IMAP service, actually, and it 
> hasn't caused a problem.  There are no quotas, and the 
> potential size of inboxes is "unlimited".  Most people don't 
> keep tons of mail, and the rate of growth of email storage is 
> entirely manageable.  Keep in mind that while most students 
> will leave after 4-5 years (undergraduate) or 7-9 (Ph.D.)
> -- and mailboxes are deleted around 6 months to one year 
> after someone departs -- most staff and faculty stick around 
> for longer.
> 
> I've included some statistics below that some people may find 
> interesting.
> 
> --
>    Mark Montague
>    mark at catseye.org
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
>   IMAP Usage Summary 2011-03-28
> ------------------------------
> 
> --- total disk data  ---
> 64.84 TB (73.2%) disk used of 88.63 TB total There are 14.93 
> TB left before 90% utilization
> 
> --- total size data  ---
> 61.86 TB total for 85342 users
> 
> average:  760.03 MB
> median:   302.01 MB
> 
> --- user size distribution ---
> under 50MB:   21776  25.52%
> under 200MB:  35850  42.01%
> over 1GB:     18994  22.26%
> over 5GB:      1373   1.61%
> 
> --- aggregate folder sizes ---
> trash:     1259.36 GB  (2.0%)
> SpamBox:    102.29 GB  (0.2%)
> 
> --- usage statistics ---
> active users:    69510 (81.4%) -- read or received mail
> logged in users: 52521 (61.5%)
> disabled users:   5370 ( 6.3%)
> 
> --- client statistics ---
> web users:     41195 (78.4%)  web-only users:        0 ( 0.0%)
> proxy users:   52521 (100.0%)  proxy-only users:  11325 (21.6%)
> gpcc users:        3 ( 0.0%)  gpcc-only users:       1 ( 0.0%)
> 
> --- messages delivered ---
> 10604330 total messages delivered
>    127429 messages delivered to SpamBox ( 1.2%)
> 
> --- total system load ---
> 336284.64 total system load
>       4.84 active user average load
> 
> --- load by process ---
> imap: 295236.43    pop:  18896.48    lmtp:  22151.72
>             87.8%              5.6%               6.6%
> 
> --- total logins ---
> imap: 28561295    pop: 7245908
>           79.8%           20.2%
> 
> 
> 



From oogs at umich.edu  Tue Mar 29 11:13:21 2011
From: oogs at umich.edu (Chris Baldwin)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:13:21 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
In-Reply-To: <AB4560BF101D416A81634AF5E8034BEE@Delta7>
References: <7413B03E276549C488AE7723CF960242@Delta7>	<4D91EFCB.7000404@umich.edu>	<5536C5A16F974D34B22D48AEB021FDE3@Delta7>	<4D91F494.3000801@umich.edu>
	<AB4560BF101D416A81634AF5E8034BEE@Delta7>
Message-ID: <4D91F711.4060508@umich.edu>

It sounds like you might want to consider other methods for this data 
transfer. Have you thought about setting up an sftp server, or maybe 
subscribing to a service like dropbox? This way they can just email each 
other links and/or directories.

-Chris B.

On 3/29/11 11:07 AM, Robert Adkins II wrote:
> Two of the users in question receive hundreds of megabytes of data and also
> forward to other users inhouse and out that are also into the hundreds of
> megabytes.
>
> This can quickly become an unmanageable situation.
>
> Also... The amount of email and size of files has been increasing
> considerably as well.
>
> My archiving activities on job related drives has had to be ramped up
> considerably to keep from hitting the drive empty ceiling. What used to take
> upwards of 6 to 8 months is now filled up in 3 to 5 months.
>
> Thanks again,
> -Rob
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mark Montague [mailto:markmont at umich.edu]
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:03 AM
>> To: Robert Adkins II
>> Cc: mdlug at mdlug.org
>> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
>>
>>    On March 29, 2011 10:47 , "Robert Adkins II"<radkins at impelind.com>
>> wrote:
>>> The reason for holding these users to a quota is important. If I do
>>> not, then they will continue to grow their email storage,
>>> indefinitely. It is literally a teeth pulling operation to
>>> "permanently" remove data from the servers that is 6 years out of
>>> date. So, I'm looking at having to manage inboxes with a
>> potential size of "unlimited".
>>
>> That's the same situation that the University of Michigan is
>> in with their main campus-wide IMAP service, actually, and it
>> hasn't caused a problem.  There are no quotas, and the
>> potential size of inboxes is "unlimited".  Most people don't
>> keep tons of mail, and the rate of growth of email storage is
>> entirely manageable.  Keep in mind that while most students
>> will leave after 4-5 years (undergraduate) or 7-9 (Ph.D.)
>> -- and mailboxes are deleted around 6 months to one year
>> after someone departs -- most staff and faculty stick around
>> for longer.
>>
>> I've included some statistics below that some people may find
>> interesting.
>>
>> --
>>     Mark Montague
>>     mark at catseye.org
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>    IMAP Usage Summary 2011-03-28
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> --- total disk data  ---
>> 64.84 TB (73.2%) disk used of 88.63 TB total There are 14.93
>> TB left before 90% utilization
>>
>> --- total size data  ---
>> 61.86 TB total for 85342 users
>>
>> average:  760.03 MB
>> median:   302.01 MB
>>
>> --- user size distribution ---
>> under 50MB:   21776  25.52%
>> under 200MB:  35850  42.01%
>> over 1GB:     18994  22.26%
>> over 5GB:      1373   1.61%
>>
>> --- aggregate folder sizes ---
>> trash:     1259.36 GB  (2.0%)
>> SpamBox:    102.29 GB  (0.2%)
>>
>> --- usage statistics ---
>> active users:    69510 (81.4%) -- read or received mail
>> logged in users: 52521 (61.5%)
>> disabled users:   5370 ( 6.3%)
>>
>> --- client statistics ---
>> web users:     41195 (78.4%)  web-only users:        0 ( 0.0%)
>> proxy users:   52521 (100.0%)  proxy-only users:  11325 (21.6%)
>> gpcc users:        3 ( 0.0%)  gpcc-only users:       1 ( 0.0%)
>>
>> --- messages delivered ---
>> 10604330 total messages delivered
>>     127429 messages delivered to SpamBox ( 1.2%)
>>
>> --- total system load ---
>> 336284.64 total system load
>>        4.84 active user average load
>>
>> --- load by process ---
>> imap: 295236.43    pop:  18896.48    lmtp:  22151.72
>>              87.8%              5.6%               6.6%
>>
>> --- total logins ---
>> imap: 28561295    pop: 7245908
>>            79.8%           20.2%
>>
>>
>>
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From markmont at umich.edu  Tue Mar 29 11:20:19 2011
From: markmont at umich.edu (Mark Montague)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:20:19 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
In-Reply-To: <AB4560BF101D416A81634AF5E8034BEE@Delta7>
References: <7413B03E276549C488AE7723CF960242@Delta7>
	<4D91EFCB.7000404@umich.edu>
	<5536C5A16F974D34B22D48AEB021FDE3@Delta7>
	<4D91F494.3000801@umich.edu>
	<AB4560BF101D416A81634AF5E8034BEE@Delta7>
Message-ID: <4D91F8B3.60604@umich.edu>

  On March 29, 2011 11:07 , "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com> 
wrote:
> Two of the users in question receive hundreds of megabytes of data and also
> forward to other users inhouse and out that are also into the hundreds of
> megabytes.
>
> This can quickly become an unmanageable situation.

What size limit are you imposing on individual messages?  UofM imposes a 
limit of 100 MB for a single SMTP mesage, which, taking MIME encoding 
losses into account means that users can generally send a message with 
at largest a single 67 MB attachment.

Do you have duplicate delivery suppression enabled on your IMAP server?  
If people are forwarding large emails to other users in-house, duplicate 
delivery suppression can potentially save a lot of storage space.

Have you educated users about other ways to transfer large amounts of 
data?  For example, dropbox-like services?  SFTP to personal home 
directory space?  There are a variety of cloud-based and in-house 
options.  When educating users, be sure to emphasize the benefits of 
non-email-based methods -- including faster speeds (potentially), much 
better security, and more features.

--
   Mark Montague
   mark at catseye.org



From radkins at impelind.com  Tue Mar 29 11:41:57 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:41:57 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
In-Reply-To: <4D91F8B3.60604@umich.edu>
References: <7413B03E276549C488AE7723CF960242@Delta7>
	<4D91EFCB.7000404@umich.edu>
	<5536C5A16F974D34B22D48AEB021FDE3@Delta7>
	<4D91F494.3000801@umich.edu>
	<AB4560BF101D416A81634AF5E8034BEE@Delta7>
	<4D91F8B3.60604@umich.edu>
Message-ID: <A2712FFDBF1F422F96E83611D2A75858@Delta7>

The majority of data transferred to us that totals into the hundreds of
megabytes each week, is sent in files less than a 2 to 3 megabytes with some
rare files approaching 10mb in size.

Larger files are transferred to us in different, more secure methods.

The volume of email received and sent is significant and we are a fairly
data driven business.

Individually, several of us receive an average between 50 and 100 emails
each day.

Thanks,
Rob
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Montague [mailto:markmont at umich.edu] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:20 AM
> To: Robert Adkins II
> Cc: mdlug at mdlug.org
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
> 
>   On March 29, 2011 11:07 , "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com>
> wrote:
> > Two of the users in question receive hundreds of megabytes 
> of data and 
> > also forward to other users inhouse and out that are also into the 
> > hundreds of megabytes.
> >
> > This can quickly become an unmanageable situation.
> 
> What size limit are you imposing on individual messages?  
> UofM imposes a limit of 100 MB for a single SMTP mesage, 
> which, taking MIME encoding losses into account means that 
> users can generally send a message with at largest a single 
> 67 MB attachment.
> 
> Do you have duplicate delivery suppression enabled on your 
> IMAP server?  
> If people are forwarding large emails to other users 
> in-house, duplicate delivery suppression can potentially save 
> a lot of storage space.
> 
> Have you educated users about other ways to transfer large 
> amounts of data?  For example, dropbox-like services?  SFTP 
> to personal home directory space?  There are a variety of 
> cloud-based and in-house options.  When educating users, be 
> sure to emphasize the benefits of non-email-based methods -- 
> including faster speeds (potentially), much better security, 
> and more features.
> 
> --
>    Mark Montague
>    mark at catseye.org
> 
> 



From awilliam at opengroupware.us  Tue Mar 29 11:42:10 2011
From: awilliam at opengroupware.us (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:42:10 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
In-Reply-To: <4D91EFCB.7000404@umich.edu>
References: <7413B03E276549C488AE7723CF960242@Delta7>
	<4D91EFCB.7000404@umich.edu>
Message-ID: <1301413330.3183.5.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 10:42 -0400, Mark Montague wrote:
> On March 29, 2011 10:16 , "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com> wrote:
> > I am seeking to force certain users into trimming back the size of their
> > email stored on the IMAP server. Much of the data itself doesn't need to be
> > stored in email long term, as it is replicated elsewhere on the network.
> > The problem is, if I just toss in a quota I am concerned that there will be
> > no warning, just suddenly they will be unable to send/receive email. Nothing
> > I am seeing the in the tools for enabling quotas suggests that the users
> > will receive any form of warning.
> > Is this true?
> Are you sure you want to impose quotas?  At the University of Michigan 
> (for example), adding another drive to an IMAP server's RAID array (or 
> upgrading the drives to higher capacity ones, if possible) is cheaper 
> than imposing and managing quotas, and then paying for the resulting end 
> user support.  Plenty of people have 5 GB, 10 GB, even 20 GB mailboxes, 
> and the very rare problem cases can usually be addressed by having a 
> chat with the offending user.  (If this sounds radical, keep in mind 
> that as of today, Google is providing 7.6 GB per user at no cost, with 
> extra space available very cheaply).

I think there is a real organizational value to making people delete
junk; but that is another argument entirely.

> - Use IMAP quotas rather than Unix filesystem quotas, if at all 
> possible.  This will give you much more "intelligence", nicer failure 
> modes, and hopefully better control.

Every client I've seen (Thunderbird, Evolution, Horde) reports IMAP
quota status.  Horde very prominantly, Evolution you have to check,
Thunderbird starts to whine at ~80%.

> - Configure your SMTP / LMTP server to hold messages for up to 7 days if 
> they cannot be delivered due to a mailbox being over quota.  

+1

> - Provide a web interface where people can check their current quota usage.

You might discover that whatever you currently use does that
automatically as soon as you turn IMAP quotas on.

> - Keep in mind that if the user uses a client that uses a Trash folder, 
> this can sometimes complicate things.  See the question "Why can't I 
> delete any messages from my over-quota mailbox?" at 
> http://www.cyrusimap.org/docs/cyrus-imapd/2.4.6/faq.php

Yes, Trash is an evil and stupid concept.  That is really the only one
that gives us grief.  But you can set Cyrus to auto-expire messages in a
folder, which works well [if you are using Cyrus].




From awilliam at opengroupware.us  Tue Mar 29 11:45:00 2011
From: awilliam at opengroupware.us (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:45:00 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
In-Reply-To: <4D91F8B3.60604@umich.edu>
References: <7413B03E276549C488AE7723CF960242@Delta7>
	<4D91EFCB.7000404@umich.edu> <5536C5A16F974D34B22D48AEB021FDE3@Delta7>
	<4D91F494.3000801@umich.edu> <AB4560BF101D416A81634AF5E8034BEE@Delta7>
	<4D91F8B3.60604@umich.edu>
Message-ID: <1301413500.3183.7.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 11:20 -0400, Mark Montague wrote:
> On March 29, 2011 11:07 , "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com> 
> wrote:
> > Two of the users in question receive hundreds of megabytes of data and also
> > forward to other users inhouse and out that are also into the hundreds of
> > megabytes.
> > This can quickly become an unmanageable situation.
> What size limit are you imposing on individual messages?  UofM imposes a 
> limit of 100 MB for a single SMTP mesage, which, taking MIME encoding 
> losses into account means that users can generally send a message with 
> at largest a single 67 MB attachment.
> Do you have duplicate delivery suppression enabled on your IMAP server?  

+1 This can be a huge win.

Another possible solution is to use [block-level] deduplicating storage.
A variety of SAN & NAS devices support deduplication these days.  The
reduction in storage requirements can be mind-blowing.    Or if you are
brave mount your mail store on a LessFS filesystem [which does block
level deduplication].



From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 14:15:28 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:15:28 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
In-Reply-To: <7413B03E276549C488AE7723CF960242@Delta7>
References: <7413B03E276549C488AE7723CF960242@Delta7>
Message-ID: <4D9221C0.9040504@gmail.com>

Robert Adkins II wrote:
> I am seeking to force certain users into trimming back the size of their
> email stored on the IMAP server. Much of the data itself doesn't need to be
> stored in email long term, as it is replicated elsewhere on the network.
>  
> The problem is, if I just toss in a quota I am concerned that there will be
> no warning, just suddenly they will be unable to send/receive email. Nothing
> I am seeing the in the tools for enabling quotas suggests that the users
> will receive any form of warning.
>  
> Is this true?


To answer your question, yes they do work.
When I was in college, we undergrads had a 500k soft limit,
and a 1M hard limit.  Whenever I would hit my hard limit,
then I started looking for stuff to get rid of (such as
duplicate files).  It also taught me to start using
symbolic links.

Business email system are rife with documents being sent
in e-mail from person to person, with each revision
showing up multiple times, because most users REFUSE
to just put the document in some shared-access directory,
and just mail a reference to it.

Most likely because in Windows, "shortcuts" are so
utterly screwed up and unsuitable for such purposes.
>  
> Thanks,
> Rob
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> mdlug at mdlug.org
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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 14:15:56 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:15:56 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
In-Reply-To: <7413B03E276549C488AE7723CF960242@Delta7>
References: <7413B03E276549C488AE7723CF960242@Delta7>
Message-ID: <4D9221DC.5060602@gmail.com>

Robert Adkins II wrote:
> I am seeking to force certain users into trimming back the size of their
> email stored on the IMAP server. Much of the data itself doesn't need to be
> stored in email long term, as it is replicated elsewhere on the network.
>  
> The problem is, if I just toss in a quota I am concerned that there will be
> no warning, just suddenly they will be unable to send/receive email. Nothing
> I am seeing the in the tools for enabling quotas suggests that the users
> will receive any form of warning.
>  
> Is this true?


To answer your question, they work well.

When I was in college, we undergrads had a 500k soft limit,
and a 1M hard limit.  Whenever I would hit my hard limit,
then I started looking for stuff to get rid of (such as
duplicate files).  It also taught me to start using
symbolic links.

Business email system are rife with documents being sent
in e-mail from person to person, with each revision
showing up multiple times, because most users REFUSE
to just put the document in some shared-access directory,
and just mail a reference to it.

Most likely because in Windows, "shortcuts" are so
utterly screwed up and unsuitable for such purposes.
>  
> Thanks,
> Rob
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From gib at juno.com  Thu Mar 31 21:38:57 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 01:38:57 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] CPL Hack Day 2: Electric Boogaloo
Message-ID: <20110331.213857.22409.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>



---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: Bradley Czerniak <czerniakb at cantonpl.org>
To: "'gib at juno.com'" <gib at juno.com>
Subject: CPL Hack Day 2: Electric Boogaloo
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:57:49 -0400


Gib,
 
It&rsquo;s me again. After all the fun we had at the first CPL Hack Day, our program coordinator here at the library thought it would great to have 2 hack days per year.
The next hack day will be Saturday, June 25, 2011, from 1:00-5:00PM. This is one week before Maker Faire: Detroit, which makes it a great time to rehearse and otherwise get prepared.
All event details are at http://www.cantonwiki.org/CPL_Hack_Day
 
This event will hopefully include a wide variety of hobbyists. Likewise, I&rsquo;d like to engage the three major hackerspaces in the Metro Detroit area. i3Detroit has already signed up for one table and a presentation, and I delivered an invite to OmniCorpDetroit as well.
 
I think Linux is a great fit for events like this, and your demo table and presentations from last time were well-received. If you&rsquo;re interested in coming back, we&rsquo;d be more than happy to have you.
 
Thank you for your time and consideration.
 
Sincerely,
 
Brad Czerniak
Digital Resources Developer
Canton Public Library
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From carl at carltm.com  Tue Mar  1 08:44:48 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 08:44:48 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Creating virtual machines
In-Reply-To: <4D6BED2B.90809@skyefire.org>
References: <4D6BED2B.90809@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <7ded9b87669db58a21d58639a535fc20.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

David McMillan wrote:
>      So, my thought is, I *ought* to be able to create a VM from the
> copy of the stolen laptop's WinXP partition.  But aside from a bit of
> messing about with VMWare, I haven't got any experience in this area.
> Ideally, I'd like to create a VM that can be stored in my multi-access
> partition, and run from inside either Win7, or from Linux, so I don't
> have to reboot to access the VM when I need it.  So a multi-platform VM
> hosting system is essential, and of course the more Open-Source the
> better.

Hi David,

You've probably already heard from others, so I'll just toss
in my 2 cents.  If I were doing this I would use VirtualBox.
It will run in Linux or Windows, and you can run the same
VM alternating the host OS.  It also has tools to let you
create a virtual hard drive from a real hard drive.  You
would use your dd image as a source as if it was a hard drive.
If you do a Google search you'll find instructions to set up
everything.

c




From carl at carltm.com  Tue Mar  1 08:52:20 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 08:52:20 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Script to delete old files?
In-Reply-To: <201102282031.39520.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
References: <201102282031.39520.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
Message-ID: <3b8f59ae7647b915798f3659ae8c1618.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Stan Green wrote:
> My thought is a script something like this (pseudo code):
> df > FreeSpace
> if FreeSpace is less then 25%
> if FreeSpace is less then 50% do
> 	delete the oldest file
> 	df > FreeSpace
> Loop until FreeSpace is greater then 50%

This would work, although if you have a lot of files it
might run for a long time.  A way to speed it up would
be to delete files older than X weeks/days/hours/minutes.
If this runs every week, you could have it count down
from 8 weeks to 1 week.  The find command could be used
to find and delete the files relatively quickly.

c




From carl at carltm.com  Tue Mar  1 08:58:54 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 08:58:54 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Creating virtual machines
In-Reply-To: <4D6C606C.3090303@doehler.us>
References: <4D6BED2B.90809@skyefire.org> <4D6C606C.3090303@doehler.us>
Message-ID: <68e6bc14f70de5458d502f3cee5a6121.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Joe Doehler wrote:
> In all cases, I used VMWare ("Workstation" for the Linux host, "Player"
> for the Win7 host). I tried VirtualBox in Win7, but it hung up during
> installation every time I tried while looking for a video card. I gave
> up on it. I think that the VMWare products are simply more mature; they
> have all been rock-stable for me.

Interesting, I've had just the opposite experience the last
couple of years with VMware and VirtualBox.  I've had several
issues with VWware-Server, versions 1 and 2, and wasn't able
to install ESXi on a Dell 2850 server.  Meanwhile I've had
very few problems that were easily fixed with VirtualBox.
Granted, I wasn't paying for VMware, but I have stopped using
the free versions of it.

c




From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  1 09:57:04 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 09:57:04 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Run scrip on file arrival
In-Reply-To: <201102282053.57328.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
References: <201102282053.57328.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
Message-ID: <4D6D0940.7080200@gmail.com>

Stan Green wrote:
> I have two Debian systems; one user system and one server. The first system is 
> used to create files. It includes a script that copies the video file to the 
> other system for processing and storage. The copy is done over NFS. The hard 
> part seems to be staring the processing on the file only after is is fully on 
> the other box. I would rather not do a time based process due to issues with 
> the file being still being copied. My thought was to create a small file and 
> send it after I send the main file. This way the script could run every 5min 
> and wait for the small file to arrive. It could then process all the video 
> files and delete the small file. I have seen this type of setup used before and 
> it seems to work. However is there a better way to accomplish this task?
> 

scp  file  remotehost:/some/path/to/file
ssh remotehost /some/script/to/run


From skyefire at skyefire.org  Tue Mar  1 11:34:01 2011
From: skyefire at skyefire.org (David McMillan)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 11:34:01 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Script to delete old files?
In-Reply-To: <3b8f59ae7647b915798f3659ae8c1618.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <201102282031.39520.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
	<3b8f59ae7647b915798f3659ae8c1618.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <4D6D1FF9.3060204@skyefire.org>

On 3/1/2011 8:52 AM, Carl T. Miller wrote:
> Stan Green wrote:
>> My thought is a script something like this (pseudo code):
>> df>  FreeSpace
>> if FreeSpace is less then 25%
>> if FreeSpace is less then 50% do
>> 	delete the oldest file
>> 	df>  FreeSpace
>> Loop until FreeSpace is greater then 50%
> This would work, although if you have a lot of files it
> might run for a long time.  A way to speed it up would
> be to delete files older than X weeks/days/hours/minutes.
> If this runs every week, you could have it count down
> from 8 weeks to 1 week.  The find command could be used
> to find and delete the files relatively quickly.
     Or... since the files he wants to delete are already copied to a 
remote machine, would it be practical to generate a list of files 
duplicated in both locations using rsync or fslint, and delete the local 
copies?


From Stan at mcomputersolutions.com  Tue Mar  1 12:24:07 2011
From: Stan at mcomputersolutions.com (Stan Green)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:24:07 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Script to delete old files?
In-Reply-To: <4D6D1FF9.3060204@skyefire.org>
References: <201102282031.39520.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
	<3b8f59ae7647b915798f3659ae8c1618.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<4D6D1FF9.3060204@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <201103011224.07587.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>

On Tuesday 01 March 2011 11:34:01 am David McMillan wrote:
> On 3/1/2011 8:52 AM, Carl T. Miller wrote:
> > Stan Green wrote:
> >> My thought is a script something like this (pseudo code):
> >> df>  FreeSpace
> >> if FreeSpace is less then 25%
> >> if FreeSpace is less then 50% do
> >> 	delete the oldest file
> >> 	df>  FreeSpace
> >> Loop until FreeSpace is greater then 50%
> >
> > This would work, although if you have a lot of files it
> > might run for a long time.  A way to speed it up would
> > be to delete files older than X weeks/days/hours/minutes.
> > If this runs every week, you could have it count down
> > from 8 weeks to 1 week.  The find command could be used
> > to find and delete the files relatively quickly.
>
>      Or... since the files he wants to delete are already copied to a
> remote machine, would it be practical to generate a list of files
> duplicated in both locations using rsync or fslint, and delete the local
> copies?
Yes, this would keep me form finding the oldest.

Would this not just change line: 
delete the oldest file
to:
delete the first file in the list (First In First Out)

Or is there more to this?

Thanks,
Stan


From skyefire at skyefire.org  Tue Mar  1 12:51:05 2011
From: skyefire at skyefire.org (David McMillan)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 12:51:05 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
Message-ID: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org>


     Probably rather off-topic for this list, but I'm hoping somebody 
might know somebody....

     Here's my situation:  For a lot of R&D labwork I'm currently doing, 
one of my sensor systems is capable of streaming selected realtime data 
across a TCP connection to a remote piece of logging software.  But *of 
course,* the logging software only works under Windows.  Which I could 
probably deal with, except that the logging software is also pretty 
primitive -- saving a logfile down to a tab-separated text file so that 
my own postprocessing scripts can <ahem> Do Science To It requires a 
series of manual operations.  There's no way to automate it.  I've 
actually managed to semi-automate the process using WinXP scripting, but 
there's a rub: I have yet to find a way to get the script to trigger 
automatically[1].

     So, naturally, I decided this was a Behold The True Power of Linux! 
situation, and decided it was time to learn how to write my own 
replacement for this proprietary logging software.  So I did a test run, 
logging the raw port data with WireShark and saving the output of the 
saved file... and hit a wall.
     I'm *pretty* certain that this data isn't enciphered to prevent 
third-party access, but it's not plaintext being pushed through a 
Telnet-esque connection either.  So I'm a bit stuck.

[1] boring details:  the logging software acts as a "server," listening 
on a particular port.  It starts logging as soon as the port opens.  The 
tricky bit is that all the logged data *gets erased* without being saved 
if/when the port is closed, and the port gets closed from the "client" 
end (the test rig) as soon as I hit Reset to begin another measurement.  
Getting around this requires me to keep running back and forth between 
machines, which gets awfully tedious when I'm sometimes doing dozens of 
test runs per hour.  So the key event to detecting when to save the 
logged data is to detect first the port opening, followed by a halt to 
port activity.  Which I haven't been able to figure out a way to do 
under WinXP.


From gib at juno.com  Tue Mar  1 13:22:28 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 18:22:28 GMT
Subject: [mdlug]  Reverse-engineering data protocols
Message-ID: <20110301.132228.3855.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>

I think this is a good question for the group.  I don't know if anyone will  have an answer.  I suspect you may get many ideas. We'd really like to push you to replace the Window software with something on Linux.  

---------- Original Message ----------
From: David McMillan <skyefire at skyefire.org>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 12:51:05 -0500



    Probably rather off-topic for this list, but I'm hoping somebody 
might know somebody....

    Here's my situation:  For a lot of R&D labwork I'm currently doing, 
one of my sensor systems is capable of streaming selected realtime data 
across a TCP connection to a remote piece of logging software.  But *of 
course,* the logging software only works under Windows.  Which I could 
probably deal with, except that the logging software is also pretty 
primitive -- saving a logfile down to a tab-separated text file so that 
my own postprocessing scripts can <ahem> Do Science To It requires a 
series of manual operations.  There's no way to automate it.  I've 
actually managed to semi-automate the process using WinXP scripting, but 
there's a rub: I have yet to find a way to get the script to trigger 
automatically[1].

    So, naturally, I decided this was a Behold The True Power of Linux! 
situation, and decided it was time to learn how to write my own 
replacement for this proprietary logging software.  So I did a test run, 
logging the raw port data with WireShark and saving the output of the 
saved file... and hit a wall.
    I'm *pretty* certain that this data isn't enciphered to prevent 
third-party access, but it's not plaintext being pushed through a 
Telnet-esque connection either.  So I'm a bit stuck.

[1] boring details:  the logging software acts as a "server," listening 
on a particular port.  It starts logging as soon as the port opens.  The 
tricky bit is that all the logged data *gets erased* without being saved 
if/when the port is closed, and the port gets closed from the "client" 
end (the test rig) as soon as I hit Reset to begin another measurement.  
Getting around this requires me to keep running back and forth between 
machines, which gets awfully tedious when I'm sometimes doing dozens of 
test runs per hour.  So the key event to detecting when to save the 
logged data is to detect first the port opening, followed by a halt to 
port activity.  Which I haven't been able to figure out a way to do 
under WinXP.
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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Tue Mar  1 13:29:58 2011
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 13:29:58 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E691B@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: David McMillan

>      I'm *pretty* certain that this data isn't enciphered to prevent
> third-party access, but it's not plaintext being pushed through a
> Telnet-esque connection either.  So I'm a bit stuck.

I see two approaches, one short-term, one long-term.

 1) Short term - see if you can 'record' the data coming into Linux
(WireShark, netcat, whatever) and then 'play it back' later to the
Windows logger. This would allow you to do a bunch of tests, saving to
different files, and then 'batch log' them to Windows later for
processing.

 2) Long term - figure out the structure of the file. Is the data
basically numbers? Then do a little work, taking chunks of the file and
interpreting them as numbers. I'd guess they were either integers, or
IEEE floating-point numbers. Are you familiar with the concept of
'endianness'? You may have to take that into account. But given the
input and the plaintext file, it should be possible to figure out the
protocol.

 Sincerely,

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From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Tue Mar  1 13:07:42 2011
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 13:07:42 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi==kKFqBpq+ENA=0L_zgkx66urTUsSBLOE_TC_G@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 12:51 PM, David McMillan <skyefire at skyefire.org> wrote:
>
> ? ? Probably rather off-topic for this list, but I'm hoping somebody
> might know somebody....
>
> ? ? Here's my situation: ?For a lot of R&D labwork I'm currently doing,
> one of my sensor systems is capable of streaming selected realtime data
> across a TCP connection to a remote piece of logging software. ?But *of
> course,* the logging software only works under Windows. ?Which I could
> probably deal with, except that the logging software is also pretty
> primitive -- saving a logfile down to a tab-separated text file so that
> my own postprocessing scripts can <ahem> Do Science To It requires a
> series of manual operations. ?There's no way to automate it. ?I've
> actually managed to semi-automate the process using WinXP scripting, but
> there's a rub: I have yet to find a way to get the script to trigger
> automatically[1].
>

What is the part number of the sensor and who made it?  Is it some
custom design for your company?

> ? ? So, naturally, I decided this was a Behold The True Power of Linux!
> situation, and decided it was time to learn how to write my own
> replacement for this proprietary logging software. ?So I did a test run,
> logging the raw port data with WireShark and saving the output of the
> saved file... and hit a wall.
> ? ? I'm *pretty* certain that this data isn't enciphered to prevent
> third-party access, but it's not plaintext being pushed through a
> Telnet-esque connection either. ?So I'm a bit stuck.
>

It could be compressed, raw data, multiplexed from multiple sensors,
or a serial or time stamped stream.

> [1] boring details: ?the logging software acts as a "server," listening
> on a particular port. ?It starts logging as soon as the port opens. ?The
> tricky bit is that all the logged data *gets erased* without being saved
> if/when the port is closed, and the port gets closed from the "client"
> end (the test rig) as soon as I hit Reset to begin another measurement.
> Getting around this requires me to keep running back and forth between
> machines, which gets awfully tedious when I'm sometimes doing dozens of
> test runs per hour. ?So the key event to detecting when to save the
> logged data is to detect first the port opening, followed by a halt to
> port activity. ?Which I haven't been able to figure out a way to do
> under WinXP.
>

You can poll with netstat but that may have too much latency to
activate a script on time.

I'm not a software engineer but I do work on automotive-related test systems.


From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  1 13:55:51 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 13:55:51 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Run scrip on file arrival
In-Reply-To: <201103011010.36771.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
References: <201102282053.57328.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
	<4D6D0940.7080200@gmail.com>
	<201103011010.36771.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
Message-ID: <4D6D4137.40603@gmail.com>

Stan Green wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 March 2011 09:57:04 am you wrote:
>> Stan Green wrote:
>>> I have two Debian systems; one user system and one server. The first
>>> system is used to create files. It includes a script that copies the
>>> video file to the other system for processing and storage. The copy is
>>> done over NFS. The hard part seems to be staring the processing on the
>>> file only after is is fully on the other box. I would rather not do a
>>> time based process due to issues with the file being still being copied.
>>> My thought was to create a small file and send it after I send the main
>>> file. This way the script could run every 5min and wait for the small
>>> file to arrive. It could then process all the video files and delete the
>>> small file. I have seen this type of setup used before and it seems to
>>> work. However is there a better way to accomplish this task?
>> scp  file  remotehost:/some/path/to/file
>> ssh remotehost /some/script/to/run
> 
> OK, so this is a side topic.
> 
> I would not what the user to have to interact with the script. They have a hard 
> enough time with the concept of logging off! (They are always trying to 
> shutdown!)


You might want to write a wrapper program in C which does
sudo to the desired username and runs the desired shellscript.
[This, of course, would be installed on the remote system,
not on the user's computer, and also edit /etc/sudoers on
the remote computer appropriately.]


Q:  Why is the user in question misbehaving by trying to shut down?
What's going on with management/supervision that they are not
taking any corrective action?

> With ssh, to keep the user from interacting with the script,  wouldn't I need to 
> put the user's password in the script?

No.  Big security hole. 

> I've seen many different ways to handle 
> this, but I have never been 100% happy with any of them. Is there a "best 
> practice" for putting passwords in scripts.

Either use sudo, or the user will have to BEHAVE LIKE 
A RESPONSIBLE ADULT WHO EARNS THEIR PAY, and type in
their own password.

If they can't handle this, then seriously, what other
basic work tasks are they also screwing up?


From awilliam at opengroupware.us  Tue Mar  1 14:02:20 2011
From: awilliam at opengroupware.us (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 14:02:20 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E691B@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org>
	<50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E691B@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <1299006142.3837.16.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Tue, 2011-03-01 at 13:29 -0500, Ingles, Raymond wrote: 
> > From: David McMillan
> >      I'm *pretty* certain that this data isn't enciphered to prevent
> > third-party access, but it's not plaintext being pushed through a
> > Telnet-esque connection either.  So I'm a bit stuck.

It is almost certainly encoded or packed in some manner;  there are many
ways do to that:  Base64, MARC/Z39, XDR, LEB128, DCE, and various
combinations of the previous with differing signing, code page
encodings, and endian-ness.

The best thing you can do is grab a stream where you know what the
result is and noodle around in the data with a hex editor (like ghex2)
until you can find at least some primer (this results in that) and work
from there.  This gets easier with experience; after while you'll look
at some stream of gook and say... man, that looks like...
-- 
Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam at whitemice.org> LPIC-1, Novell CLA
<http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com>
OpenGroupware, Cyrus IMAPd, Postfix, OpenLDAP, Samba



From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  1 14:44:20 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 14:44:20 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <4D6D4C94.9000905@gmail.com>

David McMillan wrote:
>      Probably rather off-topic for this list, but I'm hoping somebody 
> might know somebody....
> 
>      Here's my situation:  For a lot of R&D labwork I'm currently doing, 
> one of my sensor systems is capable of streaming selected realtime data 
> across a TCP connection to a remote piece of logging software.  But *of 
> course,* the logging software only works under Windows.  Which I could 
> probably deal with, except that the logging software is also pretty 
> primitive -- saving a logfile down to a tab-separated text file so that 
> my own postprocessing scripts can <ahem> Do Science To It requires a 
> series of manual operations.  There's no way to automate it.  I've 
> actually managed to semi-automate the process using WinXP scripting, but 
> there's a rub: I have yet to find a way to get the script to trigger 
> automatically[1].
> 
>      So, naturally, I decided this was a Behold The True Power of Linux! 
> situation, and decided it was time to learn how to write my own 
> replacement for this proprietary logging software.  So I did a test run, 
> logging the raw port data with WireShark and saving the output of the 
> saved file... and hit a wall.
>      I'm *pretty* certain that this data isn't enciphered to prevent 
> third-party access, but it's not plaintext being pushed through a 
> Telnet-esque connection either.  So I'm a bit stuck.
> 
> [1] boring details:  the logging software acts as a "server," listening 
> on a particular port.  It starts logging as soon as the port opens.  The 
> tricky bit is that all the logged data *gets erased* without being saved 
> if/when the port is closed, and the port gets closed from the "client" 
> end (the test rig) as soon as I hit Reset to begin another measurement.  
> Getting around this requires me to keep running back and forth between 
> machines, which gets awfully tedious when I'm sometimes doing dozens of 
> test runs per hour.  So the key event to detecting when to save the 
> logged data is to detect first the port opening, followed by a halt to 
> port activity.  Which I haven't been able to figure out a way to do 
> under WinXP.


Have you contacted the manufacturer?

It would probably be simpler for them to just write a small
bit of code to close the logging file, and start a new one
(with a different name), and send you a new file.

And no, I don't like Windows at all -- but without feedback
from users, they'll never know that their logging software
is the pits.


From Stan at mcomputersolutions.com  Tue Mar  1 17:13:30 2011
From: Stan at mcomputersolutions.com (Stan Green)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 17:13:30 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] OT: KISS!  Was:  Run script on file arrival
In-Reply-To: <4D6D4137.40603@gmail.com>
References: <201102282053.57328.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
	<201103011010.36771.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
	<4D6D4137.40603@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201103011713.30456.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>

On Tuesday 01 March 2011 01:55:51 pm Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> > OK, so this is a side topic.
> >
> > I would not what the user to have to interact with the script. They have
> > a hard enough time with the concept of logging off! (They are always
> > trying to shutdown!)
>
> You might want to write a wrapper program in C which does
> sudo to the desired username and runs the desired shellscript.
> [This, of course, would be installed on the remote system,
> not on the user's computer, and also edit /etc/sudoers on
> the remote computer appropriately.]
This is not a bad idea. I've never done so, but it might be worth looking into. 
The one down side is the concept of isolation. I'm not sure I what the client 
to have to know what script to run on the server. This make it harder to 
maintain the client if I what to run a different script someday. 
>
>
> Q:  Why is the user in question misbehaving by trying to shut down?
> What's going on with management/supervision that they are not
> taking any corrective action?
>
I am the team lead! They are only confused as they are used to shutting down 
Windows when they are done. I have it set up so the system shutdown when the 
background task are done. It is just a leaning curve and I try to keep it as 
flat as I can. 
> > With ssh, to keep the user from interacting with the script,  wouldn't I
> > need to put the user's password in the script?
>
> No.  Big security hole.
>
> > I've seen many different ways to handle
> > this, but I have never been 100% happy with any of them. Is there a "best
> > practice" for putting passwords in scripts.
>
> Either use sudo, or the user will have to BEHAVE LIKE
> A RESPONSIBLE ADULT WHO EARNS THEIR PAY, and type in
> their own password.
You assume my team is paid, which is an invalid assumption. They are 100% 
volunteers.  I simply don't want them to interact with scripts. They enter 
their password when they login to the system. They have a job to do and they do 
it well.  I do my best to not complicate it. I have made it 50% simpler by 
going to Linux, because we have the power of scripts. I'm not gong back to a 
complicated process. Then I might as well go back to Windows.
>
> If they can't handle this, then seriously, what other
> basic work tasks are they also screwing up?
None. They are all talented people who do a wonderful job. They are just not 
deep technical people. Which is 100% fine with me as I want people do focus on 
what they are good at and not what they are not good at. This is why I do 90% 
of the deep technical stuff for the team.




From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  1 22:48:07 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 22:48:07 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] OT: KISS!  Was:  Run script on file arrival
In-Reply-To: <201103011713.30456.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
References: <201102282053.57328.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>	<201103011010.36771.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>	<4D6D4137.40603@gmail.com>
	<201103011713.30456.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
Message-ID: <4D6DBDF7.20407@gmail.com>

Stan Green wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 March 2011 01:55:51 pm Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>>> OK, so this is a side topic.
>>>
>>> I would not what the user to have to interact with the script. They have
>>> a hard enough time with the concept of logging off! (They are always
>>> trying to shutdown!)
>> You might want to write a wrapper program in C which does
>> sudo to the desired username and runs the desired shellscript.
>> [This, of course, would be installed on the remote system,
>> not on the user's computer, and also edit /etc/sudoers on
>> the remote computer appropriately.]
> This is not a bad idea. I've never done so, but it might be worth looking into. 
> The one down side is the concept of isolation. I'm not sure I what the client 
> to have to know what script to run on the server. This make it harder to 
> maintain the client if I what to run a different script someday. 
>>
>> Q:  Why is the user in question misbehaving by trying to shut down?
>> What's going on with management/supervision that they are not
>> taking any corrective action?
>>
> I am the team lead! They are only confused as they are used to shutting down 
> Windows when they are done. I have it set up so the system shutdown when the 
> background task are done. It is just a leaning curve and I try to keep it as 
> flat as I can. 
>>> With ssh, to keep the user from interacting with the script,  wouldn't I
>>> need to put the user's password in the script?
>> No.  Big security hole.
>>
>>> I've seen many different ways to handle
>>> this, but I have never been 100% happy with any of them. Is there a "best
>>> practice" for putting passwords in scripts.
>> Either use sudo, or the user will have to BEHAVE LIKE
>> A RESPONSIBLE ADULT WHO EARNS THEIR PAY, and type in
>> their own password.
> You assume my team is paid, which is an invalid assumption. They are 100% 
> volunteers.  I simply don't want them to interact with scripts. They enter 
> their password when they login to the system. They have a job to do and they do 
> it well.  I do my best to not complicate it. I have made it 50% simpler by 
> going to Linux, because we have the power of scripts. I'm not gong back to a 
> complicated process. Then I might as well go back to Windows.
>> If they can't handle this, then seriously, what other
>> basic work tasks are they also screwing up?
> None. They are all talented people who do a wonderful job. They are just not 
> deep technical people. Which is 100% fine with me as I want people do focus on 
> what they are good at and not what they are not good at. This is why I do 90% 
> of the deep technical stuff for the team.


No problem
On the remote side, you make a wrapper script that is THIS:


#!/bin/bash
shift		# shift elements of $* 1 place to the left
$*		# execute the redirected script

Suppose we save this script as /local/bin/executor

$ ssh remotehosts /local/bin/executor somescript arg1 arg2 arg3 arg4

argument assignments at the beginning of execution:
$0 = executor	# This is how a program with multiple hard links
	# or symbolic links to it can change behavior
	# depending upon what name it is called by,
	# ... they examine the "0th" element of the argument
	# vector, decide how to proceed accordingly]
	# (for example, ex, vi (or vim), and view are the
	# same program. try  ls -al /usr/bin/{ex,vi,vim,view}
	#
$1 = somescript
$2 = arg1
$3 = arg2
$4 = arg3
$5 = arg4

so:

executor somescript arg1 arg2 arg3 arg4
    $0       $1      $2   $3   $4   $5
After executing the shift instruction, $0 is dropped, producing

somescript arg1 arg2 arg3 arg4
   $0       $1   $2   $3   $4

the $* stands for all arguments, so it is basically executes
the first argument (as submitted to the script) with all of the
remaining arguments tacked on as arguments.


From skyefire at skyefire.org  Wed Mar  2 07:13:54 2011
From: skyefire at skyefire.org (David McMillan)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 07:13:54 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi==kKFqBpq+ENA=0L_zgkx66urTUsSBLOE_TC_G@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org>
	<AANLkTi==kKFqBpq+ENA=0L_zgkx66urTUsSBLOE_TC_G@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D6E3482.7000707@skyefire.org>

On 3/1/2011 1:07 PM, Jeff Hanson wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 12:51 PM, David McMillan<skyefire at skyefire.org>  wrote:
> What is the part number of the sensor and who made it?  Is it some
> custom design for your company?
     It's essentially custom.  It's actually a firmware-based system 
running on an industrial robot (running a version of VxWorks, in fact), 
but that end of the chain is inaccessible.  It's a giant black box, for 
one thing, and a collection of human safety-critical systems to boot, so 
hacking away at it is a no-go under the circumstances.
>     I'm *pretty* certain that this data isn't enciphered to prevent
>> third-party access, but it's not plaintext being pushed through a
>> Telnet-esque connection either.  So I'm a bit stuck.
>>
> It could be compressed, raw data, multiplexed from multiple sensors,
> or a serial or time stamped stream.
     Time stamped, definitely.  Just what data is sent is actually 
configurable from the source "client".  When I tell the "server" 
software to export-to-textfile, what I get is a tab-separated set of 
columns.  Every other column, starting with the first, is a timestamp in 
milliseconds, serving as a time index for the data in the same row in 
the next column to the right.  One of the things I don't know is whether 
all these time-stamp columns are sent from the source, or if only one 
timestamp is sent (all the data is 100% synchronous) and the server 
software's Export function generates the multiple timestamp columns.
>> logged data is to detect first the port opening, followed by a halt to
>> port activity.  Which I haven't been able to figure out a way to do
>> under WinXP.
>>
> You can poll with netstat but that may have too much latency to
> activate a script on time.
>
> I'm not a software engineer but I do work on automotive-related test systems.
     That was actually one of the first things I tried, but I didn't get 
anywhere.  I could detect the port's Open/Closed/Listening status using 
netstat, but a few weeks of googling and poking about in my spare time 
hasn't turned up a way to use netstat to detect the "busyness" of the port.
     Going by my wireshark captures, all activity on the port stops as 
soon as the "client" stops sending data, but the port remains open 
indefinitely.  The act of closing the port causes the server to clear 
its buffers.  That, and what looks like an initial startup handshake, is 
all the communication there is between the client and server, AFAICT -- 
it's very bare-bones.  This software was really intended as a 
troubleshooting and setup tool, not for R&D work with flots and flots of 
repetitive testing.



From skyefire at skyefire.org  Wed Mar  2 07:24:12 2011
From: skyefire at skyefire.org (David McMillan)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 07:24:12 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E691B@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org>
	<50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E691B@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <4D6E36EC.3050009@skyefire.org>

On 3/1/2011 1:29 PM, Ingles, Raymond wrote:
>> From: David McMillan
>>       I'm *pretty* certain that this data isn't enciphered to prevent
>> third-party access, but it's not plaintext being pushed through a
>> Telnet-esque connection either.  So I'm a bit stuck.
> I see two approaches, one short-term, one long-term.
>
>   1) Short term - see if you can 'record' the data coming into Linux
> (WireShark, netcat, whatever) and then 'play it back' later to the
> Windows logger. This would allow you to do a bunch of tests, saving to
> different files, and then 'batch log' them to Windows later for
> processing.
     Unfortunately, so far I can't get the client to stream data to 
anything except the proprietary server.  There's some sort of initial 
handshake between the two that so far is beyond my (nearly-nonexistant) 
TCP/IP skills to figure out, much less duplicate.  I have determined to 
my satisfaction that just opening the correct port and listening on it 
isn't enough.
>   2) Long term - figure out the structure of the file. Is the data
> basically numbers? Then do a little work, taking chunks of the file and
> interpreting them as numbers. I'd guess they were either integers, or
> IEEE floating-point numbers. Are you familiar with the concept of
> 'endianness'? You may have to take that into account. But given the
> input and the plaintext file, it should be possible to figure out the
> protocol.
     Endian-ness, as in Motorola vs Intel?  Yeah, I'm familiar with that 
-- I have to juggle it on mismatched industrial systems often enough.
     The data is definitely floating-point.  I'm pretty certain its 
32bit (the source system is 32bit natively), and IEEE encoding seems a 
reasonable assumption.
     Yeah, I thought that, given the two files, it should be doable.  
The problem is, I put the two side-by-side and there's nothing visible 
that relates the two, no loose ends to grab onto.  I might as well be 
looking at two files in English and Japanese for all the connections I 
can draw between them.  The primary reason I approached the list was in 
the hopes that there might be some key insight to serve as a starting 
point.  Someone with more experienced eyes might look at this and see a 
pattern where all I see is white noise.


From skyefire at skyefire.org  Wed Mar  2 07:41:26 2011
From: skyefire at skyefire.org (David McMillan)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 07:41:26 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <4D6D4C94.9000905@gmail.com>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org> <4D6D4C94.9000905@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D6E3AF6.5080504@skyefire.org>

On 3/1/2011 2:44 PM, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> Have you contacted the manufacturer?
     Oh, yes.  First thing I did.  And I'm still working my contacts on 
that end, but sometimes it seems like this manufacturer rolls 10D100 
magic 8-balls in order to decide what data to share and what not to.  I 
suspect a large number of departments with little or no unified policy 
on proprietary-vs-open information.
> It would probably be simpler for them to just write a small
> bit of code to close the logging file, and start a new one
> (with a different name), and send you a new file.
     That I suspect won't happen, based on previous experience.  I'll 
spare you the sordid details, but this particular supplier writes their 
software the way *they* think it should be, customer feedback be hanged, 
regardless of how big the customer is.  They keep getting business 
because their stuff is *good,* no question -- I keep using it because 
it's simply the best there is for what I'm doing -- but they seem to be 
firmly convinced that they know better than the customer.  Although, 
given my own experience with their largest customers, I can't entirely 
blame them for that attitude...
     I did in fact run the logging software through a reverse compiler 
(the last few years, this vendor has been moving towards writing most of 
their Windows-side applications in un-obfuscated .NET), but it didn't go 
anywhere.  This particular app was probably written by a dept that is 
still sticking to VB6.
> And no, I don't like Windows at all -- but without feedback
> from users, they'll never know that their logging software
> is the pits.
     To be fair, I really am using this piece of software in ways it 
wasn't intended -- it wasn't intended as a tool that would see lots of 
heavy constant use.



From devanhoe at gmail.com  Thu Mar  3 09:42:52 2011
From: devanhoe at gmail.com (Dennis VanHoey)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:42:52 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] FYI: [Discuss] Lamp Developer needed in MI
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=+=rRT8ZT9FEym8RNZhFwEFpKfPwMDy9VaWidF@mail.gmail.com>

The large automotive OEM that I work at is looking for
a solid LAMP developer with PHP 5, MySQL, javascript+Ajax.
Full time, will help develop and maintain a new internal web
application.

Please send resumes to devanhoe at gmail dot com.

This request is being sent out before the official posting (to get
notice out ahead of the week long paperwork).

Position is expected to start approximately between last week of
March and April 1st.


From gib at juno.com  Thu Mar  3 10:38:03 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 15:38:03 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Fw: RE: Question about posting  jobs on MDLUG
Message-ID: <20110303.103803.21367.1@webmail20.vgs.untd.com>

FYI

---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: Karen Porat <kporat at visionit.com>
To: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
Subject: RE: Question about posting  jobs on MDLUG
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:10:44 -0500


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From: gib at juno.com [mailto:gib at juno.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:26 PM
To: Karen Porat
Subject: Question about posting jobs on MDLUG
 
As is typical of the group one person replied.  The comment was we would have to open this up to other recruiters.  I don't know if we are going get a verdict anytime soon.   

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Karen Porat <kporat at visionit.com>
To: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
Subject: RE: Question about posting  jobs on MDLUG
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 16:09:41 -0500
Just checking  back with you to get the verdict. J
 
Karen Porat  
Recruiting Consultant
VisionIT
kporat at visionit.com | www.visionit.com
Direct 404-416-9569 | Fax 404.816.9190
 
From: gib at juno.com [mailto:gib at juno.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 1:24 PM
To: Karen Porat
Subject: Re: Question about posting jobs on MDLUG
 
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Please note: message attached

From: Karen Porat <kporat at visionit.com>
To: "president at mdlug.org" <president at mdlug.org>
Subject: Question about posting  jobs on MDLUG
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 11:25:55 -0500


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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Thu Mar  3 14:22:40 2011
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 14:22:40 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <4D6E36EC.3050009@skyefire.org>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org><50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E691B@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<4D6E36EC.3050009@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E6B2E@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: David McMillan

>      Unfortunately, so far I can't get the client to stream data to
> anything except the proprietary server.  There's some sort of initial
> handshake between the two that so far is beyond my
(nearly-nonexistant)
> TCP/IP skills to figure out, much less duplicate.  I have determined
to
> my satisfaction that just opening the correct port and listening on it
> isn't enough.

Well, there's one other option if you can't reverse-engineer the
handshake. Set up a virtual machine on Linux, running Windows. Run the
logging software in there. Export the drive so that the Linux host can
read it. Have the Linux host watch for data files and copy them off
somewhere safe.


>      Yeah, I thought that, given the two files, it should be doable.
> The problem is, I put the two side-by-side and there's nothing visible
> that relates the two, no loose ends to grab onto.  I might as well be
> looking at two files in English and Japanese for all the connections I
> can draw between them.  The primary reason I approached the list was
in
> the hopes that there might be some key insight to serve as a starting
> point.  Someone with more experienced eyes might look at this and see
a
> pattern where all I see is white noise.

 Well, if the raw file is just binary floats (with possibly integer
timestamps) then you'll have some work to do. Write a simple program
that'll take different 4-byte chunks, interpret them as a float, and
print them out (possibly with the endianness flipped). Compare the
values with the numbers in the text file, and see if they match up. If
so, look at the bytes immediately around the bytes you've identified,
and see if they can be interpreted as a timestamp. (They should
increment...)

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                   (313) 227-2317

   Microsoft Windows - Putting new limits on productivity.


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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  3 14:36:03 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 14:36:03 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <4D6E3AF6.5080504@skyefire.org>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org> <4D6D4C94.9000905@gmail.com>
	<4D6E3AF6.5080504@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <4D6FEDA3.7080100@gmail.com>

David McMillan wrote:
> On 3/1/2011 2:44 PM, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>> Have you contacted the manufacturer?
>      Oh, yes.  First thing I did.  And I'm still working my contacts on 
> that end, but sometimes it seems like this manufacturer rolls 10D100 
> magic 8-balls in order to decide what data to share and what not to.  I 
> suspect a large number of departments with little or no unified policy 
> on proprietary-vs-open information.
>> It would probably be simpler for them to just write a small
>> bit of code to close the logging file, and start a new one
>> (with a different name), and send you a new file.
>      That I suspect won't happen, based on previous experience.  I'll 
> spare you the sordid details, but this particular supplier writes their 
> software the way *they* think it should be, customer feedback be hanged, 
> regardless of how big the customer is.  They keep getting business 
> because their stuff is *good,* no question -- I keep using it because 
> it's simply the best there is for what I'm doing -- but they seem to be 
> firmly convinced that they know better than the customer.  Although, 
> given my own experience with their largest customers, I can't entirely 
> blame them for that attitude...
>      I did in fact run the logging software through a reverse compiler 
> (the last few years, this vendor has been moving towards writing most of 
> their Windows-side applications in un-obfuscated .NET), but it didn't go 
> anywhere.  This particular app was probably written by a dept that is 
> still sticking to VB6.
>> And no, I don't like Windows at all -- but without feedback
>> from users, they'll never know that their logging software
>> is the pits.
>      To be fair, I really am using this piece of software in ways it 
> wasn't intended -- it wasn't intended as a tool that would see lots of 
> heavy constant use.

Sounds like this company is creating an IMMENSE
business opportunity for anyone who can create
decent test equipment AND

a) be responsive to customer requests
	OR
b) open-source the software
[After all, you're making money on the test
equipment, not the hardware drivers -- something
which massive numbers of hardware manufacturers
utterly fail to comprehend.]


From skyefire at skyefire.org  Thu Mar  3 15:08:17 2011
From: skyefire at skyefire.org (David McMillan)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 15:08:17 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E6B2E@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org><50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E691B@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>	<4D6E36EC.3050009@skyefire.org>
	<50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E6B2E@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <4D6FF531.6010608@skyefire.org>

On 3/3/2011 2:22 PM, Ingles, Raymond wrote:
>
> Well, there's one other option if you can't reverse-engineer the
> handshake. Set up a virtual machine on Linux, running Windows. Run the
> logging software in there. Export the drive so that the Linux host can
> read it. Have the Linux host watch for data files and copy them off
> somewhere safe.
     No good, I'm afraid.  Without a manual intervention pushing 
keys/clicking mouse, the server software produces no files at all -- 
it's all buffered in RAM until the user manually directs the software to 
export a log file.  One side-effect of this is that on occasions where 
I've left the data stream running for too long (as in, tens of minutes), 
my pagefile usage soars until the entire computer chokes.
>
>   Well, if the raw file is just binary floats (with possibly integer
> timestamps) then you'll have some work to do. Write a simple program
> that'll take different 4-byte chunks, interpret them as a float, and
> print them out (possibly with the endianness flipped). Compare the
> values with the numbers in the text file, and see if they match up. If
> so, look at the bytes immediately around the bytes you've identified,
> and see if they can be interpreted as a timestamp. (They should
> increment...)
     Ahhh, yes, I think I see what you're getting at.  Okay, yeah, 
that's the kind of starting point I was looking for.  Thanks!



From skyefire at skyefire.org  Thu Mar  3 15:19:58 2011
From: skyefire at skyefire.org (David McMillan)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 15:19:58 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <4D6FEDA3.7080100@gmail.com>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org>
	<4D6D4C94.9000905@gmail.com>	<4D6E3AF6.5080504@skyefire.org>
	<4D6FEDA3.7080100@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D6FF7EE.2080700@skyefire.org>

On 3/3/2011 2:36 PM, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> Sounds like this company is creating an IMMENSE
> business opportunity for anyone who can create
> decent test equipment AND
>
> a) be responsive to customer requests
> 	OR
> b) open-source the software
> [After all, you're making money on the test
> equipment, not the hardware drivers -- something
> which massive numbers of hardware manufacturers
> utterly fail to comprehend.]
     Yes, it would see fairly intuitive that expanding the flexibility 
of the equipment for end users would almost inevitably increase sales.

     The pushback I see from vendors on this subject generally runs 
along these lines:
1. opening up that level of access and/or releasing that level of 
details makes them vulnerable to reverse-engineering by competitors who 
then can sell a matching product at a lower price point without having 
to recoup the sunk R&D debts of the original developer
2. Doing this generates pressure to divert more of their experienced, 
skilled personnel into tech support roles for weirder and weirder things 
that end users and OEMs keep doing with the original platform, and away 
from doing more profitable R&D.
3. certain classes of "800-lb customers" who start insisting on all 
sorts of customizations and ruffles and flourishes, leading to...
4. severe product fragmentation, the kind of thing that people keep 
complaining about in regards to Android.

     To be fair, I've seen all of these play out in real-world scenarios 
-- there are some actual, concrete reasons for some of this attitude on 
the part of vendors.  I've personally been a victim of the "800-lb 
customer" waving his "you'll never get business from us again" club, and 
didn't have any leverage to push back b/c there were always a half-dozen 
competitors ready to offer 90% of my quality for 80% of the price (the 
purchasing scheme in a lot of corporate America is broken these days -- 
the guys who save money by cutting corners up front are not the ones who 
have to pay the cost of fixing those cut corners later).

     But now I'm REALLY off-topic, so I'd better stop.


From fulner at gmail.com  Thu Mar  3 18:43:29 2011
From: fulner at gmail.com (Robert Jim Fulner)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 18:43:29 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] USB Headset
Message-ID: <AANLkTimZiZUz77XjBu7z-xGnbMNwVG8G+4D4fiqbD5zr@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

I'm thinking about purchasing a USB headset that I can use for making VOiP
phone calls with Google Voice.

Has anyone had any experience with this? Make a suggestion for those that
play nice with GNU/Linux? Anything to avoid?

I will be using this mostly with my desktop, which runs Debian stable, if
that matters.

--
Jim Fulner
The DetroitLibertyPenguin
Promoting Free Minds, Free Markets and Free Software
*and whenever possible Free Beer
*"For as long as one of your brothers is not free, none of you are free"
248-765-7458 (cell)
http://www.facebook.com/jim.fulner


From Stan at mcomputersolutions.com  Thu Mar  3 22:53:26 2011
From: Stan at mcomputersolutions.com (Stan Green)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 22:53:26 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <4D6FF531.6010608@skyefire.org>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org>
	<50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E6B2E@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<4D6FF531.6010608@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <201103032253.26370.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>

On Thursday 03 March 2011 03:08:17 pm David McMillan wrote:
> On 3/3/2011 2:22 PM, Ingles, Raymond wrote:
> > Well, there's one other option if you can't reverse-engineer the
> > handshake. Set up a virtual machine on Linux, running Windows. Run the
> > logging software in there. Export the drive so that the Linux host can
> > read it. Have the Linux host watch for data files and copy them off
> > somewhere safe.
>
>      No good, I'm afraid.  Without a manual intervention pushing
> keys/clicking mouse, the server software produces no files at all --
> it's all buffered in RAM until the user manually directs the software to
> export a log file.  One side-effect of this is that on occasions where
> I've left the data stream running for too long (as in, tens of minutes),
> my pagefile usage soars until the entire computer chokes.
>
If you could allow a timed log dump (e.g. every 5 min.) then you could use a 
product like Autoit (http://www.autoitscript.com/site/autoit/), which is a 
scripted keyboard and mouse simulator,  on the Windows box to dump the log. 
This product can run just about any Windows program from a script. I use it 
every day to do little task and some days to do big ones. It is not open 
source, but it is freeware.
> >   Well, if the raw file is just binary floats (with possibly integer
> > timestamps) then you'll have some work to do. Write a simple program
> > that'll take different 4-byte chunks, interpret them as a float, and
> > print them out (possibly with the endianness flipped). Compare the
> > values with the numbers in the text file, and see if they match up. If
> > so, look at the bytes immediately around the bytes you've identified,
> > and see if they can be interpreted as a timestamp. (They should
> > increment...)
>
>      Ahhh, yes, I think I see what you're getting at.  Okay, yeah,
> that's the kind of starting point I was looking for.  Thanks!
>
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From z_mikowski at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  4 02:53:05 2011
From: z_mikowski at yahoo.com (Michael Mikowski)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 23:53:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [mdlug] USB Headset
Message-ID: <140720.96444.qm@web161318.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi Robert and mdlug-ers:

I did a lot of research last year, and got a FREETALK Everyman USB headset last year for use with Skype, and it works great out of the box. 

My experience has been very good, and I highly recommend this headset for Linux.

http://shop.skype.com/headsets/usb/iss-talk-5115-everyman/


And here's a review:

http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/skype/freetalk-everyman-skype-headset-review.asp


No driver installation necessary.  Just plug it in, and the system recognizes it almost immediately.  This is on Kubuntu 10.10 with KDE 4.5.5, and the output device (actually 4 variations) can be viewed on  System Settings -> Multimedia -> Phonon.  I have used it without a hitch since 9.04 and KDE 4.2+.

If you purchase the headset (mine was delivered in about 3 days), here is what you should be able to do, assuming you are using ALSA:

* plug in the headset
* run alsamixer in a terminal
* press f6 to select the device, and choose "FREETALK Everyman" as your device
* press f4 to select input, and make sure your mic is turned up (press 8 to get 80%)
* press f3 to select output, and make sure your pcm output is turned up (again press 8 to get 80%)
* press escape to exist

* arecord -L will list your PCM devices.  In my case, the device "default:CARD=Everyman" works great
* Record a test file.  Speak into the headset after typing in  arecord -Ddefault:CARD=Everyman -t wav -f cd test.wav
* And play it back through the headset: aplay -Ddefault:CARD=Everyman test.wav 

This should be an excellent choice with Google Voice.

Hope that helps!


Sincerely, Mike







________________________________
From: Robert Jim Fulner <fulner at gmail.com>
To: MDLUG <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2011 3:43 PM
Subject: [mdlug] USB Headset

Dear All,

I'm thinking about purchasing a USB headset that I can use for making VOiP
phone calls with Google Voice.

Has anyone had any experience with this? Make a suggestion for those that
play nice with GNU/Linux? Anything to avoid?

I will be using this mostly with my desktop, which runs Debian stable, if
that matters.

--
Jim Fulner
The DetroitLibertyPenguin
Promoting Free Minds, Free Markets and Free Software
*and whenever possible Free Beer
*"For as long as one of your brothers is not free, none of you are free"
248-765-7458 (cell)
http://www.facebook.com/jim.fulner
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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Fri Mar  4 08:31:26 2011
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 08:31:26 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <4D6FF531.6010608@skyefire.org>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org><50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E691B@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>	<4D6E36EC.3050009@skyefire.org><50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E6B2E@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<4D6FF531.6010608@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E6B8C@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: David McMillan
> >   Well, if the raw file is just binary floats (with possibly integer
> > timestamps) then you'll have some work to do. Write a simple program
> > that'll take different 4-byte chunks, interpret them as a float, and
> > print them out (possibly with the endianness flipped). Compare the
> > values with the numbers in the text file, and see if they match up.
If
> > so, look at the bytes immediately around the bytes you've
identified,
> > and see if they can be interpreted as a timestamp. (They should
> > increment...)

>      Ahhh, yes, I think I see what you're getting at.  Okay, yeah,
> that's the kind of starting point I was looking for.  Thanks!

 Note that there may be a "header" at the beginning of the file.
Probably lists at least how many columns there are in file...

 Sincerely,

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From rrclark at rrclark.net  Fri Mar  4 08:50:48 2011
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (rrclark at rrclark.net)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 08:50:48 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] USB Headset
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimZiZUz77XjBu7z-xGnbMNwVG8G+4D4fiqbD5zr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimZiZUz77XjBu7z-xGnbMNwVG8G+4D4fiqbD5zr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f0f219158ea9d48cdb67cdf8f304e96d.squirrel@rrclark.net>

> Dear All,
>
> I'm thinking about purchasing a USB headset that I can use for making VOiP
> phone calls with Google Voice.
>
> Has anyone had any experience with this? Make a suggestion for those that
> play nice with GNU/Linux? Anything to avoid?
>
> I will be using this mostly with my desktop, which runs Debian stable, if
> that matters.

Jim:

I'm using Ubuntu Maverick here with a Logitech USB headset, in particular
this model:  http://tinyurl.com/5ton9vr

It works perfectly for your planned use, as I've VOIPed with both Google's
app and with Skype, and used it for many other audio/visual projects here.
It integrates well w/ PulseAudio. I use the headset mainly when
transcribing medical transcription, and the USB passthrough works really
well to connect a USB footpedal to the VMWare virtual Win XP session for
my employer's transcription app. I also use it when gaming on Warcraft,
and use Mangler as a Linux Ventrilo client.

Have fun,

R



From gib at juno.com  Fri Mar  4 19:20:49 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 00:20:49 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Fw: [Discuss] SBS 2000 directory Services failure
Message-ID: <20110304.192049.28103.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com>

FYI

---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: Lorn H Olsen <Lorn at DynaComm.us>
To: For discussing Unix/Linux related topics <discuss at mug.org>
Cc: Wolfgang Franke <Wolfgang at MiCom.net>
Subject: [Discuss] SBS 2000 directory Services failure
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 13:43:00 -0500

MS Specialist,

Does anyone in the group have the ability to resolve my friend Wolfgang's problem?

He needs to know if he can get help, pretty quickly. Discuss compensation with Wolfgang.

You can contact him directly at 248-476-2950 or via his eMail below.

Thanks,
Lorn

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Wolfgang" <Wolfgang at MiCom.net>
> Date: March 4, 2011 12:38:38 PM EST
> 
> I have a Small Business Server 2000 with a failed Directory Services file that has resisted all repair attempts.
> Does anyone know how to reconstruct Directory Services without having to reload the server ?
>  
> Wolfgang

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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  4 20:10:09 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 20:10:09 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] USB Headset
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimZiZUz77XjBu7z-xGnbMNwVG8G+4D4fiqbD5zr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimZiZUz77XjBu7z-xGnbMNwVG8G+4D4fiqbD5zr@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D718D71.6020804@gmail.com>

Robert Jim Fulner wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> I'm thinking about purchasing a USB headset that I can use for making VOiP
> phone calls with Google Voice.
> 
> Has anyone had any experience with this? Make a suggestion for those that
> play nice with GNU/Linux? Anything to avoid?
> 
> I will be using this mostly with my desktop, which runs Debian stable, if
> that matters.

Every USB headset (3 models) and USB soundcard (1 model) that
I've run across and tried in a Linux system has worked without
any problems.  The peripherals sector seems to be actually
abiding by some sort of standards, at least minimal standards,
far better than say, 15 years ago.


From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  4 20:14:41 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 20:14:41 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Reverse-engineering data protocols
In-Reply-To: <4D6FF7EE.2080700@skyefire.org>
References: <4D6D3209.9090604@skyefire.org>	<4D6D4C94.9000905@gmail.com>	<4D6E3AF6.5080504@skyefire.org>	<4D6FEDA3.7080100@gmail.com>
	<4D6FF7EE.2080700@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <4D718E81.2020508@gmail.com>

David McMillan wrote:
> On 3/3/2011 2:36 PM, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>> Sounds like this company is creating an IMMENSE
>> business opportunity for anyone who can create
>> decent test equipment AND
>>
>> a) be responsive to customer requests
>> 	OR
>> b) open-source the software
>> [After all, you're making money on the test
>> equipment, not the hardware drivers -- something
>> which massive numbers of hardware manufacturers
>> utterly fail to comprehend.]
>      Yes, it would see fairly intuitive that expanding the flexibility 
> of the equipment for end users would almost inevitably increase sales.
> 
>      The pushback I see from vendors on this subject generally runs 
> along these lines:
> 1. opening up that level of access and/or releasing that level of 
> details makes them vulnerable to reverse-engineering by competitors who 
> then can sell a matching product at a lower price point without having 
> to recoup the sunk R&D debts of the original developer
> 2. Doing this generates pressure to divert more of their experienced, 
> skilled personnel into tech support roles for weirder and weirder things 
> that end users and OEMs keep doing with the original platform, and away 
> from doing more profitable R&D.
> 3. certain classes of "800-lb customers" who start insisting on all 
> sorts of customizations and ruffles and flourishes, leading to...
> 4. severe product fragmentation, the kind of thing that people keep 
> complaining about in regards to Android.
> 
>      To be fair, I've seen all of these play out in real-world scenarios 
> -- there are some actual, concrete reasons for some of this attitude on 
> the part of vendors.  I've personally been a victim of the "800-lb 
> customer" waving his "you'll never get business from us again" club, and 
> didn't have any leverage to push back b/c there were always a half-dozen 
> competitors ready to offer 90% of my quality for 80% of the price (the 
> purchasing scheme in a lot of corporate America is broken these days -- 
> the guys who save money by cutting corners up front are not the ones who 
> have to pay the cost of fixing those cut corners later).

This is a basic problem with most current MBA programs...
they're breeding a herd of managers who only care about
their own little fiefdom within the company, but aren't
all that interested in the health and well-being of the
kingdom as a whole.

> 
>      But now I'm REALLY off-topic, so I'd better stop.


It's OK.  There's a reason that after I get back from
Afghanistan, I plan to get out of IT entirely -- and it's
due ENTIRELY to shortsighted management nearly everywhere.


From ldaphelp at thuemmel.com  Fri Mar  4 20:45:23 2011
From: ldaphelp at thuemmel.com (Mark Thuemmel)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 20:45:23 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] USB Headset
In-Reply-To: <f0f219158ea9d48cdb67cdf8f304e96d.squirrel@rrclark.net>
References: <AANLkTimZiZUz77XjBu7z-xGnbMNwVG8G+4D4fiqbD5zr@mail.gmail.com>
	<f0f219158ea9d48cdb67cdf8f304e96d.squirrel@rrclark.net>
Message-ID: <4D7195B3.8040604@thuemmel.com>

On 03/04/2011 08:50 AM, rrclark at rrclark.net wrote:
>> Dear All,
>>
>> I'm thinking about purchasing a USB headset that I can use for making VOiP
>> phone calls with Google Voice.
>>
>> Has anyone had any experience with this? Make a suggestion for those that
>> play nice with GNU/Linux? Anything to avoid?
> 
> Jim:
> 
> I'm using Ubuntu Maverick here with a Logitech USB headset, in particular
> this model:  http://tinyurl.com/5ton9vr
> 
> It works perfectly for your planned use, as I've VOIPed with both Google's
> app and with Skype, and used it for many other audio/visual projects here.
> It integrates well w/ PulseAudio. I use the headset mainly when
> transcribing medical transcription, and the USB passthrough works really
> well to connect a USB footpedal to the VMWare virtual Win XP session for
> my employer's transcription app. I also use it when gaming on Warcraft,
> and use Mangler as a Linux Ventrilo client.

I agree with Rich, the Logitech ClearChat and the USB350 model work
flawlessly with any modern operating system, except, the darn things
hurt people's ears.  Not just my fat head, girls at the office complain
too.  Well, that and they tend to break easily.  The sound quality
(while they work) is way excellent on the mic and headset.

For your desktop, they are fine, even with Skype.  However, for
road-warriors, they break too easily and don't pack well.

Lately I've been gravitating to using a usb->analog converter and using
plain headsets that aren't naturally USB.  A lot more choices available.

At http://tinyurl.com/yc3d8e3 you can get an USB->analog adapter for
$3.65 (including shipping) and use a plain analog headset.  I know my
Ubuntu recognized it automatically.

This gives a lot of flexibility, now my phone and netbook can use the
same headset.

Sure seems like by now, someone would have a cheap usb universal headset
that doesn't break in 90 day and doesn't hurt your head after 20
minutes......if you know of one, I'd like to know where to buy.


From z_mikowski at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  5 01:32:51 2011
From: z_mikowski at yahoo.com (Michael Mikowski)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 22:32:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [mdlug] USB Headset
Message-ID: <922451.12924.qm@web161308.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi Mark:

 I used the FREETALK Everyman USB headset for 2-4 hours a day for about a year, and they were quite comfortable.

Buy here: http://shop.skype.com/headsets/usb/iss-talk-5115-everyman/



________________________________
From: Mark Thuemmel <ldaphelp at thuemmel.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2011 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] USB Headset

...

> Sure seems like by now, someone would have a cheap usb universal headset
> that doesn't break in 90 day and doesn't hurt your head after 20
> minutes......if you know of one, I'd like to know where to buy.
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From fulner at gmail.com  Mon Mar  7 16:30:26 2011
From: fulner at gmail.com (Robert Jim Fulner)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 16:30:26 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] USB Headset
Message-ID: <AANLkTikUji_8wZZqm4VrOhiMs9z8qvc_8DQKEusveTWe@mail.gmail.com>

Wait, am I understanding that I will need to purchase a new USB soundcard
too?

Jim


From z_mikowski at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  7 19:07:07 2011
From: z_mikowski at yahoo.com (Michael Mikowski)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 16:07:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [mdlug] USB Headset
Message-ID: <22190.38930.qm@web161307.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Absolutely not.  The headset will show up as a soundcard in your device list -- at least with the everyman freetalk, and probably with most all others. $29.95 (or less) is all you need to spend.


________________________________
From: Robert Jim Fulner <fulner at gmail.com>
To: MDLUG <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Monday, March 7, 2011 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] USB Headset

Wait, am I understanding that I will need to purchase a new USB soundcard
too?

Jim
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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  7 19:27:38 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 19:27:38 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] USB Headset
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikUji_8wZZqm4VrOhiMs9z8qvc_8DQKEusveTWe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikUji_8wZZqm4VrOhiMs9z8qvc_8DQKEusveTWe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D7577FA.80904@gmail.com>

Robert Jim Fulner wrote:
> Wait, am I understanding that I will need to purchase a new USB soundcard
> too?

No.



From awilliam at opengroupware.us  Tue Mar  8 07:28:45 2011
From: awilliam at opengroupware.us (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 07:28:45 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] USB Headset
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikUji_8wZZqm4VrOhiMs9z8qvc_8DQKEusveTWe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikUji_8wZZqm4VrOhiMs9z8qvc_8DQKEusveTWe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1299587325.8850.4.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 16:30 -0500, Robert Jim Fulner wrote: 
> Wait, am I understanding that I will need to purchase a new USB soundcard
> too?

No, the USB headset *is* a sound "card".

BTW, I've used various USB headsets with openSUSE 11.2/11.3 and they've,
so far, all just-worked.  Just plug it in and right-click on the volume
control, select sound preferences, and they appear in the appropriate
tabs - if you have multiple audio devices you may have to select the one
you want output from.



From gib at juno.com  Wed Mar  9 07:55:47 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 12:55:47 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] [ubuntu-us-mi] job spam
Message-ID: <20110309.075547.15813.1@webmail20.vgs.untd.com>

FYI

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To: Ubuntu Michigan Local Community Team <ubuntu-us-mi at lists.ubuntu.com>
Subject: [ubuntu-us-mi] job spam
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 06:11:20 -0500

Sorry to spam the list, but I just ran across this job posting, which
I am regrettably not qualified for. It really impressed me how
open-source oriented they are being.
Feel free to ignore. I won't make a habit of this.

http://jobview.monster.com/GetJob.aspx?JobID=97575991&WT.mc_n=JSATS04&aid=75822304&fwr=true

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From rrclark at rrclark.net  Wed Mar  9 12:46:14 2011
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (rrclark at rrclark.net)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 12:46:14 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] USB Headset
In-Reply-To: <22190.38930.qm@web161307.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <22190.38930.qm@web161307.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a207efdb4addc24f5cecb80200f10cf3.squirrel@rrclark.net>

> Absolutely not.  The headset will show up as a soundcard in your device
> list

Concur. When installing a set of USB headphones, no matter the brand that
I've used, and I've used several, they all show up as a separate sound
device, apart from the system's native hardware. You'll find selections in
most any pulseaudio-aware software that should allow you to choose your
default output device.



From mrorourke at earthlink.net  Wed Mar  9 15:31:49 2011
From: mrorourke at earthlink.net (Michael ORourke)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 15:31:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [mdlug] rsync scenarios
Message-ID: <8476280.1299702709487.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Lug Nuts,

I have a couple of scenarios that I was trying to figure out.

First scenario...
What happens if you execute multiple rsync processes against the same directory at about the same time.  Will it cause problems?

Suppose you have an automated process, that checks a directory on Srv-1/dir1, then fires off a rsync process to Srv-2/dir1, what happens if the first rsync doesn't finish before another rsync process is fired off?  Ideally, I would like to have it wait, then re-execute or throw an error (rsync in process or something).  Of course I could write a wrapper script that sets a lockfile when the rsync process starts, and clears it when it finishes.  So I could guarantee that only one rsync process is running at a given time.

Another scenario...  what if you have a process that is writing to a file on Srv-1, but hasn't completed yet when the first rsync process fires off?  Does that file get skipped, or does it get partially rsync'd?

Anyone know how rsync handles these 2 different scenarios?

Thanks,
Mike



From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Wed Mar  9 16:48:31 2011
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 16:48:31 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] rsync scenarios
In-Reply-To: <8476280.1299702709487.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <8476280.1299702709487.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim7bDTJ_vKPwCU7=yW31Zns4rLxV0Je0iwuMW2e@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Michael ORourke <mrorourke at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Lug Nuts,
>
> I have a couple of scenarios that I was trying to figure out.
>
> First scenario...
> What happens if you execute multiple rsync processes against the same directory at about the same time. ?Will it cause problems?
>

I haven't used rsync much but IIRC, rsync has a daemon mode.  Perhaps
you could use that to handle the target directory and have rsync
clients connect to it.


From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Wed Mar  9 18:10:31 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 18:10:31 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] rsync scenarios
In-Reply-To: <8476280.1299702709487.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <8476280.1299702709487.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4D7808E7.4080509@gmail.com>

Michael ORourke wrote:
> Lug Nuts,
> 
> I have a couple of scenarios that I was trying to figure out.
> 
> First scenario...
> What happens if you execute multiple rsync processes against the same directory at about the same time.  Will it cause problems?
> 


What experiments have you conducted, and what were the results?

> Suppose you have an automated process, that checks a directory on Srv-1/dir1, then fires off a rsync process to Srv-2/dir1, what happens if the first rsync doesn't finish before another rsync process is fired off?  Ideally, I would like to have it wait, then re-execute or throw an error (rsync in process or something).  Of course I could write a wrapper script that sets a lockfile when the rsync process starts, and clears it when it finishes.  So I could guarantee that only one rsync process is running at a given time.
> 
> Another scenario...  what if you have a process that is writing to a file on Srv-1, but hasn't completed yet when the first rsync process fires off?  Does that file get skipped, or does it get partially rsync'd?
> 
> Anyone know how rsync handles these 2 different scenarios?

The best way to find out is to create some large files, run a
script which starts one rsync process asynchronously (put
an '&' at the end of the command -- the script will continue
on to the next command WITHOUT waiting for the &'ed command
to finish -- for more information, look in the sh, ksh, csh,
bash or tcsh manual), and then look at the results you get.


But in general, the rule is most likely this:

If two rsync processes are READING from the same location(s),
but WRITING to different locations, then everything should
be safe.  In any other scenario (both writing to the same
paths and/or  one writing to the same place another is reading
from), then you risk a race condition which is destructive.

> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
> 
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From awilliam at opengroupware.us  Thu Mar 10 07:54:56 2011
From: awilliam at opengroupware.us (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:54:56 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] rsync scenarios
In-Reply-To: <4D7808E7.4080509@gmail.com>
References: <8476280.1299702709487.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<4D7808E7.4080509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1299761696.11219.25.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Wed, 2011-03-09 at 18:10 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote: 
> Michael ORourke wrote:
> > Lug Nuts,
> > I have a couple of scenarios that I was trying to figure out.
> > First scenario...
> > What happens if you execute multiple rsync processes against the same directory at about the same time.  Will it cause problems?

Yes, in general filesystems are bad for concurrent access [unless the
*application* is smart enough to make provisions for it].

> > Suppose you have an automated process, that checks a directory on Srv-1/dir1, 
> > then fires off a rsync process to Srv-2/dir1, what happens if the first rsync 
> > doesn't finish before another rsync process is fired off? 

You end up with two concurrent rsync's running.  Which may not hurt
anything, but falls into the "undefined behavior" category.

> > Ideally, I would like to have it wait, then re-execute or throw an 
> > error (rsync in process or something).  Of course I could write a
> > wrapper script that sets a lockfile when the rsync process starts,
> > and clears it when it finishes.  So I could guarantee that only one
> >  rsync process is running at a given time.

+1

> > Another scenario...  what if you have a process that is writing to a
> > file on Srv-1, but hasn't completed yet when the first rsync process
> > fires off?  Does that file get skipped, or does it get partially
> > rsync'd?

Partial,  filesystem backups *always* require applications to be
quiescent.

> > Anyone know how rsync handles these 2 different scenarios?

Simply, it doesn't.  The only safe scenario would be if rsync attempted
to acquire an exclusive lock on its current files of interest during the
process;  I checked once upon a time an rsync didn't seem to file-lock
at all.  

Of course there is the related issue of two separate files whose
contents are correlated: A & B.  rsync copies B, application writes to A
& B, rsync copies A.  When you try to use those files from your backup
the app just pukes mysteriously.  

rsync is an awesome tool, I'm not knocking it, I use it, but it is what
it is - a filesystem level too.  Since the filesystem doesn't understand
the applications / sites data-model... the resulting copy may be
inconsistent unless external provisions are made to prevent that
condition [because *you* know about the applications / sites
data-model].

> But in general, the rule is most likely this:
> If two rsync processes are READING from the same location(s),
> but WRITING to different locations, then everything should
> be safe.  In any other scenario (both writing to the same
> paths and/or  one writing to the same place another is reading
> from), then you risk a race condition which is destructive.

I think the condition that results, more likely that a race, is just
scrambled data.



From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 11 00:41:36 2011
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 00:41:36 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] The beginning of the end for Wintel?
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=rRENDuJ=n_T7=ZcSJQz6+hAmYL-826TVF+jwE@mail.gmail.com>

A "Tegra 2" system-on-a chip (SoC) dual-core ARM-based micro-desktop
that runs Ubuntu or Android 3.0 is about to be released (by the end of
April, according to the developers).  Despite its small size, it seems
to be packed with features.  For many people, this would be enough
computer to do what they need...
<http://mrpogson.com/2011/03/10/april-2011-the-month-the-desktop-changes>

NVIDIA's founder says that this is just the beginning--the successors
to the current-generation Tegra chips will be ever-more-powerful, yet
still highly efficient.
<http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/04/idUS1863188220110304>

For example, the quad-core "Tegra 3"--code-name Kal-El--is due this summer.
<http://pocketnow.com/android/nvidia-quad-core-kal-el-in-android-devices-this-summer>

Texas Instruments isn't standing still, either--though *their*
quad-core ARM SoC takes a substantially different approach.
<http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile/display/20110207230609_Texas_Instruments_Reveals_Quad_Core_2GHz_ARM_SoC_with_Stereo_3D_Support.html>

I predict interesting times ahead for all of us, including Intel and
Microsoft.  The Sandy Bridge fabrication glitch HAS to hurt--and I
predict that Windows-on-ARM will be too little, too late..
<http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2378975,00.asp>

~~ Michael Rudas
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From tony at bemushosting.com  Fri Mar 11 22:31:37 2011
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 22:31:37 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] March Meeting Reminder (3/12/11) - web-cast?
Message-ID: <1299900697.2634.13.camel@tony-laptop>

Hello everyone,
   Sorry this is last minute but here is what we expect to do for the
March meeting, this Saturday 3/12/11. 
   Get your webcams and your microphones because we are testing our web
based video conferencing server.  If you are unable to join the meeting
in person check out our web-cast meeting server http://blue.mdlug.org We
will be in the demo meeting. 
   We will have a discussion on Penguicon - any ideas on what we can
contribute to the weekend,  Past discussions lead us to agree on
presenting something.  We can start planning and taking volunteers.
   We will also discuss the new web conferencing server running Big Blue
Button http://www.bigbluebutton.org.  I would like to stress that we are
still in testing and we need feedback on what is working and not
working.  I will also be on IRC so if something isn't working or you get
disconnected for some reason then you still communicate there.  connect
to the irc.freenode.net server and join the #mdlug channel or for the
web client http://www.mdlug.org/irc.html 
   Maybe Mat Enders will have a Tech Tip?  or did someone else
volunteer?

Tony Bemus
MDLUG Sectary and Webmaster



From gib at juno.com  Fri Mar 11 22:44:40 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 03:44:40 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] March Meeting Reminder (3/12/11) - web-cast?
Message-ID: <20110311.224440.28316.2@webmail04.vgs.untd.com>

Thank yo Tony.  I asked one of the guys at work to connect up. Hopefully he will.

Penguicon - they would like us to put the blue server inside their network at the hotel.   I'm thinking I can bring an extra computer too.  They have a locked room.  Or we can put it in our crash room - but they may not be able to connect us.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: [mdlug] March Meeting Reminder (3/12/11) - web-cast?
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 22:31:37 -0500

Hello everyone,
   Sorry this is last minute but here is what we expect to do for the
March meeting, this Saturday 3/12/11. 
   Get your webcams and your microphones because we are testing our web
based video conferencing server.  If you are unable to join the meeting
in person check out our web-cast meeting server http://blue.mdlug.org We
will be in the demo meeting. 
   We will have a discussion on Penguicon - any ideas on what we can
contribute to the weekend,  Past discussions lead us to agree on
presenting something.  We can start planning and taking volunteers.
   We will also discuss the new web conferencing server running Big Blue
Button http://www.bigbluebutton.org.  I would like to stress that we are
still in testing and we need feedback on what is working and not
working.  I will also be on IRC so if something isn't working or you get
disconnected for some reason then you still communicate there.  connect
to the irc.freenode.net server and join the #mdlug channel or for the
web client http://www.mdlug.org/irc.html 
   Maybe Mat Enders will have a Tech Tip?  or did someone else
volunteer?

Tony Bemus
MDLUG Sectary and Webmaster

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From carl at carltm.com  Sat Mar 12 14:32:10 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:32:10 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
Message-ID: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

I've been using sendmail exclusively for the MTA on
servers and workstations.  Now I'm setting up a new
workstation and thinking of trying something new.

So I'm looking for feedback...exim or postfix, and why?

c




From mrorourke at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 13 12:55:01 2011
From: mrorourke at earthlink.net (Michael ORourke)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 12:55:01 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
References: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <F60204D54A014309B77401B7B6B2A646@homepc>

Postfix!

I've never been a big fan of sendmail.  It's configuration files give me a 
headache just looking at them.
Postfix configs seem a lot easier for mere mortals to deal with, well 
documented, and easier to understand.  Now I haven't spent much time with 
exim, so I am a bit biased towards postfix.  I guess I can't really compare 
and contrast the two, but I would recommend taking a closer look at postfix.

On a side note, I've been working a lot recently with CentOS and it's 
default MTA is sendmail (as I reach for the Advil bottle). ;-)

-Mike


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carl T. Miller" <carl at carltm.com>
To: "MDLUG List" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 3:32 PM
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?


> I've been using sendmail exclusively for the MTA on
> servers and workstations.  Now I'm setting up a new
> workstation and thinking of trying something new.
>
> So I'm looking for feedback...exim or postfix, and why?
>
> c
>
>
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> mdlug at mdlug.org
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From mrorourke at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 13 13:07:08 2011
From: mrorourke at earthlink.net (Michael ORourke)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:07:08 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] rsync scenarios
References: <8476280.1299702709487.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net><4D7808E7.4080509@gmail.com>
	<1299761696.11219.25.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
Message-ID: <DD2D1C6EF2084DB0A9C3229EEF6F792F@homepc>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Tauno Williams" <awilliam at opengroupware.us>
To: <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] rsync scenarios


> On Wed, 2011-03-09 at 18:10 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>> Michael ORourke wrote:
>> > Lug Nuts,
>> > I have a couple of scenarios that I was trying to figure out.
>> > First scenario...
>> > What happens if you execute multiple rsync processes against the same 
>> > directory at about the same time.  Will it cause problems?
>
> Yes, in general filesystems are bad for concurrent access [unless the
> *application* is smart enough to make provisions for it].
>
>> > Suppose you have an automated process, that checks a directory on 
>> > Srv-1/dir1,
>> > then fires off a rsync process to Srv-2/dir1, what happens if the first 
>> > rsync
>> > doesn't finish before another rsync process is fired off?
>
> You end up with two concurrent rsync's running.  Which may not hurt
> anything, but falls into the "undefined behavior" category.
>

Yep, better to stay away from that category.

>> > Ideally, I would like to have it wait, then re-execute or throw an
>> > error (rsync in process or something).  Of course I could write a
>> > wrapper script that sets a lockfile when the rsync process starts,
>> > and clears it when it finishes.  So I could guarantee that only one
>> >  rsync process is running at a given time.
>
> +1
>

I guess +1 is good, unless it's the return code.

>> > Another scenario...  what if you have a process that is writing to a
>> > file on Srv-1, but hasn't completed yet when the first rsync process
>> > fires off?  Does that file get skipped, or does it get partially
>> > rsync'd?
>
> Partial,  filesystem backups *always* require applications to be
> quiescent.
>
>> > Anyone know how rsync handles these 2 different scenarios?
>
> Simply, it doesn't.  The only safe scenario would be if rsync attempted
> to acquire an exclusive lock on its current files of interest during the
> process;  I checked once upon a time an rsync didn't seem to file-lock
> at all.
>

Good to know.  I guess it is better to assume that it doesn't, then to 
assume it does.

> Of course there is the related issue of two separate files whose
> contents are correlated: A & B.  rsync copies B, application writes to A
> & B, rsync copies A.  When you try to use those files from your backup
> the app just pukes mysteriously.
>
> rsync is an awesome tool, I'm not knocking it, I use it, but it is what
> it is - a filesystem level too.  Since the filesystem doesn't understand
> the applications / sites data-model... the resulting copy may be
> inconsistent unless external provisions are made to prevent that
> condition [because *you* know about the applications / sites
> data-model].
>
>> But in general, the rule is most likely this:
>> If two rsync processes are READING from the same location(s),
>> but WRITING to different locations, then everything should
>> be safe.  In any other scenario (both writing to the same
>> paths and/or  one writing to the same place another is reading
>> from), then you risk a race condition which is destructive.
>
> I think the condition that results, more likely that a race, is just
> scrambled data.

Well, I like my data scrambled with a side of bacon, but not in the 
production environment.

Thanks for the comments.  -Mike

>
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From awilliam at opengroupware.us  Sun Mar 13 12:23:19 2011
From: awilliam at opengroupware.us (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 12:23:19 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
In-Reply-To: <F60204D54A014309B77401B7B6B2A646@homepc>
References: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<F60204D54A014309B77401B7B6B2A646@homepc>
Message-ID: <1300033399.12205.1.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 12:55 -0400, Michael ORourke wrote:
> On a side note, I've been working a lot recently with CentOS and it's 
> default MTA is sendmail (as I reach for the Advil bottle). ;-)

yum install system-switch-mail




From mark.stanislav at gmail.com  Sun Mar 13 13:27:35 2011
From: mark.stanislav at gmail.com (Mark Stanislav)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:27:35 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
In-Reply-To: <1300033399.12205.1.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
References: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<F60204D54A014309B77401B7B6B2A646@homepc>
	<1300033399.12205.1.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
Message-ID: <96D7FA45-C73F-4C00-BA9C-14405FA102D5@gmail.com>

RHEL 6 now defaults to Postfix instead of Sendmail.

On Mar 13, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

> On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 12:55 -0400, Michael ORourke wrote:
>> On a side note, I've been working a lot recently with CentOS and it's 
>> default MTA is sendmail (as I reach for the Advil bottle). ;-)
> 
> yum install system-switch-mail
> 
> 
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From ldaphelp at thuemmel.com  Sun Mar 13 13:40:31 2011
From: ldaphelp at thuemmel.com (Mark Thuemmel)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:40:31 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
In-Reply-To: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <4D7D018F.70804@thuemmel.com>

On 03/12/2011 02:32 PM, Carl T. Miller wrote:
> I've been using sendmail exclusively for the MTA on
> servers and workstations.  Now I'm setting up a new
> workstation and thinking of trying something new.
> 
> So I'm looking for feedback...exim or postfix, and why?

Postfix

I started with Sendmail in the 90s, but switched about 8 years ago to
postfix.  I find postfix easier to work with.

I'd say Postfix maybe easier to configure, maybe more secure, more
modern, more modular.

But if you are already experienced with Sendmail, you might just stick
to it unless you have something you can't get it to do.

Using the default MTA of your distro makes sense too.


From lugnuts at doehler.us  Sun Mar 13 14:13:43 2011
From: lugnuts at doehler.us (Joe Doehler)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 14:13:43 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
In-Reply-To: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <4D7D0957.8060000@doehler.us>

On 3/12/2011 2:32 PM, Carl T. Miller wrote:
> I've been using sendmail exclusively for the MTA on
> servers and workstations.  Now I'm setting up a new
> workstation and thinking of trying something new.
>
> So I'm looking for feedback...exim or postfix, and why?
>
> c

I use Exim. The reason I picked it is that I found it easy to add C-code 
that examines a sender return address and to reject the unwanted ones at 
the SMTP level, before the body of the e-mail is transmitted.

Joe.


From carl at carltm.com  Sun Mar 13 15:57:05 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 15:57:05 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
In-Reply-To: <4D7D0957.8060000@doehler.us>
References: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<4D7D0957.8060000@doehler.us>
Message-ID: <443396cd104e9e75402361f38abab4b3.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Joe Doehler wrote:
>> So I'm looking for feedback...exim or postfix, and why?
>
> I use Exim. The reason I picked it is that I found it easy to add C-code
> that examines a sender return address and to reject the unwanted ones at
> the SMTP level, before the body of the e-mail is transmitted.


That reminds me.  I use procmail rules on a few systems.
Are exim and postfix compatible with procmail?  Or do they
have an easy way to launch a shell script when a specific
email message arrives?

c




From mrorourke at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 13 17:02:01 2011
From: mrorourke at earthlink.net (Michael ORourke)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:02:01 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
Message-ID: <17172896.1300050121982.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Thanks for the tip.  -Mike

-----Original Message-----
>From: Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam at opengroupware.us>
>Sent: Mar 13, 2011 12:23 PM
>To: mdlug at mdlug.org
>Subject: Re: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
>
>On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 12:55 -0400, Michael ORourke wrote:
>> On a side note, I've been working a lot recently with CentOS and it's 
>> default MTA is sendmail (as I reach for the Advil bottle). ;-)
>
>yum install system-switch-mail
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>mdlug mailing list
>mdlug at mdlug.org
>http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From awilliam at opengroupware.us  Sun Mar 13 16:38:51 2011
From: awilliam at opengroupware.us (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 16:38:51 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
In-Reply-To: <443396cd104e9e75402361f38abab4b3.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<4D7D0957.8060000@doehler.us>
	<443396cd104e9e75402361f38abab4b3.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <1300048731.12205.6.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 15:57 -0400, Carl T. Miller wrote:
> Joe Doehler wrote:
> >> So I'm looking for feedback...exim or postfix, and why?
> > I use Exim. The reason I picked it is that I found it easy to add C-code
> > that examines a sender return address and to reject the unwanted ones at
> > the SMTP level, before the body of the e-mail is transmitted.
> That reminds me.  I use procmail rules on a few systems.
> Are exim and postfix compatible with procmail?  

Yes.

> Or do they
> have an easy way to launch a shell script when a specific
> email message arrives?

You can built your own milters [just like with sendmail].

Although my advice is always to ditch procmail and associated hacks and
move to LMTP delivery to a backend that support SIEVE.



From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Mon Mar 14 10:15:54 2011
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:15:54 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
In-Reply-To: <F60204D54A014309B77401B7B6B2A646@homepc>
References: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<F60204D54A014309B77401B7B6B2A646@homepc>
Message-ID: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E7115@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Michael ORourke

> I've never been a big fan of sendmail.  It's configuration files give
me a
> headache just looking at them.

I'm not in favor of a config-file format that's Turing-complete. (In
other words, you could - theoretically - program a copy of sendmail *in*
the sendmail configuration language.)

There are arguments in favor of this, I suppose - flexibility being the
main one - but I'm a fan of the Unix principle of "do one thing well".

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                                    (313)
227-2317

 "I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom
of the
 people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by
violent
             and sudden usurpations." - James Madison, 1788

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From radkins at impelind.com  Mon Mar 14 10:47:40 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:47:40 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
In-Reply-To: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E7115@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com><F60204D54A014309B77401B7B6B2A646@homepc>
	<50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E7115@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <39FBAC2D2A894B049253D1CEDEE53B3D@Delta7>


Postfix is designed to be secure from the beginning of its development, at
least per the original developer of the system.

It's easy to configure and is supported in a few different GUI based
configuration program systems.

-Rob
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Ingles, Raymond
> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 10:16 AM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
> 
> > From: Michael ORourke
> 
> > I've never been a big fan of sendmail.  It's configuration 
> files give
> me a
> > headache just looking at them.
> 
> I'm not in favor of a config-file format that's 
> Turing-complete. (In other words, you could - theoretically - 
> program a copy of sendmail *in* the sendmail configuration language.)
> 
> There are arguments in favor of this, I suppose - flexibility 
> being the main one - but I'm a fan of the Unix principle of 
> "do one thing well".
> 
>  Sincerely,
> 
>  Ray Ingles                                                    (313)
> 227-2317
> 
>  "I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of 
> the freedom of the  people by gradual and silent 
> encroachments of those in power than by violent
>              and sudden usurpations." - James Madison, 1788
> 
> The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named 
> addressee only. It contains information that may be 
> confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an 
> authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose 
> it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify 
> us immediately and then destroy it.
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From radkins at impelind.com  Mon Mar 14 13:13:43 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 13:13:43 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] External HDs - Any with RAID 1 Support?
Message-ID: <F55516D1C88B41BEB1FD6C0BF8304EEF@Delta7>

I have a friend looking to store a shedload of MP3s and he is concerned with
keeping his data without making tape backups.
 
I would like to suggest a RAID 1 setup in an external drive kit. Is there
anything like this available on the market? Preferably with a USB
connection?
 
Thanks,
Rob


From mark.stanislav at gmail.com  Mon Mar 14 13:16:35 2011
From: mark.stanislav at gmail.com (Mark Stanislav)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 13:16:35 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] External HDs - Any with RAID 1 Support?
In-Reply-To: <F55516D1C88B41BEB1FD6C0BF8304EEF@Delta7>
References: <F55516D1C88B41BEB1FD6C0BF8304EEF@Delta7>
Message-ID: <446525D6-4F8C-4487-836F-E1D935E1166F@gmail.com>

http://www.drobo.com/

On Mar 14, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Robert Adkins II wrote:

> I have a friend looking to store a shedload of MP3s and he is concerned with
> keeping his data without making tape backups.
> 
> I would like to suggest a RAID 1 setup in an external drive kit. Is there
> anything like this available on the market? Preferably with a USB
> connection?
> 
> Thanks,
> Rob
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From danno at umich.edu  Mon Mar 14 14:39:49 2011
From: danno at umich.edu (Dan Pritts)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:39:49 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
In-Reply-To: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <8e50ce26ebc614a3e3e6020f45fee567.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <EFA438A2-0A53-4F11-9081-D6AE834231DC@umich.edu>

I briefly considered exim before choosing postfix.

I don't remember what i didn't like about exim, but i like postfix's 
modular design and find it really simple to configure.  

I used to be a sendmail expert, at least by some lame local standard
of expertise.  I finally gave up about 8 years ago when i started
here at internet2.

if you need to do UUCP or something even more goofball, 
sendmail might be your best bet.  Otherwise, fuhgeddaboutit.

On Mar 12, 2011, at 2:32 PM, Carl T. Miller wrote:
> I've been using sendmail exclusively for the MTA on
> servers and workstations.  Now I'm setting up a new
> workstation and thinking of trying something new.
> 
> So I'm looking for feedback...exim or postfix, and why?



From danno at umich.edu  Mon Mar 14 14:40:52 2011
From: danno at umich.edu (Dan Pritts)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:40:52 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] External HDs - Any with RAID 1 Support?
In-Reply-To: <F55516D1C88B41BEB1FD6C0BF8304EEF@Delta7>
References: <F55516D1C88B41BEB1FD6C0BF8304EEF@Delta7>
Message-ID: <1F7E6A33-834C-441C-9A1A-43FF46C69887@umich.edu>

RAID is useful but is not a replacement for backups.

I'd recommend two separate drives and some sort of automated backup software.

On Mar 14, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Robert Adkins II wrote:

> I have a friend looking to store a shedload of MP3s and he is concerned with
> keeping his data without making tape backups.
> 
> I would like to suggest a RAID 1 setup in an external drive kit. Is there
> anything like this available on the market? Preferably with a USB
> connection?



From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 14 14:56:12 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:56:12 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] External HDs - Any with RAID 1 Support?
In-Reply-To: <1F7E6A33-834C-441C-9A1A-43FF46C69887@umich.edu>
References: <F55516D1C88B41BEB1FD6C0BF8304EEF@Delta7>
	<1F7E6A33-834C-441C-9A1A-43FF46C69887@umich.edu>
Message-ID: <4D7E64CC.4040606@gmail.com>

Dan Pritts wrote:
> RAID is useful but is not a replacement for backups.

Absolutely correct.

RAID is for reducing the problems caused by hardware failure
so as to give extended system uptime.

Raid will NOT bring back your mistakenly-deleted file,
because when you delete it on the primary image, it
gets deleted out of the mirror and/or parity bits, too.

If you have to chose ONLY ONE (due to budgetary concerns),
your number one priority should be system backups.

Now note... you can USE RAID software (partition mirroring)
as a METHOD of accomplishing a backup on a live system
1. attach backup disk
2. enable mirror & start synchronization process
3. If any database (or similar app which requires a
   set of files to be mutually consistent) is running,
	shut it down
4. disable mirror (OS will perform a filesystem sync
	so that the mirror is in a consistent state
	before taking it offline.)
5. Restart databases and other apps.
> 
> I'd recommend two separate drives and some sort of automated backup software.
> 

Sounds good to me.  Tapes are getting ridiculously expensive
these days.

> On Mar 14, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Robert Adkins II wrote:
> 
>> I have a friend looking to store a shedload of MP3s and he is concerned with
>> keeping his data without making tape backups.
>>
>> I would like to suggest a RAID 1 setup in an external drive kit. Is there
>> anything like this available on the market? Preferably with a USB
>> connection?
> 


From z_mikowski at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 14 17:06:49 2011
From: z_mikowski at yahoo.com (Michael Mikowski)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:06:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?
Message-ID: <433692.63278.qm@web161312.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I can't speak to exim, but postfix is purposely built to have a sendmail configuration "flavor".  
That may be an important consideration given your experience with sendmail.

Thankfully, however, postfix config files are simple text.  No need for m4, et. al.

Cheers, Mike 



________________________________
From: Carl T. Miller <carl at carltm.com>
To: MDLUG List <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:32 AM
Subject: [mdlug] exim or postfix, and why?

I've been using sendmail exclusively for the MTA on
servers and workstations.  Now I'm setting up a new
workstation and thinking of trying something new.

So I'm looking for feedback...exim or postfix, and why?

c


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From mrorourke at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 14 19:27:07 2011
From: mrorourke at earthlink.net (Michael ORourke)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:27:07 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] External HDs - Any with RAID 1 Support?
References: <F55516D1C88B41BEB1FD6C0BF8304EEF@Delta7>
Message-ID: <8FB03EA45B3A4E0AAC282555FF7474B6@homepc>

Something like this NAS device could work pretty well.
http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=509
However, it is not designed to be connected via USB.

If you really want to do USB, then something like this might be a better 
choice:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Macally-Nsa2s350nas-3-5-Dual-Sata-Usb2-0-netwo-/330533916716?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf55b502c
You would still need to purchase hard drives, but he could keep the total 
cost around $150-250, depending on how much space he needs.

Someone else mentioned a Drobo, which could also be a great solution.  But 
they seem overpriced to me, even the used ones selling on eBay.

-Mike


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com>
To: "'MDLUG's Main discussion list'" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 1:13 PM
Subject: [mdlug] External HDs - Any with RAID 1 Support?


>I have a friend looking to store a shedload of MP3s and he is concerned 
>with
> keeping his data without making tape backups.
>
> I would like to suggest a RAID 1 setup in an external drive kit. Is there
> anything like this available on the market? Preferably with a USB
> connection?
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


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From mrorourke at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 14 19:47:22 2011
From: mrorourke at earthlink.net (Michael ORourke)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:47:22 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] External HDs - Any with RAID 1 Support?
References: <F55516D1C88B41BEB1FD6C0BF8304EEF@Delta7><1F7E6A33-834C-441C-9A1A-43FF46C69887@umich.edu>
	<4D7E64CC.4040606@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EDFF93E8DB7346C09E42BE2156A8F7BD@homepc>

But keep in mind, he is just storing MP3's on the external RAID1 device.
I'm sure it won't matter if he loses a file now and then.  Probably wouldn't 
even notice.

-Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aaron Kulkis" <akulkis00 at gmail.com>
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] External HDs - Any with RAID 1 Support?


> Dan Pritts wrote:
>> RAID is useful but is not a replacement for backups.
>
> Absolutely correct.
>
> RAID is for reducing the problems caused by hardware failure
> so as to give extended system uptime.
>
> Raid will NOT bring back your mistakenly-deleted file,
> because when you delete it on the primary image, it
> gets deleted out of the mirror and/or parity bits, too.
>
> If you have to chose ONLY ONE (due to budgetary concerns),
> your number one priority should be system backups.
>
> Now note... you can USE RAID software (partition mirroring)
> as a METHOD of accomplishing a backup on a live system
> 1. attach backup disk
> 2. enable mirror & start synchronization process
> 3. If any database (or similar app which requires a
>   set of files to be mutually consistent) is running,
> shut it down
> 4. disable mirror (OS will perform a filesystem sync
> so that the mirror is in a consistent state
> before taking it offline.)
> 5. Restart databases and other apps.
>>
>> I'd recommend two separate drives and some sort of automated backup 
>> software.
>>
>
> Sounds good to me.  Tapes are getting ridiculously expensive
> these days.
>
>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Robert Adkins II wrote:
>>
>>> I have a friend looking to store a shedload of MP3s and he is concerned 
>>> with
>>> keeping his data without making tape backups.
>>>
>>> I would like to suggest a RAID 1 setup in an external drive kit. Is 
>>> there
>>> anything like this available on the market? Preferably with a USB
>>> connection?
>>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


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From robert.citek at gmail.com  Mon Mar 14 19:48:37 2011
From: robert.citek at gmail.com (Robert Citek)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:48:37 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] External HDs - Any with RAID 1 Support?
In-Reply-To: <F55516D1C88B41BEB1FD6C0BF8304EEF@Delta7>
References: <F55516D1C88B41BEB1FD6C0BF8304EEF@Delta7>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinEX46mXH-RUe+P7Tk9PQ3B-r6fHpFODNFAyaO1@mail.gmail.com>

How tech-savvy is this individual?

Two SATA drives + one SATA/USB/eSATA dock[1] + rsync

rsync computer to disk1.  Then rsync disk1 to disk2.

[1] http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0335291

Regards,
- Robert

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Robert Adkins II <radkins at impelind.com> wrote:
> I have a friend looking to store a shedload of MP3s and he is concerned with
> keeping his data without making tape backups.
>
> I would like to suggest a RAID 1 setup in an external drive kit. Is there
> anything like this available on the market? Preferably with a USB
> connection?
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>


From dobwan at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 14 21:14:16 2011
From: dobwan at earthlink.net (Duane Brown)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:14:16 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] External HDs - Any with RAID 1 Support?
In-Reply-To: <EDFF93E8DB7346C09E42BE2156A8F7BD@homepc>
References: <F55516D1C88B41BEB1FD6C0BF8304EEF@Delta7><1F7E6A33-834C-441C-9A1A-43FF46C69887@umich.edu>	<4D7E64CC.4040606@gmail.com>
	<EDFF93E8DB7346C09E42BE2156A8F7BD@homepc>
Message-ID: <4D7EBD68.8090503@earthlink.net>

check buy.com I saw a 2TB NAS I think Buffalo is the brand for the $250 
range, it might even have been $150. I remember thinking it was one HECK 
of a great deal.

Duane O. Brown

On 03/14/2011 07:47 PM, Michael ORourke wrote:
> But keep in mind, he is just storing MP3's on the external RAID1 device.
> I'm sure it won't matter if he loses a file now and then.  Probably wouldn't
> even notice.
>
> -Mike


From tesral at wowway.com  Mon Mar 14 23:37:07 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:37:07 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] External HDs - Any with RAID 1 Support?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinEX46mXH-RUe+P7Tk9PQ3B-r6fHpFODNFAyaO1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F55516D1C88B41BEB1FD6C0BF8304EEF@Delta7>
	<AANLkTinEX46mXH-RUe+P7Tk9PQ3B-r6fHpFODNFAyaO1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D7EDEE3.80905@wowway.com>

Robert Citek wrote:
> How tech-savvy is this individual?
>
> Two SATA drives + one SATA/USB/eSATA dock[1] + rsync
>
> rsync computer to disk1.  Then rsync disk1 to disk2.
>   
On Phoenix I do backups on a pair of JBOD disks with rsync of /home. 
Secondary backup to an external same deal.  Maestro my stereo has a RAID
1 array.  Very little ever gets deleted, just added.  I have over 300
CDs ripped in wave.  I do not want to do that twice.  The only reason
for the RAID.  backup is supplied by the 300 odd original disks. 
Thinker runs naked.  Phoenix is the backup. 


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From radkins at impelind.com  Tue Mar 15 15:17:07 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:17:07 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] External HDs - Any with RAID 1 Support?
In-Reply-To: <1F7E6A33-834C-441C-9A1A-43FF46C69887@umich.edu>
References: <F55516D1C88B41BEB1FD6C0BF8304EEF@Delta7>
	<1F7E6A33-834C-441C-9A1A-43FF46C69887@umich.edu>
Message-ID: <BC278C17FCD2491C95AD64769CDD56B6@Delta7>

I know.

It's a guy running Windows for his business and pleasure who is far more
happy tearing apart entire automobiles than bothering to learn all this
complicated lingo and mumbo-jumbo of building highly available and redundant
backup systems.

Thanks,
Rob

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Dan Pritts
> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 2:41 PM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] External HDs - Any with RAID 1 Support?
> 
> RAID is useful but is not a replacement for backups.
> 
> I'd recommend two separate drives and some sort of automated 
> backup software.
> 
> On Mar 14, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Robert Adkins II wrote:
> 
> > I have a friend looking to store a shedload of MP3s and he is 
> > concerned with keeping his data without making tape backups.
> > 
> > I would like to suggest a RAID 1 setup in an external drive kit. Is 
> > there anything like this available on the market? Preferably with a 
> > USB connection?
> 
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From mat.enders at gmail.com  Tue Mar 15 15:27:39 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (Mat Enders)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:27:39 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] some packages not updating
Message-ID: <AANLkTikAGN102FTUpp4Dc6obfWgo-8mM-SXLPohk3RsP@mail.gmail.com>

When I try yo update or upgrade with yum some packages are not updating:

[root at SHODAN ~]# yum update
Loaded plugins: allowdowngrade, changelog, downloadonly, fastestmirror,
priorities
Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
 * addons: mirror.fdcservers.net
 * base: mirror.nuvio.com
 * centosplus: mirror.nexcess.net
 * contrib: yum.singlehop.com
 * extras: yum.singlehop.com
 * rpmforge: fr2.rpmfind.net
 * updates: mirror.nexcess.net
Setting up Update Process
Resolving Dependencies
--> Running transaction check
--> Processing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Bzip2) = 2.024 for package:
perl-IO-Compress
---> Package perl-Compress-Raw-Bzip2.i386 0:2.033-1.el5.rf set to be updated
--> Processing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Zlib) = 2.024 for package:
perl-IO-Compress
---> Package perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib.i386 0:2.033-1.el5.rf set to be updated
---> Package tzdata.i386 0:2011b-1.el5 set to be updated
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch from installed has depsolving
problems
  --> Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Bzip2) = 2.024 is needed by
package perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch (installed)
perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch from installed has depsolving
problems
  --> Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Zlib) = 2.024 is needed by
package perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch (installed)
Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Bzip2) = 2.024 is needed by
package perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch (installed)
Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Zlib) = 2.024 is needed by
package perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch (installed)
 You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem
 You could try running: package-cleanup --problems
                        package-cleanup --dupes
                        rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest
[root at SHODAN ~]#

I have tried all of the suggested fixes at the bottom of the error message.
I get the same result whether I use the update or upgrade command.

Thanks

-- 
Mathew E. Enders


From jjn at nuge.com  Tue Mar 15 16:58:55 2011
From: jjn at nuge.com (Jay Nugent)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:58:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [mdlug] some packages not updating
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikAGN102FTUpp4Dc6obfWgo-8mM-SXLPohk3RsP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.1103151557430.17062-100000@home.nuge.com>

Greetings,

On Tue, 15 Mar 2011, Mat Enders wrote:

> When I try yo update or upgrade with yum some packages are not updating:
> 
> [root at SHODAN ~]# yum update
> Loaded plugins: allowdowngrade, changelog, downloadonly, fastestmirror,
> priorities
> Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
>  * addons: mirror.fdcservers.net
>  * base: mirror.nuvio.com
>  * centosplus: mirror.nexcess.net
>  * contrib: yum.singlehop.com
>  * extras: yum.singlehop.com
>  * rpmforge: fr2.rpmfind.net
>  * updates: mirror.nexcess.net
> Setting up Update Process
> Resolving Dependencies
> --> Running transaction check
> --> Processing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Bzip2) = 2.024 for package:
> perl-IO-Compress
> ---> Package perl-Compress-Raw-Bzip2.i386 0:2.033-1.el5.rf set to be updated
> --> Processing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Zlib) = 2.024 for package:
> perl-IO-Compress
> ---> Package perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib.i386 0:2.033-1.el5.rf set to be updated
> ---> Package tzdata.i386 0:2011b-1.el5 set to be updated
> --> Finished Dependency Resolution
> perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch from installed has depsolving
> problems
>   --> Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Bzip2) = 2.024 is needed by
> package perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch (installed)
> perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch from installed has depsolving
> problems
>   --> Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Zlib) = 2.024 is needed by
> package perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch (installed)
> Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Bzip2) = 2.024 is needed by
> package perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch (installed)
> Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Zlib) = 2.024 is needed by
> package perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch (installed)
>  You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem
>  You could try running: package-cleanup --problems
>                         package-cleanup --dupes
>                         rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest
> [root at SHODAN ~]#
> 
> I have tried all of the suggested fixes at the bottom of the error message.
> I get the same result whether I use the update or upgrade command.


   I have had a very similar issue with some Perl packages.  I just do the 
--skip-broken  option and so far it has not caused me any heartache.  
YMMV.


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From carl at carltm.com  Tue Mar 15 18:42:43 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:42:43 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] some packages not updating
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikAGN102FTUpp4Dc6obfWgo-8mM-SXLPohk3RsP@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikAGN102FTUpp4Dc6obfWgo-8mM-SXLPohk3RsP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cad65a038d658ee12f2616de581c2891.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Mat Enders wrote:
> ---> Package perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib.i386 0:2.033-1.el5.rf set to be
> updated

> perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch from installed has depsolving
> problems
>   --> Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Bzip2) = 2.024 is needed by
> package perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch (installed)

The top line tells you it wants to upgrade a package to version
2.033-1, however the next line says another package needs to keep
version 2.024-1 of the one you want to upgrade.

Can you see if you can safely remove or replace the
perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch package?

c




From gib at juno.com  Wed Mar 16 21:47:29 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 01:47:29 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Big Blue Button config issue
Message-ID: <20110316.214729.9223.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>

Installed Big Blue Button on Ubuntu 10.10. Worked wen I had it as IP address in my 
segment.  Modified /etc/network/interfaces to my static IP. Now I get a 403 forbidden 
error from nginx.  I set up the worker process to run as root still same problem. 


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From tony at bemushosting.com  Wed Mar 16 22:35:18 2011
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:35:18 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Big Blue Button config issue
Message-ID: <0LoVeM-1PY7xu0kzS-00fopf@mrelay.perfora.net>

The bbb config files need to be configured with the new ip address.  I believe the command is:
 sudu bbb-conf -c 

If that doesnt work then check the bbb wiki

Tony Bemus
Sent from my smartphone

-----Original Message-----
From: gib at juno.com <gib at juno.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:47 PM
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: [mdlug] Big Blue Button config issue

Installed Big Blue Button on Ubuntu 10.10. Worked wen I had it as IP address in my 
segment.  Modified /etc/network/interfaces to my static IP. Now I get a 403 forbidden 
error from nginx.  I set up the worker process to run as root still same problem. 


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From mat.enders at gmail.com  Wed Mar 16 22:02:43 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 02:02:43 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] Big Blue Button config issue
In-Reply-To: <20110316.214729.9223.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20110316.214729.9223.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <75032918-1300327364-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1250512924-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

We had the same kind of issue when we moved the MDLUG server from Tony's test environment to the school. He had to edit quite a few config files by hand in order to get it back up. 
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
Sender: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 01:47:29 
To: <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] Big Blue Button config issue

Installed Big Blue Button on Ubuntu 10.10. Worked wen I had it as IP address in my 
segment.  Modified /etc/network/interfaces to my static IP. Now I get a 403 forbidden 
error from nginx.  I set up the worker process to run as root still same problem. 


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From danno at umich.edu  Wed Mar 16 23:22:53 2011
From: danno at umich.edu (Dan Pritts)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 23:22:53 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] some packages not updating
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikAGN102FTUpp4Dc6obfWgo-8mM-SXLPohk3RsP@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikAGN102FTUpp4Dc6obfWgo-8mM-SXLPohk3RsP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2DD30815-949C-4EE3-8C34-712B8DD5831E@umich.edu>

here are my notes on this:

you will probably run into this, it is a side effect of some changes at rpmforge.

to fix do this. it will remove the (newer, from rpmforge) perl-IO-Compress and replace it with the original RHEL perl-Compress-Zlib which is generally fine anyway.

rpm -e --nodeps perl-IO-Compress
yum install perl-Compress-Zlib


You probably will then want to use yum-priorities or protectbase to make sure rpmforge doesn't replace perl-compress-zlib again.


On Mar 15, 2011, at 3:27 PM, Mat Enders wrote:

> When I try yo update or upgrade with yum some packages are not updating:
> 
> [root at SHODAN ~]# yum update
> Loaded plugins: allowdowngrade, changelog, downloadonly, fastestmirror,
> priorities
> Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
> * addons: mirror.fdcservers.net
> * base: mirror.nuvio.com
> * centosplus: mirror.nexcess.net
> * contrib: yum.singlehop.com
> * extras: yum.singlehop.com
> * rpmforge: fr2.rpmfind.net
> * updates: mirror.nexcess.net
> Setting up Update Process
> Resolving Dependencies
> --> Running transaction check
> --> Processing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Bzip2) = 2.024 for package:
> perl-IO-Compress
> ---> Package perl-Compress-Raw-Bzip2.i386 0:2.033-1.el5.rf set to be updated
> --> Processing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Zlib) = 2.024 for package:
> perl-IO-Compress
> ---> Package perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib.i386 0:2.033-1.el5.rf set to be updated
> ---> Package tzdata.i386 0:2011b-1.el5 set to be updated
> --> Finished Dependency Resolution
> perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch from installed has depsolving
> problems
>  --> Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Bzip2) = 2.024 is needed by
> package perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch (installed)
> perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch from installed has depsolving
> problems
>  --> Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Zlib) = 2.024 is needed by
> package perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch (installed)
> Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Bzip2) = 2.024 is needed by
> package perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch (installed)
> Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Compress::Raw::Zlib) = 2.024 is needed by
> package perl-IO-Compress-2.024-1.el5.rf.noarch (installed)
> You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem
> You could try running: package-cleanup --problems
>                        package-cleanup --dupes
>                        rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest
> [root at SHODAN ~]#
> 
> I have tried all of the suggested fixes at the bottom of the error message.
> I get the same result whether I use the update or upgrade command.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -- 
> Mathew E. Enders
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From gib at juno.com  Thu Mar 17 07:04:26 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:04:26 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Big Blue Button config issue
Message-ID: <20110317.070426.26385.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>

That was it.  Thank you.

NOw testing on:
http://76.242.100.172/

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Big Blue Button config issue
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:35:18 -0400

The bbb config files need to be configured with the new ip address.  I believe the command is:
 sudu bbb-conf -c 

If that doesnt work then check the bbb wiki

Tony Bemus
Sent from my smartphone

-----Original Message-----
From: gib at juno.com <gib at juno.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:47 PM
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: [mdlug] Big Blue Button config issue

Installed Big Blue Button on Ubuntu 10.10. Worked wen I had it as IP address in my 
segment.  Modified /etc/network/interfaces to my static IP. Now I get a 403 forbidden 
error from nginx.  I set up the worker process to run as root still same problem. 


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From tony at bemushosting.com  Thu Mar 17 20:20:13 2011
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:20:13 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
Message-ID: <1300407613.2200.1.camel@tony-laptop>

Im at the Washlug meeting and streaming it on blue.mdlug.org demo
meeting.  Please join me!

Tony Bemus



From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Thu Mar 17 20:36:06 2011
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:36:06 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
In-Reply-To: <1300407613.2200.1.camel@tony-laptop>
References: <1300407613.2200.1.camel@tony-laptop>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikM=x_gjGyk8OE9Lz7DnU2H3M9E7Zk-ZuNqWM6w@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:
> Im at the Washlug meeting and streaming it on blue.mdlug.org demo
> meeting. ?Please join me!
>

Sound would be nice.


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Thu Mar 17 20:40:34 2011
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:40:34 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikM=x_gjGyk8OE9Lz7DnU2H3M9E7Zk-ZuNqWM6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1300407613.2200.1.camel@tony-laptop>
	<AANLkTikM=x_gjGyk8OE9Lz7DnU2H3M9E7Zk-ZuNqWM6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinb69vU9AmPP7fOUjZkEc9BNPLnyFGBexdSwUgm@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:
>> Im at the Washlug meeting and streaming it on blue.mdlug.org demo
>> meeting. ?Please join me!
>>
>
> Sound would be nice.
>

It works at the blue demo site but with your system it is intermittent.


From gib at juno.com  Fri Mar 18 07:01:53 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:01:53 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
Message-ID: <20110318.070153.2033.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>

We got some cool stuff going here.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com>
To: tony at bemushosting.com, "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:40:34 -0400

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:
>> Im at the Washlug meeting and streaming it on blue.mdlug.org demo
>> meeting. ??Please join me!
>>
>
> Sound would be nice.
>

It works at the blue demo site but with your system it is intermittent.
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From tony at bemushosting.com  Fri Mar 18 08:26:14 2011
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 08:26:14 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
In-Reply-To: <20110318.070153.2033.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20110318.070153.2033.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <1300451174.11485.3.camel@bemus-remote>

I agree!  Even though it very last minute we still had 4 people connect
in.  Jeff was the first to connect then we had Purple Bunny, and Carl
connect after that!

Tony Bemus

On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 11:01 +0000, gib at juno.com wrote:
> We got some cool stuff going here.
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com>
> To: tony at bemushosting.com, "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:40:34 -0400
> 
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:
> >> Im at the Washlug meeting and streaming it on blue.mdlug.org demo
> >> meeting. ? Please join me!
> >>
> >
> > Sound would be nice.
> >
> 
> It works at the blue demo site but with your system it is intermittent.
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From gib at juno.com  Fri Mar 18 08:47:50 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:47:50 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting - Purple Bunny on Big Blue
	Bu	tton
Message-ID: <20110318.084750.14964.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com>

Purple Bunny is now on my test Big Blue Button system.  This is the system that will be going to Penguicon.  Here is the link: http://76.242.100.172/

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 08:26:14 -0400

I agree!  Even though it very last minute we still had 4 people connect
in.  Jeff was the first to connect then we had Purple Bunny, and Carl
connect after that!

Tony Bemus

On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 11:01 +0000, gib at juno.com wrote:
> We got some cool stuff going here.
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com>
> To: tony at bemushosting.com, "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:40:34 -0400
> 
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:
> >> Im at the Washlug meeting and streaming it on blue.mdlug.org demo
> >> meeting. ? Please join me!
> >>
> >
> > Sound would be nice.
> >
> 
> It works at the blue demo site but with your system it is intermittent.
> _______________________________________________
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> mdlug at mdlug.org
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> 
> ____________________________________________________________
> Groupon&#8482 Official Site
> 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city&#39;s best!
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d833bc97855420c09cst02vuc


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From mat.enders at gmail.com  Fri Mar 18 08:38:36 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:38:36 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
In-Reply-To: <1300451174.11485.3.camel@bemus-remote>
References: <20110318.070153.2033.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com><1300451174.11485.3.camel@bemus-remote>
Message-ID: <1745232892-1300451917-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2078302326-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

How was the sound though it sounds from Jeff's post that it was intermittent at best.  
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
Sender: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 08:26:14 
To: <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting

I agree!  Even though it very last minute we still had 4 people connect
in.  Jeff was the first to connect then we had Purple Bunny, and Carl
connect after that!

Tony Bemus

On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 11:01 +0000, gib at juno.com wrote:
> We got some cool stuff going here.
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com>
> To: tony at bemushosting.com, "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:40:34 -0400
> 
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:
> >> Im at the Washlug meeting and streaming it on blue.mdlug.org demo
> >> meeting. ? Please join me!
> >>
> >
> > Sound would be nice.
> >
> 
> It works at the blue demo site but with your system it is intermittent.
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> 
> ____________________________________________________________
> Groupon&#8482 Official Site
> 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city&#39;s best!
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d833bc97855420c09cst02vuc


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From carl at carltm.com  Fri Mar 18 10:03:41 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:03:41 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
In-Reply-To: <1300451174.11485.3.camel@bemus-remote>
References: <20110318.070153.2033.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>
	<1300451174.11485.3.camel@bemus-remote>
Message-ID: <b403dfe0fb3c4549d721eefdaebe570a.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Yes, my only suggesstion is to have a good mic and
maybe mute everyone except the presenter.  I only
listened for a few minutes and I could make out most
of what was being said even though there was a lot
of background noise.

I will say that it is pretty cool.  I was disappointed
that I couldn't attend the meeting, but at least I
was able to catch part of the presentation.

c


Tony Bemus wrote:
> I agree!  Even though it very last minute we still had 4 people connect
> in.  Jeff was the first to connect then we had Purple Bunny, and Carl
> connect after that!
>
> Tony Bemus
>
> On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 11:01 +0000, gib at juno.com wrote:
>> We got some cool stuff going here.
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com>
>> To: tony at bemushosting.com, "MDLUG's Main discussion list"
>> <mdlug at mdlug.org>
>> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
>> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:40:34 -0400
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> Im at the Washlug meeting and streaming it on blue.mdlug.org demo
>> >> meeting. ?? Please join me!
>> >>
>> >
>> > Sound would be nice.
>> >
>>
>> It works at the blue demo site but with your system it is intermittent.
>> _______________________________________________
>> mdlug mailing list
>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> Groupon&#8482 Official Site
>> 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city&#39;s best!
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d833bc97855420c09cst02vuc
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug




From gib at juno.com  Fri Mar 18 12:28:39 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:28:39 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
Message-ID: <20110318.122839.21165.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com>

The main speaker was clear.  Sometimes it dropped out or fuzzed.  Other voices were good or bad based on the distance I think.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: mat.enders at gmail.com
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:38:36 +0000

How was the sound though it sounds from Jeff's post that it was intermittent at best.  
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
Sender: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 08:26:14 
To: <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting

I agree!  Even though it very last minute we still had 4 people connect
in.  Jeff was the first to connect then we had Purple Bunny, and Carl
connect after that!

Tony Bemus

On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 11:01 +0000, gib at juno.com wrote:
> We got some cool stuff going here.
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com>
> To: tony at bemushosting.com, "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:40:34 -0400
> 
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:
> >> Im at the Washlug meeting and streaming it on blue.mdlug.org demo
> >> meeting. ? Please join me!
> >>
> >
> > Sound would be nice.
> >
> 
> It works at the blue demo site but with your system it is intermittent.
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> 
> ____________________________________________________________
> Groupon&#8482 Official Site
> 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city&#39;s best!
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d833bc97855420c09cst02vuc


_______________________________________________
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From gib at juno.com  Fri Mar 18 12:30:21 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:30:21 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
Message-ID: <20110318.123021.21165.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com>

Yeah, this is cool.  We can attend meetings that otherwise we'd miss.  

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Carl T. Miller" <carl at carltm.com>
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:03:41 -0400

Yes, my only suggesstion is to have a good mic and
maybe mute everyone except the presenter.  I only
listened for a few minutes and I could make out most
of what was being said even though there was a lot
of background noise.

I will say that it is pretty cool.  I was disappointed
that I couldn't attend the meeting, but at least I
was able to catch part of the presentation.

c


Tony Bemus wrote:
> I agree!  Even though it very last minute we still had 4 people connect
> in.  Jeff was the first to connect then we had Purple Bunny, and Carl
> connect after that!
>
> Tony Bemus
>
> On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 11:01 +0000, gib at juno.com wrote:
>> We got some cool stuff going here.
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com>
>> To: tony at bemushosting.com, "MDLUG's Main discussion list"
>> <mdlug at mdlug.org>
>> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
>> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:40:34 -0400
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> Im at the Washlug meeting and streaming it on blue.mdlug.org demo
>> >> meeting. ? Please join me!
>> >>
>> >
>> > Sound would be nice.
>> >
>>
>> It works at the blue demo site but with your system it is intermittent.
>> _______________________________________________
>> mdlug mailing list
>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> Groupon&#8482 Official Site
>> 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city&#39;s best!
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d833bc97855420c09cst02vuc
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
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From teacher1st at bellsouth.net  Fri Mar 18 02:19:03 2011
From: teacher1st at bellsouth.net (teacher1st)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 02:19:03 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting; FM mike; Smoothboard
In-Reply-To: <20110318.123021.21165.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20110318.123021.21165.1@webmail04.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4D82F957.9050906@bellsouth.net>

Hi,

Very nice piece of software.  Thanks for the work putting this together 
for remote attendees.

With a similar software, Openmeeting 
[http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/], an FM mike really helped when 
walking around.
Needed to remember to repeat questions / comments from the audience.

I used it with Smoothboard [software from www.smoothboard.org or java 
version from http://www.uweschmidt.org/wiimote-whiteboard ]
Inexpensive if you can borrow some kid's WiiRemote.  Made a pointer from 
Raid Shack purchased led, battery holder and surplus momentary switch.

See you all in person November when I relocate to Warren, MI.  Will be 
able to attend meeting remotely in meanwhile.

later,

jim

On 3/18/2011 12:30 PM, gib at juno.com wrote:
> Yeah, this is cool.  We can attend meetings that otherwise we'd miss.
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "Carl T. Miller"<carl at carltm.com>
> To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list"<mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:03:41 -0400
>
> Yes, my only suggesstion is to have a good mic and
> maybe mute everyone except the presenter.  I only
> listened for a few minutes and I could make out most
> of what was being said even though there was a lot
> of background noise.
>
> I will say that it is pretty cool.  I was disappointed
> that I couldn't attend the meeting, but at least I
> was able to catch part of the presentation.
>
> c
>
> ============================  snip ========================================



From mat.enders at gmail.com  Fri Mar 18 16:01:33 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:01:33 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
Message-ID: <1414247983-1300478497-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1148511108-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Hello all,

          I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a server where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do they live in the document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1, /var/www/site2?

Thanks,
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From tony at bemushosting.com  Fri Mar 18 16:10:09 2011
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:10:09 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
Message-ID: <0MCKpF-1Q9ASL3qpF-008rv2@mrelay.perfora.net>

The DB is held in the mysql structor(where ever that is).  The only time it is in the same folder as the website is when you are using a flat file, or some other special config.  
If you are looking to do backups or export/import you will need to do that from mysql/mysqladmin(sp)/webmin. 

Tony Bemus
Sent from my smartphone

-----Original Message-----
From: mat.enders at gmail.com
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 4:01 PM
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question

Hello all,

          I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a server where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do they live in the document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1, /var/www/site2?

Thanks,
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
_______________________________________________
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From mat.enders at gmail.com  Fri Mar 18 16:15:23 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:15:23 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
Message-ID: <1476755127-1300479324-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1077044082-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

What if you want the database(s) for each web site to live in the document root with all of the other data for that web site?  Is there anything wrong with that?
------Original Message------
From: Mark Stanislav
To: Mat Enders
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MYSQL question
Sent: Mar 18, 2011 4:04 PM

Likely /var/lib/mysql/<database name> depending on distro & configuration.

There's no direct filesystem coupling of web sites and databases as they are separate services within their own hierarchical structure. 

-Mark

On Mar 18, 2011, at 4:01 PM, mat.enders at gmail.com wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
>          I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a server where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do they live in the document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1, /var/www/site2?
> 
> Thanks,
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>_______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From mark.stanislav at gmail.com  Fri Mar 18 16:19:10 2011
From: mark.stanislav at gmail.com (Mark Stanislav)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:19:10 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
In-Reply-To: <1476755127-1300479324-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1077044082-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1476755127-1300479324-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1077044082-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <2C6CC396-7938-41E2-A743-ECACA7CE77AC@gmail.com>

If you do that, you likely need to create a symlink back to your MySQL 'datadir' so it doesn't get upset. Not sure how/if you can arbitrarily place databases on the filesystem and have MySQL know about them in disparate places.

-Mark

On Mar 18, 2011, at 4:15 PM, mat.enders at gmail.com wrote:

> What if you want the database(s) for each web site to live in the document root with all of the other data for that web site?  Is there anything wrong with that?
> ------Original Message------
> From: Mark Stanislav
> To: Mat Enders
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] MYSQL question
> Sent: Mar 18, 2011 4:04 PM
> 
> Likely /var/lib/mysql/<database name> depending on distro & configuration.
> 
> There's no direct filesystem coupling of web sites and databases as they are separate services within their own hierarchical structure. 
> 
> -Mark
> 
> On Mar 18, 2011, at 4:01 PM, mat.enders at gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>>         I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a server where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do they live in the document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1, /var/www/site2?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>> _______________________________________________
>> mdlug mailing list
>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> 
> 
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?



From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 18 16:21:20 2011
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:21:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
In-Reply-To: <1414247983-1300478497-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1148511108-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1414247983-1300478497-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1148511108-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <101356.75430.qm@web37907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

You would have one server. But different Data bases:

\\www\site1 --> site1 

\\www\site2 --> site2 



<?php

$link = mysql_connect('localhost', 'mysql_user', 'mysql_password');
if (!$link) {
    die('Not connected : ' . mysql_error());
}

// make foo the current db
$db_selected = mysql_select_db('Site1', $link);
if (!$db_selected) {
    die ('Can\'t use foo : ' . mysql_error());
}
?>  

So your scripts for site1 will use "site1" for the database selection at connect
on your second site use "site2".

Some admins would like even to give different login's for the different sites to 
keep things separate.

David 



________________________________
From: "mat.enders at gmail.com" <mat.enders at gmail.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 4:01:33 PM
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question

Hello all,

          I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a server 
where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do they live in the 
document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1, /var/www/site2?

Thanks,
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
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From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 18 16:22:51 2011
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:22:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
In-Reply-To: <1414247983-1300478497-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1148511108-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1414247983-1300478497-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1148511108-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <976915.4906.qm@web37903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

what scripting are you using?




________________________________
From: "mat.enders at gmail.com" <mat.enders at gmail.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 4:01:33 PM
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question

Hello all,

          I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a server 
where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do they live in the 
document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1, /var/www/site2?

Thanks,
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
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From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Fri Mar 18 16:32:10 2011
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:32:10 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
In-Reply-To: <1476755127-1300479324-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1077044082-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <C9A9395D.4CE7%gregwojtak@quickenloans.com>

May I ask *why* you would want to do this?  It is generally not a good
practice, as anything under your DocumentRoot technically becomes fair
game to be served up by the web server.



On 2011-03-18 4:15 PM, "mat.enders at gmail.com" <mat.enders at gmail.com> wrote:

>What if you want the database(s) for each web site to live in the
>document root with all of the other data for that web site?  Is there
>anything wrong with that?
>------Original Message------
>From: Mark Stanislav
>To: Mat Enders
>To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
>Subject: Re: [mdlug] MYSQL question
>Sent: Mar 18, 2011 4:04 PM
>
>Likely /var/lib/mysql/<database name> depending on distro & configuration.
>
>There's no direct filesystem coupling of web sites and databases as they
>are separate services within their own hierarchical structure.
>
>-Mark
>
>On Mar 18, 2011, at 4:01 PM, mat.enders at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> 
>>          I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a
>>server where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do
>>they live in the document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1,
>>/var/www/site2?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>>_______________________________________________
>> mdlug mailing list
>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>
>
>Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
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>mdlug at mdlug.org
>http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From tony at bemushosting.com  Fri Mar 18 16:34:25 2011
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:34:25 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
In-Reply-To: <976915.4906.qm@web37903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1414247983-1300478497-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1148511108-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<976915.4906.qm@web37903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1300480465.11485.6.camel@bemus-remote>

Check this out.  I googled for "move the file location in mysql"

http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/servers/54215-moving-mysql-datafile-another-location.html

Tony Bemus

On Fri, 2011-03-18 at 13:22 -0700, David Lane wrote:
> what scripting are you using?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: "mat.enders at gmail.com" <mat.enders at gmail.com>
> To: mdlug at mdlug.org
> Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 4:01:33 PM
> Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
> 
> Hello all,
> 
>           I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a server 
> where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do they live in the 
> document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1, /var/www/site2?
> 
> Thanks,
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> 
> 
> 
>       
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug




From mat.enders at gmail.com  Fri Mar 18 16:36:21 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:36:21 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
In-Reply-To: <976915.4906.qm@web37903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1414247983-1300478497-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1148511108-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><976915.4906.qm@web37903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1278728022-1300480582-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2034746307-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

One of the sites is going to be a moodle site so it will have to have PHP installed. 
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: David Lane <dcl400m at yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:22:51 
To: <mat.enders at gmail.com>; MDLUG's Main discussion list<mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MYSQL question

what scripting are you using?




________________________________
From: "mat.enders at gmail.com" <mat.enders at gmail.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 4:01:33 PM
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question

Hello all,

          I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a server 
where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do they live in the 
document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1, /var/www/site2?

Thanks,
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug





From mat.enders at gmail.com  Fri Mar 18 16:39:23 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:39:23 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
In-Reply-To: <C9A9395D.4CE7%gregwojtak@quickenloans.com>
References: <1476755127-1300479324-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1077044082-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><C9A9395D.4CE7%gregwojtak@quickenloans.com>
Message-ID: <1565520445-1300480764-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1727592526-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

It is a entirely a question of space. I have separate drives for each site with a fairly small root drive. 
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: "Wojtak, Greg" <GregWojtak at quickenloans.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:32:10 
To: mat.enders at gmail.com<mat.enders at gmail.com>; MDLUG's Main discussionlist<mdlug at mdlug.org>; Mark Stanislav<mark.stanislav at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MYSQL question

May I ask *why* you would want to do this?  It is generally not a good
practice, as anything under your DocumentRoot technically becomes fair
game to be served up by the web server.



On 2011-03-18 4:15 PM, "mat.enders at gmail.com" <mat.enders at gmail.com> wrote:

>What if you want the database(s) for each web site to live in the
>document root with all of the other data for that web site?  Is there
>anything wrong with that?
>------Original Message------
>From: Mark Stanislav
>To: Mat Enders
>To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
>Subject: Re: [mdlug] MYSQL question
>Sent: Mar 18, 2011 4:04 PM
>
>Likely /var/lib/mysql/<database name> depending on distro & configuration.
>
>There's no direct filesystem coupling of web sites and databases as they
>are separate services within their own hierarchical structure.
>
>-Mark
>
>On Mar 18, 2011, at 4:01 PM, mat.enders at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> 
>>          I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a
>>server where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do
>>they live in the document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1,
>>/var/www/site2?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>>_______________________________________________
>> mdlug mailing list
>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>
>
>Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>_______________________________________________
>mdlug mailing list
>mdlug at mdlug.org
>http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


From mark.stanislav at gmail.com  Fri Mar 18 16:04:38 2011
From: mark.stanislav at gmail.com (Mark Stanislav)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:04:38 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
In-Reply-To: <1414247983-1300478497-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1148511108-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1414247983-1300478497-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1148511108-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <54C8D2C2-FB00-4C27-AF64-4D14756FD094@gmail.com>

Likely /var/lib/mysql/<database name> depending on distro & configuration.

There's no direct filesystem coupling of web sites and databases as they are separate services within their own hierarchical structure. 

-Mark

On Mar 18, 2011, at 4:01 PM, mat.enders at gmail.com wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
>          I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a server where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do they live in the document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1, /var/www/site2?
> 
> Thanks,
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From brianbrodsky at ameritech.net  Fri Mar 18 17:09:10 2011
From: brianbrodsky at ameritech.net (Brian Brodsky)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:09:10 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
In-Reply-To: <1565520445-1300480764-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1727592526-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1476755127-1300479324-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1077044082-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><C9A9395D.4CE7%gregwojtak@quickenloans.com>
	<1565520445-1300480764-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1727592526-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <4D83C9F6.4030407@ameritech.net>

I suggest you have another drive that holds your databases. If you are 
using myisam you could point the database directories as symbolic links 
to each individual drive (I would NOT put in web directory). If your are 
using innodb the entire thing is in one workspace.

On 3/18/2011 4:39 PM, mat.enders at gmail.com wrote:
> It is a entirely a question of space. I have separate drives for each site with a fairly small root drive.
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Wojtak, Greg"<GregWojtak at quickenloans.com>
> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:32:10
> To: mat.enders at gmail.com<mat.enders at gmail.com>; MDLUG's Main discussionlist<mdlug at mdlug.org>; Mark Stanislav<mark.stanislav at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] MYSQL question
>
> May I ask *why* you would want to do this?  It is generally not a good
> practice, as anything under your DocumentRoot technically becomes fair
> game to be served up by the web server.
>
>
>
> On 2011-03-18 4:15 PM, "mat.enders at gmail.com"<mat.enders at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> What if you want the database(s) for each web site to live in the
>> document root with all of the other data for that web site?  Is there
>> anything wrong with that?
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Mark Stanislav
>> To: Mat Enders
>> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [mdlug] MYSQL question
>> Sent: Mar 18, 2011 4:04 PM
>>
>> Likely /var/lib/mysql/<database name>  depending on distro&  configuration.
>>
>> There's no direct filesystem coupling of web sites and databases as they
>> are separate services within their own hierarchical structure.
>>
>> -Mark
>>
>> On Mar 18, 2011, at 4:01 PM, mat.enders at gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>>           I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a
>>> server where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do
>>> they live in the document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1,
>>> /var/www/site2?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> mdlug mailing list
>>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>>
>> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>> _______________________________________________
>> mdlug mailing list
>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>


From mat.enders at gmail.com  Fri Mar 18 17:19:26 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:19:26 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
In-Reply-To: <1414247983-1300478497-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1033230963-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1414247983-1300478497-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1033230963-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <979016901-1300483167-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1698417834-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Thanks all for the advice I believe I am going to go with Brian's suggestion and install another drive to use for the databases.  
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: mat.enders at gmail.com
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:01:33 
To: <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: mat.enders at gmail.com
Subject: MYSQL question

Hello all,

          I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a server where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do they live in the document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1, /var/www/site2?

Thanks,
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From gib at juno.com  Sat Mar 19 00:05:55 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 04:05:55 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] MYSQL question
Message-ID: <20110319.000555.12408.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>

A dozen email notes in just over an hour.  Maybe we have enough interest in this to cover it a bit in a meeting.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: mat.enders at gmail.com
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MYSQL question
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:19:26 +0000

Thanks all for the advice I believe I am going to go with Brian's suggestion and install another drive to use for the databases.  
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: mat.enders at gmail.com
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:01:33 
To: <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: mat.enders at gmail.com
Subject: MYSQL question

Hello all,

          I have a quick question. If you have multiple web sites on a server where do the database(s) associated with those sites live?  Do they live in the document root for each web site e.g. /var/www/site1, /var/www/site2?

Thanks,
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug

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From mat.enders at gmail.com  Sat Mar 19 13:14:13 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:14:13 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] Debian install issue
Message-ID: <523458041-1300554853-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-96196926-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Hello all,

       I am attempting an install of Debian Squeeze. I have previously installed Ubuntu Server on this machine. During that install I had to boot the machine with the nomodeset boot parameter. Now with Debian that boot parameter does not work. Other boot parameters I have tried all to no avail are vga=normal fb=false vga=771 noapic noalpic. The graphics card is a Nvidia Gforce 3 with 128MB of ram. Various combinations of the above leave the machine hung with either a black screen or with selection screen still displayed. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. 

Thanks,
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From carl at carltm.com  Sat Mar 19 15:01:55 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 15:01:55 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Debian install issue
In-Reply-To: <523458041-1300554853-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-96196926-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <523458041-1300554853-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-96196926-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <d1ea369ba273f1d6dee774df1a93b787.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

mat.enders at gmail.com wrote:
>        I am attempting an install of Debian Squeeze. I have previously
> installed Ubuntu Server on this machine. During that install I had
> to boot the machine with the nomodeset boot parameter. Now with
> Debian that boot parameter does not work. Other boot parameters I
> have tried all to no avail are vga=normal fb=false vga=771 noapic
> noalpic. The graphics card is a Nvidia Gforce 3 with 128MB of ram.
> Various combinations of the above leave the machine hung with
> either a black screen or with selection screen still displayed. Any
> suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Mat, does your boot media contain the proprietary drivers?
I do netboot installations, and there are two versions of
the netboot cd.  It could be that you need the proprietary
drivers.

c




From carl at carltm.com  Sat Mar 19 15:08:20 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 15:08:20 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Debian install issue
In-Reply-To: <523458041-1300554853-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-96196926-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <523458041-1300554853-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-96196926-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <a055b9bac6468078b3dfd830bd9fae63.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

mat.enders at gmail.com wrote:
> installed Ubuntu Server on this machine. During that install I had
> to boot the machine with the nomodeset boot parameter. Now with
> Debian that boot parameter does not work. Other boot parameters I
> have tried all to no avail are vga=normal fb=false vga=771 noapic
> noalpic. The graphics card is a Nvidia Gforce 3 with 128MB of ram.


I seem to recall that at boot time you could press the F2 and
F3 keys to find various boot options.  Is that available with
squeeze?

c




From mat.enders at gmail.com  Sat Mar 19 15:12:42 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 19:12:42 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] Debian install issue
Message-ID: <827130792-1300561962-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-632992812-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Yes I have tried numerous boot parameter combinations all to no avail. I am thinking of trying one of the full install cd's instead. Do you think it may have more drivers on it?   Do you think part of the problem maybe that Debian now ships a completely free kernel with no binary blobs?
------Original Message------
From: Carl T. Miller
To: Mat Enders
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Debian install issue
Sent: Mar 19, 2011 3:08 PM

mat.enders at gmail.com wrote:
> installed Ubuntu Server on this machine. During that install I had
> to boot the machine with the nomodeset boot parameter. Now with
> Debian that boot parameter does not work. Other boot parameters I
> have tried all to no avail are vga=normal fb=false vga=771 noapic
> noalpic. The graphics card is a Nvidia Gforce 3 with 128MB of ram.


I seem to recall that at boot time you could press the F2 and
F3 keys to find various boot options.  Is that available with
squeeze?

c



Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From mat.enders at gmail.com  Sat Mar 19 16:24:32 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:24:32 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] Debian install issue
In-Reply-To: <523458041-1300554853-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1230745343-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <523458041-1300554853-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1230745343-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <1294288071-1300566273-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1911010426-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Well I have gotten it to start to boot it now hangs at:
ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: irq 23, io mem 0xdfffbc00

It has four lines above it that have the first 22 characters in common and talks about usb. I think it might be the kvm switch that is screwing me. I am going to try taking the kvm switch out of the mix and see. 
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: mat.enders at gmail.com
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:14:13 
To: <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: mat.enders at gmail.com
Subject: Debian install issue

Hello all,

       I am attempting an install of Debian Squeeze. I have previously installed Ubuntu Server on this machine. During that install I had to boot the machine with the nomodeset boot parameter. Now with Debian that boot parameter does not work. Other boot parameters I have tried all to no avail are vga=normal fb=false vga=771 noapic noalpic. The graphics card is a Nvidia Gforce 3 with 128MB of ram. Various combinations of the above leave the machine hung with either a black screen or with selection screen still displayed. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. 

Thanks,
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From mat.enders at gmail.com  Sat Mar 19 16:51:29 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:51:29 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] Debian install issue
In-Reply-To: <523458041-1300554853-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1230745343-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <523458041-1300554853-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1230745343-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <570357774-1300567890-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1899180272-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

That freaking kvm switch that wreaks havoc with dmesg on my other systems was the culprit. Installation is in progress. 
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: mat.enders at gmail.com
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:14:13 
To: <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: mat.enders at gmail.com
Subject: Debian install issue

Hello all,

       I am attempting an install of Debian Squeeze. I have previously installed Ubuntu Server on this machine. During that install I had to boot the machine with the nomodeset boot parameter. Now with Debian that boot parameter does not work. Other boot parameters I have tried all to no avail are vga=normal fb=false vga=771 noapic noalpic. The graphics card is a Nvidia Gforce 3 with 128MB of ram. Various combinations of the above leave the machine hung with either a black screen or with selection screen still displayed. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. 

Thanks,
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From mat.enders at gmail.com  Sat Mar 19 21:20:27 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 01:20:27 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] Debian install update 2
Message-ID: <254290850-1300584027-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1773081082-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

It all works now had to disable legacy usb support in the bios. 
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From gib at juno.com  Sat Mar 19 21:38:03 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 01:38:03 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + multiple
Message-ID: <20110319.213803.147.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>

So, can we set up multiple rooms or chats for the same time?  I'm thinking ahead to Penguicon but any event may use more than one chat room.

Please note: message attached

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To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Cc: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:30:21 GMT


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From tony at bemushosting.com  Sat Mar 19 21:53:25 2011
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 21:53:25 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + multiple
Message-ID: <0M1nLW-1PmKq60JIY-00t4HK@mrelay.perfora.net>

Yes, im working on getting it working through a cms.  We dont have to have a cms, we can use the sample api and have multiple meeting rooms. Its just not as easy or appearent to the visiter.  
  I need to look into how to enable php on nginex, anyone have any ideas? 
Tony Bemus
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-----Original Message-----
From: gib at juno.com <gib at juno.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 9:38 PM
To: gib at juno.com
Cc: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + multiple

So, can we set up multiple rooms or chats for the same time?  I'm thinking ahead to Penguicon but any event may use more than one chat room.

Please note: message attached

From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Cc: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + Washlug Meeting
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:30:21 GMT


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From mat.enders at gmail.com  Sat Mar 19 21:59:56 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (Mat Enders)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 21:59:56 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + multiple
In-Reply-To: <0M1nLW-1PmKq60JIY-00t4HK@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <0M1nLW-1PmKq60JIY-00t4HK@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinmH2x8jxhoq9OE5nniwF_fbgCbr4jcp__swM3w@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:

> Yes, im working on getting it working through a cms.  We dont have to have
> a cms, we can use the sample api and have multiple meeting rooms. Its just
> not as easy or appearent to the visiter.
>  I need to look into how to enable php on nginex, anyone have any ideas?
> Tony Bemus
> Sent from my smartphone
>
>
Have a look here:

http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-php-5.3-nginx-and-php-fpm-on-ubuntu-debian

-- 
Mathew E. Enders


From gib at juno.com  Sun Mar 20 13:17:22 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:17:22 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Message-ID: <20110320.131722.29182.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com>

I have the Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue

http://blue.mdlug.org

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From rjclay at gmail.com  Sun Mar 20 13:56:48 2011
From: rjclay at gmail.com (Robert J. Clay)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 13:56:48 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
In-Reply-To: <20110320.131722.29182.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20110320.131722.29182.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com>
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On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:17 PM, gib at juno.com <gib at juno.com> wrote:
> I have the Penguicon planning meeting now live on
> blue http://blue.mdlug.org

   I'm getting the video;  should there be sound?


-- 
Robert J. Clay
rjclay at gmail.com


From mat.enders at gmail.com  Sun Mar 20 13:59:15 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:59:15 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=WYuUS4NW1cQvFE57jGsVMcfWMVK8Et1n-rsQ4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20110320.131722.29182.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com><AANLkTi=WYuUS4NW1cQvFE57jGsVMcfWMVK8Et1n-rsQ4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1587538679-1300643955-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-916674658-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

You have to click the button on the upper left to share you mic in order to also receive sound. 
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: "Robert J. Clay" <rjclay at gmail.com>
Sender: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 13:56:48 
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list<mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:17 PM, gib at juno.com <gib at juno.com> wrote:
> I have the Penguicon planning meeting now live on
> blue http://blue.mdlug.org

   I'm getting the video;  should there be sound?


-- 
Robert J. Clay
rjclay at gmail.com
_______________________________________________
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From gib at juno.com  Sun Mar 20 14:07:12 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:07:12 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Message-ID: <20110320.140712.28662.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>


I'm trying to send sound now.  

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Robert J. Clay" <rjclay at gmail.com>
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 13:56:48 -0400

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:17 PM, gib at juno.com <gib at juno.com> wrote:
> I have the Penguicon planning meeting now live on
> blue http://blue.mdlug.org

   I'm getting the video;  should there be sound?


-- 
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rjclay at gmail.com
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From gib at juno.com  Sun Mar 20 14:08:04 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:08:04 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Message-ID: <20110320.140804.28662.1@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>

Okay, sorry.  I didn't see anybody on yet.  So, I just id the sound.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: mat.enders at gmail.com
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:59:15 +0000

You have to click the button on the upper left to share you mic in order to also receive sound. 
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: "Robert J. Clay" <rjclay at gmail.com>
Sender: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 13:56:48 
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list<mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:17 PM, gib at juno.com <gib at juno.com> wrote:
> I have the Penguicon planning meeting now live on
> blue http://blue.mdlug.org

   I'm getting the video;  should there be sound?


-- 
Robert J. Clay
rjclay at gmail.com
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From rjclay at gmail.com  Sun Mar 20 14:19:25 2011
From: rjclay at gmail.com (Robert J. Clay)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:19:25 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
In-Reply-To: <1587538679-1300643955-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-916674658-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <20110320.131722.29182.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com>
	<AANLkTi=WYuUS4NW1cQvFE57jGsVMcfWMVK8Et1n-rsQ4@mail.gmail.com>
	<1587538679-1300643955-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-916674658-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin2eLywrGAMzBxOu2VhF2JcXhmJGF4uGOndm8nE@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:59 PM,  <mat.enders at gmail.com> wrote:
> You have to click the button on the upper left to share you mic in order to also
> receive sound.

    Ah, I see it.   Is there a way to just listen in, though?  I'm
working on some things; just wanted to monitor what was going on, not
join in altogether...

-- 
Robert J. Clay
rjclay at gmail.com


From mat.enders at gmail.com  Sun Mar 20 14:21:09 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:21:09 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Message-ID: <93041323-1300645269-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1292845794-@bda803.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

You can then mute your mic in the listeners list. 
------Original Message------
From: Robert J. Clay
To: Mat Enders
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Sent: Mar 20, 2011 2:19 PM

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:59 PM,  <mat.enders at gmail.com> wrote:
> You have to click the button on the upper left to share you mic in order to also
> receive sound.

    Ah, I see it.   Is there a way to just listen in, though?  I'm
working on some things; just wanted to monitor what was going on, not
join in altogether...

-- 
Robert J. Clay
rjclay at gmail.com

Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From gib at juno.com  Sun Mar 20 14:24:09 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:24:09 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Message-ID: <20110320.142409.28662.2@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>

I shared the mic.  Don't know what else to do.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Robert J. Clay" <rjclay at gmail.com>
To: mat.enders at gmail.com, "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:19:25 -0400

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:59 PM,  <mat.enders at gmail.com> wrote:
> You have to click the button on the upper left to share you mic in order to also
> receive sound.

    Ah, I see it.   Is there a way to just listen in, though?  I'm
working on some things; just wanted to monitor what was going on, not
join in altogether...

-- 
Robert J. Clay
rjclay at gmail.com
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From gib at juno.com  Sun Mar 20 14:27:45 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:27:45 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Message-ID: <20110320.142745.28662.3@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>

Okay. Does it work now?

---------- Original Message ----------
From: mat.enders at gmail.com
To: "Robert J. Clay" <rjclay at gmail.com>, "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:21:09 +0000

You can then mute your mic in the listeners list. 
------Original Message------
From: Robert J. Clay
To: Mat Enders
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Sent: Mar 20, 2011 2:19 PM

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:59 PM,  <mat.enders at gmail.com> wrote:
> You have to click the button on the upper left to share you mic in order to also
> receive sound.

    Ah, I see it.   Is there a way to just listen in, though?  I'm
working on some things; just wanted to monitor what was going on, not
join in altogether...

-- 
Robert J. Clay
rjclay at gmail.com

Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
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From newmaniese at gmail.com  Sun Mar 20 14:24:02 2011
From: newmaniese at gmail.com (Michael)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:24:02 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Blue.mdlug.org + multiple
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinmH2x8jxhoq9OE5nniwF_fbgCbr4jcp__swM3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0M1nLW-1PmKq60JIY-00t4HK@mrelay.perfora.net>
	<AANLkTinmH2x8jxhoq9OE5nniwF_fbgCbr4jcp__swM3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimVQXUhUTA8zr65GX8pvYBiXEJXA00E8X6nno2F@mail.gmail.com>

>
>
> Have a look here:
>
>
> http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-php-5.3-nginx-and-php-fpm-on-ubuntu-debian
>
> --

Just an FYI as someone who uses Nginx regularly, the above tutorial will not
scale well (if it works at all, look at the comments). Use Nginx as a proxy
to another webserver (I recommend Apache for PHP, there is still nothing
better) that generates dynamic content, that will work/scale much better.


From brianbrodsky at ameritech.net  Sun Mar 20 14:36:50 2011
From: brianbrodsky at ameritech.net (Brian Brodsky)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:36:50 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
In-Reply-To: <20110320.142745.28662.3@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20110320.142745.28662.3@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4D864942.3060907@ameritech.net>

I am still not getting sound.

On 3/20/2011 2:27 PM, gib at juno.com wrote:
> Okay. Does it work now?
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: mat.enders at gmail.com
> To: "Robert J. Clay"<rjclay at gmail.com>, "MDLUG's Main discussion list"<mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:21:09 +0000
>
> You can then mute your mic in the listeners list.
> ------Original Message------
> From: Robert J. Clay
> To: Mat Enders
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
> Sent: Mar 20, 2011 2:19 PM
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:59 PM,<mat.enders at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> You have to click the button on the upper left to share you mic in order to also
>> receive sound.
>      Ah, I see it.   Is there a way to just listen in, though?  I'm
> working on some things; just wanted to monitor what was going on, not
> join in altogether...
>


From rjclay at gmail.com  Sun Mar 20 14:50:46 2011
From: rjclay at gmail.com (Robert J. Clay)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:50:46 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
In-Reply-To: <4D864942.3060907@ameritech.net>
References: <20110320.142745.28662.3@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>
	<4D864942.3060907@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Gntq5Ywx8nJiCWGSE1TbExGUs8hvgXyc_Kr9+@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Brian Brodsky
<brianbrodsky at ameritech.net> wrote:
> I am still not getting sound.

     And I'm back to not getting sound...   No response in chat, but
glb may not be monitoring that...


-- 
Robert J. Clay
rjclay at gmail.com


From gib at juno.com  Sun Mar 20 14:55:22 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:55:22 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Message-ID: <20110320.145522.28662.4@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>

Reconfigured mic selection.  How does it now.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Robert J. Clay" <rjclay at gmail.com>
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:50:46 -0400

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Brian Brodsky
<brianbrodsky at ameritech.net> wrote:
> I am still not getting sound.

     And I'm back to not getting sound...   No response in chat, but
glb may not be monitoring that...


-- 
Robert J. Clay
rjclay at gmail.com
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
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From brianbrodsky at ameritech.net  Sun Mar 20 15:02:33 2011
From: brianbrodsky at ameritech.net (Brian Brodsky)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:02:33 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
In-Reply-To: <20110320.145522.28662.4@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20110320.145522.28662.4@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4D864F49.9000704@ameritech.net>

Still no sound.

On 3/20/2011 2:55 PM, gib at juno.com wrote:
> Reconfigured mic selection.  How does it now.
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "Robert J. Clay"<rjclay at gmail.com>
> To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list"<mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:50:46 -0400
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Brian Brodsky
> <brianbrodsky at ameritech.net>  wrote:
>> I am still not getting sound.
>       And I'm back to not getting sound...   No response in chat, but
> glb may not be monitoring that...
>
>


From gib at juno.com  Sun Mar 20 15:26:12 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 19:26:12 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Message-ID: <20110320.152612.28662.6@webmail19.vgs.untd.com>

Sorry. I think this meeting is about to end.  

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Brian Brodsky <brianbrodsky at ameritech.net>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:02:33 -0400

Still no sound.

On 3/20/2011 2:55 PM, gib at juno.com wrote:
> Reconfigured mic selection.  How does it now.
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "Robert J. Clay"<rjclay at gmail.com>
> To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list"<mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Penguicon planning meeting now live on blue
> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:50:46 -0400
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Brian Brodsky
> <brianbrodsky at ameritech.net>  wrote:
>> I am still not getting sound.
>       And I'm back to not getting sound...   No response in chat, but
> glb may not be monitoring that...
>
>
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From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 21 23:01:02 2011
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 23:01:02 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Message-ID: <AANLkTinwpTKqVfAWmLQ4MeX=E_jzv3k-maOME_GBzsZq@mail.gmail.com>

Slipped through the cracks, somehow... sorry about that.

SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting announcement

The March 2011 SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting will be:
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
from 6:45 to 8:45 p.m.
Location: "Motor City Free Geek" facility
1511 Jarvis St.
Ferndale MI  48220

The meeting topic will be:
"Bridging a Digital Divide"
Michael Rudas will talk about cross-platform software (including
work-alikes) between Windows and Linux, with useful suggestions.
The facility is located east of Hilton (between Hilton and John R).
The new location is just north of the previous SIG-Linux meeting
location at the i3Detroit hackerspace.

Directions from the north:
Wanda Street runs south from 9 Mile Road.  Go south on Wanda from the
traffic light at 9 Mile Rd. The building is on the northwest corner of
Wanda and Jarvis (it's the first traffic light south of 9 Mile).
Directions from the south (a bit trickier, due to the railroad tracks
and divided highway):
Take 8 Mile Road.  From the west: Take the first turn-around east of
the railroad overpass.  From the east: turn right on West End Street
(last turn-off before the railroad overpass).  Take any subsequent
left--they all end at Wanda.  Turn right and go north to Jarvis.

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
 ? My Linux blog: SIG-Linux.blogspot.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey


From petertheplumber at att.net  Tue Mar 22 10:45:20 2011
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 10:45:20 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Not Hardware Failure
Message-ID: <1300805120.24772.146.camel@peter-eee>

Good Morning,
The other week my Eee went for a short trip to the pavement. While it
was secured in it's neoprene case, and it landed flat, it still went
down several feet. Soon after all sorts of errors started. I was not
happy, but I remembered reading that a good step to take diagnosing
hardware trouble is to reseat all the components. I'm pretty sure I read
that here and I think I know who, so I wanted to thank that person. 
I disassembled my Eee following the directions found here
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAqaPKF5-lM>, I just didn't put a
different drive in. I pulled the SSD, WiFi card and the RAM, cleaned
everything up and put it back in. It's been a week now with not a sign
of trouble.
Thanks!
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From tesral at wowway.com  Tue Mar 22 13:07:12 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:07:12 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Not Hardware Failure
In-Reply-To: <1300805120.24772.146.camel@peter-eee>
References: <1300805120.24772.146.camel@peter-eee>
Message-ID: <4D88D740.6030504@wowway.com>

Peter Bart wrote:
> Good Morning,
> The other week my Eee went for a short trip to the pavement. While it
> was secured in it's neoprene case, and it landed flat, it still went
> down several feet. Soon after all sorts of errors started. I was not
> happy, but I remembered reading that a good step to take diagnosing
> hardware trouble is to reseat all the components. I'm pretty sure I read
> that here and I think I know who, so I wanted to thank that person. 
> I disassembled my Eee following the directions found here
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAqaPKF5-lM>, I just didn't put a
> different drive in. I pulled the SSD, WiFi card and the RAM, cleaned
> everything up and put it back in. It's been a week now with not a sign
> of trouble.
> Thanks!
>   

I'm not sure who started it but it's called "doing the stupid stuff
first", at least by me.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Tue Mar 22 12:09:55 2011
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:09:55 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Not Hardware Failure
In-Reply-To: <4D88D740.6030504@wowway.com>
References: <1300805120.24772.146.camel@peter-eee>
	<4D88D740.6030504@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E74C8@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

"When in doubt, reseat the cables and cards."

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                        (313) 227-2317

 "Yes, but other than being useful, usable, reliable, extensible,
   free, and unencumbered, what does Linux have going for it?"
                       - Hamilcar Barca

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> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On
Behalf Of
> Garry Stahl
> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 1:07 PM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Not Hardware Failure
> 
> Peter Bart wrote:
> > Good Morning,
> > The other week my Eee went for a short trip to the pavement. While
it
> > was secured in it's neoprene case, and it landed flat, it still went
> > down several feet. Soon after all sorts of errors started. I was not
> > happy, but I remembered reading that a good step to take diagnosing
> > hardware trouble is to reseat all the components. I'm pretty sure I
read
> > that here and I think I know who, so I wanted to thank that person.
> > I disassembled my Eee following the directions found here
> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAqaPKF5-lM>, I just didn't put a
> > different drive in. I pulled the SSD, WiFi card and the RAM, cleaned
> > everything up and put it back in. It's been a week now with not a
sign
> > of trouble.
> > Thanks!
> >
> 
> I'm not sure who started it but it's called "doing the stupid stuff
> first", at least by me.
> 
> --
> Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.
> 
> Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the
rest is
> propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
> Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
> The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
> Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org
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From gib at juno.com  Tue Mar 22 13:24:07 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 17:24:07 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Not Hardware Failure
Message-ID: <20110322.132407.26606.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>

Now if only plumbing were as easy.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Peter Bart <petertheplumber at att.net>
To: MDLUG Main List <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] Not Hardware Failure
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 10:45:20 -0400

Good Morning,
The other week my Eee went for a short trip to the pavement. While it
was secured in it's neoprene case, and it landed flat, it still went
down several feet. Soon after all sorts of errors started. I was not
happy, but I remembered reading that a good step to take diagnosing
hardware trouble is to reseat all the components. I'm pretty sure I read
that here and I think I know who, so I wanted to thank that person. 
I disassembled my Eee following the directions found here
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAqaPKF5-lM>, I just didn't put a
different drive in. I pulled the SSD, WiFi card and the RAM, cleaned
everything up and put it back in. It's been a week now with not a sign
of trouble.
Thanks!
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber

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From gib at juno.com  Tue Mar 22 18:57:08 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:57:08 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Message-ID: <20110322.185708.20347.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>


The MDLUG group has a new tool for you to try.  

During your meeting go to the folowing site:

http://blue.mdlug.org

Enter the meeting name: "SEMCO". This will set up a shared video/text/audio meeting for you to share with everyone.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Michael Rudas <audiotech50 at gmail.com>
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 23:01:02 -0400

Slipped through the cracks, somehow... sorry about that.

SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting announcement

The March 2011 SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting will be:
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
from 6:45 to 8:45 p.m.
Location: "Motor City Free Geek" facility
1511 Jarvis St.
Ferndale MI  48220

The meeting topic will be:
"Bridging a Digital Divide"
Michael Rudas will talk about cross-platform software (including
work-alikes) between Windows and Linux, with useful suggestions.
The facility is located east of Hilton (between Hilton and John R).
The new location is just north of the previous SIG-Linux meeting
location at the i3Detroit hackerspace.

Directions from the north:
Wanda Street runs south from 9 Mile Road.  Go south on Wanda from the
traffic light at 9 Mile Rd. The building is on the northwest corner of
Wanda and Jarvis (it's the first traffic light south of 9 Mile).
Directions from the south (a bit trickier, due to the railroad tracks
and divided highway):
Take 8 Mile Road.  From the west: Take the first turn-around east of
the railroad overpass.  From the east: turn right on West End Street
(last turn-off before the railroad overpass).  Take any subsequent
left--they all end at Wanda.  Turn right and go north to Jarvis.

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
 ? My Linux blog: SIG-Linux.blogspot.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey
_______________________________________________
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From gib at juno.com  Tue Mar 22 18:58:30 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:58:30 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Fw: Cisler Lecture on Thursday, March 24
Message-ID: <20110322.185830.20347.2@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>



Please note: forwarded message attached

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Subject: Fw: Cisler Lecture on Thursday, March 24
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:13:38 GMT


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From gib at juno.com  Tue Mar 22 19:01:50 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 23:01:50 GMT
Subject: [mdlug]  Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Message-ID: <20110322.190150.20347.4@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>

I just started a meeting with this link:

http://blue.mdlug.org/bigbluebutton/demo/create.jsp?action=invite&meetingID=SEMCO%27s+meeting

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Cc: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:57:08 GMT


The MDLUG group has a new tool for you to try.  

During your meeting go to the folowing site:

http://blue.mdlug.org

Enter the meeting name: "SEMCO". This will set up a shared video/text/audio meeting for you to share with everyone.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Michael Rudas <audiotech50 at gmail.com>
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 23:01:02 -0400

Slipped through the cracks, somehow... sorry about that.

SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting announcement

The March 2011 SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting will be:
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
from 6:45 to 8:45 p.m.
Location: "Motor City Free Geek" facility
1511 Jarvis St.
Ferndale MI  48220

The meeting topic will be:
"Bridging a Digital Divide"
Michael Rudas will talk about cross-platform software (including
work-alikes) between Windows and Linux, with useful suggestions.
The facility is located east of Hilton (between Hilton and John R).
The new location is just north of the previous SIG-Linux meeting
location at the i3Detroit hackerspace.

Directions from the north:
Wanda Street runs south from 9 Mile Road.  Go south on Wanda from the
traffic light at 9 Mile Rd. The building is on the northwest corner of
Wanda and Jarvis (it's the first traffic light south of 9 Mile).
Directions from the south (a bit trickier, due to the railroad tracks
and divided highway):
Take 8 Mile Road.  From the west: Take the first turn-around east of
the railroad overpass.  From the east: turn right on West End Street
(last turn-off before the railroad overpass).  Take any subsequent
left--they all end at Wanda.  Turn right and go north to Jarvis.

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
 ? My Linux blog: SIG-Linux.blogspot.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey
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From gib at juno.com  Tue Mar 22 20:12:46 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 00:12:46 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Message-ID: <20110322.201246.20347.9@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>

New meeting 

http://blue.mdlug.org/bigbluebutton/demo/create.jsp?action=invite&meetingID=SEMCO%27s+meeting

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Cc: mdlug at mdlug.org,  mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: [mdlug]  Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 23:01:50 GMT

I just started a meeting with this link:

http://blue.mdlug.org/bigbluebutton/demo/create.jsp?action=invite&meetingID=SEMCO%27s+meeting

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Cc: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:57:08 GMT


The MDLUG group has a new tool for you to try.  

During your meeting go to the folowing site:

http://blue.mdlug.org

Enter the meeting name: "SEMCO". This will set up a shared video/text/audio meeting for you to share with everyone.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Michael Rudas <audiotech50 at gmail.com>
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 23:01:02 -0400

Slipped through the cracks, somehow... sorry about that.

SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting announcement

The March 2011 SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting will be:
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
from 6:45 to 8:45 p.m.
Location: "Motor City Free Geek" facility
1511 Jarvis St.
Ferndale MI  48220

The meeting topic will be:
"Bridging a Digital Divide"
Michael Rudas will talk about cross-platform software (including
work-alikes) between Windows and Linux, with useful suggestions.
The facility is located east of Hilton (between Hilton and John R).
The new location is just north of the previous SIG-Linux meeting
location at the i3Detroit hackerspace.

Directions from the north:
Wanda Street runs south from 9 Mile Road.  Go south on Wanda from the
traffic light at 9 Mile Rd. The building is on the northwest corner of
Wanda and Jarvis (it's the first traffic light south of 9 Mile).
Directions from the south (a bit trickier, due to the railroad tracks
and divided highway):
Take 8 Mile Road.  From the west: Take the first turn-around east of
the railroad overpass.  From the east: turn right on West End Street
(last turn-off before the railroad overpass).  Take any subsequent
left--they all end at Wanda.  Turn right and go north to Jarvis.

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
 ? My Linux blog: SIG-Linux.blogspot.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey
_______________________________________________
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From gib at juno.com  Tue Mar 22 20:30:22 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 00:30:22 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Message-ID: <20110322.203022.20347.10@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>

We are done with the testing for tonight.  Good night everyone.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
To: semcoug at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [mdlug]  Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 23:24:51 GMT



---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Cc: mdlug at mdlug.org,  mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: [mdlug]  Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 23:01:50 GMT

I just started a meeting with this link:

http://blue.mdlug.org/bigbluebutton/demo/create.jsp?action=invite&meetingID=SEMCO%27s+meeting

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Cc: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:57:08 GMT


The MDLUG group has a new tool for you to try.  

During your meeting go to the folowing site:

http://blue.mdlug.org

Enter the meeting name: "SEMCO". This will set up a shared video/text/audio meeting for you to share with everyone.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Michael Rudas <audiotech50 at gmail.com>
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] Tuesday's SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 23:01:02 -0400

Slipped through the cracks, somehow... sorry about that.

SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting announcement

The March 2011 SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting will be:
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
from 6:45 to 8:45 p.m.
Location: "Motor City Free Geek" facility
1511 Jarvis St.
Ferndale MI  48220

The meeting topic will be:
"Bridging a Digital Divide"
Michael Rudas will talk about cross-platform software (including
work-alikes) between Windows and Linux, with useful suggestions.
The facility is located east of Hilton (between Hilton and John R).
The new location is just north of the previous SIG-Linux meeting
location at the i3Detroit hackerspace.

Directions from the north:
Wanda Street runs south from 9 Mile Road.  Go south on Wanda from the
traffic light at 9 Mile Rd. The building is on the northwest corner of
Wanda and Jarvis (it's the first traffic light south of 9 Mile).
Directions from the south (a bit trickier, due to the railroad tracks
and divided highway):
Take 8 Mile Road.  From the west: Take the first turn-around east of
the railroad overpass.  From the east: turn right on West End Street
(last turn-off before the railroad overpass).  Take any subsequent
left--they all end at Wanda.  Turn right and go north to Jarvis.

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
 ? My Linux blog: SIG-Linux.blogspot.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug

____________________________________________________________
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From gib at juno.com  Tue Mar 22 20:46:02 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 00:46:02 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Mar 20 ConCom Topic - Videoconference
Message-ID: <20110322.204602.20347.11@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>

We need a description of the big blue button for the ConCom and Penguicon.

Thought starters:
1. Video conferencing.
2. White boarding.
3. Sound sharing.
4. Text chat.
5. Multiple private rooms.

Equipment needed for partcipants:
1. Computer (display, keyboard).
2. Optional speakers or headphone for listening.
3. Optional microphone.
4. Bandwidth (more is better).

Equipment for hosting - note I have a server that I plan to loan out:
5. Optional additional servers to run the software (couple gigs memory).

My server is a  AMD Phenom II  X4 (true Quadcore design) 840 3.2 Ghz with 4 gig DDR3 1333 of memory.  I can build additional servers for $250.

---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: Krunal Desai <movszx at gmail.com>
To: gib at juno.com
Subject: Re: Mar 20 ConCom Topic - Videoconference
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:00:44 -0400

I like it; can you get me a brief desc. suitable for the program book, and a list of equipment needed (if any)?

--khd

On Mar 19, 2011, at 19:49 , gib at juno.com wrote:

> Possible tie-in for tech track for the videoconferencing software Big Blue Button (BBB):
> 
> 1. What is Big Blue Button (BBB) - install config 
> 2. Use BBB
> 3. We can use BBB to videocast many of the presentations.
> 4. Vidoecast the events
> 5. Use BBB to monitor OPS. Real time on-line OPS.
> 6. Walk around the dealer space with a web cam?
> 
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
> To: limeyone885 at gmail.com
> Cc: ossy at mpcon.org
> Subject: Re: Mar 20 ConCom Topic - Videoconference
> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 23:45:17 GMT
> 
> Great.  Thank you.
> 
> cc to Ozzie for network tie in.
> 
> Also I don't see a page for Chris Catlett. the members page link is broken for him.
> 
> Please note: message attached
> 
> From: Limey Z <limeyone885 at gmail.com>
> To: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: Mar 20 ConCom Topic - Videoconference
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 23:58:09 -0400
> 
> ____________________________________________________________
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From petertheplumber at att.net  Wed Mar 23 10:06:01 2011
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:06:01 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Not Hardware Failure
In-Reply-To: <20110322.132407.26606.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20110322.132407.26606.1@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <1300889161.24772.220.camel@peter-eee>

On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 17:24 +0000, gib at juno.com wrote: 
> Now if only plumbing were as easy.
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Peter Bart <petertheplumber at att.net>
> To: MDLUG Main List <mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: [mdlug] Not Hardware Failure
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 10:45:20 -0400
> 
> Good Morning,
> The other week my Eee went for a short trip to the pavement. While it
> was secured in it's neoprene case, and it landed flat, it still went
> down several feet. Soon after all sorts of errors started. I was not
> happy, but I remembered reading that a good step to take diagnosing
> hardware trouble is to reseat all the components. I'm pretty sure I
> read
> that here and I think I know who, so I wanted to thank that person. 
> I disassembled my Eee following the directions found here
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAqaPKF5-lM>, I just didn't put a
> different drive in. I pulled the SSD, WiFi card and the RAM, cleaned
> everything up and put it back in. It's been a week now with not a sign
> of trouble.
> Thanks!
> -- 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Peter The Plumber

I have a plan to make money off the easy stuff, I'm an artist and you
must pay me royalties every time you use water. I'm floating this idea
to other trades.

-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From tesral at wowway.com  Wed Mar 23 11:29:12 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:29:12 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
Message-ID: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com>

Does anyone still repair CRTs?

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From radkins at impelind.com  Wed Mar 23 10:43:39 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:43:39 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
In-Reply-To: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com>
References: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <DCD456966A49492EA2C6FA1E6EECADFF@Delta7>

I do not see the point.

The costs to repair a CRT is almost assuredly going to be higher than the
cost of purchasing a Flat Panel LCD with better specs.

Heck, it's even cheaper, in most cases, to just replace a flat panel monitor
or TV than have it repaired, unless one personally has the skills to
diagnose and replace parts on their own.

We live in the disposable future. It's not always environmentally the best
thing in the world, but man you can find a restaurant and set reservations
while walking around on the street without even making a phone call. Just
tap away, walk in and be seated when you arrive.

Regards,
Rob
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Garry Stahl
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 11:29 AM
> To: MDLUG Main
> Subject: [mdlug] CRT
> 
> Does anyone still repair CRTs?
> 
> --
> Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.
> 
> Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to 
> know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky Star Trek 
> mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur The Olde Phoenix Inn 
> http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com Metro Detroit Linux Users Group 
> http://www.mdlug.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
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From petertheplumber at att.net  Wed Mar 23 11:06:02 2011
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:06:02 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
In-Reply-To: <DCD456966A49492EA2C6FA1E6EECADFF@Delta7>
References: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com>
	<DCD456966A49492EA2C6FA1E6EECADFF@Delta7>
Message-ID: <1300892762.24772.223.camel@peter-eee>

On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 10:43 -0400, Robert Adkins II wrote: 
> I do not see the point.
> 
> The costs to repair a CRT is almost assuredly going to be higher than the
> cost of purchasing a Flat Panel LCD with better specs.
> 
> Heck, it's even cheaper, in most cases, to just replace a flat panel monitor
> or TV than have it repaired, unless one personally has the skills to
> diagnose and replace parts on their own.
> 
> We live in the disposable future. It's not always environmentally the best
> thing in the world, but man you can find a restaurant and set reservations
> while walking around on the street without even making a phone call. Just
> tap away, walk in and be seated when you arrive.
> 
> Regards,
> Rob
>  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> > [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Garry Stahl
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 11:29 AM
> > To: MDLUG Main
> > Subject: [mdlug] CRT
> > 
> > Does anyone still repair CRTs?
> > 
Wayne County has several hazardous material collection days throughout
the year when you can drop off stuff like that, if you choose to dispose
of it.
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From radkins at impelind.com  Wed Mar 23 11:08:41 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:08:41 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
In-Reply-To: <1300892762.24772.223.camel@peter-eee>
References: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com><DCD456966A49492EA2C6FA1E6EECADFF@Delta7>
	<1300892762.24772.223.camel@peter-eee>
Message-ID: <FDBC9B3EBA2D4BD4A308CC1F64940650@Delta7>


I shouldn't have assumed this is just a personal computer CRT screen.

If it is an industrial controller screen, it might be cost effective to
repair, because many controllers simply cannot have a completely different
type of screen installed in them, even if something of a similar size or
with an adapter can be made available.

At which point, it's usually best to contact the industrial controller or
machinery vendor/repair service to have that taken care of and even then,
they will likely suggest buying a newly made CRT screen for it as the costs
are usually negligible between repair and new and the new will have a
warranty lasting longer than 60 to 90 days.

Regards,
Rob


 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Peter Bart
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 11:06 AM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] CRT
> 
> On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 10:43 -0400, Robert Adkins II wrote: 
> > I do not see the point.
> > 
> > The costs to repair a CRT is almost assuredly going to be 
> higher than 
> > the cost of purchasing a Flat Panel LCD with better specs.
> > 
> > Heck, it's even cheaper, in most cases, to just replace a 
> flat panel 
> > monitor or TV than have it repaired, unless one personally has the 
> > skills to diagnose and replace parts on their own.
> > 
> > We live in the disposable future. It's not always 
> environmentally the 
> > best thing in the world, but man you can find a restaurant and set 
> > reservations while walking around on the street without 
> even making a 
> > phone call. Just tap away, walk in and be seated when you arrive.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Rob
> >  
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
> > > [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Garry Stahl
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 11:29 AM
> > > To: MDLUG Main
> > > Subject: [mdlug] CRT
> > > 
> > > Does anyone still repair CRTs?
> > > 
> Wayne County has several hazardous material collection days 
> throughout the year when you can drop off stuff like that, if 
> you choose to dispose of it.
> --
> Best Regards,
> 
> Peter The Plumber
> 
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> 



From tesral at wowway.com  Wed Mar 23 12:47:30 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:47:30 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
In-Reply-To: <DCD456966A49492EA2C6FA1E6EECADFF@Delta7>
References: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com>
	<DCD456966A49492EA2C6FA1E6EECADFF@Delta7>
Message-ID: <4D8A2422.1020006@wowway.com>

Robert Adkins II wrote:
> I do not see the point.
>
> The costs to repair a CRT is almost assuredly going to be higher than the
> cost of purchasing a Flat Panel LCD with better specs.
>
>   

Older monitor I use with the Amigas.  It syncs down to their level. 
However it is not as limited as the actual Commodoe monitors I have.  So
yes, I want it repaired.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 12:15:49 2011
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:15:49 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
In-Reply-To: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com>
References: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim06u+i_5Tt+wqDMKtCY-aAHWG0T0yAjV-PT1Lf@mail.gmail.com>

--- Garry Stahl wrote:
> Does anyone still repair CRTs?

As you may know, I used to repair monitors for a living.  A LOT
depends on what the problems and symptoms are, as well as the brand
and model involved.  You can buy a decent 17-inch CRT monitor used for
under $20, and they are still better than LC displays in some ways.
Often the problem is nothing more than bad solder connections.

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
?  My Linux blog: Linux-SIG.blogspot.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey


From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Wed Mar 23 12:21:59 2011
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:21:59 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
In-Reply-To: <DCD456966A49492EA2C6FA1E6EECADFF@Delta7>
References: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com>
	<DCD456966A49492EA2C6FA1E6EECADFF@Delta7>
Message-ID: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B03E7554@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Robert Adkins II

> The costs to repair a CRT is almost assuredly going to be higher than
the
> cost of purchasing a Flat Panel LCD with better specs.

 CRTs have better specs at low resolutions. Old software, particularly
games, don't always support 1920x1080 and so forth. For that particular
purpose, CRTs still have a few charms. :-)

 Sincerely,

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From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 12:24:37 2011
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:24:37 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
In-Reply-To: <4D8A2422.1020006@wowway.com>
References: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com>
	<DCD456966A49492EA2C6FA1E6EECADFF@Delta7>
	<4D8A2422.1020006@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikB8mF3_ZN2WEiztF2unt+XeFOoYNT0s+WR0oXD@mail.gmail.com>

--- Garry Stahl wrote:

> Older monitor I use with the Amigas. ?It syncs down to their level.
> However it is not as limited as the actual Commodore monitors I have. ?So
> yes, I want it repaired.

I am quite familiar with the Amiga-compatible multi-sync monitors (I
have fixed many of them over the years), and probably can repair
it--unless it's a bad CRT.  Since they were compatible with Amiga
(NTSC scan and signal compatible) they are hard to replace now--no
standard PC monitor will work the same.  Drop me a note off-list and
we'll get it going.

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
?  My Linux blog: Linux-SIG.blogspot.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey


From rrclark at rrclark.net  Wed Mar 23 11:54:46 2011
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (rrclark at rrclark.net)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:54:46 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
In-Reply-To: <4D8A2422.1020006@wowway.com>
References: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com>
	<DCD456966A49492EA2C6FA1E6EECADFF@Delta7>
	<4D8A2422.1020006@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <b439f65774988e30f26720cc9fc1bea7.squirrel@rrclark.net>


> Older monitor I use with the Amigas.  It syncs down to their level.
> However it is not as limited as the actual Commodoe monitors I have.  So
> yes, I want it repaired.

http://www.mbmsolutions.com/

I used to work for them. They should still be doing component level repair
on monitors.



From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 13:22:03 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:22:03 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
In-Reply-To: <DCD456966A49492EA2C6FA1E6EECADFF@Delta7>
References: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com>
	<DCD456966A49492EA2C6FA1E6EECADFF@Delta7>
Message-ID: <4D8A2C3B.9030907@gmail.com>

Robert Adkins II wrote:
> I do not see the point.
> 
> The costs to repair a CRT is almost assuredly going to be higher than the
> cost of purchasing a Flat Panel LCD with better specs.
> 
> Heck, it's even cheaper, in most cases, to just replace a flat panel monitor
> or TV than have it repaired, unless one personally has the skills to
> diagnose and replace parts on their own.
> 
> We live in the disposable future. It's not always environmentally the best
> thing in the world,

I'm not sure about that... the cost of things reflects two inputs --
the energy to obtain the materials, and the amount of person-hours
needed to obtain the materials, work the materials into objects,
and assemble the objects.

If buying brand new is cheaper than repairing, this indicates that
repairing is actually the more inefficient process.

This is Adam Smith's "invisible hand" or the market place
at work -- Neither you or I can know the exact inputs into
everything, but prices transmit accumulated information which
nobody could ever keep track of. [This is why demand-side
and command economies like the Soviet Union and N. Korea
always wind up as complete failures -- the replacement of
market prices with political decisions causes massive
inefficiencies which are never identified.]

> but man you can find a restaurant and set reservations
> while walking around on the street without even making a phone call. Just
> tap away, walk in and be seated when you arrive.
> 
> Regards,
> Rob
>  
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
>> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Garry Stahl
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 11:29 AM
>> To: MDLUG Main
>> Subject: [mdlug] CRT
>>
>> Does anyone still repair CRTs?
>>
>> --
>> Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.
>>
>> Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to 
>> know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky Star Trek 
>> mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur The Olde Phoenix Inn 
>> http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com Metro Detroit Linux Users Group 
>> http://www.mdlug.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> mdlug mailing list
>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>>
> 
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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 13:23:06 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:23:06 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
In-Reply-To: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com>
References: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <4D8A2C7A.4050004@gmail.com>

Garry Stahl wrote:
> Does anyone still repair CRTs?
> 

What's wrong with it?


From tesral at wowway.com  Wed Mar 23 16:06:01 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 16:06:01 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
In-Reply-To: <4D8A2C7A.4050004@gmail.com>
References: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com> <4D8A2C7A.4050004@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D8A52A9.3060705@wowway.com>

Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> What's wrong with it?
Turn on, after a few seconds the screen goes dead.  Turn off, turn on
again, same thing.


-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 15:47:10 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:47:10 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
In-Reply-To: <4D8A52A9.3060705@wowway.com>
References: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com> <4D8A2C7A.4050004@gmail.com>
	<4D8A52A9.3060705@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <4D8A4E3E.2080508@gmail.com>

Garry Stahl wrote:
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>> What's wrong with it?
> Turn on, after a few seconds the screen goes dead.  Turn off, turn on
> again, same thing.

Transient problem... 
I woudn't be surprised if it was exactly what Mike Rudas
said -- bad solder connection: current flows, heats part --
heating causes thermal expansion of part which in turn
causes the solder joint to separate, causing current to
stop, or become reduced to the point that the screen
stops displaying anything.

More specifically, my bet is that the joint in question
is on a conductive path which follows from the positive
side of the AC/DC converter to the power supply to either
the electron gun controllers (power pin on those amplifiers),
or to the heater at the base of the CRT. (being a tube, it
has a heater in it).
Worst case scenario: the heater itself is failing.



From tony at bemushosting.com  Wed Mar 23 15:54:34 2011
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:54:34 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: Meeting Presentations and Tech Tips]
Message-ID: <1300910074.29561.6.camel@bemus-remote>

We are looking for someone to give one or more Tech Tip presentations.
Tech tips can be short (5 to 15 min) and command line based.  Please
email me if you are interested sectary at mdlug.org

We are also looking for people to give Presentations.  You don't have to
be the expert on the topic but be able to lead a discussion and some
info on the topic.  Again Please email me if you are interested
sectary at mdlug.org

Tony Bemus
MDLUG Sectary 
sectary at mdlug.org
www.mdlug.org






From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 25 02:45:19 2011
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 02:45:19 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CRT
In-Reply-To: <4D8A52A9.3060705@wowway.com>
References: <4D8A11C8.3060700@wowway.com> <4D8A2C7A.4050004@gmail.com>
	<4D8A52A9.3060705@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinxgNSEyrK+XCj+Q5CHhPHumriNvTW7r3U6kyWr@mail.gmail.com>

--- Garry Stahl  wrote:

> --- Aaron Kulkis wrote:

>> What's wrong with it?

> Turn on, after a few seconds the screen goes dead.
>  Turn off, turn on again, same thing.

It's PROBABLY fixable.  Many monitors of that vintage have a
dry-capacitor problem that will cause that symptom.  The high voltage
monitor and/or control circuits have a filter cap that, when open
(dry) can't filter out transients.  Rarely, it's a bad flyback.

?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
 ? My Linux blog: Linux-SIG.blogspot.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey


From tony at bemushosting.com  Fri Mar 25 21:44:52 2011
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 21:44:52 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] ulteo and office suite application server
Message-ID: <1301103892.2147.6.camel@bemus-tony>

I was surfing and looking at running my own web based office server and
I ran across the Ulteo site.  This looks very interesting.  publishing
applications and desktops through a webbrowser.  Anyone deal with this
or something like it?
http://www.ulteo.com/home/en/home?autolang=en

I was also looking for a way to run my own Office suite server similar
to Google Apps or the new web version of M$ Office 2010.  I found
Thinkfree (http://member.thinkfree.com/member/goLandingPage.action) but
its not free.  I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions?

Tony Bemus



From micorral at comcast.net  Sat Mar 26 13:25:47 2011
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 13:25:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Free Fedora stuff
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1103261304020.1649@banana.sluggo.net>

Follow the directions here if you want some free Fedora stickers
and case badges:

<https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Thank_You>

It'll just cost you two 44 cent stamps; not a bad deal.
I sent for mine today. I've heard they're really nice.

Michael


From gib at juno.com  Sun Mar 27 20:09:19 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 00:09:19 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] [ubuntu-us-mi] REMINDER! Ubuntu Global Jam for 11.04 -
	April 3rd
Message-ID: <20110327.200919.12265.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>

Tony, the Secretary for the "MDLUG.org" group has come up with a cool solution for attending remote meetings.  An open source solution called "Big Blue Button". The club has been testing a version of this. I have my own copy running at the following address: http://76.242.100.172/ Just enter a name and logon.  You can share your microphone by clicking the microphone icon in the upper left. Same with a camera with the camera icon.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com>
To: Ubuntu Michigan Local Community Team <ubuntu-us-mi at lists.ubuntu.com>,  Grand Rapids Linux Users Group <grlug at grlug.org>, Patrick TenHoopen <president at wmlug.org>
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-mi] REMINDER! Ubuntu Global Jam for 11.04 - April 3rd
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 14:54:31 -0400

Even though I have no confirmed riders for the meeting so far, I'm
still coming from the Grand Rapids area. If anyone would like to meet
in Grand Rapids or anywhere along I-96 to Ann Arbor, let me know.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Greg Grossmeier <greg at grossmeier.net> wrote:
> Reminder!
>
> We're about one week away from the Natty Global Jam being held in Ann
> Arbor. Details and RSVP url are below.
>
> Greg
>
> <quoting name="Greg Grossmeier" date="2011-03-09" time="22:47:48 -0500">
>> Ubuntu Global Jam for Ubuntu 11.04 - Natty Narwhal
>> &#65533; &#65533; April 3rd, 12noon - 5pm
>> &#65533; &#65533; SRT Solutions, 206 S. Fifth Ave in Ann Arbor
>> &#65533; &#65533; RSVP: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/779/detail/
>>
>> The next release of Ubuntu will be one of the most ambitious releases
>> yet. By replacing the default interface with Unity, changing to the newly
>> released LibreOffice Suite, and upgrading the default python version to
>> 2.7 this version of Ubuntu promises to be a spectacular upgrade.
>>
>> Because of all these major overhauls it is important to get as many
>> people as possible testing, reporting bugs, triaging, and bug fixing
>> before final release day. Come to the Michigan LoCo's Ubuntu Global Jam
>> to help ensure this release is the best it can be.
>>
>> We will be doing test installs and upgrades, hardware compatibility
>> checking, along with some bug reporting and triaging. No prior experience
>> is required; we'll be working together and in teams to help get everyone
>> up to speed and contributing.
>>
>> Bring your laptop(s), netbook(s), and USB disks for test installs. Snacks
>> will be provided.
>>
>> If you can, stay after the Jam for some post-event revelry at a local
>> establishment (location TBD).
>>
>>
>>
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From radkins at impelind.com  Tue Mar 29 10:16:52 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:16:52 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
Message-ID: <7413B03E276549C488AE7723CF960242@Delta7>

I am seeking to force certain users into trimming back the size of their
email stored on the IMAP server. Much of the data itself doesn't need to be
stored in email long term, as it is replicated elsewhere on the network.
 
The problem is, if I just toss in a quota I am concerned that there will be
no warning, just suddenly they will be unable to send/receive email. Nothing
I am seeing the in the tools for enabling quotas suggests that the users
will receive any form of warning.
 
Is this true?
 
Thanks,
Rob


From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Tue Mar 29 10:30:07 2011
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:30:07 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
In-Reply-To: <7413B03E276549C488AE7723CF960242@Delta7>
Message-ID: <C9B76487.53DA%gregwojtak@quickenloans.com>

I believe what you're describing are soft quotas (as opposed to hard
quotas).  I've never set them up myself, but the user is indeed supposed
to be notified when he has reached his soft quota.  Also at that point, a
grace period countdown begins.  Due to my lack of hands on experience with
them, however, I don't know the method of notification (a message at
login, email, a pillow case full of doorknobs to the head...).

On 2011-03-29 10:16 AM, "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com> wrote:

>I am seeking to force certain users into trimming back the size of their
>email stored on the IMAP server. Much of the data itself doesn't need to
>be
>stored in email long term, as it is replicated elsewhere on the network.
> 
>The problem is, if I just toss in a quota I am concerned that there will
>be
>no warning, just suddenly they will be unable to send/receive email.
>Nothing
>I am seeing the in the tools for enabling quotas suggests that the users
>will receive any form of warning.
> 
>Is this true?
> 
>Thanks,
>Rob
>_______________________________________________
>mdlug mailing list
>mdlug at mdlug.org
>http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From radkins at impelind.com  Tue Mar 29 10:47:21 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:47:21 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
In-Reply-To: <4D91EFCB.7000404@umich.edu>
References: <7413B03E276549C488AE7723CF960242@Delta7>
	<4D91EFCB.7000404@umich.edu>
Message-ID: <5536C5A16F974D34B22D48AEB021FDE3@Delta7>

Thank you Mark.

I did actually install a new HD into the server and made it the new /home
directory.

The reason for holding these users to a quota is important. If I do not,
then they will continue to grow their email storage, indefinitely. It is
literally a teeth pulling operation to "permanently" remove data from the
servers that is 6 years out of date. So, I'm looking at having to manage
inboxes with a potential size of "unlimited".

Thanks,
Rob

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Montague [mailto:markmont at umich.edu] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:42 AM
> To: mdlug at mdlug.org; radkins at impelind.com
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
> 
>   On March 29, 2011 10:16 , "Robert Adkins II" 
> <radkins at impelind.com> wrote:
> > I am seeking to force certain users into trimming back the size of 
> > their email stored on the IMAP server. Much of the data 
> itself doesn't 
> > need to be stored in email long term, as it is replicated 
> elsewhere on the network.
> >
> > The problem is, if I just toss in a quota I am concerned that there 
> > will be no warning, just suddenly they will be unable to 
> send/receive 
> > email. Nothing I am seeing the in the tools for enabling quotas 
> > suggests that the users will receive any form of warning.
> >
> > Is this true?
> 
> Are you sure you want to impose quotas?  At the University of 
> Michigan (for example), adding another drive to an IMAP 
> server's RAID array (or upgrading the drives to higher 
> capacity ones, if possible) is cheaper than imposing and 
> managing quotas, and then paying for the resulting end user 
> support.  Plenty of people have 5 GB, 10 GB, even 20 GB 
> mailboxes, and the very rare problem cases can usually be 
> addressed by having a chat with the offending user.  (If this 
> sounds radical, keep in mind that as of today, Google is 
> providing 7.6 GB per user at no cost, with extra space 
> available very cheaply).
> 
> Alternatively, have a script that runs daily that sends 
> annoying nags to people who are using more space than you 
> would like.  "You have more than 10 GB of email on the 
> server; please be a good citizen and free up some space.  
> Call 555-1234 if you'd like assistance with downloading 
> some of it to your desktop, or otherwise archiving it."    
> You may also 
> want this script to look for and notify the user about common problems
> -- such as a Trash or Junk Mail folder that has lots of 
> things in it (hundreds of megabytes).
> 
> But, assuming you really do want to use quotas:
> 
> - Use IMAP quotas rather than Unix filesystem quotas, if at 
> all possible.  This will give you much more "intelligence", 
> nicer failure modes, and hopefully better control.
> 
> - Configure your SMTP / LMTP server to hold messages for up 
> to 7 days if they cannot be delivered due to a mailbox being 
> over quota.  Only bounce (or discard) the message after that 
> time, if the user has not freed up space in their quota.  
> Test this regularly to be sure that messages only get 
> delayed, not lost, if a user goes over quota but then frees 
> up space within a week.
> 
> - Provide a web interface where people can check their 
> current quota usage.
> 
> - Keep in mind that if the user uses a client that uses a 
> Trash folder, this can sometimes complicate things.  See the 
> question "Why can't I delete any messages from my over-quota 
> mailbox?" at http://www.cyrusimap.org/docs/cyrus-imapd/2.4.6/faq.php
> 
> - Run a script such as the one described above that warns 
> people when they get close to their quota so that they are 
> not surprised.
> 
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> --
>    Mark Montague
>    mark at catseye.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
>    Mark Montague
>    mark at catseye.org
> 



From markmont at umich.edu  Tue Mar 29 10:42:19 2011
From: markmont at umich.edu (Mark Montague)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:42:19 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
In-Reply-To: <7413B03E276549C488AE7723CF960242@Delta7>
References: <7413B03E276549C488AE7723CF960242@Delta7>
Message-ID: <4D91EFCB.7000404@umich.edu>

  On March 29, 2011 10:16 , "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com> wrote:
> I am seeking to force certain users into trimming back the size of their
> email stored on the IMAP server. Much of the data itself doesn't need to be
> stored in email long term, as it is replicated elsewhere on the network.
>
> The problem is, if I just toss in a quota I am concerned that there will be
> no warning, just suddenly they will be unable to send/receive email. Nothing
> I am seeing the in the tools for enabling quotas suggests that the users
> will receive any form of warning.
>
> Is this true?

Are you sure you want to impose quotas?  At the University of Michigan 
(for example), adding another drive to an IMAP server's RAID array (or 
upgrading the drives to higher capacity ones, if possible) is cheaper 
than imposing and managing quotas, and then paying for the resulting end 
user support.  Plenty of people have 5 GB, 10 GB, even 20 GB mailboxes, 
and the very rare problem cases can usually be addressed by having a 
chat with the offending user.  (If this sounds radical, keep in mind 
that as of today, Google is providing 7.6 GB per user at no cost, with 
extra space available very cheaply).

Alternatively, have a script that runs daily that sends annoying nags to 
people who are using more space than you would like.  "You have more 
than 10 GB of email on the server; please be a good citizen and free up 
some space.  Call 555-1234 if you'd like assistance with downloading 
some of it to your desktop, or otherwise archiving it."    You may also 
want this script to look for and notify the user about common problems 
-- such as a Trash or Junk Mail folder that has lots of things in it 
(hundreds of megabytes).

But, assuming you really do want to use quotas:

- Use IMAP quotas rather than Unix filesystem quotas, if at all 
possible.  This will give you much more "intelligence", nicer failure 
modes, and hopefully better control.

- Configure your SMTP / LMTP server to hold messages for up to 7 days if 
they cannot be delivered due to a mailbox being over quota.  Only bounce 
(or discard) the message after that time, if the user has not freed up 
space in their quota.  Test this regularly to be sure that messages only 
get delayed, not lost, if a user goes over quota but then frees up space 
within a week.

- Provide a web interface where people can check their current quota usage.

- Keep in mind that if the user uses a client that uses a Trash folder, 
this can sometimes complicate things.  See the question "Why can't I 
delete any messages from my over-quota mailbox?" at 
http://www.cyrusimap.org/docs/cyrus-imapd/2.4.6/faq.php

- Run a script such as the one described above that warns people when 
they get close to their quota so that they are not surprised.


I hope this helps.

--
   Mark Montague
   mark at catseye.org




--
   Mark Montague
   mark at catseye.org


From markmont at umich.edu  Tue Mar 29 11:02:44 2011
From: markmont at umich.edu (Mark Montague)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:02:44 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
In-Reply-To: <5536C5A16F974D34B22D48AEB021FDE3@Delta7>
References: <7413B03E276549C488AE7723CF960242@Delta7>
	<4D91EFCB.7000404@umich.edu>
	<5536C5A16F974D34B22D48AEB021FDE3@Delta7>
Message-ID: <4D91F494.3000801@umich.edu>

  On March 29, 2011 10:47 , "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com> 
wrote:
> The reason for holding these users to a quota is important. If I do not,
> then they will continue to grow their email storage, indefinitely. It is
> literally a teeth pulling operation to "permanently" remove data from the
> servers that is 6 years out of date. So, I'm looking at having to manage
> inboxes with a potential size of "unlimited".

That's the same situation that the University of Michigan is in with 
their main campus-wide IMAP service, actually, and it hasn't caused a 
problem.  There are no quotas, and the potential size of inboxes is 
"unlimited".  Most people don't keep tons of mail, and the rate of 
growth of email storage is entirely manageable.  Keep in mind that while 
most students will leave after 4-5 years (undergraduate) or 7-9 (Ph.D.) 
-- and mailboxes are deleted around 6 months to one year after someone 
departs -- most staff and faculty stick around for longer.

I've included some statistics below that some people may find interesting.

--
   Mark Montague
   mark at catseye.org


------------------------------
  IMAP Usage Summary 2011-03-28
------------------------------

--- total disk data  ---
64.84 TB (73.2%) disk used of 88.63 TB total
There are 14.93 TB left before 90% utilization

--- total size data  ---
61.86 TB total for 85342 users

average:  760.03 MB
median:   302.01 MB

--- user size distribution ---
under 50MB:   21776  25.52%
under 200MB:  35850  42.01%
over 1GB:     18994  22.26%
over 5GB:      1373   1.61%

--- aggregate folder sizes ---
trash:     1259.36 GB  (2.0%)
SpamBox:    102.29 GB  (0.2%)

--- usage statistics ---
active users:    69510 (81.4%) -- read or received mail
logged in users: 52521 (61.5%)
disabled users:   5370 ( 6.3%)

--- client statistics ---
web users:     41195 (78.4%)  web-only users:        0 ( 0.0%)
proxy users:   52521 (100.0%)  proxy-only users:  11325 (21.6%)
gpcc users:        3 ( 0.0%)  gpcc-only users:       1 ( 0.0%)

--- messages delivered ---
10604330 total messages delivered
   127429 messages delivered to SpamBox ( 1.2%)

--- total system load ---
336284.64 total system load
      4.84 active user average load

--- load by process ---
imap: 295236.43    pop:  18896.48    lmtp:  22151.72
            87.8%              5.6%               6.6%

--- total logins ---
imap: 28561295    pop: 7245908
          79.8%           20.2%




From radkins at impelind.com  Tue Mar 29 11:07:25 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:07:25 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
In-Reply-To: <4D91F494.3000801@umich.edu>
References: <7413B03E276549C488AE7723CF960242@Delta7>
	<4D91EFCB.7000404@umich.edu>
	<5536C5A16F974D34B22D48AEB021FDE3@Delta7>
	<4D91F494.3000801@umich.edu>
Message-ID: <AB4560BF101D416A81634AF5E8034BEE@Delta7>


Two of the users in question receive hundreds of megabytes of data and also
forward to other users inhouse and out that are also into the hundreds of
megabytes.

This can quickly become an unmanageable situation.

Also... The amount of email and size of files has been increasing
considerably as well.

My archiving activities on job related drives has had to be ramped up
considerably to keep from hitting the drive empty ceiling. What used to take
upwards of 6 to 8 months is now filled up in 3 to 5 months.

Thanks again,
-Rob

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Montague [mailto:markmont at umich.edu] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:03 AM
> To: Robert Adkins II
> Cc: mdlug at mdlug.org
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
> 
>   On March 29, 2011 10:47 , "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com>
> wrote:
> > The reason for holding these users to a quota is important. If I do 
> > not, then they will continue to grow their email storage, 
> > indefinitely. It is literally a teeth pulling operation to 
> > "permanently" remove data from the servers that is 6 years out of 
> > date. So, I'm looking at having to manage inboxes with a 
> potential size of "unlimited".
> 
> That's the same situation that the University of Michigan is 
> in with their main campus-wide IMAP service, actually, and it 
> hasn't caused a problem.  There are no quotas, and the 
> potential size of inboxes is "unlimited".  Most people don't 
> keep tons of mail, and the rate of growth of email storage is 
> entirely manageable.  Keep in mind that while most students 
> will leave after 4-5 years (undergraduate) or 7-9 (Ph.D.)
> -- and mailboxes are deleted around 6 months to one year 
> after someone departs -- most staff and faculty stick around 
> for longer.
> 
> I've included some statistics below that some people may find 
> interesting.
> 
> --
>    Mark Montague
>    mark at catseye.org
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
>   IMAP Usage Summary 2011-03-28
> ------------------------------
> 
> --- total disk data  ---
> 64.84 TB (73.2%) disk used of 88.63 TB total There are 14.93 
> TB left before 90% utilization
> 
> --- total size data  ---
> 61.86 TB total for 85342 users
> 
> average:  760.03 MB
> median:   302.01 MB
> 
> --- user size distribution ---
> under 50MB:   21776  25.52%
> under 200MB:  35850  42.01%
> over 1GB:     18994  22.26%
> over 5GB:      1373   1.61%
> 
> --- aggregate folder sizes ---
> trash:     1259.36 GB  (2.0%)
> SpamBox:    102.29 GB  (0.2%)
> 
> --- usage statistics ---
> active users:    69510 (81.4%) -- read or received mail
> logged in users: 52521 (61.5%)
> disabled users:   5370 ( 6.3%)
> 
> --- client statistics ---
> web users:     41195 (78.4%)  web-only users:        0 ( 0.0%)
> proxy users:   52521 (100.0%)  proxy-only users:  11325 (21.6%)
> gpcc users:        3 ( 0.0%)  gpcc-only users:       1 ( 0.0%)
> 
> --- messages delivered ---
> 10604330 total messages delivered
>    127429 messages delivered to SpamBox ( 1.2%)
> 
> --- total system load ---
> 336284.64 total system load
>       4.84 active user average load
> 
> --- load by process ---
> imap: 295236.43    pop:  18896.48    lmtp:  22151.72
>             87.8%              5.6%               6.6%
> 
> --- total logins ---
> imap: 28561295    pop: 7245908
>           79.8%           20.2%
> 
> 
> 



From oogs at umich.edu  Tue Mar 29 11:13:21 2011
From: oogs at umich.edu (Chris Baldwin)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:13:21 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
In-Reply-To: <AB4560BF101D416A81634AF5E8034BEE@Delta7>
References: <7413B03E276549C488AE7723CF960242@Delta7>	<4D91EFCB.7000404@umich.edu>	<5536C5A16F974D34B22D48AEB021FDE3@Delta7>	<4D91F494.3000801@umich.edu>
	<AB4560BF101D416A81634AF5E8034BEE@Delta7>
Message-ID: <4D91F711.4060508@umich.edu>

It sounds like you might want to consider other methods for this data 
transfer. Have you thought about setting up an sftp server, or maybe 
subscribing to a service like dropbox? This way they can just email each 
other links and/or directories.

-Chris B.

On 3/29/11 11:07 AM, Robert Adkins II wrote:
> Two of the users in question receive hundreds of megabytes of data and also
> forward to other users inhouse and out that are also into the hundreds of
> megabytes.
>
> This can quickly become an unmanageable situation.
>
> Also... The amount of email and size of files has been increasing
> considerably as well.
>
> My archiving activities on job related drives has had to be ramped up
> considerably to keep from hitting the drive empty ceiling. What used to take
> upwards of 6 to 8 months is now filled up in 3 to 5 months.
>
> Thanks again,
> -Rob
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mark Montague [mailto:markmont at umich.edu]
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:03 AM
>> To: Robert Adkins II
>> Cc: mdlug at mdlug.org
>> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
>>
>>    On March 29, 2011 10:47 , "Robert Adkins II"<radkins at impelind.com>
>> wrote:
>>> The reason for holding these users to a quota is important. If I do
>>> not, then they will continue to grow their email storage,
>>> indefinitely. It is literally a teeth pulling operation to
>>> "permanently" remove data from the servers that is 6 years out of
>>> date. So, I'm looking at having to manage inboxes with a
>> potential size of "unlimited".
>>
>> That's the same situation that the University of Michigan is
>> in with their main campus-wide IMAP service, actually, and it
>> hasn't caused a problem.  There are no quotas, and the
>> potential size of inboxes is "unlimited".  Most people don't
>> keep tons of mail, and the rate of growth of email storage is
>> entirely manageable.  Keep in mind that while most students
>> will leave after 4-5 years (undergraduate) or 7-9 (Ph.D.)
>> -- and mailboxes are deleted around 6 months to one year
>> after someone departs -- most staff and faculty stick around
>> for longer.
>>
>> I've included some statistics below that some people may find
>> interesting.
>>
>> --
>>     Mark Montague
>>     mark at catseye.org
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>    IMAP Usage Summary 2011-03-28
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> --- total disk data  ---
>> 64.84 TB (73.2%) disk used of 88.63 TB total There are 14.93
>> TB left before 90% utilization
>>
>> --- total size data  ---
>> 61.86 TB total for 85342 users
>>
>> average:  760.03 MB
>> median:   302.01 MB
>>
>> --- user size distribution ---
>> under 50MB:   21776  25.52%
>> under 200MB:  35850  42.01%
>> over 1GB:     18994  22.26%
>> over 5GB:      1373   1.61%
>>
>> --- aggregate folder sizes ---
>> trash:     1259.36 GB  (2.0%)
>> SpamBox:    102.29 GB  (0.2%)
>>
>> --- usage statistics ---
>> active users:    69510 (81.4%) -- read or received mail
>> logged in users: 52521 (61.5%)
>> disabled users:   5370 ( 6.3%)
>>
>> --- client statistics ---
>> web users:     41195 (78.4%)  web-only users:        0 ( 0.0%)
>> proxy users:   52521 (100.0%)  proxy-only users:  11325 (21.6%)
>> gpcc users:        3 ( 0.0%)  gpcc-only users:       1 ( 0.0%)
>>
>> --- messages delivered ---
>> 10604330 total messages delivered
>>     127429 messages delivered to SpamBox ( 1.2%)
>>
>> --- total system load ---
>> 336284.64 total system load
>>        4.84 active user average load
>>
>> --- load by process ---
>> imap: 295236.43    pop:  18896.48    lmtp:  22151.72
>>              87.8%              5.6%               6.6%
>>
>> --- total logins ---
>> imap: 28561295    pop: 7245908
>>            79.8%           20.2%
>>
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>
>


From markmont at umich.edu  Tue Mar 29 11:20:19 2011
From: markmont at umich.edu (Mark Montague)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:20:19 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
In-Reply-To: <AB4560BF101D416A81634AF5E8034BEE@Delta7>
References: <7413B03E276549C488AE7723CF960242@Delta7>
	<4D91EFCB.7000404@umich.edu>
	<5536C5A16F974D34B22D48AEB021FDE3@Delta7>
	<4D91F494.3000801@umich.edu>
	<AB4560BF101D416A81634AF5E8034BEE@Delta7>
Message-ID: <4D91F8B3.60604@umich.edu>

  On March 29, 2011 11:07 , "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com> 
wrote:
> Two of the users in question receive hundreds of megabytes of data and also
> forward to other users inhouse and out that are also into the hundreds of
> megabytes.
>
> This can quickly become an unmanageable situation.

What size limit are you imposing on individual messages?  UofM imposes a 
limit of 100 MB for a single SMTP mesage, which, taking MIME encoding 
losses into account means that users can generally send a message with 
at largest a single 67 MB attachment.

Do you have duplicate delivery suppression enabled on your IMAP server?  
If people are forwarding large emails to other users in-house, duplicate 
delivery suppression can potentially save a lot of storage space.

Have you educated users about other ways to transfer large amounts of 
data?  For example, dropbox-like services?  SFTP to personal home 
directory space?  There are a variety of cloud-based and in-house 
options.  When educating users, be sure to emphasize the benefits of 
non-email-based methods -- including faster speeds (potentially), much 
better security, and more features.

--
   Mark Montague
   mark at catseye.org



From radkins at impelind.com  Tue Mar 29 11:41:57 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:41:57 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
In-Reply-To: <4D91F8B3.60604@umich.edu>
References: <7413B03E276549C488AE7723CF960242@Delta7>
	<4D91EFCB.7000404@umich.edu>
	<5536C5A16F974D34B22D48AEB021FDE3@Delta7>
	<4D91F494.3000801@umich.edu>
	<AB4560BF101D416A81634AF5E8034BEE@Delta7>
	<4D91F8B3.60604@umich.edu>
Message-ID: <A2712FFDBF1F422F96E83611D2A75858@Delta7>

The majority of data transferred to us that totals into the hundreds of
megabytes each week, is sent in files less than a 2 to 3 megabytes with some
rare files approaching 10mb in size.

Larger files are transferred to us in different, more secure methods.

The volume of email received and sent is significant and we are a fairly
data driven business.

Individually, several of us receive an average between 50 and 100 emails
each day.

Thanks,
Rob
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Montague [mailto:markmont at umich.edu] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:20 AM
> To: Robert Adkins II
> Cc: mdlug at mdlug.org
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
> 
>   On March 29, 2011 11:07 , "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com>
> wrote:
> > Two of the users in question receive hundreds of megabytes 
> of data and 
> > also forward to other users inhouse and out that are also into the 
> > hundreds of megabytes.
> >
> > This can quickly become an unmanageable situation.
> 
> What size limit are you imposing on individual messages?  
> UofM imposes a limit of 100 MB for a single SMTP mesage, 
> which, taking MIME encoding losses into account means that 
> users can generally send a message with at largest a single 
> 67 MB attachment.
> 
> Do you have duplicate delivery suppression enabled on your 
> IMAP server?  
> If people are forwarding large emails to other users 
> in-house, duplicate delivery suppression can potentially save 
> a lot of storage space.
> 
> Have you educated users about other ways to transfer large 
> amounts of data?  For example, dropbox-like services?  SFTP 
> to personal home directory space?  There are a variety of 
> cloud-based and in-house options.  When educating users, be 
> sure to emphasize the benefits of non-email-based methods -- 
> including faster speeds (potentially), much better security, 
> and more features.
> 
> --
>    Mark Montague
>    mark at catseye.org
> 
> 



From awilliam at opengroupware.us  Tue Mar 29 11:42:10 2011
From: awilliam at opengroupware.us (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:42:10 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
In-Reply-To: <4D91EFCB.7000404@umich.edu>
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On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 10:42 -0400, Mark Montague wrote:
> On March 29, 2011 10:16 , "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com> wrote:
> > I am seeking to force certain users into trimming back the size of their
> > email stored on the IMAP server. Much of the data itself doesn't need to be
> > stored in email long term, as it is replicated elsewhere on the network.
> > The problem is, if I just toss in a quota I am concerned that there will be
> > no warning, just suddenly they will be unable to send/receive email. Nothing
> > I am seeing the in the tools for enabling quotas suggests that the users
> > will receive any form of warning.
> > Is this true?
> Are you sure you want to impose quotas?  At the University of Michigan 
> (for example), adding another drive to an IMAP server's RAID array (or 
> upgrading the drives to higher capacity ones, if possible) is cheaper 
> than imposing and managing quotas, and then paying for the resulting end 
> user support.  Plenty of people have 5 GB, 10 GB, even 20 GB mailboxes, 
> and the very rare problem cases can usually be addressed by having a 
> chat with the offending user.  (If this sounds radical, keep in mind 
> that as of today, Google is providing 7.6 GB per user at no cost, with 
> extra space available very cheaply).

I think there is a real organizational value to making people delete
junk; but that is another argument entirely.

> - Use IMAP quotas rather than Unix filesystem quotas, if at all 
> possible.  This will give you much more "intelligence", nicer failure 
> modes, and hopefully better control.

Every client I've seen (Thunderbird, Evolution, Horde) reports IMAP
quota status.  Horde very prominantly, Evolution you have to check,
Thunderbird starts to whine at ~80%.

> - Configure your SMTP / LMTP server to hold messages for up to 7 days if 
> they cannot be delivered due to a mailbox being over quota.  

+1

> - Provide a web interface where people can check their current quota usage.

You might discover that whatever you currently use does that
automatically as soon as you turn IMAP quotas on.

> - Keep in mind that if the user uses a client that uses a Trash folder, 
> this can sometimes complicate things.  See the question "Why can't I 
> delete any messages from my over-quota mailbox?" at 
> http://www.cyrusimap.org/docs/cyrus-imapd/2.4.6/faq.php

Yes, Trash is an evil and stupid concept.  That is really the only one
that gives us grief.  But you can set Cyrus to auto-expire messages in a
folder, which works well [if you are using Cyrus].




From awilliam at opengroupware.us  Tue Mar 29 11:45:00 2011
From: awilliam at opengroupware.us (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:45:00 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
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On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 11:20 -0400, Mark Montague wrote:
> On March 29, 2011 11:07 , "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com> 
> wrote:
> > Two of the users in question receive hundreds of megabytes of data and also
> > forward to other users inhouse and out that are also into the hundreds of
> > megabytes.
> > This can quickly become an unmanageable situation.
> What size limit are you imposing on individual messages?  UofM imposes a 
> limit of 100 MB for a single SMTP mesage, which, taking MIME encoding 
> losses into account means that users can generally send a message with 
> at largest a single 67 MB attachment.
> Do you have duplicate delivery suppression enabled on your IMAP server?  

+1 This can be a huge win.

Another possible solution is to use [block-level] deduplicating storage.
A variety of SAN & NAS devices support deduplication these days.  The
reduction in storage requirements can be mind-blowing.    Or if you are
brave mount your mail store on a LessFS filesystem [which does block
level deduplication].



From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 14:15:28 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:15:28 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
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Robert Adkins II wrote:
> I am seeking to force certain users into trimming back the size of their
> email stored on the IMAP server. Much of the data itself doesn't need to be
> stored in email long term, as it is replicated elsewhere on the network.
>  
> The problem is, if I just toss in a quota I am concerned that there will be
> no warning, just suddenly they will be unable to send/receive email. Nothing
> I am seeing the in the tools for enabling quotas suggests that the users
> will receive any form of warning.
>  
> Is this true?


To answer your question, yes they do work.
When I was in college, we undergrads had a 500k soft limit,
and a 1M hard limit.  Whenever I would hit my hard limit,
then I started looking for stuff to get rid of (such as
duplicate files).  It also taught me to start using
symbolic links.

Business email system are rife with documents being sent
in e-mail from person to person, with each revision
showing up multiple times, because most users REFUSE
to just put the document in some shared-access directory,
and just mail a reference to it.

Most likely because in Windows, "shortcuts" are so
utterly screwed up and unsuitable for such purposes.
>  
> Thanks,
> Rob
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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 14:15:56 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:15:56 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quotas. How do they work?
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Robert Adkins II wrote:
> I am seeking to force certain users into trimming back the size of their
> email stored on the IMAP server. Much of the data itself doesn't need to be
> stored in email long term, as it is replicated elsewhere on the network.
>  
> The problem is, if I just toss in a quota I am concerned that there will be
> no warning, just suddenly they will be unable to send/receive email. Nothing
> I am seeing the in the tools for enabling quotas suggests that the users
> will receive any form of warning.
>  
> Is this true?


To answer your question, they work well.

When I was in college, we undergrads had a 500k soft limit,
and a 1M hard limit.  Whenever I would hit my hard limit,
then I started looking for stuff to get rid of (such as
duplicate files).  It also taught me to start using
symbolic links.

Business email system are rife with documents being sent
in e-mail from person to person, with each revision
showing up multiple times, because most users REFUSE
to just put the document in some shared-access directory,
and just mail a reference to it.

Most likely because in Windows, "shortcuts" are so
utterly screwed up and unsuitable for such purposes.
>  
> Thanks,
> Rob
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From gib at juno.com  Thu Mar 31 21:38:57 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 01:38:57 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] CPL Hack Day 2: Electric Boogaloo
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---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: Bradley Czerniak <czerniakb at cantonpl.org>
To: "'gib at juno.com'" <gib at juno.com>
Subject: CPL Hack Day 2: Electric Boogaloo
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:57:49 -0400


Gib,
 
It&rsquo;s me again. After all the fun we had at the first CPL Hack Day, our program coordinator here at the library thought it would great to have 2 hack days per year.
The next hack day will be Saturday, June 25, 2011, from 1:00-5:00PM. This is one week before Maker Faire: Detroit, which makes it a great time to rehearse and otherwise get prepared.
All event details are at http://www.cantonwiki.org/CPL_Hack_Day
 
This event will hopefully include a wide variety of hobbyists. Likewise, I&rsquo;d like to engage the three major hackerspaces in the Metro Detroit area. i3Detroit has already signed up for one table and a presentation, and I delivered an invite to OmniCorpDetroit as well.
 
I think Linux is a great fit for events like this, and your demo table and presentations from last time were well-received. If you&rsquo;re interested in coming back, we&rsquo;d be more than happy to have you.
 
Thank you for your time and consideration.
 
Sincerely,
 
Brad Czerniak
Digital Resources Developer
Canton Public Library
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