From ldaphelp at thuemmel.com  Tue Aug  2 21:59:34 2011
From: ldaphelp at thuemmel.com (Mark Thuemmel)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 21:59:34 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Discuss] Ohio LinuxFest Registration is Open for
	Business!
In-Reply-To: <CAHnui=QGeh7E-CL_1_bb6YcUFV9uv3AXJpY5VAS8KdiE10joDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHnui=QGeh7E-CL_1_bb6YcUFV9uv3AXJpY5VAS8KdiE10joDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E38AB86.6040303@thuemmel.com>

On 08/02/2011 08:35 PM, Kevin O'Brien wrote:
> The premier Linux event in the Mid-West USA will run Sept. 9 through
> Sept. 11 in Columbus, Ohio, and registration is now open to all.
> Keynoters include Cathy Malmrose, Bradley Kuhn, and Jon ?maddog? Hall.
> There is an extensive Medical track focusing on the use of Open Source
> in various aspects of medicine, training from the Ohio LinuxFest
> Institute, and a great slate of presentations. Register now and reserve
> your place. http://www.ohiolinux.org/catalog/1 .
>
> As always, we have a ?Enthusiast? category for those short on funds. If
> you pre-register at the Web site, you can join us free of charge.
> Walk-ins will be charged a small fee.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kevin B. O'Brien

I'm from Michigan and I went last year for the first time and enjoyed it 
so much I'm already booked for this year.  Asterisk/Digium guy will be 
there and Bradley Kuhn is a MUST see for the GPL/OS lovers out there.

I believe Beth Lynn, one of the OhioLinuxFest organizers, predicted the 
Linux takeover would hit critical mass this summer, will be nice to hear 
a list of all the ways John Doe uses Linux everyday, even if it's not 
the Desktop.

Looks like a good number of Linux tracks Friday and Saturday.  I'm 
getting excited.

Instead of taking the LPIC test on Sunday at a discount rate, I'll 
probably attend the Diversity in Open Source Workshop again to see how 
we can make the ladies and other diverse groups more welcome in the 
Linux community.

I hope Penguicon here in Michigan has this much Linux/OS/GPL loving 
going on next year.

Hopefully Jorge will be there Friday for UbuCon to help get the party 
rolling.  Last years parties weren?t too shabby, got my picture with Mad 
Dog and a beer....

In my world, this is a MUST attend for any Linux enthusiast in a state 
that touches Ohio.

Mark



From nadreck at palain.com  Tue Aug  2 20:35:56 2011
From: nadreck at palain.com (Kevin O'Brien)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 20:35:56 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Ohio LinuxFest Registration is Open for Business!
Message-ID: <CAHnui=QGeh7E-CL_1_bb6YcUFV9uv3AXJpY5VAS8KdiE10joDA@mail.gmail.com>

The premier Linux event in the Mid-West USA will run Sept. 9 through Sept.
11 in Columbus, Ohio, and registration is now open to all. Keynoters include
Cathy Malmrose, Bradley Kuhn, and Jon ?maddog? Hall. There is an extensive
Medical track focusing on the use of Open Source in various aspects of
medicine, training from the Ohio LinuxFest Institute, and a great slate of
presentations. Register now and reserve your place.
http://www.ohiolinux.org/catalog/1 .

As always, we have a ?Enthusiast? category for those short on funds. If you
pre-register at the Web site, you can join us free of charge. Walk-ins will
be charged a small fee.

Regards,

Kevin B. O'Brien
nadreck at palain.com


From gib at juno.com  Mon Aug  1 08:45:16 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:45:16 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] You're Invited -- TechShop Detroit Open House Events,
	This Sunday and 	 Monday!
Message-ID: <20110801.084516.26323.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>

Just another reminder.

TechShow Detroit open house tonight 8/1/2011 Noon - 8:00PM EST. 800 Republic Drive, Allen Park, MI 48101 (just behind the Lion's Football Practice field).  TechShop is a member's based do-it-yourself workshop that provides you with the tools, equipment, training and a vibrant supportative environment of creative people and staff to help bring your ideas to life.

http://TechShop.ws


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org,  discuss at mug.org
Cc: cposada at hakcomputers.com
Subject: You're Invited -- TechShop Detroit Open House Events, This Sunday and  Monday!
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 13:27:00 GMT

This weekend is Maker Faire this is a show at The Henry Ford for people who make 
stuff.

I just saw a note from TechShop. they plan to open in Dearborn in 
November. 

http://techshop.ws/ts_detroit.html

The Dearborn site has a Maker Faire Wrap Party and open house going Sunday 7/31 8Pm - 
11PM and again Monday Noon - 8 PM.  The address is 800 Republic Drive Allen Park, MI 
48101.

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From carl at carltm.com  Wed Aug  3 21:38:08 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 21:38:08 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] training spamassassin
Message-ID: <d48db01ede4791cdb0b8147cd398838e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Hi All,

I'm reading up on spamassassin and didn't realize that
it was possible to train the Bayesian filter.  Does anyone
use spamassassin that has it configured so that users can
report mis-identified messages?  That's the one thing that
I need to learn how to do before I can use it in production.

c




From rk111810 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  3 22:43:48 2011
From: rk111810 at gmail.com (R KANNAN)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 22:43:48 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Ever increasing resolv.conf file
Message-ID: <CABX2cSEzhGg2_TO7GhMFfpX2mYw7p7ipDuErRGXCTyK1zUqsZg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I had some strange problems while booting my laptop on Suse 10.1 and I
found it kept hanging. When I tried to login as root, it will hang.

Checking 'top' I found that there were a number of 'sed' processes
hogging the system resources.

Then I ran 'fsck' on all the mounted systems (reiserfs and xfs) and
they came out negative for errors.

Then I found that the sizes of 'resolv.conf' and
'resolv.conf.saved.by.dhcpd.eth0' to be 700 MB each in length. SuSE
seems to be adding more and more comment lines of the form

#
### END INFO

to this file whenever I connect to the network and backing it up as
'resolv.conf.saved.by.dhcpd.eth0'. I wonder if this is the cause of
the hang ups.

I turned it off by setting  'MODIFY_RESOLV_CONF_DYNAMICALLY="no" in
/etc/sysconfig/network/config. This seemed to have resolved the problem.

Surprising I could not find this issue by googling.


From muteid10t at gmail.com  Wed Aug  3 22:43:07 2011
From: muteid10t at gmail.com (Ron Blanchett)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 22:43:07 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] training spamassassin
In-Reply-To: <d48db01ede4791cdb0b8147cd398838e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <d48db01ede4791cdb0b8147cd398838e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <CAEv4-NnNs7x3KZ8tnO6qYdaFzTBb3LUO31C=kSijLD7gPZwnjg@mail.gmail.com>

Last time I set it up I didn't have to train it at all, I don't recall
ever having a false positive.
My last setup was put into production approx. 4 years ago.

-Ron

"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from
within what you are trying to defend from without." -- President
Dwight Eisenhower



On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Carl T. Miller <carl at carltm.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm reading up on spamassassin and didn't realize that
> it was possible to train the Bayesian filter. ?Does anyone
> use spamassassin that has it configured so that users can
> report mis-identified messages? ?That's the one thing that
> I need to learn how to do before I can use it in production.
>
> c
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>


From awilliam at whitemice.org  Thu Aug  4 08:48:02 2011
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 08:48:02 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] training spamassassin
In-Reply-To: <d48db01ede4791cdb0b8147cd398838e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <d48db01ede4791cdb0b8147cd398838e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <1312462083.10343.3.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 21:38 -0400, Carl T. Miller wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I'm reading up on spamassassin and didn't realize that
> it was possible to train the Bayesian filter.  Does anyone
> use spamassassin that has it configured so that users can
> report mis-identified messages?  That's the one thing that
> I need to learn how to do before I can use it in production.

Yes, the simplest way is to move reported SPAM/HAM to specified global
folders and to use fetchmail to pull the messages from those folders and
feed them to spamassassin.

su -l spamd --command='fetchmail --all --silent --norewrite  \
                                 --folder "Shared
Folders.departments.cis.report-ham" \
                                  --mda "sa-learn --ham"'

su -l spamd --command='fetchmail --all --silent --norewrite \
                                  --folder "Shared
Folders.departments.cis.report-spam" \
                                  --mda "sa-learn --spam"'



From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  4 10:17:44 2011
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 07:17:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Google dust up
Message-ID: <1312467464.73055.YahooMailNeo@web37902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

http://www.linkedin.com/news?actionBar=&articleID=680022834&ids=0Me3AOc38Me3oIdz8NcP4PejsSb3kMcPkUdjATdyMTejAMc38Me3oId3cUcz8Mc3wS&aag=true&freq=weekly&trk=eml-tod-b-ttle-4

My tweet:

@BradSmi? Regardless
of what you are doing LEGALLY there are a lot of computer users that don?t like
MS? and are forced to live with your
products.

Google foundation is built on Linux. It just seems that Microsoft is throwing a lot of resources to slow the progression of Linux and open source OS's.

What are you thoughts on this?

David C. Lane?

From awilliam at whitemice.org  Thu Aug  4 10:41:45 2011
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 10:41:45 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Google dust up
In-Reply-To: <1312467464.73055.YahooMailNeo@web37902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1312467464.73055.YahooMailNeo@web37902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1312468906.10343.8.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 07:17 -0700, David Lane wrote:
> http://www.linkedin.com/news?actionBar=&articleID=680022834&ids=0Me3AOc38Me3oIdz8NcP4PejsSb3kMcPkUdjATdyMTejAMc38Me3oId3cUcz8Mc3wS&aag=true&freq=weekly&trk=eml-tod-b-ttle-4
> My tweet:
> @BradSmi  Regardless
> of what you are doing LEGALLY there are a lot of computer users that don?t like
> MS  and are forced to live with your
> products.
> Google foundation is built on Linux. 

So are an inumerable number of things, including [almost certainly] your
new flat-screen TV.

> It just seems that Microsoft is throwing a lot of resources to slow the progression of Linux and open source OS's.

Bogus Bogus Bogus.  Still with the Microsoft hate?  That is so 1990s.

Microsoft has contributed substantially to Open Source.  They have
committed code to the kernel.  They actively assist Samba & OpenMAPI.
They invite Mono to the .NET conferences.   I see no evidence at all of
attempts to 'slow the progression' of Open Source beyond simply
competing in the marketplaces.

Microsoft is a proprietary software company.  So is Google.

> What are you thoughts on this?




From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  4 11:19:53 2011
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 08:19:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Google dust up
In-Reply-To: <1312468906.10343.8.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
References: <1312467464.73055.YahooMailNeo@web37902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1312468906.10343.8.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
Message-ID: <1312471193.32731.YahooMailNeo@web37901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Not really hate. Frustration.

I have had systems admins force the migration Windows for services that are working just fine, Talking about "Support."


In the case of Windows phones, my Samsung Black Jack II just stopped working (Windows mobile), Nothing was wrong with the hardware.? I replaced it with an HTC Android? phone.
I love it. Android has made a dent in the market share. I wonder why?? 


I put my money where my mouth is, not only do I down load Linux I buy it.?

Yes in the 90's Google chose Linux because it could not afford the licensing model Of Microsoft with 8,000 servers and a few licenses bought and modified Linux for performance. Something you could NEVER do with MS Windows. The flexibility of Linux has made its way into a lot of places in our lives in a lot of ways making the produce competitive.??

In this case I will VOTE for Google/Linux with my wallet.



________________________________
From: Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam at whitemice.org>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Google dust up

On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 07:17 -0700, David Lane wrote:
> http://www.linkedin.com/news?actionBar=&articleID=680022834&ids=0Me3AOc38Me3oIdz8NcP4PejsSb3kMcPkUdjATdyMTejAMc38Me3oId3cUcz8Mc3wS&aag=true&freq=weekly&trk=eml-tod-b-ttle-4
> My tweet:
> @BradSmi? Regardless
> of what you are doing LEGALLY there are a lot of computer users that don?t like
> MS? and are forced to live with your
> products.
> Google foundation is built on Linux. 

So are an inumerable number of things, including [almost certainly] your
new flat-screen TV.

> It just seems that Microsoft is throwing a lot of resources to slow the progression of Linux and open source OS's.

Bogus Bogus Bogus.? Still with the Microsoft hate?? That is so 1990s.

Microsoft has contributed substantially to Open Source.? They have
committed code to the kernel.? They actively assist Samba & OpenMAPI.
They invite Mono to the .NET conferences.?  I see no evidence at all of
attempts to 'slow the progression' of Open Source beyond simply
competing in the marketplaces.

Microsoft is a proprietary software company.? So is Google.

> What are you thoughts on this?


_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug

From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 11:38:25 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 11:38:25 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Ever increasing resolv.conf file
In-Reply-To: <CABX2cSEzhGg2_TO7GhMFfpX2mYw7p7ipDuErRGXCTyK1zUqsZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABX2cSEzhGg2_TO7GhMFfpX2mYw7p7ipDuErRGXCTyK1zUqsZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E3ABCF1.5000306@gmail.com>

R KANNAN wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I had some strange problems while booting my laptop on Suse 10.1 and I
> found it kept hanging. When I tried to login as root, it will hang.
> 
> Checking 'top' I found that there were a number of 'sed' processes
> hogging the system resources.
> 
> Then I ran 'fsck' on all the mounted systems (reiserfs and xfs) and
> they came out negative for errors.
> 
> Then I found that the sizes of 'resolv.conf' and
> 'resolv.conf.saved.by.dhcpd.eth0' to be 700 MB each in length. SuSE
> seems to be adding more and more comment lines of the form
> 
> #
> ### END INFO
> 
> to this file whenever I connect to the network and backing it up as
> 'resolv.conf.saved.by.dhcpd.eth0'. I wonder if this is the cause of
> the hang ups.
> 
> I turned it off by setting  'MODIFY_RESOLV_CONF_DYNAMICALLY="no" in
> /etc/sysconfig/network/config. This seemed to have resolved the problem.
> 
> Surprising I could not find this issue by googling.

Don't know, but SuSE 10.1 hasn't been current since the
fall of 2006, and SuSE stopped supplying patches and
updates for it in 2007.  You should probably update
your system -- there's been a lot of water under the
bridge -- in terms of vulnerability patches, etc.
since then.



From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  4 12:21:28 2011
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:21:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books
Message-ID: <1312474888.66464.YahooMailNeo@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I just wanted feed back on Suse 11.4 on note books. 


1. Does it find network cards?
2. Does it support Web cams? 


David C. Lane 

From mat.enders at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 12:30:08 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 16:30:08 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books
In-Reply-To: <1312474888.66464.YahooMailNeo@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1312474888.66464.YahooMailNeo@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <590466131-1312475409-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1247080948-@b25.c27.bise6.blackberry>

My son runs it on his Dell with no issues wireless just worked. He does not use a webcam. 
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: David Lane <dcl400m at yahoo.com>
Sender: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:21:28 
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list<mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: David Lane <dcl400m at yahoo.com>,
	MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books

I just wanted feed back on Suse 11.4 on note books. 


1. Does it find network cards?
2. Does it support Web cams? 


David C. Lane 
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug

From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  4 12:45:59 2011
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:45:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books
In-Reply-To: <590466131-1312475409-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1247080948-@b25.c27.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1312474888.66464.YahooMailNeo@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<590466131-1312475409-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1247080948-@b25.c27.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <1312476359.53873.YahooMailNeo@web37906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm thinking about it because I will be getting a note book with a built-in wireless and webcam. 


Video meeting and support is a wonderful thing.



________________________________
From: "mat.enders at gmail.com" <mat.enders at gmail.com>
To: David Lane <dcl400m at yahoo.com>; MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books

My son runs it on his Dell with no issues wireless just worked. He does not use a webcam. 
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: David Lane <dcl400m at yahoo.com>
Sender: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:21:28 
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list<mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: David Lane <dcl400m at yahoo.com>,
??? MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books

I just wanted feed back on Suse 11.4 on note books. 


1. Does it find network cards?
2. Does it support Web cams? 


David C. Lane 
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug 

From tesral at wowway.com  Thu Aug  4 12:52:49 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:52:49 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Lightweight portable security
Message-ID: <4E3ACE61.2030009@wowway.com>

FYI I have added this distro to the library.

Lightweight Portable Security (LPS) creates a secure end node from
trusted media on almost any Intel-based computer (PC or Mac). LPS boots
a thin Linux operating system from a CD or USB flash stick without
mounting a local hard drive. Administrator privileges are not required;
nothing is installed. The ATSPI Technology Office created the LPS family
to address particular use cases. LPS-Public is a safer, general-purpose
solution for using web-based applications. The accredited LPS-Remote
Access <https://spi.dod.mil/COOP/DoD_reg_SSL.htm> is only for accessing
your organization's private network.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From tesral at wowway.com  Thu Aug  4 12:58:48 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:58:48 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books
In-Reply-To: <1312474888.66464.YahooMailNeo@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1312474888.66464.YahooMailNeo@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4E3ACFC8.7040704@wowway.com>

David Lane wrote:
> I just wanted feed back on Suse 11.4 on note books. 
>
>
> 1. Does it find network cards?
> 2. Does it support Web cams? 
>   

I'm working an install of openSuSE 11.4 into shape on my laptop right
now.  (Lenovo T-61)

1:  Yes it found the network card right off the bat, so far no issues.

2:  It should, as Suse 11.0 did.  I have not tried to use my web cam yet.

TAC:  Typing Around Cat.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From awilliam at whitemice.org  Thu Aug  4 14:13:34 2011
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 14:13:34 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books
In-Reply-To: <1312474888.66464.YahooMailNeo@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1312474888.66464.YahooMailNeo@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1312481616.8554.4.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 09:21 -0700, David Lane wrote:
> I just wanted feed back on Suse 11.4 on note books. 

I assume you mean openSUSE 11.4, because there is no such thing as Suse
11.4.  SuSE != openSUSE

I've used openSUSE exclusively on my laptop(s) for years.  It has the
best hardware support, best management tools, and smoothest installation
of any distribution - full stop.  It also ships the normal stack rather
than cobbling together something of its own.

> 1. Does it find network cards?

Yes, but it depends of course.  Don't buy a laptop with a piece-of-crap
NIC/WIC.

Buy hardware to work with your software; do not try to find software to
work on your hardware.

> 2. Does it support Web cams? 

Yes.  I just start Cheese and there I am.  No setup required.  I plug in
my external webcam and Cheese offers me two input sources - both work.
Zero setup.



From petertheplumber at att.net  Thu Aug  4 15:09:59 2011
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 15:09:59 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books
In-Reply-To: <1312481616.8554.4.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
References: <1312474888.66464.YahooMailNeo@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1312481616.8554.4.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
Message-ID: <20110804150959.4e31f0bd@peter-eee>

On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 14:13:34 -0400
Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam at whitemice.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 09:21 -0700, David Lane wrote:
> > I just wanted feed back on Suse 11.4 on note books. 
> 
> I assume you mean openSUSE 11.4, because there is no such thing as
> Suse 11.4.  SuSE != openSUSE
> 
> I've used openSUSE exclusively on my laptop(s) for years.  It has the
> best hardware support, best management tools, and smoothest
> installation of any distribution - full stop.  It also ships the
> normal stack rather than cobbling together something of its own.
> 
> > 1. Does it find network cards?
> 
> Yes, but it depends of course.  Don't buy a laptop with a
> piece-of-crap NIC/WIC.
> 
> Buy hardware to work with your software; do not try to find software
> to work on your hardware.
> 
> > 2. Does it support Web cams? 
> 
> Yes.  I just start Cheese and there I am.  No setup required.  I plug
> in my external webcam and Cheese offers me two input sources - both
> work. Zero setup.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug

	I'll echo Adams assessment. I have two openSUSE 11.4 64 bit
	installations working, one on a T61 Thinkpad w/an external
	camera and the other on a P205 Toshiba Satellite w/a built in
	camera. The fingerprint readers are rather finicky, but
	otherwise it just works. 

-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber
<petertheplumber at att.net>


From tony at bemushosting.com  Fri Aug  5 09:48:42 2011
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 09:48:42 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [ubuntu-us-mi] BarCamp Grand Rapids]
Message-ID: <1312552122.28415.1.camel@bemus-tony>

I went to the Grand Rapids Barcamp a few years ago and I loved it.  You
should look at this.  I won't be able to go because I will be on
vacation but I'm sure if there are a few people interested then you can
car pool to Grand Rapids.

Tony 

-------- Forwarded Message --------
From: Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com>
Reply-to: Ubuntu Michigan Local Community Team
<ubuntu-us-mi at lists.ubuntu.com>
To: Ubuntu Michigan LoCo <ubuntu-us-mi at lists.ubuntu.com>
Subject: [ubuntu-us-mi] BarCamp Grand Rapids
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 09:15:18 -0400

For all of you West Michigan lurkers and East-siders that don't mind
driving a couple of hours to the experience the most funnest
conference in Grand Rapids:

---

Rule #1 of BarCamp: you DO talk about BarCamp.

http://barcampgr.org/

We're proud to announce Grand Rapids' sixth BarCamp. BarCamp is a
technology & design unconference where the campers (you) determine
what's on the schedule. This ad-hoc unconference is an intense event
with discussions, demos, and a chance to interact with fellow
attendees. Anyone with something to contribute or with the desire to
learn is welcome and invited to participate.

Although most of the talks are about computers and programming, we've
also had talks topics like home brewing beer, lasers, startups, and
management. There's really no telling what will be talked about - it's
up to you to and your fellow campers!

If you've been to BarCampGR in the past, you know how great it is.
Well this year we have a few new things to make it even more awesome.

Online Session Grid
Don't worry, we're not getting rid of the trusty old paper and marker
session grid you've grown to love. We're just adding to it. We'll have
a URL you can visit on your computer or smartphone to see a picture of
the session grid without having to crowd into the hallway. We may even
have an Android app!

Wall of Groups
One wall will be set aside as a place to hang up a letter-sized poster
for a group you represent. If you lead a user group, technical group,
or just a group that you think might appeal to BarCampers, bring along
a letter-sized poster to hang on the wall. You will probably want to
include contact information so interested campers can join up. There
will also be a place to list groups you'd be interested in joining,
but that don't exist yet.

Book Swap
This year we're having a book swap and donation. Bring exactly 2
technical books to BarCamp and leave them on the designated table. You
can then pick 1 or 0 books from the table some time before you leave.
Those books remaining at the end of BarCamp will be donated to the
local library system for all of the up-and-coming geeks to enjoy.

WHEN: Friday evening, August 19 and Saturday, August 20, 2011

WHERE: DeVos Communications Center, Calvin College, Grand Rapids, MI

COST: Free! But everyone is encouraged to present something and be
involved, even if you've never given a talk before.

WHAT: ??? -- ultimately each camper has an opportunity to help
determine the content.

You can register and find out more information about BarCamp Grand
Rapids at http://barcampgr.org/, or about BarCamps in general at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp

-- 
 Ben Rousch
   brousch at gmail.com
   http://clusterbleep.net/




From ldaphelp at thuemmel.com  Fri Aug  5 20:48:49 2011
From: ldaphelp at thuemmel.com (Mark Thuemmel)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 20:48:49 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Las Vegas man accused of mass spamming on Facebook
In-Reply-To: <1312552122.28415.1.camel@bemus-tony>
References: <1312552122.28415.1.camel@bemus-tony>
Message-ID: <4E3C8F71.3090002@thuemmel.com>

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9OU78100.htm

Sanford Wallace is apparently at it again.


From gib at juno.com  Fri Aug  5 21:46:13 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 01:46:13 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Lightweight portable security
Message-ID: <20110805.214613.13468.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com>

That sounds like a great solution for use of a public computer, say in a library.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Garry Stahl <tesral at wowway.com>
To: MDLUG Main <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] Lightweight portable security
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:52:49 -0400

FYI I have added this distro to the library.

Lightweight Portable Security (LPS) creates a secure end node from
trusted media on almost any Intel-based computer (PC or Mac). LPS boots
a thin Linux operating system from a CD or USB flash stick without
mounting a local hard drive. Administrator privileges are not required;
nothing is installed. The ATSPI Technology Office created the LPS family
to address particular use cases. LPS-Public is a safer, general-purpose
solution for using web-based applications. The accredited LPS-Remote
Access <https://spi.dod.mil/COOP/DoD_reg_SSL.htm> is only for accessing
your organization's private network.

-- 
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From gib at juno.com  Fri Aug  5 21:47:41 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 01:47:41 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books
Message-ID: <20110805.214741.13468.2@webmail16.vgs.untd.com>

You can buy small web cams at Microcenter.com cheap ($15).  They seem to work right out of the box on Ubuntu so I'd have high expectations on SuSe too.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Garry Stahl <tesral at wowway.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:58:48 -0400

David Lane wrote:
> I just wanted feed back on Suse 11.4 on note books. 
>
>
> 1. Does it find network cards?
> 2. Does it support Web cams? 
>   

I'm working an install of openSuSE 11.4 into shape on my laptop right
now.  (Lenovo T-61)

1:  Yes it found the network card right off the bat, so far no issues.

2:  It should, as Suse 11.0 did.  I have not tried to use my web cam yet.

TAC:  Typing Around Cat.

-- 
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Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
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From carl at carltm.com  Fri Aug  5 21:54:44 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 21:54:44 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [ubuntu-us-mi] BarCamp Grand Rapids]
In-Reply-To: <1312552122.28415.1.camel@bemus-tony>
References: <1312552122.28415.1.camel@bemus-tony>
Message-ID: <45eb9f6b78aa773a03b290221d301328.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Tony Bemus wrote:
> I went to the Grand Rapids Barcamp a few years ago and I loved it.  You
> should look at this.  I won't be able to go because I will be on
> vacation but I'm sure if there are a few people interested then you can
> car pool to Grand Rapids.

Agreed!  I've been to four of them, and I can't wait
for the next.  It's great to just hang out with a bunch
of interesting people talking about what they do and
what's new.

> You can register and find out more information about BarCamp Grand
> Rapids at http://barcampgr.org/, or about BarCamps in general at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp
>
> --
>  Ben Rousch
>    brousch at gmail.com
>    http://clusterbleep.net/




From gib at juno.com  Fri Aug  5 21:54:32 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 01:54:32 GMT
Subject: [mdlug]  SUSE 11.4 on note books
Message-ID: <20110805.215432.13468.4@webmail16.vgs.untd.com>

In our last Mug.org meeting I plugged this cam in and downloaded Cheese and started it right up without issue:

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0332678
 

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam at whitemice.org>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: Re: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 14:13:34 -0400

On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 09:21 -0700, David Lane wrote:
> I just wanted feed back on Suse 11.4 on note books. 

I assume you mean openSUSE 11.4, because there is no such thing as Suse
11.4.  SuSE != openSUSE

I've used openSUSE exclusively on my laptop(s) for years.  It has the
best hardware support, best management tools, and smoothest installation
of any distribution - full stop.  It also ships the normal stack rather
than cobbling together something of its own.

> 1. Does it find network cards?

Yes, but it depends of course.  Don't buy a laptop with a piece-of-crap
NIC/WIC.

Buy hardware to work with your software; do not try to find software to
work on your hardware.

> 2. Does it support Web cams? 

Yes.  I just start Cheese and there I am.  No setup required.  I plug in
my external webcam and Cheese offers me two input sources - both work.
Zero setup.

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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  5 23:45:16 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 23:45:16 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books
In-Reply-To: <1312474888.66464.YahooMailNeo@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1312474888.66464.YahooMailNeo@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4E3CB8CC.3050807@gmail.com>

David Lane wrote:
> I just wanted feed back on Suse 11.4 on note books. 
> 
> 
> 1. Does it find network cards?
> 2. Does it support Web cams? 


Works great on my HP dv8000 series laptop.

Network interface chips and web cams are identical
regardless of the size of the computer.


From tesral at wowway.com  Sat Aug  6 01:30:15 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 01:30:15 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books
In-Reply-To: <20110805.214741.13468.2@webmail16.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20110805.214741.13468.2@webmail16.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4E3CD167.9090009@wowway.com>

gib at juno.com wrote:
> You can buy small web cams at Microcenter.com cheap ($15).  They seem to work right out of the box on Ubuntu so I'd have high expectations on SuSe too.
>   

I have one, but have not used it as of yet.  The webcam is low on my
list of priorities.

-- 
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Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Sat Aug  6 02:42:53 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 02:42:53 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books
In-Reply-To: <4E3CD167.9090009@wowway.com>
References: <20110805.214741.13468.2@webmail16.vgs.untd.com>
	<4E3CD167.9090009@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <4E3CE26D.3060206@gmail.com>

Garry Stahl wrote:
> gib at juno.com wrote:
>> You can buy small web cams at Microcenter.com cheap ($15).  They seem to work right out of the box on Ubuntu so I'd have high expectations on SuSe too.
>>   
> 
> I have one, but have not used it as of yet.  The webcam is low on my
> list of priorities.
> 

It takes about 30 seconds to test one

1: plug in webcam
2: $ cheese


From tesral at wowway.com  Sat Aug  6 02:33:27 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 02:33:27 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books
In-Reply-To: <4E3CE26D.3060206@gmail.com>
References: <20110805.214741.13468.2@webmail16.vgs.untd.com>	<4E3CD167.9090009@wowway.com>
	<4E3CE26D.3060206@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E3CE037.9020907@wowway.com>

Aaron Kulkis wrote:

> It takes about 30 seconds to test one
>
> 1: plug in webcam
> 2: $ cheese

Like I said, low.

-- 
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Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From fulner at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 12:57:50 2011
From: fulner at gmail.com (Robert Jim Fulner)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:57:50 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Magic Linux Metadata normalizer
In-Reply-To: <4E310136.9070208@gmail.com>
References: <4E310136.9070208@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGiHCwON1da-4FQ19kUjXwt5M4nL-BUnKN83cPy7RK0yGgXoLA@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Robert Jim Fulner <fulner at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 2:27 AM
Subject: Magic Linux Metadata normalizer
To: mdlug at mdlug.org


Greetings,

OK, so I'm hoping that such a thing actually exists, thought I'd be
surprised. In the past though, many of you have surprised me beyond my
wildest dreams.

So for years I've had a strange hodge podge of a music library. I have
no consistency at all in the way stuff is marked. I have several
directors, labeled MP3 and Music that have a bunch of random files in
them. Some of these files have the correct meta data, most have, some
sort of meta data (I remember for a while when most every I had was
marked as "Blues" for genre simply becuase it was first
alphabetically).

I'm wondering if there is any magic GNU/Linux music normalizer. And by
that I mean some sort of application or trick that will force my
machine to go in and reorder everything the way its "suposed to"
Something like /full-path-to-music-library/Artist/Album/Track#_TrackTitle.ogg
and/or take some of that information that is include in some of the
file names (or whatever) and rewrite the metadata "correctly". No, I
have no idea how something like that would even work in theory, guess
I'll but my money on Penguin Voodoo.

When searching the Internet all I learned is that the word normalize
means something quite different than how I intended it to.

I guess the biggest reason I have decided to care is that when I
connect my Android to the car radio half of my songs show up with the
album art from Madonna's "Music" album. Although it was funny at
first, the humor factor has kind of wore off.


--
==
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From ldaphelp at thuemmel.com  Wed Aug 10 13:08:36 2011
From: ldaphelp at thuemmel.com (Mark Thuemmel)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 13:08:36 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Magic Linux Metadata normalizer
In-Reply-To: <CAGiHCwON1da-4FQ19kUjXwt5M4nL-BUnKN83cPy7RK0yGgXoLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E310136.9070208@gmail.com>
	<CAGiHCwON1da-4FQ19kUjXwt5M4nL-BUnKN83cPy7RK0yGgXoLA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E42BB14.8050502@thuemmel.com>

On 08/10/2011 12:57 PM, Robert Jim Fulner wrote:
> I'm wondering if there is any magic GNU/Linux music normalizer. And by
> that I mean some sort of application or trick that will force my
> machine to go in and reorder everything the way its "suposed to"
> Something like /full-path-to-music-library/Artist/Album/Track#_TrackTitle.ogg
> and/or take some of that information that is include in some of the
> file names (or whatever) and rewrite the metadata "correctly". No, I
> have no idea how something like that would even work in theory, guess
> Jim Fulner

Have you looked at MusicBrainz Picard


From radkins at impelind.com  Fri Aug 12 10:50:50 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 10:50:50 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
Message-ID: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>

I am starting the initial planning process for building the next fileserver
here.
 
This one will be built using actual "server" hardward, as opposed to the
light server/big bad desktop hardware that I have been using.
 
My intention is to have one internal drive containing the OS, configuration,
etc., etc. and a series of externally accessible Hotplug drives. Two will be
in a RAID 1 set containing partitions separating the various datashares. The
remaining hot plug bays will be used for nightly/bi-nightly or even just
weekly back-up purposes.
 
Anyone here have familiarity with particular server mainboard manufacturers
that support such a setup on Linux out of the box with a default kernel?
(Yeah, I can easily build a kernel, but if I don't have to in order to get
things up and running, why should I?)
 
Thank you,
Rob


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From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Fri Aug 12 16:25:05 2011
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:25:05 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
Message-ID: <CAD39dTYvsY3RAMTN5wUxpHhNgJWrtt3Je1nyR2KohFfVVeAnoA@mail.gmail.com>

ASUS desktop MBs often support non-registered ECC memory which only
costs slightly more (Kingston ValueRAM) than non-ECC.  The only reason
to use a server MB is for registered RAM which is only useful for very
large amounts of memory.  A system management module can be useful for
remote control but it's not hard to work without one.

With NAS and blade servers "big-box" systems are rather obsolete.


From radkins at impelind.com  Fri Aug 12 16:59:14 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:59:14 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <CAD39dTYvsY3RAMTN5wUxpHhNgJWrtt3Je1nyR2KohFfVVeAnoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
	<CAD39dTYvsY3RAMTN5wUxpHhNgJWrtt3Je1nyR2KohFfVVeAnoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63F0DFAD11204492BFA382D46F0EFFF4@Delta7>

I suppose that I can investigate NAS.

I'm not finding anything specifically talking about controlling login access
in conjunction with a Domain Controller, running Samba on Linux, thus far.

-Rob
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Hanson
> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 4:25 PM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
> 
> ASUS desktop MBs often support non-registered ECC memory 
> which only costs slightly more (Kingston ValueRAM) than 
> non-ECC.  The only reason to use a server MB is for 
> registered RAM which is only useful for very large amounts of 
> memory.  A system management module can be useful for remote 
> control but it's not hard to work without one.
> 
> With NAS and blade servers "big-box" systems are rather obsolete.
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From ldaphelp at thuemmel.com  Fri Aug 12 21:46:48 2011
From: ldaphelp at thuemmel.com (Mark Thuemmel)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 21:46:48 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
Message-ID: <4E45D788.8040002@thuemmel.com>

On 08/12/2011 10:50 AM, Robert Adkins II wrote:
> I am starting the initial planning process for building the next fileserver
> here.
>
> This one will be built using actual "server" hardward, as opposed to the
> light server/big bad desktop hardware that I have been using.
>
> My intention is to have one internal drive containing the OS, configuration,
> etc., etc. and a series of externally accessible Hotplug drives. Two will be
> in a RAID 1 set containing partitions separating the various datashares. The
> remaining hot plug bays will be used for nightly/bi-nightly or even just
> weekly back-up purposes.
>
> Anyone here have familiarity with particular server mainboard manufacturers
> that support such a setup on Linux out of the box with a default kernel?
> (Yeah, I can easily build a kernel, but if I don't have to in order to get
> things up and running, why should I?)
>

You might want to detail a few more goals;

Is "here" at your business, or personal home use?

what is a "actual server" exactly?  Listed for sale in the "server" 
section of Dell or HP?  Like built to run 24x7, "server class"?

why do you need hotplug drives?  is your uptime requirement so much that 
you can't power down and remove a few screws?

How are you plugging the drives in, and what kind are they?  You need 
super fast 15000 rpm scsi drives, or going cheap with 5400 rpm drives?

Are you thinking ESATA or USB3 or what?

What is the capacity you need total?  Is this one or two terabytes, or 
enough to store your whole porn collection in HD?

Is this rack mounted?

How are you planning to backup?

How often are you going to change the configuration of the drives?


Overall, consider getting a used "server" box with lots of drive bays 
that had Linux support from the manufacturer when they were originally 
sold.  IBM, HP, Dell have made lots of boxes that came with Linux a 
couple of years ago that can be found cheap and have lots of connectors 
for hard drives.

Me, being the dangerous type, might look at a good Linux compatable 
esata card with the raid and number of drives I wanted, and a usb 3.0 
card  for backup external drives.  Then build my own box with a 8 or 16 
HD enclosure 4U case for SATA drives.  I'd buy a nice NIC or two and any 
old motherboard/cpu.  Probably jack the memory up to 8 gig just becuse. 
  I don't need dual power supplies, but a nice UPS is required.

Don't even get me started on iSCSI and it's advantages for enterprise.


From gib at juno.com  Fri Aug 12 21:58:43 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 01:58:43 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
Message-ID: <20110812.215843.1672.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>

Sounds like this would be an interesting project to talk about in our monthly meeting.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com>
To: "'MDLUG's Main discussion list'" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 10:50:50 -0400

I am starting the initial planning process for building the next fileserver
here.
 
This one will be built using actual "server" hardward, as opposed to the
light server/big bad desktop hardware that I have been using.
 
My intention is to have one internal drive containing the OS, configuration,
etc., etc. and a series of externally accessible Hotplug drives. Two will be
in a RAID 1 set containing partitions separating the various datashares. The
remaining hot plug bays will be used for nightly/bi-nightly or even just
weekly back-up purposes.
 
Anyone here have familiarity with particular server mainboard manufacturers
that support such a setup on Linux out of the box with a default kernel?
(Yeah, I can easily build a kernel, but if I don't have to in order to get
things up and running, why should I?)
 
Thank you,
Rob
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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 13 14:06:41 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:06:41 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
Message-ID: <4E46BD31.3010006@gmail.com>

Robert Adkins II wrote:
> I am starting the initial planning process for building the next fileserver
> here.
>
> This one will be built using actual "server" hardward, as opposed to the
> light server/big bad desktop hardware that I have been using.
>
> My intention is to have one internal drive containing the OS, configuration,
> etc., etc. and a series of externally accessible Hotplug drives. Two will be
> in a RAID 1 set containing partitions separating the various datashares. The
> remaining hot plug bays will be used for nightly/bi-nightly or even just
> weekly back-up purposes.
>

Unless your purpose is to have multiple machines accessing the
same files, and hitting them pretty hard, this will actually result
in slower response on your primary desktop machine.

Even NFS or Samba over gigabit ethernet is slow compared to
a directly connected disk on a SATA port, or even EIDEIDE.

What I would do is to make this a "backup server" which
automatically conducts backups via some mechanism such
as remote execution and/or rsync, and copying the desired
data onto the fileserver.


> Anyone here have familiarity with particular server mainboard manufacturers
> that support such a setup on Linux out of the box with a default kernel?

I strongly support Gigabyte's products.  And almost all of them
have E-SATA plugs.

> (Yeah, I can easily build a kernel, but if I don't have to in order to get
> things up and running, why should I?)

openSUSE.

>
> Thank you,
> Rob
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From awilliam at whitemice.org  Sat Aug 13 19:32:25 2011
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:32:25 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
Message-ID: <1313278351.3212.3.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Fri, 2011-08-12 at 10:50 -0400, Robert Adkins II wrote: 
> This one will be built using actual "server" hardward, as opposed to the
> light server/big bad desktop hardware that I have been using.
> My intention is to have one internal drive containing the OS, configuration,
> etc., etc. and a series of externally accessible Hotplug drives. Two will be
> in a RAID 1 set containing partitions separating the various datashares. The
> remaining hot plug bays will be used for nightly/bi-nightly or even just
> weekly back-up purposes.

Verifying good compatibility for hot-plug / multi-drive solutions is a
nightmware; let someone else do it for you.

<http://www.siliconmechanics.com/c1246/rack-server-products.php>

> Anyone here have familiarity with particular server mainboard manufacturers
> that support such a setup on Linux out of the box with a default kernel?

It is *way* beyond that;  drive [firmware] compatibility really matters
for hot-swap situations.  Buy enough drives to fill your array - and a
couple of extras - when you purchase the server.  Finding known
compatible drives later can be a real nuisance.  And slight
incompatibilities can cause performance issues that are very hard to
track down as well as spontaneous 'mystery failures'.

> (Yeah, I can easily build a kernel, but if I don't have to in order to get
> things up and running, why should I?)

The kernel isn't the problem;  the hardware [motherboard chipset +
controller + drives] is the problem.



From awilliam at whitemice.org  Sat Aug 13 19:36:12 2011
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:36:12 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <4E45D788.8040002@thuemmel.com>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
	<4E45D788.8040002@thuemmel.com>
Message-ID: <1313278578.3212.6.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Fri, 2011-08-12 at 21:46 -0400, Mark Thuemmel wrote:
> why do you need hotplug drives?  is your uptime requirement so much that 
> you can't power down and remove a few screws?

I'd always go hot-plug, that way I can just swap the drives at 9AM
[drives *always* seem to fail at night] rather than having to schedule
an after-hours visit.



From awilliam at whitemice.org  Sat Aug 13 19:40:51 2011
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:40:51 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <4E46BD31.3010006@gmail.com>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
	<4E46BD31.3010006@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1313278857.3212.11.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Sat, 2011-08-13 at 14:06 -0400, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> Robert Adkins II wrote:
> > My intention is to have one internal drive containing the OS, configuration,
> > etc., etc. and a series of externally accessible Hotplug drives. Two will be
> > in a RAID 1 set containing partitions separating the various datashares. The
> > remaining hot plug bays will be used for nightly/bi-nightly or even just
> > weekly back-up purposes.
> Unless your purpose is to have multiple machines accessing the
> same files, and hitting them pretty hard, this will actually result
> in slower response on your primary desktop machine.
> Even NFS or Samba over gigabit ethernet is slow compared to
> a directly connected disk on a SATA port, or even EIDEIDE.

True.  But you may not notice.

> What I would do is to make this a "backup server" which
> automatically conducts backups via some mechanism such
> as remote execution and/or rsync, and copying the desired
> data onto the fileserver.

For backups I'd recommend looking at SDFS/OpenDedeup.
<http://wmmi.net/documents/OpenDedup.pdf>
<http://www.opendedup.org/>

> > Anyone here have familiarity with particular server mainboard manufacturers
> > that support such a setup on Linux out of the box with a default kernel?
> I strongly support Gigabyte's products.  And almost all of them
> have E-SATA plugs.

I fervently recommend *against* white-box solutions.  Always.  Never
build yourself.  It is no longer reasonable [or maybe not even possible]
to white-box yourself to a stable server.  Versions, specs, and
firmwares change way to fast to for anyone to do a proper job unless
that is what-they-do.

> > (Yeah, I can easily build a kernel, but if I don't have to in order to get
> > things up and running, why should I?)
> openSUSE.

+1 (openSUSE)



From awilliam at whitemice.org  Sat Aug 13 19:56:40 2011
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:56:40 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Magic Linux Metadata normalizer
In-Reply-To: <CAGiHCwON1da-4FQ19kUjXwt5M4nL-BUnKN83cPy7RK0yGgXoLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E310136.9070208@gmail.com>
	<CAGiHCwON1da-4FQ19kUjXwt5M4nL-BUnKN83cPy7RK0yGgXoLA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1313279803.3212.13.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 12:57 -0400, Robert Jim Fulner wrote:
> So for years I've had a strange hodge podge of a music library. I have
> no consistency at all in the way stuff is marked. I have several
> directors, labeled MP3 and Music that have a bunch of random files in
> them. Some of these files have the correct meta data, most have, some
> sort of meta data (I remember for a while when most every I had was
> marked as "Blues" for genre simply becuase it was first
> alphabetically).
> I'm wondering if there is any magic GNU/Linux music normalizer. And by
> that I mean some sort of application or trick that will force my
> machine to go in and reorder everything the way its "suposed to"
> Something like /full-path-to-music-library/Artist/Album/Track#_TrackTitle.ogg
> and/or take some of that information that is include in some of the
> file names (or whatever) and rewrite the metadata "correctly". No, I
> have no idea how something like that would even work in theory, guess
> I'll but my money on Penguin Voodoo.

Just import your music into Banshee and it will organize it for you.  It
also includes a meta-data editor for fixing tracks with missing or
munged meta-data.
<http://banshee.fm/>



From gib at juno.com  Sun Aug 14 20:52:13 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 00:52:13 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Internet position relates to closeness to Wall Street trades
Message-ID: <20110814.205213.3929.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>

I thought this was interesting:

http://www.ted.com/talks/kevin_slavin_how_algorithms_shape_our_world.html

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From radkins at impelind.com  Mon Aug 15 08:43:46 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:43:46 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <4E45D788.8040002@thuemmel.com>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
	<4E45D788.8040002@thuemmel.com>
Message-ID: <7DE184DFC12F41F89FF4FF6F2BDD6376@Delta7>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Mark Thuemmel
> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:47 PM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
> 
> 
> You might want to detail a few more goals;
> 
> Is "here" at your business, or personal home use?
> 

	Business Server.

	Total of 30 users simultaneously hitting multiple sized files and
low-end crap applications that run their own database and can share access
to the file over a network on a shared disk.

	I have been running such a setup for almost 12 years now, using
desktop hardware. The initial "server", which replaced a more powerful, in
absolute hardware terms, Windows NT 4.0 server, provided file access
considerably faster. That was almost 12 years ago.

	That server is long since dead.

	I attempt to replace the "server" hardware every 3 or so years, to
avoid suffering catastrophic hardware failures that bring the whole network
down, direct me to focus singly on build a new server while being pestered
every 5 minutes about whether or not it is done yet. On those days, if I had
a taser with enough juice to hit 65 people, it would be drained within
minutes.

> what is a "actual server" exactly?  Listed for sale in the "server" 
> section of Dell or HP?  Like built to run 24x7, "server class"?
> 

	Nothing over the top.

> why do you need hotplug drives?  is your uptime requirement 
> so much that you can't power down and remove a few screws?
> 

	I want my weekends.

	I would rather leave the server up and running, have it scripted to
duplicate the important data over night and then when I am in the next day,
unmount a disk, take it out and put a different disk in. Then take a disk
home every day and back every day.

> How are you plugging the drives in, and what kind are they?  
> You need super fast 15000 rpm scsi drives, or going cheap 
> with 5400 rpm drives?
> 

	7200 to 10000rpm drives will be perfectly fine.

> Are you thinking ESATA or USB3 or what?
> 

	I am thinking SATA.

> What is the capacity you need total?  Is this one or two 
> terabytes, or enough to store your whole porn collection in HD?
> 
	
	1 TB will be plenty of storage capacity.

> Is this rack mounted?
> 

	There's not really room for a rack mount setup in the closet. 

> How are you planning to backup?

	Copying to a drive every night and swapping the drive out in the
morning.

> 
> How often are you going to change the configuration of the drives?
> 

	Every few days for the back-up drives, almost never for the data
serving drives.

> Overall, consider getting a used "server" box with lots of 
> drive bays that had Linux support from the manufacturer when 
> they were originally sold.  IBM, HP, Dell have made lots of 
> boxes that came with Linux a couple of years ago that can be 
> found cheap and have lots of connectors for hard drives.
> 

	I would rather not go with used, old hardware. Granted, special
built server hardware is significantly better than tasking desktop
mainboards to act as a server.

> Me, being the dangerous type, might look at a good Linux 
> compatable esata card with the raid and number of drives I 
> wanted, and a usb 3.0 card  for backup external drives.  Then 
> build my own box with a 8 or 16 HD enclosure 4U case for SATA 
> drives.  I'd buy a nice NIC or two and any old 
> motherboard/cpu.  Probably jack the memory up to 8 gig just becuse. 
>   I don't need dual power supplies, but a nice UPS is required.

	It really doesn't need all that much memory, I have been running the
servers on about 1GB of RAM since the beginning here and I never see the
systems straining for memory resources.

	My goal is to get more potential out of the server in a way that
lets me stay home more often. I would like to have more free time on the
weekends instead of being forced to come in at 3pm on a Saturday or 3pm on a
Sunday, because that just happpens to be the time that nobody is using the
server.

	Regards,
	Rob



From thomas at redhat.com  Wed Aug 17 16:55:01 2011
From: thomas at redhat.com (thomas at redhat.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:55:01 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <7DE184DFC12F41F89FF4FF6F2BDD6376@Delta7>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>	<4E45D788.8040002@thuemmel.com>
	<7DE184DFC12F41F89FF4FF6F2BDD6376@Delta7>
Message-ID: <4E4C2AA5.6050905@redhat.com>

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On 08/15/2011 07:43 AM, Robert Adkins II wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
>> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Mark Thuemmel
>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:47 PM
>> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
>>
>>
>> You might want to detail a few more goals;
>>
>> Is "here" at your business, or personal home use?
>>
> 
> 	Business Server.
> 
> 	Total of 30 users simultaneously hitting multiple sized files and
> low-end crap applications that run their own database and can share access
> to the file over a network on a shared disk.
> 
> 	I have been running such a setup for almost 12 years now, using
> desktop hardware. The initial "server", which replaced a more powerful, in
> absolute hardware terms, Windows NT 4.0 server, provided file access
> considerably faster. That was almost 12 years ago.
> 
> 	That server is long since dead.
> 
> 	I attempt to replace the "server" hardware every 3 or so years, to
> avoid suffering catastrophic hardware failures that bring the whole network
> down, direct me to focus singly on build a new server while being pestered
> every 5 minutes about whether or not it is done yet. On those days, if I had
> a taser with enough juice to hit 65 people, it would be drained within
> minutes.
> 
>> what is a "actual server" exactly?  Listed for sale in the "server" 
>> section of Dell or HP?  Like built to run 24x7, "server class"?
>>
> 
> 	Nothing over the top.
> 
>> why do you need hotplug drives?  is your uptime requirement 
>> so much that you can't power down and remove a few screws?
>>
> 
> 	I want my weekends.
> 
> 	I would rather leave the server up and running, have it scripted to
> duplicate the important data over night and then when I am in the next day,
> unmount a disk, take it out and put a different disk in. Then take a disk
> home every day and back every day.
> 
>> How are you plugging the drives in, and what kind are they?  
>> You need super fast 15000 rpm scsi drives, or going cheap 
>> with 5400 rpm drives?
>>
> 
> 	7200 to 10000rpm drives will be perfectly fine.
> 
>> Are you thinking ESATA or USB3 or what?
>>
> 
> 	I am thinking SATA.
> 
>> What is the capacity you need total?  Is this one or two 
>> terabytes, or enough to store your whole porn collection in HD?
>>
> 	
> 	1 TB will be plenty of storage capacity.
> 
>> Is this rack mounted?
>>
> 
> 	There's not really room for a rack mount setup in the closet. 
> 
>> How are you planning to backup?
> 
> 	Copying to a drive every night and swapping the drive out in the
> morning.
> 
>>
>> How often are you going to change the configuration of the drives?
>>
> 
> 	Every few days for the back-up drives, almost never for the data
> serving drives.
> 
>> Overall, consider getting a used "server" box with lots of 
>> drive bays that had Linux support from the manufacturer when 
>> they were originally sold.  IBM, HP, Dell have made lots of 
>> boxes that came with Linux a couple of years ago that can be 
>> found cheap and have lots of connectors for hard drives.
>>
> 
> 	I would rather not go with used, old hardware. Granted, special
> built server hardware is significantly better than tasking desktop
> mainboards to act as a server.
> 
>> Me, being the dangerous type, might look at a good Linux 
>> compatable esata card with the raid and number of drives I 
>> wanted, and a usb 3.0 card  for backup external drives.  Then 
>> build my own box with a 8 or 16 HD enclosure 4U case for SATA 
>> drives.  I'd buy a nice NIC or two and any old 
>> motherboard/cpu.  Probably jack the memory up to 8 gig just becuse. 
>>   I don't need dual power supplies, but a nice UPS is required.
> 
> 	It really doesn't need all that much memory, I have been running the
> servers on about 1GB of RAM since the beginning here and I never see the
> systems straining for memory resources.
> 
> 	My goal is to get more potential out of the server in a way that
> lets me stay home more often. I would like to have more free time on the
> weekends instead of being forced to come in at 3pm on a Saturday or 3pm on a
> Sunday, because that just happpens to be the time that nobody is using the
> server.

A coworker and I had a long talk just yesterday about this.

He had the opportunity to go with a very expensive ($3500) low-end
PowerEdge server that had ~ 8GB memory and an i7 processor with 1TB SAS
storage.

Instead, he went with a beefed-up Optiplex workstation with the same
CPU, double the RAM and 4X 1TB SATA drives for about $1500. Same
processing horsepower, more memory and more storage. He set up RAID 0+1
or 1+0 (I don't remember which right now) and got a screaming fast box
with fault tolerance for a pittance. He was able to buy a spare PSU at
the same time. The rest of the stuff prone to fail - CPU and memory - is
COTS stuff he can get locally in a pinch.

The Optiplexes are pretty good boxes, and make excellent small business
servers.

I've also built three white box hypervisors for my home office with
6-core AMD processors, 16GB memory and 500GB drives for ~ $510 each.
Upgrade to a 2TB drive in each and you could literally mirror your
servers instead of your drives. If any component on production failed,
just failover to the standby and repair the production machine at your
leisure.

Of course, with unlimited budget, I'd always go with a "real" server.
It's a risk/reward exercise.
- -- 
Thomas Cameron, RHCA, RHCSS, RHCDS, RHCVA, RHCX, CNE, MCSE, MCT
Managing Solutions Architect
512-241-0774 office / 512-585-5631 cell
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From carl at carltm.com  Thu Aug 18 08:48:09 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 08:48:09 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <4E4C2AA5.6050905@redhat.com>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
	<4E45D788.8040002@thuemmel.com>
	<7DE184DFC12F41F89FF4FF6F2BDD6376@Delta7>
	<4E4C2AA5.6050905@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <2b2579bda2178ef83cb9b51c7b90ce0b.squirrel@mail.carltm.com>

thomas at redhat.com wrote:
> He had the opportunity to go with a very expensive ($3500) low-end
> PowerEdge server that had ~ 8GB memory and an i7 processor with 1TB SAS
> storage.
>
> Instead, he went with a beefed-up Optiplex workstation with the same
> CPU, double the RAM and 4X 1TB SATA drives for about $1500. Same
> processing horsepower, more memory and more storage. He set up RAID 0+1
> or 1+0 (I don't remember which right now) and got a screaming fast box
> with fault tolerance for a pittance. He was able to buy a spare PSU at
> the same time. The rest of the stuff prone to fail - CPU and memory - is
> COTS stuff he can get locally in a pinch.

It's a good idea to just buy an extra cpu, dimm, power supply,
mother board and hard drive when purchasing one or more work-
stations intended to be used as servers.  That way you have
some parts on hand if needed, and it costs less than server
hardware.

c




From radkins at impelind.com  Thu Aug 18 09:22:04 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:22:04 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <4E4C2AA5.6050905@redhat.com>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>	<4E45D788.8040002@thuemmel.com><7DE184DFC12F41F89FF4FF6F2BDD6376@Delta7>
	<4E4C2AA5.6050905@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1C8060B8442046EEAB4C7927A72736A6@Delta7>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of thomas at redhat.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:55 PM
> To: mdlug at mdlug.org
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
> 
> A coworker and I had a long talk just yesterday about this.
> 
> He had the opportunity to go with a very expensive ($3500) 
> low-end PowerEdge server that had ~ 8GB memory and an i7 
> processor with 1TB SAS storage.
> 
> Instead, he went with a beefed-up Optiplex workstation with 
> the same CPU, double the RAM and 4X 1TB SATA drives for about 
> $1500. Same processing horsepower, more memory and more 
> storage. He set up RAID 0+1 or 1+0 (I don't remember which 
> right now) and got a screaming fast box with fault tolerance 
> for a pittance. He was able to buy a spare PSU at the same 
> time. The rest of the stuff prone to fail - CPU and memory - 
> is COTS stuff he can get locally in a pinch.
> 
> The Optiplexes are pretty good boxes, and make excellent 
> small business servers.
> 
> I've also built three white box hypervisors for my home 
> office with 6-core AMD processors, 16GB memory and 500GB 
> drives for ~ $510 each.
> Upgrade to a 2TB drive in each and you could literally mirror 
> your servers instead of your drives. If any component on 
> production failed, just failover to the standby and repair 
> the production machine at your leisure.
> 
> Of course, with unlimited budget, I'd always go with a "real" server.
> It's a risk/reward exercise.
> - --
> Thomas Cameron, RHCA, RHCSS, RHCDS, RHCVA, RHCX, CNE, MCSE, 
> MCT Managing Solutions Architect
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> 

  I can't imagine why I would need that much power and memory on the server
at this time. We do not experience any issues with fileserver performance
and there are, at times, some pretty decently sized CAD files, accounting
and other application files being hit simultaneously by upwards of 5 to 7
users.

  The last time that I order replacement servers, I ended up spending less
than $1500 on all of the hardware for one server.

  Cheap is... The implied word around here. My primary interest is knowing
whether or not anyone on the list is familiar with particular motherboards
and apparently also particular SATA Hard Drives that play nice with ESATA
Hot Swapping.

	Thanks again,
	Rob



From carl at carltm.com  Thu Aug 18 09:56:08 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:56:08 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <1C8060B8442046EEAB4C7927A72736A6@Delta7>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
	<4E45D788.8040002@thuemmel.com><7DE184DFC12F41F89FF4FF6F2BDD6376@Delta7>
	<4E4C2AA5.6050905@redhat.com>
	<1C8060B8442046EEAB4C7927A72736A6@Delta7>
Message-ID: <8f25ca7eb7e3369a620377e8f93192b0.squirrel@mail.carltm.com>

Robert Adkins II wrote:
>   I can't imagine why I would need that much power and memory on the
> server
> at this time. We do not experience any issues with fileserver performance
> and there are, at times, some pretty decently sized CAD files, accounting
> and other application files being hit simultaneously by upwards of 5 to 7
> users.

I always buy more than I need for servers.  The life of
a server could be 5 to 10 years, and who know what you
might want to do with the hardware 3 years from now?

Also, one advantage to getting a server with extra ram
and processing power is that you can install VirtualBox.
That gives you a lot of flexibility in your environment.
I'd suggest using VirtualBox and creating your fileserver
as a virtual machine, because that will give you the ability
to create snapshots (restore points) and it will make it
very easy to backup and restore the fileserver, even if
it needs to be restored to different hardware.

c




From radkins at impelind.com  Thu Aug 18 10:14:58 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:14:58 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <8f25ca7eb7e3369a620377e8f93192b0.squirrel@mail.carltm.com>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7><4E45D788.8040002@thuemmel.com><7DE184DFC12F41F89FF4FF6F2BDD6376@Delta7><4E4C2AA5.6050905@redhat.com><1C8060B8442046EEAB4C7927A72736A6@Delta7>
	<8f25ca7eb7e3369a620377e8f93192b0.squirrel@mail.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <23E0DAA3ED404357B9D99A462310405E@Delta7>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Carl T. Miller
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:56 AM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
> 
> Robert Adkins II wrote:
> >   I can't imagine why I would need that much power and 
> memory on the 
> > server at this time. We do not experience any issues with 
> fileserver 
> > performance and there are, at times, some pretty decently sized CAD 
> > files, accounting and other application files being hit 
> simultaneously 
> > by upwards of 5 to 7 users.
> 
> I always buy more than I need for servers.  The life of a 
> server could be 5 to 10 years, and who know what you might 
> want to do with the hardware 3 years from now?
> 
> Also, one advantage to getting a server with extra ram and 
> processing power is that you can install VirtualBox.
> That gives you a lot of flexibility in your environment.
> I'd suggest using VirtualBox and creating your fileserver as 
> a virtual machine, because that will give you the ability to 
> create snapshots (restore points) and it will make it very 
> easy to backup and restore the fileserver, even if it needs 
> to be restored to different hardware.
> 
> c

	Carl,

	That makes considerable sense. Thanks, I will begin investigating
that.

	Is it possible to setup Virtual Box to act as a service that will
startup and launch an image automatically from a Cold Hardware Boot?

	Thanks,
	Rob



From carl at carltm.com  Thu Aug 18 11:24:39 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 11:24:39 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <23E0DAA3ED404357B9D99A462310405E@Delta7>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7><4E45D788.8040002@thuemmel.com><7DE184DFC12F41F89FF4FF6F2BDD6376@Delta7><4E4C2AA5.6050905@redhat.com><1C8060B8442046EEAB4C7927A72736A6@Delta7>
	<8f25ca7eb7e3369a620377e8f93192b0.squirrel@mail.carltm.com>
	<23E0DAA3ED404357B9D99A462310405E@Delta7>
Message-ID: <0d56fe475586f6eece3643314b083a9a.squirrel@mail.carltm.com>

Robert Adkins II wrote:
> 	Is it possible to setup Virtual Box to act as a service that will
> startup and launch an image automatically from a Cold Hardware Boot?

Yes, in fact I wrote a little script to do exactly that,
and it works on Red Hat, CentOS and similar distros.  If
you're running Debian or Ubuntu it will need to be tweaked.

You can copy and paste everything below at the command
line to create the script.  Then run:
  chmod u+x /usr/local/sbin/vboxguests
  /usr/local/sbin/vboxguests

This will set up and enable the service with a blank
configuration file.  You'll have to add hosts to
/etc/vboxguests to make it work.

c



cat > /usr/local/sbin/vboxguests <<\EndOfScript
#!/bin/sh

# @(#) vboxguests    creates init file for VirtualBox guests   
carl at carltm.com


CreateInitFile() {
cat > /etc/init.d/vboxguests <<\EoT
#!/bin/sh
# vboxguests        Manages startup of configured VirtualBox guests
#
# chkconfig: 2345 99 0
# description: Manages startup of configured VirtualBox guests
#
### BEGIN INIT INFO
# Short-Description: vboxguests
# Description: Manages startup of configured VirtualBox guests
# Default-Start: 2 3 4 5
# Default-Stop: 0 6
### END INIT INFO

if [ -f /etc/vboxguests ]; then
  case "$1" in
    start)
      touch /var/lock/subsys/vboxguests
      for Guest in `sed 's/#.*//' /etc/vboxguests`; do
        echo Starting "$Guest"...
        VBoxManage -q startvm $Guest --type headless
        sleep 2
      done
    ;;
    stop)
      rm -f /var/lock/subsys/vboxguests
      for Guest in `sed 's/#.*//' /etc/vboxguests`; do
        echo Stopping "$Guest"...
        VBoxManage -q controlvm $Guest savestate
      done
    ;;
    restart)
      for Guest in `sed 's/#.*//' /etc/vboxguests`; do
        echo Stopping "$Guest"...
        VBoxManage -q controlvm $Guest savestate
        echo Starting "$Guest"...
        VBoxManage -q startvm $Guest --type headless
        sleep 2
      done
    ;;
    status)
      for Guest in `sed 's/#.*//' /etc/vboxguests`; do
        echo -n $Guest:
        VBoxManage -q showvminfo $Guest | grep State: | sed 's/State: */ /'
      done
    ;;
    *)
      echo "vboxguests start|stop|status"
    ;;
  esac
fi
EoT

chmod 744 /etc/init.d/vboxguests
}

CreateEtcFile() {
cat > /etc/vboxguests <<\EoT
# /etc/vboxguests
#
# list the virtualbox guests to be started and stopped automatically

#guest1
#guest2

EoT
chmod 644 /etc/vboxguests
}

if which chkconfig > /dev/null 2>&1; then
  CreateInitFile
  chkconfig --add vboxguests
  if [ ! -f /etc/vboxguests ]; then
    CreateEtcFile
    echo Edit /etc/vboxguests as needed.
  fi
  echo vboxguests has now been configured as a service
else
  echo chkconfig is not in your path
fi
EndOfScript




From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 18 15:31:16 2011
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:31:16 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SEMCO SIG-Linux, August meeting
Message-ID: <CADzXsrSFUV2HTT=PWUMb_6wPjJxxcwoezDd8pjwXpWM0VA09Zw@mail.gmail.com>

For August, the SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting subject will be:
"Xfce, The Third Desktop"

This presentation will focus on Xfce, one of the leading GUIs for
Linux.  With recent major changes to both KDE and GNOME, there has
been a bit of a baclash with some users looking at alternatives; in
fact, Linus Torvalds himself announced just this month that he was
adopting Xfce as his current GUI of choice due to his dissatisfaction
with the new GNOME 3.  There may be a slight side-trip into LXDE,
another light-weight GUI for Linux.

As usual, the meeting will be held at Paper Street, the home of "Motor
City Free Geek" with space kindly provided by Andy Didorosi (Paper
Street) and Ken Grundberg (Motor City Free Geek).
Date: Tuesday, August 23rd, 6:45 p.m.

Map: http://goo.gl/xG6JU
http://www.MotorCityFreeGeek.net
http://WeLovePaperStreet.com

~~ Michael Rudas
? ?My Linux blog: Linux-SIG.blogspot.com


From tesral at wowway.com  Thu Aug 18 15:30:40 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:30:40 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] WTF /var/log
In-Reply-To: <1309513679.10518.4.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
References: <4E0D4542.2080307@gmail.com>
	<1309513679.10518.4.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
Message-ID: <4E4D6860.50907@wowway.com>

Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> Yep; a good reason to have /var/log as its own volume.  Even on a
> desktop/laptop system.  This is the most common problem I see regarding
> omg-my-disk-is-full.
>   

OK, I have the drive ready to install, how do I name that volume to make
sure /var ends up there?  I have a 2 tera drive, 30 for /root, 4 for
swap, ?/var rest /home.

And should /var be the physical partition?

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From awilliam at whitemice.org  Thu Aug 18 15:54:29 2011
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:54:29 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] WTF /var/log
In-Reply-To: <4E4D6860.50907@wowway.com>
References: <4E0D4542.2080307@gmail.com>
	<1309513679.10518.4.camel@linux-yu4c.site> <4E4D6860.50907@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <20110818155429.Horde.I1Gpc5eICrNOTW31N1A3h6A@aleph.wmmi.net>

Quoting Garry Stahl <tesral at wowway.com>:

> Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>> Yep; a good reason to have /var/log as its own volume.  Even on a
>> desktop/laptop system.  This is the most common problem I see regarding
>> omg-my-disk-is-full.
> OK, I have the drive ready to install, how do I name that volume to make
> sure /var ends up there?  I have a 2 tera drive, 30 for /root, 4 for
> swap, ?/var rest /home.
> And should /var be the physical partition?

No, none of those should be physical partitions; they should all be  
logical volumes.  Don't commit the entire physical volume - you can  
grow this later if you discover you need to [resize even works  
'online' these days']

I'd:
12GB for root [probably bigger then you'll ever need]
4GB for swap
4Gb for /var/log
250GB for /home
  - then see what happens.

Empty space also means you can make another dedicated logical volume  
for something else if the need arises.

Create the drive as a physical volume, create a volume group for that  
physical volume, and create your logical volumes.



From tesral at wowway.com  Thu Aug 18 18:03:46 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:03:46 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] WTF /var/log
In-Reply-To: <20110818155429.Horde.I1Gpc5eICrNOTW31N1A3h6A@aleph.wmmi.net>
References: <4E0D4542.2080307@gmail.com>	<1309513679.10518.4.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
	<4E4D6860.50907@wowway.com>
	<20110818155429.Horde.I1Gpc5eICrNOTW31N1A3h6A@aleph.wmmi.net>
Message-ID: <4E4D8C42.20909@wowway.com>

Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> Quoting Garry Stahl <tesral at wowway.com>:
>
>   
>> Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>>     
>>> Yep; a good reason to have /var/log as its own volume.  Even on a
>>> desktop/laptop system.  This is the most common problem I see regarding
>>> omg-my-disk-is-full.
>>>       
>> OK, I have the drive ready to install, how do I name that volume to make
>> sure /var ends up there?  I have a 2 tera drive, 30 for /root, 4 for
>> swap, ?/var rest /home.
>> And should /var be the physical partition?
>>     
>
> No, none of those should be physical partitions; they should all be  
> logical volumes.  Don't commit the entire physical volume - you can  
> grow this later if you discover you need to [resize even works  
> 'online' these days']
>
> I'd:
> 12GB for root [probably bigger then you'll ever need]
> 4GB for swap
> 4Gb for /var/log
> 250GB for /home
>   

/home is at 425 gig now.  Why do you think 2 terabyte drives?

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From brianbrodsky at ameritech.net  Thu Aug 18 20:22:50 2011
From: brianbrodsky at ameritech.net (Brian Brodsky)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 20:22:50 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] WTF /var/log
In-Reply-To: <4E4D8C42.20909@wowway.com>
References: <4E0D4542.2080307@gmail.com>	<1309513679.10518.4.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
	<4E4D6860.50907@wowway.com>
	<20110818155429.Horde.I1Gpc5eICrNOTW31N1A3h6A@aleph.wmmi.net>
	<4E4D8C42.20909@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <4E4DACDA.3080901@ameritech.net>

On 8/18/2011 6:03 PM, Garry Stahl wrote:
> Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>> Quoting Garry Stahl<tesral at wowway.com>:
>>
>>
>>> Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yep; a good reason to have /var/log as its own volume.  Even on a
>>>> desktop/laptop system.  This is the most common problem I see regarding
>>>> omg-my-disk-is-full.
>>>>
>>> OK, I have the drive ready to install, how do I name that volume to make
>>> sure /var ends up there?  I have a 2 tera drive, 30 for /root, 4 for
>>> swap, ?/var rest /home.
>>> And should /var be the physical partition?
>>>
>> No, none of those should be physical partitions; they should all be
>> logical volumes.  Don't commit the entire physical volume - you can
>> grow this later if you discover you need to [resize even works
>> 'online' these days']
>>
>> I'd:
>> 12GB for root [probably bigger then you'll ever need]
>> 4GB for swap
>> 4Gb for /var/log
>> 250GB for /home
>>
> /home is at 425 gig now.  Why do you think 2 terabyte drives?
>

How much space is being used by /var now. What is the frequency you have 
setup for logrotate and how many versions of logs are you keeping. Are 
you sure all logs are being rotated?


From awilliam at whitemice.org  Thu Aug 18 21:37:24 2011
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 21:37:24 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] WTF /var/log
In-Reply-To: <4E4D8C42.20909@wowway.com>
References: <4E0D4542.2080307@gmail.com>
	<1309513679.10518.4.camel@linux-yu4c.site> <4E4D6860.50907@wowway.com>
	<20110818155429.Horde.I1Gpc5eICrNOTW31N1A3h6A@aleph.wmmi.net>
	<4E4D8C42.20909@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <1313717845.7593.5.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Thu, 2011-08-18 at 18:03 -0400, Garry Stahl wrote:
> Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > Quoting Garry Stahl <tesral at wowway.com>: 
> >> Adam Tauno Williams wrote  
> >>> Yep; a good reason to have /var/log as its own volume.  Even on a
> >>> desktop/laptop system.  This is the most common problem I see regarding
> >>> omg-my-disk-is-full.
> >>>       
> >> OK, I have the drive ready to install, how do I name that volume to make
> >> sure /var ends up there?  I have a 2 tera drive, 30 for /root, 4 for
> >> swap, ?/var rest /home.
> >> And should /var be the physical partition?
> > No, none of those should be physical partitions; they should all be  
> > logical volumes.  Don't commit the entire physical volume - you can  
> > grow this later if you discover you need to [resize even works  
> > 'online' these days']
> > I'd:
> > 12GB for root [probably bigger then you'll ever need]
> > 4GB for swap
> > 4Gb for /var/log
> > 250GB for /home
> /home is at 425 gig now. 

So make home 650G.  My point is just that there is no reason to
aggressively allocation your resources; doing so just make re-allocation
or dealing with an unexpected condition more difficult.

I generally also make a /isos [for ISO images - these are big, never
change, and are typically recoverable from an external source] and
a /vms [for virtual machine files].  This reduces the size of /home
making it easier and faster to frequently backup /home.  Then I just
backup /vms at need and I never bother to backup /isos.  It also
prevents /home from reaching disk-full condition which can have odd and
possibly bad effects on running applications (it is easy when playing
with VMs to gobble disk space).



From tesral at wowway.com  Thu Aug 18 22:04:41 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:04:41 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] WTF /var/log
In-Reply-To: <4E4DACDA.3080901@ameritech.net>
References: <4E0D4542.2080307@gmail.com>	<1309513679.10518.4.camel@linux-yu4c.site>	<4E4D6860.50907@wowway.com>	<20110818155429.Horde.I1Gpc5eICrNOTW31N1A3h6A@aleph.wmmi.net>	<4E4D8C42.20909@wowway.com>
	<4E4DACDA.3080901@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <4E4DC4B9.9030506@wowway.com>

Brian Brodsky wrote:
>
> How much space is being used by /var now. What is the frequency you have 
> setup for logrotate and how many versions of logs are you keeping. Are 
> you sure all logs are being rotated?
>   

/Var is 240 meg.  I looked it up.  No /var is not filling my machine. 
Graphics and sound are filling my machine, that and PDFs


-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From zwilnik2 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 10:11:57 2011
From: zwilnik2 at gmail.com (Kevin O'Brien)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:11:57 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Looking for speakers
Message-ID: <CAHnui=SaHJRCNLLSfCZhE2Zh2f2o+8e3xoxd--Q+MmBZ+jU+_A@mail.gmail.com>

I have a couple of topics for which I am trying to find speakers who can
present at Washtenaw Linux Users Group. What I would like to find are:

1. Gnome 3 - We already had Jorge Castro come by and discuss the Unity
interface, and we have someone coming by to discuss KDE, so I'd like to get
someone to present on this to round it out a bit. If anyone has another
desktop they really like and can do a presentation, we're open to that as
well.

2. Prezi - This is a presentation editor that can replace static slide decks
with zooming maps. We saw it used, but would love to have a real guru come
by and teach it to us.

If you have any leads, please send them my way. Also, if you have a topic
you would like to present, let me know. We are open to anything that is free
software/open source related.

-- 
Kevin B. O'Brien
zwilnik2 at gmail.com
Facebook is Evil. Cancel your account.


From nadreck at palain.com  Sat Aug 20 14:40:13 2011
From: nadreck at palain.com (Kevin O'Brien)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:40:13 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Looking for Speakers
Message-ID: <CAHnui=SHsViBd4YnijkjnWDAWw=bC0A5N+F9Xff_FxTTzTpjBA@mail.gmail.com>

I have a couple of topics for which I am trying to find speakers who can
present at Washtenaw Linux Users Group. What I would like to find are:

1. Gnome 3 - We already had Jorge Castro come by and discuss the Unity
interface, and we have someone coming by to discuss KDE, so I'd like to get
someone to present on this to round it out a bit. If anyone has another
desktop they really like and can do a presentation, we're open to that as
well.

2. Prezi - This is a presentation editor that can replace static slide decks
with zooming maps. We saw it used, but would love to have a real guru come
by and teach it to us.

If you have any leads, please send them my way. Also, if you have a topic
you would like to present, let me know. We are open to anything that is free
software/open source related.

Kevin O'Brien
nadreck at palain.com
Pres., Washtenaw Linux Users Group


From brianbrodsky at ameritech.net  Sat Aug 20 19:47:28 2011
From: brianbrodsky at ameritech.net (Brian Brodsky)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:47:28 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Problems with virtualbox, fedora 15, gnome 3
Message-ID: <4E504790.2000509@ameritech.net>

I have installed on my windows 7 laptop VirtualBox 4.1.2. I deleted my 
fedora 14 guest machine and created a fedora 15 guest machine. When I 
did this gnome 3 went to fallback mode. I installed the linux guest 
additions and then gnome 3 ran. I also disabled selinux. But any 
programs seemed extremely slow. The os is fine because when I logged 
into KDE desktop KDE programs ran fine. Gnome programs under KDE were 
still unresponsive. I then forced fallback mode and the gnome desktop 
and all apps seems fine. However, in the KDE desktop gnome apps still 
are either very slow or unresponsive. Does anybody know how I can get 
gnome 3 to run properly?

Brian


From mat.enders at gmail.com  Sun Aug 21 07:34:50 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 11:34:50 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] Problems with virtualbox, fedora 15, gnome 3
In-Reply-To: <4E504790.2000509@ameritech.net>
References: <4E504790.2000509@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <101340392-1313926491-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1212550671-@b25.c27.bise6.blackberry>

Yes use LXDE ;-)
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Brodsky <brianbrodsky at ameritech.net>
Sender: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:47:28 
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list<mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] Problems with virtualbox, fedora 15, gnome 3

I have installed on my windows 7 laptop VirtualBox 4.1.2. I deleted my 
fedora 14 guest machine and created a fedora 15 guest machine. When I 
did this gnome 3 went to fallback mode. I installed the linux guest 
additions and then gnome 3 ran. I also disabled selinux. But any 
programs seemed extremely slow. The os is fine because when I logged 
into KDE desktop KDE programs ran fine. Gnome programs under KDE were 
still unresponsive. I then forced fallback mode and the gnome desktop 
and all apps seems fine. However, in the KDE desktop gnome apps still 
are either very slow or unresponsive. Does anybody know how I can get 
gnome 3 to run properly?

Brian
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From awilliam at whitemice.org  Sun Aug 21 11:35:24 2011
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 11:35:24 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Problems with virtualbox, fedora 15, gnome 3
In-Reply-To: <4E504790.2000509@ameritech.net>
References: <4E504790.2000509@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <20110821113524.Horde.hGjCf5eICrNOUSW8Bwwnh7A@aleph.wmmi.net>

Quoting Brian Brodsky <brianbrodsky at ameritech.net>:

> I have installed on my windows 7 laptop VirtualBox 4.1.2. I deleted my
> fedora 14 guest machine and created a fedora 15 guest machine. When I
> did this gnome 3 went to fallback mode. I installed the linux guest
> additions and then gnome 3 ran. I also disabled selinux. But any
> programs seemed extremely slow. The os is fine because when I logged
> into KDE desktop KDE programs ran fine. Gnome programs under KDE were
> still unresponsive. I then forced fallback mode and the gnome desktop
> and all apps seems fine. However, in the KDE desktop gnome apps still
> are either very slow or unresponsive. Does anybody know how I can get
> gnome 3 to run properly?

I'm not at my regular computer so I can't lookup the details but there  
is a minimum version of VirtualBox required for GNOME3 *Shell* [the  
default interface, vs. "Fallback"] to work correctly.

Generally it sounds like you Virtual Box VM is not correctly, or  
effectively, providing video acceleration.  GNOME3 Shell requires  
OpenGL acceleration [which is really *not* the same thing as "3d  
acceleration"; although people tend to conflate the terms].  I have no  
idea why the applications would be slow under KDE as well expect that  
(a) they are still attempting to use the same Cairo/rendering model  
that would be used by Shell [doubtful] or there is actually some  
timeout issue occurring accessing gsettings, d-bus, etc...  If you run  
a GNOME application from the command-line in another DE where it is  
unresponsive do you see it spewing any error messages?



From petertheplumber at att.net  Sun Aug 21 19:29:53 2011
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 19:29:53 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Dymo 450 Twin Turbo Won't Switch Rolls
Message-ID: <20110821192953.23320283@peter-t61.site>

Hi Everyone,
	My problem is I can't get the Dymo to switch to the right side
	roll from the left side. I tried changing properties in CUPS
	and glabels to no effect. Everything prints from the left roll.
	What I did so far is below, can anyone push me in the right
	direction?
	I've exhausted my limited abilities. I'm trying to get a Dymo
	450 Twin Turbo to work properly. I tried the installation
	instructions from
<http://sites.dymo.com/DeveloperProgram/Pages/LW_SDK_Linux.aspx> which
end with the command line error: configure: error: Can't find cups
library. I assume I'm missing some of the dependencies listed in the
install readme file:
To compile and install source package you will need:
  - recent C++ compiler. We used gcc ver. 3.3.5 & 4.0.1
  - installed CUPS *.h files (cups/cups.h, cups/raster.h)
  - installed CUPS libraries (libcups, libcupsimage)
	The Dymo documentation last revised 7.10.09 also indicates the
	following:
The drivers have been tested under following Linux distributions so far
and will work on most Linux distributions with CUPS as long as the CUPS
package dependencies are met. 
Gentoo Linux 2005 
Fedora Core 3 & 4
CentOS Linux
Ubuntu 8.04
Ubuntu 9.04
	The documentation states it works correctly with CUPS v1.3.9.
	I'm running openSUSE 11.4 64 bit and CUPS v1.4.4. The CUPS
	dependencies listed don't come up in the software manager, not
	even close. I've learned to look at similar names and search
	the internet using the file names. I've had limited success
	using the CUPS interface at <http://localhost:631/> to add the
	printer. I was able to add the Dymo w/o using any outside
	sources, just what options CUPS gave me. I did have an issue
	because I got an error message about not being able to find
raster2dymolw. I found a file similar
in  /usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertodymo that is a link
to /usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertolabel. I
changed /usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertodymo
to /usr/lib/cups/filter/raster2dymolw and lo and behold I can print
from the left side of the Dymo using glabels. At this point I'm picking
through several tutorials and forum posts several years old, using what
seems to work. 

-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber
<petertheplumber at att.net>


From brianbrodsky at ameritech.net  Sun Aug 21 19:37:08 2011
From: brianbrodsky at ameritech.net (Brian Brodsky)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 19:37:08 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Problems with virtualbox, fedora 15, gnome 3
In-Reply-To: <20110821113524.Horde.hGjCf5eICrNOUSW8Bwwnh7A@aleph.wmmi.net>
References: <4E504790.2000509@ameritech.net>
	<20110821113524.Horde.hGjCf5eICrNOUSW8Bwwnh7A@aleph.wmmi.net>
Message-ID: <4E5196A4.5070001@ameritech.net>

On 8/21/2011 11:35 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> Quoting Brian Brodsky<brianbrodsky at ameritech.net>:
>
>> I have installed on my windows 7 laptop VirtualBox 4.1.2. I deleted my
>> fedora 14 guest machine and created a fedora 15 guest machine. When I
>> did this gnome 3 went to fallback mode. I installed the linux guest
>> additions and then gnome 3 ran. I also disabled selinux. But any
>> programs seemed extremely slow. The os is fine because when I logged
>> into KDE desktop KDE programs ran fine. Gnome programs under KDE were
>> still unresponsive. I then forced fallback mode and the gnome desktop
>> and all apps seems fine. However, in the KDE desktop gnome apps still
>> are either very slow or unresponsive. Does anybody know how I can get
>> gnome 3 to run properly?
> I'm not at my regular computer so I can't lookup the details but there
> is a minimum version of VirtualBox required for GNOME3 *Shell* [the
> default interface, vs. "Fallback"] to work correctly.
>
> Generally it sounds like you Virtual Box VM is not correctly, or
> effectively, providing video acceleration.  GNOME3 Shell requires
> OpenGL acceleration [which is really *not* the same thing as "3d
> acceleration"; although people tend to conflate the terms].  I have no
> idea why the applications would be slow under KDE as well expect that
> (a) they are still attempting to use the same Cairo/rendering model
> that would be used by Shell [doubtful] or there is actually some
> timeout issue occurring accessing gsettings, d-bus, etc...  If you run
> a GNOME application from the command-line in another DE where it is
> unresponsive do you see it spewing any error messages?
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>
Version 4.1.2 is the current version of VirtualBox. I ran in KDE from 
konsole gnome-terminal. Did not get any errors but was unable to type 
any commands into gnome-terminal. Only thing I could do was close it. 
There were no errors in konsole.


From tesral at wowway.com  Tue Aug 23 02:13:04 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 02:13:04 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Upgrade
Message-ID: <4E5344F0.3020804@wowway.com>

Phoenix is going under the knife tomorrow for major upgrades.  If
nothing interferes this time.  E-mail interruptions are bound to happen
for at least a while.  All drives are being replaced.  The 500 gig
drives are getting pulled for 2 tb and 1.5 tb drives.  The optical is
exhibiting a balky drawer so I'm pulling the IDE for a SATA.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 23 04:25:20 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 04:25:20 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <4E5344F0.3020804@wowway.com>
References: <4E5344F0.3020804@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <4E5363F0.3080800@gmail.com>

Garry Stahl wrote:
> Phoenix is going under the knife tomorrow for major upgrades.  If
> nothing interferes this time.  E-mail interruptions are bound to happen
> for at least a while.  All drives are being replaced.  The 500 gig
> drives are getting pulled for 2 tb and 1.5 tb drives.  The optical is
> exhibiting a balky drawer so I'm pulling the IDE for a SATA.
>

tarring or DD'ing?



From tesral at wowway.com  Tue Aug 23 11:14:35 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:14:35 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <4E5363F0.3080800@gmail.com>
References: <4E5344F0.3020804@wowway.com> <4E5363F0.3080800@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E53C3DB.4050009@wowway.com>

Aaron Kulkis wrote:

> tarring or DD'ing?
>   
Upgrade from openSUSE 11.0 to 11.4

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 23 14:43:08 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 14:43:08 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <4E53C3DB.4050009@wowway.com>
References: <4E5344F0.3020804@wowway.com> <4E5363F0.3080800@gmail.com>
	<4E53C3DB.4050009@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <4E53F4BC.5080009@gmail.com>

Garry Stahl wrote:
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
>> tarring or DD'ing?
>>
> Upgrade from openSUSE 11.0 to 11.4

If you prefer KDE 3 over KDE 4, be sure to

1: add these repos:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE3:/NonFree/openSUSE_11.4
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_11.4

------------------------------------

2: in yast -> software management  (or yast2 -> software management)
select the repositories tab, pick a KDE3 repository, and select
software from it, then repeat for the other.

Be sure to select the packages kdm3

you probably also want to pick the yast-qt package, because
yast-gnome has a horribly bloated interface --
individual package entries take a huge amount of screen real-estate,
not much information is shown in the primary picker window,
and you don't even get larger writing in exchange -- it's just
all wasted on empty vertical and horizontal whitespace.


-----------------------------------

3 edit these two files in /etc/sysconfig, and set the following values
[this can also be done through the yast sysconfig editor, but it's
simpler to just edit the files directly]

3A   in /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager
DISPLAYMANAGER="kdm3"

3B   in /etc/sysconfig/windowmanager
DEFAULT_WM="startkde3"


----

init 3
init 5


You'll then have a happy KDE 3.10 system




From radkins at impelind.com  Tue Aug 23 14:55:01 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 14:55:01 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Any good resources for IPTables?
Message-ID: <E91897A219184F129E626434B2A8570C@Delta7>

I'm looking for some good resources that have a decent breakdown of the
syntax of existing chains as well as how to build chains. I don't mind
picking up a book on the subject. I have dug through a handful of online
resources, but I have been finding them wanting in terms of how the
information is presented.
 
    Thanks,
    Rob


From carl at carltm.com  Tue Aug 23 19:53:15 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:53:15 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Any good resources for IPTables?
In-Reply-To: <E91897A219184F129E626434B2A8570C@Delta7>
References: <E91897A219184F129E626434B2A8570C@Delta7>
Message-ID: <74829cd41702d331440a390aa3da3817.squirrel@mail.carltm.com>

Robert Adkins II wrote:
> I'm looking for some good resources that have a decent breakdown of the
> syntax of existing chains as well as how to build chains.

I bookmarked this years ago.  It's worth taking a look at.
Also, I'd suggest that you take your time learning iptables.
I found that it took some time for me to understand the
concepts and terminology before I actually started doing
anything.

http://www.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial/iptables-tutorial.html

c




From danno at umich.edu  Tue Aug 23 21:20:26 2011
From: danno at umich.edu (Dan Pritts)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 21:20:26 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Any good resources for IPTables?
In-Reply-To: <E91897A219184F129E626434B2A8570C@Delta7>
References: <E91897A219184F129E626434B2A8570C@Delta7>
Message-ID: <4E5451DA.1080905@umich.edu>

Have you looked at the "official" howtos?

http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/index.html#documentation-howto

the networking concepts plus packet filtering howtos i think are pretty 
well written.

Plus i love how the site is laid out, clearly German-language A4 
Postscript is the most frequently used of any possible format :)

Robert Adkins II wrote:
> I'm looking for some good resources that have a decent breakdown of the
> syntax of existing chains as well as how to build chains. I don't mind
> picking up a book on the subject. I have dug through a handful of online
> resources, but I have been finding them wanting in terms of how the
> information is presented.
>
>      Thanks,
>      Rob
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


From spjamesb at gmail.com  Tue Aug 23 22:33:33 2011
From: spjamesb at gmail.com (Jim Broughton)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:33:33 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Any good resources for IPTables?
In-Reply-To: <E91897A219184F129E626434B2A8570C@Delta7>
References: <E91897A219184F129E626434B2A8570C@Delta7>
Message-ID: <4E5462FD.8070802@gmail.com>



On 08/23/2011 02:55 PM, Robert Adkins II wrote:
> I'm looking for some good resources that have a decent breakdown of the
> syntax of existing chains as well as how to build chains. I don't mind
> picking up a book on the subject. I have dug through a handful of online
> resources, but I have been finding them wanting in terms of how the
> information is presented.
>
>      Thanks,
>      Rob
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>

Are you looking to build custom chains or just work within the standard set?

I have written a few small firewall scripts and I have found your best bet is the
man page for iptables itself. The first thing you have to do is write down a 
description
in English as to exactly what you wish to accomplish. As in... If an incoming 
packet
from ip address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is trying to initiate a connection to port 25 
should
it be allowed through. Or I don't want any connections to port 22 except for 
these ip address or
this ip range that I determine should be able to connect.

I find that being able to look at examples is a great way to learn so...

Perhaps if you threaten me enough I'll even send you a modified for safety 
version of one that has
been keeping a couple of my administered sites safe for over 5 years.
The firewall contains some good examples of connection logging, limiting 
connection hits, nat,
port forwarding with and without logging and country blocking.




From gib at juno.com  Wed Aug 24 09:10:22 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:10:22 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Any good resources for IPTables?
Message-ID: <20110824.091022.2178.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>

This sounds like a good topic for a discussion or presentation.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Jim Broughton <spjamesb at gmail.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Any good resources for IPTables?
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:33:33 -0400




On 08/23/2011 02:55 PM, Robert Adkins II wrote:
> I'm looking for some good resources that have a decent breakdown of the
> syntax of existing chains as well as how to build chains. I don't mind
> picking up a book on the subject. I have dug through a handful of online
> resources, but I have been finding them wanting in terms of how the
> information is presented.
>
>      Thanks,
>      Rob
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>

Are you looking to build custom chains or just work within the standard set?

I have written a few small firewall scripts and I have found your best bet is the
man page for iptables itself. The first thing you have to do is write down a 
description
in English as to exactly what you wish to accomplish. As in... If an incoming 
packet
from ip address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is trying to initiate a connection to port 25 
should
it be allowed through. Or I don't want any connections to port 22 except for 
these ip address or
this ip range that I determine should be able to connect.

I find that being able to look at examples is a great way to learn so...

Perhaps if you threaten me enough I'll even send you a modified for safety 
version of one that has
been keeping a couple of my administered sites safe for over 5 years.
The firewall contains some good examples of connection logging, limiting 
connection hits, nat,
port forwarding with and without logging and country blocking.


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From radkins at impelind.com  Wed Aug 24 09:49:08 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:49:08 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Any good resources for IPTables?
In-Reply-To: <4E5462FD.8070802@gmail.com>
References: <E91897A219184F129E626434B2A8570C@Delta7>
	<4E5462FD.8070802@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5C2F71EA8F3F40E2B30ED6B461F2D258@Delta7>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Broughton [mailto:spjamesb at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:34 PM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Cc: Robert Adkins II
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Any good resources for IPTables?
> 
> Are you looking to build custom chains or just work within 
> the standard set?
> 
> I have written a few small firewall scripts and I have found 
> your best bet is the man page for iptables itself. The first 
> thing you have to do is write down a description in English 
> as to exactly what you wish to accomplish. As in... If an 
> incoming packet from ip address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is trying to 
> initiate a connection to port 25 should it be allowed 
> through. Or I don't want any connections to port 22 except 
> for these ip address or this ip range that I determine should 
> be able to connect.
> 
> I find that being able to look at examples is a great way to 
> learn so...
> 
> Perhaps if you threaten me enough I'll even send you a 
> modified for safety version of one that has been keeping a 
> couple of my administered sites safe for over 5 years.
> The firewall contains some good examples of connection 
> logging, limiting connection hits, nat, port forwarding with 
> and without logging and country blocking.
> 

	I want to build some custom chains.

	I have written out the English of what I am looking to achieve. It's
just the action of getting that into the proper format and the correct
location that I haven't discovered.

	-Rob



From awilliam at whitemice.org  Wed Aug 24 10:53:08 2011
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:53:08 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Any good resources for IPTables?
In-Reply-To: <5C2F71EA8F3F40E2B30ED6B461F2D258@Delta7>
References: <E91897A219184F129E626434B2A8570C@Delta7>
	<4E5462FD.8070802@gmail.com> <5C2F71EA8F3F40E2B30ED6B461F2D258@Delta7>
Message-ID: <1314197589.9580.2.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 09:49 -0400, Robert Adkins II wrote:
> I want to build some custom chains.
> I have written out the English of what I am looking to achieve. It's
> just the action of getting that into the proper format and the correct
> location that I haven't discovered.

1. Install fwbuilder <http://www.fwbuilder.org/>
2. Design your chains
3. Save the results.
4. Look at the generated script

The odds that FWBuilder doesn't support what you want to do is *very*
*very* low.  As iptables has become more sophisticated and capable, and
then there is IPv6 rule pairing/mirroring... I've abandoned all attempts
to maintain iptable rule-sets manually.   FWBuilder works, and will even
install the rules for you.




From spjamesb at gmail.com  Wed Aug 24 15:09:50 2011
From: spjamesb at gmail.com (Jim Broughton)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:09:50 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Any good resources for IPTables?
In-Reply-To: <5C2F71EA8F3F40E2B30ED6B461F2D258@Delta7>
References: <E91897A219184F129E626434B2A8570C@Delta7>
	<4E5462FD.8070802@gmail.com>
	<5C2F71EA8F3F40E2B30ED6B461F2D258@Delta7>
Message-ID: <4E554C7E.3090009@gmail.com>



On 08/24/2011 09:49 AM, Robert Adkins II wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jim Broughton [mailto:spjamesb at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:34 PM
>> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
>> Cc: Robert Adkins II
>> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Any good resources for IPTables?
>>
>> Are you looking to build custom chains or just work within
>> the standard set?
>>
>> I have written a few small firewall scripts and I have found
>> your best bet is the man page for iptables itself. The first
>> thing you have to do is write down a description in English
>> as to exactly what you wish to accomplish. As in... If an
>> incoming packet from ip address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is trying to
>> initiate a connection to port 25 should it be allowed
>> through. Or I don't want any connections to port 22 except
>> for these ip address or this ip range that I determine should
>> be able to connect.
>>
>> I find that being able to look at examples is a great way to
>> learn so...
>>
>> Perhaps if you threaten me enough I'll even send you a
>> modified for safety version of one that has been keeping a
>> couple of my administered sites safe for over 5 years.
>> The firewall contains some good examples of connection
>> logging, limiting connection hits, nat, port forwarding with
>> and without logging and country blocking.
>>
> 	I want to build some custom chains.
>
> 	I have written out the English of what I am looking to achieve. It's
> just the action of getting that into the proper format and the correct
> location that I haven't discovered.
>
> 	-Rob
>
>
Why not just go ahead an post just what your looking to do EXACTLY and
maybe I can post a rule or two to send you on your way.

Jim



From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Fri Aug 26 00:14:51 2011
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 00:14:51 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Dymo 450 Twin Turbo Won't Switch Rolls
In-Reply-To: <20110821192953.23320283@peter-t61.site>
References: <20110821192953.23320283@peter-t61.site>
Message-ID: <CAD39dTZtaaZ05sXY9pFu34=DbOdNgB7L3-zzHuiPmip7KDDjTA@mail.gmail.com>

To compile a program you need the "development" versions of the
libraries installed.


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Fri Aug 26 15:26:02 2011
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:26:02 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Any good resources for IPTables?
In-Reply-To: <4E554C7E.3090009@gmail.com>
References: <E91897A219184F129E626434B2A8570C@Delta7>
	<4E5462FD.8070802@gmail.com>
	<5C2F71EA8F3F40E2B30ED6B461F2D258@Delta7>
	<4E554C7E.3090009@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD39dTYSG5dGNSE0C8cYg+NWV_zZtSwuBb4r3fRwFOEruxqzpw@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2011/01/iptables-fundamentals/

On 8/24/11, Jim Broughton <spjamesb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 08/24/2011 09:49 AM, Robert Adkins II wrote:
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jim Broughton [mailto:spjamesb at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:34 PM
>>> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
>>> Cc: Robert Adkins II
>>> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Any good resources for IPTables?
>>>
>>> Are you looking to build custom chains or just work within
>>> the standard set?
>>>
>>> I have written a few small firewall scripts and I have found
>>> your best bet is the man page for iptables itself. The first
>>> thing you have to do is write down a description in English
>>> as to exactly what you wish to accomplish. As in... If an
>>> incoming packet from ip address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is trying to
>>> initiate a connection to port 25 should it be allowed
>>> through. Or I don't want any connections to port 22 except
>>> for these ip address or this ip range that I determine should
>>> be able to connect.
>>>
>>> I find that being able to look at examples is a great way to
>>> learn so...
>>>
>>> Perhaps if you threaten me enough I'll even send you a
>>> modified for safety version of one that has been keeping a
>>> couple of my administered sites safe for over 5 years.
>>> The firewall contains some good examples of connection
>>> logging, limiting connection hits, nat, port forwarding with
>>> and without logging and country blocking.
>>>
>> 	I want to build some custom chains.
>>
>> 	I have written out the English of what I am looking to achieve. It's
>> just the action of getting that into the proper format and the correct
>> location that I haven't discovered.
>>
>> 	-Rob
>>
>>
> Why not just go ahead an post just what your looking to do EXACTLY and
> maybe I can post a rule or two to send you on your way.
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


From petertheplumber at att.net  Sun Aug 28 20:57:31 2011
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 20:57:31 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Dymo 450 Twin Turbo Won't Switch Rolls
In-Reply-To: <CAD39dTZtaaZ05sXY9pFu34=DbOdNgB7L3-zzHuiPmip7KDDjTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20110821192953.23320283@peter-t61.site>
	<CAD39dTZtaaZ05sXY9pFu34=DbOdNgB7L3-zzHuiPmip7KDDjTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110828205731.648a1a81@peter-t61.site>

On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 00:14:51 -0400
Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com> wrote:

> To compile a program you need the "development" versions of the
> libraries installed.
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug

	Thanks for the pointer, I installed libgnomecups-devel and
	cups-ddk and I was able to proceed. Sadly it seems to have had
	no effect on being able to switch to the right side printing
	roll. 

-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber
<petertheplumber at att.net>


From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 29 12:26:14 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:26:14 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Dymo 450 Twin Turbo Won't Switch Rolls
In-Reply-To: <20110828205731.648a1a81@peter-t61.site>
References: <20110821192953.23320283@peter-t61.site>
	<CAD39dTZtaaZ05sXY9pFu34=DbOdNgB7L3-zzHuiPmip7KDDjTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110828205731.648a1a81@peter-t61.site>
Message-ID: <4E5BBDA6.4070806@gmail.com>

Peter Bart wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 00:14:51 -0400
> Jeff Hanson<jhansonxi at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> To compile a program you need the "development" versions of the
>> libraries installed.
 >>
>
> 	Thanks for the pointer, I installed libgnomecups-devel and
> 	cups-ddk and I was able to proceed. Sadly it seems to have had
> 	no effect on being able to switch to the right side printing
> 	roll.
>

what output do you get from the following:

cd /usr/bin ; ls -alart | tail -20






From petertheplumber at att.net  Mon Aug 29 17:30:45 2011
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 17:30:45 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Dymo 450 Twin Turbo Won't Switch Rolls
In-Reply-To: <4E5BBDA6.4070806@gmail.com>
References: <20110821192953.23320283@peter-t61.site>
	<CAD39dTZtaaZ05sXY9pFu34=DbOdNgB7L3-zzHuiPmip7KDDjTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110828205731.648a1a81@peter-t61.site>
	<4E5BBDA6.4070806@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110829173045.09cd045e@peter-t61.site>

On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:26:14 -0400
Aaron Kulkis <akulkis00 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Peter Bart wrote:
> > On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 00:14:51 -0400
> > Jeff Hanson<jhansonxi at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >
> >> To compile a program you need the "development" versions of the
> >> libraries installed.
>  >>
> >
> > 	Thanks for the pointer, I installed libgnomecups-devel and
> > 	cups-ddk and I was able to proceed. Sadly it seems to have
> > had no effect on being able to switch to the right side printing
> > 	roll.
> >
> 
> what output do you get from the following:
> 
> cd /usr/bin ; ls -alart | tail -20

	I'm wondering if I have a bad one, I'm about to see if I can
	exchange it. FWIW CUPS says it's at
	<usb://DYMO/LabelWriter%20450%20Twin%20Turbo?serial=10070409151520>
	Here you go:

peter at peter-t61:~> cd /usr/bin ; ls -alart | tail -20
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  root       12376 2011-08-05 18:24 mencvcd
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  root     9561896 2011-08-05 18:25 mencoder
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  root    11041320 2011-08-05 18:25 mplayer
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  root    14569664 2011-08-08 11:51 ghb
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  root    10688296 2011-08-10 06:10 flashplayer
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  root      111632 2011-08-10 12:18 foomatic-rip
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  root       10600 2011-08-13 11:54 xine-list-1.1
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  root          10 2011-08-14 20:16 sylpheed-claws ->
claws-mail 
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  root          31 2011-08-14 20:17 seamonkey
-> ../lib64/seamonkey/seamonkey.sh 
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          35 2011-08-14 20:17 thunderbird
-> ../lib64/thunderbird/thunderbird.sh 
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           8 2011-08-14 20:18 gimp -> gimp-2.6
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          16 2011-08-14 20:18 gimp-console ->
gimp-console-2.6 
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  root           7 2011-08-14 20:18
gmplayer -> mplayer 
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  root           3 2011-08-14 20:19 HandBrakeGUI ->
ghb 
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  root           7 2011-08-18 21:46 cc -> gcc-4.5
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  root           8 2011-08-18 21:46 gcov -> gcov-4.5
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  root           7 2011-08-18 21:46 gcc -> gcc-4.5
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  root           7 2011-08-18 21:46 g++ -> g++-4.5
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  root           7 2011-08-18 21:46 c++ -> g++-4.5
drwxr-xr-x  2 root  root       69632 2011-08-28 20:26 .


-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber
<petertheplumber at att.net>


From ldaphelp at thuemmel.com  Tue Aug  2 21:59:34 2011
From: ldaphelp at thuemmel.com (Mark Thuemmel)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 21:59:34 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Discuss] Ohio LinuxFest Registration is Open for
	Business!
In-Reply-To: <CAHnui=QGeh7E-CL_1_bb6YcUFV9uv3AXJpY5VAS8KdiE10joDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHnui=QGeh7E-CL_1_bb6YcUFV9uv3AXJpY5VAS8KdiE10joDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E38AB86.6040303@thuemmel.com>

On 08/02/2011 08:35 PM, Kevin O'Brien wrote:
> The premier Linux event in the Mid-West USA will run Sept. 9 through
> Sept. 11 in Columbus, Ohio, and registration is now open to all.
> Keynoters include Cathy Malmrose, Bradley Kuhn, and Jon ?maddog? Hall.
> There is an extensive Medical track focusing on the use of Open Source
> in various aspects of medicine, training from the Ohio LinuxFest
> Institute, and a great slate of presentations. Register now and reserve
> your place. http://www.ohiolinux.org/catalog/1 .
>
> As always, we have a ?Enthusiast? category for those short on funds. If
> you pre-register at the Web site, you can join us free of charge.
> Walk-ins will be charged a small fee.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kevin B. O'Brien

I'm from Michigan and I went last year for the first time and enjoyed it 
so much I'm already booked for this year.  Asterisk/Digium guy will be 
there and Bradley Kuhn is a MUST see for the GPL/OS lovers out there.

I believe Beth Lynn, one of the OhioLinuxFest organizers, predicted the 
Linux takeover would hit critical mass this summer, will be nice to hear 
a list of all the ways John Doe uses Linux everyday, even if it's not 
the Desktop.

Looks like a good number of Linux tracks Friday and Saturday.  I'm 
getting excited.

Instead of taking the LPIC test on Sunday at a discount rate, I'll 
probably attend the Diversity in Open Source Workshop again to see how 
we can make the ladies and other diverse groups more welcome in the 
Linux community.

I hope Penguicon here in Michigan has this much Linux/OS/GPL loving 
going on next year.

Hopefully Jorge will be there Friday for UbuCon to help get the party 
rolling.  Last years parties weren?t too shabby, got my picture with Mad 
Dog and a beer....

In my world, this is a MUST attend for any Linux enthusiast in a state 
that touches Ohio.

Mark



From nadreck at palain.com  Tue Aug  2 20:35:56 2011
From: nadreck at palain.com (Kevin O'Brien)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 20:35:56 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Ohio LinuxFest Registration is Open for Business!
Message-ID: <CAHnui=QGeh7E-CL_1_bb6YcUFV9uv3AXJpY5VAS8KdiE10joDA@mail.gmail.com>

The premier Linux event in the Mid-West USA will run Sept. 9 through Sept.
11 in Columbus, Ohio, and registration is now open to all. Keynoters include
Cathy Malmrose, Bradley Kuhn, and Jon ?maddog? Hall. There is an extensive
Medical track focusing on the use of Open Source in various aspects of
medicine, training from the Ohio LinuxFest Institute, and a great slate of
presentations. Register now and reserve your place.
http://www.ohiolinux.org/catalog/1 .

As always, we have a ?Enthusiast? category for those short on funds. If you
pre-register at the Web site, you can join us free of charge. Walk-ins will
be charged a small fee.

Regards,

Kevin B. O'Brien
nadreck at palain.com


From gib at juno.com  Mon Aug  1 08:45:16 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:45:16 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] You're Invited -- TechShop Detroit Open House Events,
	This Sunday and 	 Monday!
Message-ID: <20110801.084516.26323.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>

Just another reminder.

TechShow Detroit open house tonight 8/1/2011 Noon - 8:00PM EST. 800 Republic Drive, Allen Park, MI 48101 (just behind the Lion's Football Practice field).  TechShop is a member's based do-it-yourself workshop that provides you with the tools, equipment, training and a vibrant supportative environment of creative people and staff to help bring your ideas to life.

http://TechShop.ws


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org,  discuss at mug.org
Cc: cposada at hakcomputers.com
Subject: You're Invited -- TechShop Detroit Open House Events, This Sunday and  Monday!
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 13:27:00 GMT

This weekend is Maker Faire this is a show at The Henry Ford for people who make 
stuff.

I just saw a note from TechShop. they plan to open in Dearborn in 
November. 

http://techshop.ws/ts_detroit.html

The Dearborn site has a Maker Faire Wrap Party and open house going Sunday 7/31 8Pm - 
11PM and again Monday Noon - 8 PM.  The address is 800 Republic Drive Allen Park, MI 
48101.

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From carl at carltm.com  Wed Aug  3 21:38:08 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 21:38:08 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] training spamassassin
Message-ID: <d48db01ede4791cdb0b8147cd398838e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Hi All,

I'm reading up on spamassassin and didn't realize that
it was possible to train the Bayesian filter.  Does anyone
use spamassassin that has it configured so that users can
report mis-identified messages?  That's the one thing that
I need to learn how to do before I can use it in production.

c




From rk111810 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  3 22:43:48 2011
From: rk111810 at gmail.com (R KANNAN)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 22:43:48 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Ever increasing resolv.conf file
Message-ID: <CABX2cSEzhGg2_TO7GhMFfpX2mYw7p7ipDuErRGXCTyK1zUqsZg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I had some strange problems while booting my laptop on Suse 10.1 and I
found it kept hanging. When I tried to login as root, it will hang.

Checking 'top' I found that there were a number of 'sed' processes
hogging the system resources.

Then I ran 'fsck' on all the mounted systems (reiserfs and xfs) and
they came out negative for errors.

Then I found that the sizes of 'resolv.conf' and
'resolv.conf.saved.by.dhcpd.eth0' to be 700 MB each in length. SuSE
seems to be adding more and more comment lines of the form

#
### END INFO

to this file whenever I connect to the network and backing it up as
'resolv.conf.saved.by.dhcpd.eth0'. I wonder if this is the cause of
the hang ups.

I turned it off by setting  'MODIFY_RESOLV_CONF_DYNAMICALLY="no" in
/etc/sysconfig/network/config. This seemed to have resolved the problem.

Surprising I could not find this issue by googling.


From muteid10t at gmail.com  Wed Aug  3 22:43:07 2011
From: muteid10t at gmail.com (Ron Blanchett)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 22:43:07 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] training spamassassin
In-Reply-To: <d48db01ede4791cdb0b8147cd398838e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <d48db01ede4791cdb0b8147cd398838e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <CAEv4-NnNs7x3KZ8tnO6qYdaFzTBb3LUO31C=kSijLD7gPZwnjg@mail.gmail.com>

Last time I set it up I didn't have to train it at all, I don't recall
ever having a false positive.
My last setup was put into production approx. 4 years ago.

-Ron

"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from
within what you are trying to defend from without." -- President
Dwight Eisenhower



On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Carl T. Miller <carl at carltm.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm reading up on spamassassin and didn't realize that
> it was possible to train the Bayesian filter. ?Does anyone
> use spamassassin that has it configured so that users can
> report mis-identified messages? ?That's the one thing that
> I need to learn how to do before I can use it in production.
>
> c
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>


From awilliam at whitemice.org  Thu Aug  4 08:48:02 2011
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 08:48:02 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] training spamassassin
In-Reply-To: <d48db01ede4791cdb0b8147cd398838e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <d48db01ede4791cdb0b8147cd398838e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <1312462083.10343.3.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 21:38 -0400, Carl T. Miller wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I'm reading up on spamassassin and didn't realize that
> it was possible to train the Bayesian filter.  Does anyone
> use spamassassin that has it configured so that users can
> report mis-identified messages?  That's the one thing that
> I need to learn how to do before I can use it in production.

Yes, the simplest way is to move reported SPAM/HAM to specified global
folders and to use fetchmail to pull the messages from those folders and
feed them to spamassassin.

su -l spamd --command='fetchmail --all --silent --norewrite  \
                                 --folder "Shared
Folders.departments.cis.report-ham" \
                                  --mda "sa-learn --ham"'

su -l spamd --command='fetchmail --all --silent --norewrite \
                                  --folder "Shared
Folders.departments.cis.report-spam" \
                                  --mda "sa-learn --spam"'



From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  4 10:17:44 2011
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 07:17:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Google dust up
Message-ID: <1312467464.73055.YahooMailNeo@web37902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

http://www.linkedin.com/news?actionBar=&articleID=680022834&ids=0Me3AOc38Me3oIdz8NcP4PejsSb3kMcPkUdjATdyMTejAMc38Me3oId3cUcz8Mc3wS&aag=true&freq=weekly&trk=eml-tod-b-ttle-4

My tweet:

@BradSmi? Regardless
of what you are doing LEGALLY there are a lot of computer users that don?t like
MS? and are forced to live with your
products.

Google foundation is built on Linux. It just seems that Microsoft is throwing a lot of resources to slow the progression of Linux and open source OS's.

What are you thoughts on this?

David C. Lane?


From awilliam at whitemice.org  Thu Aug  4 10:41:45 2011
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 10:41:45 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Google dust up
In-Reply-To: <1312467464.73055.YahooMailNeo@web37902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1312467464.73055.YahooMailNeo@web37902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1312468906.10343.8.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 07:17 -0700, David Lane wrote:
> http://www.linkedin.com/news?actionBar=&articleID=680022834&ids=0Me3AOc38Me3oIdz8NcP4PejsSb3kMcPkUdjATdyMTejAMc38Me3oId3cUcz8Mc3wS&aag=true&freq=weekly&trk=eml-tod-b-ttle-4
> My tweet:
> @BradSmi  Regardless
> of what you are doing LEGALLY there are a lot of computer users that don?t like
> MS  and are forced to live with your
> products.
> Google foundation is built on Linux. 

So are an inumerable number of things, including [almost certainly] your
new flat-screen TV.

> It just seems that Microsoft is throwing a lot of resources to slow the progression of Linux and open source OS's.

Bogus Bogus Bogus.  Still with the Microsoft hate?  That is so 1990s.

Microsoft has contributed substantially to Open Source.  They have
committed code to the kernel.  They actively assist Samba & OpenMAPI.
They invite Mono to the .NET conferences.   I see no evidence at all of
attempts to 'slow the progression' of Open Source beyond simply
competing in the marketplaces.

Microsoft is a proprietary software company.  So is Google.

> What are you thoughts on this?




From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  4 11:19:53 2011
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 08:19:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Google dust up
In-Reply-To: <1312468906.10343.8.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
References: <1312467464.73055.YahooMailNeo@web37902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1312468906.10343.8.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
Message-ID: <1312471193.32731.YahooMailNeo@web37901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Not really hate. Frustration.

I have had systems admins force the migration Windows for services that are working just fine, Talking about "Support."


In the case of Windows phones, my Samsung Black Jack II just stopped working (Windows mobile), Nothing was wrong with the hardware.? I replaced it with an HTC Android? phone.
I love it. Android has made a dent in the market share. I wonder why?? 


I put my money where my mouth is, not only do I down load Linux I buy it.?

Yes in the 90's Google chose Linux because it could not afford the licensing model Of Microsoft with 8,000 servers and a few licenses bought and modified Linux for performance. Something you could NEVER do with MS Windows. The flexibility of Linux has made its way into a lot of places in our lives in a lot of ways making the produce competitive.??

In this case I will VOTE for Google/Linux with my wallet.



________________________________
From: Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam at whitemice.org>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Google dust up

On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 07:17 -0700, David Lane wrote:
> http://www.linkedin.com/news?actionBar=&articleID=680022834&ids=0Me3AOc38Me3oIdz8NcP4PejsSb3kMcPkUdjATdyMTejAMc38Me3oId3cUcz8Mc3wS&aag=true&freq=weekly&trk=eml-tod-b-ttle-4
> My tweet:
> @BradSmi? Regardless
> of what you are doing LEGALLY there are a lot of computer users that don?t like
> MS? and are forced to live with your
> products.
> Google foundation is built on Linux. 

So are an inumerable number of things, including [almost certainly] your
new flat-screen TV.

> It just seems that Microsoft is throwing a lot of resources to slow the progression of Linux and open source OS's.

Bogus Bogus Bogus.? Still with the Microsoft hate?? That is so 1990s.

Microsoft has contributed substantially to Open Source.? They have
committed code to the kernel.? They actively assist Samba & OpenMAPI.
They invite Mono to the .NET conferences.?  I see no evidence at all of
attempts to 'slow the progression' of Open Source beyond simply
competing in the marketplaces.

Microsoft is a proprietary software company.? So is Google.

> What are you thoughts on this?


_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 11:38:25 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 11:38:25 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Ever increasing resolv.conf file
In-Reply-To: <CABX2cSEzhGg2_TO7GhMFfpX2mYw7p7ipDuErRGXCTyK1zUqsZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABX2cSEzhGg2_TO7GhMFfpX2mYw7p7ipDuErRGXCTyK1zUqsZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E3ABCF1.5000306@gmail.com>

R KANNAN wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I had some strange problems while booting my laptop on Suse 10.1 and I
> found it kept hanging. When I tried to login as root, it will hang.
> 
> Checking 'top' I found that there were a number of 'sed' processes
> hogging the system resources.
> 
> Then I ran 'fsck' on all the mounted systems (reiserfs and xfs) and
> they came out negative for errors.
> 
> Then I found that the sizes of 'resolv.conf' and
> 'resolv.conf.saved.by.dhcpd.eth0' to be 700 MB each in length. SuSE
> seems to be adding more and more comment lines of the form
> 
> #
> ### END INFO
> 
> to this file whenever I connect to the network and backing it up as
> 'resolv.conf.saved.by.dhcpd.eth0'. I wonder if this is the cause of
> the hang ups.
> 
> I turned it off by setting  'MODIFY_RESOLV_CONF_DYNAMICALLY="no" in
> /etc/sysconfig/network/config. This seemed to have resolved the problem.
> 
> Surprising I could not find this issue by googling.

Don't know, but SuSE 10.1 hasn't been current since the
fall of 2006, and SuSE stopped supplying patches and
updates for it in 2007.  You should probably update
your system -- there's been a lot of water under the
bridge -- in terms of vulnerability patches, etc.
since then.



From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  4 12:21:28 2011
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:21:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books
Message-ID: <1312474888.66464.YahooMailNeo@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I just wanted feed back on Suse 11.4 on note books. 


1. Does it find network cards?
2. Does it support Web cams? 


David C. Lane 


From mat.enders at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 12:30:08 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 16:30:08 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books
In-Reply-To: <1312474888.66464.YahooMailNeo@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1312474888.66464.YahooMailNeo@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <590466131-1312475409-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1247080948-@b25.c27.bise6.blackberry>

My son runs it on his Dell with no issues wireless just worked. He does not use a webcam. 
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: David Lane <dcl400m at yahoo.com>
Sender: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:21:28 
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list<mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: David Lane <dcl400m at yahoo.com>,
	MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books

I just wanted feed back on Suse 11.4 on note books. 


1. Does it find network cards?
2. Does it support Web cams? 


David C. Lane 
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
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From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  4 12:45:59 2011
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:45:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books
In-Reply-To: <590466131-1312475409-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1247080948-@b25.c27.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1312474888.66464.YahooMailNeo@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<590466131-1312475409-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1247080948-@b25.c27.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <1312476359.53873.YahooMailNeo@web37906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm thinking about it because I will be getting a note book with a built-in wireless and webcam. 


Video meeting and support is a wonderful thing.



________________________________
From: "mat.enders at gmail.com" <mat.enders at gmail.com>
To: David Lane <dcl400m at yahoo.com>; MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books

My son runs it on his Dell with no issues wireless just worked. He does not use a webcam. 
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: David Lane <dcl400m at yahoo.com>
Sender: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:21:28 
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list<mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: David Lane <dcl400m at yahoo.com>,
??? MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books

I just wanted feed back on Suse 11.4 on note books. 


1. Does it find network cards?
2. Does it support Web cams? 


David C. Lane 
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug 


From tesral at wowway.com  Thu Aug  4 12:52:49 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:52:49 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Lightweight portable security
Message-ID: <4E3ACE61.2030009@wowway.com>

FYI I have added this distro to the library.

Lightweight Portable Security (LPS) creates a secure end node from
trusted media on almost any Intel-based computer (PC or Mac). LPS boots
a thin Linux operating system from a CD or USB flash stick without
mounting a local hard drive. Administrator privileges are not required;
nothing is installed. The ATSPI Technology Office created the LPS family
to address particular use cases. LPS-Public is a safer, general-purpose
solution for using web-based applications. The accredited LPS-Remote
Access <https://spi.dod.mil/COOP/DoD_reg_SSL.htm> is only for accessing
your organization's private network.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From tesral at wowway.com  Thu Aug  4 12:58:48 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:58:48 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books
In-Reply-To: <1312474888.66464.YahooMailNeo@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1312474888.66464.YahooMailNeo@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4E3ACFC8.7040704@wowway.com>

David Lane wrote:
> I just wanted feed back on Suse 11.4 on note books. 
>
>
> 1. Does it find network cards?
> 2. Does it support Web cams? 
>   

I'm working an install of openSuSE 11.4 into shape on my laptop right
now.  (Lenovo T-61)

1:  Yes it found the network card right off the bat, so far no issues.

2:  It should, as Suse 11.0 did.  I have not tried to use my web cam yet.

TAC:  Typing Around Cat.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From awilliam at whitemice.org  Thu Aug  4 14:13:34 2011
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 14:13:34 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books
In-Reply-To: <1312474888.66464.YahooMailNeo@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1312474888.66464.YahooMailNeo@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1312481616.8554.4.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 09:21 -0700, David Lane wrote:
> I just wanted feed back on Suse 11.4 on note books. 

I assume you mean openSUSE 11.4, because there is no such thing as Suse
11.4.  SuSE != openSUSE

I've used openSUSE exclusively on my laptop(s) for years.  It has the
best hardware support, best management tools, and smoothest installation
of any distribution - full stop.  It also ships the normal stack rather
than cobbling together something of its own.

> 1. Does it find network cards?

Yes, but it depends of course.  Don't buy a laptop with a piece-of-crap
NIC/WIC.

Buy hardware to work with your software; do not try to find software to
work on your hardware.

> 2. Does it support Web cams? 

Yes.  I just start Cheese and there I am.  No setup required.  I plug in
my external webcam and Cheese offers me two input sources - both work.
Zero setup.



From petertheplumber at att.net  Thu Aug  4 15:09:59 2011
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 15:09:59 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books
In-Reply-To: <1312481616.8554.4.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
References: <1312474888.66464.YahooMailNeo@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1312481616.8554.4.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
Message-ID: <20110804150959.4e31f0bd@peter-eee>

On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 14:13:34 -0400
Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam at whitemice.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 09:21 -0700, David Lane wrote:
> > I just wanted feed back on Suse 11.4 on note books. 
> 
> I assume you mean openSUSE 11.4, because there is no such thing as
> Suse 11.4.  SuSE != openSUSE
> 
> I've used openSUSE exclusively on my laptop(s) for years.  It has the
> best hardware support, best management tools, and smoothest
> installation of any distribution - full stop.  It also ships the
> normal stack rather than cobbling together something of its own.
> 
> > 1. Does it find network cards?
> 
> Yes, but it depends of course.  Don't buy a laptop with a
> piece-of-crap NIC/WIC.
> 
> Buy hardware to work with your software; do not try to find software
> to work on your hardware.
> 
> > 2. Does it support Web cams? 
> 
> Yes.  I just start Cheese and there I am.  No setup required.  I plug
> in my external webcam and Cheese offers me two input sources - both
> work. Zero setup.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug

	I'll echo Adams assessment. I have two openSUSE 11.4 64 bit
	installations working, one on a T61 Thinkpad w/an external
	camera and the other on a P205 Toshiba Satellite w/a built in
	camera. The fingerprint readers are rather finicky, but
	otherwise it just works. 

-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber
<petertheplumber at att.net>


From tony at bemushosting.com  Fri Aug  5 09:48:42 2011
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 09:48:42 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [ubuntu-us-mi] BarCamp Grand Rapids]
Message-ID: <1312552122.28415.1.camel@bemus-tony>

I went to the Grand Rapids Barcamp a few years ago and I loved it.  You
should look at this.  I won't be able to go because I will be on
vacation but I'm sure if there are a few people interested then you can
car pool to Grand Rapids.

Tony 

-------- Forwarded Message --------
From: Ben Rousch <brousch at gmail.com>
Reply-to: Ubuntu Michigan Local Community Team
<ubuntu-us-mi at lists.ubuntu.com>
To: Ubuntu Michigan LoCo <ubuntu-us-mi at lists.ubuntu.com>
Subject: [ubuntu-us-mi] BarCamp Grand Rapids
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 09:15:18 -0400

For all of you West Michigan lurkers and East-siders that don't mind
driving a couple of hours to the experience the most funnest
conference in Grand Rapids:

---

Rule #1 of BarCamp: you DO talk about BarCamp.

http://barcampgr.org/

We're proud to announce Grand Rapids' sixth BarCamp. BarCamp is a
technology & design unconference where the campers (you) determine
what's on the schedule. This ad-hoc unconference is an intense event
with discussions, demos, and a chance to interact with fellow
attendees. Anyone with something to contribute or with the desire to
learn is welcome and invited to participate.

Although most of the talks are about computers and programming, we've
also had talks topics like home brewing beer, lasers, startups, and
management. There's really no telling what will be talked about - it's
up to you to and your fellow campers!

If you've been to BarCampGR in the past, you know how great it is.
Well this year we have a few new things to make it even more awesome.

Online Session Grid
Don't worry, we're not getting rid of the trusty old paper and marker
session grid you've grown to love. We're just adding to it. We'll have
a URL you can visit on your computer or smartphone to see a picture of
the session grid without having to crowd into the hallway. We may even
have an Android app!

Wall of Groups
One wall will be set aside as a place to hang up a letter-sized poster
for a group you represent. If you lead a user group, technical group,
or just a group that you think might appeal to BarCampers, bring along
a letter-sized poster to hang on the wall. You will probably want to
include contact information so interested campers can join up. There
will also be a place to list groups you'd be interested in joining,
but that don't exist yet.

Book Swap
This year we're having a book swap and donation. Bring exactly 2
technical books to BarCamp and leave them on the designated table. You
can then pick 1 or 0 books from the table some time before you leave.
Those books remaining at the end of BarCamp will be donated to the
local library system for all of the up-and-coming geeks to enjoy.

WHEN: Friday evening, August 19 and Saturday, August 20, 2011

WHERE: DeVos Communications Center, Calvin College, Grand Rapids, MI

COST: Free! But everyone is encouraged to present something and be
involved, even if you've never given a talk before.

WHAT: ??? -- ultimately each camper has an opportunity to help
determine the content.

You can register and find out more information about BarCamp Grand
Rapids at http://barcampgr.org/, or about BarCamps in general at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp

-- 
 Ben Rousch
   brousch at gmail.com
   http://clusterbleep.net/




From ldaphelp at thuemmel.com  Fri Aug  5 20:48:49 2011
From: ldaphelp at thuemmel.com (Mark Thuemmel)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 20:48:49 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Las Vegas man accused of mass spamming on Facebook
In-Reply-To: <1312552122.28415.1.camel@bemus-tony>
References: <1312552122.28415.1.camel@bemus-tony>
Message-ID: <4E3C8F71.3090002@thuemmel.com>

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9OU78100.htm

Sanford Wallace is apparently at it again.


From gib at juno.com  Fri Aug  5 21:46:13 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 01:46:13 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Lightweight portable security
Message-ID: <20110805.214613.13468.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com>

That sounds like a great solution for use of a public computer, say in a library.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Garry Stahl <tesral at wowway.com>
To: MDLUG Main <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] Lightweight portable security
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:52:49 -0400

FYI I have added this distro to the library.

Lightweight Portable Security (LPS) creates a secure end node from
trusted media on almost any Intel-based computer (PC or Mac). LPS boots
a thin Linux operating system from a CD or USB flash stick without
mounting a local hard drive. Administrator privileges are not required;
nothing is installed. The ATSPI Technology Office created the LPS family
to address particular use cases. LPS-Public is a safer, general-purpose
solution for using web-based applications. The accredited LPS-Remote
Access <https://spi.dod.mil/COOP/DoD_reg_SSL.htm> is only for accessing
your organization's private network.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org

_______________________________________________
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From gib at juno.com  Fri Aug  5 21:47:41 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 01:47:41 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books
Message-ID: <20110805.214741.13468.2@webmail16.vgs.untd.com>

You can buy small web cams at Microcenter.com cheap ($15).  They seem to work right out of the box on Ubuntu so I'd have high expectations on SuSe too.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Garry Stahl <tesral at wowway.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:58:48 -0400

David Lane wrote:
> I just wanted feed back on Suse 11.4 on note books. 
>
>
> 1. Does it find network cards?
> 2. Does it support Web cams? 
>   

I'm working an install of openSuSE 11.4 into shape on my laptop right
now.  (Lenovo T-61)

1:  Yes it found the network card right off the bat, so far no issues.

2:  It should, as Suse 11.0 did.  I have not tried to use my web cam yet.

TAC:  Typing Around Cat.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org

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From carl at carltm.com  Fri Aug  5 21:54:44 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 21:54:44 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [ubuntu-us-mi] BarCamp Grand Rapids]
In-Reply-To: <1312552122.28415.1.camel@bemus-tony>
References: <1312552122.28415.1.camel@bemus-tony>
Message-ID: <45eb9f6b78aa773a03b290221d301328.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Tony Bemus wrote:
> I went to the Grand Rapids Barcamp a few years ago and I loved it.  You
> should look at this.  I won't be able to go because I will be on
> vacation but I'm sure if there are a few people interested then you can
> car pool to Grand Rapids.

Agreed!  I've been to four of them, and I can't wait
for the next.  It's great to just hang out with a bunch
of interesting people talking about what they do and
what's new.

> You can register and find out more information about BarCamp Grand
> Rapids at http://barcampgr.org/, or about BarCamps in general at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp
>
> --
>  Ben Rousch
>    brousch at gmail.com
>    http://clusterbleep.net/




From gib at juno.com  Fri Aug  5 21:54:32 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 01:54:32 GMT
Subject: [mdlug]  SUSE 11.4 on note books
Message-ID: <20110805.215432.13468.4@webmail16.vgs.untd.com>

In our last Mug.org meeting I plugged this cam in and downloaded Cheese and started it right up without issue:

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0332678
 

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam at whitemice.org>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: Re: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 14:13:34 -0400

On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 09:21 -0700, David Lane wrote:
> I just wanted feed back on Suse 11.4 on note books. 

I assume you mean openSUSE 11.4, because there is no such thing as Suse
11.4.  SuSE != openSUSE

I've used openSUSE exclusively on my laptop(s) for years.  It has the
best hardware support, best management tools, and smoothest installation
of any distribution - full stop.  It also ships the normal stack rather
than cobbling together something of its own.

> 1. Does it find network cards?

Yes, but it depends of course.  Don't buy a laptop with a piece-of-crap
NIC/WIC.

Buy hardware to work with your software; do not try to find software to
work on your hardware.

> 2. Does it support Web cams? 

Yes.  I just start Cheese and there I am.  No setup required.  I plug in
my external webcam and Cheese offers me two input sources - both work.
Zero setup.

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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  5 23:45:16 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 23:45:16 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books
In-Reply-To: <1312474888.66464.YahooMailNeo@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1312474888.66464.YahooMailNeo@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4E3CB8CC.3050807@gmail.com>

David Lane wrote:
> I just wanted feed back on Suse 11.4 on note books. 
> 
> 
> 1. Does it find network cards?
> 2. Does it support Web cams? 


Works great on my HP dv8000 series laptop.

Network interface chips and web cams are identical
regardless of the size of the computer.


From tesral at wowway.com  Sat Aug  6 01:30:15 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 01:30:15 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books
In-Reply-To: <20110805.214741.13468.2@webmail16.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20110805.214741.13468.2@webmail16.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4E3CD167.9090009@wowway.com>

gib at juno.com wrote:
> You can buy small web cams at Microcenter.com cheap ($15).  They seem to work right out of the box on Ubuntu so I'd have high expectations on SuSe too.
>   

I have one, but have not used it as of yet.  The webcam is low on my
list of priorities.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Sat Aug  6 02:42:53 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 02:42:53 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books
In-Reply-To: <4E3CD167.9090009@wowway.com>
References: <20110805.214741.13468.2@webmail16.vgs.untd.com>
	<4E3CD167.9090009@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <4E3CE26D.3060206@gmail.com>

Garry Stahl wrote:
> gib at juno.com wrote:
>> You can buy small web cams at Microcenter.com cheap ($15).  They seem to work right out of the box on Ubuntu so I'd have high expectations on SuSe too.
>>   
> 
> I have one, but have not used it as of yet.  The webcam is low on my
> list of priorities.
> 

It takes about 30 seconds to test one

1: plug in webcam
2: $ cheese


From tesral at wowway.com  Sat Aug  6 02:33:27 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 02:33:27 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SUSE 11.4 on note books
In-Reply-To: <4E3CE26D.3060206@gmail.com>
References: <20110805.214741.13468.2@webmail16.vgs.untd.com>	<4E3CD167.9090009@wowway.com>
	<4E3CE26D.3060206@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E3CE037.9020907@wowway.com>

Aaron Kulkis wrote:

> It takes about 30 seconds to test one
>
> 1: plug in webcam
> 2: $ cheese

Like I said, low.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From fulner at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 12:57:50 2011
From: fulner at gmail.com (Robert Jim Fulner)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:57:50 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Magic Linux Metadata normalizer
In-Reply-To: <4E310136.9070208@gmail.com>
References: <4E310136.9070208@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGiHCwON1da-4FQ19kUjXwt5M4nL-BUnKN83cPy7RK0yGgXoLA@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Robert Jim Fulner <fulner at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 2:27 AM
Subject: Magic Linux Metadata normalizer
To: mdlug at mdlug.org


Greetings,

OK, so I'm hoping that such a thing actually exists, thought I'd be
surprised. In the past though, many of you have surprised me beyond my
wildest dreams.

So for years I've had a strange hodge podge of a music library. I have
no consistency at all in the way stuff is marked. I have several
directors, labeled MP3 and Music that have a bunch of random files in
them. Some of these files have the correct meta data, most have, some
sort of meta data (I remember for a while when most every I had was
marked as "Blues" for genre simply becuase it was first
alphabetically).

I'm wondering if there is any magic GNU/Linux music normalizer. And by
that I mean some sort of application or trick that will force my
machine to go in and reorder everything the way its "suposed to"
Something like /full-path-to-music-library/Artist/Album/Track#_TrackTitle.ogg
and/or take some of that information that is include in some of the
file names (or whatever) and rewrite the metadata "correctly". No, I
have no idea how something like that would even work in theory, guess
I'll but my money on Penguin Voodoo.

When searching the Internet all I learned is that the word normalize
means something quite different than how I intended it to.

I guess the biggest reason I have decided to care is that when I
connect my Android to the car radio half of my songs show up with the
album art from Madonna's "Music" album. Although it was funny at
first, the humor factor has kind of wore off.


--
==
Jim Fulner
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Berkley, MI 48072
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From ldaphelp at thuemmel.com  Wed Aug 10 13:08:36 2011
From: ldaphelp at thuemmel.com (Mark Thuemmel)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 13:08:36 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Magic Linux Metadata normalizer
In-Reply-To: <CAGiHCwON1da-4FQ19kUjXwt5M4nL-BUnKN83cPy7RK0yGgXoLA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4E42BB14.8050502@thuemmel.com>

On 08/10/2011 12:57 PM, Robert Jim Fulner wrote:
> I'm wondering if there is any magic GNU/Linux music normalizer. And by
> that I mean some sort of application or trick that will force my
> machine to go in and reorder everything the way its "suposed to"
> Something like /full-path-to-music-library/Artist/Album/Track#_TrackTitle.ogg
> and/or take some of that information that is include in some of the
> file names (or whatever) and rewrite the metadata "correctly". No, I
> have no idea how something like that would even work in theory, guess
> Jim Fulner

Have you looked at MusicBrainz Picard


From radkins at impelind.com  Fri Aug 12 10:50:50 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 10:50:50 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
Message-ID: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>

I am starting the initial planning process for building the next fileserver
here.
 
This one will be built using actual "server" hardward, as opposed to the
light server/big bad desktop hardware that I have been using.
 
My intention is to have one internal drive containing the OS, configuration,
etc., etc. and a series of externally accessible Hotplug drives. Two will be
in a RAID 1 set containing partitions separating the various datashares. The
remaining hot plug bays will be used for nightly/bi-nightly or even just
weekly back-up purposes.
 
Anyone here have familiarity with particular server mainboard manufacturers
that support such a setup on Linux out of the box with a default kernel?
(Yeah, I can easily build a kernel, but if I don't have to in order to get
things up and running, why should I?)
 
Thank you,
Rob


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From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Fri Aug 12 16:25:05 2011
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:25:05 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
Message-ID: <CAD39dTYvsY3RAMTN5wUxpHhNgJWrtt3Je1nyR2KohFfVVeAnoA@mail.gmail.com>

ASUS desktop MBs often support non-registered ECC memory which only
costs slightly more (Kingston ValueRAM) than non-ECC.  The only reason
to use a server MB is for registered RAM which is only useful for very
large amounts of memory.  A system management module can be useful for
remote control but it's not hard to work without one.

With NAS and blade servers "big-box" systems are rather obsolete.


From radkins at impelind.com  Fri Aug 12 16:59:14 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:59:14 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <CAD39dTYvsY3RAMTN5wUxpHhNgJWrtt3Je1nyR2KohFfVVeAnoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
	<CAD39dTYvsY3RAMTN5wUxpHhNgJWrtt3Je1nyR2KohFfVVeAnoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63F0DFAD11204492BFA382D46F0EFFF4@Delta7>

I suppose that I can investigate NAS.

I'm not finding anything specifically talking about controlling login access
in conjunction with a Domain Controller, running Samba on Linux, thus far.

-Rob
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Hanson
> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 4:25 PM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
> 
> ASUS desktop MBs often support non-registered ECC memory 
> which only costs slightly more (Kingston ValueRAM) than 
> non-ECC.  The only reason to use a server MB is for 
> registered RAM which is only useful for very large amounts of 
> memory.  A system management module can be useful for remote 
> control but it's not hard to work without one.
> 
> With NAS and blade servers "big-box" systems are rather obsolete.
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From ldaphelp at thuemmel.com  Fri Aug 12 21:46:48 2011
From: ldaphelp at thuemmel.com (Mark Thuemmel)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 21:46:48 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
Message-ID: <4E45D788.8040002@thuemmel.com>

On 08/12/2011 10:50 AM, Robert Adkins II wrote:
> I am starting the initial planning process for building the next fileserver
> here.
>
> This one will be built using actual "server" hardward, as opposed to the
> light server/big bad desktop hardware that I have been using.
>
> My intention is to have one internal drive containing the OS, configuration,
> etc., etc. and a series of externally accessible Hotplug drives. Two will be
> in a RAID 1 set containing partitions separating the various datashares. The
> remaining hot plug bays will be used for nightly/bi-nightly or even just
> weekly back-up purposes.
>
> Anyone here have familiarity with particular server mainboard manufacturers
> that support such a setup on Linux out of the box with a default kernel?
> (Yeah, I can easily build a kernel, but if I don't have to in order to get
> things up and running, why should I?)
>

You might want to detail a few more goals;

Is "here" at your business, or personal home use?

what is a "actual server" exactly?  Listed for sale in the "server" 
section of Dell or HP?  Like built to run 24x7, "server class"?

why do you need hotplug drives?  is your uptime requirement so much that 
you can't power down and remove a few screws?

How are you plugging the drives in, and what kind are they?  You need 
super fast 15000 rpm scsi drives, or going cheap with 5400 rpm drives?

Are you thinking ESATA or USB3 or what?

What is the capacity you need total?  Is this one or two terabytes, or 
enough to store your whole porn collection in HD?

Is this rack mounted?

How are you planning to backup?

How often are you going to change the configuration of the drives?


Overall, consider getting a used "server" box with lots of drive bays 
that had Linux support from the manufacturer when they were originally 
sold.  IBM, HP, Dell have made lots of boxes that came with Linux a 
couple of years ago that can be found cheap and have lots of connectors 
for hard drives.

Me, being the dangerous type, might look at a good Linux compatable 
esata card with the raid and number of drives I wanted, and a usb 3.0 
card  for backup external drives.  Then build my own box with a 8 or 16 
HD enclosure 4U case for SATA drives.  I'd buy a nice NIC or two and any 
old motherboard/cpu.  Probably jack the memory up to 8 gig just becuse. 
  I don't need dual power supplies, but a nice UPS is required.

Don't even get me started on iSCSI and it's advantages for enterprise.


From gib at juno.com  Fri Aug 12 21:58:43 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 01:58:43 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
Message-ID: <20110812.215843.1672.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com>

Sounds like this would be an interesting project to talk about in our monthly meeting.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com>
To: "'MDLUG's Main discussion list'" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 10:50:50 -0400

I am starting the initial planning process for building the next fileserver
here.
 
This one will be built using actual "server" hardward, as opposed to the
light server/big bad desktop hardware that I have been using.
 
My intention is to have one internal drive containing the OS, configuration,
etc., etc. and a series of externally accessible Hotplug drives. Two will be
in a RAID 1 set containing partitions separating the various datashares. The
remaining hot plug bays will be used for nightly/bi-nightly or even just
weekly back-up purposes.
 
Anyone here have familiarity with particular server mainboard manufacturers
that support such a setup on Linux out of the box with a default kernel?
(Yeah, I can easily build a kernel, but if I don't have to in order to get
things up and running, why should I?)
 
Thank you,
Rob
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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 13 14:06:41 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:06:41 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
Message-ID: <4E46BD31.3010006@gmail.com>

Robert Adkins II wrote:
> I am starting the initial planning process for building the next fileserver
> here.
>
> This one will be built using actual "server" hardward, as opposed to the
> light server/big bad desktop hardware that I have been using.
>
> My intention is to have one internal drive containing the OS, configuration,
> etc., etc. and a series of externally accessible Hotplug drives. Two will be
> in a RAID 1 set containing partitions separating the various datashares. The
> remaining hot plug bays will be used for nightly/bi-nightly or even just
> weekly back-up purposes.
>

Unless your purpose is to have multiple machines accessing the
same files, and hitting them pretty hard, this will actually result
in slower response on your primary desktop machine.

Even NFS or Samba over gigabit ethernet is slow compared to
a directly connected disk on a SATA port, or even EIDEIDE.

What I would do is to make this a "backup server" which
automatically conducts backups via some mechanism such
as remote execution and/or rsync, and copying the desired
data onto the fileserver.


> Anyone here have familiarity with particular server mainboard manufacturers
> that support such a setup on Linux out of the box with a default kernel?

I strongly support Gigabyte's products.  And almost all of them
have E-SATA plugs.

> (Yeah, I can easily build a kernel, but if I don't have to in order to get
> things up and running, why should I?)

openSUSE.

>
> Thank you,
> Rob
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From awilliam at whitemice.org  Sat Aug 13 19:32:25 2011
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:32:25 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
Message-ID: <1313278351.3212.3.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Fri, 2011-08-12 at 10:50 -0400, Robert Adkins II wrote: 
> This one will be built using actual "server" hardward, as opposed to the
> light server/big bad desktop hardware that I have been using.
> My intention is to have one internal drive containing the OS, configuration,
> etc., etc. and a series of externally accessible Hotplug drives. Two will be
> in a RAID 1 set containing partitions separating the various datashares. The
> remaining hot plug bays will be used for nightly/bi-nightly or even just
> weekly back-up purposes.

Verifying good compatibility for hot-plug / multi-drive solutions is a
nightmware; let someone else do it for you.

<http://www.siliconmechanics.com/c1246/rack-server-products.php>

> Anyone here have familiarity with particular server mainboard manufacturers
> that support such a setup on Linux out of the box with a default kernel?

It is *way* beyond that;  drive [firmware] compatibility really matters
for hot-swap situations.  Buy enough drives to fill your array - and a
couple of extras - when you purchase the server.  Finding known
compatible drives later can be a real nuisance.  And slight
incompatibilities can cause performance issues that are very hard to
track down as well as spontaneous 'mystery failures'.

> (Yeah, I can easily build a kernel, but if I don't have to in order to get
> things up and running, why should I?)

The kernel isn't the problem;  the hardware [motherboard chipset +
controller + drives] is the problem.



From awilliam at whitemice.org  Sat Aug 13 19:36:12 2011
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:36:12 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <4E45D788.8040002@thuemmel.com>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
	<4E45D788.8040002@thuemmel.com>
Message-ID: <1313278578.3212.6.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Fri, 2011-08-12 at 21:46 -0400, Mark Thuemmel wrote:
> why do you need hotplug drives?  is your uptime requirement so much that 
> you can't power down and remove a few screws?

I'd always go hot-plug, that way I can just swap the drives at 9AM
[drives *always* seem to fail at night] rather than having to schedule
an after-hours visit.



From awilliam at whitemice.org  Sat Aug 13 19:40:51 2011
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:40:51 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <4E46BD31.3010006@gmail.com>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
	<4E46BD31.3010006@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1313278857.3212.11.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Sat, 2011-08-13 at 14:06 -0400, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> Robert Adkins II wrote:
> > My intention is to have one internal drive containing the OS, configuration,
> > etc., etc. and a series of externally accessible Hotplug drives. Two will be
> > in a RAID 1 set containing partitions separating the various datashares. The
> > remaining hot plug bays will be used for nightly/bi-nightly or even just
> > weekly back-up purposes.
> Unless your purpose is to have multiple machines accessing the
> same files, and hitting them pretty hard, this will actually result
> in slower response on your primary desktop machine.
> Even NFS or Samba over gigabit ethernet is slow compared to
> a directly connected disk on a SATA port, or even EIDEIDE.

True.  But you may not notice.

> What I would do is to make this a "backup server" which
> automatically conducts backups via some mechanism such
> as remote execution and/or rsync, and copying the desired
> data onto the fileserver.

For backups I'd recommend looking at SDFS/OpenDedeup.
<http://wmmi.net/documents/OpenDedup.pdf>
<http://www.opendedup.org/>

> > Anyone here have familiarity with particular server mainboard manufacturers
> > that support such a setup on Linux out of the box with a default kernel?
> I strongly support Gigabyte's products.  And almost all of them
> have E-SATA plugs.

I fervently recommend *against* white-box solutions.  Always.  Never
build yourself.  It is no longer reasonable [or maybe not even possible]
to white-box yourself to a stable server.  Versions, specs, and
firmwares change way to fast to for anyone to do a proper job unless
that is what-they-do.

> > (Yeah, I can easily build a kernel, but if I don't have to in order to get
> > things up and running, why should I?)
> openSUSE.

+1 (openSUSE)



From awilliam at whitemice.org  Sat Aug 13 19:56:40 2011
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:56:40 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Magic Linux Metadata normalizer
In-Reply-To: <CAGiHCwON1da-4FQ19kUjXwt5M4nL-BUnKN83cPy7RK0yGgXoLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E310136.9070208@gmail.com>
	<CAGiHCwON1da-4FQ19kUjXwt5M4nL-BUnKN83cPy7RK0yGgXoLA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1313279803.3212.13.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 12:57 -0400, Robert Jim Fulner wrote:
> So for years I've had a strange hodge podge of a music library. I have
> no consistency at all in the way stuff is marked. I have several
> directors, labeled MP3 and Music that have a bunch of random files in
> them. Some of these files have the correct meta data, most have, some
> sort of meta data (I remember for a while when most every I had was
> marked as "Blues" for genre simply becuase it was first
> alphabetically).
> I'm wondering if there is any magic GNU/Linux music normalizer. And by
> that I mean some sort of application or trick that will force my
> machine to go in and reorder everything the way its "suposed to"
> Something like /full-path-to-music-library/Artist/Album/Track#_TrackTitle.ogg
> and/or take some of that information that is include in some of the
> file names (or whatever) and rewrite the metadata "correctly". No, I
> have no idea how something like that would even work in theory, guess
> I'll but my money on Penguin Voodoo.

Just import your music into Banshee and it will organize it for you.  It
also includes a meta-data editor for fixing tracks with missing or
munged meta-data.
<http://banshee.fm/>



From gib at juno.com  Sun Aug 14 20:52:13 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 00:52:13 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Internet position relates to closeness to Wall Street trades
Message-ID: <20110814.205213.3929.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>

I thought this was interesting:

http://www.ted.com/talks/kevin_slavin_how_algorithms_shape_our_world.html

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From radkins at impelind.com  Mon Aug 15 08:43:46 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:43:46 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <4E45D788.8040002@thuemmel.com>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
	<4E45D788.8040002@thuemmel.com>
Message-ID: <7DE184DFC12F41F89FF4FF6F2BDD6376@Delta7>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Mark Thuemmel
> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:47 PM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
> 
> 
> You might want to detail a few more goals;
> 
> Is "here" at your business, or personal home use?
> 

	Business Server.

	Total of 30 users simultaneously hitting multiple sized files and
low-end crap applications that run their own database and can share access
to the file over a network on a shared disk.

	I have been running such a setup for almost 12 years now, using
desktop hardware. The initial "server", which replaced a more powerful, in
absolute hardware terms, Windows NT 4.0 server, provided file access
considerably faster. That was almost 12 years ago.

	That server is long since dead.

	I attempt to replace the "server" hardware every 3 or so years, to
avoid suffering catastrophic hardware failures that bring the whole network
down, direct me to focus singly on build a new server while being pestered
every 5 minutes about whether or not it is done yet. On those days, if I had
a taser with enough juice to hit 65 people, it would be drained within
minutes.

> what is a "actual server" exactly?  Listed for sale in the "server" 
> section of Dell or HP?  Like built to run 24x7, "server class"?
> 

	Nothing over the top.

> why do you need hotplug drives?  is your uptime requirement 
> so much that you can't power down and remove a few screws?
> 

	I want my weekends.

	I would rather leave the server up and running, have it scripted to
duplicate the important data over night and then when I am in the next day,
unmount a disk, take it out and put a different disk in. Then take a disk
home every day and back every day.

> How are you plugging the drives in, and what kind are they?  
> You need super fast 15000 rpm scsi drives, or going cheap 
> with 5400 rpm drives?
> 

	7200 to 10000rpm drives will be perfectly fine.

> Are you thinking ESATA or USB3 or what?
> 

	I am thinking SATA.

> What is the capacity you need total?  Is this one or two 
> terabytes, or enough to store your whole porn collection in HD?
> 
	
	1 TB will be plenty of storage capacity.

> Is this rack mounted?
> 

	There's not really room for a rack mount setup in the closet. 

> How are you planning to backup?

	Copying to a drive every night and swapping the drive out in the
morning.

> 
> How often are you going to change the configuration of the drives?
> 

	Every few days for the back-up drives, almost never for the data
serving drives.

> Overall, consider getting a used "server" box with lots of 
> drive bays that had Linux support from the manufacturer when 
> they were originally sold.  IBM, HP, Dell have made lots of 
> boxes that came with Linux a couple of years ago that can be 
> found cheap and have lots of connectors for hard drives.
> 

	I would rather not go with used, old hardware. Granted, special
built server hardware is significantly better than tasking desktop
mainboards to act as a server.

> Me, being the dangerous type, might look at a good Linux 
> compatable esata card with the raid and number of drives I 
> wanted, and a usb 3.0 card  for backup external drives.  Then 
> build my own box with a 8 or 16 HD enclosure 4U case for SATA 
> drives.  I'd buy a nice NIC or two and any old 
> motherboard/cpu.  Probably jack the memory up to 8 gig just becuse. 
>   I don't need dual power supplies, but a nice UPS is required.

	It really doesn't need all that much memory, I have been running the
servers on about 1GB of RAM since the beginning here and I never see the
systems straining for memory resources.

	My goal is to get more potential out of the server in a way that
lets me stay home more often. I would like to have more free time on the
weekends instead of being forced to come in at 3pm on a Saturday or 3pm on a
Sunday, because that just happpens to be the time that nobody is using the
server.

	Regards,
	Rob



From thomas at redhat.com  Wed Aug 17 16:55:01 2011
From: thomas at redhat.com (thomas at redhat.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:55:01 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <7DE184DFC12F41F89FF4FF6F2BDD6376@Delta7>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>	<4E45D788.8040002@thuemmel.com>
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On 08/15/2011 07:43 AM, Robert Adkins II wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
>> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Mark Thuemmel
>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:47 PM
>> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
>>
>>
>> You might want to detail a few more goals;
>>
>> Is "here" at your business, or personal home use?
>>
> 
> 	Business Server.
> 
> 	Total of 30 users simultaneously hitting multiple sized files and
> low-end crap applications that run their own database and can share access
> to the file over a network on a shared disk.
> 
> 	I have been running such a setup for almost 12 years now, using
> desktop hardware. The initial "server", which replaced a more powerful, in
> absolute hardware terms, Windows NT 4.0 server, provided file access
> considerably faster. That was almost 12 years ago.
> 
> 	That server is long since dead.
> 
> 	I attempt to replace the "server" hardware every 3 or so years, to
> avoid suffering catastrophic hardware failures that bring the whole network
> down, direct me to focus singly on build a new server while being pestered
> every 5 minutes about whether or not it is done yet. On those days, if I had
> a taser with enough juice to hit 65 people, it would be drained within
> minutes.
> 
>> what is a "actual server" exactly?  Listed for sale in the "server" 
>> section of Dell or HP?  Like built to run 24x7, "server class"?
>>
> 
> 	Nothing over the top.
> 
>> why do you need hotplug drives?  is your uptime requirement 
>> so much that you can't power down and remove a few screws?
>>
> 
> 	I want my weekends.
> 
> 	I would rather leave the server up and running, have it scripted to
> duplicate the important data over night and then when I am in the next day,
> unmount a disk, take it out and put a different disk in. Then take a disk
> home every day and back every day.
> 
>> How are you plugging the drives in, and what kind are they?  
>> You need super fast 15000 rpm scsi drives, or going cheap 
>> with 5400 rpm drives?
>>
> 
> 	7200 to 10000rpm drives will be perfectly fine.
> 
>> Are you thinking ESATA or USB3 or what?
>>
> 
> 	I am thinking SATA.
> 
>> What is the capacity you need total?  Is this one or two 
>> terabytes, or enough to store your whole porn collection in HD?
>>
> 	
> 	1 TB will be plenty of storage capacity.
> 
>> Is this rack mounted?
>>
> 
> 	There's not really room for a rack mount setup in the closet. 
> 
>> How are you planning to backup?
> 
> 	Copying to a drive every night and swapping the drive out in the
> morning.
> 
>>
>> How often are you going to change the configuration of the drives?
>>
> 
> 	Every few days for the back-up drives, almost never for the data
> serving drives.
> 
>> Overall, consider getting a used "server" box with lots of 
>> drive bays that had Linux support from the manufacturer when 
>> they were originally sold.  IBM, HP, Dell have made lots of 
>> boxes that came with Linux a couple of years ago that can be 
>> found cheap and have lots of connectors for hard drives.
>>
> 
> 	I would rather not go with used, old hardware. Granted, special
> built server hardware is significantly better than tasking desktop
> mainboards to act as a server.
> 
>> Me, being the dangerous type, might look at a good Linux 
>> compatable esata card with the raid and number of drives I 
>> wanted, and a usb 3.0 card  for backup external drives.  Then 
>> build my own box with a 8 or 16 HD enclosure 4U case for SATA 
>> drives.  I'd buy a nice NIC or two and any old 
>> motherboard/cpu.  Probably jack the memory up to 8 gig just becuse. 
>>   I don't need dual power supplies, but a nice UPS is required.
> 
> 	It really doesn't need all that much memory, I have been running the
> servers on about 1GB of RAM since the beginning here and I never see the
> systems straining for memory resources.
> 
> 	My goal is to get more potential out of the server in a way that
> lets me stay home more often. I would like to have more free time on the
> weekends instead of being forced to come in at 3pm on a Saturday or 3pm on a
> Sunday, because that just happpens to be the time that nobody is using the
> server.

A coworker and I had a long talk just yesterday about this.

He had the opportunity to go with a very expensive ($3500) low-end
PowerEdge server that had ~ 8GB memory and an i7 processor with 1TB SAS
storage.

Instead, he went with a beefed-up Optiplex workstation with the same
CPU, double the RAM and 4X 1TB SATA drives for about $1500. Same
processing horsepower, more memory and more storage. He set up RAID 0+1
or 1+0 (I don't remember which right now) and got a screaming fast box
with fault tolerance for a pittance. He was able to buy a spare PSU at
the same time. The rest of the stuff prone to fail - CPU and memory - is
COTS stuff he can get locally in a pinch.

The Optiplexes are pretty good boxes, and make excellent small business
servers.

I've also built three white box hypervisors for my home office with
6-core AMD processors, 16GB memory and 500GB drives for ~ $510 each.
Upgrade to a 2TB drive in each and you could literally mirror your
servers instead of your drives. If any component on production failed,
just failover to the standby and repair the production machine at your
leisure.

Of course, with unlimited budget, I'd always go with a "real" server.
It's a risk/reward exercise.
- -- 
Thomas Cameron, RHCA, RHCSS, RHCDS, RHCVA, RHCX, CNE, MCSE, MCT
Managing Solutions Architect
512-241-0774 office / 512-585-5631 cell
http://people.redhat.com/tcameron/
IRC: choirboy / AIM: rhelguy / Yahoo: rhce_guy /Google+ http://ongpl.us/tdc
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From carl at carltm.com  Thu Aug 18 08:48:09 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 08:48:09 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <4E4C2AA5.6050905@redhat.com>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
	<4E45D788.8040002@thuemmel.com>
	<7DE184DFC12F41F89FF4FF6F2BDD6376@Delta7>
	<4E4C2AA5.6050905@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <2b2579bda2178ef83cb9b51c7b90ce0b.squirrel@mail.carltm.com>

thomas at redhat.com wrote:
> He had the opportunity to go with a very expensive ($3500) low-end
> PowerEdge server that had ~ 8GB memory and an i7 processor with 1TB SAS
> storage.
>
> Instead, he went with a beefed-up Optiplex workstation with the same
> CPU, double the RAM and 4X 1TB SATA drives for about $1500. Same
> processing horsepower, more memory and more storage. He set up RAID 0+1
> or 1+0 (I don't remember which right now) and got a screaming fast box
> with fault tolerance for a pittance. He was able to buy a spare PSU at
> the same time. The rest of the stuff prone to fail - CPU and memory - is
> COTS stuff he can get locally in a pinch.

It's a good idea to just buy an extra cpu, dimm, power supply,
mother board and hard drive when purchasing one or more work-
stations intended to be used as servers.  That way you have
some parts on hand if needed, and it costs less than server
hardware.

c




From radkins at impelind.com  Thu Aug 18 09:22:04 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:22:04 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <4E4C2AA5.6050905@redhat.com>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>	<4E45D788.8040002@thuemmel.com><7DE184DFC12F41F89FF4FF6F2BDD6376@Delta7>
	<4E4C2AA5.6050905@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1C8060B8442046EEAB4C7927A72736A6@Delta7>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of thomas at redhat.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:55 PM
> To: mdlug at mdlug.org
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
> 
> A coworker and I had a long talk just yesterday about this.
> 
> He had the opportunity to go with a very expensive ($3500) 
> low-end PowerEdge server that had ~ 8GB memory and an i7 
> processor with 1TB SAS storage.
> 
> Instead, he went with a beefed-up Optiplex workstation with 
> the same CPU, double the RAM and 4X 1TB SATA drives for about 
> $1500. Same processing horsepower, more memory and more 
> storage. He set up RAID 0+1 or 1+0 (I don't remember which 
> right now) and got a screaming fast box with fault tolerance 
> for a pittance. He was able to buy a spare PSU at the same 
> time. The rest of the stuff prone to fail - CPU and memory - 
> is COTS stuff he can get locally in a pinch.
> 
> The Optiplexes are pretty good boxes, and make excellent 
> small business servers.
> 
> I've also built three white box hypervisors for my home 
> office with 6-core AMD processors, 16GB memory and 500GB 
> drives for ~ $510 each.
> Upgrade to a 2TB drive in each and you could literally mirror 
> your servers instead of your drives. If any component on 
> production failed, just failover to the standby and repair 
> the production machine at your leisure.
> 
> Of course, with unlimited budget, I'd always go with a "real" server.
> It's a risk/reward exercise.
> - --
> Thomas Cameron, RHCA, RHCSS, RHCDS, RHCVA, RHCX, CNE, MCSE, 
> MCT Managing Solutions Architect
> 512-241-0774 office / 512-585-5631 cell
> http://people.redhat.com/tcameron/
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> 

  I can't imagine why I would need that much power and memory on the server
at this time. We do not experience any issues with fileserver performance
and there are, at times, some pretty decently sized CAD files, accounting
and other application files being hit simultaneously by upwards of 5 to 7
users.

  The last time that I order replacement servers, I ended up spending less
than $1500 on all of the hardware for one server.

  Cheap is... The implied word around here. My primary interest is knowing
whether or not anyone on the list is familiar with particular motherboards
and apparently also particular SATA Hard Drives that play nice with ESATA
Hot Swapping.

	Thanks again,
	Rob



From carl at carltm.com  Thu Aug 18 09:56:08 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:56:08 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <1C8060B8442046EEAB4C7927A72736A6@Delta7>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7>
	<4E45D788.8040002@thuemmel.com><7DE184DFC12F41F89FF4FF6F2BDD6376@Delta7>
	<4E4C2AA5.6050905@redhat.com>
	<1C8060B8442046EEAB4C7927A72736A6@Delta7>
Message-ID: <8f25ca7eb7e3369a620377e8f93192b0.squirrel@mail.carltm.com>

Robert Adkins II wrote:
>   I can't imagine why I would need that much power and memory on the
> server
> at this time. We do not experience any issues with fileserver performance
> and there are, at times, some pretty decently sized CAD files, accounting
> and other application files being hit simultaneously by upwards of 5 to 7
> users.

I always buy more than I need for servers.  The life of
a server could be 5 to 10 years, and who know what you
might want to do with the hardware 3 years from now?

Also, one advantage to getting a server with extra ram
and processing power is that you can install VirtualBox.
That gives you a lot of flexibility in your environment.
I'd suggest using VirtualBox and creating your fileserver
as a virtual machine, because that will give you the ability
to create snapshots (restore points) and it will make it
very easy to backup and restore the fileserver, even if
it needs to be restored to different hardware.

c




From radkins at impelind.com  Thu Aug 18 10:14:58 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:14:58 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <8f25ca7eb7e3369a620377e8f93192b0.squirrel@mail.carltm.com>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7><4E45D788.8040002@thuemmel.com><7DE184DFC12F41F89FF4FF6F2BDD6376@Delta7><4E4C2AA5.6050905@redhat.com><1C8060B8442046EEAB4C7927A72736A6@Delta7>
	<8f25ca7eb7e3369a620377e8f93192b0.squirrel@mail.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <23E0DAA3ED404357B9D99A462310405E@Delta7>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Carl T. Miller
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:56 AM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
> 
> Robert Adkins II wrote:
> >   I can't imagine why I would need that much power and 
> memory on the 
> > server at this time. We do not experience any issues with 
> fileserver 
> > performance and there are, at times, some pretty decently sized CAD 
> > files, accounting and other application files being hit 
> simultaneously 
> > by upwards of 5 to 7 users.
> 
> I always buy more than I need for servers.  The life of a 
> server could be 5 to 10 years, and who know what you might 
> want to do with the hardware 3 years from now?
> 
> Also, one advantage to getting a server with extra ram and 
> processing power is that you can install VirtualBox.
> That gives you a lot of flexibility in your environment.
> I'd suggest using VirtualBox and creating your fileserver as 
> a virtual machine, because that will give you the ability to 
> create snapshots (restore points) and it will make it very 
> easy to backup and restore the fileserver, even if it needs 
> to be restored to different hardware.
> 
> c

	Carl,

	That makes considerable sense. Thanks, I will begin investigating
that.

	Is it possible to setup Virtual Box to act as a service that will
startup and launch an image automatically from a Cold Hardware Boot?

	Thanks,
	Rob



From carl at carltm.com  Thu Aug 18 11:24:39 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 11:24:39 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Time to build a new server
In-Reply-To: <23E0DAA3ED404357B9D99A462310405E@Delta7>
References: <6A660FCE24F24DF4863C7115C3F256D2@Delta7><4E45D788.8040002@thuemmel.com><7DE184DFC12F41F89FF4FF6F2BDD6376@Delta7><4E4C2AA5.6050905@redhat.com><1C8060B8442046EEAB4C7927A72736A6@Delta7>
	<8f25ca7eb7e3369a620377e8f93192b0.squirrel@mail.carltm.com>
	<23E0DAA3ED404357B9D99A462310405E@Delta7>
Message-ID: <0d56fe475586f6eece3643314b083a9a.squirrel@mail.carltm.com>

Robert Adkins II wrote:
> 	Is it possible to setup Virtual Box to act as a service that will
> startup and launch an image automatically from a Cold Hardware Boot?

Yes, in fact I wrote a little script to do exactly that,
and it works on Red Hat, CentOS and similar distros.  If
you're running Debian or Ubuntu it will need to be tweaked.

You can copy and paste everything below at the command
line to create the script.  Then run:
  chmod u+x /usr/local/sbin/vboxguests
  /usr/local/sbin/vboxguests

This will set up and enable the service with a blank
configuration file.  You'll have to add hosts to
/etc/vboxguests to make it work.

c



cat > /usr/local/sbin/vboxguests <<\EndOfScript
#!/bin/sh

# @(#) vboxguests    creates init file for VirtualBox guests   
carl at carltm.com


CreateInitFile() {
cat > /etc/init.d/vboxguests <<\EoT
#!/bin/sh
# vboxguests        Manages startup of configured VirtualBox guests
#
# chkconfig: 2345 99 0
# description: Manages startup of configured VirtualBox guests
#
### BEGIN INIT INFO
# Short-Description: vboxguests
# Description: Manages startup of configured VirtualBox guests
# Default-Start: 2 3 4 5
# Default-Stop: 0 6
### END INIT INFO

if [ -f /etc/vboxguests ]; then
  case "$1" in
    start)
      touch /var/lock/subsys/vboxguests
      for Guest in `sed 's/#.*//' /etc/vboxguests`; do
        echo Starting "$Guest"...
        VBoxManage -q startvm $Guest --type headless
        sleep 2
      done
    ;;
    stop)
      rm -f /var/lock/subsys/vboxguests
      for Guest in `sed 's/#.*//' /etc/vboxguests`; do
        echo Stopping "$Guest"...
        VBoxManage -q controlvm $Guest savestate
      done
    ;;
    restart)
      for Guest in `sed 's/#.*//' /etc/vboxguests`; do
        echo Stopping "$Guest"...
        VBoxManage -q controlvm $Guest savestate
        echo Starting "$Guest"...
        VBoxManage -q startvm $Guest --type headless
        sleep 2
      done
    ;;
    status)
      for Guest in `sed 's/#.*//' /etc/vboxguests`; do
        echo -n $Guest:
        VBoxManage -q showvminfo $Guest | grep State: | sed 's/State: */ /'
      done
    ;;
    *)
      echo "vboxguests start|stop|status"
    ;;
  esac
fi
EoT

chmod 744 /etc/init.d/vboxguests
}

CreateEtcFile() {
cat > /etc/vboxguests <<\EoT
# /etc/vboxguests
#
# list the virtualbox guests to be started and stopped automatically

#guest1
#guest2

EoT
chmod 644 /etc/vboxguests
}

if which chkconfig > /dev/null 2>&1; then
  CreateInitFile
  chkconfig --add vboxguests
  if [ ! -f /etc/vboxguests ]; then
    CreateEtcFile
    echo Edit /etc/vboxguests as needed.
  fi
  echo vboxguests has now been configured as a service
else
  echo chkconfig is not in your path
fi
EndOfScript




From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 18 15:31:16 2011
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:31:16 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SEMCO SIG-Linux, August meeting
Message-ID: <CADzXsrSFUV2HTT=PWUMb_6wPjJxxcwoezDd8pjwXpWM0VA09Zw@mail.gmail.com>

For August, the SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting subject will be:
"Xfce, The Third Desktop"

This presentation will focus on Xfce, one of the leading GUIs for
Linux.  With recent major changes to both KDE and GNOME, there has
been a bit of a baclash with some users looking at alternatives; in
fact, Linus Torvalds himself announced just this month that he was
adopting Xfce as his current GUI of choice due to his dissatisfaction
with the new GNOME 3.  There may be a slight side-trip into LXDE,
another light-weight GUI for Linux.

As usual, the meeting will be held at Paper Street, the home of "Motor
City Free Geek" with space kindly provided by Andy Didorosi (Paper
Street) and Ken Grundberg (Motor City Free Geek).
Date: Tuesday, August 23rd, 6:45 p.m.

Map: http://goo.gl/xG6JU
http://www.MotorCityFreeGeek.net
http://WeLovePaperStreet.com

~~ Michael Rudas
? ?My Linux blog: Linux-SIG.blogspot.com


From tesral at wowway.com  Thu Aug 18 15:30:40 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:30:40 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] WTF /var/log
In-Reply-To: <1309513679.10518.4.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
References: <4E0D4542.2080307@gmail.com>
	<1309513679.10518.4.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
Message-ID: <4E4D6860.50907@wowway.com>

Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> Yep; a good reason to have /var/log as its own volume.  Even on a
> desktop/laptop system.  This is the most common problem I see regarding
> omg-my-disk-is-full.
>   

OK, I have the drive ready to install, how do I name that volume to make
sure /var ends up there?  I have a 2 tera drive, 30 for /root, 4 for
swap, ?/var rest /home.

And should /var be the physical partition?

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From awilliam at whitemice.org  Thu Aug 18 15:54:29 2011
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:54:29 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] WTF /var/log
In-Reply-To: <4E4D6860.50907@wowway.com>
References: <4E0D4542.2080307@gmail.com>
	<1309513679.10518.4.camel@linux-yu4c.site> <4E4D6860.50907@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <20110818155429.Horde.I1Gpc5eICrNOTW31N1A3h6A@aleph.wmmi.net>

Quoting Garry Stahl <tesral at wowway.com>:

> Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>> Yep; a good reason to have /var/log as its own volume.  Even on a
>> desktop/laptop system.  This is the most common problem I see regarding
>> omg-my-disk-is-full.
> OK, I have the drive ready to install, how do I name that volume to make
> sure /var ends up there?  I have a 2 tera drive, 30 for /root, 4 for
> swap, ?/var rest /home.
> And should /var be the physical partition?

No, none of those should be physical partitions; they should all be  
logical volumes.  Don't commit the entire physical volume - you can  
grow this later if you discover you need to [resize even works  
'online' these days']

I'd:
12GB for root [probably bigger then you'll ever need]
4GB for swap
4Gb for /var/log
250GB for /home
  - then see what happens.

Empty space also means you can make another dedicated logical volume  
for something else if the need arises.

Create the drive as a physical volume, create a volume group for that  
physical volume, and create your logical volumes.



From tesral at wowway.com  Thu Aug 18 18:03:46 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:03:46 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] WTF /var/log
In-Reply-To: <20110818155429.Horde.I1Gpc5eICrNOTW31N1A3h6A@aleph.wmmi.net>
References: <4E0D4542.2080307@gmail.com>	<1309513679.10518.4.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
	<4E4D6860.50907@wowway.com>
	<20110818155429.Horde.I1Gpc5eICrNOTW31N1A3h6A@aleph.wmmi.net>
Message-ID: <4E4D8C42.20909@wowway.com>

Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> Quoting Garry Stahl <tesral at wowway.com>:
>
>   
>> Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>>     
>>> Yep; a good reason to have /var/log as its own volume.  Even on a
>>> desktop/laptop system.  This is the most common problem I see regarding
>>> omg-my-disk-is-full.
>>>       
>> OK, I have the drive ready to install, how do I name that volume to make
>> sure /var ends up there?  I have a 2 tera drive, 30 for /root, 4 for
>> swap, ?/var rest /home.
>> And should /var be the physical partition?
>>     
>
> No, none of those should be physical partitions; they should all be  
> logical volumes.  Don't commit the entire physical volume - you can  
> grow this later if you discover you need to [resize even works  
> 'online' these days']
>
> I'd:
> 12GB for root [probably bigger then you'll ever need]
> 4GB for swap
> 4Gb for /var/log
> 250GB for /home
>   

/home is at 425 gig now.  Why do you think 2 terabyte drives?

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From brianbrodsky at ameritech.net  Thu Aug 18 20:22:50 2011
From: brianbrodsky at ameritech.net (Brian Brodsky)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 20:22:50 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] WTF /var/log
In-Reply-To: <4E4D8C42.20909@wowway.com>
References: <4E0D4542.2080307@gmail.com>	<1309513679.10518.4.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
	<4E4D6860.50907@wowway.com>
	<20110818155429.Horde.I1Gpc5eICrNOTW31N1A3h6A@aleph.wmmi.net>
	<4E4D8C42.20909@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <4E4DACDA.3080901@ameritech.net>

On 8/18/2011 6:03 PM, Garry Stahl wrote:
> Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>> Quoting Garry Stahl<tesral at wowway.com>:
>>
>>
>>> Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yep; a good reason to have /var/log as its own volume.  Even on a
>>>> desktop/laptop system.  This is the most common problem I see regarding
>>>> omg-my-disk-is-full.
>>>>
>>> OK, I have the drive ready to install, how do I name that volume to make
>>> sure /var ends up there?  I have a 2 tera drive, 30 for /root, 4 for
>>> swap, ?/var rest /home.
>>> And should /var be the physical partition?
>>>
>> No, none of those should be physical partitions; they should all be
>> logical volumes.  Don't commit the entire physical volume - you can
>> grow this later if you discover you need to [resize even works
>> 'online' these days']
>>
>> I'd:
>> 12GB for root [probably bigger then you'll ever need]
>> 4GB for swap
>> 4Gb for /var/log
>> 250GB for /home
>>
> /home is at 425 gig now.  Why do you think 2 terabyte drives?
>

How much space is being used by /var now. What is the frequency you have 
setup for logrotate and how many versions of logs are you keeping. Are 
you sure all logs are being rotated?


From awilliam at whitemice.org  Thu Aug 18 21:37:24 2011
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 21:37:24 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] WTF /var/log
In-Reply-To: <4E4D8C42.20909@wowway.com>
References: <4E0D4542.2080307@gmail.com>
	<1309513679.10518.4.camel@linux-yu4c.site> <4E4D6860.50907@wowway.com>
	<20110818155429.Horde.I1Gpc5eICrNOTW31N1A3h6A@aleph.wmmi.net>
	<4E4D8C42.20909@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <1313717845.7593.5.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Thu, 2011-08-18 at 18:03 -0400, Garry Stahl wrote:
> Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > Quoting Garry Stahl <tesral at wowway.com>: 
> >> Adam Tauno Williams wrote  
> >>> Yep; a good reason to have /var/log as its own volume.  Even on a
> >>> desktop/laptop system.  This is the most common problem I see regarding
> >>> omg-my-disk-is-full.
> >>>       
> >> OK, I have the drive ready to install, how do I name that volume to make
> >> sure /var ends up there?  I have a 2 tera drive, 30 for /root, 4 for
> >> swap, ?/var rest /home.
> >> And should /var be the physical partition?
> > No, none of those should be physical partitions; they should all be  
> > logical volumes.  Don't commit the entire physical volume - you can  
> > grow this later if you discover you need to [resize even works  
> > 'online' these days']
> > I'd:
> > 12GB for root [probably bigger then you'll ever need]
> > 4GB for swap
> > 4Gb for /var/log
> > 250GB for /home
> /home is at 425 gig now. 

So make home 650G.  My point is just that there is no reason to
aggressively allocation your resources; doing so just make re-allocation
or dealing with an unexpected condition more difficult.

I generally also make a /isos [for ISO images - these are big, never
change, and are typically recoverable from an external source] and
a /vms [for virtual machine files].  This reduces the size of /home
making it easier and faster to frequently backup /home.  Then I just
backup /vms at need and I never bother to backup /isos.  It also
prevents /home from reaching disk-full condition which can have odd and
possibly bad effects on running applications (it is easy when playing
with VMs to gobble disk space).



From tesral at wowway.com  Thu Aug 18 22:04:41 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:04:41 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] WTF /var/log
In-Reply-To: <4E4DACDA.3080901@ameritech.net>
References: <4E0D4542.2080307@gmail.com>	<1309513679.10518.4.camel@linux-yu4c.site>	<4E4D6860.50907@wowway.com>	<20110818155429.Horde.I1Gpc5eICrNOTW31N1A3h6A@aleph.wmmi.net>	<4E4D8C42.20909@wowway.com>
	<4E4DACDA.3080901@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <4E4DC4B9.9030506@wowway.com>

Brian Brodsky wrote:
>
> How much space is being used by /var now. What is the frequency you have 
> setup for logrotate and how many versions of logs are you keeping. Are 
> you sure all logs are being rotated?
>   

/Var is 240 meg.  I looked it up.  No /var is not filling my machine. 
Graphics and sound are filling my machine, that and PDFs


-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From zwilnik2 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 10:11:57 2011
From: zwilnik2 at gmail.com (Kevin O'Brien)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:11:57 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Looking for speakers
Message-ID: <CAHnui=SaHJRCNLLSfCZhE2Zh2f2o+8e3xoxd--Q+MmBZ+jU+_A@mail.gmail.com>

I have a couple of topics for which I am trying to find speakers who can
present at Washtenaw Linux Users Group. What I would like to find are:

1. Gnome 3 - We already had Jorge Castro come by and discuss the Unity
interface, and we have someone coming by to discuss KDE, so I'd like to get
someone to present on this to round it out a bit. If anyone has another
desktop they really like and can do a presentation, we're open to that as
well.

2. Prezi - This is a presentation editor that can replace static slide decks
with zooming maps. We saw it used, but would love to have a real guru come
by and teach it to us.

If you have any leads, please send them my way. Also, if you have a topic
you would like to present, let me know. We are open to anything that is free
software/open source related.

-- 
Kevin B. O'Brien
zwilnik2 at gmail.com
Facebook is Evil. Cancel your account.


From nadreck at palain.com  Sat Aug 20 14:40:13 2011
From: nadreck at palain.com (Kevin O'Brien)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:40:13 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Looking for Speakers
Message-ID: <CAHnui=SHsViBd4YnijkjnWDAWw=bC0A5N+F9Xff_FxTTzTpjBA@mail.gmail.com>

I have a couple of topics for which I am trying to find speakers who can
present at Washtenaw Linux Users Group. What I would like to find are:

1. Gnome 3 - We already had Jorge Castro come by and discuss the Unity
interface, and we have someone coming by to discuss KDE, so I'd like to get
someone to present on this to round it out a bit. If anyone has another
desktop they really like and can do a presentation, we're open to that as
well.

2. Prezi - This is a presentation editor that can replace static slide decks
with zooming maps. We saw it used, but would love to have a real guru come
by and teach it to us.

If you have any leads, please send them my way. Also, if you have a topic
you would like to present, let me know. We are open to anything that is free
software/open source related.

Kevin O'Brien
nadreck at palain.com
Pres., Washtenaw Linux Users Group


From brianbrodsky at ameritech.net  Sat Aug 20 19:47:28 2011
From: brianbrodsky at ameritech.net (Brian Brodsky)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:47:28 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Problems with virtualbox, fedora 15, gnome 3
Message-ID: <4E504790.2000509@ameritech.net>

I have installed on my windows 7 laptop VirtualBox 4.1.2. I deleted my 
fedora 14 guest machine and created a fedora 15 guest machine. When I 
did this gnome 3 went to fallback mode. I installed the linux guest 
additions and then gnome 3 ran. I also disabled selinux. But any 
programs seemed extremely slow. The os is fine because when I logged 
into KDE desktop KDE programs ran fine. Gnome programs under KDE were 
still unresponsive. I then forced fallback mode and the gnome desktop 
and all apps seems fine. However, in the KDE desktop gnome apps still 
are either very slow or unresponsive. Does anybody know how I can get 
gnome 3 to run properly?

Brian


From mat.enders at gmail.com  Sun Aug 21 07:34:50 2011
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 11:34:50 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] Problems with virtualbox, fedora 15, gnome 3
In-Reply-To: <4E504790.2000509@ameritech.net>
References: <4E504790.2000509@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <101340392-1313926491-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1212550671-@b25.c27.bise6.blackberry>

Yes use LXDE ;-)
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Brodsky <brianbrodsky at ameritech.net>
Sender: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:47:28 
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list<mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] Problems with virtualbox, fedora 15, gnome 3

I have installed on my windows 7 laptop VirtualBox 4.1.2. I deleted my 
fedora 14 guest machine and created a fedora 15 guest machine. When I 
did this gnome 3 went to fallback mode. I installed the linux guest 
additions and then gnome 3 ran. I also disabled selinux. But any 
programs seemed extremely slow. The os is fine because when I logged 
into KDE desktop KDE programs ran fine. Gnome programs under KDE were 
still unresponsive. I then forced fallback mode and the gnome desktop 
and all apps seems fine. However, in the KDE desktop gnome apps still 
are either very slow or unresponsive. Does anybody know how I can get 
gnome 3 to run properly?

Brian
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug

From awilliam at whitemice.org  Sun Aug 21 11:35:24 2011
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 11:35:24 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Problems with virtualbox, fedora 15, gnome 3
In-Reply-To: <4E504790.2000509@ameritech.net>
References: <4E504790.2000509@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <20110821113524.Horde.hGjCf5eICrNOUSW8Bwwnh7A@aleph.wmmi.net>

Quoting Brian Brodsky <brianbrodsky at ameritech.net>:

> I have installed on my windows 7 laptop VirtualBox 4.1.2. I deleted my
> fedora 14 guest machine and created a fedora 15 guest machine. When I
> did this gnome 3 went to fallback mode. I installed the linux guest
> additions and then gnome 3 ran. I also disabled selinux. But any
> programs seemed extremely slow. The os is fine because when I logged
> into KDE desktop KDE programs ran fine. Gnome programs under KDE were
> still unresponsive. I then forced fallback mode and the gnome desktop
> and all apps seems fine. However, in the KDE desktop gnome apps still
> are either very slow or unresponsive. Does anybody know how I can get
> gnome 3 to run properly?

I'm not at my regular computer so I can't lookup the details but there  
is a minimum version of VirtualBox required for GNOME3 *Shell* [the  
default interface, vs. "Fallback"] to work correctly.

Generally it sounds like you Virtual Box VM is not correctly, or  
effectively, providing video acceleration.  GNOME3 Shell requires  
OpenGL acceleration [which is really *not* the same thing as "3d  
acceleration"; although people tend to conflate the terms].  I have no  
idea why the applications would be slow under KDE as well expect that  
(a) they are still attempting to use the same Cairo/rendering model  
that would be used by Shell [doubtful] or there is actually some  
timeout issue occurring accessing gsettings, d-bus, etc...  If you run  
a GNOME application from the command-line in another DE where it is  
unresponsive do you see it spewing any error messages?



From petertheplumber at att.net  Sun Aug 21 19:29:53 2011
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 19:29:53 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Dymo 450 Twin Turbo Won't Switch Rolls
Message-ID: <20110821192953.23320283@peter-t61.site>

Hi Everyone,
	My problem is I can't get the Dymo to switch to the right side
	roll from the left side. I tried changing properties in CUPS
	and glabels to no effect. Everything prints from the left roll.
	What I did so far is below, can anyone push me in the right
	direction?
	I've exhausted my limited abilities. I'm trying to get a Dymo
	450 Twin Turbo to work properly. I tried the installation
	instructions from
<http://sites.dymo.com/DeveloperProgram/Pages/LW_SDK_Linux.aspx> which
end with the command line error: configure: error: Can't find cups
library. I assume I'm missing some of the dependencies listed in the
install readme file:
To compile and install source package you will need:
  - recent C++ compiler. We used gcc ver. 3.3.5 & 4.0.1
  - installed CUPS *.h files (cups/cups.h, cups/raster.h)
  - installed CUPS libraries (libcups, libcupsimage)
	The Dymo documentation last revised 7.10.09 also indicates the
	following:
The drivers have been tested under following Linux distributions so far
and will work on most Linux distributions with CUPS as long as the CUPS
package dependencies are met. 
Gentoo Linux 2005 
Fedora Core 3 & 4
CentOS Linux
Ubuntu 8.04
Ubuntu 9.04
	The documentation states it works correctly with CUPS v1.3.9.
	I'm running openSUSE 11.4 64 bit and CUPS v1.4.4. The CUPS
	dependencies listed don't come up in the software manager, not
	even close. I've learned to look at similar names and search
	the internet using the file names. I've had limited success
	using the CUPS interface at <http://localhost:631/> to add the
	printer. I was able to add the Dymo w/o using any outside
	sources, just what options CUPS gave me. I did have an issue
	because I got an error message about not being able to find
raster2dymolw. I found a file similar
in  /usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertodymo that is a link
to /usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertolabel. I
changed /usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertodymo
to /usr/lib/cups/filter/raster2dymolw and lo and behold I can print
from the left side of the Dymo using glabels. At this point I'm picking
through several tutorials and forum posts several years old, using what
seems to work. 

-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber
<petertheplumber at att.net>


From brianbrodsky at ameritech.net  Sun Aug 21 19:37:08 2011
From: brianbrodsky at ameritech.net (Brian Brodsky)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 19:37:08 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Problems with virtualbox, fedora 15, gnome 3
In-Reply-To: <20110821113524.Horde.hGjCf5eICrNOUSW8Bwwnh7A@aleph.wmmi.net>
References: <4E504790.2000509@ameritech.net>
	<20110821113524.Horde.hGjCf5eICrNOUSW8Bwwnh7A@aleph.wmmi.net>
Message-ID: <4E5196A4.5070001@ameritech.net>

On 8/21/2011 11:35 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> Quoting Brian Brodsky<brianbrodsky at ameritech.net>:
>
>> I have installed on my windows 7 laptop VirtualBox 4.1.2. I deleted my
>> fedora 14 guest machine and created a fedora 15 guest machine. When I
>> did this gnome 3 went to fallback mode. I installed the linux guest
>> additions and then gnome 3 ran. I also disabled selinux. But any
>> programs seemed extremely slow. The os is fine because when I logged
>> into KDE desktop KDE programs ran fine. Gnome programs under KDE were
>> still unresponsive. I then forced fallback mode and the gnome desktop
>> and all apps seems fine. However, in the KDE desktop gnome apps still
>> are either very slow or unresponsive. Does anybody know how I can get
>> gnome 3 to run properly?
> I'm not at my regular computer so I can't lookup the details but there
> is a minimum version of VirtualBox required for GNOME3 *Shell* [the
> default interface, vs. "Fallback"] to work correctly.
>
> Generally it sounds like you Virtual Box VM is not correctly, or
> effectively, providing video acceleration.  GNOME3 Shell requires
> OpenGL acceleration [which is really *not* the same thing as "3d
> acceleration"; although people tend to conflate the terms].  I have no
> idea why the applications would be slow under KDE as well expect that
> (a) they are still attempting to use the same Cairo/rendering model
> that would be used by Shell [doubtful] or there is actually some
> timeout issue occurring accessing gsettings, d-bus, etc...  If you run
> a GNOME application from the command-line in another DE where it is
> unresponsive do you see it spewing any error messages?
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>
Version 4.1.2 is the current version of VirtualBox. I ran in KDE from 
konsole gnome-terminal. Did not get any errors but was unable to type 
any commands into gnome-terminal. Only thing I could do was close it. 
There were no errors in konsole.


From tesral at wowway.com  Tue Aug 23 02:13:04 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 02:13:04 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Upgrade
Message-ID: <4E5344F0.3020804@wowway.com>

Phoenix is going under the knife tomorrow for major upgrades.  If
nothing interferes this time.  E-mail interruptions are bound to happen
for at least a while.  All drives are being replaced.  The 500 gig
drives are getting pulled for 2 tb and 1.5 tb drives.  The optical is
exhibiting a balky drawer so I'm pulling the IDE for a SATA.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 23 04:25:20 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 04:25:20 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <4E5344F0.3020804@wowway.com>
References: <4E5344F0.3020804@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <4E5363F0.3080800@gmail.com>

Garry Stahl wrote:
> Phoenix is going under the knife tomorrow for major upgrades.  If
> nothing interferes this time.  E-mail interruptions are bound to happen
> for at least a while.  All drives are being replaced.  The 500 gig
> drives are getting pulled for 2 tb and 1.5 tb drives.  The optical is
> exhibiting a balky drawer so I'm pulling the IDE for a SATA.
>

tarring or DD'ing?



From tesral at wowway.com  Tue Aug 23 11:14:35 2011
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:14:35 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <4E5363F0.3080800@gmail.com>
References: <4E5344F0.3020804@wowway.com> <4E5363F0.3080800@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E53C3DB.4050009@wowway.com>

Aaron Kulkis wrote:

> tarring or DD'ing?
>   
Upgrade from openSUSE 11.0 to 11.4

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know, the rest is propaganda. -- Horacio Verbitsky
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 23 14:43:08 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 14:43:08 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <4E53C3DB.4050009@wowway.com>
References: <4E5344F0.3020804@wowway.com> <4E5363F0.3080800@gmail.com>
	<4E53C3DB.4050009@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <4E53F4BC.5080009@gmail.com>

Garry Stahl wrote:
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
>> tarring or DD'ing?
>>
> Upgrade from openSUSE 11.0 to 11.4

If you prefer KDE 3 over KDE 4, be sure to

1: add these repos:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE3:/NonFree/openSUSE_11.4
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_11.4

------------------------------------

2: in yast -> software management  (or yast2 -> software management)
select the repositories tab, pick a KDE3 repository, and select
software from it, then repeat for the other.

Be sure to select the packages kdm3

you probably also want to pick the yast-qt package, because
yast-gnome has a horribly bloated interface --
individual package entries take a huge amount of screen real-estate,
not much information is shown in the primary picker window,
and you don't even get larger writing in exchange -- it's just
all wasted on empty vertical and horizontal whitespace.


-----------------------------------

3 edit these two files in /etc/sysconfig, and set the following values
[this can also be done through the yast sysconfig editor, but it's
simpler to just edit the files directly]

3A   in /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager
DISPLAYMANAGER="kdm3"

3B   in /etc/sysconfig/windowmanager
DEFAULT_WM="startkde3"


----

init 3
init 5


You'll then have a happy KDE 3.10 system




From radkins at impelind.com  Tue Aug 23 14:55:01 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 14:55:01 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Any good resources for IPTables?
Message-ID: <E91897A219184F129E626434B2A8570C@Delta7>

I'm looking for some good resources that have a decent breakdown of the
syntax of existing chains as well as how to build chains. I don't mind
picking up a book on the subject. I have dug through a handful of online
resources, but I have been finding them wanting in terms of how the
information is presented.
 
    Thanks,
    Rob


From carl at carltm.com  Tue Aug 23 19:53:15 2011
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:53:15 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Any good resources for IPTables?
In-Reply-To: <E91897A219184F129E626434B2A8570C@Delta7>
References: <E91897A219184F129E626434B2A8570C@Delta7>
Message-ID: <74829cd41702d331440a390aa3da3817.squirrel@mail.carltm.com>

Robert Adkins II wrote:
> I'm looking for some good resources that have a decent breakdown of the
> syntax of existing chains as well as how to build chains.

I bookmarked this years ago.  It's worth taking a look at.
Also, I'd suggest that you take your time learning iptables.
I found that it took some time for me to understand the
concepts and terminology before I actually started doing
anything.

http://www.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial/iptables-tutorial.html

c




From danno at umich.edu  Tue Aug 23 21:20:26 2011
From: danno at umich.edu (Dan Pritts)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 21:20:26 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Any good resources for IPTables?
In-Reply-To: <E91897A219184F129E626434B2A8570C@Delta7>
References: <E91897A219184F129E626434B2A8570C@Delta7>
Message-ID: <4E5451DA.1080905@umich.edu>

Have you looked at the "official" howtos?

http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/index.html#documentation-howto

the networking concepts plus packet filtering howtos i think are pretty 
well written.

Plus i love how the site is laid out, clearly German-language A4 
Postscript is the most frequently used of any possible format :)

Robert Adkins II wrote:
> I'm looking for some good resources that have a decent breakdown of the
> syntax of existing chains as well as how to build chains. I don't mind
> picking up a book on the subject. I have dug through a handful of online
> resources, but I have been finding them wanting in terms of how the
> information is presented.
>
>      Thanks,
>      Rob
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


From spjamesb at gmail.com  Tue Aug 23 22:33:33 2011
From: spjamesb at gmail.com (Jim Broughton)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:33:33 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Any good resources for IPTables?
In-Reply-To: <E91897A219184F129E626434B2A8570C@Delta7>
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On 08/23/2011 02:55 PM, Robert Adkins II wrote:
> I'm looking for some good resources that have a decent breakdown of the
> syntax of existing chains as well as how to build chains. I don't mind
> picking up a book on the subject. I have dug through a handful of online
> resources, but I have been finding them wanting in terms of how the
> information is presented.
>
>      Thanks,
>      Rob
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> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>

Are you looking to build custom chains or just work within the standard set?

I have written a few small firewall scripts and I have found your best bet is the
man page for iptables itself. The first thing you have to do is write down a 
description
in English as to exactly what you wish to accomplish. As in... If an incoming 
packet
from ip address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is trying to initiate a connection to port 25 
should
it be allowed through. Or I don't want any connections to port 22 except for 
these ip address or
this ip range that I determine should be able to connect.

I find that being able to look at examples is a great way to learn so...

Perhaps if you threaten me enough I'll even send you a modified for safety 
version of one that has
been keeping a couple of my administered sites safe for over 5 years.
The firewall contains some good examples of connection logging, limiting 
connection hits, nat,
port forwarding with and without logging and country blocking.




From gib at juno.com  Wed Aug 24 09:10:22 2011
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:10:22 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Any good resources for IPTables?
Message-ID: <20110824.091022.2178.0@webmail21.vgs.untd.com>

This sounds like a good topic for a discussion or presentation.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Jim Broughton <spjamesb at gmail.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Any good resources for IPTables?
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:33:33 -0400




On 08/23/2011 02:55 PM, Robert Adkins II wrote:
> I'm looking for some good resources that have a decent breakdown of the
> syntax of existing chains as well as how to build chains. I don't mind
> picking up a book on the subject. I have dug through a handful of online
> resources, but I have been finding them wanting in terms of how the
> information is presented.
>
>      Thanks,
>      Rob
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>

Are you looking to build custom chains or just work within the standard set?

I have written a few small firewall scripts and I have found your best bet is the
man page for iptables itself. The first thing you have to do is write down a 
description
in English as to exactly what you wish to accomplish. As in... If an incoming 
packet
from ip address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is trying to initiate a connection to port 25 
should
it be allowed through. Or I don't want any connections to port 22 except for 
these ip address or
this ip range that I determine should be able to connect.

I find that being able to look at examples is a great way to learn so...

Perhaps if you threaten me enough I'll even send you a modified for safety 
version of one that has
been keeping a couple of my administered sites safe for over 5 years.
The firewall contains some good examples of connection logging, limiting 
connection hits, nat,
port forwarding with and without logging and country blocking.


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From radkins at impelind.com  Wed Aug 24 09:49:08 2011
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:49:08 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Any good resources for IPTables?
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	<4E5462FD.8070802@gmail.com>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Broughton [mailto:spjamesb at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:34 PM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Cc: Robert Adkins II
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Any good resources for IPTables?
> 
> Are you looking to build custom chains or just work within 
> the standard set?
> 
> I have written a few small firewall scripts and I have found 
> your best bet is the man page for iptables itself. The first 
> thing you have to do is write down a description in English 
> as to exactly what you wish to accomplish. As in... If an 
> incoming packet from ip address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is trying to 
> initiate a connection to port 25 should it be allowed 
> through. Or I don't want any connections to port 22 except 
> for these ip address or this ip range that I determine should 
> be able to connect.
> 
> I find that being able to look at examples is a great way to 
> learn so...
> 
> Perhaps if you threaten me enough I'll even send you a 
> modified for safety version of one that has been keeping a 
> couple of my administered sites safe for over 5 years.
> The firewall contains some good examples of connection 
> logging, limiting connection hits, nat, port forwarding with 
> and without logging and country blocking.
> 

	I want to build some custom chains.

	I have written out the English of what I am looking to achieve. It's
just the action of getting that into the proper format and the correct
location that I haven't discovered.

	-Rob



From awilliam at whitemice.org  Wed Aug 24 10:53:08 2011
From: awilliam at whitemice.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:53:08 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Any good resources for IPTables?
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On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 09:49 -0400, Robert Adkins II wrote:
> I want to build some custom chains.
> I have written out the English of what I am looking to achieve. It's
> just the action of getting that into the proper format and the correct
> location that I haven't discovered.

1. Install fwbuilder <http://www.fwbuilder.org/>
2. Design your chains
3. Save the results.
4. Look at the generated script

The odds that FWBuilder doesn't support what you want to do is *very*
*very* low.  As iptables has become more sophisticated and capable, and
then there is IPv6 rule pairing/mirroring... I've abandoned all attempts
to maintain iptable rule-sets manually.   FWBuilder works, and will even
install the rules for you.




From spjamesb at gmail.com  Wed Aug 24 15:09:50 2011
From: spjamesb at gmail.com (Jim Broughton)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:09:50 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Any good resources for IPTables?
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References: <E91897A219184F129E626434B2A8570C@Delta7>
	<4E5462FD.8070802@gmail.com>
	<5C2F71EA8F3F40E2B30ED6B461F2D258@Delta7>
Message-ID: <4E554C7E.3090009@gmail.com>



On 08/24/2011 09:49 AM, Robert Adkins II wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jim Broughton [mailto:spjamesb at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:34 PM
>> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
>> Cc: Robert Adkins II
>> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Any good resources for IPTables?
>>
>> Are you looking to build custom chains or just work within
>> the standard set?
>>
>> I have written a few small firewall scripts and I have found
>> your best bet is the man page for iptables itself. The first
>> thing you have to do is write down a description in English
>> as to exactly what you wish to accomplish. As in... If an
>> incoming packet from ip address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is trying to
>> initiate a connection to port 25 should it be allowed
>> through. Or I don't want any connections to port 22 except
>> for these ip address or this ip range that I determine should
>> be able to connect.
>>
>> I find that being able to look at examples is a great way to
>> learn so...
>>
>> Perhaps if you threaten me enough I'll even send you a
>> modified for safety version of one that has been keeping a
>> couple of my administered sites safe for over 5 years.
>> The firewall contains some good examples of connection
>> logging, limiting connection hits, nat, port forwarding with
>> and without logging and country blocking.
>>
> 	I want to build some custom chains.
>
> 	I have written out the English of what I am looking to achieve. It's
> just the action of getting that into the proper format and the correct
> location that I haven't discovered.
>
> 	-Rob
>
>
Why not just go ahead an post just what your looking to do EXACTLY and
maybe I can post a rule or two to send you on your way.

Jim



From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Fri Aug 26 00:14:51 2011
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 00:14:51 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Dymo 450 Twin Turbo Won't Switch Rolls
In-Reply-To: <20110821192953.23320283@peter-t61.site>
References: <20110821192953.23320283@peter-t61.site>
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To compile a program you need the "development" versions of the
libraries installed.


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Fri Aug 26 15:26:02 2011
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:26:02 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Any good resources for IPTables?
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	<4E5462FD.8070802@gmail.com>
	<5C2F71EA8F3F40E2B30ED6B461F2D258@Delta7>
	<4E554C7E.3090009@gmail.com>
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http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2011/01/iptables-fundamentals/

On 8/24/11, Jim Broughton <spjamesb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 08/24/2011 09:49 AM, Robert Adkins II wrote:
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jim Broughton [mailto:spjamesb at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:34 PM
>>> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
>>> Cc: Robert Adkins II
>>> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Any good resources for IPTables?
>>>
>>> Are you looking to build custom chains or just work within
>>> the standard set?
>>>
>>> I have written a few small firewall scripts and I have found
>>> your best bet is the man page for iptables itself. The first
>>> thing you have to do is write down a description in English
>>> as to exactly what you wish to accomplish. As in... If an
>>> incoming packet from ip address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is trying to
>>> initiate a connection to port 25 should it be allowed
>>> through. Or I don't want any connections to port 22 except
>>> for these ip address or this ip range that I determine should
>>> be able to connect.
>>>
>>> I find that being able to look at examples is a great way to
>>> learn so...
>>>
>>> Perhaps if you threaten me enough I'll even send you a
>>> modified for safety version of one that has been keeping a
>>> couple of my administered sites safe for over 5 years.
>>> The firewall contains some good examples of connection
>>> logging, limiting connection hits, nat, port forwarding with
>>> and without logging and country blocking.
>>>
>> 	I want to build some custom chains.
>>
>> 	I have written out the English of what I am looking to achieve. It's
>> just the action of getting that into the proper format and the correct
>> location that I haven't discovered.
>>
>> 	-Rob
>>
>>
> Why not just go ahead an post just what your looking to do EXACTLY and
> maybe I can post a rule or two to send you on your way.
>
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>


From petertheplumber at att.net  Sun Aug 28 20:57:31 2011
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 20:57:31 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Dymo 450 Twin Turbo Won't Switch Rolls
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References: <20110821192953.23320283@peter-t61.site>
	<CAD39dTZtaaZ05sXY9pFu34=DbOdNgB7L3-zzHuiPmip7KDDjTA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 00:14:51 -0400
Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com> wrote:

> To compile a program you need the "development" versions of the
> libraries installed.
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug

	Thanks for the pointer, I installed libgnomecups-devel and
	cups-ddk and I was able to proceed. Sadly it seems to have had
	no effect on being able to switch to the right side printing
	roll. 

-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber
<petertheplumber at att.net>


From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 29 12:26:14 2011
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:26:14 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Dymo 450 Twin Turbo Won't Switch Rolls
In-Reply-To: <20110828205731.648a1a81@peter-t61.site>
References: <20110821192953.23320283@peter-t61.site>
	<CAD39dTZtaaZ05sXY9pFu34=DbOdNgB7L3-zzHuiPmip7KDDjTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110828205731.648a1a81@peter-t61.site>
Message-ID: <4E5BBDA6.4070806@gmail.com>

Peter Bart wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 00:14:51 -0400
> Jeff Hanson<jhansonxi at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> To compile a program you need the "development" versions of the
>> libraries installed.
 >>
>
> 	Thanks for the pointer, I installed libgnomecups-devel and
> 	cups-ddk and I was able to proceed. Sadly it seems to have had
> 	no effect on being able to switch to the right side printing
> 	roll.
>

what output do you get from the following:

cd /usr/bin ; ls -alart | tail -20






From petertheplumber at att.net  Mon Aug 29 17:30:45 2011
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 17:30:45 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Dymo 450 Twin Turbo Won't Switch Rolls
In-Reply-To: <4E5BBDA6.4070806@gmail.com>
References: <20110821192953.23320283@peter-t61.site>
	<CAD39dTZtaaZ05sXY9pFu34=DbOdNgB7L3-zzHuiPmip7KDDjTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110828205731.648a1a81@peter-t61.site>
	<4E5BBDA6.4070806@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110829173045.09cd045e@peter-t61.site>

On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:26:14 -0400
Aaron Kulkis <akulkis00 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Peter Bart wrote:
> > On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 00:14:51 -0400
> > Jeff Hanson<jhansonxi at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >
> >> To compile a program you need the "development" versions of the
> >> libraries installed.
>  >>
> >
> > 	Thanks for the pointer, I installed libgnomecups-devel and
> > 	cups-ddk and I was able to proceed. Sadly it seems to have
> > had no effect on being able to switch to the right side printing
> > 	roll.
> >
> 
> what output do you get from the following:
> 
> cd /usr/bin ; ls -alart | tail -20

	I'm wondering if I have a bad one, I'm about to see if I can
	exchange it. FWIW CUPS says it's at
	<usb://DYMO/LabelWriter%20450%20Twin%20Turbo?serial=10070409151520>
	Here you go:

peter at peter-t61:~> cd /usr/bin ; ls -alart | tail -20
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  root       12376 2011-08-05 18:24 mencvcd
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  root     9561896 2011-08-05 18:25 mencoder
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  root    11041320 2011-08-05 18:25 mplayer
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  root    14569664 2011-08-08 11:51 ghb
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  root    10688296 2011-08-10 06:10 flashplayer
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  root      111632 2011-08-10 12:18 foomatic-rip
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  root       10600 2011-08-13 11:54 xine-list-1.1
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  root          10 2011-08-14 20:16 sylpheed-claws ->
claws-mail 
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  root          31 2011-08-14 20:17 seamonkey
-> ../lib64/seamonkey/seamonkey.sh 
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          35 2011-08-14 20:17 thunderbird
-> ../lib64/thunderbird/thunderbird.sh 
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           8 2011-08-14 20:18 gimp -> gimp-2.6
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root          16 2011-08-14 20:18 gimp-console ->
gimp-console-2.6 
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  root           7 2011-08-14 20:18
gmplayer -> mplayer 
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  root           3 2011-08-14 20:19 HandBrakeGUI ->
ghb 
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  root           7 2011-08-18 21:46 cc -> gcc-4.5
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  root           8 2011-08-18 21:46 gcov -> gcov-4.5
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  root           7 2011-08-18 21:46 gcc -> gcc-4.5
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  root           7 2011-08-18 21:46 g++ -> g++-4.5
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  root           7 2011-08-18 21:46 c++ -> g++-4.5
drwxr-xr-x  2 root  root       69632 2011-08-28 20:26 .


-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber
<petertheplumber at att.net>


