From carl at carltm.com  Mon Nov  8 19:11:16 2010
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:11:16 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
Message-ID: <46106d76266f5f0f9842dc742c3cf41d.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

I have a friend that needs some audio tapes converted
to cds.  Do you know of anyone locally who provides
this service?

c




From ldaphelp at thuemmel.com  Mon Nov  8 20:38:35 2010
From: ldaphelp at thuemmel.com (Mark Thuemmel)
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:38:35 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
In-Reply-To: <46106d76266f5f0f9842dc742c3cf41d.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
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On 11/08/2010 07:11 PM, Carl T. Miller wrote:
> I have a friend that needs some audio tapes converted
> to cds.  Do you know of anyone locally who provides
> this service?

is an "audio tapes" a cassette or what?  how many?  how many minutes
total and how many minutes per tape and per file?  is this music or
spoken word?  how many CDs to finish the job?

Certainly you've considered plugging an audio jack into a tape player
and running audacity or loading Ubuntu Studio.....


From carl at carltm.com  Mon Nov  8 20:53:47 2010
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:53:47 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
In-Reply-To: <4CD8A61B.8020408@thuemmel.com>
References: <46106d76266f5f0f9842dc742c3cf41d.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<4CD8A61B.8020408@thuemmel.com>
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Mark Thuemmel wrote:
> On 11/08/2010 07:11 PM, Carl T. Miller wrote:
>> I have a friend that needs some audio tapes converted
>> to cds.  Do you know of anyone locally who provides
>> this service?
>
> is an "audio tapes" a cassette or what?  how many?  how many minutes
> total and how many minutes per tape and per file?  is this music or
> spoken word?  how many CDs to finish the job?
>
> Certainly you've considered plugging an audio jack into a tape player
> and running audacity or loading Ubuntu Studio.....

I'm pretty sure these are music casette tapes, and there
are 13 of them.  Not sure how many cds...probably 13.

Actually I did think it would be possible to record from
a tape player, however I don't have one and I've never
tried to copy an analog source to a digital medium.

I was actually hoping there might be an audiophile on the
list that would be able to do this.

c




From gib at juno.com  Mon Nov  8 22:26:38 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 03:26:38 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
Message-ID: <20101108.222638.13228.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>


Umm, perhaps bring it to the meeting?

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Carl T. Miller" <carl at carltm.com>
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Converting tapes
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:53:47 -0500

Mark Thuemmel wrote:
> On 11/08/2010 07:11 PM, Carl T. Miller wrote:
>> I have a friend that needs some audio tapes converted
>> to cds.  Do you know of anyone locally who provides
>> this service?
>
> is an "audio tapes" a cassette or what?  how many?  how many minutes
> total and how many minutes per tape and per file?  is this music or
> spoken word?  how many CDs to finish the job?
>
> Certainly you've considered plugging an audio jack into a tape player
> and running audacity or loading Ubuntu Studio.....

I'm pretty sure these are music casette tapes, and there
are 13 of them.  Not sure how many cds...probably 13.

Actually I did think it would be possible to record from
a tape player, however I don't have one and I've never
tried to copy an analog source to a digital medium.

I was actually hoping there might be an audiophile on the
list that would be able to do this.

c


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From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  9 08:17:17 2010
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 08:17:17 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
In-Reply-To: <46106d76266f5f0f9842dc742c3cf41d.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <46106d76266f5f0f9842dc742c3cf41d.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikuY7BuSn0edUnkqJ+p6qre9R4=cO_SdmKbGijp@mail.gmail.com>

--- Carl T. Miller wrote:

> I have a friend that needs some audio tapes converted
> to CDs. ?Do you know of anyone locally who provides
> this service?

It's EXTREMELY trivial to do this at home.  Why pay for the service?
You can borrow a cassette player, or pick one up at a thrift
shop--just make sure it's got Dolby.

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
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From dand at zifferent.net  Tue Nov  9 08:53:13 2010
From: dand at zifferent.net (Dan DeSloover)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 08:53:13 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
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Exactly, because who wouldn't want their own cute little house elf?

Err, wait did you say Dolby?

> --- Carl T. Miller wrote:
>
>> I have a friend that needs some audio tapes converted
>> to CDs. ?Do you know of anyone locally who provides
>> this service?
>
> It's EXTREMELY trivial to do this at home.  Why pay for the service?
> You can borrow a cassette player, or pick one up at a thrift
> shop--just make sure it's got Dolby.
>
> ~~ Michael Rudas
> ?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
> ?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
> ?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
> ?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey
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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  9 11:19:10 2010
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:19:10 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikuY7BuSn0edUnkqJ+p6qre9R4=cO_SdmKbGijp@mail.gmail.com>
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	<AANLkTikuY7BuSn0edUnkqJ+p6qre9R4=cO_SdmKbGijp@mail.gmail.com>
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Michael Rudas wrote:
> --- Carl T. Miller wrote:
> 
>> I have a friend that needs some audio tapes converted
>> to CDs.  Do you know of anyone locally who provides
>> this service?
> 
> It's EXTREMELY trivial to do this at home.  Why pay for the service?
> You can borrow a cassette player, or pick one up at a thrift
> shop--just make sure it's got Dolby.

Also a Type I/Type II selector switch at the very least
(and preferably Type III/Type IV as well).

To get nice, linear response (that is, that the strength
of the magnetic fields stored on the tape are linearly
proportional to the original signal), the tape is first
subjected to an AC signal, referred to as the "Bias Tone",
which makes the magnetic coercivity of the recording
material more linear by more or less eliminating the
magnetic hysteresis effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hysteresis

The reason is that to record something on iron, it's easier
if you first subject the tape to an oscillating magnetic field,
and so whatever frequency is used for that oscillator is
called the "bias frequency".


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tape_bias


Type I is for the original formulation for tapes,
used Iron(II)oxide (Fe2O3) for  the actual media

Type II was the improvement using FeCr, typically
denoted as "Chrome", and uses a different bias
frequency than Type I.

Type IV is "metal" uses un-oxidized iron which uses
an evaporative sputtering process to deposit the
medium onto the tape substrate.  Uses the same
bias frequency as Type II, but at a different
field strength.

For playback, I BELIEVE that all you need is a two
position switch to choose between Type I and Type
II/III/IV switch (types II - IV all use the same
bias frequency), but I'm not totally sure about that.

Also, you might want to put the bias switch in
the "wrong" position... sometimes, playback with
the circuitry set for the "wrong" frequency results
in slightly better sound.

Lastly, some machines automatically detect which
type (I, II, III, or IV) by the size and position
of notches in the case.  While this is great for
recording, it's not so good for playback, as the
tape might not have been recorded at standard
bias frequency for that type -- so look for a
tape player with a selector switch.



From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  9 11:37:17 2010
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:37:17 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] More info on recording tape
Message-ID: <4CD978BD.3050405@gmail.com>


<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Cassette>


From jrw32982 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  9 12:47:46 2010
From: jrw32982 at yahoo.com (John Wiersba)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 09:47:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1289322002.13972.mdlug@mdlug.org>
References: <mailman.1.1289322002.13972.mdlug@mdlug.org>
Message-ID: <339827.96437.qm@web52705.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> You can borrow a cassette player, or pick one up at a thrift
> shop--just make sure it's got Dolby.
...
> Also a Type I/Type II selector switch at the very least
> (and preferably Type III/Type IV as well).

I haven't had good luck with this method in the past.  Maybe the poor quality of 
the player (i.e. a boom box) is what's causing the poor signal.  The sound as 
heard over my computer's speakers via the audio/microphone input is very 
substantially degraded from the sound heard on the boom box's speakers.

Anyone have any idea where to get an *inexpensive* cassette player with Dolby 
and a Type I/II switch on the web?  (I don't relish the idea of browsing thrift 
shops or yard sales looking for one)



      

From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  9 13:07:54 2010
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:07:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
In-Reply-To: <46106d76266f5f0f9842dc742c3cf41d.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <46106d76266f5f0f9842dc742c3cf41d.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <635550.22712.qm@web37907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

oddly enough I had to resort to Linux to record a track from an older cd that 
did not play on newer cd players. 


I connected the audio out to the line in on my linux pc. I forgot what the 
specific application I used to record but I could not do it on windows easily. 


You might be able to do the same from a tape player line out --> the audio 
input.




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Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 7:11:16 PM
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes

I have a friend that needs some audio tapes converted
to cds.  Do you know of anyone locally who provides
this service?

c


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From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  9 13:48:34 2010
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 13:48:34 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
In-Reply-To: <46106d76266f5f0f9842dc742c3cf41d.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <46106d76266f5f0f9842dc742c3cf41d.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimp=Qu=RjKoZ06zjhwXSYV7j4BJ0FsHs4Zo4YcS@mail.gmail.com>

--- Carl T. Miller wrote:

> I have a friend that needs some audio tapes converted to
> CDs. ?Do you know of anyone locally who provides this service?

Just to make it clear, by the way--I'm a professional audio technician
with 40+ years repair experience and experience as a recording
engineer, so I can certainly help with the process at the very least.

~~ Michael Rudas
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?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Tue Nov  9 14:16:00 2010
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 14:16:00 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
In-Reply-To: <339827.96437.qm@web52705.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.1.1289322002.13972.mdlug@mdlug.org>
	<339827.96437.qm@web52705.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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> From: John Wiersba

> I haven't had good luck with this method in the past.  Maybe the poor
quality of
> the player (i.e. a boom box) is what's causing the poor signal.  The
sound as
> heard over my computer's speakers via the audio/microphone input is
very
> substantially degraded from the sound heard on the boom box's
speakers.

 Actually, the sound card hardware probably has a *lot* more to do with
this.

 Not all sound cards are created equal - not even close. A heavy premium
is put on playback and output quality. Then, if there's anything left in
the budget, something is cobbled together for input. Sound card makers
know that the vast majority of users are going to play sounds almost
exclusively. A few might hook up a microphone to do web chats. Only a
tiny fraction will actually try to record anything but the human voice
(which doesn't get much past 4Khz, and is perfectly intelligible at
8-bits-per-samply quality).

 Most sound cards built into motherboards are cheap like that. Adequate
playback, marginal (at best) recording. They struggle to get even 12-bit
audio quality. My main machine has a SoundBlaster Live Value which
actually has pretty good recording hardware - I've recorded some old
vinyl records and tapes with good results using it. That was *not* the
case with the built-in sound chips on the motherboard.

 *Given* decent hardware, Linux has wonderful free tools for such
things. Audacity's very useful, and has neat things like "Click Removal"
to help clean up the sound of vinyl records.

 Sincerely,

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From micorral at comcast.net  Tue Nov  9 15:42:10 2010
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 15:42:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
In-Reply-To: <50d734c251d474e20497187adaf04b05.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <46106d76266f5f0f9842dc742c3cf41d.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<4CD8A61B.8020408@thuemmel.com>
	<50d734c251d474e20497187adaf04b05.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
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2010-11-08, Monsieur Carl T. Miller a ecrit:
> Actually I did think it would be possible to record from
> a tape player, however I don't have one and I've never
> tried to copy an analog source to a digital medium.

One possibility is something like this:
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&expIds=26637,27403,27510&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=plusdeck&cp=4&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=16891530613769854690&ei=FbDZTPupO4KrngepkLj3CQ&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=3&sqi=2&ved=0CDEQ8wIwAg#

But I agree with the others that just getting a cassette player hooked
up to your Line In audio jack and using Audacity is the easy and cheap
way to do it. I've done it before and it's worked fine.

Michael


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From: mrorourke at earthlink.net (Michael ORourke)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:42:01 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Job opportunity
Message-ID: <B467DDC63CF8420B85123F7F5B57A7F3@homepc>

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I don't normally bother passing these along, but I thought their might be 
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From gib at juno.com  Wed Nov 10 10:47:02 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:47:02 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Presentation Ideas for Canton Hack Day
Message-ID: <20101110.104702.11366.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com>

FYI

---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: Bradley Czerniak <czerniakb at cantonpl.org>
To: "'gib at juno.com'" <gib at juno.com>
Subject: RE: Presentation Ideas for Canton Hack Day
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:42:45 -0500

Gib,

My apologies for taking so long to get back to you; for some reason your message was in my spam folder. It won't happen again.

Thank you very much for sending the information along!

We welcome anyone to talk about anything hacking-related within reason, so I'd like to assure the MDLUG that any presentations from the wonderful list of ideas would be appreciated. Audience-wise, I think you can expect many inexperienced people, so introductory-level presentations about Linux and open source software might work well. On the other hand, if group members have particularly-cool projects, those are more than welcome too.

I don't know if any of your members would be interested in scripting up something based on our Catalog screen-scrape API, though I've made something of a toolkit: http://www.cantonpl.org/apis/WebPAC_Screenscrape_API.zip
The version of the screenscraper included in this kit is truly awful PHP code, but the live version works well and is available to query:
http://www.cantonpl.org/apis/cat.php?q=fancy
We have widgets for Windows and Mac OSX Dashboard, but none for Linux systems. Are any of your members familiar with screenlets or a similar Linux widget/gadget application? That might make for a neat demo. Just an idea.

Thanks again!,

Brad Czerniak
Digital Resources Developer
Canton Public Library

-----Original Message-----
From: gib at juno.com [mailto:gib at juno.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:55 PM
To: Bradley Czerniak
Subject: Presentation Ideas for Canton Hack Day


Hi, my name is Gib. I'm the President of the Metro Detroit Linux User's Group (MDLUG.ORG).

I saw your Canton Computer Hack Day event information.  I passed it along to several local user group email lists that I belong to.  Hope that helps.

I have a long list of ideas that we came up with in one of our meetings.  I'll have to dig that one up.

Here are some of my ideas of things I might be able to present:
1. Graphics software - summary of a list of free stuff.
2. How make $200 on the Internet (RENTACODER.COM).
3. How to build a bare bones, cheap, computer for $200 maybe $300.
4. Writing programs - code.
5. Area computer clubs and events.
6. Installing Linux (software).

I would need an electrical connection for my laptop, and if possible a projector and screen. Internet connection (wired or wireless) would be helpful. Although, I could present anywhere with no resources if needed. 

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From carl at carltm.com  Wed Nov 10 17:59:45 2010
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 17:59:45 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] It's about time!
Message-ID: <ab90b5c45e2328d148f6ad11fecf6e2d.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Seems like I've been waiting for months to hear this!

<http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/210335/red_hat_releases_rhel_6.html>

Now I just hope that CentOS will be able to put out
version 6 in less than a week.

c




From gib at juno.com  Thu Nov 11 12:28:10 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:28:10 GMT
Subject: [mdlug]  It's about time!
Message-ID: <20101111.122810.4907.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com>

 
Yes, I just wonder if the open community approach really is better when it will become obvious to the Microsoft loving enterprises. The amount of additional code and the number of bug fixes is interesting.  It would be useful to compare the bug fix records of Red Hat against Microsoft.

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To: "MDLUG List" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] It's about time!
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 17:59:45 -0500

Seems like I've been waiting for months to hear this!

<http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/210335/red_hat_releases_rhel_6.html>

Now I just hope that CentOS will be able to put out
version 6 in less than a week.

c


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From gib at juno.com  Thu Nov 11 12:31:00 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:31:00 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] [Discuss] Links slide for the Games Presentation
Message-ID: <20101111.123100.4907.1@webmail15.vgs.untd.com>

Sorry I was out of town.  Perhaps we could do a game night.

Think about doing this for the Canton Hack Day? Or perhaps during a MDLUG meeting.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Craig Maloney <craig at decafbad.net>
To: discuss at mug.org
Subject: [Discuss] Links slide for the Games Presentation
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 00:08:50 -0500

If anyone is interested in the links to the various games presented
tonight, I've made a PDF of the slide for the 13 games that were
presented. You can download it from the following link:

http://ubuntuone.com/p/Oaa/

Feel free to ping me if you have any questions, or want to play any one
of the games in multi-player mode. :)

Thanks for allowing me to share this with you!

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From gib at juno.com  Sun Nov 14 12:55:06 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 17:55:06 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
Message-ID: <20101114.125506.7019.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>

I just set up a time slot for a short discussion about Linux and the free software that comes with it.  I'll try to bring some blank CDs. 

The MDLUG group has a table for building computers.



---------- Original Message ----------
From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
Subject: MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 01:30:22 GMT


Does anyone want to promote this event?  Please pas along to anyone who may be interested.

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From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
To: discuss at mug.org,  mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 01:27:24 GMT


We just signed up to demo building computers at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20:

http://cantonwiki.org

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From danno at umich.edu  Mon Nov 15 10:40:33 2010
From: danno at umich.edu (Dan Pritts)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:40:33 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikuY7BuSn0edUnkqJ+p6qre9R4=cO_SdmKbGijp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46106d76266f5f0f9842dc742c3cf41d.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<AANLkTikuY7BuSn0edUnkqJ+p6qre9R4=cO_SdmKbGijp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F542A25C-A380-4C48-84D1-6A1FABC8C937@umich.edu>


On Nov 9, 2010, at 8:17 AM, Michael Rudas wrote:
> It's EXTREMELY trivial to do this at home.  Why pay for the service?
> You can borrow a cassette player, or pick one up at a thrift
> shop--just make sure it's got Dolby.

You don't do heavy metal in doubly, you know.



From danno at umich.edu  Mon Nov 15 10:42:25 2010
From: danno at umich.edu (Dan Pritts)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:42:25 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
In-Reply-To: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03705BA2C67@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <mailman.1.1289322002.13972.mdlug@mdlug.org>
	<339827.96437.qm@web52705.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03705BA2C67@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <67046B41-500A-436D-92E4-40339989597F@umich.edu>


On Nov 9, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Ingles, Raymond wrote:
> Actually, the sound card hardware probably has a *lot* more to do with
> this.
> 
> Not all sound cards are created equal - not even close. A heavy premium
> is put on playback and output quality. Then, if there's anything left in

...and even for output, the one on your motherboard probably sucks.  :)

danno


From danno at umich.edu  Mon Nov 15 10:42:55 2010
From: danno at umich.edu (Dan Pritts)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:42:55 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] More info on recording tape
In-Reply-To: <4CD978BD.3050405@gmail.com>
References: <4CD978BD.3050405@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C0F700FD-2226-40FC-805C-CE13B1521274@umich.edu>

curse you for sending wikipedia links.  I just lost ten minutes reading it.

those were the days

On Nov 9, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

> 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Cassette>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 11:48:15 2010
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:48:15 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] More info on recording tape
In-Reply-To: <4CD978BD.3050405@gmail.com>
References: <4CD978BD.3050405@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=F__XrKnx+122AAr8jFUnQXYBOUheu8W+1G9+e@mail.gmail.com>

--- Aaron Kulkis wrote:

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Cassette>

I saw my first cassette recorder over a year before they were sold
here.  A friend of mine brought the very first Philips model back from
a trip to Europe.  It was over a year before she could buy blank tapes
here--until then, she had to order them directly from Philips in the
Netherlands. Talk about an early adopter!  I could see right away that
it was going to be the Next Big Thing.  When she had a problem with
it, I had to fix it for her, since Philips did not even have a
presence in the U.S. market, except for Norelco shavers.

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey


From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 11:53:41 2010
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:53:41 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
In-Reply-To: <67046B41-500A-436D-92E4-40339989597F@umich.edu>
References: <mailman.1.1289322002.13972.mdlug@mdlug.org>
	<339827.96437.qm@web52705.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03705BA2C67@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<67046B41-500A-436D-92E4-40339989597F@umich.edu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinozokdvaYncGX5_7cH0XdYQaXFJLjfen4zgS7U@mail.gmail.com>

--- Dan Pritts wrote:

> ---Raymond Ingles wrote:
>> Actually, the sound card hardware probably has a *lot* more to do with
>> this.  Not all sound cards are created equal - not even close. A heavy premium
>> is put on playback and output quality.

> ...and even for output, the one on your motherboard probably sucks. ?:)

Actually, in these days of multi-core processing, AC '97 and its
hi-def successor are decent audio quality in AND out--but I still
think a dedicated sound processor is better.  Why waste
general-purpose computing power, when specialized hardware is SO much
more efficient?

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 12:30:03 2010
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:30:03 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinozokdvaYncGX5_7cH0XdYQaXFJLjfen4zgS7U@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1289322002.13972.mdlug@mdlug.org>
	<339827.96437.qm@web52705.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03705BA2C67@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<67046B41-500A-436D-92E4-40339989597F@umich.edu>
	<AANLkTinozokdvaYncGX5_7cH0XdYQaXFJLjfen4zgS7U@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin7QN5xuHD4a1JX68DyremjpaQU7eXd7yg9dXoG@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Michael Rudas <audiotech50 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, in these days of multi-core processing, AC '97 and its
> hi-def successor are decent audio quality in AND out--but I still
> think a dedicated sound processor is better. ?Why waste
> general-purpose computing power, when specialized hardware is SO much
> more efficient?

I was always intrigued by this design:
http://www.techwarelabs.com/reviews/motherboard/ax4ge_tube-g/


From tesral at wowway.com  Wed Nov 17 10:23:30 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:23:30 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
In-Reply-To: <20101114.125506.7019.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20101114.125506.7019.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4CE3F372.7070503@wowway.com>

gib at juno.com wrote:
> I just set up a time slot for a short discussion about Linux and the free software that comes with it.  I'll try to bring some blank CDs. 
>
> The MDLUG group has a table for building computers.
>   

Who is attending the Event?  I will be there.  I'll have one commuter we
can mess with and my laptop with the burn box.  I spent some time
updating anything that needed updating and found I didn't have Knoppix,
I fixed that.

For those not in the know it is the Canton Hack Day. 
http://www.cantonpl.org/tags/cpl-hack-day  We have a table at same to
show how computers are built and how to install Linux. 

The hours are from 1:00 to 5:00.  I would assume we need to be there a
bit early. 

NOTE:  We are on the front page as providing software.  We must attend. 
At least I must attend.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Those persons, or societies, easily offended need to be offended until they get over it.
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From mat.enders at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 10:28:55 2010
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:28:55 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
In-Reply-To: <4CE3F372.7070503@wowway.com>
References: <20101114.125506.7019.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com><4CE3F372.7070503@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <1911568194-1290007736-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-399062724-@bda786.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

We also may want to have the Open Disk on the burn box. It is a disk of Open Source Windows software. 
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: Garry Stahl <tesral at wowway.com>
Sender: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:23:30 
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list<mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20

gib at juno.com wrote:
> I just set up a time slot for a short discussion about Linux and the free software that comes with it.  I'll try to bring some blank CDs. 
>
> The MDLUG group has a table for building computers.
>   

Who is attending the Event?  I will be there.  I'll have one commuter we
can mess with and my laptop with the burn box.  I spent some time
updating anything that needed updating and found I didn't have Knoppix,
I fixed that.

For those not in the know it is the Canton Hack Day. 
http://www.cantonpl.org/tags/cpl-hack-day  We have a table at same to
show how computers are built and how to install Linux. 

The hours are from 1:00 to 5:00.  I would assume we need to be there a
bit early. 

NOTE:  We are on the front page as providing software.  We must attend. 
At least I must attend.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Those persons, or societies, easily offended need to be offended until they get over it.
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org

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From tesral at wowway.com  Wed Nov 17 12:18:05 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:18:05 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
In-Reply-To: <1911568194-1290007736-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-399062724-@bda786.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <20101114.125506.7019.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com><4CE3F372.7070503@wowway.com>
	<1911568194-1290007736-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-399062724-@bda786.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <4CE40E4D.2030601@wowway.com>

mat.enders at gmail.com wrote:
> We also may want to have the Open Disk on the burn box. It is a disk of Open Source Windows software. 
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>   
Get same to me and I shall add it.


-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Those persons, or societies, easily offended need to be offended until they get over it.
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From danno at umich.edu  Wed Nov 17 13:48:37 2010
From: danno at umich.edu (Dan Pritts)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:48:37 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinozokdvaYncGX5_7cH0XdYQaXFJLjfen4zgS7U@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1289322002.13972.mdlug@mdlug.org>
	<339827.96437.qm@web52705.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03705BA2C67@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<67046B41-500A-436D-92E4-40339989597F@umich.edu>
	<AANLkTinozokdvaYncGX5_7cH0XdYQaXFJLjfen4zgS7U@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F119A51F-54BE-4791-B94D-7A38CD7F86D5@umich.edu>


On Nov 15, 2010, at 11:53 AM, Michael Rudas wrote:
> Actually, in these days of multi-core processing, AC '97 and its
> hi-def successor are decent audio quality in AND out--but I still
> think a dedicated sound processor is better.  Why waste
> general-purpose computing power, when specialized hardware is SO much
> more efficient?

From what I've read, it's the noisy RF environment inside the chassis that is a bitch, really.  

As far as "wasting general-purpose compute power," though, I've got plenty to go around.  

From gib at juno.com  Wed Nov 17 14:02:43 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:02:43 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
Message-ID: <20101117.140243.29319.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com>

I plan to be there.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Garry Stahl <tesral at wowway.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:23:30 -0500

gib at juno.com wrote:
> I just set up a time slot for a short discussion about Linux and the free software that comes with it.  I'll try to bring some blank CDs. 
>
> The MDLUG group has a table for building computers.
>   

Who is attending the Event?  I will be there.  I'll have one commuter we
can mess with and my laptop with the burn box.  I spent some time
updating anything that needed updating and found I didn't have Knoppix,
I fixed that.

For those not in the know it is the Canton Hack Day. 
http://www.cantonpl.org/tags/cpl-hack-day  We have a table at same to
show how computers are built and how to install Linux. 

The hours are from 1:00 to 5:00.  I would assume we need to be there a
bit early. 

NOTE:  We are on the front page as providing software.  We must attend. 
At least I must attend.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Those persons, or societies, easily offended need to be offended until they get over it.
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org

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From tesral at wowway.com  Wed Nov 17 14:30:51 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:30:51 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
In-Reply-To: <20101117.140243.29319.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20101117.140243.29319.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4CE42D6B.8080203@wowway.com>

gib at juno.com wrote:
> I plan to be there.
>   

That is Two.


-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Those persons, or societies, easily offended need to be offended until they get over it.
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From tony at bemushosting.com  Wed Nov 17 18:19:38 2010
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:19:38 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
In-Reply-To: <4CE42D6B.8080203@wowway.com>
References: <20101117.140243.29319.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com>
	<4CE42D6B.8080203@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <1290035978.1811.0.camel@bemus-tony>

My family move thanks giving dinner to that day,  Sorry guys but I wont
be able to make it.

Tony Bemus

-----Original Message-----
From: Garry Stahl <tesral at wowway.com>
Reply-to: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov
20
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:30:51 -0500

gib at juno.com wrote:
> I plan to be there.
>   

That is Two.





From gib at juno.com  Thu Nov 18 12:36:56 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:36:56 GMT
Subject: [mdlug]  MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
Message-ID: <20101118.123656.11112.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com>

 Sorry to hear that.  Enjoy the family. Any objection if I play the some of the videos from MDLUG of your presentations?

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:19:38 -0500

My family move thanks giving dinner to that day,  Sorry guys but I wont
be able to make it.

Tony Bemus

-----Original Message-----
From: Garry Stahl <tesral at wowway.com>
Reply-to: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov
20
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:30:51 -0500

gib at juno.com wrote:
> I plan to be there.
>   

That is Two.



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From fulner at gmail.com  Thu Nov 18 12:39:49 2010
From: fulner at gmail.com (Robert Jim Fulner)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:39:49 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day
Message-ID: <AANLkTinMDaag4uCX7b4b6Mi_MbjbBFx-BxDbAP6Z+Hv7@mail.gmail.com>

Tony:

I had no idea your family was related to President Roosevelt or the current
adminstration.
 --
Jim Fulner
The DetroitLibertyPenguin
Promoting Free Minds, Free Markets and Free Software
*and whenever possible Free Beer
*"For as long as one of your brothers is not free, none of you are free"
248-765-7458 (cell)
http://www.facebook.com/jim.fulner


====================================
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:19:38 -0500
From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day
      Nov 20
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Message-ID: <1290035978.1811.0.camel at bemus-tony>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

My family move thanks giving dinner to that day,  Sorry guys but I wont
be able to make it.

Tony Bemus


From tony at bemushosting.com  Thu Nov 18 17:28:21 2010
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:28:21 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
Message-ID: <0MD9hU-1PFt3n3KX6-00GeIT@mrelay.perfora.net>

Go ahead Gib, I would be honered.  

Tony Bemus
Sent from my smartphone

-----Original Message-----
From: gib at juno.com <gib at juno.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:36 PM
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: [mdlug]  MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20

 Sorry to hear that.  Enjoy the family. Any objection if I play the some of the videos from MDLUG of your presentations?

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:19:38 -0500

My family move thanks giving dinner to that day,  Sorry guys but I wont
be able to make it.

Tony Bemus

-----Original Message-----
From: Garry Stahl <tesral at wowway.com>
Reply-to: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov
20
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:30:51 -0500

gib at juno.com wrote:
> I plan to be there.
>   

That is Two.



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From tony at bemushosting.com  Thu Nov 18 17:30:07 2010
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:30:07 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day
Message-ID: <0LiD4F-1OfjZO15F5-00n3wI@mrelay.perfora.net>

Im not making the connection...

Tony Bemus
Sent from my smartphone

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Jim Fulner <fulner at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:39 PM
To: MDLUG <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day

Tony:

I had no idea your family was related to President Roosevelt or the current
adminstration.
 --
Jim Fulner
The DetroitLibertyPenguin
Promoting Free Minds, Free Markets and Free Software
*and whenever possible Free Beer
*"For as long as one of your brothers is not free, none of you are free"
248-765-7458 (cell)
http://www.facebook.com/jim.fulner


====================================
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:19:38 -0500
From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day
      Nov 20
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Message-ID: <1290035978.1811.0.camel at bemus-tony>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

My family move thanks giving dinner to that day,  Sorry guys but I wont
be able to make it.

Tony Bemus
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From rjclay at gmail.com  Thu Nov 18 16:27:03 2010
From: rjclay at gmail.com (Robert J. Clay)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:27:03 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
In-Reply-To: <4CE3F372.7070503@wowway.com>
References: <20101114.125506.7019.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>
	<4CE3F372.7070503@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=0ZTHb3ViY+ZgJMGhhZnP8NXYxYpxtisEmCozi@mail.gmail.com>

Garry,

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Garry Stahl <tesral at wowway.com> wrote:
> gib at juno.com wrote:
>> I just set up a time slot for a short discussion about Linux and the free software that comes with it. ?I'll try to bring some blank CDs.
>>
>> The MDLUG group has a table for building computers.
>>
>
> Who is attending the Event? ?I will be there.

     I'm currently planning to be there, though I'm not entirely sure
when I'll make it there...



-- 
R. J. Clay ('Jame')
rjclay at gmail.com


From tesral at wowway.com  Thu Nov 18 18:05:03 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:05:03 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day
In-Reply-To: <0LiD4F-1OfjZO15F5-00n3wI@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <0LiD4F-1OfjZO15F5-00n3wI@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <4CE5B11F.9000509@wowway.com>

Tony Bemus wrote:
> Im not making the connection...
>
>   

FDR tried moving Thanksgiving to lengthen the Christmas shopping season.
It went over line a lead balloon not made by the Mythbusters.


-- 
Garry AKA --Phoenix-- Rising above the Flames.

Those persons, or societies, easily offended need to be offended until
they get over it.
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org


From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 20 13:14:15 2010
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 13:14:15 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] My SEMCO SIG-Linux presentation (with links)
Message-ID: <AANLkTimPeS-JTASKURBXqA0d1zcjjAfcxSA01PO3Qb-c@mail.gmail.com>

I am posting this since I feel it may be of general interest (for the
links, if nothing else)--these discs are intended to be used as tools
on Windows and Mac systems, as well as Linux--and they are all free.
I plan on bringing copies of the CDs and a few DVDs with as many of
the current disc image ISOs as will fit on a single DVD.  If I get a
chance, I may also create an updated "Bart PE" Windows CD (or at least
discuss creating one at the meeting).

The November SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting will be on Tuesday, November 23
at 6:45 p.m. at i3Detroit. The i3Detroit facility is located at:
1481 Wordsworth, Ferndale, MI 48220
Their web site is http://www.i3detroit.org. i3Detroit is located south
of 9 Mile Road at the corner of Wanda and Wordsworth streets. Wanda
runs south roughly half way between Hilton and John R. There is a link
to a map of the location from either the i3Detroit web site or the
Meetings page on the SEMCO web site http://www.semco.org --  the
meeting is open to all who are interested.

Topic: "Tool Discs - The Ninjas of Linux"

SIG-Linux chairman Michael Rudas (that's ME!) will lead a discussion
and demonstration of live Linux-based tool discs for a variety of
purposes, including backup, system recovery, password management,
forensics, anti-virus, and more.  Most of these discs are intended for
use on both Linux and Windows systems. As I have said before, "trying
to fix Windows from within Windows is often like trying to do a valve
job on an engine while it's running." These discs allow users to "step
outside" Windows to get under the hood.  Specific CDs
will be discussed and demonstrated.

As part of my preparation for this presentation, I have now created a
"Links" page for the discs I will be discussing:
<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/opcc/links/01___Software_related_information_001198934133/04___Tool_Discs____Bootable_utility_CDs__001290177945>
(full link)
In case this gets mangled--or if you want to just type it in--here's a
TinyURL to the same page:
http://tinyurl.com/tool-cds
I am also writing an article for my "FaveSoft" blog, which I will
finish after the meeting so I can tweak it based on feedback.

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey


From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Tue Nov 23 08:41:09 2010
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 08:41:09 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinozokdvaYncGX5_7cH0XdYQaXFJLjfen4zgS7U@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1289322002.13972.mdlug@mdlug.org><339827.96437.qm@web52705.mail.re2.yahoo.com><319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03705BA2C67@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp><67046B41-500A-436D-92E4-40339989597F@umich.edu>
	<AANLkTinozokdvaYncGX5_7cH0XdYQaXFJLjfen4zgS7U@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B00364D1@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Michael Rudas

> Actually, in these days of multi-core processing, AC '97 and its
> hi-def successor are decent audio quality in AND out--but I still
> think a dedicated sound processor is better.  Why waste
> general-purpose computing power, when specialized hardware is SO much
> more efficient?

This helps quantify things:
http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/11/22/1931230

In their tests, CPU usage is negligible, but the hardware and drivers
for dedicated cards make for some differences in audio quality. Note,
however, that they don't seem to test *input* fidelity at all.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                             (313) 227-2317

  "We've got no place in this outfit for good losers.
  We want tough hombres who will go in there and win!"
            - Admiral Jonas Ingram, 1926

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From radkins at impelind.com  Fri Nov 26 15:27:23 2010
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 15:27:23 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
Message-ID: <81FAD0AD81034242AE98E00C1DF5577A@Delta7>

We recently upgraded the DSL service at the office to essentially twice as
fast as it used to be. Unfortunately, our older DSL Router isn't capable of
going that fast. Luckily, they sent us a new one... and it is a POS. It is
incpabable of performing half the routing/firewalling of the older/slower
router.
 
For example, I need only our email server and two other internal IP
Addresses to have "direct" access to the Internet and all other systems to
be forced into going through the proxy server. The options on the new
Netopia router include allowing me to point external ports to internal
addresses, but otherwise everything on the inside has full, direct (and
speedy!) access to the wild, wild, west.
 
Here's my thoughts:
 
1. Pickup a good Cable Internet Router that can be upgraded with dd-wrt or
OpenWrt
 
2. Replace the firmware with one of the above mentioned types.
 
3. Place the Upgraded Cable Modem in between the network and the Netopia
POS, configure the routing we need and away we go.
 
Is this is an easily workable plan? 
 
Thanks,
Rob


From mat.enders at gmail.com  Fri Nov 26 15:44:04 2010
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 20:44:04 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
In-Reply-To: <81FAD0AD81034242AE98E00C1DF5577A@Delta7>
References: <81FAD0AD81034242AE98E00C1DF5577A@Delta7>
Message-ID: <335761237-1290804242-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-663234445-@bda786.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

That is the consumer grade OS. It uses a web interface and is pretty limited. However Netopia will usually sell you an upgrade to the OS for about $100US that you can then flash onto your device. This OS does not use a web interface it is strictly ssh and command line but is very feature rich. Before you buy the upgrade you should talk to a Netopia rep or check their website to ensure it will do what you need. 
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com>
Sender: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 15:27:23 
To: 'MDLUG's Main discussion list'<mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions

We recently upgraded the DSL service at the office to essentially twice as
fast as it used to be. Unfortunately, our older DSL Router isn't capable of
going that fast. Luckily, they sent us a new one... and it is a POS. It is
incpabable of performing half the routing/firewalling of the older/slower
router.
 
For example, I need only our email server and two other internal IP
Addresses to have "direct" access to the Internet and all other systems to
be forced into going through the proxy server. The options on the new
Netopia router include allowing me to point external ports to internal
addresses, but otherwise everything on the inside has full, direct (and
speedy!) access to the wild, wild, west.
 
Here's my thoughts:
 
1. Pickup a good Cable Internet Router that can be upgraded with dd-wrt or
OpenWrt
 
2. Replace the firmware with one of the above mentioned types.
 
3. Place the Upgraded Cable Modem in between the network and the Netopia
POS, configure the routing we need and away we go.
 
Is this is an easily workable plan? 
 
Thanks,
Rob
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug

From petertheplumber at att.net  Sat Nov 27 08:52:54 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 08:52:54 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
In-Reply-To: <81FAD0AD81034242AE98E00C1DF5577A@Delta7>
References: <81FAD0AD81034242AE98E00C1DF5577A@Delta7>
Message-ID: <1290865974.4499.1697.camel@plumber-notebook.site>

On Fri, 2010-11-26 at 15:27 -0500, Robert Adkins II wrote:
> We recently upgraded the DSL service at the office to essentially twice as
> fast as it used to be. Unfortunately, our older DSL Router isn't capable of
> going that fast. Luckily, they sent us a new one... and it is a POS. It is
> incpabable of performing half the routing/firewalling of the older/slower
> router.
>  
> For example, I need only our email server and two other internal IP
> Addresses to have "direct" access to the Internet and all other systems to
> be forced into going through the proxy server. The options on the new
> Netopia router include allowing me to point external ports to internal
> addresses, but otherwise everything on the inside has full, direct (and
> speedy!) access to the wild, wild, west.
>  
> Here's my thoughts:
>  
> 1. Pickup a good Cable Internet Router that can be upgraded with dd-wrt or
> OpenWrt
>  
> 2. Replace the firmware with one of the above mentioned types.
>  
> 3. Place the Upgraded Cable Modem in between the network and the Netopia
> POS, configure the routing we need and away we go.
>  
> Is this is an easily workable plan? 
>  
> Thanks,
> Rob

Rob,
	If you decide to go with dd-wrt, Buffalo sells wifi routers w/dd-wrt
installed.
<http://www.buffalotech.com/products/wireless/routers-and-access-points/>
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From petertheplumber at att.net  Sat Nov 27 09:00:25 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 09:00:25 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
In-Reply-To: <1290865974.4499.1697.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
References: <81FAD0AD81034242AE98E00C1DF5577A@Delta7>
	<1290865974.4499.1697.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
Message-ID: <1290866425.4499.1706.camel@plumber-notebook.site>

On Sat, 2010-11-27 at 08:52 -0500, Peter Bart wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-11-26 at 15:27 -0500, Robert Adkins II wrote:
> > We recently upgraded the DSL service at the office to essentially twice as
> > fast as it used to be. Unfortunately, our older DSL Router isn't capable of
> > going that fast. Luckily, they sent us a new one... and it is a POS. It is
> > incpabable of performing half the routing/firewalling of the older/slower
> > router.
> >  
> > For example, I need only our email server and two other internal IP
> > Addresses to have "direct" access to the Internet and all other systems to
> > be forced into going through the proxy server. The options on the new
> > Netopia router include allowing me to point external ports to internal
> > addresses, but otherwise everything on the inside has full, direct (and
> > speedy!) access to the wild, wild, west.
> >  
> > Here's my thoughts:
> >  
> > 1. Pickup a good Cable Internet Router that can be upgraded with dd-wrt or
> > OpenWrt
> >  
> > 2. Replace the firmware with one of the above mentioned types.
> >  
> > 3. Place the Upgraded Cable Modem in between the network and the Netopia
> > POS, configure the routing we need and away we go.
> >  
> > Is this is an easily workable plan? 
> >  
> > Thanks,
> > Rob
> 
> Rob,
> 	If you decide to go with dd-wrt, Buffalo sells wifi routers w/dd-wrt
> installed.
> <http://www.buffalotech.com/products/wireless/routers-and-access-points/>

	Although on second thought I might not go this way. Almost as many
negative reviews as positive on Amazon
<http://www.amazon.com/Buffalo-Technology-Nfiniti-Wireless-N-WZR-HP-G300NH/product-reviews/B0028ACYEK/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1>
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From danno at umich.edu  Sat Nov 27 10:45:36 2010
From: danno at umich.edu (Dan Pritts)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 10:45:36 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
In-Reply-To: <81FAD0AD81034242AE98E00C1DF5577A@Delta7>
References: <81FAD0AD81034242AE98E00C1DF5577A@Delta7>
Message-ID: <CB6DD0E0-91D3-4C21-9C48-D8AD067BBAEC@umich.edu>

I've had limited but very good experience with DD-WRT.  If your new router supports it that would be my first shot. 

Another option, of course, would be to take an old box and make it a router. I know there are various firewall and routing-oriented distributions, or you can just use whatever distro you're comfortable with and deal with it from the command line.

If you do go this route, and uptime is important, make sure you have another old box ready to go if the box croaks.  

On Nov 26, 2010, at 3:27 PM, Robert Adkins II wrote:

> We recently upgraded the DSL service at the office to essentially twice as
> fast as it used to be. Unfortunately, our older DSL Router isn't capable of
> going that fast. Luckily, they sent us a new one... and it is a POS. It is
> incpabable of performing half the routing/firewalling of the older/slower
> router.
> 
> For example, I need only our email server and two other internal IP
> Addresses to have "direct" access to the Internet and all other systems to
> be forced into going through the proxy server. The options on the new
> Netopia router include allowing me to point external ports to internal
> addresses, but otherwise everything on the inside has full, direct (and
> speedy!) access to the wild, wild, west.
> 
> Here's my thoughts:
> 
> 1. Pickup a good Cable Internet Router that can be upgraded with dd-wrt or
> OpenWrt
> 
> 2. Replace the firmware with one of the above mentioned types.
> 
> 3. Place the Upgraded Cable Modem in between the network and the Netopia
> POS, configure the routing we need and away we go.
> 
> Is this is an easily workable plan? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Rob
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From radkins at impelind.com  Mon Nov 29 08:29:04 2010
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 08:29:04 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
In-Reply-To: <CB6DD0E0-91D3-4C21-9C48-D8AD067BBAEC@umich.edu>
References: <81FAD0AD81034242AE98E00C1DF5577A@Delta7>
	<CB6DD0E0-91D3-4C21-9C48-D8AD067BBAEC@umich.edu>
Message-ID: <D1BF0074D65D4B1E85911A730385BBB5@Delta7>

  Dan,

	I have many old boxes laying around that I could do this with.

	The reason I am not going this route is specifically the reasons you
mention regarding uptime. I don't have time to build two or three machines
for the same task and then build/rebuild another whole system if/when one
fails.

	-Rob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Dan Pritts
> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 10:46 AM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
> 
> I've had limited but very good experience with DD-WRT.  If 
> your new router supports it that would be my first shot. 
> 
> Another option, of course, would be to take an old box and 
> make it a router. I know there are various firewall and 
> routing-oriented distributions, or you can just use whatever 
> distro you're comfortable with and deal with it from the command line.
> 
> If you do go this route, and uptime is important, make sure 
> you have another old box ready to go if the box croaks.  
> 
> On Nov 26, 2010, at 3:27 PM, Robert Adkins II wrote:
> 
> > We recently upgraded the DSL service at the office to essentially 
> > twice as fast as it used to be. Unfortunately, our older DSL Router 
> > isn't capable of going that fast. Luckily, they sent us a 
> new one... 
> > and it is a POS. It is incpabable of performing half the 
> > routing/firewalling of the older/slower router.
> > 
> > For example, I need only our email server and two other internal IP 
> > Addresses to have "direct" access to the Internet and all other 
> > systems to be forced into going through the proxy server. 
> The options 
> > on the new Netopia router include allowing me to point 
> external ports 
> > to internal addresses, but otherwise everything on the inside has 
> > full, direct (and
> > speedy!) access to the wild, wild, west.
> > 
> > Here's my thoughts:
> > 
> > 1. Pickup a good Cable Internet Router that can be upgraded with 
> > dd-wrt or OpenWrt
> > 
> > 2. Replace the firmware with one of the above mentioned types.
> > 
> > 3. Place the Upgraded Cable Modem in between the network and the 
> > Netopia POS, configure the routing we need and away we go.
> > 
> > Is this is an easily workable plan? 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Rob
> > _______________________________________________
> > mdlug mailing list
> > mdlug at mdlug.org
> > http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> 
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> 



From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Mon Nov 29 09:03:56 2010
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 09:03:56 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] OT: PC2100 DIMMs?
Message-ID: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B00365C6@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

I'm trying to Frankenstein together a computer for my kids. I've got a
2GHz P4 system, should be decent, but only one DIMM that works in it -
and it's only 128MB. I'm hoping someone on the list has some PC2100
DIMMS they don't need any more. The machine only has two memory slots,
so that's all I'd need. I'm hoping to get it boosted to a GB or so,
ideally.

I can offer two 512MB PC2700 ECC DIMMs in exchange. They don't work in
that machine, but should work in a suitable motherboard.

Thanks for any help or suggestions.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                     (313) 227-2317

 "When your [profit] margins are more sensitive to Bill Gates'
    pricing whims than they are the price of oil, that's an
       untenable position for a large company to be in."
      -- John Chapman Sr., BP Amoco Technology Executive

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From radkins at impelind.com  Mon Nov 29 09:06:57 2010
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 09:06:57 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
In-Reply-To: <335761237-1290804242-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-663234445-@bda786.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <81FAD0AD81034242AE98E00C1DF5577A@Delta7>
	<335761237-1290804242-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-663234445-@bda786.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <86AC9CB38E164C7F91E3811B282D4BAE@Delta7>

I have looked through it, Netopia specifically states that any questions
regarding this router needs to be sent to AT&T, they won't do anything
regarding offering support or software upgrades and AT&T is saying to talk
to Netopia.

-Rob
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of mat.enders at gmail.com
> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 3:44 PM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
> 
> That is the consumer grade OS. It uses a web interface and is 
> pretty limited. However Netopia will usually sell you an 
> upgrade to the OS for about $100US that you can then flash 
> onto your device. This OS does not use a web interface it is 
> strictly ssh and command line but is very feature rich. 
> Before you buy the upgrade you should talk to a Netopia rep 
> or check their website to ensure it will do what you need. 
> Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com>
> Sender: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 15:27:23
> To: 'MDLUG's Main discussion list'<mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Reply-To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
> 
> We recently upgraded the DSL service at the office to 
> essentially twice as fast as it used to be. Unfortunately, 
> our older DSL Router isn't capable of going that fast. 
> Luckily, they sent us a new one... and it is a POS. It is 
> incpabable of performing half the routing/firewalling of the 
> older/slower router.
>  
> For example, I need only our email server and two other 
> internal IP Addresses to have "direct" access to the Internet 
> and all other systems to be forced into going through the 
> proxy server. The options on the new Netopia router include 
> allowing me to point external ports to internal addresses, 
> but otherwise everything on the inside has full, direct (and
> speedy!) access to the wild, wild, west.
>  
> Here's my thoughts:
>  
> 1. Pickup a good Cable Internet Router that can be upgraded 
> with dd-wrt or OpenWrt
>  
> 2. Replace the firmware with one of the above mentioned types.
>  
> 3. Place the Upgraded Cable Modem in between the network and 
> the Netopia POS, configure the routing we need and away we go.
>  
> Is this is an easily workable plan? 
>  
> Thanks,
> Rob
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> 



From mat.enders at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 09:17:55 2010
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 14:17:55 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
In-Reply-To: <86AC9CB38E164C7F91E3811B282D4BAE@Delta7>
References: <81FAD0AD81034242AE98E00C1DF5577A@Delta7>
	<335761237-1290804242-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-663234445-@bda786.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><86AC9CB38E164C7F91E3811B282D4BAE@Delta7>
Message-ID: <1769153527-1291040277-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1643682886-@bda786.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I do not know the model # and I do not know off hand the model #s of the 2 different ones I have done this to for customers. One with a wired only Netopia and one with a wireless version.  
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 09:06:57 
To: <mat.enders at gmail.com>; 'MDLUG's Main discussion list'<mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: RE: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions

I have looked through it, Netopia specifically states that any questions
regarding this router needs to be sent to AT&T, they won't do anything
regarding offering support or software upgrades and AT&T is saying to talk
to Netopia.

-Rob
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of mat.enders at gmail.com
> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 3:44 PM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
> 
> That is the consumer grade OS. It uses a web interface and is 
> pretty limited. However Netopia will usually sell you an 
> upgrade to the OS for about $100US that you can then flash 
> onto your device. This OS does not use a web interface it is 
> strictly ssh and command line but is very feature rich. 
> Before you buy the upgrade you should talk to a Netopia rep 
> or check their website to ensure it will do what you need. 
> Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com>
> Sender: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 15:27:23
> To: 'MDLUG's Main discussion list'<mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Reply-To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
> 
> We recently upgraded the DSL service at the office to 
> essentially twice as fast as it used to be. Unfortunately, 
> our older DSL Router isn't capable of going that fast. 
> Luckily, they sent us a new one... and it is a POS. It is 
> incpabable of performing half the routing/firewalling of the 
> older/slower router.
>  
> For example, I need only our email server and two other 
> internal IP Addresses to have "direct" access to the Internet 
> and all other systems to be forced into going through the 
> proxy server. The options on the new Netopia router include 
> allowing me to point external ports to internal addresses, 
> but otherwise everything on the inside has full, direct (and
> speedy!) access to the wild, wild, west.
>  
> Here's my thoughts:
>  
> 1. Pickup a good Cable Internet Router that can be upgraded 
> with dd-wrt or OpenWrt
>  
> 2. Replace the firmware with one of the above mentioned types.
>  
> 3. Place the Upgraded Cable Modem in between the network and 
> the Netopia POS, configure the routing we need and away we go.
>  
> Is this is an easily workable plan? 
>  
> Thanks,
> Rob
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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 15:43:18 2010
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:43:18 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] OT: PC2100 DIMMs?
In-Reply-To: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B00365C6@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B00365C6@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <4CF41066.7000108@gmail.com>

Ingles, Raymond wrote:
> I'm trying to Frankenstein together a computer for my kids. I've got a
> 2GHz P4 system, should be decent, but only one DIMM that works in it -
> and it's only 128MB. I'm hoping someone on the list has some PC2100
> DIMMS they don't need any more. The machine only has two memory slots,
> so that's all I'd need. I'm hoping to get it boosted to a GB or so,
> ideally.
> 
> I can offer two 512MB PC2700 ECC DIMMs in exchange. They don't work in
> that machine, but should work in a suitable motherboard.
> 
> Thanks for any help or suggestions.
> 

I can get you some, but not immediately.  They are up
in Flint at a friend's house.

>  Sincerely,
> 
>  Ray Ingles                                     (313) 227-2317
> 
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>     pricing whims than they are the price of oil, that's an
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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 15:51:38 2010
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:51:38 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
In-Reply-To: <86AC9CB38E164C7F91E3811B282D4BAE@Delta7>
References: <81FAD0AD81034242AE98E00C1DF5577A@Delta7>	<335761237-1290804242-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-663234445-@bda786.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<86AC9CB38E164C7F91E3811B282D4BAE@Delta7>
Message-ID: <4CF4125A.4010703@gmail.com>

Robert Adkins II wrote:
> I have looked through it, Netopia specifically states that any questions
> regarding this router needs to be sent to AT&T, they won't do anything
> regarding offering support or software upgrades and AT&T is saying to talk
> to Netopia.
> 

Money talks.  You call up AT&T, and point out to them that
the included literature SPECIFICALLY STATES to call AT&T, not
Netopia... and that if they don't want to handle your problem,
then get things sorted out with AT&T, or they will lose your
account -- and if you don't receive answers from either
AT&T or Netopia, then your business will be on a new ISP
by the end of the week, and you will NOT be paying for any
service past that date, because their lack of proper support
for the system they are distributing constitutes breach
of contract -- and if they think otherwise, have fun getting
a jury to agree with them.


From radkins at impelind.com  Mon Nov 29 15:56:56 2010
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:56:56 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
In-Reply-To: <4CF4125A.4010703@gmail.com>
References: <81FAD0AD81034242AE98E00C1DF5577A@Delta7>	<335761237-1290804242-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-663234445-@bda786.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><86AC9CB38E164C7F91E3811B282D4BAE@Delta7>
	<4CF4125A.4010703@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8E52048894FF4592AF137B5D7F4CC8EA@Delta7>

If I lived in a world with unlimited time and resources, this would be a
great course of action to take.

Alas, I live in a world wherein my resources are limited and a minute wasted
is a minute gone for good. Thus, it's quicker and a little less costly to
just work around the damnable limitations.

-Rob
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Kulkis
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 3:52 PM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
> 
> Robert Adkins II wrote:
> > I have looked through it, Netopia specifically states that any 
> > questions regarding this router needs to be sent to AT&T, 
> they won't 
> > do anything regarding offering support or software upgrades 
> and AT&T 
> > is saying to talk to Netopia.
> > 
> 
> Money talks.  You call up AT&T, and point out to them that 
> the included literature SPECIFICALLY STATES to call AT&T, not 
> Netopia... and that if they don't want to handle your 
> problem, then get things sorted out with AT&T, or they will 
> lose your account -- and if you don't receive answers from 
> either AT&T or Netopia, then your business will be on a new 
> ISP by the end of the week, and you will NOT be paying for 
> any service past that date, because their lack of proper 
> support for the system they are distributing constitutes 
> breach of contract -- and if they think otherwise, have fun 
> getting a jury to agree with them.
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From mrorourke at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 29 22:54:52 2010
From: mrorourke at earthlink.net (Michael ORourke)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:54:52 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] pam_mkhomedir and NFS mounted home dirs
Message-ID: <C5840664FDFB4E6983BC5C093E464974@homepc>

Lug Nuts,

While setting up a LDAP server to authenticate user accounts, I decided to 
try and add a centralized NFS /home server too.  But when I added the 
pam_mkhomedir directive to the  /etc/pam.d/system-auth-ac file, the nfs 
mounted home dirs would get created as user nobody, which caused the 
directory to not be writeable by the user.  After a bit of digging, I found 
that if I changed the exported home filesystem attributes from root_squash 
to no_root_squash, then the home dir would get created with the correct 
ownership and the user could now write to their home directory.  However, 
for security reasons it is recommended that you do not mount the home 
directories with no_root_squash.  So my other work around was to not use 
pam_mkhomedir and just create the home directories on the nfs server at the 
same time I add an account in LDAP.
I'm curious if anyone else has run into this problem before?

-Mike 




From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Tue Nov 30 00:24:12 2010
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 00:24:12 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] pam_mkhomedir and NFS mounted home dirs
In-Reply-To: <C5840664FDFB4E6983BC5C093E464974@homepc>
References: <C5840664FDFB4E6983BC5C093E464974@homepc>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikA99WRbTxYwh6uJKYaqwq-YHdK6JfGKyucBHYV@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Michael ORourke
<mrorourke at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Lug Nuts,
>
> While setting up a LDAP server to authenticate user accounts, I decided to
> try and add a centralized NFS /home server too. ?But when I added the
> pam_mkhomedir directive to the ?/etc/pam.d/system-auth-ac file, the nfs
> mounted home dirs would get created as user nobody, which caused the
> directory to not be writeable by the user. ?After a bit of digging, I found
> that if I changed the exported home filesystem attributes from root_squash
> to no_root_squash, then the home dir would get created with the correct
> ownership and the user could now write to their home directory. ?However,
> for security reasons it is recommended that you do not mount the home
> directories with no_root_squash. ?So my other work around was to not use
> pam_mkhomedir and just create the home directories on the nfs server at the
> same time I add an account in LDAP.
> I'm curious if anyone else has run into this problem before?
>

I think the issue with no_root_squash is that it is easy for anyone to
become root on another PC and connect as such to the export with the
default authentication (IP/UID).  They could just as easily connect as
an allowed UID and cause just as much damage unless everything is
root-owned non-writable.  If you are restricting it to use some real
authentication then it's not a problem.

On Ubuntu 9.10 with an 9.04 server I'm using root_squash for
everything except a tftp server root and /export pseudo-fs.  I've got
everything explicitly exported on separate dirs but that's probably
unnecessary with /export.  I'm just using libpam-mount on the client
to mount everything at login.

To verify what the exports are actually using check /var/lib/nfs/etab
as this will include the defaults assumed.


From mrorourke at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 30 12:37:48 2010
From: mrorourke at earthlink.net (Michael ORourke)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:37:48 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] pam_mkhomedir and NFS mounted home dirs
References: <C5840664FDFB4E6983BC5C093E464974@homepc>
	<AANLkTikA99WRbTxYwh6uJKYaqwq-YHdK6JfGKyucBHYV@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6676703FFF304D47BD5CF9A2DD1B3488@homepc>

After doing some more digging, I found a reference on CentOS' web site that 
basically says to use pam_mkhomedir for non-centralized home dirs.  For the 
amount of home dirs that I need to share out from a centralized NFS server, 
I think I would be better off just creating the directories manually.  Maybe 
look into automounting /home instead.

-Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Hanson" <jhansonxi at gmail.com>
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] pam_mkhomedir and NFS mounted home dirs


On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Michael ORourke
<mrorourke at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Lug Nuts,
>
> While setting up a LDAP server to authenticate user accounts, I decided to
> try and add a centralized NFS /home server too. But when I added the
> pam_mkhomedir directive to the /etc/pam.d/system-auth-ac file, the nfs
> mounted home dirs would get created as user nobody, which caused the
> directory to not be writeable by the user. After a bit of digging, I found
> that if I changed the exported home filesystem attributes from root_squash
> to no_root_squash, then the home dir would get created with the correct
> ownership and the user could now write to their home directory. However,
> for security reasons it is recommended that you do not mount the home
> directories with no_root_squash. So my other work around was to not use
> pam_mkhomedir and just create the home directories on the nfs server at 
> the
> same time I add an account in LDAP.
> I'm curious if anyone else has run into this problem before?
>

I think the issue with no_root_squash is that it is easy for anyone to
become root on another PC and connect as such to the export with the
default authentication (IP/UID).  They could just as easily connect as
an allowed UID and cause just as much damage unless everything is
root-owned non-writable.  If you are restricting it to use some real
authentication then it's not a problem.

On Ubuntu 9.10 with an 9.04 server I'm using root_squash for
everything except a tftp server root and /export pseudo-fs.  I've got
everything explicitly exported on separate dirs but that's probably
unnecessary with /export.  I'm just using libpam-mount on the client
to mount everything at login.

To verify what the exports are actually using check /var/lib/nfs/etab
as this will include the defaults assumed.
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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Tue Nov 30 13:23:00 2010
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:23:00 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] OT: PC2100 DIMMs?
In-Reply-To: <4CF41066.7000108@gmail.com>
References: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B00365C6@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<4CF41066.7000108@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B00B2A76@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Aaron Kulkis


> I can get you some, but not immediately.  They are up
> in Flint at a friend's house.

 Thanks, that'd be great! There's no rush. At least, *I* don't think so.
Our ten-year-old, though... :)

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                   (313) 227-2317

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     would keep falling over forwards." - Stephen Turner

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From mark at aufdencamp.com  Tue Nov 30 14:59:45 2010
From: mark at aufdencamp.com (Mark Aufdencamp)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:59:45 -0700
Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
Message-ID: <20101130125945.181451e9c2a7ebbcd6ae28cea81146c8.543cb7d81d.wbe@email13.secureserver.net>

I've used the Netopia DSL router line supplied by AT&T.  Specifically, a
3346N and a couple similar models with WIFI at clients.  I initially had
the same perspective that it was a POS, but learned to live with it and
was quite happy.  Presuming you have a small subnet, these routers do a
decent job as a CPE edge device.  

It's important to view this as an access router and not try to implement
functionality that belongs on interior security devices. I've passed
static IP's through them to Ubuntu, RedHat, and Windows servers.  It's
much better to rely on the server firewall which you control, than the
CPE from a carrier that may be updated and messed with by the carrier. 
Keep a good perspective of the separation of duties and let the vendor
equipment do its transport thing and your gear perform its security
function.

You'll actually find a decent firewall and SNMP management on the
Netopia's.  I utilize MRTG with SNMP to graph the Netopia's traffic and
Nagios to monitor the Netopia and it's next Hop router.

As for AT&T, I won't use them as a vendor after my last few battles. 
Save you time and don't bother with their support nightmare.  They
always want to escalate to paid support, or send out a wiring tech, when
they mess up the circuit or routing with an upgrade!  

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
> From: "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com>
> Date: Fri, November 26, 2010 3:27 pm
> To: "'MDLUG's Main discussion list'" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
> 
> 
> We recently upgraded the DSL service at the office to essentially twice as
> fast as it used to be. Unfortunately, our older DSL Router isn't capable of
> going that fast. Luckily, they sent us a new one... and it is a POS. It is
> incpabable of performing half the routing/firewalling of the older/slower
> router.
>  
> For example, I need only our email server and two other internal IP
> Addresses to have "direct" access to the Internet and all other systems to
> be forced into going through the proxy server. The options on the new
> Netopia router include allowing me to point external ports to internal
> addresses, but otherwise everything on the inside has full, direct (and
> speedy!) access to the wild, wild, west.
>  
> Here's my thoughts:
>  
> 1. Pickup a good Cable Internet Router that can be upgraded with dd-wrt or
> OpenWrt
>  
> 2. Replace the firmware with one of the above mentioned types.
>  
> 3. Place the Upgraded Cable Modem in between the network and the Netopia
> POS, configure the routing we need and away we go.
>  
> Is this is an easily workable plan? 
>  
> Thanks,
> Rob
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> mdlug at mdlug.org
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From carl at carltm.com  Mon Nov  8 19:11:16 2010
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:11:16 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
Message-ID: <46106d76266f5f0f9842dc742c3cf41d.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

I have a friend that needs some audio tapes converted
to cds.  Do you know of anyone locally who provides
this service?

c




From ldaphelp at thuemmel.com  Mon Nov  8 20:38:35 2010
From: ldaphelp at thuemmel.com (Mark Thuemmel)
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:38:35 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
In-Reply-To: <46106d76266f5f0f9842dc742c3cf41d.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <46106d76266f5f0f9842dc742c3cf41d.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <4CD8A61B.8020408@thuemmel.com>

On 11/08/2010 07:11 PM, Carl T. Miller wrote:
> I have a friend that needs some audio tapes converted
> to cds.  Do you know of anyone locally who provides
> this service?

is an "audio tapes" a cassette or what?  how many?  how many minutes
total and how many minutes per tape and per file?  is this music or
spoken word?  how many CDs to finish the job?

Certainly you've considered plugging an audio jack into a tape player
and running audacity or loading Ubuntu Studio.....


From carl at carltm.com  Mon Nov  8 20:53:47 2010
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:53:47 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
In-Reply-To: <4CD8A61B.8020408@thuemmel.com>
References: <46106d76266f5f0f9842dc742c3cf41d.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<4CD8A61B.8020408@thuemmel.com>
Message-ID: <50d734c251d474e20497187adaf04b05.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Mark Thuemmel wrote:
> On 11/08/2010 07:11 PM, Carl T. Miller wrote:
>> I have a friend that needs some audio tapes converted
>> to cds.  Do you know of anyone locally who provides
>> this service?
>
> is an "audio tapes" a cassette or what?  how many?  how many minutes
> total and how many minutes per tape and per file?  is this music or
> spoken word?  how many CDs to finish the job?
>
> Certainly you've considered plugging an audio jack into a tape player
> and running audacity or loading Ubuntu Studio.....

I'm pretty sure these are music casette tapes, and there
are 13 of them.  Not sure how many cds...probably 13.

Actually I did think it would be possible to record from
a tape player, however I don't have one and I've never
tried to copy an analog source to a digital medium.

I was actually hoping there might be an audiophile on the
list that would be able to do this.

c




From gib at juno.com  Mon Nov  8 22:26:38 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 03:26:38 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
Message-ID: <20101108.222638.13228.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>


Umm, perhaps bring it to the meeting?

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Carl T. Miller" <carl at carltm.com>
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Converting tapes
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:53:47 -0500

Mark Thuemmel wrote:
> On 11/08/2010 07:11 PM, Carl T. Miller wrote:
>> I have a friend that needs some audio tapes converted
>> to cds.  Do you know of anyone locally who provides
>> this service?
>
> is an "audio tapes" a cassette or what?  how many?  how many minutes
> total and how many minutes per tape and per file?  is this music or
> spoken word?  how many CDs to finish the job?
>
> Certainly you've considered plugging an audio jack into a tape player
> and running audacity or loading Ubuntu Studio.....

I'm pretty sure these are music casette tapes, and there
are 13 of them.  Not sure how many cds...probably 13.

Actually I did think it would be possible to record from
a tape player, however I don't have one and I've never
tried to copy an analog source to a digital medium.

I was actually hoping there might be an audiophile on the
list that would be able to do this.

c


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From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  9 08:17:17 2010
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 08:17:17 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
In-Reply-To: <46106d76266f5f0f9842dc742c3cf41d.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <46106d76266f5f0f9842dc742c3cf41d.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikuY7BuSn0edUnkqJ+p6qre9R4=cO_SdmKbGijp@mail.gmail.com>

--- Carl T. Miller wrote:

> I have a friend that needs some audio tapes converted
> to CDs. ?Do you know of anyone locally who provides
> this service?

It's EXTREMELY trivial to do this at home.  Why pay for the service?
You can borrow a cassette player, or pick one up at a thrift
shop--just make sure it's got Dolby.

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey


From dand at zifferent.net  Tue Nov  9 08:53:13 2010
From: dand at zifferent.net (Dan DeSloover)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 08:53:13 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
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Exactly, because who wouldn't want their own cute little house elf?

Err, wait did you say Dolby?

> --- Carl T. Miller wrote:
>
>> I have a friend that needs some audio tapes converted
>> to CDs. ?Do you know of anyone locally who provides
>> this service?
>
> It's EXTREMELY trivial to do this at home.  Why pay for the service?
> You can borrow a cassette player, or pick one up at a thrift
> shop--just make sure it's got Dolby.
>
> ~~ Michael Rudas
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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  9 11:19:10 2010
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:19:10 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
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Michael Rudas wrote:
> --- Carl T. Miller wrote:
> 
>> I have a friend that needs some audio tapes converted
>> to CDs.  Do you know of anyone locally who provides
>> this service?
> 
> It's EXTREMELY trivial to do this at home.  Why pay for the service?
> You can borrow a cassette player, or pick one up at a thrift
> shop--just make sure it's got Dolby.

Also a Type I/Type II selector switch at the very least
(and preferably Type III/Type IV as well).

To get nice, linear response (that is, that the strength
of the magnetic fields stored on the tape are linearly
proportional to the original signal), the tape is first
subjected to an AC signal, referred to as the "Bias Tone",
which makes the magnetic coercivity of the recording
material more linear by more or less eliminating the
magnetic hysteresis effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hysteresis

The reason is that to record something on iron, it's easier
if you first subject the tape to an oscillating magnetic field,
and so whatever frequency is used for that oscillator is
called the "bias frequency".


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tape_bias


Type I is for the original formulation for tapes,
used Iron(II)oxide (Fe2O3) for  the actual media

Type II was the improvement using FeCr, typically
denoted as "Chrome", and uses a different bias
frequency than Type I.

Type IV is "metal" uses un-oxidized iron which uses
an evaporative sputtering process to deposit the
medium onto the tape substrate.  Uses the same
bias frequency as Type II, but at a different
field strength.

For playback, I BELIEVE that all you need is a two
position switch to choose between Type I and Type
II/III/IV switch (types II - IV all use the same
bias frequency), but I'm not totally sure about that.

Also, you might want to put the bias switch in
the "wrong" position... sometimes, playback with
the circuitry set for the "wrong" frequency results
in slightly better sound.

Lastly, some machines automatically detect which
type (I, II, III, or IV) by the size and position
of notches in the case.  While this is great for
recording, it's not so good for playback, as the
tape might not have been recorded at standard
bias frequency for that type -- so look for a
tape player with a selector switch.



From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  9 11:37:17 2010
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:37:17 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] More info on recording tape
Message-ID: <4CD978BD.3050405@gmail.com>


<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Cassette>


From jrw32982 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  9 12:47:46 2010
From: jrw32982 at yahoo.com (John Wiersba)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 09:47:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1289322002.13972.mdlug@mdlug.org>
References: <mailman.1.1289322002.13972.mdlug@mdlug.org>
Message-ID: <339827.96437.qm@web52705.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> You can borrow a cassette player, or pick one up at a thrift
> shop--just make sure it's got Dolby.
...
> Also a Type I/Type II selector switch at the very least
> (and preferably Type III/Type IV as well).

I haven't had good luck with this method in the past.  Maybe the poor quality of 
the player (i.e. a boom box) is what's causing the poor signal.  The sound as 
heard over my computer's speakers via the audio/microphone input is very 
substantially degraded from the sound heard on the boom box's speakers.

Anyone have any idea where to get an *inexpensive* cassette player with Dolby 
and a Type I/II switch on the web?  (I don't relish the idea of browsing thrift 
shops or yard sales looking for one)



      


From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  9 13:07:54 2010
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:07:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
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oddly enough I had to resort to Linux to record a track from an older cd that 
did not play on newer cd players. 


I connected the audio out to the line in on my linux pc. I forgot what the 
specific application I used to record but I could not do it on windows easily. 


You might be able to do the same from a tape player line out --> the audio 
input.




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From: Carl T. Miller <carl at carltm.com>
To: MDLUG List <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 7:11:16 PM
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes

I have a friend that needs some audio tapes converted
to cds.  Do you know of anyone locally who provides
this service?

c


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From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  9 13:48:34 2010
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 13:48:34 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
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References: <46106d76266f5f0f9842dc742c3cf41d.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimp=Qu=RjKoZ06zjhwXSYV7j4BJ0FsHs4Zo4YcS@mail.gmail.com>

--- Carl T. Miller wrote:

> I have a friend that needs some audio tapes converted to
> CDs. ?Do you know of anyone locally who provides this service?

Just to make it clear, by the way--I'm a professional audio technician
with 40+ years repair experience and experience as a recording
engineer, so I can certainly help with the process at the very least.

~~ Michael Rudas
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?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Tue Nov  9 14:16:00 2010
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 14:16:00 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
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	<339827.96437.qm@web52705.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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> From: John Wiersba

> I haven't had good luck with this method in the past.  Maybe the poor
quality of
> the player (i.e. a boom box) is what's causing the poor signal.  The
sound as
> heard over my computer's speakers via the audio/microphone input is
very
> substantially degraded from the sound heard on the boom box's
speakers.

 Actually, the sound card hardware probably has a *lot* more to do with
this.

 Not all sound cards are created equal - not even close. A heavy premium
is put on playback and output quality. Then, if there's anything left in
the budget, something is cobbled together for input. Sound card makers
know that the vast majority of users are going to play sounds almost
exclusively. A few might hook up a microphone to do web chats. Only a
tiny fraction will actually try to record anything but the human voice
(which doesn't get much past 4Khz, and is perfectly intelligible at
8-bits-per-samply quality).

 Most sound cards built into motherboards are cheap like that. Adequate
playback, marginal (at best) recording. They struggle to get even 12-bit
audio quality. My main machine has a SoundBlaster Live Value which
actually has pretty good recording hardware - I've recorded some old
vinyl records and tapes with good results using it. That was *not* the
case with the built-in sound chips on the motherboard.

 *Given* decent hardware, Linux has wonderful free tools for such
things. Audacity's very useful, and has neat things like "Click Removal"
to help clean up the sound of vinyl records.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                   (313) 227-2317

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From micorral at comcast.net  Tue Nov  9 15:42:10 2010
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 15:42:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
In-Reply-To: <50d734c251d474e20497187adaf04b05.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <46106d76266f5f0f9842dc742c3cf41d.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<4CD8A61B.8020408@thuemmel.com>
	<50d734c251d474e20497187adaf04b05.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
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2010-11-08, Monsieur Carl T. Miller a ecrit:
> Actually I did think it would be possible to record from
> a tape player, however I don't have one and I've never
> tried to copy an analog source to a digital medium.

One possibility is something like this:
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&expIds=26637,27403,27510&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=plusdeck&cp=4&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=16891530613769854690&ei=FbDZTPupO4KrngepkLj3CQ&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=3&sqi=2&ved=0CDEQ8wIwAg#

But I agree with the others that just getting a cassette player hooked
up to your Line In audio jack and using Audacity is the easy and cheap
way to do it. I've done it before and it's worked fine.

Michael


From mrorourke at earthlink.net  Tue Nov  9 20:42:01 2010
From: mrorourke at earthlink.net (Michael ORourke)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 20:42:01 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Job opportunity
Message-ID: <B467DDC63CF8420B85123F7F5B57A7F3@homepc>

Lug Nuts,

I don't normally bother passing these along, but I thought their might be 
someone here that may be interested...

-Mike

Ford Credit needs a UNIX/LINUX Administrator to backfill a candidate we 
recently moved over to Ford Motor.
Duration: LONG TERM (Les was there since 1998)

Paying around $40/hr

UNIX/LINUX administration - 4+ yrs experience

Shell and Perl scripting experience

Strong experience with volume managers - specifically Veritas Clustering

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kcaliann at TEKsystems.com
www.teksystems.com




From gib at juno.com  Wed Nov 10 10:47:02 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:47:02 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Presentation Ideas for Canton Hack Day
Message-ID: <20101110.104702.11366.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com>

FYI

---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: Bradley Czerniak <czerniakb at cantonpl.org>
To: "'gib at juno.com'" <gib at juno.com>
Subject: RE: Presentation Ideas for Canton Hack Day
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:42:45 -0500

Gib,

My apologies for taking so long to get back to you; for some reason your message was in my spam folder. It won't happen again.

Thank you very much for sending the information along!

We welcome anyone to talk about anything hacking-related within reason, so I'd like to assure the MDLUG that any presentations from the wonderful list of ideas would be appreciated. Audience-wise, I think you can expect many inexperienced people, so introductory-level presentations about Linux and open source software might work well. On the other hand, if group members have particularly-cool projects, those are more than welcome too.

I don't know if any of your members would be interested in scripting up something based on our Catalog screen-scrape API, though I've made something of a toolkit: http://www.cantonpl.org/apis/WebPAC_Screenscrape_API.zip
The version of the screenscraper included in this kit is truly awful PHP code, but the live version works well and is available to query:
http://www.cantonpl.org/apis/cat.php?q=fancy
We have widgets for Windows and Mac OSX Dashboard, but none for Linux systems. Are any of your members familiar with screenlets or a similar Linux widget/gadget application? That might make for a neat demo. Just an idea.

Thanks again!,

Brad Czerniak
Digital Resources Developer
Canton Public Library

-----Original Message-----
From: gib at juno.com [mailto:gib at juno.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:55 PM
To: Bradley Czerniak
Subject: Presentation Ideas for Canton Hack Day


Hi, my name is Gib. I'm the President of the Metro Detroit Linux User's Group (MDLUG.ORG).

I saw your Canton Computer Hack Day event information.  I passed it along to several local user group email lists that I belong to.  Hope that helps.

I have a long list of ideas that we came up with in one of our meetings.  I'll have to dig that one up.

Here are some of my ideas of things I might be able to present:
1. Graphics software - summary of a list of free stuff.
2. How make $200 on the Internet (RENTACODER.COM).
3. How to build a bare bones, cheap, computer for $200 maybe $300.
4. Writing programs - code.
5. Area computer clubs and events.
6. Installing Linux (software).

I would need an electrical connection for my laptop, and if possible a projector and screen. Internet connection (wired or wireless) would be helpful. Although, I could present anywhere with no resources if needed. 

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From carl at carltm.com  Wed Nov 10 17:59:45 2010
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 17:59:45 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] It's about time!
Message-ID: <ab90b5c45e2328d148f6ad11fecf6e2d.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Seems like I've been waiting for months to hear this!

<http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/210335/red_hat_releases_rhel_6.html>

Now I just hope that CentOS will be able to put out
version 6 in less than a week.

c




From gib at juno.com  Thu Nov 11 12:28:10 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:28:10 GMT
Subject: [mdlug]  It's about time!
Message-ID: <20101111.122810.4907.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com>

 
Yes, I just wonder if the open community approach really is better when it will become obvious to the Microsoft loving enterprises. The amount of additional code and the number of bug fixes is interesting.  It would be useful to compare the bug fix records of Red Hat against Microsoft.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Carl T. Miller" <carl at carltm.com>
To: "MDLUG List" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] It's about time!
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 17:59:45 -0500

Seems like I've been waiting for months to hear this!

<http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/210335/red_hat_releases_rhel_6.html>

Now I just hope that CentOS will be able to put out
version 6 in less than a week.

c


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From gib at juno.com  Thu Nov 11 12:31:00 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:31:00 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] [Discuss] Links slide for the Games Presentation
Message-ID: <20101111.123100.4907.1@webmail15.vgs.untd.com>

Sorry I was out of town.  Perhaps we could do a game night.

Think about doing this for the Canton Hack Day? Or perhaps during a MDLUG meeting.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Craig Maloney <craig at decafbad.net>
To: discuss at mug.org
Subject: [Discuss] Links slide for the Games Presentation
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 00:08:50 -0500

If anyone is interested in the links to the various games presented
tonight, I've made a PDF of the slide for the 13 games that were
presented. You can download it from the following link:

http://ubuntuone.com/p/Oaa/

Feel free to ping me if you have any questions, or want to play any one
of the games in multi-player mode. :)

Thanks for allowing me to share this with you!

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From gib at juno.com  Sun Nov 14 12:55:06 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 17:55:06 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
Message-ID: <20101114.125506.7019.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>

I just set up a time slot for a short discussion about Linux and the free software that comes with it.  I'll try to bring some blank CDs. 

The MDLUG group has a table for building computers.



---------- Original Message ----------
From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
Subject: MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 01:30:22 GMT


Does anyone want to promote this event?  Please pas along to anyone who may be interested.

---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
To: discuss at mug.org,  mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 01:27:24 GMT


We just signed up to demo building computers at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20:

http://cantonwiki.org

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From danno at umich.edu  Mon Nov 15 10:40:33 2010
From: danno at umich.edu (Dan Pritts)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:40:33 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
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On Nov 9, 2010, at 8:17 AM, Michael Rudas wrote:
> It's EXTREMELY trivial to do this at home.  Why pay for the service?
> You can borrow a cassette player, or pick one up at a thrift
> shop--just make sure it's got Dolby.

You don't do heavy metal in doubly, you know.



From danno at umich.edu  Mon Nov 15 10:42:25 2010
From: danno at umich.edu (Dan Pritts)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:42:25 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
In-Reply-To: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03705BA2C67@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <mailman.1.1289322002.13972.mdlug@mdlug.org>
	<339827.96437.qm@web52705.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03705BA2C67@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <67046B41-500A-436D-92E4-40339989597F@umich.edu>


On Nov 9, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Ingles, Raymond wrote:
> Actually, the sound card hardware probably has a *lot* more to do with
> this.
> 
> Not all sound cards are created equal - not even close. A heavy premium
> is put on playback and output quality. Then, if there's anything left in

...and even for output, the one on your motherboard probably sucks.  :)

danno


From danno at umich.edu  Mon Nov 15 10:42:55 2010
From: danno at umich.edu (Dan Pritts)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:42:55 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] More info on recording tape
In-Reply-To: <4CD978BD.3050405@gmail.com>
References: <4CD978BD.3050405@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C0F700FD-2226-40FC-805C-CE13B1521274@umich.edu>

curse you for sending wikipedia links.  I just lost ten minutes reading it.

those were the days

On Nov 9, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

> 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Cassette>
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From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 11:48:15 2010
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:48:15 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] More info on recording tape
In-Reply-To: <4CD978BD.3050405@gmail.com>
References: <4CD978BD.3050405@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=F__XrKnx+122AAr8jFUnQXYBOUheu8W+1G9+e@mail.gmail.com>

--- Aaron Kulkis wrote:

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Cassette>

I saw my first cassette recorder over a year before they were sold
here.  A friend of mine brought the very first Philips model back from
a trip to Europe.  It was over a year before she could buy blank tapes
here--until then, she had to order them directly from Philips in the
Netherlands. Talk about an early adopter!  I could see right away that
it was going to be the Next Big Thing.  When she had a problem with
it, I had to fix it for her, since Philips did not even have a
presence in the U.S. market, except for Norelco shavers.

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey


From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 11:53:41 2010
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:53:41 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
In-Reply-To: <67046B41-500A-436D-92E4-40339989597F@umich.edu>
References: <mailman.1.1289322002.13972.mdlug@mdlug.org>
	<339827.96437.qm@web52705.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03705BA2C67@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<67046B41-500A-436D-92E4-40339989597F@umich.edu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinozokdvaYncGX5_7cH0XdYQaXFJLjfen4zgS7U@mail.gmail.com>

--- Dan Pritts wrote:

> ---Raymond Ingles wrote:
>> Actually, the sound card hardware probably has a *lot* more to do with
>> this.  Not all sound cards are created equal - not even close. A heavy premium
>> is put on playback and output quality.

> ...and even for output, the one on your motherboard probably sucks. ?:)

Actually, in these days of multi-core processing, AC '97 and its
hi-def successor are decent audio quality in AND out--but I still
think a dedicated sound processor is better.  Why waste
general-purpose computing power, when specialized hardware is SO much
more efficient?

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 12:30:03 2010
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:30:03 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinozokdvaYncGX5_7cH0XdYQaXFJLjfen4zgS7U@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1289322002.13972.mdlug@mdlug.org>
	<339827.96437.qm@web52705.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03705BA2C67@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<67046B41-500A-436D-92E4-40339989597F@umich.edu>
	<AANLkTinozokdvaYncGX5_7cH0XdYQaXFJLjfen4zgS7U@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin7QN5xuHD4a1JX68DyremjpaQU7eXd7yg9dXoG@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Michael Rudas <audiotech50 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, in these days of multi-core processing, AC '97 and its
> hi-def successor are decent audio quality in AND out--but I still
> think a dedicated sound processor is better. ?Why waste
> general-purpose computing power, when specialized hardware is SO much
> more efficient?

I was always intrigued by this design:
http://www.techwarelabs.com/reviews/motherboard/ax4ge_tube-g/


From tesral at wowway.com  Wed Nov 17 10:23:30 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:23:30 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
In-Reply-To: <20101114.125506.7019.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20101114.125506.7019.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4CE3F372.7070503@wowway.com>

gib at juno.com wrote:
> I just set up a time slot for a short discussion about Linux and the free software that comes with it.  I'll try to bring some blank CDs. 
>
> The MDLUG group has a table for building computers.
>   

Who is attending the Event?  I will be there.  I'll have one commuter we
can mess with and my laptop with the burn box.  I spent some time
updating anything that needed updating and found I didn't have Knoppix,
I fixed that.

For those not in the know it is the Canton Hack Day. 
http://www.cantonpl.org/tags/cpl-hack-day  We have a table at same to
show how computers are built and how to install Linux. 

The hours are from 1:00 to 5:00.  I would assume we need to be there a
bit early. 

NOTE:  We are on the front page as providing software.  We must attend. 
At least I must attend.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Those persons, or societies, easily offended need to be offended until they get over it.
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From mat.enders at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 10:28:55 2010
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:28:55 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
In-Reply-To: <4CE3F372.7070503@wowway.com>
References: <20101114.125506.7019.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com><4CE3F372.7070503@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <1911568194-1290007736-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-399062724-@bda786.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

We also may want to have the Open Disk on the burn box. It is a disk of Open Source Windows software. 
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: Garry Stahl <tesral at wowway.com>
Sender: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:23:30 
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list<mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20

gib at juno.com wrote:
> I just set up a time slot for a short discussion about Linux and the free software that comes with it.  I'll try to bring some blank CDs. 
>
> The MDLUG group has a table for building computers.
>   

Who is attending the Event?  I will be there.  I'll have one commuter we
can mess with and my laptop with the burn box.  I spent some time
updating anything that needed updating and found I didn't have Knoppix,
I fixed that.

For those not in the know it is the Canton Hack Day. 
http://www.cantonpl.org/tags/cpl-hack-day  We have a table at same to
show how computers are built and how to install Linux. 

The hours are from 1:00 to 5:00.  I would assume we need to be there a
bit early. 

NOTE:  We are on the front page as providing software.  We must attend. 
At least I must attend.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Those persons, or societies, easily offended need to be offended until they get over it.
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org

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From tesral at wowway.com  Wed Nov 17 12:18:05 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:18:05 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
In-Reply-To: <1911568194-1290007736-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-399062724-@bda786.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <20101114.125506.7019.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com><4CE3F372.7070503@wowway.com>
	<1911568194-1290007736-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-399062724-@bda786.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <4CE40E4D.2030601@wowway.com>

mat.enders at gmail.com wrote:
> We also may want to have the Open Disk on the burn box. It is a disk of Open Source Windows software. 
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>   
Get same to me and I shall add it.


-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Those persons, or societies, easily offended need to be offended until they get over it.
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From danno at umich.edu  Wed Nov 17 13:48:37 2010
From: danno at umich.edu (Dan Pritts)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:48:37 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinozokdvaYncGX5_7cH0XdYQaXFJLjfen4zgS7U@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1289322002.13972.mdlug@mdlug.org>
	<339827.96437.qm@web52705.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03705BA2C67@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<67046B41-500A-436D-92E4-40339989597F@umich.edu>
	<AANLkTinozokdvaYncGX5_7cH0XdYQaXFJLjfen4zgS7U@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F119A51F-54BE-4791-B94D-7A38CD7F86D5@umich.edu>


On Nov 15, 2010, at 11:53 AM, Michael Rudas wrote:
> Actually, in these days of multi-core processing, AC '97 and its
> hi-def successor are decent audio quality in AND out--but I still
> think a dedicated sound processor is better.  Why waste
> general-purpose computing power, when specialized hardware is SO much
> more efficient?

From what I've read, it's the noisy RF environment inside the chassis that is a bitch, really.  

As far as "wasting general-purpose compute power," though, I've got plenty to go around.  

From gib at juno.com  Wed Nov 17 14:02:43 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:02:43 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
Message-ID: <20101117.140243.29319.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com>

I plan to be there.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Garry Stahl <tesral at wowway.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:23:30 -0500

gib at juno.com wrote:
> I just set up a time slot for a short discussion about Linux and the free software that comes with it.  I'll try to bring some blank CDs. 
>
> The MDLUG group has a table for building computers.
>   

Who is attending the Event?  I will be there.  I'll have one commuter we
can mess with and my laptop with the burn box.  I spent some time
updating anything that needed updating and found I didn't have Knoppix,
I fixed that.

For those not in the know it is the Canton Hack Day. 
http://www.cantonpl.org/tags/cpl-hack-day  We have a table at same to
show how computers are built and how to install Linux. 

The hours are from 1:00 to 5:00.  I would assume we need to be there a
bit early. 

NOTE:  We are on the front page as providing software.  We must attend. 
At least I must attend.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Those persons, or societies, easily offended need to be offended until they get over it.
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org

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From tesral at wowway.com  Wed Nov 17 14:30:51 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:30:51 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
In-Reply-To: <20101117.140243.29319.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20101117.140243.29319.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4CE42D6B.8080203@wowway.com>

gib at juno.com wrote:
> I plan to be there.
>   

That is Two.


-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Those persons, or societies, easily offended need to be offended until they get over it.
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From tony at bemushosting.com  Wed Nov 17 18:19:38 2010
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:19:38 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
In-Reply-To: <4CE42D6B.8080203@wowway.com>
References: <20101117.140243.29319.0@webmail22.vgs.untd.com>
	<4CE42D6B.8080203@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <1290035978.1811.0.camel@bemus-tony>

My family move thanks giving dinner to that day,  Sorry guys but I wont
be able to make it.

Tony Bemus

-----Original Message-----
From: Garry Stahl <tesral at wowway.com>
Reply-to: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov
20
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:30:51 -0500

gib at juno.com wrote:
> I plan to be there.
>   

That is Two.





From gib at juno.com  Thu Nov 18 12:36:56 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:36:56 GMT
Subject: [mdlug]  MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
Message-ID: <20101118.123656.11112.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com>

 Sorry to hear that.  Enjoy the family. Any objection if I play the some of the videos from MDLUG of your presentations?

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:19:38 -0500

My family move thanks giving dinner to that day,  Sorry guys but I wont
be able to make it.

Tony Bemus

-----Original Message-----
From: Garry Stahl <tesral at wowway.com>
Reply-to: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov
20
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:30:51 -0500

gib at juno.com wrote:
> I plan to be there.
>   

That is Two.



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From fulner at gmail.com  Thu Nov 18 12:39:49 2010
From: fulner at gmail.com (Robert Jim Fulner)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:39:49 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day
Message-ID: <AANLkTinMDaag4uCX7b4b6Mi_MbjbBFx-BxDbAP6Z+Hv7@mail.gmail.com>

Tony:

I had no idea your family was related to President Roosevelt or the current
adminstration.
 --
Jim Fulner
The DetroitLibertyPenguin
Promoting Free Minds, Free Markets and Free Software
*and whenever possible Free Beer
*"For as long as one of your brothers is not free, none of you are free"
248-765-7458 (cell)
http://www.facebook.com/jim.fulner


====================================
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:19:38 -0500
From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day
      Nov 20
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Message-ID: <1290035978.1811.0.camel at bemus-tony>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

My family move thanks giving dinner to that day,  Sorry guys but I wont
be able to make it.

Tony Bemus


From tony at bemushosting.com  Thu Nov 18 17:28:21 2010
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:28:21 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
Message-ID: <0MD9hU-1PFt3n3KX6-00GeIT@mrelay.perfora.net>

Go ahead Gib, I would be honered.  

Tony Bemus
Sent from my smartphone

-----Original Message-----
From: gib at juno.com <gib at juno.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:36 PM
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: [mdlug]  MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20

 Sorry to hear that.  Enjoy the family. Any objection if I play the some of the videos from MDLUG of your presentations?

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:19:38 -0500

My family move thanks giving dinner to that day,  Sorry guys but I wont
be able to make it.

Tony Bemus

-----Original Message-----
From: Garry Stahl <tesral at wowway.com>
Reply-to: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov
20
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:30:51 -0500

gib at juno.com wrote:
> I plan to be there.
>   

That is Two.



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From tony at bemushosting.com  Thu Nov 18 17:30:07 2010
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:30:07 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day
Message-ID: <0LiD4F-1OfjZO15F5-00n3wI@mrelay.perfora.net>

Im not making the connection...

Tony Bemus
Sent from my smartphone

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Jim Fulner <fulner at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:39 PM
To: MDLUG <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day

Tony:

I had no idea your family was related to President Roosevelt or the current
adminstration.
 --
Jim Fulner
The DetroitLibertyPenguin
Promoting Free Minds, Free Markets and Free Software
*and whenever possible Free Beer
*"For as long as one of your brothers is not free, none of you are free"
248-765-7458 (cell)
http://www.facebook.com/jim.fulner


====================================
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:19:38 -0500
From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day
      Nov 20
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Message-ID: <1290035978.1811.0.camel at bemus-tony>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

My family move thanks giving dinner to that day,  Sorry guys but I wont
be able to make it.

Tony Bemus
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From rjclay at gmail.com  Thu Nov 18 16:27:03 2010
From: rjclay at gmail.com (Robert J. Clay)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:27:03 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day Nov 20
In-Reply-To: <4CE3F372.7070503@wowway.com>
References: <20101114.125506.7019.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>
	<4CE3F372.7070503@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=0ZTHb3ViY+ZgJMGhhZnP8NXYxYpxtisEmCozi@mail.gmail.com>

Garry,

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Garry Stahl <tesral at wowway.com> wrote:
> gib at juno.com wrote:
>> I just set up a time slot for a short discussion about Linux and the free software that comes with it. ?I'll try to bring some blank CDs.
>>
>> The MDLUG group has a table for building computers.
>>
>
> Who is attending the Event? ?I will be there.

     I'm currently planning to be there, though I'm not entirely sure
when I'll make it there...



-- 
R. J. Clay ('Jame')
rjclay at gmail.com


From tesral at wowway.com  Thu Nov 18 18:05:03 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:05:03 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] MDLUG to have demo table at the Canton Hack Day
In-Reply-To: <0LiD4F-1OfjZO15F5-00n3wI@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <0LiD4F-1OfjZO15F5-00n3wI@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <4CE5B11F.9000509@wowway.com>

Tony Bemus wrote:
> Im not making the connection...
>
>   

FDR tried moving Thanksgiving to lengthen the Christmas shopping season.
It went over line a lead balloon not made by the Mythbusters.


-- 
Garry AKA --Phoenix-- Rising above the Flames.

Those persons, or societies, easily offended need to be offended until
they get over it.
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org


From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 20 13:14:15 2010
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 13:14:15 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] My SEMCO SIG-Linux presentation (with links)
Message-ID: <AANLkTimPeS-JTASKURBXqA0d1zcjjAfcxSA01PO3Qb-c@mail.gmail.com>

I am posting this since I feel it may be of general interest (for the
links, if nothing else)--these discs are intended to be used as tools
on Windows and Mac systems, as well as Linux--and they are all free.
I plan on bringing copies of the CDs and a few DVDs with as many of
the current disc image ISOs as will fit on a single DVD.  If I get a
chance, I may also create an updated "Bart PE" Windows CD (or at least
discuss creating one at the meeting).

The November SEMCO SIG-Linux meeting will be on Tuesday, November 23
at 6:45 p.m. at i3Detroit. The i3Detroit facility is located at:
1481 Wordsworth, Ferndale, MI 48220
Their web site is http://www.i3detroit.org. i3Detroit is located south
of 9 Mile Road at the corner of Wanda and Wordsworth streets. Wanda
runs south roughly half way between Hilton and John R. There is a link
to a map of the location from either the i3Detroit web site or the
Meetings page on the SEMCO web site http://www.semco.org --  the
meeting is open to all who are interested.

Topic: "Tool Discs - The Ninjas of Linux"

SIG-Linux chairman Michael Rudas (that's ME!) will lead a discussion
and demonstration of live Linux-based tool discs for a variety of
purposes, including backup, system recovery, password management,
forensics, anti-virus, and more.  Most of these discs are intended for
use on both Linux and Windows systems. As I have said before, "trying
to fix Windows from within Windows is often like trying to do a valve
job on an engine while it's running." These discs allow users to "step
outside" Windows to get under the hood.  Specific CDs
will be discussed and demonstrated.

As part of my preparation for this presentation, I have now created a
"Links" page for the discs I will be discussing:
<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/opcc/links/01___Software_related_information_001198934133/04___Tool_Discs____Bootable_utility_CDs__001290177945>
(full link)
In case this gets mangled--or if you want to just type it in--here's a
TinyURL to the same page:
http://tinyurl.com/tool-cds
I am also writing an article for my "FaveSoft" blog, which I will
finish after the meeting so I can tweak it based on feedback.

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My software blog: http://FaveSoft.blogspot.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey


From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Tue Nov 23 08:41:09 2010
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 08:41:09 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Converting tapes
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinozokdvaYncGX5_7cH0XdYQaXFJLjfen4zgS7U@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1289322002.13972.mdlug@mdlug.org><339827.96437.qm@web52705.mail.re2.yahoo.com><319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03705BA2C67@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp><67046B41-500A-436D-92E4-40339989597F@umich.edu>
	<AANLkTinozokdvaYncGX5_7cH0XdYQaXFJLjfen4zgS7U@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B00364D1@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Michael Rudas

> Actually, in these days of multi-core processing, AC '97 and its
> hi-def successor are decent audio quality in AND out--but I still
> think a dedicated sound processor is better.  Why waste
> general-purpose computing power, when specialized hardware is SO much
> more efficient?

This helps quantify things:
http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/11/22/1931230

In their tests, CPU usage is negligible, but the hardware and drivers
for dedicated cards make for some differences in audio quality. Note,
however, that they don't seem to test *input* fidelity at all.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                             (313) 227-2317

  "We've got no place in this outfit for good losers.
  We want tough hombres who will go in there and win!"
            - Admiral Jonas Ingram, 1926

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From radkins at impelind.com  Fri Nov 26 15:27:23 2010
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 15:27:23 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
Message-ID: <81FAD0AD81034242AE98E00C1DF5577A@Delta7>

We recently upgraded the DSL service at the office to essentially twice as
fast as it used to be. Unfortunately, our older DSL Router isn't capable of
going that fast. Luckily, they sent us a new one... and it is a POS. It is
incpabable of performing half the routing/firewalling of the older/slower
router.
 
For example, I need only our email server and two other internal IP
Addresses to have "direct" access to the Internet and all other systems to
be forced into going through the proxy server. The options on the new
Netopia router include allowing me to point external ports to internal
addresses, but otherwise everything on the inside has full, direct (and
speedy!) access to the wild, wild, west.
 
Here's my thoughts:
 
1. Pickup a good Cable Internet Router that can be upgraded with dd-wrt or
OpenWrt
 
2. Replace the firmware with one of the above mentioned types.
 
3. Place the Upgraded Cable Modem in between the network and the Netopia
POS, configure the routing we need and away we go.
 
Is this is an easily workable plan? 
 
Thanks,
Rob


From mat.enders at gmail.com  Fri Nov 26 15:44:04 2010
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 20:44:04 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
In-Reply-To: <81FAD0AD81034242AE98E00C1DF5577A@Delta7>
References: <81FAD0AD81034242AE98E00C1DF5577A@Delta7>
Message-ID: <335761237-1290804242-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-663234445-@bda786.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

That is the consumer grade OS. It uses a web interface and is pretty limited. However Netopia will usually sell you an upgrade to the OS for about $100US that you can then flash onto your device. This OS does not use a web interface it is strictly ssh and command line but is very feature rich. Before you buy the upgrade you should talk to a Netopia rep or check their website to ensure it will do what you need. 
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com>
Sender: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 15:27:23 
To: 'MDLUG's Main discussion list'<mdlug at mdlug.org>
Reply-To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions

We recently upgraded the DSL service at the office to essentially twice as
fast as it used to be. Unfortunately, our older DSL Router isn't capable of
going that fast. Luckily, they sent us a new one... and it is a POS. It is
incpabable of performing half the routing/firewalling of the older/slower
router.
 
For example, I need only our email server and two other internal IP
Addresses to have "direct" access to the Internet and all other systems to
be forced into going through the proxy server. The options on the new
Netopia router include allowing me to point external ports to internal
addresses, but otherwise everything on the inside has full, direct (and
speedy!) access to the wild, wild, west.
 
Here's my thoughts:
 
1. Pickup a good Cable Internet Router that can be upgraded with dd-wrt or
OpenWrt
 
2. Replace the firmware with one of the above mentioned types.
 
3. Place the Upgraded Cable Modem in between the network and the Netopia
POS, configure the routing we need and away we go.
 
Is this is an easily workable plan? 
 
Thanks,
Rob
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug

From petertheplumber at att.net  Sat Nov 27 08:52:54 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 08:52:54 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
In-Reply-To: <81FAD0AD81034242AE98E00C1DF5577A@Delta7>
References: <81FAD0AD81034242AE98E00C1DF5577A@Delta7>
Message-ID: <1290865974.4499.1697.camel@plumber-notebook.site>

On Fri, 2010-11-26 at 15:27 -0500, Robert Adkins II wrote:
> We recently upgraded the DSL service at the office to essentially twice as
> fast as it used to be. Unfortunately, our older DSL Router isn't capable of
> going that fast. Luckily, they sent us a new one... and it is a POS. It is
> incpabable of performing half the routing/firewalling of the older/slower
> router.
>  
> For example, I need only our email server and two other internal IP
> Addresses to have "direct" access to the Internet and all other systems to
> be forced into going through the proxy server. The options on the new
> Netopia router include allowing me to point external ports to internal
> addresses, but otherwise everything on the inside has full, direct (and
> speedy!) access to the wild, wild, west.
>  
> Here's my thoughts:
>  
> 1. Pickup a good Cable Internet Router that can be upgraded with dd-wrt or
> OpenWrt
>  
> 2. Replace the firmware with one of the above mentioned types.
>  
> 3. Place the Upgraded Cable Modem in between the network and the Netopia
> POS, configure the routing we need and away we go.
>  
> Is this is an easily workable plan? 
>  
> Thanks,
> Rob

Rob,
	If you decide to go with dd-wrt, Buffalo sells wifi routers w/dd-wrt
installed.
<http://www.buffalotech.com/products/wireless/routers-and-access-points/>
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From petertheplumber at att.net  Sat Nov 27 09:00:25 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 09:00:25 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
In-Reply-To: <1290865974.4499.1697.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
References: <81FAD0AD81034242AE98E00C1DF5577A@Delta7>
	<1290865974.4499.1697.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
Message-ID: <1290866425.4499.1706.camel@plumber-notebook.site>

On Sat, 2010-11-27 at 08:52 -0500, Peter Bart wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-11-26 at 15:27 -0500, Robert Adkins II wrote:
> > We recently upgraded the DSL service at the office to essentially twice as
> > fast as it used to be. Unfortunately, our older DSL Router isn't capable of
> > going that fast. Luckily, they sent us a new one... and it is a POS. It is
> > incpabable of performing half the routing/firewalling of the older/slower
> > router.
> >  
> > For example, I need only our email server and two other internal IP
> > Addresses to have "direct" access to the Internet and all other systems to
> > be forced into going through the proxy server. The options on the new
> > Netopia router include allowing me to point external ports to internal
> > addresses, but otherwise everything on the inside has full, direct (and
> > speedy!) access to the wild, wild, west.
> >  
> > Here's my thoughts:
> >  
> > 1. Pickup a good Cable Internet Router that can be upgraded with dd-wrt or
> > OpenWrt
> >  
> > 2. Replace the firmware with one of the above mentioned types.
> >  
> > 3. Place the Upgraded Cable Modem in between the network and the Netopia
> > POS, configure the routing we need and away we go.
> >  
> > Is this is an easily workable plan? 
> >  
> > Thanks,
> > Rob
> 
> Rob,
> 	If you decide to go with dd-wrt, Buffalo sells wifi routers w/dd-wrt
> installed.
> <http://www.buffalotech.com/products/wireless/routers-and-access-points/>

	Although on second thought I might not go this way. Almost as many
negative reviews as positive on Amazon
<http://www.amazon.com/Buffalo-Technology-Nfiniti-Wireless-N-WZR-HP-G300NH/product-reviews/B0028ACYEK/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1>
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From danno at umich.edu  Sat Nov 27 10:45:36 2010
From: danno at umich.edu (Dan Pritts)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 10:45:36 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
In-Reply-To: <81FAD0AD81034242AE98E00C1DF5577A@Delta7>
References: <81FAD0AD81034242AE98E00C1DF5577A@Delta7>
Message-ID: <CB6DD0E0-91D3-4C21-9C48-D8AD067BBAEC@umich.edu>

I've had limited but very good experience with DD-WRT.  If your new router supports it that would be my first shot. 

Another option, of course, would be to take an old box and make it a router. I know there are various firewall and routing-oriented distributions, or you can just use whatever distro you're comfortable with and deal with it from the command line.

If you do go this route, and uptime is important, make sure you have another old box ready to go if the box croaks.  

On Nov 26, 2010, at 3:27 PM, Robert Adkins II wrote:

> We recently upgraded the DSL service at the office to essentially twice as
> fast as it used to be. Unfortunately, our older DSL Router isn't capable of
> going that fast. Luckily, they sent us a new one... and it is a POS. It is
> incpabable of performing half the routing/firewalling of the older/slower
> router.
> 
> For example, I need only our email server and two other internal IP
> Addresses to have "direct" access to the Internet and all other systems to
> be forced into going through the proxy server. The options on the new
> Netopia router include allowing me to point external ports to internal
> addresses, but otherwise everything on the inside has full, direct (and
> speedy!) access to the wild, wild, west.
> 
> Here's my thoughts:
> 
> 1. Pickup a good Cable Internet Router that can be upgraded with dd-wrt or
> OpenWrt
> 
> 2. Replace the firmware with one of the above mentioned types.
> 
> 3. Place the Upgraded Cable Modem in between the network and the Netopia
> POS, configure the routing we need and away we go.
> 
> Is this is an easily workable plan? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Rob
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From radkins at impelind.com  Mon Nov 29 08:29:04 2010
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 08:29:04 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
In-Reply-To: <CB6DD0E0-91D3-4C21-9C48-D8AD067BBAEC@umich.edu>
References: <81FAD0AD81034242AE98E00C1DF5577A@Delta7>
	<CB6DD0E0-91D3-4C21-9C48-D8AD067BBAEC@umich.edu>
Message-ID: <D1BF0074D65D4B1E85911A730385BBB5@Delta7>

  Dan,

	I have many old boxes laying around that I could do this with.

	The reason I am not going this route is specifically the reasons you
mention regarding uptime. I don't have time to build two or three machines
for the same task and then build/rebuild another whole system if/when one
fails.

	-Rob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Dan Pritts
> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 10:46 AM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
> 
> I've had limited but very good experience with DD-WRT.  If 
> your new router supports it that would be my first shot. 
> 
> Another option, of course, would be to take an old box and 
> make it a router. I know there are various firewall and 
> routing-oriented distributions, or you can just use whatever 
> distro you're comfortable with and deal with it from the command line.
> 
> If you do go this route, and uptime is important, make sure 
> you have another old box ready to go if the box croaks.  
> 
> On Nov 26, 2010, at 3:27 PM, Robert Adkins II wrote:
> 
> > We recently upgraded the DSL service at the office to essentially 
> > twice as fast as it used to be. Unfortunately, our older DSL Router 
> > isn't capable of going that fast. Luckily, they sent us a 
> new one... 
> > and it is a POS. It is incpabable of performing half the 
> > routing/firewalling of the older/slower router.
> > 
> > For example, I need only our email server and two other internal IP 
> > Addresses to have "direct" access to the Internet and all other 
> > systems to be forced into going through the proxy server. 
> The options 
> > on the new Netopia router include allowing me to point 
> external ports 
> > to internal addresses, but otherwise everything on the inside has 
> > full, direct (and
> > speedy!) access to the wild, wild, west.
> > 
> > Here's my thoughts:
> > 
> > 1. Pickup a good Cable Internet Router that can be upgraded with 
> > dd-wrt or OpenWrt
> > 
> > 2. Replace the firmware with one of the above mentioned types.
> > 
> > 3. Place the Upgraded Cable Modem in between the network and the 
> > Netopia POS, configure the routing we need and away we go.
> > 
> > Is this is an easily workable plan? 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Rob
> > _______________________________________________
> > mdlug mailing list
> > mdlug at mdlug.org
> > http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> 
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> 



From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Mon Nov 29 09:03:56 2010
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 09:03:56 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] OT: PC2100 DIMMs?
Message-ID: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B00365C6@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

I'm trying to Frankenstein together a computer for my kids. I've got a
2GHz P4 system, should be decent, but only one DIMM that works in it -
and it's only 128MB. I'm hoping someone on the list has some PC2100
DIMMS they don't need any more. The machine only has two memory slots,
so that's all I'd need. I'm hoping to get it boosted to a GB or so,
ideally.

I can offer two 512MB PC2700 ECC DIMMs in exchange. They don't work in
that machine, but should work in a suitable motherboard.

Thanks for any help or suggestions.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                     (313) 227-2317

 "When your [profit] margins are more sensitive to Bill Gates'
    pricing whims than they are the price of oil, that's an
       untenable position for a large company to be in."
      -- John Chapman Sr., BP Amoco Technology Executive

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From radkins at impelind.com  Mon Nov 29 09:06:57 2010
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 09:06:57 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
In-Reply-To: <335761237-1290804242-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-663234445-@bda786.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <81FAD0AD81034242AE98E00C1DF5577A@Delta7>
	<335761237-1290804242-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-663234445-@bda786.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <86AC9CB38E164C7F91E3811B282D4BAE@Delta7>

I have looked through it, Netopia specifically states that any questions
regarding this router needs to be sent to AT&T, they won't do anything
regarding offering support or software upgrades and AT&T is saying to talk
to Netopia.

-Rob
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of mat.enders at gmail.com
> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 3:44 PM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
> 
> That is the consumer grade OS. It uses a web interface and is 
> pretty limited. However Netopia will usually sell you an 
> upgrade to the OS for about $100US that you can then flash 
> onto your device. This OS does not use a web interface it is 
> strictly ssh and command line but is very feature rich. 
> Before you buy the upgrade you should talk to a Netopia rep 
> or check their website to ensure it will do what you need. 
> Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com>
> Sender: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 15:27:23
> To: 'MDLUG's Main discussion list'<mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Reply-To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
> 
> We recently upgraded the DSL service at the office to 
> essentially twice as fast as it used to be. Unfortunately, 
> our older DSL Router isn't capable of going that fast. 
> Luckily, they sent us a new one... and it is a POS. It is 
> incpabable of performing half the routing/firewalling of the 
> older/slower router.
>  
> For example, I need only our email server and two other 
> internal IP Addresses to have "direct" access to the Internet 
> and all other systems to be forced into going through the 
> proxy server. The options on the new Netopia router include 
> allowing me to point external ports to internal addresses, 
> but otherwise everything on the inside has full, direct (and
> speedy!) access to the wild, wild, west.
>  
> Here's my thoughts:
>  
> 1. Pickup a good Cable Internet Router that can be upgraded 
> with dd-wrt or OpenWrt
>  
> 2. Replace the firmware with one of the above mentioned types.
>  
> 3. Place the Upgraded Cable Modem in between the network and 
> the Netopia POS, configure the routing we need and away we go.
>  
> Is this is an easily workable plan? 
>  
> Thanks,
> Rob
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> 



From mat.enders at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 09:17:55 2010
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 14:17:55 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
In-Reply-To: <86AC9CB38E164C7F91E3811B282D4BAE@Delta7>
References: <81FAD0AD81034242AE98E00C1DF5577A@Delta7>
	<335761237-1290804242-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-663234445-@bda786.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><86AC9CB38E164C7F91E3811B282D4BAE@Delta7>
Message-ID: <1769153527-1291040277-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1643682886-@bda786.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I do not know the model # and I do not know off hand the model #s of the 2 different ones I have done this to for customers. One with a wired only Netopia and one with a wireless version.  
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 09:06:57 
To: <mat.enders at gmail.com>; 'MDLUG's Main discussion list'<mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: RE: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions

I have looked through it, Netopia specifically states that any questions
regarding this router needs to be sent to AT&T, they won't do anything
regarding offering support or software upgrades and AT&T is saying to talk
to Netopia.

-Rob
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of mat.enders at gmail.com
> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 3:44 PM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
> 
> That is the consumer grade OS. It uses a web interface and is 
> pretty limited. However Netopia will usually sell you an 
> upgrade to the OS for about $100US that you can then flash 
> onto your device. This OS does not use a web interface it is 
> strictly ssh and command line but is very feature rich. 
> Before you buy the upgrade you should talk to a Netopia rep 
> or check their website to ensure it will do what you need. 
> Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com>
> Sender: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 15:27:23
> To: 'MDLUG's Main discussion list'<mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Reply-To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
> 
> We recently upgraded the DSL service at the office to 
> essentially twice as fast as it used to be. Unfortunately, 
> our older DSL Router isn't capable of going that fast. 
> Luckily, they sent us a new one... and it is a POS. It is 
> incpabable of performing half the routing/firewalling of the 
> older/slower router.
>  
> For example, I need only our email server and two other 
> internal IP Addresses to have "direct" access to the Internet 
> and all other systems to be forced into going through the 
> proxy server. The options on the new Netopia router include 
> allowing me to point external ports to internal addresses, 
> but otherwise everything on the inside has full, direct (and
> speedy!) access to the wild, wild, west.
>  
> Here's my thoughts:
>  
> 1. Pickup a good Cable Internet Router that can be upgraded 
> with dd-wrt or OpenWrt
>  
> 2. Replace the firmware with one of the above mentioned types.
>  
> 3. Place the Upgraded Cable Modem in between the network and 
> the Netopia POS, configure the routing we need and away we go.
>  
> Is this is an easily workable plan? 
>  
> Thanks,
> Rob
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> 


From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 15:43:18 2010
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:43:18 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] OT: PC2100 DIMMs?
In-Reply-To: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B00365C6@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B00365C6@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <4CF41066.7000108@gmail.com>

Ingles, Raymond wrote:
> I'm trying to Frankenstein together a computer for my kids. I've got a
> 2GHz P4 system, should be decent, but only one DIMM that works in it -
> and it's only 128MB. I'm hoping someone on the list has some PC2100
> DIMMS they don't need any more. The machine only has two memory slots,
> so that's all I'd need. I'm hoping to get it boosted to a GB or so,
> ideally.
> 
> I can offer two 512MB PC2700 ECC DIMMs in exchange. They don't work in
> that machine, but should work in a suitable motherboard.
> 
> Thanks for any help or suggestions.
> 

I can get you some, but not immediately.  They are up
in Flint at a friend's house.

>  Sincerely,
> 
>  Ray Ingles                                     (313) 227-2317
> 
>  "When your [profit] margins are more sensitive to Bill Gates'
>     pricing whims than they are the price of oil, that's an
>        untenable position for a large company to be in."
>       -- John Chapman Sr., BP Amoco Technology Executive
> 
> The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 15:51:38 2010
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:51:38 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
In-Reply-To: <86AC9CB38E164C7F91E3811B282D4BAE@Delta7>
References: <81FAD0AD81034242AE98E00C1DF5577A@Delta7>	<335761237-1290804242-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-663234445-@bda786.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<86AC9CB38E164C7F91E3811B282D4BAE@Delta7>
Message-ID: <4CF4125A.4010703@gmail.com>

Robert Adkins II wrote:
> I have looked through it, Netopia specifically states that any questions
> regarding this router needs to be sent to AT&T, they won't do anything
> regarding offering support or software upgrades and AT&T is saying to talk
> to Netopia.
> 

Money talks.  You call up AT&T, and point out to them that
the included literature SPECIFICALLY STATES to call AT&T, not
Netopia... and that if they don't want to handle your problem,
then get things sorted out with AT&T, or they will lose your
account -- and if you don't receive answers from either
AT&T or Netopia, then your business will be on a new ISP
by the end of the week, and you will NOT be paying for any
service past that date, because their lack of proper support
for the system they are distributing constitutes breach
of contract -- and if they think otherwise, have fun getting
a jury to agree with them.


From radkins at impelind.com  Mon Nov 29 15:56:56 2010
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:56:56 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
In-Reply-To: <4CF4125A.4010703@gmail.com>
References: <81FAD0AD81034242AE98E00C1DF5577A@Delta7>	<335761237-1290804242-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-663234445-@bda786.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><86AC9CB38E164C7F91E3811B282D4BAE@Delta7>
	<4CF4125A.4010703@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8E52048894FF4592AF137B5D7F4CC8EA@Delta7>

If I lived in a world with unlimited time and resources, this would be a
great course of action to take.

Alas, I live in a world wherein my resources are limited and a minute wasted
is a minute gone for good. Thus, it's quicker and a little less costly to
just work around the damnable limitations.

-Rob
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Kulkis
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 3:52 PM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
> 
> Robert Adkins II wrote:
> > I have looked through it, Netopia specifically states that any 
> > questions regarding this router needs to be sent to AT&T, 
> they won't 
> > do anything regarding offering support or software upgrades 
> and AT&T 
> > is saying to talk to Netopia.
> > 
> 
> Money talks.  You call up AT&T, and point out to them that 
> the included literature SPECIFICALLY STATES to call AT&T, not 
> Netopia... and that if they don't want to handle your 
> problem, then get things sorted out with AT&T, or they will 
> lose your account -- and if you don't receive answers from 
> either AT&T or Netopia, then your business will be on a new 
> ISP by the end of the week, and you will NOT be paying for 
> any service past that date, because their lack of proper 
> support for the system they are distributing constitutes 
> breach of contract -- and if they think otherwise, have fun 
> getting a jury to agree with them.
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From mrorourke at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 29 22:54:52 2010
From: mrorourke at earthlink.net (Michael ORourke)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:54:52 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] pam_mkhomedir and NFS mounted home dirs
Message-ID: <C5840664FDFB4E6983BC5C093E464974@homepc>

Lug Nuts,

While setting up a LDAP server to authenticate user accounts, I decided to 
try and add a centralized NFS /home server too.  But when I added the 
pam_mkhomedir directive to the  /etc/pam.d/system-auth-ac file, the nfs 
mounted home dirs would get created as user nobody, which caused the 
directory to not be writeable by the user.  After a bit of digging, I found 
that if I changed the exported home filesystem attributes from root_squash 
to no_root_squash, then the home dir would get created with the correct 
ownership and the user could now write to their home directory.  However, 
for security reasons it is recommended that you do not mount the home 
directories with no_root_squash.  So my other work around was to not use 
pam_mkhomedir and just create the home directories on the nfs server at the 
same time I add an account in LDAP.
I'm curious if anyone else has run into this problem before?

-Mike 




From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Tue Nov 30 00:24:12 2010
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 00:24:12 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] pam_mkhomedir and NFS mounted home dirs
In-Reply-To: <C5840664FDFB4E6983BC5C093E464974@homepc>
References: <C5840664FDFB4E6983BC5C093E464974@homepc>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikA99WRbTxYwh6uJKYaqwq-YHdK6JfGKyucBHYV@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Michael ORourke
<mrorourke at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Lug Nuts,
>
> While setting up a LDAP server to authenticate user accounts, I decided to
> try and add a centralized NFS /home server too. ?But when I added the
> pam_mkhomedir directive to the ?/etc/pam.d/system-auth-ac file, the nfs
> mounted home dirs would get created as user nobody, which caused the
> directory to not be writeable by the user. ?After a bit of digging, I found
> that if I changed the exported home filesystem attributes from root_squash
> to no_root_squash, then the home dir would get created with the correct
> ownership and the user could now write to their home directory. ?However,
> for security reasons it is recommended that you do not mount the home
> directories with no_root_squash. ?So my other work around was to not use
> pam_mkhomedir and just create the home directories on the nfs server at the
> same time I add an account in LDAP.
> I'm curious if anyone else has run into this problem before?
>

I think the issue with no_root_squash is that it is easy for anyone to
become root on another PC and connect as such to the export with the
default authentication (IP/UID).  They could just as easily connect as
an allowed UID and cause just as much damage unless everything is
root-owned non-writable.  If you are restricting it to use some real
authentication then it's not a problem.

On Ubuntu 9.10 with an 9.04 server I'm using root_squash for
everything except a tftp server root and /export pseudo-fs.  I've got
everything explicitly exported on separate dirs but that's probably
unnecessary with /export.  I'm just using libpam-mount on the client
to mount everything at login.

To verify what the exports are actually using check /var/lib/nfs/etab
as this will include the defaults assumed.


From mrorourke at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 30 12:37:48 2010
From: mrorourke at earthlink.net (Michael ORourke)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:37:48 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] pam_mkhomedir and NFS mounted home dirs
References: <C5840664FDFB4E6983BC5C093E464974@homepc>
	<AANLkTikA99WRbTxYwh6uJKYaqwq-YHdK6JfGKyucBHYV@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6676703FFF304D47BD5CF9A2DD1B3488@homepc>

After doing some more digging, I found a reference on CentOS' web site that 
basically says to use pam_mkhomedir for non-centralized home dirs.  For the 
amount of home dirs that I need to share out from a centralized NFS server, 
I think I would be better off just creating the directories manually.  Maybe 
look into automounting /home instead.

-Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Hanson" <jhansonxi at gmail.com>
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] pam_mkhomedir and NFS mounted home dirs


On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Michael ORourke
<mrorourke at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Lug Nuts,
>
> While setting up a LDAP server to authenticate user accounts, I decided to
> try and add a centralized NFS /home server too. But when I added the
> pam_mkhomedir directive to the /etc/pam.d/system-auth-ac file, the nfs
> mounted home dirs would get created as user nobody, which caused the
> directory to not be writeable by the user. After a bit of digging, I found
> that if I changed the exported home filesystem attributes from root_squash
> to no_root_squash, then the home dir would get created with the correct
> ownership and the user could now write to their home directory. However,
> for security reasons it is recommended that you do not mount the home
> directories with no_root_squash. So my other work around was to not use
> pam_mkhomedir and just create the home directories on the nfs server at 
> the
> same time I add an account in LDAP.
> I'm curious if anyone else has run into this problem before?
>

I think the issue with no_root_squash is that it is easy for anyone to
become root on another PC and connect as such to the export with the
default authentication (IP/UID).  They could just as easily connect as
an allowed UID and cause just as much damage unless everything is
root-owned non-writable.  If you are restricting it to use some real
authentication then it's not a problem.

On Ubuntu 9.10 with an 9.04 server I'm using root_squash for
everything except a tftp server root and /export pseudo-fs.  I've got
everything explicitly exported on separate dirs but that's probably
unnecessary with /export.  I'm just using libpam-mount on the client
to mount everything at login.

To verify what the exports are actually using check /var/lib/nfs/etab
as this will include the defaults assumed.
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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Tue Nov 30 13:23:00 2010
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:23:00 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] OT: PC2100 DIMMs?
In-Reply-To: <4CF41066.7000108@gmail.com>
References: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B00365C6@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<4CF41066.7000108@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50F4BFBDC6001340B94E13C70E39F9B00B2A76@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Aaron Kulkis


> I can get you some, but not immediately.  They are up
> in Flint at a friend's house.

 Thanks, that'd be great! There's no rush. At least, *I* don't think so.
Our ten-year-old, though... :)

 Sincerely,

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From mark at aufdencamp.com  Tue Nov 30 14:59:45 2010
From: mark at aufdencamp.com (Mark Aufdencamp)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:59:45 -0700
Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
Message-ID: <20101130125945.181451e9c2a7ebbcd6ae28cea81146c8.543cb7d81d.wbe@email13.secureserver.net>

I've used the Netopia DSL router line supplied by AT&T.  Specifically, a
3346N and a couple similar models with WIFI at clients.  I initially had
the same perspective that it was a POS, but learned to live with it and
was quite happy.  Presuming you have a small subnet, these routers do a
decent job as a CPE edge device.  

It's important to view this as an access router and not try to implement
functionality that belongs on interior security devices. I've passed
static IP's through them to Ubuntu, RedHat, and Windows servers.  It's
much better to rely on the server firewall which you control, than the
CPE from a carrier that may be updated and messed with by the carrier. 
Keep a good perspective of the separation of duties and let the vendor
equipment do its transport thing and your gear perform its security
function.

You'll actually find a decent firewall and SNMP management on the
Netopia's.  I utilize MRTG with SNMP to graph the Netopia's traffic and
Nagios to monitor the Netopia and it's next Hop router.

As for AT&T, I won't use them as a vendor after my last few battles. 
Save you time and don't bother with their support nightmare.  They
always want to escalate to paid support, or send out a wiring tech, when
they mess up the circuit or routing with an upgrade!  

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [mdlug] Routing Situation - Suggestions/Opinions
> From: "Robert Adkins II" <radkins at impelind.com>
> Date: Fri, November 26, 2010 3:27 pm
> To: "'MDLUG's Main discussion list'" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
> 
> 
> We recently upgraded the DSL service at the office to essentially twice as
> fast as it used to be. Unfortunately, our older DSL Router isn't capable of
> going that fast. Luckily, they sent us a new one... and it is a POS. It is
> incpabable of performing half the routing/firewalling of the older/slower
> router.
>  
> For example, I need only our email server and two other internal IP
> Addresses to have "direct" access to the Internet and all other systems to
> be forced into going through the proxy server. The options on the new
> Netopia router include allowing me to point external ports to internal
> addresses, but otherwise everything on the inside has full, direct (and
> speedy!) access to the wild, wild, west.
>  
> Here's my thoughts:
>  
> 1. Pickup a good Cable Internet Router that can be upgraded with dd-wrt or
> OpenWrt
>  
> 2. Replace the firmware with one of the above mentioned types.
>  
> 3. Place the Upgraded Cable Modem in between the network and the Netopia
> POS, configure the routing we need and away we go.
>  
> Is this is an easily workable plan? 
>  
> Thanks,
> Rob
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