From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  5 11:06:04 2010
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 08:06:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [mdlug] NOVELL buy out ???
Message-ID: <751997.62629.qm@web37908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

http://www.zacks.com/stock/news/31293/Zacks+Analyst+Blog+Highlights%3A+Novell%2C+Inc.%2C+J.P.+Morgan%2C+Hewlett-Packard+Company%2C+International+Business+Machines+and+SAP+AG+-+Press+Releases


      

From devanhoe at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 17:09:22 2010
From: devanhoe at gmail.com (Dennis VanHoey)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 17:09:22 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] NOVELL buy out ???
In-Reply-To: <751997.62629.qm@web37908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <751997.62629.qm@web37908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <615fa0ed1003051409l6f0dab9bua6ba64dc070b7cf3@mail.gmail.com>

Expect the Novell linux division to be sold off.

"Elliot Associates is best known as a 'vulture
fund<http://128.255.56.99/ifdebook/faq/Vulture.shtml>.'
They don't make investments to turn companies around. They make investments
to crush the cash out of them and then leave the picked over bones for
someone else to pick up."  -
http://blogs.computerworld.com/15688/elliot_associates_worrisome_novell_plans


On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:06 AM, David Lane <dcl400m at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> http://www.zacks.com/stock/news/31293/Zacks+Analyst+Blog+Highlights%3A+Novell%2C+Inc.%2C+J.P.+Morgan%2C+Hewlett-Packard+Company%2C+International+Business+Machines+and+SAP+AG+-+Press+Releases
>
>
>
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From carl at carltm.com  Sat Mar  6 06:38:31 2010
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 06:38:31 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] latest Debian iso files?
Message-ID: <508391ff78bcd3e704314279eb35775f.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Does anyone have the latest Debian dvds or iso files?
I need to get them more quickly than I can download
them, and hope I might be able to get them from someone
in the club.

Gary, if you have them, can I bribe you to burn me a
copy and stop by to pick them up?

c




From tesral at wowway.com  Sat Mar  6 11:13:20 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 11:13:20 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] latest Debian iso files?
In-Reply-To: <508391ff78bcd3e704314279eb35775f.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <508391ff78bcd3e704314279eb35775f.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <4B927F20.6080206@wowway.com>

Carl T. Miller wrote:
> Does anyone have the latest Debian dvds or iso files?
> I need to get them more quickly than I can download
> them, and hope I might be able to get them from someone
> in the club.
>
> Gary, if you have them, can I bribe you to burn me a
> copy and stop by to pick them up?
>
>   

What is the latest one?  I try to keep up on these things.  I'll have to
crank up the laptop and see.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it -- and stop there -- lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove-lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove-lid again, and that is well; but also she will never sit down on a cold one any more. -Mark Twain
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  8 08:35:38 2010
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 05:35:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [mdlug] NOVELL buy out ???
In-Reply-To: <615fa0ed1003051409l6f0dab9bua6ba64dc070b7cf3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <751997.62629.qm@web37908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<615fa0ed1003051409l6f0dab9bua6ba64dc070b7cf3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <386180.2054.qm@web37908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Is this why we did not get a boxed version of Suse 11.2?

David C. Lane 




________________________________
From: Dennis VanHoey <devanhoe at gmail.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Fri, March 5, 2010 5:09:22 PM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] NOVELL buy out ???

Expect the Novell linux division to be sold off.

"Elliot Associates is best known as a 'vulture
fund<http://128.255.56.99/ifdebook/faq/Vulture.shtml>.'
They don't make investments to turn companies around. They make investments
to crush the cash out of them and then leave the picked over bones for
someone else to pick up."? -
http://blogs.computerworld.com/15688/elliot_associates_worrisome_novell_plans


On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:06 AM, David Lane <dcl400m at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> http://www.zacks.com/stock/news/31293/Zacks+Analyst+Blog+Highlights%3A+Novell%2C+Inc.%2C+J.P.+Morgan%2C+Hewlett-Packard+Company%2C+International+Business+Machines+and+SAP+AG+-+Press+Releases
>
>
>
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> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>
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From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Mon Mar  8 13:42:55 2010
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 13:42:55 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Popular Science magazine archive online
Message-ID: <b02c40e91003081042x325872b0t107fffaa1ca01524@mail.gmail.com>

Another resource brought to you by those evil Google people :D
http://www.popsci.com/archives


From skyefire at skyefire.org  Wed Mar 10 11:59:21 2010
From: skyefire at skyefire.org (David McMillan)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:59:21 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Android
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e91003081042x325872b0t107fffaa1ca01524@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b02c40e91003081042x325872b0t107fffaa1ca01524@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B97CFE9.4090301@skyefire.org>

On 3/8/2010 1:42 PM, Jeff Hanson wrote:

> Another resource brought to you by those evil Google people :D
> http://www.popsci.com/archives

	Speaking of those "Evil Google People" (stick 'em up! This is a thread 
hijack!), does anyone have a good handle on just how locked up, or not, 
the Android phones are?  I've been wanting to get one, but I'm on AT&T 
and their first Android phone appears to have been deliberately 
I-Phone'd in order to avoid The Wrath of Apple.  I'm wondering if it's 
worth going after an unlocked Android to stick my SIM card into, or how 
effectively one can "jailbreak" a vendor-crippled Android.




From muteid10t at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 13:18:39 2010
From: muteid10t at gmail.com (Ron Blanchett)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:18:39 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Android
In-Reply-To: <4B97CFE9.4090301@skyefire.org>
References: <b02c40e91003081042x325872b0t107fffaa1ca01524@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B97CFE9.4090301@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <52995d721003101018w4d38f680k2f918a9c8d0657e4@mail.gmail.com>

I have the Moto Droid on VZW and I rooted the phone in the first few weeks
of having it.
It isn't all that easy for the phone companies to lock the android platform
from user modification.
I even have tethering on my Droid even though VZW doesn't support it for my
phone.

What you would have to worry about it cross carrier compatibility, i.e. ATT
& T-mobile.
If you take a T-Mo phone to ATT and vise-versa you will only have 2g
coverage as the 3g signal frequencies are different between the two.




On 3/10/10, David McMillan <skyefire at skyefire.org> wrote:
>
> On 3/8/2010 1:42 PM, Jeff Hanson wrote:
>
> > Another resource brought to you by those evil Google people :D
> > http://www.popsci.com/archives
>
>         Speaking of those "Evil Google People" (stick 'em up! This is a
> thread
> hijack!), does anyone have a good handle on just how locked up, or not,
> the Android phones are?  I've been wanting to get one, but I'm on AT&T
> and their first Android phone appears to have been deliberately
> I-Phone'd in order to avoid The Wrath of Apple.  I'm wondering if it's
> worth going after an unlocked Android to stick my SIM card into, or how
> effectively one can "jailbreak" a vendor-crippled Android.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>



-- 
-Ron

"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within
what you are trying to defend from without." -- President Dwight Eisenhower


From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Wed Mar 10 13:33:11 2010
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:33:11 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Android
In-Reply-To: <4B97CFE9.4090301@skyefire.org>
References: <b02c40e91003081042x325872b0t107fffaa1ca01524@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B97CFE9.4090301@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370492AC3A@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: David McMillan

> 	Speaking of those "Evil Google People" (stick 'em up! This is a
thread
> hijack!), does anyone have a good handle on just how locked up, or
not,
> the Android phones are?  I've been wanting to get one, but I'm on AT&T
> and their first Android phone appears to have been deliberately
> I-Phone'd in order to avoid The Wrath of Apple.  I'm wondering if it's
> worth going after an unlocked Android to stick my SIM card into, or
how
> effectively one can "jailbreak" a vendor-crippled Android.

 The Droid uses CDMA, so (as I understand it), it won't work with AT&T's
GSM network. However, the "Milestone" is the GSM version. Again as I
understand it, the only difference hardware or software-wise is that the
Droid comes with a 16GB microSD card and the Milestone comes with an 8GB
card.

 The Droid phones are more open than Apple's offerings, though not
*quite* as open as I'd like. I'm hoping to get one shortly. From my
developer's perspective, not having to buy a Mac or pay $100 for the
SDK, or get things signed by some company to install them, is a huge
difference. For a non-developer, this may or may not be important.
Something few people would care about, but I'm looking forward to
playing with, is enabling "USB host mode" on the Droid.
(http://www.tombom.co.uk/blog/?p=124) Then you could plug in things like
keyboards, joysticks, webcams, or all those other USB doohickeys...

 Stock Droids don't actually give you full control over the system,
though. You can essentially run an exploit - take advantage of a bug -
to get 'root' access, at which point you can change things willy-nilly,
install applications that do more than the stock OS allows, etc. (On the
iPhone, as you note, they call it 'jailbreaking'. On the Droid, it's
'rooting'.) I don't have direct experience (yet) but apparently because
the Android source is fairly open, people can - and do - create entirely
new versions of the OS.

 Anyway, that's as far as I've gotten on that question...

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                                     (313)
227-2317

 "There is no distinction in nature between microevolution and
macroevolution.
 Macroevolution is just larger quantities of microevolution over much
longer
 times. It's like saying that there's 'microwalking' which is what I do
from
 the car park to the office every morning, and down to the shops on
weekends,
 and that can result in changes of my location over time on a small
scale; but
 the idea that people, over tens of thousands of years, walked out of
central
 Africa into Europe, then over to Asia, across to North America and into
South
 America - that's 'macrowalking' and it's impossible. God must have put
them
                        there." - Anthony Steele

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From awilliam at opengroupware.us  Wed Mar 10 13:34:48 2010
From: awilliam at opengroupware.us (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:34:48 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Android
In-Reply-To: <52995d721003101018w4d38f680k2f918a9c8d0657e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b02c40e91003081042x325872b0t107fffaa1ca01524@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B97CFE9.4090301@skyefire.org>
	<52995d721003101018w4d38f680k2f918a9c8d0657e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1268246088.3889.8.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 13:18 -0500, Ron Blanchett wrote:
> I have the Moto Droid on VZW and I rooted the phone in the first few weeks
> of having it.

Stupid question: Why bother?

You can develop and install your own apps without voiding the
warranty/support - that is supported out of the box.

> It isn't all that easy for the phone companies to lock the android platform
> from user modification.
> I even have tethering on my Droid even though VZW doesn't support it for my
> phone.
> What you would have to worry about it cross carrier compatibility, i.e. ATT
> & T-mobile.
> If you take a T-Mo phone to ATT and vise-versa you will only have 2g
> coverage as the 3g signal frequencies are different between the two.

I very much doubt rooting the phone is going to help you with
cross-carrier compatibility.  The issues with network compatibility are
many and comples.
-- 
Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam at whitemice.org> LPIC-1, Novell CLA
<http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com>
OpenGroupware, Cyrus IMAPd, Postfix, OpenLDAP, Samba



From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Wed Mar 10 14:09:15 2010
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:09:15 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Android
In-Reply-To: <1268246088.3889.8.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
References: <b02c40e91003081042x325872b0t107fffaa1ca01524@mail.gmail.com><4B97CFE9.4090301@skyefire.org><52995d721003101018w4d38f680k2f918a9c8d0657e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<1268246088.3889.8.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370492AC45@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Adam Tauno Williams

> On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 13:18 -0500, Ron Blanchett wrote:
> > I have the Moto Droid on VZW and I rooted the phone in the first few
weeks
> > of having it.
> 
> Stupid question: Why bother?

 Well, as soon as I get my Droid, I'm going to modify the /etc/hosts
file to block a lot of ads and other cruft I don't want to deal with or
download when surfing the web. You need root for that. I'll also
probably remove a few stock apps that I won't care about. A few extra
customization options are apparently available - 5 home screens instead
of 3, etc.

 I don't really have an interest in tethering (having a laptop use the
phone as its internet link) but rooting allows that, too, apparently.

 For most people the benefits would be marginal, but I'm a tweaking
kinda guy.

 Of course, apparently the Android 2.1 upgrade is coming "any day now"
for the Droid, and rooting will probably become harder until/unless
another exploit is found...

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                          (313) 227-2317

 "If one is going to use standard units, one should do it right and
               use Kelvins. That way nobody is happy."
           - Linux Weekly News, on Fahrenheit vs. Celsius

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From blubdog at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 17:34:49 2010
From: blubdog at gmail.com (Bruce Smith)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:34:49 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Android
In-Reply-To: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370492AC45@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <b02c40e91003081042x325872b0t107fffaa1ca01524@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B97CFE9.4090301@skyefire.org>
	<52995d721003101018w4d38f680k2f918a9c8d0657e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<1268246088.3889.8.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
	<319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370492AC45@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <b52f2d361003101434t38a50f05rd40254df3b456fd6@mail.gmail.com>

> ?Of course, apparently the Android 2.1 upgrade is coming "any day now"
> for the Droid, and rooting will probably become harder until/unless
> another exploit is found...

What happens to your root'ed phone when 2.1 does come out?

Will your Droid update to it, making it unrooted again?
Or it it brick your Droid?
Or what?

I have a Moto Droid too, and always wondered about that.

 - BS


From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Thu Mar 11 10:31:00 2010
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:31:00 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Android
In-Reply-To: <b52f2d361003101434t38a50f05rd40254df3b456fd6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b02c40e91003081042x325872b0t107fffaa1ca01524@mail.gmail.com><4B97CFE9.4090301@skyefire.org><52995d721003101018w4d38f680k2f918a9c8d0657e4@mail.gmail.com><1268246088.3889.8.camel@linux-yu4c.site><319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370492AC45@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<b52f2d361003101434t38a50f05rd40254df3b456fd6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370492AD37@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Bruce Smith
> >  Of course, apparently the Android 2.1 upgrade is coming "any day now"
> > for the Droid, and rooting will probably become harder until/unless
> > another exploit is found...
> 
> What happens to your root'ed phone when 2.1 does come out?

 I don't know either. From what I gather, though, the current exploit that's used to get root access is expected to be closed, so getting root will be harder after that.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                          (313) 227-2317

 "[T]he Founding Fathers... made certain to guarantee us individual
    rights and freedoms. How dare we selfishly lay claim to those
            liberties... when our nation is in crisis?"
        http://www.theonion.com/opinion/index.php?issue=4026

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From otakurider at gmail.com  Fri Mar 12 09:31:58 2010
From: otakurider at gmail.com (-)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:31:58 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Android
In-Reply-To: <b52f2d361003101434t38a50f05rd40254df3b456fd6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b02c40e91003081042x325872b0t107fffaa1ca01524@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B97CFE9.4090301@skyefire.org>
	<52995d721003101018w4d38f680k2f918a9c8d0657e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<1268246088.3889.8.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
	<319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370492AC45@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<b52f2d361003101434t38a50f05rd40254df3b456fd6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cd5131a51003120631p3640d611l6ed1230a5c09425b@mail.gmail.com>

Correct when 2.1 is fully shipped it will close the current root hole.

From Stan at mcomputersolutions.com  Fri Mar 12 21:58:50 2010
From: Stan at mcomputersolutions.com (Stan Green)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:58:50 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Linux HA
Message-ID: <201003122158.50709.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>

I'm looking into setting up a Linux High Avaliability (HA) configuration. The 
goal of this configuration is to run two LAMP servers in HA mode. I will not 
have an external storage device, so I will need to replicate the data between 
the two servers (MySQL Replication & rsync). I am finding some resource on the 
internet but have not found a "good" one yet. Most of what I am finding was 
created pre-2000. So, two questions:

1) Does anyone know of a good resource that details how to set up Linux HA?

2) Has anyone setup something like this and can share their experiences?

Thanks,
Stan


From tesral at wowway.com  Sat Mar 13 03:42:12 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 03:42:12 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Meeting
In-Reply-To: <201003122158.50709.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
References: <201003122158.50709.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
Message-ID: <4B9B4FE4.6070806@wowway.com>

It is not looking like I will be attending the meeting.  Having a rough
night. 

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it -- and stop there -- lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove-lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove-lid again, and that is well; but also she will never sit down on a cold one any more. -Mark Twain
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 13 05:56:59 2010
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 05:56:59 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Meeting
In-Reply-To: <4B9B4FE4.6070806@wowway.com>
References: <201003122158.50709.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
	<4B9B4FE4.6070806@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <4B9B6F7B.9040306@gmail.com>

Garry Stahl wrote:
> It is not looking like I will be attending the meeting.  Having a rough
> night. 
> 

That sucks
What's going on?



From tesral at wowway.com  Sat Mar 13 14:35:39 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:35:39 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Meeting
In-Reply-To: <4B9B6F7B.9040306@gmail.com>
References: <201003122158.50709.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>	<4B9B4FE4.6070806@wowway.com>
	<4B9B6F7B.9040306@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B9BE90B.2060001@wowway.com>

Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> That sucks
> What's going on?
>   
The all to usual weather changing and my body telling me about it.


-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it -- and stop there -- lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove-lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove-lid again, and that is well; but also she will never sit down on a cold one any more. -Mark Twain
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From petertheplumber at att.net  Mon Mar 15 14:34:25 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:34:25 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Online Storage - Dropbox
In-Reply-To: <4ACF6546.8080101@gmail.com>
References: <4ACF6546.8080101@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1268678065.25324.106.camel@plumber-notebook.site>

On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 12:31 -0400, Clinton Weiss wrote:
> disclaimer: I am in no way affiliated with Dropbox, I just like it
> 
> http://www.getdropbox.com
> 
> The home storage thread has inspired me to share an online storage 
> utility which I have found to be invaluable on every one of my 
> computers.  It works on Mac, a few popular Linux distros, and of course 
> Windows.
> 
> My personal pros:
> - 2 GB free.
> - Very fast, rsync like behavior.
> - File history.
> - "Public" folder that you can use to create URL's to share files with 
> others.
> - Files stored in a true folder structure, you can modify files from the 
> command line or a gui.
> 
> My personal cons:
> - It isn't open source, and that bugs me.  But it's a good tool, and 
> free is valuable.
> - Your files are stored "somewhere", and who knows what admins may have 
> access to them.  Don't store anything you wouldn't trust to be online.
> 
> I have found it very useful for transporting such documents as school 
> papers, various reference PDFs, pictures, etc. across several computers 
> simultaneously.  When my Mom's hard drive failed and she got it 
> replaced, she simply re-installed Dropbox and had all of her files right 
> back on her computer.  Yes, it's that easy that a 52 year old woman can 
> use it and actually like it!
> 

	Yes! This has helped me greatly. My alter ego now takes care of the
Cocker Spaniel Rescue website
<http://michigancockerrescue.rescuegroups.org/>, and Dropbox enables me
to transfer large files over long distances so I can post them. I
especially like that it does not require any installation, unless you
want to. I'm using it as a cloud, I think is the right terminology. A
foster family will upload pictures and videos of their foster dog and
I'll get them from there to post on our site. Beats the pants off
sneaker net. Betcha didn't know I'm a closet bleeding heart tree hugger?
My dogs thinks so but they don't care!
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From mdlug at wowway.com  Tue Mar 16 14:31:15 2010
From: mdlug at wowway.com (Dean Durant)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:31:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] wireless on older laptop
Message-ID: <119289161.20594791268764275363.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>

Hello, I have a compaq armada M700, 192 MB ram, Pentium 3. I had Mandrake on it but I blitzed that out trying to install Ubuntu 9.1 or whatever the latest is. Live Ubuntu was pretty slow. There was some problem installing it (ext4 over ext3 or something) but I should try again. 


The toughest thing is the wireless. It isn't built in. I would have to go external. Either PCMCIA or USB. Is there a particular brand or model people have had good luck with? 

I bought this Fast Netz ralink rt73 or rt2500, something link that, never once thinking about compatibility. But I can buy something else. 


Has anyone used damn small with wireless ? 


Thanks, Dean 


From petertheplumber at att.net  Tue Mar 16 15:01:55 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:01:55 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] wireless on older laptop
In-Reply-To: <119289161.20594791268764275363.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
References: <119289161.20594791268764275363.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
Message-ID: <20100316150155.39b183a8@Nokia-N800-43-7>

On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:31:15 -0400 (EDT)
Dean Durant <mdlug at wowway.com> wrote:

> Hello, I have a compaq armada M700, 192 MB ram, Pentium 3. I had
> Mandrake on it but I blitzed that out trying to install Ubuntu 9.1 or
> whatever the latest is. Live Ubuntu was pretty slow. There was some
> problem installing it (ext4 over ext3 or something) but I should try
> again. 

    I have Xubuntu running very nicely on a 900mhz P3, might be an
    option for you? 

> The toughest thing is the wireless. It isn't built in. I would have
> to go external. Either PCMCIA or USB. Is there a particular brand or
> model people have had good luck with? 
> 
> I bought this Fast Netz ralink rt73 or rt2500, something link that,
> never once thinking about compatibility. But I can buy something
> else. 

    I use a Dlink pcmcia wifi card for my older notebook. Worked
    out of the box with Xubuntu.     I've been able to reproduce the
    disappearing xfce panels at will ; from another post; and know how
    to stop it. I'n going to update the bug report one of these days. 

> Has anyone used damn small with wireless ? 
> 

    Yes, but that was a long time ago and I don't have that notebook
    anymore.


-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber
Sent from a mobile Internet Tablet


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Tue Mar 16 16:00:29 2010
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:00:29 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] wireless on older laptop
In-Reply-To: <119289161.20594791268764275363.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
References: <119289161.20594791268764275363.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e91003161300kfaa6242x20e737b0c3c0f9cf@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Dean Durant <mdlug at wowway.com> wrote:
> Hello, I have a compaq armada M700, 192 MB ram, Pentium 3. I had Mandrake on it but I blitzed that out trying to install Ubuntu 9.1 or whatever the latest is. Live Ubuntu was pretty slow. There was some problem installing it (ext4 over ext3 or something) but I should try again.
>

Insufficient RAM.  Ubuntu LiveCD needs 512MB+ minimum to install.  Use
an Alternate CD that has a text-mode interface.  Use Xubuntu (XFCE) or
Lubuntu (LXDE) if you want a graphical desktop.  XFCE has a problem
with desktop panels not loading at start-up (timing bug of some sort)
but this can be worked around by creating an auto-start entry for
xfce4-panel so it loads even when the primary launcher fails:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/53897

>
> The toughest thing is the wireless. It isn't built in. I would have to go external. Either PCMCIA or USB. Is there a particular brand or model people have had good luck with?
>
> I bought this Fast Netz ralink rt73 or rt2500, something link that, never once thinking about compatibility. But I can buy something else.
>

RAlink devices are a broken mess on Linux.  Some function, some
partially (like non-encrypted only), some not at all.  This is
supposed to be fixed in the 2.6.34 kernel.


From gib at juno.com  Wed Mar 17 09:07:45 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:07:45 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] [ubuntu-us-mi] Ubuntu Global Jam - Michigan Style! Penguicon
Message-ID: <20100317.090745.23227.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>

 
The MDLUG.org and the SEMCO groups plans to have a party room at Penguicon. Plan to stop by. Perhaps you can talk to us about the release . . .

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Greg Grossmeier <greg at grossmeier.net>
To: Ubuntu Michigan Local Community Team <ubuntu-us-mi at lists.ubuntu.com>
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-mi] Ubuntu Global Jam - Michigan Style!
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:32:13 -0400

<quoting name="Robert Citek" date="2010-03-16" time="17:31:02 -0400">
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Greg Grossmeier <greg at grossmeier.net> wrote:
> > The Ubuntu Global Jam is an incredible opportunity for the Ubuntu
> > community to unite together around the weekend of 26th - 28th March 2010
> > to work together to improve Ubuntu.
> 
> Dang!   The one weekend in a while when I'll be out of town.

Dang! Sorry you won't be able to make it.

> Any planned follow-up gatherings before the 10.04 releases?

We're thinking of doing a release party shin-dig at the Penguicon hotel 
bar the weekend of Penguicon. There should be a good size group of FLOSSy 
(and otherwise) people there. :)

Hope to see you around,

Greg

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From davidl at lmert.com  Wed Mar 17 20:57:37 2010
From: davidl at lmert.com (David Lee Lambert)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:57:37 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] wireless on older laptop
In-Reply-To: <119289161.20594791268764275363.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
References: <119289161.20594791268764275363.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
Message-ID: <201003172057.46308.davidl@lmert.com>

I have a Compaq Armada m700 as well (actually I'm on my 3rd one... the screen 
on the first one got cracked from sitting under luggage,  and the internal 
power-supply on the second eventually died).  I'm using a Netgear 802.11b 
PCMCIA card with a "Broadcom Corporation BCM43XG (rev 01)" chipset with 
pretty good results.

I run Debian Etch on it.  

--
DLL


On Tuesday 16 March 2010 14:31, Dean Durant wrote:
> Hello, I have a compaq armada M700, 192 MB ram, Pentium 3. I had Mandrake
> on it but I blitzed that out trying to install Ubuntu 9.1 or whatever the
> latest is. Live Ubuntu was pretty slow. There was some problem installing
> it (ext4 over ext3 or something) but I should try again.
>
>
> The toughest thing is the wireless. It isn't built in. I would have to go
> external. Either PCMCIA or USB. Is there a particular brand or model people
> have had good luck with?
>
> I bought this Fast Netz ralink rt73 or rt2500, something link that, never
> once thinking about compatibility. But I can buy something else.
>
>
> Has anyone used damn small with wireless ?
>
>
> Thanks, Dean
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug

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IM: davidleelambert (Yahoo!) or lamber45 at cse.msu.edu (MSN)


From raymond.s.mclaughlin at gmail.com  Thu Mar 18 18:40:51 2010
From: raymond.s.mclaughlin at gmail.com (Raymond S McLaughlin)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:40:51 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] wireless on older laptop
In-Reply-To: <201003172057.46308.davidl@lmert.com>
References: <119289161.20594791268764275363.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
	<201003172057.46308.davidl@lmert.com>
Message-ID: <4BA2ABF3.9050401@gmail.com>

David Lee Lambert wrote:
> I have a Compaq Armada m700 as well (actually I'm on my 3rd one... the screen 
> on the first one got cracked from sitting under luggage,  and the internal 
> power-supply on the second eventually died).  I'm using a Netgear 802.11b 
> PCMCIA card with a "Broadcom Corporation BCM43XG (rev 01)" chipset with 
> pretty good results.
> 
> I run Debian Etch on it.  
> 
> --
> DLL

Are you using the mad-wifi driver, or the ndiswrapper-windriver
combination? I am using a Linksys cardbus card with the following lspci
-v description:


06:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5416 \
802.11abgn Wireless PCI Adapter (rev 01)
        Subsystem: Linksys Device 0069
        Flags: bus master, fast Back2Back, 66MHz, medium devsel,\
latency   128, IRQ 11
        Memory at 3c000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
        Capabilities: [40] #80 [0000]
        Kernel driver in use: ndiswrapper
        Kernel modules: ath5k


The Atheros chipset *used to be* (like 5 years ago) well supported with
native Linux drivers drivers, but then they weren't so I got used to
using NDISWrapper. I have read that Atheros Communications Inc. has
resumed co-operating with the open source community, but I have still
found the mad-wifi drivers problematic every time I've tried to use
them, while NDISWrapper now works well.

If you need to use NDISW I suggest you get a couple of packages in
addition to the base NDISW: ndisgtk and ndisinstaller. These provide a
convenient gui front end for configuring NDISWrapper. On my laptop I set
it up once for the present card, and it has "just worked" since then.


I hope this helps
Raymond McLaughlin




From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Thu Mar 18 19:10:43 2010
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:10:43 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] wireless on older laptop
In-Reply-To: <4BA2ABF3.9050401@gmail.com>
References: <119289161.20594791268764275363.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
	<201003172057.46308.davidl@lmert.com> <4BA2ABF3.9050401@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e91003181610j1b52089fn7d1c0d43a8e2ac67@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Raymond S McLaughlin
<raymond.s.mclaughlin at gmail.com> wrote:
> The Atheros chipset *used to be* (like 5 years ago) well supported with
> native Linux drivers drivers, but then they weren't so I got used to
> using NDISWrapper. I have read that Atheros Communications Inc. has
> resumed co-operating with the open source community, but I have still
> found the mad-wifi drivers problematic every time I've tried to use
> them, while NDISWrapper now works well.

On Ubuntu I've never had a problem with Atheros drivers on my Toshiba
laptop.  IIRC, there was some issues when the closed-source drivers
were replaced with an open-source version last year but I didn't have
problems with either version.  A few years ago I dumped Mandriva
because of Atheros problems but I suspect it has been fixed since
then.


From petertheplumber at att.net  Sun Mar 21 10:22:53 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:22:53 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] voip service?
In-Reply-To: <37643a77e6c85f9388557cd1677e601e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <37643a77e6c85f9388557cd1677e601e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <20100321102253.2b624d45@Nokia-N800-43-7>

On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 08:12:12 -0400
"Carl T. Miller" <carl at carltm.com> wrote:

> I just disconnected my AT&T land line and am looking at options
> for phone service that don't involve my cell phone.  VOIP sounds
> good, but I'm not sure what all I would need to make it work.
> 
> Any suggestions for economical VOIP providers that work and
> play well with Linux?

Sorry Carl, posted on mailing list this time.

   I use Gizmo with my wifi enabled cell handset. It's available alsp
 o for several different platforms here:
 <http://gizmo5.com/pc/download/> It appears to have been bought by
 Google and new user sign up temporarily suspended
 <http://www.google.com/gizmo5/>
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber
Sent from a mobile Internet Tablet


From petertheplumber at att.net  Sun Mar 21 10:27:40 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:27:40 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] voip service?
In-Reply-To: <05e5e28d68079d162dc96d10a35c14ab.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <37643a77e6c85f9388557cd1677e601e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<20100321092833.340c1b36@Nokia-N800-43-7>
	<05e5e28d68079d162dc96d10a35c14ab.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <1269181660.10435.16.camel@plumber-notebook.site>

On Sun, 2010-03-21 at 10:19 -0400, Carl T. Miller wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Two questions:  Does it work with Asterisk and how much
> do you pay for what level of service?
> 

Dear Carl,
	I just bought 1000 minutes of call out for $10.00. I'm in the process
of checking it out because I recently flashed my handset, so I'll need
to download it again. I'll look into the Astersisk as well.
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From petertheplumber at att.net  Sun Mar 21 10:36:40 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:36:40 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] voip service?
In-Reply-To: <05e5e28d68079d162dc96d10a35c14ab.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <37643a77e6c85f9388557cd1677e601e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<20100321092833.340c1b36@Nokia-N800-43-7>
	<05e5e28d68079d162dc96d10a35c14ab.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <1269182200.10435.19.camel@plumber-notebook.site>

On Sun, 2010-03-21 at 10:19 -0400, Carl T. Miller wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Two questions:  Does it work with Asterisk and how much
> do you pay for what level of service?

Dear Carl,
	It looks like it does work with Asterisk. Look at the knowledgebase
here <http://support.gizmoproject.com/index.php?group=gizmo5> and search
for asterisk.
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From petertheplumber at att.net  Sun Mar 21 10:37:25 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:37:25 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] voip service?
In-Reply-To: <05e5e28d68079d162dc96d10a35c14ab.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <37643a77e6c85f9388557cd1677e601e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<20100321092833.340c1b36@Nokia-N800-43-7>
	<05e5e28d68079d162dc96d10a35c14ab.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <1269182245.10435.20.camel@plumber-notebook.site>

On Sun, 2010-03-21 at 10:19 -0400, Carl T. Miller wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Two questions:  Does it work with Asterisk and how much
> do you pay for what level of service?
> 

Dear Carl,
	You can check out rates here <http://www.gizmo5.com/rates>
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From smunro622 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 21 10:31:33 2010
From: smunro622 at gmail.com (stuart munro)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:31:33 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] voip service?
In-Reply-To: <20100321102253.2b624d45@Nokia-N800-43-7>
References: <37643a77e6c85f9388557cd1677e601e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<20100321102253.2b624d45@Nokia-N800-43-7>
Message-ID: <BE7DFB60-FC43-417F-A3D8-D55B78DB1C6F@gmail.com>

i run little box of tricks as a vm with asterick (on a esxi box)
i use this sip provider,
https://www.link2voip.com/rates.php

really happy and i some other features 

$9.95 unlimited 
On Mar 21, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Peter Bart wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 08:12:12 -0400
> "Carl T. Miller" <carl at carltm.com> wrote:
> 
>> I just disconnected my AT&T land line and am looking at options
>> for phone service that don't involve my cell phone.  VOIP sounds
>> good, but I'm not sure what all I would need to make it work.
>> 
>> Any suggestions for economical VOIP providers that work and
>> play well with Linux?
> 
> Sorry Carl, posted on mailing list this time.
> 
>   I use Gizmo with my wifi enabled cell handset. It's available alsp
> o for several different platforms here:
> <http://gizmo5.com/pc/download/> It appears to have been bought by
> Google and new user sign up temporarily suspended
> <http://www.google.com/gizmo5/>
> -- 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Peter The Plumber
> Sent from a mobile Internet Tablet
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From petertheplumber at att.net  Sun Mar 21 10:40:20 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:40:20 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] voip service?
In-Reply-To: <1269182245.10435.20.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
References: <37643a77e6c85f9388557cd1677e601e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<20100321092833.340c1b36@Nokia-N800-43-7>
	<05e5e28d68079d162dc96d10a35c14ab.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<1269182245.10435.20.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
Message-ID: <1269182420.10435.24.camel@plumber-notebook.site>

On Sun, 2010-03-21 at 10:37 -0400, Peter Bart wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-03-21 at 10:19 -0400, Carl T. Miller wrote:
> > Hi Peter,
> > 
> > Two questions:  Does it work with Asterisk and how much
> > do you pay for what level of service?
> > 
> 
> Dear Carl,
> 	You can check out rates here <http://www.gizmo5.com/rates>

Sorry, I can't tell the difference between lists anymore! Argh!
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From awilliam at opengroupware.us  Sun Mar 21 11:24:35 2010
From: awilliam at opengroupware.us (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:24:35 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] voip service?
In-Reply-To: <20100321102253.2b624d45@Nokia-N800-43-7>
References: <37643a77e6c85f9388557cd1677e601e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<20100321102253.2b624d45@Nokia-N800-43-7>
Message-ID: <1269185075.3735.9.camel@linux-pqce.site>

On Sun, 2010-03-21 at 10:22 -0400, Peter Bart wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 08:12:12 -0400
> "Carl T. Miller" <carl at carltm.com> wrote:
> > I just disconnected my AT&T land line and am looking at options
> > for phone service that don't involve my cell phone.  VOIP sounds
> > good, but I'm not sure what all I would need to make it work.
> > Any suggestions for economical VOIP providers that work and
> > play well with Linux?

Ekiga provides a solution, and affordable gateways, and is built up
around the SIP client Ekiga that was originally GNOME Meeting.

It works very well.

> Sorry Carl, posted on mailing list this time.
>    I use Gizmo with my wifi enabled cell handset. It's available alsp
>  o for several different platforms here:
>  <http://gizmo5.com/pc/download/> It appears to have been bought by
>  Google and new user sign up temporarily suspended
>  <http://www.google.com/gizmo5/>




From rengesh at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 21 14:18:58 2010
From: rengesh at yahoo.com (Rengesh Krishna)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:18:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] voip service?
In-Reply-To: <1269182420.10435.24.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
References: <37643a77e6c85f9388557cd1677e601e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<20100321092833.340c1b36@Nokia-N800-43-7>
	<05e5e28d68079d162dc96d10a35c14ab.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<1269182245.10435.20.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
	<1269182420.10435.24.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
Message-ID: <680981.17908.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear Peter,


I have been using viatalk (www.viatalk.com) for over 5 years. This is a regular VOIP service that you use with normal phones. There is no software required. For the new customers they charge 200 dollars for 2 years. After that I get 18 months for 200 dollars. There are few things that are good about them: -
1. If you already have a VOIP box like PAP2T they will simply send you the credentials so you are ready to go right away.
2. You can order the same box from them - but unlike many VOIP providers they don't have a problem sending you the administrative password.
3. They have two-lines that can be programed independently - I have programmed the second line to gizmo5 (earlier it used to be called sipphone)
4. They do support Asterisk, as they provide the complete code when you sign on to your account. I see that they are giving me two codes (sip.conf and extensions.conf) (I don't have Asterisk so I can tell any further)
5. Their CEO hangs around in dslreports.com forums and responds to user's problems, which I kind of like.
6. They do have several features such as simul-ring, conditional call forward, conditional call block or call routing using wild-card, call hunt, call alarm. (I have been using these features for many years)
7. Above all, they do support calls using a software. You can use your own SIP software (like linphone) and configure using the SIP credentials they supply to you in your profile.

Hope this helps.

Rengesh



________________________________
From: Peter Bart <petertheplumber at att.net>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 10:40:20 AM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] [WLUG] voip service?

On Sun, 2010-03-21 at 10:37 -0400, Peter Bart wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-03-21 at 10:19 -0400, Carl T. Miller wrote:
> > Hi Peter,
> > 
> > Two questions:  Does it work with Asterisk and how much
> > do you pay for what level of service?
> > 
> 
> Dear Carl,
>     You can check out rates here <http://www.gizmo5.com/rates>

Sorry, I can't tell the difference between lists anymore! Argh!
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber

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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Mon Mar 22 09:55:20 2010
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:55:20 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Droid report
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370492B56F@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>


 I've had my Droid phone for close to a week, and figured I'd give a
little report on it.

 Hardware-wise, it's awfully good. The screen is beautiful. The camera
takes decent pictures and good video. The speakers are entirely
competent and the sound is good through headphones. The keyboard isn't
quite as good as the rest of it, but it's perfectly serviceable, or will
be once I've messed with the software a little. The micro-USB hookup is
mildly annoying; I have a ton of mini-USB cables laying around, but only
the micro-USB cable that came with the Droid, for now. (Anyone know a
cheap source of micro-USB cables?)

 The software is pretty good. Definitely some rough edges, but workable.
The internet functions are solid: the browser's very usable, email works
fine, etc. Had no trouble hooking up to my 802.11g WAP, etc. I was able
to find SSH and VNC clients; haven't tried the VNC client yet, but the
SSH client did well.

 Downloaded a few games and toys, enjoyable enough. I've managed to move
over my contacts and secured passwords from my Treo with some conversion
tools. Still working on the calendar, but it looks doable - I found a
Perl script to convert a Palm calendar to iCal format, and that should
be importable once I remove some personal entries.

 Video plays very well on this device. With an 854x480 screen, there's
room for every single pixel on a DVD. I've put together some scripts
that convert DVDs and videos for viewing on the Droid (which doesn't
like the AVI or FLV formats but seems happy with MP4) and the results
are a joy to behold. Commuting on the bus is going to be even more
entertaining now. F/X blockbusters were a little anemic at 320x240 (to
fit on the Treo's 320x320 screen) but on the Droid they look beautiful.

 There are several programs that I need to write. First up, to my
surprise, is a decent text editor. I figured out how to cut and paste,
but none of the free text editors I've looked at support search or
replace, nor jumping to a particular point in a file. Fortunately,
development doesn't look too hard.

 The second thing up is a modification to keyboard input. On the Treo,
there was a utility called "KeyCaps" that sped up typing considerably.
Hold a key for a brief time (I had it set to 1/4 sec) and you'd get the
capital letter. Double-tap within a set time (again, 1/4 sec for me),
and you'd get the punctuation character. Not having to chord keys on a
small keyboard is very useful, and makes a surprising difference in
typing speed and ease.

 I want to make a client for my "Ostiary" program, of course, and an
encrypted, secure diary/journal program.

 After that, I figure it should be possible to port the old "Maelstrom"
game (Asteroids clone from the original color Macs) without too much
trouble. By the time I've got all the above under my belt, I should be
ready to port a BZflag client that uses the accelerometers for
steering...

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                    (313) 227-2317

   "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right;
        and if wrong, to be set right." - Carl Schurz

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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Mon Mar 22 10:09:06 2010
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:09:06 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Script for encoding DVDs for a Droid
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370492B57C@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>


 Below is a script for encoding DVD video for playback on a Droid. It
uses mencoder to re-encode the original MPEG-2 stream to H264 with a
1000 kbit bitrate. This is a very CPU-intensive process. For example,
with a dual-core Athlon X2 at 2.8GHz, it took 201 minutes (three hours
and twenty-one minutes) to convert a 115-minute movie. The resulting
file was 915MB. It was tested on Ubuntu 9.10.

 Note: this script assumes you want subtitles. If not, you'll need to
comment out/remove the appropriate lines. Note too: the formatting may
be messed up by this silly email program, so take care when cutting and
pasting.

 Thanks to the h264enc script for helping to determine the appropriate
mencoder parameters.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                           (313) 227-2317

 "The Philosopher's Syndrome: Mistaking a failure of imagination for
            an insight into necessity." - Daniel Dennett

-----------------------------------

#!/bin/bash

# Helps handling filenames with spaces
IFS=`printf '\n\t'`

## Set up parameters for encoding

# If you're skipping frames, increase FPS. If duplicating, decrease FPS.
# Usual values are 24000/1001 (23.976), 24, 25 (PAL), 30000/1001
(29.97), 30.
#OFPS="24"
OFPS="24000/1001"
#OFPS="30000/1001"

# Height of the output video (Droid screen: 480)
SCALEH=480

# Width of the output video (Droid screen: 720)
SCALEW=854

# Where to put temporary files
TEMP_FILE_DIR=`mktemp -d`

# This is the key parameter we gotta have from the user.
# Spaces in the output file name are probably not a good idea.
if [ -n "$1" ]; then
  NEWNAME=$1
else
  echo Output file name not specified, aborting!
  echo "Usage: " $0 " output-name [dvd-title] [dvd-device] [audio-track]
[subtitle]"
  exit 0
fi

# These are optional parameters that can be tweaked but have default
values.
# Default to DVD title 1.
DVDTITLE=${2:-1}
# Device to read DVD from
# (You might want to change the default to match your system.)
DVDDEV=${3:-"/dev/dvd"}
# 128 is the default audio track on a DVD, usually
AUDIOTRACK=${4:-128}
# 0 is the default subtitle track on a DVD, usually
SUBTITLE=${5:0}

### Do the actual encoding. ###

# Two-pass encoding. Takes longer, but makes a noticeable improvement in
image
# quality for a given bitrate. More passes are possible, but hit the
point of
# diminishing returns very quickly, IMO.
nice -n 10 /usr/bin/mencoder -dvd-device ${DVDDEV} dvd://${DVDTITLE}
-aid ${AUDIOTRACK} -sid ${SUBTITLE} \
-o /dev/null -passlogfile ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/pass.log -ofps ${OFPS} -vf
softskip,dsize=16:9,scale=${SCALEW}:${SCALEH}:0,harddup -sws 10
-channels 2 -oac faac -faacopts mpeg=4:object=2:br=128 -ovc x264
-x264encopts
pass=1:bitrate=1000:turbo=2:me=umh:me_range=16:dct_decimate:nointerlaced
:no8x8dct:nofast_pskip:trellis=0:partitions=p8x8,i4x4:mixed_refs:keyint=
240:keyint_min=24:psy_rd=0.8,0.0:frameref=1:bframes=0:b_adapt=0:noweight
_b:direct_pred=none:subq=8:chroma_me:nocabac:aq_mode=1:deblock:vbv_maxra
te=1500:vbv_bufsize=1000:level_idc=30:threads=auto:ssim:psnr

nice -n 10 /usr/bin/mencoder -dvd-device ${DVDDEV} dvd://${DVDTITLE}
-aid ${AUDIOTRACK} -sid ${SUBTITLE} \
-o ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/${NEWNAME}.avi -passlogfile
${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/pass.log -ofps ${OFPS} -vf
softskip,dsize=16:9,scale=${SCALEW}:${SCALEH}:0,harddup -sws 10 -af
volnorm,lavcresample=48000:16:1 -srate 48000 -channels 2 -oac faac
-faacopts mpeg=4:object=2:br=128 -ovc x264 -x264encopts
pass=2:bitrate=1000:me=umh:me_range=16:dct_decimate:nointerlaced:no8x8dc
t:nofast_pskip:trellis=0:partitions=p8x8,i4x4:mixed_refs:keyint=240:keyi
nt_min=24:psy_rd=0.8,0.0:frameref=1:bframes=0:b_adapt=0:noweight_b:direc
t_pred=none:subq=8:chroma_me:nocabac:aq_mode=1:deblock:vbv_maxrate=1500:
vbv_bufsize=1000:level_idc=30:threads=auto:ssim:psnr

### Repackage the video and audio into an MP4 container. ###

# Extract the video and audio from the .avi produced above.
/usr/bin/mencoder ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/${NEWNAME}.avi -nosound -ovc copy -of
rawvideo -o ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/h264_video.h264
/usr/bin/MP4Box -aviraw audio ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/${NEWNAME}.avi -out
${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/aac.raw
mv -f ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/aac_audio.raw ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/aac_audio.aac

# Bundle it up into an MP4
/usr/bin/mplayer ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/${NEWNAME}.avi -noconfig all -loop 1
-identify -nosound -vo null -nocache -frames 1 2>/dev/null | grep
'^ID_VIDEO_FPS' | tail -n 1 | awk -F= '{print $2}' >
${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/mp4fps

/usr/bin/MP4Box -fps $(cat ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/mp4fps) -tmp
${TEMP_FILE_DIR} -add ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/h264_video.h264  -add
${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/aac_audio.aac#audio:name="LC-AAC Stereo"   -itags
name="new_droid":comment="Tagged on $(date)"   -ipod -mpeg4 -new
"${NEWNAME}.mp4"

# Clean up after ourselves.
rm -rf ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}

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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Mon Mar 22 10:15:04 2010
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:15:04 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Script for encoding random video files for the Droid
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370492B583@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>


 This script uses mencoder to re-encode video into H264 at 1000
kbits/sec for the Droid. It assumes the original video has a resolution
less than 854x480. If the video is larger, some scaling will need to be
done.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                            (313) 227-2317

 "Science is what we understand well enough to explain to a computer.
          Art is everything else we do." - Donald Knuth

------------------------------------

#!/bin/bash
# Helps handling filenames with spaces
IFS=`printf '\n\t'`

## Set up parameters for encoding

# Where to put temporary files.
TEMP_FILE_DIR=`mktemp -d`

# This is the key parameter we gotta have from the user.
# Spaces in the output file name are probably not a good idea.
if [ -n "$1" ]; then
  NEWNAME=$1
else
  echo Output file name not specified, aborting!
  echo "Usage: " $0 " output-name [input video]"
  exit 0
fi

### Re-encode the video to H264 ###

# Two-pass encoding. Takes longer, but makes a noticeable improvement in
image
# quality for a given bitrate. More passes are possible, but hit the
point of
# diminishing returns very quickly, IMO.
nice -n 10 /usr/bin/mencoder $2 \
-o /dev/null -passlogfile ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/pass.log -vf softskip,harddup
-sws 10 -channels 2 -oac faac -faacopts mpeg=4:object=2:br=128 -ovc x264
-x264encopts
pass=1:bitrate=1000:turbo=2:me=umh:me_range=16:dct_decimate:nointerlaced
:no8x8dct:nofast_pskip:trellis=0:partitions=p8x8,i4x4:mixed_refs:keyint=
240:keyint_min=24:psy_rd=0.8,0.0:frameref=1:bframes=0:b_adapt=0:noweight
_b:direct_pred=none:subq=8:chroma_me:nocabac:aq_mode=1:deblock:vbv_maxra
te=1500:vbv_bufsize=1000:level_idc=30:threads=auto:ssim:psnr

nice -n 10 /usr/bin/mencoder $2 \
-o ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/${NEWNAME}.avi -passlogfile
${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/pass.log -vf softskip,harddup -sws 10 -af
volnorm,lavcresample=48000:16:1 -srate 48000 -channels 2 -oac faac
-faacopts mpeg=4:object=2:br=128 -ovc x264 -x264encopts
pass=2:bitrate=1000:me=umh:me_range=16:dct_decimate:nointerlaced:no8x8dc
t:nofast_pskip:trellis=0:partitions=p8x8,i4x4:mixed_refs:keyint=240:keyi
nt_min=24:psy_rd=0.8,0.0:frameref=1:bframes=0:b_adapt=0:noweight_b:direc
t_pred=none:subq=8:chroma_me:nocabac:aq_mode=1:deblock:vbv_maxrate=1500:
vbv_bufsize=1000:level_idc=30:threads=auto:ssim:psnr

### Repackage the video and audio into an MP4 container. ###

# Extract the video and audio from the .avi produced above.
/usr/bin/mencoder ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/${NEWNAME}.avi -nosound -ovc copy -of
rawvideo -o ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/h264_video.h264
/usr/bin/MP4Box -aviraw audio ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/${NEWNAME}.avi -out
${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/aac.raw
mv -f ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/aac_audio.raw ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/aac_audio.aac

# Bundle it up into an MP4
/usr/bin/mplayer ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/${NEWNAME}.avi -noconfig all -loop 1
-identify -nosound -vo null -nocache -frames 1 2>/dev/null | grep
'^ID_VIDEO_FPS' | tail -n 1 | awk -F= '{print $2}' >
${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/mp4fps
/usr/bin/MP4Box -fps $(cat ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/mp4fps) -tmp
${TEMP_FILE_DIR} -add ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/h264_video.h264  -add
${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/aac_audio.aac#audio:name="LC-AAC Stereo"   -itags
name="new_droid":comment="Tagged on $(date)"   -ipod -mpeg4 -new
"${NEWNAME}.mp4"

# Clean up after ourselves.
rm -rf ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}

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From gib at juno.com  Mon Mar 22 10:39:28 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:39:28 GMT
Subject: [mdlug]  Droid report - Text Editor Needed
Message-ID: <20100322.103928.25230.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com>

 
Make that text editor open source so someone can port in to the other platforms (such as my Blackberry which doesn't have a text editor).

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Ingles, Raymond" <Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com>
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] Droid report
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:55:20 -0400



I've had my Droid phone for close to a week, and figured I'd give a
little report on it.

Hardware-wise, it's awfully good. The screen is beautiful. The camera
takes decent pictures and good video. The speakers are entirely
competent and the sound is good through headphones. The keyboard isn't
quite as good as the rest of it, but it's perfectly serviceable, or will
be once I've messed with the software a little. The micro-USB hookup is
mildly annoying; I have a ton of mini-USB cables laying around, but only
the micro-USB cable that came with the Droid, for now. (Anyone know a
cheap source of micro-USB cables?)

The software is pretty good. Definitely some rough edges, but workable.
The internet functions are solid: the browser's very usable, email works
fine, etc. Had no trouble hooking up to my 802.11g WAP, etc. I was able
to find SSH and VNC clients; haven't tried the VNC client yet, but the
SSH client did well.

Downloaded a few games and toys, enjoyable enough. I've managed to move
over my contacts and secured passwords from my Treo with some conversion
tools. Still working on the calendar, but it looks doable - I found a
Perl script to convert a Palm calendar to iCal format, and that should
be importable once I remove some personal entries.

Video plays very well on this device. With an 854x480 screen, there's
room for every single pixel on a DVD. I've put together some scripts
that convert DVDs and videos for viewing on the Droid (which doesn't
like the AVI or FLV formats but seems happy with MP4) and the results
are a joy to behold. Commuting on the bus is going to be even more
entertaining now. F/X blockbusters were a little anemic at 320x240 (to
fit on the Treo's 320x320 screen) but on the Droid they look beautiful.

There are several programs that I need to write. First up, to my
surprise, is a decent text editor. I figured out how to cut and paste,
but none of the free text editors I've looked at support search or
replace, nor jumping to a particular point in a file. Fortunately,
development doesn't look too hard.

The second thing up is a modification to keyboard input. On the Treo,
there was a utility called "KeyCaps" that sped up typing considerably.
Hold a key for a brief time (I had it set to 1/4 sec) and you'd get the
capital letter. Double-tap within a set time (again, 1/4 sec for me),
and you'd get the punctuation character. Not having to chord keys on a
small keyboard is very useful, and makes a surprising difference in
typing speed and ease.

I want to make a client for my "Ostiary" program, of course, and an
encrypted, secure diary/journal program.

After that, I figure it should be possible to port the old "Maelstrom"
game (Asteroids clone from the original color Macs) without too much
trouble. By the time I've got all the above under my belt, I should be
ready to port a BZflag client that uses the accelerometers for
steering...

Sincerely,

Ray Ingles                                    (313) 227-2317

  "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right;
       and if wrong, to be set right." - Carl Schurz

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From bradmcmahon at gmail.com  Mon Mar 22 10:27:59 2010
From: bradmcmahon at gmail.com (Bradley McMahon)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:27:59 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Droid report
In-Reply-To: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370492B56F@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370492B56F@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <9199bfb1003220727o52ab715ej9e105a36e82ba989@mail.gmail.com>

If the microusb really bugs you get a female mini-usb surface mountable
connector and replace the micro usb. Sure you'll void your warranty but heck
you don't own it unless you mod it.
-Brad



On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Ingles, Raymond <
Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com> wrote:

>
>  I've had my Droid phone for close to a week, and figured I'd give a
> little report on it.
>
>  Hardware-wise, it's awfully good. The screen is beautiful. The camera
> takes decent pictures and good video. The speakers are entirely
> competent and the sound is good through headphones. The keyboard isn't
> quite as good as the rest of it, but it's perfectly serviceable, or will
> be once I've messed with the software a little. The micro-USB hookup is
> mildly annoying; I have a ton of mini-USB cables laying around, but only
> the micro-USB cable that came with the Droid, for now. (Anyone know a
> cheap source of micro-USB cables?)
>
>  The software is pretty good. Definitely some rough edges, but workable.
> The internet functions are solid: the browser's very usable, email works
> fine, etc. Had no trouble hooking up to my 802.11g WAP, etc. I was able
> to find SSH and VNC clients; haven't tried the VNC client yet, but the
> SSH client did well.
>
>  Downloaded a few games and toys, enjoyable enough. I've managed to move
> over my contacts and secured passwords from my Treo with some conversion
> tools. Still working on the calendar, but it looks doable - I found a
> Perl script to convert a Palm calendar to iCal format, and that should
> be importable once I remove some personal entries.
>
>  Video plays very well on this device. With an 854x480 screen, there's
> room for every single pixel on a DVD. I've put together some scripts
> that convert DVDs and videos for viewing on the Droid (which doesn't
> like the AVI or FLV formats but seems happy with MP4) and the results
> are a joy to behold. Commuting on the bus is going to be even more
> entertaining now. F/X blockbusters were a little anemic at 320x240 (to
> fit on the Treo's 320x320 screen) but on the Droid they look beautiful.
>
>  There are several programs that I need to write. First up, to my
> surprise, is a decent text editor. I figured out how to cut and paste,
> but none of the free text editors I've looked at support search or
> replace, nor jumping to a particular point in a file. Fortunately,
> development doesn't look too hard.
>
>  The second thing up is a modification to keyboard input. On the Treo,
> there was a utility called "KeyCaps" that sped up typing considerably.
> Hold a key for a brief time (I had it set to 1/4 sec) and you'd get the
> capital letter. Double-tap within a set time (again, 1/4 sec for me),
> and you'd get the punctuation character. Not having to chord keys on a
> small keyboard is very useful, and makes a surprising difference in
> typing speed and ease.
>
>  I want to make a client for my "Ostiary" program, of course, and an
> encrypted, secure diary/journal program.
>
>  After that, I figure it should be possible to port the old "Maelstrom"
> game (Asteroids clone from the original color Macs) without too much
> trouble. By the time I've got all the above under my belt, I should be
> ready to port a BZflag client that uses the accelerometers for
> steering...
>
>  Sincerely,
>
>  Ray Ingles                                    (313) 227-2317
>
>   "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right;
>        and if wrong, to be set right." - Carl Schurz
>
> The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It
> contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named
> addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose
> it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately
> and then destroy it.
>
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From mdlug at wowway.com  Tue Mar 23 10:25:40 2010
From: mdlug at wowway.com (Dean Durant)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:25:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] supplemental memory?
In-Reply-To: <497425542.22079871269352703342.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
Message-ID: <1227497718.22088011269354340441.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>

Hello, I've gotten to wondering if it's possible to use other devices as memory, like a usb stick, or pcmcia, or even like these little camera memory chips or whatever. This guy where I work has this little tiny chip that he says is 2 GB of storage. It's like half the size of my thumbnail, and not too much thicker. I was amazed when I saw it. 

And so what I mean is during boot, if the kernel sees some sort of high speed storage, can it use that to load programs or anything? 

I know this is a vague question. This is something a legacy OS offered a couple years back or so they claimed. I don't know how well it worked. 

If this were possible, I'm thinking I could do things with my old laptop that might be really slow using virtual. Right now I have damn small on my laptop, and it runs well. I just need to upgrade the kernel, get the right wireless device, and see if I can upgrade firefox, and then it will be perfect for my purposes. 

Just curious, thanks. 


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 10:55:36 2010
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:55:36 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] supplemental memory?
In-Reply-To: <1227497718.22088011269354340441.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
References: <497425542.22079871269352703342.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
	<1227497718.22088011269354340441.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e91003230755r1438acbr21d9ad97f512a8e6@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Dean Durant <mdlug at wowway.com> wrote:
> Hello, I've gotten to wondering if it's possible to use other devices as memory, like a usb stick, or pcmcia, or even like these little camera memory chips or whatever. This guy where I work has this little tiny chip that he says is 2 GB of storage. It's like half the size of my thumbnail, and not too much thicker. I was amazed when I saw it.
>

They are memory.  FLASH memory is faster than hard drives and much
slower than RAM but with a limited write cycle life.

> And so what I mean is during boot, if the kernel sees some sort of high speed storage, can it use that to load programs or anything?
>
> I know this is a vague question. This is something a legacy OS offered a couple years back or so they claimed. I don't know how well it worked.
>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReadyBoost

> If this were possible, I'm thinking I could do things with my old laptop that might be really slow using virtual. Right now I have damn small on my laptop, and it runs well. I just need to upgrade the kernel, get the right wireless device, and see if I can upgrade firefox, and then it will be perfect for my purposes.
>

It will be faster until the FLASH wears out.  The only thing better
than RAM is faster RAM or more RAM.


From mat.enders at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 10:51:29 2010
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:51:29 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] supplemental memory?
Message-ID: <147863538-1269355889-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1299167348-@bda326.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

These devices usually have a limited number of read writes that makes this not practical. If you want to do this anyway you could just create a swap space on the device and mount it
------Original Message------
From: Dean Durant
Sender: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
To: mdlug
ReplyTo: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: [mdlug] supplemental memory?
Sent: Mar 23, 2010 10:25

Hello, I've gotten to wondering if it's possible to use other devices as memory, like a usb stick, or pcmcia, or even like these little camera memory chips or whatever. This guy where I work has this little tiny chip that he says is 2 GB of storage. It's like half the size of my thumbnail, and not too much thicker. I was amazed when I saw it. 

And so what I mean is during boot, if the kernel sees some sort of high speed storage, can it use that to load programs or anything? 

I know this is a vague question. This is something a legacy OS offered a couple years back or so they claimed. I don't know how well it worked. 

If this were possible, I'm thinking I could do things with my old laptop that might be really slow using virtual. Right now I have damn small on my laptop, and it runs well. I just need to upgrade the kernel, get the right wireless device, and see if I can upgrade firefox, and then it will be perfect for my purposes. 

Just curious, thanks. 
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From z_mikowski at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 23 11:23:29 2010
From: z_mikowski at yahoo.com (Michael Mikowski)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:23:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] supplemental memory?
In-Reply-To: <1227497718.22088011269354340441.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
References: <1227497718.22088011269354340441.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
Message-ID: <746655.40638.qm@web53304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Off the top of my head, probably the closest you are going to get is to use a memory card as your swap space, assuming it is faster than your HD (which it might not be!).  See the 'swapon' command.  Of course, this assumes you can format your memory device to a swap partition (and a few other things).  But hey, its a thought.

As for extending system memory, then only practical approach seems to be is to add memory sticks.  System memory is many, many times faster than memory cards because it uses different technology (e.g. it doesn't need to be persistent).


$0.02




----- Original Message ----
From: Dean Durant <mdlug at wowway.com>
To: mdlug <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 7:25:40 AM
Subject: [mdlug] supplemental memory?

Hello, I've gotten to wondering if it's possible to use other devices as memory, like a usb stick, or pcmcia, or even like these little camera memory chips or whatever. This guy where I work has this little tiny chip that he says is 2 GB of storage. It's like half the size of my thumbnail, and not too much thicker. I was amazed when I saw it. 

And so what I mean is during boot, if the kernel sees some sort of high speed storage, can it use that to load programs or anything? 

I know this is a vague question. This is something a legacy OS offered a couple years back or so they claimed. I don't know how well it worked. 

If this were possible, I'm thinking I could do things with my old laptop that might be really slow using virtual. Right now I have damn small on my laptop, and it runs well. I just need to upgrade the kernel, get the right wireless device, and see if I can upgrade firefox, and then it will be perfect for my purposes. 

Just curious, thanks. 
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From robert.citek at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 11:27:11 2010
From: robert.citek at gmail.com (Robert Citek)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:27:11 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] supplemental memory?
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e91003230755r1438acbr21d9ad97f512a8e6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <497425542.22079871269352703342.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
	<1227497718.22088011269354340441.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
	<b02c40e91003230755r1438acbr21d9ad97f512a8e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4145b6791003230827k66898b91p2028f0b0ebc3f5f6@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com> wrote:
> They are memory. ?FLASH memory is faster than hard drives and much
> slower than RAM but with a limited write cycle life.

I had always thought that flash would be faster than a hard drive
until I did a write test on a USB stick:

$ wtest () { dd if=/dev/zero of=zeros bs=1M count=$1 ; sync ; } ; sync
; time -p wtest 100
100+0 records in
100+0 records out
104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 7.38919 s, 14.2 MB/s
real 20.27
user 0.00
sys 0.63

The write same on my internal harddrive:

$ wtest () { dd if=/dev/zero of=zeros bs=1M count=$1 ; sync ; } ; sync
; time -p wtest 100
100+0 records in
100+0 records out
104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 1.68022 s, 62.4 MB/s
real 3.90
user 0.00
sys 0.63

The hard drive is about 5x faster.  Fairly consistent over multiple tests, too.

Regards,
- Robert


From z_mikowski at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 23 11:56:43 2010
From: z_mikowski at yahoo.com (Michael Mikowski)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:56:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] supplemental memory?
In-Reply-To: <4145b6791003230827k66898b91p2028f0b0ebc3f5f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <497425542.22079871269352703342.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
	<1227497718.22088011269354340441.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
	<b02c40e91003230755r1438acbr21d9ad97f512a8e6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4145b6791003230827k66898b91p2028f0b0ebc3f5f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <760330.87981.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Exactly.

SATA disk will be faster than USB2 memory devices for sequential writes (e.g. larger files).  This is guaranteed due the speed advantage the SATA has over USB2.

Now for random reads, seek time is much lower with memory cards, typically 1ms vs 10ms.  So putting swap on a USB stick will either improve your performance (if the disk is making many small reads), or hurt it.   Given the way Linux pages to swap to the disk, I would put odds on the latter.

Now if you want the best of both worlds, buy a SATA interface memory devices; they are called SSD's.  Last I looked, 256GB ran around ~$800.  But great for database servers.

Cheers, Mike  



----- Original Message ----
From: Robert Citek <robert.citek at gmail.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 8:27:11 AM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] supplemental memory?

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com> wrote:
> They are memory.  FLASH memory is faster than hard drives and much
> slower than RAM but with a limited write cycle life.

I had always thought that flash would be faster than a hard drive
until I did a write test on a USB stick:

$ wtest () { dd if=/dev/zero of=zeros bs=1M count=$1 ; sync ; } ; sync
; time -p wtest 100
100+0 records in
100+0 records out
104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 7.38919 s, 14.2 MB/s
real 20.27
user 0.00
sys 0.63

The write same on my internal harddrive:

$ wtest () { dd if=/dev/zero of=zeros bs=1M count=$1 ; sync ; } ; sync
; time -p wtest 100
100+0 records in
100+0 records out
104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 1.68022 s, 62.4 MB/s
real 3.90
user 0.00
sys 0.63

The hard drive is about 5x faster.  Fairly consistent over multiple tests, too.

Regards,
- Robert
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From robert.citek at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 12:39:06 2010
From: robert.citek at gmail.com (Robert Citek)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:39:06 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] supplemental memory?
In-Reply-To: <760330.87981.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <497425542.22079871269352703342.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
	<1227497718.22088011269354340441.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
	<b02c40e91003230755r1438acbr21d9ad97f512a8e6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4145b6791003230827k66898b91p2028f0b0ebc3f5f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<760330.87981.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4145b6791003230939u267c6a92yf7119ab5ad0ffef7@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Michael Mikowski <z_mikowski at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Now for random reads, seek time is much lower with memory cards, typically 1ms vs 10ms. ?So putting swap on a USB stick will either improve your performance (if the disk is making many small reads), or hurt it. ? Given the way Linux pages to swap to the disk, I would put odds on the latter.

If we assume the total write time is the seek time plus the actual
write time, then given 1 MB of data the total time for flash would be
201ms (=1ms + 200ms) and for my drive would be 50ms (=10ms + 40ms).
There would have to be a lot of very small writes for flash to improve
performance.

Has anyone seen a case where flash (i.e. USB stick or SD card or
similar) has faster write performance than a hard drive?

Even when reading data I get better speeds from a hard drive, although
the drive is now only 2x faster than flash.

Regards,
- Robert


From awilliam at opengroupware.us  Tue Mar 23 12:45:45 2010
From: awilliam at opengroupware.us (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:45:45 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] supplemental memory?
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e91003230755r1438acbr21d9ad97f512a8e6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <497425542.22079871269352703342.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
	<1227497718.22088011269354340441.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
	<b02c40e91003230755r1438acbr21d9ad97f512a8e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1269362745.3735.30.camel@linux-pqce.site>

On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 10:55 -0400, Jeff Hanson wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Dean Durant <mdlug at wowway.com> wrote:
> > Hello, I've gotten to wondering if it's possible to use other
> devices as memory, like a usb stick, or pcmcia, or even like these
> little camera memory chips or whatever. This guy where I work has this
> little tiny chip that he says is 2 GB of storage. It's like half the
> size of my thumbnail, and not too much thicker. I was amazed when I
> saw it.
> They are memory.  FLASH memory is faster than hard drives

This is not necessarily true.  Benchmarking thumb drives, flash cards,
etc... shows a wide, if not huge, performance spread.  And in any case:
if it connects via USB then your SATA drive is going to be faster.

> > and much slower than RAM but with a limited write cycle life.
> > And so what I mean is during boot, if the kernel sees some sort of 
> > high speed storage, can it use that to load programs or anything?

This isn't possible.

> > I know this is a vague question. This is something a legacy OS
> offered a couple years back or so they claimed. I don't know how well
> it worked.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReadyBoost

It didn't work;  certainly not as you describe.  It merely used the
device's capacity as a file-system cache.  Which may or may not have
been much of a win;  given that it is essentially forgotten I think it
is safe to assume "not win".

> > If this were possible, I'm thinking I could do things with my old
> laptop that might be really slow using virtual. Right now I have damn
> small on my laptop, and it runs well. I just need to upgrade the
> kernel, get the right wireless device, and see if I can upgrade
> firefox, and then it will be perfect for my purposes.

If the chip costs you $40 and you can get a new laptop for $399 - that
chip is already 10% the cost of replacing the laptop.  Replacing the
laptop is where you will reap big performance improvements.

> It will be faster until the FLASH wears out.  The only thing better
> than RAM is faster RAM or more RAM.




From petertheplumber at att.net  Tue Mar 23 13:34:35 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:34:35 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Free Stuff
Message-ID: <20100323133435.76fd6992@Nokia-N800-43-7>

Looks like rack mounted equipment, cd, floppy and tape drive in front.
Along with four empty bays in front. Looks like two power supplies in
back. Prod code KHDHSRPU, TA No A27155-001, other numbers A27330-001
ET. Four pieces. I'm on a job picking up, will dumpster dive if somone
has an interest.

-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber
Sent from a mobile Internet Tablet


From tony at bemushosting.com  Tue Mar 23 13:42:31 2010
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:42:31 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Free Stuff
Message-ID: <0Mh9uD-1OGJi01llx-00MNAq@mrelay.perfora.net>

Oh I would like it!

Tony Bemus
Sent from my smartphone

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Bart <petertheplumber at att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 1:34 PM
To: Metro Detroit Linux Users Group <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] Free Stuff

Looks like rack mounted equipment, cd, floppy and tape drive in front.
Along with four empty bays in front. Looks like two power supplies in
back. Prod code KHDHSRPU, TA No A27155-001, other numbers A27330-001
ET. Four pieces. I'm on a job picking up, will dumpster dive if somone
has an interest.

-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber
Sent from a mobile Internet Tablet
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From petertheplumber at att.net  Tue Mar 23 13:50:25 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:50:25 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Free Stuff
In-Reply-To: <0Mh9uD-1OGJi01llx-00MNAq@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <0Mh9uD-1OGJi01llx-00MNAq@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <20100323135025.22f89bf7@Nokia-N800-43-7>

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:42:31 -0400
Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:

> Oh I would like it!
> 
> Tony Bemus
> Sent from my smartphone
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Bart <petertheplumber at att.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 1:34 PM
> To: Metro Detroit Linux Users Group <mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: [mdlug] Free Stuff
> 
> Looks like rack mounted equipment, cd, floppy and tape drive in front.
> Along with four empty bays in front. Looks like two power supplies in
> back. Prod code KHDHSRPU, TA No A27155-001, other numbers A27330-001
> ET. Four pieces. I'm on a job picking up, will dumpster dive if somone
> has an interest.
> 

They're yours! Details to follow

-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber
Sent from a mobile Internet Tablet


From fulner at alumni.nmu.edu  Tue Mar 23 16:43:10 2010
From: fulner at alumni.nmu.edu (Robert Jim Fulner)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:43:10 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CloneZilla
Message-ID: <c768576f1003231343g11194f88pcf53e2668ddff759@mail.gmail.com>

Have any of you guys ever used Clonezilla? http://www.clonezilla.org/

It looks like just what I'm looking for. All of my
experience/experimentation with GNU/Linux has always been either off of Live
Media or full hard disk installs. I've never dual booted, I recently have
come into a laptop running XP, that Unfortunately I need to keep for some of
the course I'm taking at OCC that require Windoze software that not run so
good in WINE. So I've got that excuse for an operating system working the
way I want to, and I wanted to find a way to save that configuration before
I start playing with various dual boot scenarios. Unfortunately my hard disk
isn't too big (20GB) and my RAM too isn't great (512MB) so I'm not sure if
my preferred distro, Mandraiva, is going to work well. I'm considering
playing with Arch Linux, but wanted to make sure it was easy to get back to
they way my XP set up if something is less than desirable is encountered.

Just looking for any of your experience with Clonezilla, or any better
solutions. Also any other insight on Arch, or a different distrios would be
welcome too. I'd like all my machines to be runnign a different distro, just
for the fun of it. Currently my desktop is running Debian, my XO OLPC of
course is Fedora (sort of) and my other laptop is Puppy Linux.



**
--
Jim Fulner
The DetroitLibertyPenguin
Promoting Free Minds, Free Markets and Free Software
*and whenever possible Free Beer
*"For as long as one of your brothers is not free, none of you are free"
248-765-7458 (cell)
http://www.facebook.com/jim.fulner


From mat.enders at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 16:49:59 2010
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:49:59 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] CloneZilla
In-Reply-To: <c768576f1003231343g11194f88pcf53e2668ddff759@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c768576f1003231343g11194f88pcf53e2668ddff759@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <649098100-1269377399-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1360942277-@bda326.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I use clonezilla to image machines at the school all the time and it works great
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Jim Fulner <fulner at alumni.nmu.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:43:10 
To: MDLUG<mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] CloneZilla

Have any of you guys ever used Clonezilla? http://www.clonezilla.org/

It looks like just what I'm looking for. All of my
experience/experimentation with GNU/Linux has always been either off of Live
Media or full hard disk installs. I've never dual booted, I recently have
come into a laptop running XP, that Unfortunately I need to keep for some of
the course I'm taking at OCC that require Windoze software that not run so
good in WINE. So I've got that excuse for an operating system working the
way I want to, and I wanted to find a way to save that configuration before
I start playing with various dual boot scenarios. Unfortunately my hard disk
isn't too big (20GB) and my RAM too isn't great (512MB) so I'm not sure if
my preferred distro, Mandraiva, is going to work well. I'm considering
playing with Arch Linux, but wanted to make sure it was easy to get back to
they way my XP set up if something is less than desirable is encountered.

Just looking for any of your experience with Clonezilla, or any better
solutions. Also any other insight on Arch, or a different distrios would be
welcome too. I'd like all my machines to be runnign a different distro, just
for the fun of it. Currently my desktop is running Debian, my XO OLPC of
course is Fedora (sort of) and my other laptop is Puppy Linux.



**
--
Jim Fulner
The DetroitLibertyPenguin
Promoting Free Minds, Free Markets and Free Software
*and whenever possible Free Beer
*"For as long as one of your brothers is not free, none of you are free"
248-765-7458 (cell)
http://www.facebook.com/jim.fulner
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From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 17:02:27 2010
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:02:27 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CloneZilla
In-Reply-To: <c768576f1003231343g11194f88pcf53e2668ddff759@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c768576f1003231343g11194f88pcf53e2668ddff759@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e91003231402w2a822744o48ea6cc82788bb11@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Robert Jim Fulner
<fulner at alumni.nmu.edu> wrote:
> Have any of you guys ever used Clonezilla? http://www.clonezilla.org/
>

I think I've used it on the Parted Magic distro.  Works well enough with XP.
http://partedmagic.com


From petertheplumber at att.net  Tue Mar 23 17:11:45 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:11:45 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Free Stuff P3 700Mghz Servers
In-Reply-To: <20100323133435.76fd6992@Nokia-N800-43-7>
References: <20100323133435.76fd6992@Nokia-N800-43-7>
Message-ID: <20100323171145.7c003c14@Nokia-N800-43-7>

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:34:35 -0400
Peter Bart <petertheplumber at att.net> wrote:

> Looks like rack mounted equipment, cd, floppy and tape drive in front.
> Along with four empty bays in front. Looks like two power supplies in
> back. Prod code KHDHSRPU, TA No A27155-001, other numbers A27330-001
> ET. Four pieces. I'm on a job picking up, will dumpster dive if somone
> has an interest.
> 

    Turns out these are servers. I have three more I liberated, two
    with SCSI cards. One has some ram in it. First come first serve!

-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber
Sent from a mobile Internet Tablet


From mark.stanislav at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 18:31:23 2010
From: mark.stanislav at gmail.com (Mark Stanislav)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:31:23 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CloneZilla
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e91003231402w2a822744o48ea6cc82788bb11@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c768576f1003231343g11194f88pcf53e2668ddff759@mail.gmail.com> 
	<b02c40e91003231402w2a822744o48ea6cc82788bb11@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c8b98b91003231531l79eaa5c3h960156faf6ff5996@mail.gmail.com>

Really big fan of Clonezilla. Used it to do image testing for a distro
I was building for a company. I found it flexible and easy to use.

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Robert Jim Fulner
> <fulner at alumni.nmu.edu> wrote:
>> Have any of you guys ever used Clonezilla? http://www.clonezilla.org/
>>
>
> I think I've used it on the Parted Magic distro. ?Works well enough with XP.
> http://partedmagic.com
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From robert.citek at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 23:12:06 2010
From: robert.citek at gmail.com (Robert Citek)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:12:06 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CloneZilla
In-Reply-To: <c768576f1003231343g11194f88pcf53e2668ddff759@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c768576f1003231343g11194f88pcf53e2668ddff759@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4145b6791003232012mc2d6f82q8af3c9401ffda2bf@mail.gmail.com>

Good move on thinking about backing up your data before touching the disk.

While you may have your heart set on resizing and repartitioning for a
dual boot, another option would be to use an external USB drive.

About a year ago I had a company laptop on which I was not allowed to
install anything on WinXP.  Yet the projects I was working on required
a full Linux install.  The ideal setup would have been to install a
VM.  But since that was out of the question, my solution was to change
the boot order in the BIOS, install Linux on an extern USB drive, and
make the USB drive bootable.  In the ends, the internal hard drive
stayed virgin and I was able to get the projects completed.  Here are
some photos of the setup:

http://picasaweb.google.com/Robert.Citek/USBDrive#

Good luck on whatever path you take and please let us know how it goes.

Regards,
- Robert

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Robert Jim Fulner
<fulner at alumni.nmu.edu> wrote:
> It looks like just what I'm looking for. All of my
> experience/experimentation with GNU/Linux has always been either off of Live
> Media or full hard disk installs. I've never dual booted, I recently have
> come into a laptop running XP, that Unfortunately I need to keep for some of
> the course I'm taking at OCC that require Windoze software that not run so
> good in WINE. So I've got that excuse for an operating system working the
> way I want to, and I wanted to find a way to save that configuration before
> I start playing with various dual boot scenarios. Unfortunately my hard disk
> isn't too big (20GB) and my RAM too isn't great (512MB) so I'm not sure if
> my preferred distro, Mandraiva, is going to work well. I'm considering
> playing with Arch Linux, but wanted to make sure it was easy to get back to
> they way my XP set up if something is less than desirable is encountered.
>
> Just looking for any of your experience with Clonezilla, or any better
> solutions. Also any other insight on Arch, or a different distrios would be
> welcome too. I'd like all my machines to be runnign a different distro, just
> for the fun of it. Currently my desktop is running Debian, my XO OLPC of
> course is Fedora (sort of) and my other laptop is Puppy Linux.


From matthew at lechleider.com  Wed Mar 24 18:13:02 2010
From: matthew at lechleider.com (Matthew Lechleider)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:13:02 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Drupal Jam Chicago is this Saturday! (all day!)
Message-ID: <4BAA8E6E.101@lechleider.com>

CDMUG's Spring Jam is this Saturday and today is the last day to request 
catering. Registering by midnight tonight is the only way to ensure the 
super special gourmet food provided by Sasha Ruge of Chef's Palette. 
Register early to guarantee Internet access which requires each attendee 
to utilize a university user login account.

We are excited to see attendees traveling from all over the midwest. The 
entire CDMUG community is looking forward to hanging out with everyone 
all day on Saturday. If you have any questions, comments, want to 
sponsor, or can help out in any way, let us know - 
http://jam.cdmug.org/contact

The goal for Jam is to keep all skill levels entertained throughout the 
entire day.


.oO0-Presentations-0Oo.
If you are an advanced Drupal nerd looking for presentations on cutting 
edge topics, look no further. We are proud to present seven Drupal 7 
presentations until 7:00 pm.

10:00 - 11:30 Intro To Drupal 7 Presented By: Larry Garfield
11:45 - 12:30 Themes in Drupal 7 Presented By: Brandon Morrison
1:30 - 3:00 Fields/CCK and Views with Drupal 7 Presented By: Doug Vann
3:15 - 4:00 Drupal 7 API Presented By: Larry Garfield
4:15 - 5:00 Shopping Cart Systems Presented By: Ruben Rodriguez
5:00 - 6:00 Accessibility in Drupal 7 Presented By: Katherine Lynch
6:00 - 7:00 Mystery Session Presented By: Un Known


.oO0-Workshops-0Oo.
New users are encouraged to participate in one of our two workshops: 
"Drupal for Everyone" or "Drupal for Designers". Both workshops will 
start as an introduction to Drupal, but people interested design/themes 
will gain more from "Drupal For Designers".

10:30 - 12:30 Introduction and Basics
12:30 - 1:30 Break for Lunch
1:30 - 3:30 Lecture, demonstrations, and hands-on examples.
3:30 - 4:00 Q&A

Workshop 1: Introduction to Drupal For Everyone
Instructors: Matthew Lechleider & Sean Charles

Workshop 2: Introduction to Drupal For Designers
Instructors:Hans Riemenschneider & Bob Snodgrass


.oO0-DrupalconSF Contest-0Oo.
Friday March 26th 7:00 pm is the deadline to enter our Drupalcon San 
Francisco contest. During lunch we will bring the top 5 finalists on 
stage for Drupalympics. One winner will receive a sponsorship for their 
trip to Drupalcon, compliments of CDMUG and Trellon. After registering 
for the Jam, be sure to fill out an entry form at 
http://jam.cdmug.org/contest


http://jam.cdmug.org

Event Registration - http://jam.cdmug.org/user/registration


- Matthew at Lechleider.com



From petertheplumber at att.net  Wed Mar 24 23:28:55 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 23:28:55 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Dell Optiplex GX520 Won't Boot From CD
Message-ID: <1269487735.10435.386.camel@plumber-notebook.site>

Hi Everyone,
	Ok, so it's been my week to dumpster dive. I rescued the Dell from
another dumpster, thinking I might be able to resurrect it as a Linux
box for my coworker whose XP machine is on it's last legs. I'm able to
get into the BIOS look around and change things. I see the hard drive,
cd/dvd drive, and floppy are all recognized and enabled in the boot
order and elsewhere in the BIOS. It tries to boot XP but stops at a blue
screen very shortly after the Windows splash. Booting from CD yields
nothing, not even a hum from the drive although the idiot light comes
on. I can boot from the floppy; go figure; using an old DSL boot floppy
I have. This just gets me into a very limited shell, I would need to
bone up on that. I unplugged the computer, opened it up and pulled and
reseated the drive connectors. I pulled and reset; after several
minutes; the CMOS battery. I pulled on the drive power connectors, but
when they didn't easily come out settled for firmly seating them. Still
no luck. I'm going to try an external CD drive, if I can find one.
	My questions are: Does anyone know that this is a known issue that I
just haven't found out about? Might it be worth the time to work on it a
bit more?
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From z_mikowski at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 24 23:38:57 2010
From: z_mikowski at yahoo.com (Michael Mikowski)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 20:38:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Dell Optiplex GX520 Won't Boot From CD
In-Reply-To: <1269487735.10435.386.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
References: <1269487735.10435.386.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
Message-ID: <990526.10868.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Maybe reset the BIOS?  If you haven't done it before, its typically done with a jumper on the mobo.

Cheers, Mike




----- Original Message ----
From: Peter Bart <petertheplumber at att.net>
To: MDLUG Main List <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 8:28:55 PM
Subject: [mdlug] Dell Optiplex GX520 Won't Boot From CD

Hi Everyone,
    Ok, so it's been my week to dumpster dive. I rescued the Dell from
another dumpster, thinking I might be able to resurrect it as a Linux
box for my coworker whose XP machine is on it's last legs. I'm able to
get into the BIOS look around and change things. I see the hard drive,
cd/dvd drive, and floppy are all recognized and enabled in the boot
order and elsewhere in the BIOS. It tries to boot XP but stops at a blue
screen very shortly after the Windows splash. Booting from CD yields
nothing, not even a hum from the drive although the idiot light comes
on. I can boot from the floppy; go figure; using an old DSL boot floppy
I have. This just gets me into a very limited shell, I would need to
bone up on that. I unplugged the computer, opened it up and pulled and
reseated the drive connectors. I pulled and reset; after several
minutes; the CMOS battery. I pulled on the drive power connectors, but
when they didn't easily come out settled for firmly seating them. Still
no luck. I'm going to try an external CD drive, if I can find one.
    My questions are: Does anyone know that this is a known issue that I
just haven't found out about? Might it be worth the time to work on it a
bit more?
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber

_______________________________________________
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From jbroughton at twmi.rr.com  Wed Mar 24 23:43:55 2010
From: jbroughton at twmi.rr.com (Jim Broughton)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 23:43:55 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Dell Optiplex GX520 Won't Boot From CD
In-Reply-To: <1269487735.10435.386.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
References: <1269487735.10435.386.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
Message-ID: <4BAADBFB.2070608@twmi.rr.com>

CD drives fail all the time. Pull a CD drive from some other computer
and see if it works. Kind of irks me that they fail so much. Been through
at least 6 in the last 10 years. (includes CDRW drives and DVD drives as 
well).

Jim



Peter Bart wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> 	Ok, so it's been my week to dumpster dive. I rescued the Dell from
> another dumpster, thinking I might be able to resurrect it as a Linux
> box for my coworker whose XP machine is on it's last legs. I'm able to
> get into the BIOS look around and change things. I see the hard drive,
> cd/dvd drive, and floppy are all recognized and enabled in the boot
> order and elsewhere in the BIOS. It tries to boot XP but stops at a blue
> screen very shortly after the Windows splash. Booting from CD yields
> nothing, not even a hum from the drive although the idiot light comes
> on. I can boot from the floppy; go figure; using an old DSL boot floppy
> I have. This just gets me into a very limited shell, I would need to
> bone up on that. I unplugged the computer, opened it up and pulled and
> reseated the drive connectors. I pulled and reset; after several
> minutes; the CMOS battery. I pulled on the drive power connectors, but
> when they didn't easily come out settled for firmly seating them. Still
> no luck. I'm going to try an external CD drive, if I can find one.
> 	My questions are: Does anyone know that this is a known issue that I
> just haven't found out about? Might it be worth the time to work on it a
> bit more?
>   



From tesral at wowway.com  Wed Mar 24 23:31:52 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 23:31:52 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Dell Optiplex GX520 Won't Boot From CD
In-Reply-To: <1269487735.10435.386.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
References: <1269487735.10435.386.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
Message-ID: <4BAAD928.2060603@wowway.com>

Peter Bart wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> 	My questions are: Does anyone know that this is a known issue that I
> just haven't found out about? Might it be worth the time to work on it a
> bit more?
>   

Put it back in the dumpster?

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it -- and stop there -- lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove-lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove-lid again, and that is well; but also she will never sit down on a cold one any more. -Mark Twain
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From petertheplumber at att.net  Wed Mar 24 23:51:47 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 23:51:47 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Dell Optiplex GX520 Won't Boot From CD
In-Reply-To: <4BAAD928.2060603@wowway.com>
References: <1269487735.10435.386.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
	<4BAAD928.2060603@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <1269489107.10435.387.camel@plumber-notebook.site>

On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 23:31 -0400, Garry Stahl wrote:
> Peter Bart wrote:
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > 	My questions are: Does anyone know that this is a known issue that I
> > just haven't found out about? Might it be worth the time to work on it a
> > bit more?
> >   
> 
> Put it back in the dumpster?
> 
	See, I like that idea!! I should have simply dropped that broken old
toilet on it to begin with!!!
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From robert.citek at gmail.com  Thu Mar 25 15:52:59 2010
From: robert.citek at gmail.com (Robert Citek)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:52:59 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] mount NTFS partition as user
Message-ID: <4145b6791003251252j7d91d5f2rf86f7efe0cdfe708@mail.gmail.com>

I'm running Ubuntu 9.04 and have an Windows NTFS partition on a USB
drive.  When I plug the USB drive into my machine, I can mount the
drive by clicking on Places > WindowsXP and Ubuntu will mount the
drive at /media/WindowsXP.  How can I accomplish the same at the
command line?  That is, how can I as a user mount the WindowsXP
partition to /media/WindowsXP?

The command pmount used to work for this, but I am having two issues
with pmount.  First, I need to know the partition, which means I need
to use blkid to figure out which partition has the label WindowsXP.
Second, pmount complains that my WindowsXP is not removable.

The alternative is to use this:

$ mkdir /media/WindowsXP && sudo mount $(sudo blkid | grep WindowsXP |
cut -d: -f1) WindowsXP

although that's not very elegant.

Any nicer suggestions?

BTW, I'm having the same issue with Ubuntu 8.04 and 8.10.

Regards,
- Robert


From devanhoe at gmail.com  Thu Mar 25 16:38:06 2010
From: devanhoe at gmail.com (Dennis VanHoey)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:38:06 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] mount NTFS partition as user
In-Reply-To: <4145b6791003251252j7d91d5f2rf86f7efe0cdfe708@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4145b6791003251252j7d91d5f2rf86f7efe0cdfe708@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <615fa0ed1003251338m47cca20bpdd021353d8a09880@mail.gmail.com>

would autofs [http://www.autofs.org/] suffice? Then mounting is automated
and would be available in either case.

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Robert Citek <robert.citek at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm running Ubuntu 9.04 and have an Windows NTFS partition on a USB
> drive.  When I plug the USB drive into my machine, I can mount the
> drive by clicking on Places > WindowsXP and Ubuntu will mount the
> drive at /media/WindowsXP.  How can I accomplish the same at the
> command line?  That is, how can I as a user mount the WindowsXP
> partition to /media/WindowsXP?
>
> The command pmount used to work for this, but I am having two issues
> with pmount.  First, I need to know the partition, which means I need
> to use blkid to figure out which partition has the label WindowsXP.
> Second, pmount complains that my WindowsXP is not removable.
>
> The alternative is to use this:
>
> $ mkdir /media/WindowsXP && sudo mount $(sudo blkid | grep WindowsXP |
> cut -d: -f1) WindowsXP
>
> although that's not very elegant.
>
> Any nicer suggestions?
>
> BTW, I'm having the same issue with Ubuntu 8.04 and 8.10.
>
> Regards,
> - Robert
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>


From robert.citek at gmail.com  Thu Mar 25 16:58:20 2010
From: robert.citek at gmail.com (Robert Citek)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:58:20 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] mount NTFS partition as user
In-Reply-To: <615fa0ed1003251338m47cca20bpdd021353d8a09880@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4145b6791003251252j7d91d5f2rf86f7efe0cdfe708@mail.gmail.com>
	<615fa0ed1003251338m47cca20bpdd021353d8a09880@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4145b6791003251358m56c5470fv42fbe54300e30f39@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Dennis VanHoey <devanhoe at gmail.com> wrote:
> would autofs [http://www.autofs.org/] suffice? Then mounting is automated
> and would be available in either case.

That would work, but it's a bit clumsy.

I guess I'm just curious to know how Nautilus does it and then try to
mimic that at the command line.

Regards,
- Robert


From petertheplumber at att.net  Thu Mar 25 17:50:56 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:50:56 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Dell Optiplex GX520 Won't Boot From CD
In-Reply-To: <4BAADBFB.2070608@twmi.rr.com>
References: <1269487735.10435.386.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
	<4BAADBFB.2070608@twmi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1269553856.10435.458.camel@plumber-notebook.site>

On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 23:43 -0400, Jim Broughton wrote:
> CD drives fail all the time. Pull a CD drive from some other computer
> and see if it works. Kind of irks me that they fail so much. Been through
> at least 6 in the last 10 years. (includes CDRW drives and DVD drives as 
> well).
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> Peter Bart wrote:
> > Hi Everyone,
> > 	Ok, so it's been my week to dumpster dive. I rescued the Dell from
> > another dumpster, thinking I might be able to resurrect it as a Linux
> > box for my coworker whose XP machine is on it's last legs. I'm able to
> > get into the BIOS look around and change things. I see the hard drive,
> > cd/dvd drive, and floppy are all recognized and enabled in the boot
> > order and elsewhere in the BIOS. It tries to boot XP but stops at a blue
> > screen very shortly after the Windows splash. Booting from CD yields
> > nothing, not even a hum from the drive although the idiot light comes
> > on. I can boot from the floppy; go figure; using an old DSL boot floppy
> > I have. This just gets me into a very limited shell, I would need to
> > bone up on that. I unplugged the computer, opened it up and pulled and
> > reseated the drive connectors. I pulled and reset; after several
> > minutes; the CMOS battery. I pulled on the drive power connectors, but
> > when they didn't easily come out settled for firmly seating them. Still
> > no luck. I'm going to try an external CD drive, if I can find one.
> > 	My questions are: Does anyone know that this is a known issue that I
> > just haven't found out about? Might it be worth the time to work on it a
> > bit more?
> >   
> 
	And that's what it was. I've got it running a rescue disk taking a look
around. I'm planning on putting Xubuntu on it even though it has two
cores. It's supposed to be a Pentium D 800mhz, which the BIOS confirms.
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From devanhoe at gmail.com  Thu Mar 25 18:04:18 2010
From: devanhoe at gmail.com (Dennis VanHoey)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:04:18 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] mount NTFS partition as user
In-Reply-To: <4145b6791003251358m56c5470fv42fbe54300e30f39@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4145b6791003251252j7d91d5f2rf86f7efe0cdfe708@mail.gmail.com>
	<615fa0ed1003251338m47cca20bpdd021353d8a09880@mail.gmail.com>
	<4145b6791003251358m56c5470fv42fbe54300e30f39@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <615fa0ed1003251504h706a213btec234f0235ae9331@mail.gmail.com>

My brain wants to say that its a wrapper around gvfs-mount, but its been
over two years since I last had to fiddle with a file system.

[http://www.unix.com/man-page/All/1/gvfs-mount/]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Robert Citek <robert.citek at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Dennis VanHoey <devanhoe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > would autofs [http://www.autofs.org/] suffice? Then mounting is
> automated
> > and would be available in either case.
>
> That would work, but it's a bit clumsy.
>
> I guess I'm just curious to know how Nautilus does it and then try to
> mimic that at the command line.
>
> Regards,
> - Robert
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>


From petertheplumber at att.net  Fri Mar 26 10:05:56 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:05:56 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Smartctl Reports Errors on HDD
Message-ID: <1269612356.10435.560.camel@plumber-notebook.site>

Hi Everyone,
	So I have my garbage machine with a new DVD drive in it and ran
Smartctl from the Parted Magic boot disc. Smartctl consistently reports
errors at the same point, and general health as passed. Which would be
confirmed by the original OS failing to boot and blue screening at the
same point each time? At any rate, I think I understand I need to write
to the corrupted sector to force the hard drive to permanently not use
that sector. I have the smartctl output, and the bad block howto from
their website. Zeroing the drive using dd seems to accomplish the same
thing, I'm assuming here at the expense of time.
	Time I do have, I can set the machine to running with dd and go do
other things. And yes I know drives are cheap. I don't really want to
spend anymore than absolutely necessary. I've allready replaced the DVD
burner, and toyed with the idea of adding to the 1gb of ram.
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From robert.citek at gmail.com  Fri Mar 26 15:47:15 2010
From: robert.citek at gmail.com (Robert Citek)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:47:15 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Fwd: [ubuntu-us-mi] Ubuntu Global Jam - Michigan Style!
In-Reply-To: <20100316205458.GF3557@grossmeier.net>
References: <20100316205458.GF3557@grossmeier.net>
Message-ID: <4145b6791003261247k1b491635p7f991d56287d4d65@mail.gmail.com>

Thought folks here might be interested.  For those on Facebook, here's
a link to the event:

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=107688175925514

Regards,
- Robert

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Greg Grossmeier <greg at grossmeier.net>
Date: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 4:54 PM
Subject: [ubuntu-us-mi] Ubuntu Global Jam - Michigan Style!
To: Michigan Ubuntu Local Community Team <ubuntu-us-mi at lists.ubuntu.com>


Hello Everyone!

That's right, the Michigan LoCo is participating in the Ubuntu Global Jam
and we'll be getting together on the East side of the state at the
Clinton-Macomb Public Library.

What is a Global Jam? Lets quote from the wiki page:
The Ubuntu Global Jam is an incredible opportunity for the Ubuntu
community to unite together around the weekend of 26th - 28th March 2010
to work together to improve Ubuntu. Everyone is able to contribute to the
Jam, and everyone is welcome and encouraged to get involved. Curious
about how to make a real difference to Ubuntu? This is a great chance to
make that difference.

The Ubuntu Global Jam incorporates events that have been organized over
the world to get Ubuntu contributors and fans together to have a great
time and improve Ubuntu.

From: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam

For more information and to register, please go here:
http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/38/detail/
(you'll need a Launchpad account to register)

Hope to see a lot of new faces!

Best,

Greg

--
| ? ? ? Greg Grossmeier |
| http://grossmeier.net |

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From al at bighealey.org  Sun Mar 28 22:26:41 2010
From: al at bighealey.org (Al Fuller)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 22:26:41 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Droid - micro usb
In-Reply-To: <9199bfb1003220727o52ab715ej9e105a36e82ba989@mail.gmail.com>
References: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370492B56F@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<9199bfb1003220727o52ab715ej9e105a36e82ba989@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003801cacee7$4521ca10$cf655e30$@org>

I think I read that all the mobile phone devices, and maybe a host of others
too, are going to micro-usb as a standard.  The government was pushing them,
and may have set up a standard [I haven't looked it up...].

In any event, I had the same problem you have [lots of mini-usb, no micro
usb laying around] - but decided to just move forward, as opposed to taking
the device backwards...

Al Fuller
al at bighealey.org
'62 BT-7
'65 BJ-8
'85 Rx-7


-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of
Bradley McMahon
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 10:28 AM
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Droid report

If the microusb really bugs you get a female mini-usb surface mountable
connector and replace the micro usb. Sure you'll void your warranty but heck
you don't own it unless you mod it.
-Brad



On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Ingles, Raymond <
Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com> wrote:

>
>  I've had my Droid phone for close to a week, and figured I'd give a
> little report on it.
>
>  Hardware-wise, it's awfully good. The screen is beautiful. The camera
> takes decent pictures and good video. The speakers are entirely
> competent and the sound is good through headphones. The keyboard isn't
> quite as good as the rest of it, but it's perfectly serviceable, or will
> be once I've messed with the software a little. The micro-USB hookup is
> mildly annoying; I have a ton of mini-USB cables laying around, but only
> the micro-USB cable that came with the Droid, for now. (Anyone know a
> cheap source of micro-USB cables?)
>
>  The software is pretty good. Definitely some rough edges, but workable.
> The internet functions are solid: the browser's very usable, email works
> fine, etc. Had no trouble hooking up to my 802.11g WAP, etc. I was able
> to find SSH and VNC clients; haven't tried the VNC client yet, but the
> SSH client did well.
>
>  Downloaded a few games and toys, enjoyable enough. I've managed to move
> over my contacts and secured passwords from my Treo with some conversion
> tools. Still working on the calendar, but it looks doable - I found a
> Perl script to convert a Palm calendar to iCal format, and that should
> be importable once I remove some personal entries.
>
>  Video plays very well on this device. With an 854x480 screen, there's
> room for every single pixel on a DVD. I've put together some scripts
> that convert DVDs and videos for viewing on the Droid (which doesn't
> like the AVI or FLV formats but seems happy with MP4) and the results
> are a joy to behold. Commuting on the bus is going to be even more
> entertaining now. F/X blockbusters were a little anemic at 320x240 (to
> fit on the Treo's 320x320 screen) but on the Droid they look beautiful.
>
>  There are several programs that I need to write. First up, to my
> surprise, is a decent text editor. I figured out how to cut and paste,
> but none of the free text editors I've looked at support search or
> replace, nor jumping to a particular point in a file. Fortunately,
> development doesn't look too hard.
>
>  The second thing up is a modification to keyboard input. On the Treo,
> there was a utility called "KeyCaps" that sped up typing considerably.
> Hold a key for a brief time (I had it set to 1/4 sec) and you'd get the
> capital letter. Double-tap within a set time (again, 1/4 sec for me),
> and you'd get the punctuation character. Not having to chord keys on a
> small keyboard is very useful, and makes a surprising difference in
> typing speed and ease.
>
>  I want to make a client for my "Ostiary" program, of course, and an
> encrypted, secure diary/journal program.
>
>  After that, I figure it should be possible to port the old "Maelstrom"
> game (Asteroids clone from the original color Macs) without too much
> trouble. By the time I've got all the above under my belt, I should be
> ready to port a BZflag client that uses the accelerometers for
> steering...
>
>  Sincerely,
>
>  Ray Ingles                                    (313) 227-2317
>
>   "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right;
>        and if wrong, to be set right." - Carl Schurz
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From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Mon Mar 29 09:15:40 2010
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:15:40 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Smartctl Reports Errors on HDD
In-Reply-To: <1269612356.10435.560.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
References: <1269612356.10435.560.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
Message-ID: <9FB6372000B099469B46478B643EE4690224DDE016@EXCCRVS1.mi.corp.rockfin.com>

Does the smartctl output tell you which block is bad?  If so, you could use dd with the
skip= parameter to seek out the bad block and destroy it.  In a hard drive bad block 
mapping sense, of course. :)



-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Peter Bart
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 10:06 AM
To: MDLUG Main List
Subject: [mdlug] Smartctl Reports Errors on HDD

Hi Everyone,
	So I have my garbage machine with a new DVD drive in it and ran
Smartctl from the Parted Magic boot disc. Smartctl consistently reports
errors at the same point, and general health as passed. Which would be
confirmed by the original OS failing to boot and blue screening at the
same point each time? At any rate, I think I understand I need to write
to the corrupted sector to force the hard drive to permanently not use
that sector. I have the smartctl output, and the bad block howto from
their website. Zeroing the drive using dd seems to accomplish the same
thing, I'm assuming here at the expense of time.
	Time I do have, I can set the machine to running with dd and go do
other things. And yes I know drives are cheap. I don't really want to
spend anymore than absolutely necessary. I've allready replaced the DVD
burner, and toyed with the idea of adding to the 1gb of ram.
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber

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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 29 15:03:24 2010
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:03:24 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [Offtopic] Commodore,
 the same company behind the Commodore 64, is back.]
Message-ID: <4BB0F97C.7020407@gmail.com>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Offtopic] Commodore, the same company behind the Commodore 64,	is back.
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:46:39 -0400
From: Fred A. Miller <fmiller at lightlink.com>
Reply-To: fmiller at lightlink.com
To: Lew's Off-Topic List <offtopic at sweet-haven.com>

http://www.commodoreusa.net/tech.html

Commodore, the same company behind the Commodore 64, is back.  Their
first major US product in decades is a feature rich all-in-one
keyboard PC pre-installed with Ubuntu Linux.

The unit comes with an Intel Core 2 Duo processor upgradeable to 3GHz
on an Intel G31 Express Chipset mobo that supports up to 4GB of
PC2-5300 667MHz&  PC2- 6400 800MHz DDR2 RAM.  Graphics are provided by
an Intel GMA 3100 and support for two displays.  Storage is done via
SATA2 with an option to upgrade to 2TBs, and there is also an option
for a removable HDD as well.  The computer can be expanded with 4 USB
2.0 slots, two serial port, PS/2 mouse&  keyboard ports, a parallel
printer port, and combined mini-PCI/PCI-e port.  Network is via
Gigabit LAN or optional Wi-Fi, which also includes a Bluetooth radio
as well.  Sound is provided by a Realtek AL888 High Definition Audio
which is Ubuntu compatible out of the box.  The optical drive can be a
standard DVD-RW or Blu-Ray drive.  The AMI BIOS supports booting from
USB devices, and the system has EFI support (meaning its Hackintosh
ready), and the full-sized keyboard features a laptop style touch pad
mouse.  Though the specs don't list it, in one of the images you can
clearly see what looks like a credit card swipe slot-reader.

The product isn't going to be officially rolled out until June.  The
biggest deal is this machine is the fact that its pre-installed with
Ubuntu by default and uses hardware that is very Linux friendly.  A
number of other operating systems are listed as being compatible.
They also say it can run Mac OS X, but you have to turn it into a
Hackintosh yourself and buy Mac OS X yourself.  This doesn't make them
legally liable to Apple, a smart move.

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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 29 15:04:20 2010
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:04:20 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: Re: [Offtopic] Commodore,
 the same company behind the Commodore 64, is back.]
Message-ID: <4BB0F9B4.8060503@gmail.com>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Offtopic] Commodore, the same company behind the Commodore 64, is back.
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 07:46:57 -0700
From: Tom Walker <tlwalker at nethere.com>
To: fmiller at lightlink.com
CC: Lew's Off-Topic List <offtopic at sweet-haven.com>
References: <4BAAA45F.8060405 at lightlink.com>

That is just the Use of the Name. they have NO connection to the old 
commodore computer people.
I found it interesting. The Keyboard computer lived on after Commodore 
departed the field but was a small nitch market until recently others, 
HP and Mac to name two, jumped into the market.
the old Commodore 128 was the only New prebuilt that I ever purchased. I 
picked it because of the CPM side of the machine and the ready 
availability of Osborne/KayPro software. Wordstar for CPM was my First 
Wordprocessor but I liked Runscript 128 quite a bit also. Even did my 
Taxes for a few years using Kaypro CPM tax software.
The most exciting thing seems to be it's Hanckirtosh capabilities.
there is a Canadian grade school computer teacher that put the Mac OS on 
his Netbook and is really impressed with it. He also has a real mac 
though so may be a little biased. But most anything beats windows and I 
am waiting for Ubuntu to grow into the common mans OS. IT is not really 
there yet, still has some driver and other issues,  but closer than most 
any other Linux distribution.
By the way in the Linux Fido Echo the word got out. THERE are more and 
more Linux virus writers coming on line as time passes so YOUR bragging 
days are numbered!!  :-)  :-).

Tom Walker

Fred A. Miller wrote:
> http://www.commodoreusa.net/tech.html
>
> Commodore, the same company behind the Commodore 64, is back.  Their
> first major US product in decades is a feature rich all-in-one
> keyboard PC pre-installed with Ubuntu Linux.
>
> The unit comes with an Intel Core 2 Duo processor upgradeable to 3GHz
> on an Intel G31 Express Chipset mobo that supports up to 4GB of
> PC2-5300 667MHz&  PC2- 6400 800MHz DDR2 RAM.  Graphics are provided by
> an Intel GMA 3100 and support for two displays.  Storage is done via
> SATA2 with an option to upgrade to 2TBs, and there is also an option
> for a removable HDD as well.  The computer can be expanded with 4 USB
> 2.0 slots, two serial port, PS/2 mouse&  keyboard ports, a parallel
> printer port, and combined mini-PCI/PCI-e port.  Network is via
> Gigabit LAN or optional Wi-Fi, which also includes a Bluetooth radio
> as well.  Sound is provided by a Realtek AL888 High Definition Audio
> which is Ubuntu compatible out of the box.  The optical drive can be a
> standard DVD-RW or Blu-Ray drive.  The AMI BIOS supports booting from
> USB devices, and the system has EFI support (meaning its Hackintosh
> ready), and the full-sized keyboard features a laptop style touch pad
> mouse.  Though the specs don't list it, in one of the images you can
> clearly see what looks like a credit card swipe slot-reader.
>
> The product isn't going to be officially rolled out until June.  The
> biggest deal is this machine is the fact that its pre-installed with
> Ubuntu by default and uses hardware that is very Linux friendly.  A
> number of other operating systems are listed as being compatible.
> They also say it can run Mac OS X, but you have to turn it into a
> Hackintosh yourself and buy Mac OS X yourself.  This doesn't make them
> legally liable to Apple, a smart move.
>
>   
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From radkins at impelind.com  Mon Mar 29 15:15:14 2010
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:15:14 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [Offtopic] Commodore,
	the same company behind the Commodore 64, is back.]
In-Reply-To: <4BB0F97C.7020407@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100329192922.1B3884C051@impelind.com>

Wow, a laptop, without a screen...

Color me unimpressed. It's not even good as a nostalgia product.

-Rob
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Kulkis
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 3:03 PM
> To: mdlug at mdlug.org
> Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [Offtopic] Commodore, the same company 
> behind the Commodore 64, is back.]
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [Offtopic] Commodore, the same company behind the 
> Commodore 64,	is back.
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:46:39 -0400
> From: Fred A. Miller <fmiller at lightlink.com>
> Reply-To: fmiller at lightlink.com
> To: Lew's Off-Topic List <offtopic at sweet-haven.com>
> 
> http://www.commodoreusa.net/tech.html
> 
> Commodore, the same company behind the Commodore 64, is back. 
>  Their first major US product in decades is a feature rich 
> all-in-one keyboard PC pre-installed with Ubuntu Linux.
> 
> The unit comes with an Intel Core 2 Duo processor upgradeable 
> to 3GHz on an Intel G31 Express Chipset mobo that supports up 
> to 4GB of PC2-5300 667MHz&  PC2- 6400 800MHz DDR2 RAM.  
> Graphics are provided by an Intel GMA 3100 and support for 
> two displays.  Storage is done via
> SATA2 with an option to upgrade to 2TBs, and there is also an 
> option for a removable HDD as well.  The computer can be 
> expanded with 4 USB 2.0 slots, two serial port, PS/2 mouse&  
> keyboard ports, a parallel printer port, and combined 
> mini-PCI/PCI-e port.  Network is via Gigabit LAN or optional 
> Wi-Fi, which also includes a Bluetooth radio as well.  Sound 
> is provided by a Realtek AL888 High Definition Audio which is 
> Ubuntu compatible out of the box.  The optical drive can be a 
> standard DVD-RW or Blu-Ray drive.  The AMI BIOS supports 
> booting from USB devices, and the system has EFI support 
> (meaning its Hackintosh ready), and the full-sized keyboard 
> features a laptop style touch pad mouse.  Though the specs 
> don't list it, in one of the images you can clearly see what 
> looks like a credit card swipe slot-reader.
> 
> The product isn't going to be officially rolled out until 
> June.  The biggest deal is this machine is the fact that its 
> pre-installed with Ubuntu by default and uses hardware that 
> is very Linux friendly.  A number of other operating systems 
> are listed as being compatible.
> They also say it can run Mac OS X, but you have to turn it 
> into a Hackintosh yourself and buy Mac OS X yourself.  This 
> doesn't make them legally liable to Apple, a smart move.
> 
> --
> A REVOLUTIONARY IDEA! 'Time to put Nana Pelosi in a home!'
> 
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From petertheplumber at att.net  Tue Mar 30 07:02:15 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:02:15 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Smartctl Reports Errors on HDD
In-Reply-To: <9FB6372000B099469B46478B643EE4690224DDE016@EXCCRVS1.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
References: <1269612356.10435.560.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
	<9FB6372000B099469B46478B643EE4690224DDE016@EXCCRVS1.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
Message-ID: <20100330070215.308ed890@Nokia-N800-43-7>

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:15:40 -0400
"Wojtak, Greg" <GregWojtak at quickenloans.com> wrote:

> Does the smartctl output tell you which block is bad?  If so, you
> could use dd with the skip= parameter to seek out the bad block and
> destroy it.  In a hard drive bad block mapping sense, of course. :)
> 

    Yes it did, I saved the report to a flash drive so I could
    reference it. I ended up zeroing the whole drive. I figured it
    would take hours, but it was over so quick I had to check to make
    sure I did it right. I do want to look at and learn drive geometry,
    just not right now. It's happily running Ubuntu 9.10, awaiting
    delivery to it's new owners. $50 for a Lightscribe dvd drive wasn't
    a bad price for a pentium D that's faster than 2ghz!
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber
Sent from a mobile Internet Tablet


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 12:22:16 2010
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:22:16 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Smartctl Reports Errors on HDD
In-Reply-To: <20100330070215.308ed890@Nokia-N800-43-7>
References: <1269612356.10435.560.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
	<9FB6372000B099469B46478B643EE4690224DDE016@EXCCRVS1.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
	<20100330070215.308ed890@Nokia-N800-43-7>
Message-ID: <b02c40e91003300922p5dc2a34bgf399ba5bb8f3a76d@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Peter Bart <petertheplumber at att.net> wrote:
> ? ?$50 for a Lightscribe dvd drive wasn't?a bad price for a pentium D that's faster than 2ghz!
>

Was that an external drive?  Most internals I've seen at newegg.com
are $25 or less.


From petertheplumber at att.net  Tue Mar 30 13:33:52 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:33:52 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Smartctl Reports Errors on HDD
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e91003300922p5dc2a34bgf399ba5bb8f3a76d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1269612356.10435.560.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
	<9FB6372000B099469B46478B643EE4690224DDE016@EXCCRVS1.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
	<20100330070215.308ed890@Nokia-N800-43-7>
	<b02c40e91003300922p5dc2a34bgf399ba5bb8f3a76d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100330133352.16b3069e@Nokia-N800-43-7>

On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:22:16 -0400
Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Peter Bart <petertheplumber at att.net>
> wrote:
> > ? ?$50 for a Lightscribe dvd drive wasn't?a bad price for a pentium
> > D that's faster than 2ghz!
> >
> 
> Was that an external drive?  Most internals I've seen at newegg.com
> are $25 or less.

    It was a Toshiba internal, bought from my local supplier. Still a
    good price, no shipping,  no waiting, name brand, just down the
    street, and I get to catch up with him.
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber
Sent from a mobile Internet Tablet


From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Tue Mar 30 14:17:09 2010
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:17:09 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Smartctl Reports Errors on HDD
In-Reply-To: <9FB6372000B099469B46478B643EE4690224DDE016@EXCCRVS1.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
References: <1269612356.10435.560.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
	<9FB6372000B099469B46478B643EE4690224DDE016@EXCCRVS1.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03704A7D62F@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Peter Bart
> 	Time I do have, I can set the machine to running with dd and go
do
> other things. And yes I know drives are cheap. I don't really want to
> spend anymore than absolutely necessary. I've allready replaced the
DVD
> burner, and toyed with the idea of adding to the 1gb of ram.

 Do be careful. Drive failure can be progressive. After the install,
make sure to keep an eye on the smartctl stuff; Ubuntu sets up a drive
daemon by default, I think. Heed its warnings if it says problems remain
on the drive...

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                           (313) 227-2317

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 - Ronald Dworkin, on military tribunals, detention without charges,
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From raymond.s.mclaughlin at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 19:49:27 2010
From: raymond.s.mclaughlin at gmail.com (Raymond S McLaughlin)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:49:27 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Novel (lesser of two evils?) prevails over SCO in court
Message-ID: <4BB28E07.4000502@gmail.com>

<http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100330152829622>
<http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/03/30/1951242/Novell-Wins-vs-SCO>
etc.


From petertheplumber at att.net  Tue Mar 30 21:22:30 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:22:30 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Smartctl Reports Errors on HDD
In-Reply-To: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03704A7D62F@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <1269612356.10435.560.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
	<9FB6372000B099469B46478B643EE4690224DDE016@EXCCRVS1.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
	<319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03704A7D62F@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <1269998550.5077.11.camel@plumber-notebook.site>

On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 14:17 -0400, Ingles, Raymond wrote:
> > From: Peter Bart
> > 	Time I do have, I can set the machine to running with dd and go
> do
> > other things. And yes I know drives are cheap. I don't really want to
> > spend anymore than absolutely necessary. I've allready replaced the
> DVD
> > burner, and toyed with the idea of adding to the 1gb of ram.
> 
>  Do be careful. Drive failure can be progressive. After the install,
> make sure to keep an eye on the smartctl stuff; Ubuntu sets up a drive
> daemon by default, I think. Heed its warnings if it says problems remain
> on the drive...

	I will thanks. Ubuntu calls it smartmontools and there is a lot of
information on it, not the least of which is
<https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Smartmontools>. 
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 30 22:05:37 2010
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:05:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Novel (lesser of two evils?) prevails over SCO in court
In-Reply-To: <4BB28E07.4000502@gmail.com>
References: <4BB28E07.4000502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <167054.49315.qm@web37902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

:) 

This is a good thing. SCO never had a vision or a viable business plan. The first thing that the New SCO CEO did was to bring lawsuits:

Not the best move.




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Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 7:49:27 PM
Subject: [mdlug] Novel (lesser of two evils?) prevails over SCO in court

<http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100330152829622>
<http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/03/30/1951242/Novell-Wins-vs-SCO>
etc.
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From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  5 11:06:04 2010
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 08:06:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [mdlug] NOVELL buy out ???
Message-ID: <751997.62629.qm@web37908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

http://www.zacks.com/stock/news/31293/Zacks+Analyst+Blog+Highlights%3A+Novell%2C+Inc.%2C+J.P.+Morgan%2C+Hewlett-Packard+Company%2C+International+Business+Machines+and+SAP+AG+-+Press+Releases


      


From devanhoe at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 17:09:22 2010
From: devanhoe at gmail.com (Dennis VanHoey)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 17:09:22 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] NOVELL buy out ???
In-Reply-To: <751997.62629.qm@web37908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <751997.62629.qm@web37908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <615fa0ed1003051409l6f0dab9bua6ba64dc070b7cf3@mail.gmail.com>

Expect the Novell linux division to be sold off.

"Elliot Associates is best known as a 'vulture
fund<http://128.255.56.99/ifdebook/faq/Vulture.shtml>.'
They don't make investments to turn companies around. They make investments
to crush the cash out of them and then leave the picked over bones for
someone else to pick up."  -
http://blogs.computerworld.com/15688/elliot_associates_worrisome_novell_plans


On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:06 AM, David Lane <dcl400m at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> http://www.zacks.com/stock/news/31293/Zacks+Analyst+Blog+Highlights%3A+Novell%2C+Inc.%2C+J.P.+Morgan%2C+Hewlett-Packard+Company%2C+International+Business+Machines+and+SAP+AG+-+Press+Releases
>
>
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From carl at carltm.com  Sat Mar  6 06:38:31 2010
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 06:38:31 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] latest Debian iso files?
Message-ID: <508391ff78bcd3e704314279eb35775f.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Does anyone have the latest Debian dvds or iso files?
I need to get them more quickly than I can download
them, and hope I might be able to get them from someone
in the club.

Gary, if you have them, can I bribe you to burn me a
copy and stop by to pick them up?

c




From tesral at wowway.com  Sat Mar  6 11:13:20 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 11:13:20 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] latest Debian iso files?
In-Reply-To: <508391ff78bcd3e704314279eb35775f.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <508391ff78bcd3e704314279eb35775f.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <4B927F20.6080206@wowway.com>

Carl T. Miller wrote:
> Does anyone have the latest Debian dvds or iso files?
> I need to get them more quickly than I can download
> them, and hope I might be able to get them from someone
> in the club.
>
> Gary, if you have them, can I bribe you to burn me a
> copy and stop by to pick them up?
>
>   

What is the latest one?  I try to keep up on these things.  I'll have to
crank up the laptop and see.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it -- and stop there -- lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove-lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove-lid again, and that is well; but also she will never sit down on a cold one any more. -Mark Twain
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  8 08:35:38 2010
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 05:35:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [mdlug] NOVELL buy out ???
In-Reply-To: <615fa0ed1003051409l6f0dab9bua6ba64dc070b7cf3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <751997.62629.qm@web37908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<615fa0ed1003051409l6f0dab9bua6ba64dc070b7cf3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <386180.2054.qm@web37908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Is this why we did not get a boxed version of Suse 11.2?

David C. Lane 




________________________________
From: Dennis VanHoey <devanhoe at gmail.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Fri, March 5, 2010 5:09:22 PM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] NOVELL buy out ???

Expect the Novell linux division to be sold off.

"Elliot Associates is best known as a 'vulture
fund<http://128.255.56.99/ifdebook/faq/Vulture.shtml>.'
They don't make investments to turn companies around. They make investments
to crush the cash out of them and then leave the picked over bones for
someone else to pick up."? -
http://blogs.computerworld.com/15688/elliot_associates_worrisome_novell_plans


On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:06 AM, David Lane <dcl400m at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> http://www.zacks.com/stock/news/31293/Zacks+Analyst+Blog+Highlights%3A+Novell%2C+Inc.%2C+J.P.+Morgan%2C+Hewlett-Packard+Company%2C+International+Business+Machines+and+SAP+AG+-+Press+Releases
>
>
>
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>
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From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Mon Mar  8 13:42:55 2010
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 13:42:55 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Popular Science magazine archive online
Message-ID: <b02c40e91003081042x325872b0t107fffaa1ca01524@mail.gmail.com>

Another resource brought to you by those evil Google people :D
http://www.popsci.com/archives


From skyefire at skyefire.org  Wed Mar 10 11:59:21 2010
From: skyefire at skyefire.org (David McMillan)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:59:21 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Android
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e91003081042x325872b0t107fffaa1ca01524@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b02c40e91003081042x325872b0t107fffaa1ca01524@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B97CFE9.4090301@skyefire.org>

On 3/8/2010 1:42 PM, Jeff Hanson wrote:

> Another resource brought to you by those evil Google people :D
> http://www.popsci.com/archives

	Speaking of those "Evil Google People" (stick 'em up! This is a thread 
hijack!), does anyone have a good handle on just how locked up, or not, 
the Android phones are?  I've been wanting to get one, but I'm on AT&T 
and their first Android phone appears to have been deliberately 
I-Phone'd in order to avoid The Wrath of Apple.  I'm wondering if it's 
worth going after an unlocked Android to stick my SIM card into, or how 
effectively one can "jailbreak" a vendor-crippled Android.




From muteid10t at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 13:18:39 2010
From: muteid10t at gmail.com (Ron Blanchett)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:18:39 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Android
In-Reply-To: <4B97CFE9.4090301@skyefire.org>
References: <b02c40e91003081042x325872b0t107fffaa1ca01524@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B97CFE9.4090301@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <52995d721003101018w4d38f680k2f918a9c8d0657e4@mail.gmail.com>

I have the Moto Droid on VZW and I rooted the phone in the first few weeks
of having it.
It isn't all that easy for the phone companies to lock the android platform
from user modification.
I even have tethering on my Droid even though VZW doesn't support it for my
phone.

What you would have to worry about it cross carrier compatibility, i.e. ATT
& T-mobile.
If you take a T-Mo phone to ATT and vise-versa you will only have 2g
coverage as the 3g signal frequencies are different between the two.




On 3/10/10, David McMillan <skyefire at skyefire.org> wrote:
>
> On 3/8/2010 1:42 PM, Jeff Hanson wrote:
>
> > Another resource brought to you by those evil Google people :D
> > http://www.popsci.com/archives
>
>         Speaking of those "Evil Google People" (stick 'em up! This is a
> thread
> hijack!), does anyone have a good handle on just how locked up, or not,
> the Android phones are?  I've been wanting to get one, but I'm on AT&T
> and their first Android phone appears to have been deliberately
> I-Phone'd in order to avoid The Wrath of Apple.  I'm wondering if it's
> worth going after an unlocked Android to stick my SIM card into, or how
> effectively one can "jailbreak" a vendor-crippled Android.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>



-- 
-Ron

"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within
what you are trying to defend from without." -- President Dwight Eisenhower


From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Wed Mar 10 13:33:11 2010
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:33:11 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Android
In-Reply-To: <4B97CFE9.4090301@skyefire.org>
References: <b02c40e91003081042x325872b0t107fffaa1ca01524@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B97CFE9.4090301@skyefire.org>
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370492AC3A@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: David McMillan

> 	Speaking of those "Evil Google People" (stick 'em up! This is a
thread
> hijack!), does anyone have a good handle on just how locked up, or
not,
> the Android phones are?  I've been wanting to get one, but I'm on AT&T
> and their first Android phone appears to have been deliberately
> I-Phone'd in order to avoid The Wrath of Apple.  I'm wondering if it's
> worth going after an unlocked Android to stick my SIM card into, or
how
> effectively one can "jailbreak" a vendor-crippled Android.

 The Droid uses CDMA, so (as I understand it), it won't work with AT&T's
GSM network. However, the "Milestone" is the GSM version. Again as I
understand it, the only difference hardware or software-wise is that the
Droid comes with a 16GB microSD card and the Milestone comes with an 8GB
card.

 The Droid phones are more open than Apple's offerings, though not
*quite* as open as I'd like. I'm hoping to get one shortly. From my
developer's perspective, not having to buy a Mac or pay $100 for the
SDK, or get things signed by some company to install them, is a huge
difference. For a non-developer, this may or may not be important.
Something few people would care about, but I'm looking forward to
playing with, is enabling "USB host mode" on the Droid.
(http://www.tombom.co.uk/blog/?p=124) Then you could plug in things like
keyboards, joysticks, webcams, or all those other USB doohickeys...

 Stock Droids don't actually give you full control over the system,
though. You can essentially run an exploit - take advantage of a bug -
to get 'root' access, at which point you can change things willy-nilly,
install applications that do more than the stock OS allows, etc. (On the
iPhone, as you note, they call it 'jailbreaking'. On the Droid, it's
'rooting'.) I don't have direct experience (yet) but apparently because
the Android source is fairly open, people can - and do - create entirely
new versions of the OS.

 Anyway, that's as far as I've gotten on that question...

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                                     (313)
227-2317

 "There is no distinction in nature between microevolution and
macroevolution.
 Macroevolution is just larger quantities of microevolution over much
longer
 times. It's like saying that there's 'microwalking' which is what I do
from
 the car park to the office every morning, and down to the shops on
weekends,
 and that can result in changes of my location over time on a small
scale; but
 the idea that people, over tens of thousands of years, walked out of
central
 Africa into Europe, then over to Asia, across to North America and into
South
 America - that's 'macrowalking' and it's impossible. God must have put
them
                        there." - Anthony Steele

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From awilliam at opengroupware.us  Wed Mar 10 13:34:48 2010
From: awilliam at opengroupware.us (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:34:48 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Android
In-Reply-To: <52995d721003101018w4d38f680k2f918a9c8d0657e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b02c40e91003081042x325872b0t107fffaa1ca01524@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B97CFE9.4090301@skyefire.org>
	<52995d721003101018w4d38f680k2f918a9c8d0657e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1268246088.3889.8.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 13:18 -0500, Ron Blanchett wrote:
> I have the Moto Droid on VZW and I rooted the phone in the first few weeks
> of having it.

Stupid question: Why bother?

You can develop and install your own apps without voiding the
warranty/support - that is supported out of the box.

> It isn't all that easy for the phone companies to lock the android platform
> from user modification.
> I even have tethering on my Droid even though VZW doesn't support it for my
> phone.
> What you would have to worry about it cross carrier compatibility, i.e. ATT
> & T-mobile.
> If you take a T-Mo phone to ATT and vise-versa you will only have 2g
> coverage as the 3g signal frequencies are different between the two.

I very much doubt rooting the phone is going to help you with
cross-carrier compatibility.  The issues with network compatibility are
many and comples.
-- 
Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam at whitemice.org> LPIC-1, Novell CLA
<http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com>
OpenGroupware, Cyrus IMAPd, Postfix, OpenLDAP, Samba



From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Wed Mar 10 14:09:15 2010
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:09:15 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Android
In-Reply-To: <1268246088.3889.8.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
References: <b02c40e91003081042x325872b0t107fffaa1ca01524@mail.gmail.com><4B97CFE9.4090301@skyefire.org><52995d721003101018w4d38f680k2f918a9c8d0657e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<1268246088.3889.8.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370492AC45@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Adam Tauno Williams

> On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 13:18 -0500, Ron Blanchett wrote:
> > I have the Moto Droid on VZW and I rooted the phone in the first few
weeks
> > of having it.
> 
> Stupid question: Why bother?

 Well, as soon as I get my Droid, I'm going to modify the /etc/hosts
file to block a lot of ads and other cruft I don't want to deal with or
download when surfing the web. You need root for that. I'll also
probably remove a few stock apps that I won't care about. A few extra
customization options are apparently available - 5 home screens instead
of 3, etc.

 I don't really have an interest in tethering (having a laptop use the
phone as its internet link) but rooting allows that, too, apparently.

 For most people the benefits would be marginal, but I'm a tweaking
kinda guy.

 Of course, apparently the Android 2.1 upgrade is coming "any day now"
for the Droid, and rooting will probably become harder until/unless
another exploit is found...

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                          (313) 227-2317

 "If one is going to use standard units, one should do it right and
               use Kelvins. That way nobody is happy."
           - Linux Weekly News, on Fahrenheit vs. Celsius

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From blubdog at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 17:34:49 2010
From: blubdog at gmail.com (Bruce Smith)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:34:49 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Android
In-Reply-To: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370492AC45@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <b02c40e91003081042x325872b0t107fffaa1ca01524@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B97CFE9.4090301@skyefire.org>
	<52995d721003101018w4d38f680k2f918a9c8d0657e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<1268246088.3889.8.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
	<319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370492AC45@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <b52f2d361003101434t38a50f05rd40254df3b456fd6@mail.gmail.com>

> ?Of course, apparently the Android 2.1 upgrade is coming "any day now"
> for the Droid, and rooting will probably become harder until/unless
> another exploit is found...

What happens to your root'ed phone when 2.1 does come out?

Will your Droid update to it, making it unrooted again?
Or it it brick your Droid?
Or what?

I have a Moto Droid too, and always wondered about that.

 - BS


From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Thu Mar 11 10:31:00 2010
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:31:00 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Android
In-Reply-To: <b52f2d361003101434t38a50f05rd40254df3b456fd6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b02c40e91003081042x325872b0t107fffaa1ca01524@mail.gmail.com><4B97CFE9.4090301@skyefire.org><52995d721003101018w4d38f680k2f918a9c8d0657e4@mail.gmail.com><1268246088.3889.8.camel@linux-yu4c.site><319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370492AC45@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<b52f2d361003101434t38a50f05rd40254df3b456fd6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370492AD37@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Bruce Smith
> >  Of course, apparently the Android 2.1 upgrade is coming "any day now"
> > for the Droid, and rooting will probably become harder until/unless
> > another exploit is found...
> 
> What happens to your root'ed phone when 2.1 does come out?

 I don't know either. From what I gather, though, the current exploit that's used to get root access is expected to be closed, so getting root will be harder after that.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                          (313) 227-2317

 "[T]he Founding Fathers... made certain to guarantee us individual
    rights and freedoms. How dare we selfishly lay claim to those
            liberties... when our nation is in crisis?"
        http://www.theonion.com/opinion/index.php?issue=4026

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From otakurider at gmail.com  Fri Mar 12 09:31:58 2010
From: otakurider at gmail.com (-)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:31:58 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Android
In-Reply-To: <b52f2d361003101434t38a50f05rd40254df3b456fd6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b02c40e91003081042x325872b0t107fffaa1ca01524@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B97CFE9.4090301@skyefire.org>
	<52995d721003101018w4d38f680k2f918a9c8d0657e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<1268246088.3889.8.camel@linux-yu4c.site>
	<319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370492AC45@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<b52f2d361003101434t38a50f05rd40254df3b456fd6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cd5131a51003120631p3640d611l6ed1230a5c09425b@mail.gmail.com>

Correct when 2.1 is fully shipped it will close the current root hole.
>From the information I have been able to gleam it does not brick your
current rooted phones.  At least the droid and Nessus 1 phones. If you
follow the www.droidforum.com or droid-life.com they have very good threads
on what is happening droid wise.  They also cover rooting info as well.  I
am going to hold off few more months before I root my droid, currently see
no real need as of yet but that may change.

Also ATT and verizon use separate radios at the moment so phones are not
switchable between the carriers.  There are radios that will work on both
systems but at the moment I don't have a list of the phones.

Have had my current droid for near a month now and a quite happy with the
2.0.1 version of OS.  The droid forum has some info on people that have
installed 2.1 on a droid (including videos).  They are saying the pre-gold
is quite stable and fast.  2.1 does run faster on the nesses 1 but the
processor is much faster then the current version droid.


Good Droid hacking..

Pat Baker



On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Bruce Smith <blubdog at gmail.com> wrote:

> >  Of course, apparently the Android 2.1 upgrade is coming "any day now"
> > for the Droid, and rooting will probably become harder until/unless
> > another exploit is found...
>
> What happens to your root'ed phone when 2.1 does come out?
>
> Will your Droid update to it, making it unrooted again?
> Or it it brick your Droid?
> Or what?
>
> I have a Moto Droid too, and always wondered about that.
>
>  - BS
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>


From Stan at mcomputersolutions.com  Fri Mar 12 21:58:50 2010
From: Stan at mcomputersolutions.com (Stan Green)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:58:50 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Linux HA
Message-ID: <201003122158.50709.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>

I'm looking into setting up a Linux High Avaliability (HA) configuration. The 
goal of this configuration is to run two LAMP servers in HA mode. I will not 
have an external storage device, so I will need to replicate the data between 
the two servers (MySQL Replication & rsync). I am finding some resource on the 
internet but have not found a "good" one yet. Most of what I am finding was 
created pre-2000. So, two questions:

1) Does anyone know of a good resource that details how to set up Linux HA?

2) Has anyone setup something like this and can share their experiences?

Thanks,
Stan


From tesral at wowway.com  Sat Mar 13 03:42:12 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 03:42:12 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Meeting
In-Reply-To: <201003122158.50709.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
References: <201003122158.50709.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
Message-ID: <4B9B4FE4.6070806@wowway.com>

It is not looking like I will be attending the meeting.  Having a rough
night. 

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it -- and stop there -- lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove-lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove-lid again, and that is well; but also she will never sit down on a cold one any more. -Mark Twain
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 13 05:56:59 2010
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 05:56:59 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Meeting
In-Reply-To: <4B9B4FE4.6070806@wowway.com>
References: <201003122158.50709.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
	<4B9B4FE4.6070806@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <4B9B6F7B.9040306@gmail.com>

Garry Stahl wrote:
> It is not looking like I will be attending the meeting.  Having a rough
> night. 
> 

That sucks
What's going on?



From tesral at wowway.com  Sat Mar 13 14:35:39 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:35:39 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Meeting
In-Reply-To: <4B9B6F7B.9040306@gmail.com>
References: <201003122158.50709.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>	<4B9B4FE4.6070806@wowway.com>
	<4B9B6F7B.9040306@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B9BE90B.2060001@wowway.com>

Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> That sucks
> What's going on?
>   
The all to usual weather changing and my body telling me about it.


-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it -- and stop there -- lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove-lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove-lid again, and that is well; but also she will never sit down on a cold one any more. -Mark Twain
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From petertheplumber at att.net  Mon Mar 15 14:34:25 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:34:25 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Online Storage - Dropbox
In-Reply-To: <4ACF6546.8080101@gmail.com>
References: <4ACF6546.8080101@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1268678065.25324.106.camel@plumber-notebook.site>

On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 12:31 -0400, Clinton Weiss wrote:
> disclaimer: I am in no way affiliated with Dropbox, I just like it
> 
> http://www.getdropbox.com
> 
> The home storage thread has inspired me to share an online storage 
> utility which I have found to be invaluable on every one of my 
> computers.  It works on Mac, a few popular Linux distros, and of course 
> Windows.
> 
> My personal pros:
> - 2 GB free.
> - Very fast, rsync like behavior.
> - File history.
> - "Public" folder that you can use to create URL's to share files with 
> others.
> - Files stored in a true folder structure, you can modify files from the 
> command line or a gui.
> 
> My personal cons:
> - It isn't open source, and that bugs me.  But it's a good tool, and 
> free is valuable.
> - Your files are stored "somewhere", and who knows what admins may have 
> access to them.  Don't store anything you wouldn't trust to be online.
> 
> I have found it very useful for transporting such documents as school 
> papers, various reference PDFs, pictures, etc. across several computers 
> simultaneously.  When my Mom's hard drive failed and she got it 
> replaced, she simply re-installed Dropbox and had all of her files right 
> back on her computer.  Yes, it's that easy that a 52 year old woman can 
> use it and actually like it!
> 

	Yes! This has helped me greatly. My alter ego now takes care of the
Cocker Spaniel Rescue website
<http://michigancockerrescue.rescuegroups.org/>, and Dropbox enables me
to transfer large files over long distances so I can post them. I
especially like that it does not require any installation, unless you
want to. I'm using it as a cloud, I think is the right terminology. A
foster family will upload pictures and videos of their foster dog and
I'll get them from there to post on our site. Beats the pants off
sneaker net. Betcha didn't know I'm a closet bleeding heart tree hugger?
My dogs thinks so but they don't care!
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From mdlug at wowway.com  Tue Mar 16 14:31:15 2010
From: mdlug at wowway.com (Dean Durant)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:31:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] wireless on older laptop
Message-ID: <119289161.20594791268764275363.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>

Hello, I have a compaq armada M700, 192 MB ram, Pentium 3. I had Mandrake on it but I blitzed that out trying to install Ubuntu 9.1 or whatever the latest is. Live Ubuntu was pretty slow. There was some problem installing it (ext4 over ext3 or something) but I should try again. 


The toughest thing is the wireless. It isn't built in. I would have to go external. Either PCMCIA or USB. Is there a particular brand or model people have had good luck with? 

I bought this Fast Netz ralink rt73 or rt2500, something link that, never once thinking about compatibility. But I can buy something else. 


Has anyone used damn small with wireless ? 


Thanks, Dean 


From petertheplumber at att.net  Tue Mar 16 15:01:55 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:01:55 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] wireless on older laptop
In-Reply-To: <119289161.20594791268764275363.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
References: <119289161.20594791268764275363.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
Message-ID: <20100316150155.39b183a8@Nokia-N800-43-7>

On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:31:15 -0400 (EDT)
Dean Durant <mdlug at wowway.com> wrote:

> Hello, I have a compaq armada M700, 192 MB ram, Pentium 3. I had
> Mandrake on it but I blitzed that out trying to install Ubuntu 9.1 or
> whatever the latest is. Live Ubuntu was pretty slow. There was some
> problem installing it (ext4 over ext3 or something) but I should try
> again. 

    I have Xubuntu running very nicely on a 900mhz P3, might be an
    option for you? 

> The toughest thing is the wireless. It isn't built in. I would have
> to go external. Either PCMCIA or USB. Is there a particular brand or
> model people have had good luck with? 
> 
> I bought this Fast Netz ralink rt73 or rt2500, something link that,
> never once thinking about compatibility. But I can buy something
> else. 

    I use a Dlink pcmcia wifi card for my older notebook. Worked
    out of the box with Xubuntu.     I've been able to reproduce the
    disappearing xfce panels at will ; from another post; and know how
    to stop it. I'n going to update the bug report one of these days. 

> Has anyone used damn small with wireless ? 
> 

    Yes, but that was a long time ago and I don't have that notebook
    anymore.


-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber
Sent from a mobile Internet Tablet


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Tue Mar 16 16:00:29 2010
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:00:29 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] wireless on older laptop
In-Reply-To: <119289161.20594791268764275363.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
References: <119289161.20594791268764275363.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e91003161300kfaa6242x20e737b0c3c0f9cf@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Dean Durant <mdlug at wowway.com> wrote:
> Hello, I have a compaq armada M700, 192 MB ram, Pentium 3. I had Mandrake on it but I blitzed that out trying to install Ubuntu 9.1 or whatever the latest is. Live Ubuntu was pretty slow. There was some problem installing it (ext4 over ext3 or something) but I should try again.
>

Insufficient RAM.  Ubuntu LiveCD needs 512MB+ minimum to install.  Use
an Alternate CD that has a text-mode interface.  Use Xubuntu (XFCE) or
Lubuntu (LXDE) if you want a graphical desktop.  XFCE has a problem
with desktop panels not loading at start-up (timing bug of some sort)
but this can be worked around by creating an auto-start entry for
xfce4-panel so it loads even when the primary launcher fails:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/53897

>
> The toughest thing is the wireless. It isn't built in. I would have to go external. Either PCMCIA or USB. Is there a particular brand or model people have had good luck with?
>
> I bought this Fast Netz ralink rt73 or rt2500, something link that, never once thinking about compatibility. But I can buy something else.
>

RAlink devices are a broken mess on Linux.  Some function, some
partially (like non-encrypted only), some not at all.  This is
supposed to be fixed in the 2.6.34 kernel.


From gib at juno.com  Wed Mar 17 09:07:45 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:07:45 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] [ubuntu-us-mi] Ubuntu Global Jam - Michigan Style! Penguicon
Message-ID: <20100317.090745.23227.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>

 
The MDLUG.org and the SEMCO groups plans to have a party room at Penguicon. Plan to stop by. Perhaps you can talk to us about the release . . .

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Greg Grossmeier <greg at grossmeier.net>
To: Ubuntu Michigan Local Community Team <ubuntu-us-mi at lists.ubuntu.com>
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-mi] Ubuntu Global Jam - Michigan Style!
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:32:13 -0400

<quoting name="Robert Citek" date="2010-03-16" time="17:31:02 -0400">
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Greg Grossmeier <greg at grossmeier.net> wrote:
> > The Ubuntu Global Jam is an incredible opportunity for the Ubuntu
> > community to unite together around the weekend of 26th - 28th March 2010
> > to work together to improve Ubuntu.
> 
> Dang!   The one weekend in a while when I'll be out of town.

Dang! Sorry you won't be able to make it.

> Any planned follow-up gatherings before the 10.04 releases?

We're thinking of doing a release party shin-dig at the Penguicon hotel 
bar the weekend of Penguicon. There should be a good size group of FLOSSy 
(and otherwise) people there. :)

Hope to see you around,

Greg

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From davidl at lmert.com  Wed Mar 17 20:57:37 2010
From: davidl at lmert.com (David Lee Lambert)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:57:37 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] wireless on older laptop
In-Reply-To: <119289161.20594791268764275363.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
References: <119289161.20594791268764275363.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
Message-ID: <201003172057.46308.davidl@lmert.com>

I have a Compaq Armada m700 as well (actually I'm on my 3rd one... the screen 
on the first one got cracked from sitting under luggage,  and the internal 
power-supply on the second eventually died).  I'm using a Netgear 802.11b 
PCMCIA card with a "Broadcom Corporation BCM43XG (rev 01)" chipset with 
pretty good results.

I run Debian Etch on it.  

--
DLL


On Tuesday 16 March 2010 14:31, Dean Durant wrote:
> Hello, I have a compaq armada M700, 192 MB ram, Pentium 3. I had Mandrake
> on it but I blitzed that out trying to install Ubuntu 9.1 or whatever the
> latest is. Live Ubuntu was pretty slow. There was some problem installing
> it (ext4 over ext3 or something) but I should try again.
>
>
> The toughest thing is the wireless. It isn't built in. I would have to go
> external. Either PCMCIA or USB. Is there a particular brand or model people
> have had good luck with?
>
> I bought this Fast Netz ralink rt73 or rt2500, something link that, never
> once thinking about compatibility. But I can buy something else.
>
>
> Has anyone used damn small with wireless ?
>
>
> Thanks, Dean
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug

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Cell phone: +1 586-873-8813
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IM: davidleelambert (Yahoo!) or lamber45 at cse.msu.edu (MSN)


From raymond.s.mclaughlin at gmail.com  Thu Mar 18 18:40:51 2010
From: raymond.s.mclaughlin at gmail.com (Raymond S McLaughlin)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:40:51 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] wireless on older laptop
In-Reply-To: <201003172057.46308.davidl@lmert.com>
References: <119289161.20594791268764275363.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
	<201003172057.46308.davidl@lmert.com>
Message-ID: <4BA2ABF3.9050401@gmail.com>

David Lee Lambert wrote:
> I have a Compaq Armada m700 as well (actually I'm on my 3rd one... the screen 
> on the first one got cracked from sitting under luggage,  and the internal 
> power-supply on the second eventually died).  I'm using a Netgear 802.11b 
> PCMCIA card with a "Broadcom Corporation BCM43XG (rev 01)" chipset with 
> pretty good results.
> 
> I run Debian Etch on it.  
> 
> --
> DLL

Are you using the mad-wifi driver, or the ndiswrapper-windriver
combination? I am using a Linksys cardbus card with the following lspci
-v description:


06:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5416 \
802.11abgn Wireless PCI Adapter (rev 01)
        Subsystem: Linksys Device 0069
        Flags: bus master, fast Back2Back, 66MHz, medium devsel,\
latency   128, IRQ 11
        Memory at 3c000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
        Capabilities: [40] #80 [0000]
        Kernel driver in use: ndiswrapper
        Kernel modules: ath5k


The Atheros chipset *used to be* (like 5 years ago) well supported with
native Linux drivers drivers, but then they weren't so I got used to
using NDISWrapper. I have read that Atheros Communications Inc. has
resumed co-operating with the open source community, but I have still
found the mad-wifi drivers problematic every time I've tried to use
them, while NDISWrapper now works well.

If you need to use NDISW I suggest you get a couple of packages in
addition to the base NDISW: ndisgtk and ndisinstaller. These provide a
convenient gui front end for configuring NDISWrapper. On my laptop I set
it up once for the present card, and it has "just worked" since then.


I hope this helps
Raymond McLaughlin




From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Thu Mar 18 19:10:43 2010
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:10:43 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] wireless on older laptop
In-Reply-To: <4BA2ABF3.9050401@gmail.com>
References: <119289161.20594791268764275363.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
	<201003172057.46308.davidl@lmert.com> <4BA2ABF3.9050401@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e91003181610j1b52089fn7d1c0d43a8e2ac67@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Raymond S McLaughlin
<raymond.s.mclaughlin at gmail.com> wrote:
> The Atheros chipset *used to be* (like 5 years ago) well supported with
> native Linux drivers drivers, but then they weren't so I got used to
> using NDISWrapper. I have read that Atheros Communications Inc. has
> resumed co-operating with the open source community, but I have still
> found the mad-wifi drivers problematic every time I've tried to use
> them, while NDISWrapper now works well.

On Ubuntu I've never had a problem with Atheros drivers on my Toshiba
laptop.  IIRC, there was some issues when the closed-source drivers
were replaced with an open-source version last year but I didn't have
problems with either version.  A few years ago I dumped Mandriva
because of Atheros problems but I suspect it has been fixed since
then.


From petertheplumber at att.net  Sun Mar 21 10:22:53 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:22:53 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] voip service?
In-Reply-To: <37643a77e6c85f9388557cd1677e601e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <37643a77e6c85f9388557cd1677e601e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <20100321102253.2b624d45@Nokia-N800-43-7>

On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 08:12:12 -0400
"Carl T. Miller" <carl at carltm.com> wrote:

> I just disconnected my AT&T land line and am looking at options
> for phone service that don't involve my cell phone.  VOIP sounds
> good, but I'm not sure what all I would need to make it work.
> 
> Any suggestions for economical VOIP providers that work and
> play well with Linux?

Sorry Carl, posted on mailing list this time.

   I use Gizmo with my wifi enabled cell handset. It's available alsp
 o for several different platforms here:
 <http://gizmo5.com/pc/download/> It appears to have been bought by
 Google and new user sign up temporarily suspended
 <http://www.google.com/gizmo5/>
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber
Sent from a mobile Internet Tablet


From petertheplumber at att.net  Sun Mar 21 10:27:40 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:27:40 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] voip service?
In-Reply-To: <05e5e28d68079d162dc96d10a35c14ab.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <37643a77e6c85f9388557cd1677e601e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<20100321092833.340c1b36@Nokia-N800-43-7>
	<05e5e28d68079d162dc96d10a35c14ab.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <1269181660.10435.16.camel@plumber-notebook.site>

On Sun, 2010-03-21 at 10:19 -0400, Carl T. Miller wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Two questions:  Does it work with Asterisk and how much
> do you pay for what level of service?
> 

Dear Carl,
	I just bought 1000 minutes of call out for $10.00. I'm in the process
of checking it out because I recently flashed my handset, so I'll need
to download it again. I'll look into the Astersisk as well.
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From petertheplumber at att.net  Sun Mar 21 10:36:40 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:36:40 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] voip service?
In-Reply-To: <05e5e28d68079d162dc96d10a35c14ab.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <37643a77e6c85f9388557cd1677e601e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<20100321092833.340c1b36@Nokia-N800-43-7>
	<05e5e28d68079d162dc96d10a35c14ab.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <1269182200.10435.19.camel@plumber-notebook.site>

On Sun, 2010-03-21 at 10:19 -0400, Carl T. Miller wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Two questions:  Does it work with Asterisk and how much
> do you pay for what level of service?

Dear Carl,
	It looks like it does work with Asterisk. Look at the knowledgebase
here <http://support.gizmoproject.com/index.php?group=gizmo5> and search
for asterisk.
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From petertheplumber at att.net  Sun Mar 21 10:37:25 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:37:25 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] voip service?
In-Reply-To: <05e5e28d68079d162dc96d10a35c14ab.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <37643a77e6c85f9388557cd1677e601e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<20100321092833.340c1b36@Nokia-N800-43-7>
	<05e5e28d68079d162dc96d10a35c14ab.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <1269182245.10435.20.camel@plumber-notebook.site>

On Sun, 2010-03-21 at 10:19 -0400, Carl T. Miller wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Two questions:  Does it work with Asterisk and how much
> do you pay for what level of service?
> 

Dear Carl,
	You can check out rates here <http://www.gizmo5.com/rates>
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From smunro622 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 21 10:31:33 2010
From: smunro622 at gmail.com (stuart munro)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:31:33 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] voip service?
In-Reply-To: <20100321102253.2b624d45@Nokia-N800-43-7>
References: <37643a77e6c85f9388557cd1677e601e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<20100321102253.2b624d45@Nokia-N800-43-7>
Message-ID: <BE7DFB60-FC43-417F-A3D8-D55B78DB1C6F@gmail.com>

i run little box of tricks as a vm with asterick (on a esxi box)
i use this sip provider,
https://www.link2voip.com/rates.php

really happy and i some other features 

$9.95 unlimited 
On Mar 21, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Peter Bart wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 08:12:12 -0400
> "Carl T. Miller" <carl at carltm.com> wrote:
> 
>> I just disconnected my AT&T land line and am looking at options
>> for phone service that don't involve my cell phone.  VOIP sounds
>> good, but I'm not sure what all I would need to make it work.
>> 
>> Any suggestions for economical VOIP providers that work and
>> play well with Linux?
> 
> Sorry Carl, posted on mailing list this time.
> 
>   I use Gizmo with my wifi enabled cell handset. It's available alsp
> o for several different platforms here:
> <http://gizmo5.com/pc/download/> It appears to have been bought by
> Google and new user sign up temporarily suspended
> <http://www.google.com/gizmo5/>
> -- 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Peter The Plumber
> Sent from a mobile Internet Tablet
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From petertheplumber at att.net  Sun Mar 21 10:40:20 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:40:20 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] voip service?
In-Reply-To: <1269182245.10435.20.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
References: <37643a77e6c85f9388557cd1677e601e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<20100321092833.340c1b36@Nokia-N800-43-7>
	<05e5e28d68079d162dc96d10a35c14ab.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<1269182245.10435.20.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
Message-ID: <1269182420.10435.24.camel@plumber-notebook.site>

On Sun, 2010-03-21 at 10:37 -0400, Peter Bart wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-03-21 at 10:19 -0400, Carl T. Miller wrote:
> > Hi Peter,
> > 
> > Two questions:  Does it work with Asterisk and how much
> > do you pay for what level of service?
> > 
> 
> Dear Carl,
> 	You can check out rates here <http://www.gizmo5.com/rates>

Sorry, I can't tell the difference between lists anymore! Argh!
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From awilliam at opengroupware.us  Sun Mar 21 11:24:35 2010
From: awilliam at opengroupware.us (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:24:35 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] voip service?
In-Reply-To: <20100321102253.2b624d45@Nokia-N800-43-7>
References: <37643a77e6c85f9388557cd1677e601e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<20100321102253.2b624d45@Nokia-N800-43-7>
Message-ID: <1269185075.3735.9.camel@linux-pqce.site>

On Sun, 2010-03-21 at 10:22 -0400, Peter Bart wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 08:12:12 -0400
> "Carl T. Miller" <carl at carltm.com> wrote:
> > I just disconnected my AT&T land line and am looking at options
> > for phone service that don't involve my cell phone.  VOIP sounds
> > good, but I'm not sure what all I would need to make it work.
> > Any suggestions for economical VOIP providers that work and
> > play well with Linux?

Ekiga provides a solution, and affordable gateways, and is built up
around the SIP client Ekiga that was originally GNOME Meeting.

It works very well.

> Sorry Carl, posted on mailing list this time.
>    I use Gizmo with my wifi enabled cell handset. It's available alsp
>  o for several different platforms here:
>  <http://gizmo5.com/pc/download/> It appears to have been bought by
>  Google and new user sign up temporarily suspended
>  <http://www.google.com/gizmo5/>




From rengesh at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 21 14:18:58 2010
From: rengesh at yahoo.com (Rengesh Krishna)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:18:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] voip service?
In-Reply-To: <1269182420.10435.24.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
References: <37643a77e6c85f9388557cd1677e601e.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<20100321092833.340c1b36@Nokia-N800-43-7>
	<05e5e28d68079d162dc96d10a35c14ab.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<1269182245.10435.20.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
	<1269182420.10435.24.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
Message-ID: <680981.17908.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear Peter,


I have been using viatalk (www.viatalk.com) for over 5 years. This is a regular VOIP service that you use with normal phones. There is no software required. For the new customers they charge 200 dollars for 2 years. After that I get 18 months for 200 dollars. There are few things that are good about them: -
1. If you already have a VOIP box like PAP2T they will simply send you the credentials so you are ready to go right away.
2. You can order the same box from them - but unlike many VOIP providers they don't have a problem sending you the administrative password.
3. They have two-lines that can be programed independently - I have programmed the second line to gizmo5 (earlier it used to be called sipphone)
4. They do support Asterisk, as they provide the complete code when you sign on to your account. I see that they are giving me two codes (sip.conf and extensions.conf) (I don't have Asterisk so I can tell any further)
5. Their CEO hangs around in dslreports.com forums and responds to user's problems, which I kind of like.
6. They do have several features such as simul-ring, conditional call forward, conditional call block or call routing using wild-card, call hunt, call alarm. (I have been using these features for many years)
7. Above all, they do support calls using a software. You can use your own SIP software (like linphone) and configure using the SIP credentials they supply to you in your profile.

Hope this helps.

Rengesh



________________________________
From: Peter Bart <petertheplumber at att.net>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 10:40:20 AM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] [WLUG] voip service?

On Sun, 2010-03-21 at 10:37 -0400, Peter Bart wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-03-21 at 10:19 -0400, Carl T. Miller wrote:
> > Hi Peter,
> > 
> > Two questions:  Does it work with Asterisk and how much
> > do you pay for what level of service?
> > 
> 
> Dear Carl,
>     You can check out rates here <http://www.gizmo5.com/rates>

Sorry, I can't tell the difference between lists anymore! Argh!
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber

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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Mon Mar 22 09:55:20 2010
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:55:20 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Droid report
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370492B56F@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>


 I've had my Droid phone for close to a week, and figured I'd give a
little report on it.

 Hardware-wise, it's awfully good. The screen is beautiful. The camera
takes decent pictures and good video. The speakers are entirely
competent and the sound is good through headphones. The keyboard isn't
quite as good as the rest of it, but it's perfectly serviceable, or will
be once I've messed with the software a little. The micro-USB hookup is
mildly annoying; I have a ton of mini-USB cables laying around, but only
the micro-USB cable that came with the Droid, for now. (Anyone know a
cheap source of micro-USB cables?)

 The software is pretty good. Definitely some rough edges, but workable.
The internet functions are solid: the browser's very usable, email works
fine, etc. Had no trouble hooking up to my 802.11g WAP, etc. I was able
to find SSH and VNC clients; haven't tried the VNC client yet, but the
SSH client did well.

 Downloaded a few games and toys, enjoyable enough. I've managed to move
over my contacts and secured passwords from my Treo with some conversion
tools. Still working on the calendar, but it looks doable - I found a
Perl script to convert a Palm calendar to iCal format, and that should
be importable once I remove some personal entries.

 Video plays very well on this device. With an 854x480 screen, there's
room for every single pixel on a DVD. I've put together some scripts
that convert DVDs and videos for viewing on the Droid (which doesn't
like the AVI or FLV formats but seems happy with MP4) and the results
are a joy to behold. Commuting on the bus is going to be even more
entertaining now. F/X blockbusters were a little anemic at 320x240 (to
fit on the Treo's 320x320 screen) but on the Droid they look beautiful.

 There are several programs that I need to write. First up, to my
surprise, is a decent text editor. I figured out how to cut and paste,
but none of the free text editors I've looked at support search or
replace, nor jumping to a particular point in a file. Fortunately,
development doesn't look too hard.

 The second thing up is a modification to keyboard input. On the Treo,
there was a utility called "KeyCaps" that sped up typing considerably.
Hold a key for a brief time (I had it set to 1/4 sec) and you'd get the
capital letter. Double-tap within a set time (again, 1/4 sec for me),
and you'd get the punctuation character. Not having to chord keys on a
small keyboard is very useful, and makes a surprising difference in
typing speed and ease.

 I want to make a client for my "Ostiary" program, of course, and an
encrypted, secure diary/journal program.

 After that, I figure it should be possible to port the old "Maelstrom"
game (Asteroids clone from the original color Macs) without too much
trouble. By the time I've got all the above under my belt, I should be
ready to port a BZflag client that uses the accelerometers for
steering...

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                    (313) 227-2317

   "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right;
        and if wrong, to be set right." - Carl Schurz

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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Mon Mar 22 10:09:06 2010
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:09:06 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Script for encoding DVDs for a Droid
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370492B57C@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>


 Below is a script for encoding DVD video for playback on a Droid. It
uses mencoder to re-encode the original MPEG-2 stream to H264 with a
1000 kbit bitrate. This is a very CPU-intensive process. For example,
with a dual-core Athlon X2 at 2.8GHz, it took 201 minutes (three hours
and twenty-one minutes) to convert a 115-minute movie. The resulting
file was 915MB. It was tested on Ubuntu 9.10.

 Note: this script assumes you want subtitles. If not, you'll need to
comment out/remove the appropriate lines. Note too: the formatting may
be messed up by this silly email program, so take care when cutting and
pasting.

 Thanks to the h264enc script for helping to determine the appropriate
mencoder parameters.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                           (313) 227-2317

 "The Philosopher's Syndrome: Mistaking a failure of imagination for
            an insight into necessity." - Daniel Dennett

-----------------------------------

#!/bin/bash

# Helps handling filenames with spaces
IFS=`printf '\n\t'`

## Set up parameters for encoding

# If you're skipping frames, increase FPS. If duplicating, decrease FPS.
# Usual values are 24000/1001 (23.976), 24, 25 (PAL), 30000/1001
(29.97), 30.
#OFPS="24"
OFPS="24000/1001"
#OFPS="30000/1001"

# Height of the output video (Droid screen: 480)
SCALEH=480

# Width of the output video (Droid screen: 720)
SCALEW=854

# Where to put temporary files
TEMP_FILE_DIR=`mktemp -d`

# This is the key parameter we gotta have from the user.
# Spaces in the output file name are probably not a good idea.
if [ -n "$1" ]; then
  NEWNAME=$1
else
  echo Output file name not specified, aborting!
  echo "Usage: " $0 " output-name [dvd-title] [dvd-device] [audio-track]
[subtitle]"
  exit 0
fi

# These are optional parameters that can be tweaked but have default
values.
# Default to DVD title 1.
DVDTITLE=${2:-1}
# Device to read DVD from
# (You might want to change the default to match your system.)
DVDDEV=${3:-"/dev/dvd"}
# 128 is the default audio track on a DVD, usually
AUDIOTRACK=${4:-128}
# 0 is the default subtitle track on a DVD, usually
SUBTITLE=${5:0}

### Do the actual encoding. ###

# Two-pass encoding. Takes longer, but makes a noticeable improvement in
image
# quality for a given bitrate. More passes are possible, but hit the
point of
# diminishing returns very quickly, IMO.
nice -n 10 /usr/bin/mencoder -dvd-device ${DVDDEV} dvd://${DVDTITLE}
-aid ${AUDIOTRACK} -sid ${SUBTITLE} \
-o /dev/null -passlogfile ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/pass.log -ofps ${OFPS} -vf
softskip,dsize=16:9,scale=${SCALEW}:${SCALEH}:0,harddup -sws 10
-channels 2 -oac faac -faacopts mpeg=4:object=2:br=128 -ovc x264
-x264encopts
pass=1:bitrate=1000:turbo=2:me=umh:me_range=16:dct_decimate:nointerlaced
:no8x8dct:nofast_pskip:trellis=0:partitions=p8x8,i4x4:mixed_refs:keyint=
240:keyint_min=24:psy_rd=0.8,0.0:frameref=1:bframes=0:b_adapt=0:noweight
_b:direct_pred=none:subq=8:chroma_me:nocabac:aq_mode=1:deblock:vbv_maxra
te=1500:vbv_bufsize=1000:level_idc=30:threads=auto:ssim:psnr

nice -n 10 /usr/bin/mencoder -dvd-device ${DVDDEV} dvd://${DVDTITLE}
-aid ${AUDIOTRACK} -sid ${SUBTITLE} \
-o ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/${NEWNAME}.avi -passlogfile
${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/pass.log -ofps ${OFPS} -vf
softskip,dsize=16:9,scale=${SCALEW}:${SCALEH}:0,harddup -sws 10 -af
volnorm,lavcresample=48000:16:1 -srate 48000 -channels 2 -oac faac
-faacopts mpeg=4:object=2:br=128 -ovc x264 -x264encopts
pass=2:bitrate=1000:me=umh:me_range=16:dct_decimate:nointerlaced:no8x8dc
t:nofast_pskip:trellis=0:partitions=p8x8,i4x4:mixed_refs:keyint=240:keyi
nt_min=24:psy_rd=0.8,0.0:frameref=1:bframes=0:b_adapt=0:noweight_b:direc
t_pred=none:subq=8:chroma_me:nocabac:aq_mode=1:deblock:vbv_maxrate=1500:
vbv_bufsize=1000:level_idc=30:threads=auto:ssim:psnr

### Repackage the video and audio into an MP4 container. ###

# Extract the video and audio from the .avi produced above.
/usr/bin/mencoder ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/${NEWNAME}.avi -nosound -ovc copy -of
rawvideo -o ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/h264_video.h264
/usr/bin/MP4Box -aviraw audio ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/${NEWNAME}.avi -out
${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/aac.raw
mv -f ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/aac_audio.raw ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/aac_audio.aac

# Bundle it up into an MP4
/usr/bin/mplayer ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/${NEWNAME}.avi -noconfig all -loop 1
-identify -nosound -vo null -nocache -frames 1 2>/dev/null | grep
'^ID_VIDEO_FPS' | tail -n 1 | awk -F= '{print $2}' >
${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/mp4fps

/usr/bin/MP4Box -fps $(cat ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/mp4fps) -tmp
${TEMP_FILE_DIR} -add ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/h264_video.h264  -add
${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/aac_audio.aac#audio:name="LC-AAC Stereo"   -itags
name="new_droid":comment="Tagged on $(date)"   -ipod -mpeg4 -new
"${NEWNAME}.mp4"

# Clean up after ourselves.
rm -rf ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}

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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Mon Mar 22 10:15:04 2010
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:15:04 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Script for encoding random video files for the Droid
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370492B583@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>


 This script uses mencoder to re-encode video into H264 at 1000
kbits/sec for the Droid. It assumes the original video has a resolution
less than 854x480. If the video is larger, some scaling will need to be
done.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                            (313) 227-2317

 "Science is what we understand well enough to explain to a computer.
          Art is everything else we do." - Donald Knuth

------------------------------------

#!/bin/bash
# Helps handling filenames with spaces
IFS=`printf '\n\t'`

## Set up parameters for encoding

# Where to put temporary files.
TEMP_FILE_DIR=`mktemp -d`

# This is the key parameter we gotta have from the user.
# Spaces in the output file name are probably not a good idea.
if [ -n "$1" ]; then
  NEWNAME=$1
else
  echo Output file name not specified, aborting!
  echo "Usage: " $0 " output-name [input video]"
  exit 0
fi

### Re-encode the video to H264 ###

# Two-pass encoding. Takes longer, but makes a noticeable improvement in
image
# quality for a given bitrate. More passes are possible, but hit the
point of
# diminishing returns very quickly, IMO.
nice -n 10 /usr/bin/mencoder $2 \
-o /dev/null -passlogfile ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/pass.log -vf softskip,harddup
-sws 10 -channels 2 -oac faac -faacopts mpeg=4:object=2:br=128 -ovc x264
-x264encopts
pass=1:bitrate=1000:turbo=2:me=umh:me_range=16:dct_decimate:nointerlaced
:no8x8dct:nofast_pskip:trellis=0:partitions=p8x8,i4x4:mixed_refs:keyint=
240:keyint_min=24:psy_rd=0.8,0.0:frameref=1:bframes=0:b_adapt=0:noweight
_b:direct_pred=none:subq=8:chroma_me:nocabac:aq_mode=1:deblock:vbv_maxra
te=1500:vbv_bufsize=1000:level_idc=30:threads=auto:ssim:psnr

nice -n 10 /usr/bin/mencoder $2 \
-o ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/${NEWNAME}.avi -passlogfile
${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/pass.log -vf softskip,harddup -sws 10 -af
volnorm,lavcresample=48000:16:1 -srate 48000 -channels 2 -oac faac
-faacopts mpeg=4:object=2:br=128 -ovc x264 -x264encopts
pass=2:bitrate=1000:me=umh:me_range=16:dct_decimate:nointerlaced:no8x8dc
t:nofast_pskip:trellis=0:partitions=p8x8,i4x4:mixed_refs:keyint=240:keyi
nt_min=24:psy_rd=0.8,0.0:frameref=1:bframes=0:b_adapt=0:noweight_b:direc
t_pred=none:subq=8:chroma_me:nocabac:aq_mode=1:deblock:vbv_maxrate=1500:
vbv_bufsize=1000:level_idc=30:threads=auto:ssim:psnr

### Repackage the video and audio into an MP4 container. ###

# Extract the video and audio from the .avi produced above.
/usr/bin/mencoder ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/${NEWNAME}.avi -nosound -ovc copy -of
rawvideo -o ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/h264_video.h264
/usr/bin/MP4Box -aviraw audio ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/${NEWNAME}.avi -out
${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/aac.raw
mv -f ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/aac_audio.raw ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/aac_audio.aac

# Bundle it up into an MP4
/usr/bin/mplayer ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/${NEWNAME}.avi -noconfig all -loop 1
-identify -nosound -vo null -nocache -frames 1 2>/dev/null | grep
'^ID_VIDEO_FPS' | tail -n 1 | awk -F= '{print $2}' >
${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/mp4fps
/usr/bin/MP4Box -fps $(cat ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/mp4fps) -tmp
${TEMP_FILE_DIR} -add ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/h264_video.h264  -add
${TEMP_FILE_DIR}/aac_audio.aac#audio:name="LC-AAC Stereo"   -itags
name="new_droid":comment="Tagged on $(date)"   -ipod -mpeg4 -new
"${NEWNAME}.mp4"

# Clean up after ourselves.
rm -rf ${TEMP_FILE_DIR}

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From gib at juno.com  Mon Mar 22 10:39:28 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:39:28 GMT
Subject: [mdlug]  Droid report - Text Editor Needed
Message-ID: <20100322.103928.25230.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com>

 
Make that text editor open source so someone can port in to the other platforms (such as my Blackberry which doesn't have a text editor).

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Ingles, Raymond" <Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com>
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] Droid report
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:55:20 -0400



I've had my Droid phone for close to a week, and figured I'd give a
little report on it.

Hardware-wise, it's awfully good. The screen is beautiful. The camera
takes decent pictures and good video. The speakers are entirely
competent and the sound is good through headphones. The keyboard isn't
quite as good as the rest of it, but it's perfectly serviceable, or will
be once I've messed with the software a little. The micro-USB hookup is
mildly annoying; I have a ton of mini-USB cables laying around, but only
the micro-USB cable that came with the Droid, for now. (Anyone know a
cheap source of micro-USB cables?)

The software is pretty good. Definitely some rough edges, but workable.
The internet functions are solid: the browser's very usable, email works
fine, etc. Had no trouble hooking up to my 802.11g WAP, etc. I was able
to find SSH and VNC clients; haven't tried the VNC client yet, but the
SSH client did well.

Downloaded a few games and toys, enjoyable enough. I've managed to move
over my contacts and secured passwords from my Treo with some conversion
tools. Still working on the calendar, but it looks doable - I found a
Perl script to convert a Palm calendar to iCal format, and that should
be importable once I remove some personal entries.

Video plays very well on this device. With an 854x480 screen, there's
room for every single pixel on a DVD. I've put together some scripts
that convert DVDs and videos for viewing on the Droid (which doesn't
like the AVI or FLV formats but seems happy with MP4) and the results
are a joy to behold. Commuting on the bus is going to be even more
entertaining now. F/X blockbusters were a little anemic at 320x240 (to
fit on the Treo's 320x320 screen) but on the Droid they look beautiful.

There are several programs that I need to write. First up, to my
surprise, is a decent text editor. I figured out how to cut and paste,
but none of the free text editors I've looked at support search or
replace, nor jumping to a particular point in a file. Fortunately,
development doesn't look too hard.

The second thing up is a modification to keyboard input. On the Treo,
there was a utility called "KeyCaps" that sped up typing considerably.
Hold a key for a brief time (I had it set to 1/4 sec) and you'd get the
capital letter. Double-tap within a set time (again, 1/4 sec for me),
and you'd get the punctuation character. Not having to chord keys on a
small keyboard is very useful, and makes a surprising difference in
typing speed and ease.

I want to make a client for my "Ostiary" program, of course, and an
encrypted, secure diary/journal program.

After that, I figure it should be possible to port the old "Maelstrom"
game (Asteroids clone from the original color Macs) without too much
trouble. By the time I've got all the above under my belt, I should be
ready to port a BZflag client that uses the accelerometers for
steering...

Sincerely,

Ray Ingles                                    (313) 227-2317

  "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right;
       and if wrong, to be set right." - Carl Schurz

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From bradmcmahon at gmail.com  Mon Mar 22 10:27:59 2010
From: bradmcmahon at gmail.com (Bradley McMahon)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:27:59 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Droid report
In-Reply-To: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370492B56F@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370492B56F@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <9199bfb1003220727o52ab715ej9e105a36e82ba989@mail.gmail.com>

If the microusb really bugs you get a female mini-usb surface mountable
connector and replace the micro usb. Sure you'll void your warranty but heck
you don't own it unless you mod it.
-Brad



On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Ingles, Raymond <
Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com> wrote:

>
>  I've had my Droid phone for close to a week, and figured I'd give a
> little report on it.
>
>  Hardware-wise, it's awfully good. The screen is beautiful. The camera
> takes decent pictures and good video. The speakers are entirely
> competent and the sound is good through headphones. The keyboard isn't
> quite as good as the rest of it, but it's perfectly serviceable, or will
> be once I've messed with the software a little. The micro-USB hookup is
> mildly annoying; I have a ton of mini-USB cables laying around, but only
> the micro-USB cable that came with the Droid, for now. (Anyone know a
> cheap source of micro-USB cables?)
>
>  The software is pretty good. Definitely some rough edges, but workable.
> The internet functions are solid: the browser's very usable, email works
> fine, etc. Had no trouble hooking up to my 802.11g WAP, etc. I was able
> to find SSH and VNC clients; haven't tried the VNC client yet, but the
> SSH client did well.
>
>  Downloaded a few games and toys, enjoyable enough. I've managed to move
> over my contacts and secured passwords from my Treo with some conversion
> tools. Still working on the calendar, but it looks doable - I found a
> Perl script to convert a Palm calendar to iCal format, and that should
> be importable once I remove some personal entries.
>
>  Video plays very well on this device. With an 854x480 screen, there's
> room for every single pixel on a DVD. I've put together some scripts
> that convert DVDs and videos for viewing on the Droid (which doesn't
> like the AVI or FLV formats but seems happy with MP4) and the results
> are a joy to behold. Commuting on the bus is going to be even more
> entertaining now. F/X blockbusters were a little anemic at 320x240 (to
> fit on the Treo's 320x320 screen) but on the Droid they look beautiful.
>
>  There are several programs that I need to write. First up, to my
> surprise, is a decent text editor. I figured out how to cut and paste,
> but none of the free text editors I've looked at support search or
> replace, nor jumping to a particular point in a file. Fortunately,
> development doesn't look too hard.
>
>  The second thing up is a modification to keyboard input. On the Treo,
> there was a utility called "KeyCaps" that sped up typing considerably.
> Hold a key for a brief time (I had it set to 1/4 sec) and you'd get the
> capital letter. Double-tap within a set time (again, 1/4 sec for me),
> and you'd get the punctuation character. Not having to chord keys on a
> small keyboard is very useful, and makes a surprising difference in
> typing speed and ease.
>
>  I want to make a client for my "Ostiary" program, of course, and an
> encrypted, secure diary/journal program.
>
>  After that, I figure it should be possible to port the old "Maelstrom"
> game (Asteroids clone from the original color Macs) without too much
> trouble. By the time I've got all the above under my belt, I should be
> ready to port a BZflag client that uses the accelerometers for
> steering...
>
>  Sincerely,
>
>  Ray Ingles                                    (313) 227-2317
>
>   "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right;
>        and if wrong, to be set right." - Carl Schurz
>
> The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It
> contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named
> addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose
> it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately
> and then destroy it.
>
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From mdlug at wowway.com  Tue Mar 23 10:25:40 2010
From: mdlug at wowway.com (Dean Durant)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:25:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] supplemental memory?
In-Reply-To: <497425542.22079871269352703342.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
Message-ID: <1227497718.22088011269354340441.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>

Hello, I've gotten to wondering if it's possible to use other devices as memory, like a usb stick, or pcmcia, or even like these little camera memory chips or whatever. This guy where I work has this little tiny chip that he says is 2 GB of storage. It's like half the size of my thumbnail, and not too much thicker. I was amazed when I saw it. 

And so what I mean is during boot, if the kernel sees some sort of high speed storage, can it use that to load programs or anything? 

I know this is a vague question. This is something a legacy OS offered a couple years back or so they claimed. I don't know how well it worked. 

If this were possible, I'm thinking I could do things with my old laptop that might be really slow using virtual. Right now I have damn small on my laptop, and it runs well. I just need to upgrade the kernel, get the right wireless device, and see if I can upgrade firefox, and then it will be perfect for my purposes. 

Just curious, thanks. 


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 10:55:36 2010
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:55:36 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] supplemental memory?
In-Reply-To: <1227497718.22088011269354340441.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
References: <497425542.22079871269352703342.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
	<1227497718.22088011269354340441.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e91003230755r1438acbr21d9ad97f512a8e6@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Dean Durant <mdlug at wowway.com> wrote:
> Hello, I've gotten to wondering if it's possible to use other devices as memory, like a usb stick, or pcmcia, or even like these little camera memory chips or whatever. This guy where I work has this little tiny chip that he says is 2 GB of storage. It's like half the size of my thumbnail, and not too much thicker. I was amazed when I saw it.
>

They are memory.  FLASH memory is faster than hard drives and much
slower than RAM but with a limited write cycle life.

> And so what I mean is during boot, if the kernel sees some sort of high speed storage, can it use that to load programs or anything?
>
> I know this is a vague question. This is something a legacy OS offered a couple years back or so they claimed. I don't know how well it worked.
>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReadyBoost

> If this were possible, I'm thinking I could do things with my old laptop that might be really slow using virtual. Right now I have damn small on my laptop, and it runs well. I just need to upgrade the kernel, get the right wireless device, and see if I can upgrade firefox, and then it will be perfect for my purposes.
>

It will be faster until the FLASH wears out.  The only thing better
than RAM is faster RAM or more RAM.


From mat.enders at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 10:51:29 2010
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:51:29 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] supplemental memory?
Message-ID: <147863538-1269355889-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1299167348-@bda326.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

These devices usually have a limited number of read writes that makes this not practical. If you want to do this anyway you could just create a swap space on the device and mount it
------Original Message------
From: Dean Durant
Sender: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org
To: mdlug
ReplyTo: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: [mdlug] supplemental memory?
Sent: Mar 23, 2010 10:25

Hello, I've gotten to wondering if it's possible to use other devices as memory, like a usb stick, or pcmcia, or even like these little camera memory chips or whatever. This guy where I work has this little tiny chip that he says is 2 GB of storage. It's like half the size of my thumbnail, and not too much thicker. I was amazed when I saw it. 

And so what I mean is during boot, if the kernel sees some sort of high speed storage, can it use that to load programs or anything? 

I know this is a vague question. This is something a legacy OS offered a couple years back or so they claimed. I don't know how well it worked. 

If this were possible, I'm thinking I could do things with my old laptop that might be really slow using virtual. Right now I have damn small on my laptop, and it runs well. I just need to upgrade the kernel, get the right wireless device, and see if I can upgrade firefox, and then it will be perfect for my purposes. 

Just curious, thanks. 
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From z_mikowski at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 23 11:23:29 2010
From: z_mikowski at yahoo.com (Michael Mikowski)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:23:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] supplemental memory?
In-Reply-To: <1227497718.22088011269354340441.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
References: <1227497718.22088011269354340441.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
Message-ID: <746655.40638.qm@web53304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Off the top of my head, probably the closest you are going to get is to use a memory card as your swap space, assuming it is faster than your HD (which it might not be!).  See the 'swapon' command.  Of course, this assumes you can format your memory device to a swap partition (and a few other things).  But hey, its a thought.

As for extending system memory, then only practical approach seems to be is to add memory sticks.  System memory is many, many times faster than memory cards because it uses different technology (e.g. it doesn't need to be persistent).


$0.02




----- Original Message ----
From: Dean Durant <mdlug at wowway.com>
To: mdlug <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 7:25:40 AM
Subject: [mdlug] supplemental memory?

Hello, I've gotten to wondering if it's possible to use other devices as memory, like a usb stick, or pcmcia, or even like these little camera memory chips or whatever. This guy where I work has this little tiny chip that he says is 2 GB of storage. It's like half the size of my thumbnail, and not too much thicker. I was amazed when I saw it. 

And so what I mean is during boot, if the kernel sees some sort of high speed storage, can it use that to load programs or anything? 

I know this is a vague question. This is something a legacy OS offered a couple years back or so they claimed. I don't know how well it worked. 

If this were possible, I'm thinking I could do things with my old laptop that might be really slow using virtual. Right now I have damn small on my laptop, and it runs well. I just need to upgrade the kernel, get the right wireless device, and see if I can upgrade firefox, and then it will be perfect for my purposes. 

Just curious, thanks. 
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From robert.citek at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 11:27:11 2010
From: robert.citek at gmail.com (Robert Citek)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:27:11 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] supplemental memory?
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e91003230755r1438acbr21d9ad97f512a8e6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <497425542.22079871269352703342.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
	<1227497718.22088011269354340441.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
	<b02c40e91003230755r1438acbr21d9ad97f512a8e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4145b6791003230827k66898b91p2028f0b0ebc3f5f6@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com> wrote:
> They are memory. ?FLASH memory is faster than hard drives and much
> slower than RAM but with a limited write cycle life.

I had always thought that flash would be faster than a hard drive
until I did a write test on a USB stick:

$ wtest () { dd if=/dev/zero of=zeros bs=1M count=$1 ; sync ; } ; sync
; time -p wtest 100
100+0 records in
100+0 records out
104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 7.38919 s, 14.2 MB/s
real 20.27
user 0.00
sys 0.63

The write same on my internal harddrive:

$ wtest () { dd if=/dev/zero of=zeros bs=1M count=$1 ; sync ; } ; sync
; time -p wtest 100
100+0 records in
100+0 records out
104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 1.68022 s, 62.4 MB/s
real 3.90
user 0.00
sys 0.63

The hard drive is about 5x faster.  Fairly consistent over multiple tests, too.

Regards,
- Robert


From z_mikowski at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 23 11:56:43 2010
From: z_mikowski at yahoo.com (Michael Mikowski)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:56:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] supplemental memory?
In-Reply-To: <4145b6791003230827k66898b91p2028f0b0ebc3f5f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <497425542.22079871269352703342.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
	<1227497718.22088011269354340441.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
	<b02c40e91003230755r1438acbr21d9ad97f512a8e6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4145b6791003230827k66898b91p2028f0b0ebc3f5f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <760330.87981.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Exactly.

SATA disk will be faster than USB2 memory devices for sequential writes (e.g. larger files).  This is guaranteed due the speed advantage the SATA has over USB2.

Now for random reads, seek time is much lower with memory cards, typically 1ms vs 10ms.  So putting swap on a USB stick will either improve your performance (if the disk is making many small reads), or hurt it.   Given the way Linux pages to swap to the disk, I would put odds on the latter.

Now if you want the best of both worlds, buy a SATA interface memory devices; they are called SSD's.  Last I looked, 256GB ran around ~$800.  But great for database servers.

Cheers, Mike  



----- Original Message ----
From: Robert Citek <robert.citek at gmail.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 8:27:11 AM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] supplemental memory?

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com> wrote:
> They are memory.  FLASH memory is faster than hard drives and much
> slower than RAM but with a limited write cycle life.

I had always thought that flash would be faster than a hard drive
until I did a write test on a USB stick:

$ wtest () { dd if=/dev/zero of=zeros bs=1M count=$1 ; sync ; } ; sync
; time -p wtest 100
100+0 records in
100+0 records out
104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 7.38919 s, 14.2 MB/s
real 20.27
user 0.00
sys 0.63

The write same on my internal harddrive:

$ wtest () { dd if=/dev/zero of=zeros bs=1M count=$1 ; sync ; } ; sync
; time -p wtest 100
100+0 records in
100+0 records out
104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 1.68022 s, 62.4 MB/s
real 3.90
user 0.00
sys 0.63

The hard drive is about 5x faster.  Fairly consistent over multiple tests, too.

Regards,
- Robert
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From robert.citek at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 12:39:06 2010
From: robert.citek at gmail.com (Robert Citek)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:39:06 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] supplemental memory?
In-Reply-To: <760330.87981.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <497425542.22079871269352703342.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
	<1227497718.22088011269354340441.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
	<b02c40e91003230755r1438acbr21d9ad97f512a8e6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4145b6791003230827k66898b91p2028f0b0ebc3f5f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<760330.87981.qm@web53306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4145b6791003230939u267c6a92yf7119ab5ad0ffef7@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Michael Mikowski <z_mikowski at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Now for random reads, seek time is much lower with memory cards, typically 1ms vs 10ms. ?So putting swap on a USB stick will either improve your performance (if the disk is making many small reads), or hurt it. ? Given the way Linux pages to swap to the disk, I would put odds on the latter.

If we assume the total write time is the seek time plus the actual
write time, then given 1 MB of data the total time for flash would be
201ms (=1ms + 200ms) and for my drive would be 50ms (=10ms + 40ms).
There would have to be a lot of very small writes for flash to improve
performance.

Has anyone seen a case where flash (i.e. USB stick or SD card or
similar) has faster write performance than a hard drive?

Even when reading data I get better speeds from a hard drive, although
the drive is now only 2x faster than flash.

Regards,
- Robert


From awilliam at opengroupware.us  Tue Mar 23 12:45:45 2010
From: awilliam at opengroupware.us (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:45:45 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] supplemental memory?
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e91003230755r1438acbr21d9ad97f512a8e6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <497425542.22079871269352703342.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
	<1227497718.22088011269354340441.JavaMail.root@md03.wow.synacor.com>
	<b02c40e91003230755r1438acbr21d9ad97f512a8e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1269362745.3735.30.camel@linux-pqce.site>

On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 10:55 -0400, Jeff Hanson wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Dean Durant <mdlug at wowway.com> wrote:
> > Hello, I've gotten to wondering if it's possible to use other
> devices as memory, like a usb stick, or pcmcia, or even like these
> little camera memory chips or whatever. This guy where I work has this
> little tiny chip that he says is 2 GB of storage. It's like half the
> size of my thumbnail, and not too much thicker. I was amazed when I
> saw it.
> They are memory.  FLASH memory is faster than hard drives

This is not necessarily true.  Benchmarking thumb drives, flash cards,
etc... shows a wide, if not huge, performance spread.  And in any case:
if it connects via USB then your SATA drive is going to be faster.

> > and much slower than RAM but with a limited write cycle life.
> > And so what I mean is during boot, if the kernel sees some sort of 
> > high speed storage, can it use that to load programs or anything?

This isn't possible.

> > I know this is a vague question. This is something a legacy OS
> offered a couple years back or so they claimed. I don't know how well
> it worked.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReadyBoost

It didn't work;  certainly not as you describe.  It merely used the
device's capacity as a file-system cache.  Which may or may not have
been much of a win;  given that it is essentially forgotten I think it
is safe to assume "not win".

> > If this were possible, I'm thinking I could do things with my old
> laptop that might be really slow using virtual. Right now I have damn
> small on my laptop, and it runs well. I just need to upgrade the
> kernel, get the right wireless device, and see if I can upgrade
> firefox, and then it will be perfect for my purposes.

If the chip costs you $40 and you can get a new laptop for $399 - that
chip is already 10% the cost of replacing the laptop.  Replacing the
laptop is where you will reap big performance improvements.

> It will be faster until the FLASH wears out.  The only thing better
> than RAM is faster RAM or more RAM.




From petertheplumber at att.net  Tue Mar 23 13:34:35 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:34:35 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Free Stuff
Message-ID: <20100323133435.76fd6992@Nokia-N800-43-7>

Looks like rack mounted equipment, cd, floppy and tape drive in front.
Along with four empty bays in front. Looks like two power supplies in
back. Prod code KHDHSRPU, TA No A27155-001, other numbers A27330-001
ET. Four pieces. I'm on a job picking up, will dumpster dive if somone
has an interest.

-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber
Sent from a mobile Internet Tablet


From tony at bemushosting.com  Tue Mar 23 13:42:31 2010
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:42:31 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Free Stuff
Message-ID: <0Mh9uD-1OGJi01llx-00MNAq@mrelay.perfora.net>

Oh I would like it!

Tony Bemus
Sent from my smartphone

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Bart <petertheplumber at att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 1:34 PM
To: Metro Detroit Linux Users Group <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] Free Stuff

Looks like rack mounted equipment, cd, floppy and tape drive in front.
Along with four empty bays in front. Looks like two power supplies in
back. Prod code KHDHSRPU, TA No A27155-001, other numbers A27330-001
ET. Four pieces. I'm on a job picking up, will dumpster dive if somone
has an interest.

-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber
Sent from a mobile Internet Tablet
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From petertheplumber at att.net  Tue Mar 23 13:50:25 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:50:25 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Free Stuff
In-Reply-To: <0Mh9uD-1OGJi01llx-00MNAq@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <0Mh9uD-1OGJi01llx-00MNAq@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <20100323135025.22f89bf7@Nokia-N800-43-7>

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:42:31 -0400
Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:

> Oh I would like it!
> 
> Tony Bemus
> Sent from my smartphone
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Bart <petertheplumber at att.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 1:34 PM
> To: Metro Detroit Linux Users Group <mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: [mdlug] Free Stuff
> 
> Looks like rack mounted equipment, cd, floppy and tape drive in front.
> Along with four empty bays in front. Looks like two power supplies in
> back. Prod code KHDHSRPU, TA No A27155-001, other numbers A27330-001
> ET. Four pieces. I'm on a job picking up, will dumpster dive if somone
> has an interest.
> 

They're yours! Details to follow

-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber
Sent from a mobile Internet Tablet


From fulner at alumni.nmu.edu  Tue Mar 23 16:43:10 2010
From: fulner at alumni.nmu.edu (Robert Jim Fulner)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:43:10 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CloneZilla
Message-ID: <c768576f1003231343g11194f88pcf53e2668ddff759@mail.gmail.com>

Have any of you guys ever used Clonezilla? http://www.clonezilla.org/

It looks like just what I'm looking for. All of my
experience/experimentation with GNU/Linux has always been either off of Live
Media or full hard disk installs. I've never dual booted, I recently have
come into a laptop running XP, that Unfortunately I need to keep for some of
the course I'm taking at OCC that require Windoze software that not run so
good in WINE. So I've got that excuse for an operating system working the
way I want to, and I wanted to find a way to save that configuration before
I start playing with various dual boot scenarios. Unfortunately my hard disk
isn't too big (20GB) and my RAM too isn't great (512MB) so I'm not sure if
my preferred distro, Mandraiva, is going to work well. I'm considering
playing with Arch Linux, but wanted to make sure it was easy to get back to
they way my XP set up if something is less than desirable is encountered.

Just looking for any of your experience with Clonezilla, or any better
solutions. Also any other insight on Arch, or a different distrios would be
welcome too. I'd like all my machines to be runnign a different distro, just
for the fun of it. Currently my desktop is running Debian, my XO OLPC of
course is Fedora (sort of) and my other laptop is Puppy Linux.



**
--
Jim Fulner
The DetroitLibertyPenguin
Promoting Free Minds, Free Markets and Free Software
*and whenever possible Free Beer
*"For as long as one of your brothers is not free, none of you are free"
248-765-7458 (cell)
http://www.facebook.com/jim.fulner


From mat.enders at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 16:49:59 2010
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (mat.enders at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:49:59 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] CloneZilla
In-Reply-To: <c768576f1003231343g11194f88pcf53e2668ddff759@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c768576f1003231343g11194f88pcf53e2668ddff759@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <649098100-1269377399-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1360942277-@bda326.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I use clonezilla to image machines at the school all the time and it works great
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Jim Fulner <fulner at alumni.nmu.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:43:10 
To: MDLUG<mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: [mdlug] CloneZilla

Have any of you guys ever used Clonezilla? http://www.clonezilla.org/

It looks like just what I'm looking for. All of my
experience/experimentation with GNU/Linux has always been either off of Live
Media or full hard disk installs. I've never dual booted, I recently have
come into a laptop running XP, that Unfortunately I need to keep for some of
the course I'm taking at OCC that require Windoze software that not run so
good in WINE. So I've got that excuse for an operating system working the
way I want to, and I wanted to find a way to save that configuration before
I start playing with various dual boot scenarios. Unfortunately my hard disk
isn't too big (20GB) and my RAM too isn't great (512MB) so I'm not sure if
my preferred distro, Mandraiva, is going to work well. I'm considering
playing with Arch Linux, but wanted to make sure it was easy to get back to
they way my XP set up if something is less than desirable is encountered.

Just looking for any of your experience with Clonezilla, or any better
solutions. Also any other insight on Arch, or a different distrios would be
welcome too. I'd like all my machines to be runnign a different distro, just
for the fun of it. Currently my desktop is running Debian, my XO OLPC of
course is Fedora (sort of) and my other laptop is Puppy Linux.



**
--
Jim Fulner
The DetroitLibertyPenguin
Promoting Free Minds, Free Markets and Free Software
*and whenever possible Free Beer
*"For as long as one of your brothers is not free, none of you are free"
248-765-7458 (cell)
http://www.facebook.com/jim.fulner
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From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 17:02:27 2010
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:02:27 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CloneZilla
In-Reply-To: <c768576f1003231343g11194f88pcf53e2668ddff759@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c768576f1003231343g11194f88pcf53e2668ddff759@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e91003231402w2a822744o48ea6cc82788bb11@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Robert Jim Fulner
<fulner at alumni.nmu.edu> wrote:
> Have any of you guys ever used Clonezilla? http://www.clonezilla.org/
>

I think I've used it on the Parted Magic distro.  Works well enough with XP.
http://partedmagic.com


From petertheplumber at att.net  Tue Mar 23 17:11:45 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:11:45 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Free Stuff P3 700Mghz Servers
In-Reply-To: <20100323133435.76fd6992@Nokia-N800-43-7>
References: <20100323133435.76fd6992@Nokia-N800-43-7>
Message-ID: <20100323171145.7c003c14@Nokia-N800-43-7>

On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:34:35 -0400
Peter Bart <petertheplumber at att.net> wrote:

> Looks like rack mounted equipment, cd, floppy and tape drive in front.
> Along with four empty bays in front. Looks like two power supplies in
> back. Prod code KHDHSRPU, TA No A27155-001, other numbers A27330-001
> ET. Four pieces. I'm on a job picking up, will dumpster dive if somone
> has an interest.
> 

    Turns out these are servers. I have three more I liberated, two
    with SCSI cards. One has some ram in it. First come first serve!

-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber
Sent from a mobile Internet Tablet


From mark.stanislav at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 18:31:23 2010
From: mark.stanislav at gmail.com (Mark Stanislav)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:31:23 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CloneZilla
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e91003231402w2a822744o48ea6cc82788bb11@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c768576f1003231343g11194f88pcf53e2668ddff759@mail.gmail.com> 
	<b02c40e91003231402w2a822744o48ea6cc82788bb11@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c8b98b91003231531l79eaa5c3h960156faf6ff5996@mail.gmail.com>

Really big fan of Clonezilla. Used it to do image testing for a distro
I was building for a company. I found it flexible and easy to use.

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Robert Jim Fulner
> <fulner at alumni.nmu.edu> wrote:
>> Have any of you guys ever used Clonezilla? http://www.clonezilla.org/
>>
>
> I think I've used it on the Parted Magic distro. ?Works well enough with XP.
> http://partedmagic.com
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From robert.citek at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 23:12:06 2010
From: robert.citek at gmail.com (Robert Citek)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:12:06 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] CloneZilla
In-Reply-To: <c768576f1003231343g11194f88pcf53e2668ddff759@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c768576f1003231343g11194f88pcf53e2668ddff759@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4145b6791003232012mc2d6f82q8af3c9401ffda2bf@mail.gmail.com>

Good move on thinking about backing up your data before touching the disk.

While you may have your heart set on resizing and repartitioning for a
dual boot, another option would be to use an external USB drive.

About a year ago I had a company laptop on which I was not allowed to
install anything on WinXP.  Yet the projects I was working on required
a full Linux install.  The ideal setup would have been to install a
VM.  But since that was out of the question, my solution was to change
the boot order in the BIOS, install Linux on an extern USB drive, and
make the USB drive bootable.  In the ends, the internal hard drive
stayed virgin and I was able to get the projects completed.  Here are
some photos of the setup:

http://picasaweb.google.com/Robert.Citek/USBDrive#

Good luck on whatever path you take and please let us know how it goes.

Regards,
- Robert

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Robert Jim Fulner
<fulner at alumni.nmu.edu> wrote:
> It looks like just what I'm looking for. All of my
> experience/experimentation with GNU/Linux has always been either off of Live
> Media or full hard disk installs. I've never dual booted, I recently have
> come into a laptop running XP, that Unfortunately I need to keep for some of
> the course I'm taking at OCC that require Windoze software that not run so
> good in WINE. So I've got that excuse for an operating system working the
> way I want to, and I wanted to find a way to save that configuration before
> I start playing with various dual boot scenarios. Unfortunately my hard disk
> isn't too big (20GB) and my RAM too isn't great (512MB) so I'm not sure if
> my preferred distro, Mandraiva, is going to work well. I'm considering
> playing with Arch Linux, but wanted to make sure it was easy to get back to
> they way my XP set up if something is less than desirable is encountered.
>
> Just looking for any of your experience with Clonezilla, or any better
> solutions. Also any other insight on Arch, or a different distrios would be
> welcome too. I'd like all my machines to be runnign a different distro, just
> for the fun of it. Currently my desktop is running Debian, my XO OLPC of
> course is Fedora (sort of) and my other laptop is Puppy Linux.


From matthew at lechleider.com  Wed Mar 24 18:13:02 2010
From: matthew at lechleider.com (Matthew Lechleider)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:13:02 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Drupal Jam Chicago is this Saturday! (all day!)
Message-ID: <4BAA8E6E.101@lechleider.com>

CDMUG's Spring Jam is this Saturday and today is the last day to request 
catering. Registering by midnight tonight is the only way to ensure the 
super special gourmet food provided by Sasha Ruge of Chef's Palette. 
Register early to guarantee Internet access which requires each attendee 
to utilize a university user login account.

We are excited to see attendees traveling from all over the midwest. The 
entire CDMUG community is looking forward to hanging out with everyone 
all day on Saturday. If you have any questions, comments, want to 
sponsor, or can help out in any way, let us know - 
http://jam.cdmug.org/contact

The goal for Jam is to keep all skill levels entertained throughout the 
entire day.


.oO0-Presentations-0Oo.
If you are an advanced Drupal nerd looking for presentations on cutting 
edge topics, look no further. We are proud to present seven Drupal 7 
presentations until 7:00 pm.

10:00 - 11:30 Intro To Drupal 7 Presented By: Larry Garfield
11:45 - 12:30 Themes in Drupal 7 Presented By: Brandon Morrison
1:30 - 3:00 Fields/CCK and Views with Drupal 7 Presented By: Doug Vann
3:15 - 4:00 Drupal 7 API Presented By: Larry Garfield
4:15 - 5:00 Shopping Cart Systems Presented By: Ruben Rodriguez
5:00 - 6:00 Accessibility in Drupal 7 Presented By: Katherine Lynch
6:00 - 7:00 Mystery Session Presented By: Un Known


.oO0-Workshops-0Oo.
New users are encouraged to participate in one of our two workshops: 
"Drupal for Everyone" or "Drupal for Designers". Both workshops will 
start as an introduction to Drupal, but people interested design/themes 
will gain more from "Drupal For Designers".

10:30 - 12:30 Introduction and Basics
12:30 - 1:30 Break for Lunch
1:30 - 3:30 Lecture, demonstrations, and hands-on examples.
3:30 - 4:00 Q&A

Workshop 1: Introduction to Drupal For Everyone
Instructors: Matthew Lechleider & Sean Charles

Workshop 2: Introduction to Drupal For Designers
Instructors:Hans Riemenschneider & Bob Snodgrass


.oO0-DrupalconSF Contest-0Oo.
Friday March 26th 7:00 pm is the deadline to enter our Drupalcon San 
Francisco contest. During lunch we will bring the top 5 finalists on 
stage for Drupalympics. One winner will receive a sponsorship for their 
trip to Drupalcon, compliments of CDMUG and Trellon. After registering 
for the Jam, be sure to fill out an entry form at 
http://jam.cdmug.org/contest


http://jam.cdmug.org

Event Registration - http://jam.cdmug.org/user/registration


- Matthew at Lechleider.com



From petertheplumber at att.net  Wed Mar 24 23:28:55 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 23:28:55 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Dell Optiplex GX520 Won't Boot From CD
Message-ID: <1269487735.10435.386.camel@plumber-notebook.site>

Hi Everyone,
	Ok, so it's been my week to dumpster dive. I rescued the Dell from
another dumpster, thinking I might be able to resurrect it as a Linux
box for my coworker whose XP machine is on it's last legs. I'm able to
get into the BIOS look around and change things. I see the hard drive,
cd/dvd drive, and floppy are all recognized and enabled in the boot
order and elsewhere in the BIOS. It tries to boot XP but stops at a blue
screen very shortly after the Windows splash. Booting from CD yields
nothing, not even a hum from the drive although the idiot light comes
on. I can boot from the floppy; go figure; using an old DSL boot floppy
I have. This just gets me into a very limited shell, I would need to
bone up on that. I unplugged the computer, opened it up and pulled and
reseated the drive connectors. I pulled and reset; after several
minutes; the CMOS battery. I pulled on the drive power connectors, but
when they didn't easily come out settled for firmly seating them. Still
no luck. I'm going to try an external CD drive, if I can find one.
	My questions are: Does anyone know that this is a known issue that I
just haven't found out about? Might it be worth the time to work on it a
bit more?
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From z_mikowski at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 24 23:38:57 2010
From: z_mikowski at yahoo.com (Michael Mikowski)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 20:38:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Dell Optiplex GX520 Won't Boot From CD
In-Reply-To: <1269487735.10435.386.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
References: <1269487735.10435.386.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
Message-ID: <990526.10868.qm@web53301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Maybe reset the BIOS?  If you haven't done it before, its typically done with a jumper on the mobo.

Cheers, Mike




----- Original Message ----
From: Peter Bart <petertheplumber at att.net>
To: MDLUG Main List <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 8:28:55 PM
Subject: [mdlug] Dell Optiplex GX520 Won't Boot From CD

Hi Everyone,
    Ok, so it's been my week to dumpster dive. I rescued the Dell from
another dumpster, thinking I might be able to resurrect it as a Linux
box for my coworker whose XP machine is on it's last legs. I'm able to
get into the BIOS look around and change things. I see the hard drive,
cd/dvd drive, and floppy are all recognized and enabled in the boot
order and elsewhere in the BIOS. It tries to boot XP but stops at a blue
screen very shortly after the Windows splash. Booting from CD yields
nothing, not even a hum from the drive although the idiot light comes
on. I can boot from the floppy; go figure; using an old DSL boot floppy
I have. This just gets me into a very limited shell, I would need to
bone up on that. I unplugged the computer, opened it up and pulled and
reseated the drive connectors. I pulled and reset; after several
minutes; the CMOS battery. I pulled on the drive power connectors, but
when they didn't easily come out settled for firmly seating them. Still
no luck. I'm going to try an external CD drive, if I can find one.
    My questions are: Does anyone know that this is a known issue that I
just haven't found out about? Might it be worth the time to work on it a
bit more?
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber

_______________________________________________
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From jbroughton at twmi.rr.com  Wed Mar 24 23:43:55 2010
From: jbroughton at twmi.rr.com (Jim Broughton)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 23:43:55 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Dell Optiplex GX520 Won't Boot From CD
In-Reply-To: <1269487735.10435.386.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
References: <1269487735.10435.386.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
Message-ID: <4BAADBFB.2070608@twmi.rr.com>

CD drives fail all the time. Pull a CD drive from some other computer
and see if it works. Kind of irks me that they fail so much. Been through
at least 6 in the last 10 years. (includes CDRW drives and DVD drives as 
well).

Jim



Peter Bart wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> 	Ok, so it's been my week to dumpster dive. I rescued the Dell from
> another dumpster, thinking I might be able to resurrect it as a Linux
> box for my coworker whose XP machine is on it's last legs. I'm able to
> get into the BIOS look around and change things. I see the hard drive,
> cd/dvd drive, and floppy are all recognized and enabled in the boot
> order and elsewhere in the BIOS. It tries to boot XP but stops at a blue
> screen very shortly after the Windows splash. Booting from CD yields
> nothing, not even a hum from the drive although the idiot light comes
> on. I can boot from the floppy; go figure; using an old DSL boot floppy
> I have. This just gets me into a very limited shell, I would need to
> bone up on that. I unplugged the computer, opened it up and pulled and
> reseated the drive connectors. I pulled and reset; after several
> minutes; the CMOS battery. I pulled on the drive power connectors, but
> when they didn't easily come out settled for firmly seating them. Still
> no luck. I'm going to try an external CD drive, if I can find one.
> 	My questions are: Does anyone know that this is a known issue that I
> just haven't found out about? Might it be worth the time to work on it a
> bit more?
>   



From tesral at wowway.com  Wed Mar 24 23:31:52 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 23:31:52 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Dell Optiplex GX520 Won't Boot From CD
In-Reply-To: <1269487735.10435.386.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
References: <1269487735.10435.386.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
Message-ID: <4BAAD928.2060603@wowway.com>

Peter Bart wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> 	My questions are: Does anyone know that this is a known issue that I
> just haven't found out about? Might it be worth the time to work on it a
> bit more?
>   

Put it back in the dumpster?

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it -- and stop there -- lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove-lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove-lid again, and that is well; but also she will never sit down on a cold one any more. -Mark Twain
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From petertheplumber at att.net  Wed Mar 24 23:51:47 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 23:51:47 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Dell Optiplex GX520 Won't Boot From CD
In-Reply-To: <4BAAD928.2060603@wowway.com>
References: <1269487735.10435.386.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
	<4BAAD928.2060603@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <1269489107.10435.387.camel@plumber-notebook.site>

On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 23:31 -0400, Garry Stahl wrote:
> Peter Bart wrote:
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > 	My questions are: Does anyone know that this is a known issue that I
> > just haven't found out about? Might it be worth the time to work on it a
> > bit more?
> >   
> 
> Put it back in the dumpster?
> 
	See, I like that idea!! I should have simply dropped that broken old
toilet on it to begin with!!!
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From robert.citek at gmail.com  Thu Mar 25 15:52:59 2010
From: robert.citek at gmail.com (Robert Citek)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:52:59 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] mount NTFS partition as user
Message-ID: <4145b6791003251252j7d91d5f2rf86f7efe0cdfe708@mail.gmail.com>

I'm running Ubuntu 9.04 and have an Windows NTFS partition on a USB
drive.  When I plug the USB drive into my machine, I can mount the
drive by clicking on Places > WindowsXP and Ubuntu will mount the
drive at /media/WindowsXP.  How can I accomplish the same at the
command line?  That is, how can I as a user mount the WindowsXP
partition to /media/WindowsXP?

The command pmount used to work for this, but I am having two issues
with pmount.  First, I need to know the partition, which means I need
to use blkid to figure out which partition has the label WindowsXP.
Second, pmount complains that my WindowsXP is not removable.

The alternative is to use this:

$ mkdir /media/WindowsXP && sudo mount $(sudo blkid | grep WindowsXP |
cut -d: -f1) WindowsXP

although that's not very elegant.

Any nicer suggestions?

BTW, I'm having the same issue with Ubuntu 8.04 and 8.10.

Regards,
- Robert


From devanhoe at gmail.com  Thu Mar 25 16:38:06 2010
From: devanhoe at gmail.com (Dennis VanHoey)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:38:06 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] mount NTFS partition as user
In-Reply-To: <4145b6791003251252j7d91d5f2rf86f7efe0cdfe708@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4145b6791003251252j7d91d5f2rf86f7efe0cdfe708@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <615fa0ed1003251338m47cca20bpdd021353d8a09880@mail.gmail.com>

would autofs [http://www.autofs.org/] suffice? Then mounting is automated
and would be available in either case.

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Robert Citek <robert.citek at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm running Ubuntu 9.04 and have an Windows NTFS partition on a USB
> drive.  When I plug the USB drive into my machine, I can mount the
> drive by clicking on Places > WindowsXP and Ubuntu will mount the
> drive at /media/WindowsXP.  How can I accomplish the same at the
> command line?  That is, how can I as a user mount the WindowsXP
> partition to /media/WindowsXP?
>
> The command pmount used to work for this, but I am having two issues
> with pmount.  First, I need to know the partition, which means I need
> to use blkid to figure out which partition has the label WindowsXP.
> Second, pmount complains that my WindowsXP is not removable.
>
> The alternative is to use this:
>
> $ mkdir /media/WindowsXP && sudo mount $(sudo blkid | grep WindowsXP |
> cut -d: -f1) WindowsXP
>
> although that's not very elegant.
>
> Any nicer suggestions?
>
> BTW, I'm having the same issue with Ubuntu 8.04 and 8.10.
>
> Regards,
> - Robert
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>


From robert.citek at gmail.com  Thu Mar 25 16:58:20 2010
From: robert.citek at gmail.com (Robert Citek)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:58:20 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] mount NTFS partition as user
In-Reply-To: <615fa0ed1003251338m47cca20bpdd021353d8a09880@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4145b6791003251252j7d91d5f2rf86f7efe0cdfe708@mail.gmail.com>
	<615fa0ed1003251338m47cca20bpdd021353d8a09880@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4145b6791003251358m56c5470fv42fbe54300e30f39@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Dennis VanHoey <devanhoe at gmail.com> wrote:
> would autofs [http://www.autofs.org/] suffice? Then mounting is automated
> and would be available in either case.

That would work, but it's a bit clumsy.

I guess I'm just curious to know how Nautilus does it and then try to
mimic that at the command line.

Regards,
- Robert


From petertheplumber at att.net  Thu Mar 25 17:50:56 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:50:56 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Dell Optiplex GX520 Won't Boot From CD
In-Reply-To: <4BAADBFB.2070608@twmi.rr.com>
References: <1269487735.10435.386.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
	<4BAADBFB.2070608@twmi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1269553856.10435.458.camel@plumber-notebook.site>

On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 23:43 -0400, Jim Broughton wrote:
> CD drives fail all the time. Pull a CD drive from some other computer
> and see if it works. Kind of irks me that they fail so much. Been through
> at least 6 in the last 10 years. (includes CDRW drives and DVD drives as 
> well).
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> Peter Bart wrote:
> > Hi Everyone,
> > 	Ok, so it's been my week to dumpster dive. I rescued the Dell from
> > another dumpster, thinking I might be able to resurrect it as a Linux
> > box for my coworker whose XP machine is on it's last legs. I'm able to
> > get into the BIOS look around and change things. I see the hard drive,
> > cd/dvd drive, and floppy are all recognized and enabled in the boot
> > order and elsewhere in the BIOS. It tries to boot XP but stops at a blue
> > screen very shortly after the Windows splash. Booting from CD yields
> > nothing, not even a hum from the drive although the idiot light comes
> > on. I can boot from the floppy; go figure; using an old DSL boot floppy
> > I have. This just gets me into a very limited shell, I would need to
> > bone up on that. I unplugged the computer, opened it up and pulled and
> > reseated the drive connectors. I pulled and reset; after several
> > minutes; the CMOS battery. I pulled on the drive power connectors, but
> > when they didn't easily come out settled for firmly seating them. Still
> > no luck. I'm going to try an external CD drive, if I can find one.
> > 	My questions are: Does anyone know that this is a known issue that I
> > just haven't found out about? Might it be worth the time to work on it a
> > bit more?
> >   
> 
	And that's what it was. I've got it running a rescue disk taking a look
around. I'm planning on putting Xubuntu on it even though it has two
cores. It's supposed to be a Pentium D 800mhz, which the BIOS confirms.
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From devanhoe at gmail.com  Thu Mar 25 18:04:18 2010
From: devanhoe at gmail.com (Dennis VanHoey)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:04:18 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] mount NTFS partition as user
In-Reply-To: <4145b6791003251358m56c5470fv42fbe54300e30f39@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4145b6791003251252j7d91d5f2rf86f7efe0cdfe708@mail.gmail.com>
	<615fa0ed1003251338m47cca20bpdd021353d8a09880@mail.gmail.com>
	<4145b6791003251358m56c5470fv42fbe54300e30f39@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <615fa0ed1003251504h706a213btec234f0235ae9331@mail.gmail.com>

My brain wants to say that its a wrapper around gvfs-mount, but its been
over two years since I last had to fiddle with a file system.

[http://www.unix.com/man-page/All/1/gvfs-mount/]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Robert Citek <robert.citek at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Dennis VanHoey <devanhoe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > would autofs [http://www.autofs.org/] suffice? Then mounting is
> automated
> > and would be available in either case.
>
> That would work, but it's a bit clumsy.
>
> I guess I'm just curious to know how Nautilus does it and then try to
> mimic that at the command line.
>
> Regards,
> - Robert
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>


From petertheplumber at att.net  Fri Mar 26 10:05:56 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:05:56 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Smartctl Reports Errors on HDD
Message-ID: <1269612356.10435.560.camel@plumber-notebook.site>

Hi Everyone,
	So I have my garbage machine with a new DVD drive in it and ran
Smartctl from the Parted Magic boot disc. Smartctl consistently reports
errors at the same point, and general health as passed. Which would be
confirmed by the original OS failing to boot and blue screening at the
same point each time? At any rate, I think I understand I need to write
to the corrupted sector to force the hard drive to permanently not use
that sector. I have the smartctl output, and the bad block howto from
their website. Zeroing the drive using dd seems to accomplish the same
thing, I'm assuming here at the expense of time.
	Time I do have, I can set the machine to running with dd and go do
other things. And yes I know drives are cheap. I don't really want to
spend anymore than absolutely necessary. I've allready replaced the DVD
burner, and toyed with the idea of adding to the 1gb of ram.
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From robert.citek at gmail.com  Fri Mar 26 15:47:15 2010
From: robert.citek at gmail.com (Robert Citek)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:47:15 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Fwd: [ubuntu-us-mi] Ubuntu Global Jam - Michigan Style!
In-Reply-To: <20100316205458.GF3557@grossmeier.net>
References: <20100316205458.GF3557@grossmeier.net>
Message-ID: <4145b6791003261247k1b491635p7f991d56287d4d65@mail.gmail.com>

Thought folks here might be interested.  For those on Facebook, here's
a link to the event:

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=107688175925514

Regards,
- Robert

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Greg Grossmeier <greg at grossmeier.net>
Date: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 4:54 PM
Subject: [ubuntu-us-mi] Ubuntu Global Jam - Michigan Style!
To: Michigan Ubuntu Local Community Team <ubuntu-us-mi at lists.ubuntu.com>


Hello Everyone!

That's right, the Michigan LoCo is participating in the Ubuntu Global Jam
and we'll be getting together on the East side of the state at the
Clinton-Macomb Public Library.

What is a Global Jam? Lets quote from the wiki page:
The Ubuntu Global Jam is an incredible opportunity for the Ubuntu
community to unite together around the weekend of 26th - 28th March 2010
to work together to improve Ubuntu. Everyone is able to contribute to the
Jam, and everyone is welcome and encouraged to get involved. Curious
about how to make a real difference to Ubuntu? This is a great chance to
make that difference.

The Ubuntu Global Jam incorporates events that have been organized over
the world to get Ubuntu contributors and fans together to have a great
time and improve Ubuntu.

From: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam

For more information and to register, please go here:
http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/38/detail/
(you'll need a Launchpad account to register)

Hope to see a lot of new faces!

Best,

Greg

--
| ? ? ? Greg Grossmeier |
| http://grossmeier.net |

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From al at bighealey.org  Sun Mar 28 22:26:41 2010
From: al at bighealey.org (Al Fuller)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 22:26:41 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Droid - micro usb
In-Reply-To: <9199bfb1003220727o52ab715ej9e105a36e82ba989@mail.gmail.com>
References: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370492B56F@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<9199bfb1003220727o52ab715ej9e105a36e82ba989@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003801cacee7$4521ca10$cf655e30$@org>

I think I read that all the mobile phone devices, and maybe a host of others
too, are going to micro-usb as a standard.  The government was pushing them,
and may have set up a standard [I haven't looked it up...].

In any event, I had the same problem you have [lots of mini-usb, no micro
usb laying around] - but decided to just move forward, as opposed to taking
the device backwards...

Al Fuller
al at bighealey.org
'62 BT-7
'65 BJ-8
'85 Rx-7


-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of
Bradley McMahon
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 10:28 AM
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Droid report

If the microusb really bugs you get a female mini-usb surface mountable
connector and replace the micro usb. Sure you'll void your warranty but heck
you don't own it unless you mod it.
-Brad



On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Ingles, Raymond <
Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com> wrote:

>
>  I've had my Droid phone for close to a week, and figured I'd give a
> little report on it.
>
>  Hardware-wise, it's awfully good. The screen is beautiful. The camera
> takes decent pictures and good video. The speakers are entirely
> competent and the sound is good through headphones. The keyboard isn't
> quite as good as the rest of it, but it's perfectly serviceable, or will
> be once I've messed with the software a little. The micro-USB hookup is
> mildly annoying; I have a ton of mini-USB cables laying around, but only
> the micro-USB cable that came with the Droid, for now. (Anyone know a
> cheap source of micro-USB cables?)
>
>  The software is pretty good. Definitely some rough edges, but workable.
> The internet functions are solid: the browser's very usable, email works
> fine, etc. Had no trouble hooking up to my 802.11g WAP, etc. I was able
> to find SSH and VNC clients; haven't tried the VNC client yet, but the
> SSH client did well.
>
>  Downloaded a few games and toys, enjoyable enough. I've managed to move
> over my contacts and secured passwords from my Treo with some conversion
> tools. Still working on the calendar, but it looks doable - I found a
> Perl script to convert a Palm calendar to iCal format, and that should
> be importable once I remove some personal entries.
>
>  Video plays very well on this device. With an 854x480 screen, there's
> room for every single pixel on a DVD. I've put together some scripts
> that convert DVDs and videos for viewing on the Droid (which doesn't
> like the AVI or FLV formats but seems happy with MP4) and the results
> are a joy to behold. Commuting on the bus is going to be even more
> entertaining now. F/X blockbusters were a little anemic at 320x240 (to
> fit on the Treo's 320x320 screen) but on the Droid they look beautiful.
>
>  There are several programs that I need to write. First up, to my
> surprise, is a decent text editor. I figured out how to cut and paste,
> but none of the free text editors I've looked at support search or
> replace, nor jumping to a particular point in a file. Fortunately,
> development doesn't look too hard.
>
>  The second thing up is a modification to keyboard input. On the Treo,
> there was a utility called "KeyCaps" that sped up typing considerably.
> Hold a key for a brief time (I had it set to 1/4 sec) and you'd get the
> capital letter. Double-tap within a set time (again, 1/4 sec for me),
> and you'd get the punctuation character. Not having to chord keys on a
> small keyboard is very useful, and makes a surprising difference in
> typing speed and ease.
>
>  I want to make a client for my "Ostiary" program, of course, and an
> encrypted, secure diary/journal program.
>
>  After that, I figure it should be possible to port the old "Maelstrom"
> game (Asteroids clone from the original color Macs) without too much
> trouble. By the time I've got all the above under my belt, I should be
> ready to port a BZflag client that uses the accelerometers for
> steering...
>
>  Sincerely,
>
>  Ray Ingles                                    (313) 227-2317
>
>   "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right;
>        and if wrong, to be set right." - Carl Schurz
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From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Mon Mar 29 09:15:40 2010
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:15:40 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Smartctl Reports Errors on HDD
In-Reply-To: <1269612356.10435.560.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
References: <1269612356.10435.560.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
Message-ID: <9FB6372000B099469B46478B643EE4690224DDE016@EXCCRVS1.mi.corp.rockfin.com>

Does the smartctl output tell you which block is bad?  If so, you could use dd with the
skip= parameter to seek out the bad block and destroy it.  In a hard drive bad block 
mapping sense, of course. :)



-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Peter Bart
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 10:06 AM
To: MDLUG Main List
Subject: [mdlug] Smartctl Reports Errors on HDD

Hi Everyone,
	So I have my garbage machine with a new DVD drive in it and ran
Smartctl from the Parted Magic boot disc. Smartctl consistently reports
errors at the same point, and general health as passed. Which would be
confirmed by the original OS failing to boot and blue screening at the
same point each time? At any rate, I think I understand I need to write
to the corrupted sector to force the hard drive to permanently not use
that sector. I have the smartctl output, and the bad block howto from
their website. Zeroing the drive using dd seems to accomplish the same
thing, I'm assuming here at the expense of time.
	Time I do have, I can set the machine to running with dd and go do
other things. And yes I know drives are cheap. I don't really want to
spend anymore than absolutely necessary. I've allready replaced the DVD
burner, and toyed with the idea of adding to the 1gb of ram.
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber

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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 29 15:03:24 2010
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:03:24 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [Offtopic] Commodore,
 the same company behind the Commodore 64, is back.]
Message-ID: <4BB0F97C.7020407@gmail.com>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Offtopic] Commodore, the same company behind the Commodore 64,	is back.
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:46:39 -0400
From: Fred A. Miller <fmiller at lightlink.com>
Reply-To: fmiller at lightlink.com
To: Lew's Off-Topic List <offtopic at sweet-haven.com>

http://www.commodoreusa.net/tech.html

Commodore, the same company behind the Commodore 64, is back.  Their
first major US product in decades is a feature rich all-in-one
keyboard PC pre-installed with Ubuntu Linux.

The unit comes with an Intel Core 2 Duo processor upgradeable to 3GHz
on an Intel G31 Express Chipset mobo that supports up to 4GB of
PC2-5300 667MHz&  PC2- 6400 800MHz DDR2 RAM.  Graphics are provided by
an Intel GMA 3100 and support for two displays.  Storage is done via
SATA2 with an option to upgrade to 2TBs, and there is also an option
for a removable HDD as well.  The computer can be expanded with 4 USB
2.0 slots, two serial port, PS/2 mouse&  keyboard ports, a parallel
printer port, and combined mini-PCI/PCI-e port.  Network is via
Gigabit LAN or optional Wi-Fi, which also includes a Bluetooth radio
as well.  Sound is provided by a Realtek AL888 High Definition Audio
which is Ubuntu compatible out of the box.  The optical drive can be a
standard DVD-RW or Blu-Ray drive.  The AMI BIOS supports booting from
USB devices, and the system has EFI support (meaning its Hackintosh
ready), and the full-sized keyboard features a laptop style touch pad
mouse.  Though the specs don't list it, in one of the images you can
clearly see what looks like a credit card swipe slot-reader.

The product isn't going to be officially rolled out until June.  The
biggest deal is this machine is the fact that its pre-installed with
Ubuntu by default and uses hardware that is very Linux friendly.  A
number of other operating systems are listed as being compatible.
They also say it can run Mac OS X, but you have to turn it into a
Hackintosh yourself and buy Mac OS X yourself.  This doesn't make them
legally liable to Apple, a smart move.

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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 29 15:04:20 2010
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:04:20 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: Re: [Offtopic] Commodore,
 the same company behind the Commodore 64, is back.]
Message-ID: <4BB0F9B4.8060503@gmail.com>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Offtopic] Commodore, the same company behind the Commodore 64, is back.
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 07:46:57 -0700
From: Tom Walker <tlwalker at nethere.com>
To: fmiller at lightlink.com
CC: Lew's Off-Topic List <offtopic at sweet-haven.com>
References: <4BAAA45F.8060405 at lightlink.com>

That is just the Use of the Name. they have NO connection to the old 
commodore computer people.
I found it interesting. The Keyboard computer lived on after Commodore 
departed the field but was a small nitch market until recently others, 
HP and Mac to name two, jumped into the market.
the old Commodore 128 was the only New prebuilt that I ever purchased. I 
picked it because of the CPM side of the machine and the ready 
availability of Osborne/KayPro software. Wordstar for CPM was my First 
Wordprocessor but I liked Runscript 128 quite a bit also. Even did my 
Taxes for a few years using Kaypro CPM tax software.
The most exciting thing seems to be it's Hanckirtosh capabilities.
there is a Canadian grade school computer teacher that put the Mac OS on 
his Netbook and is really impressed with it. He also has a real mac 
though so may be a little biased. But most anything beats windows and I 
am waiting for Ubuntu to grow into the common mans OS. IT is not really 
there yet, still has some driver and other issues,  but closer than most 
any other Linux distribution.
By the way in the Linux Fido Echo the word got out. THERE are more and 
more Linux virus writers coming on line as time passes so YOUR bragging 
days are numbered!!  :-)  :-).

Tom Walker

Fred A. Miller wrote:
> http://www.commodoreusa.net/tech.html
>
> Commodore, the same company behind the Commodore 64, is back.  Their
> first major US product in decades is a feature rich all-in-one
> keyboard PC pre-installed with Ubuntu Linux.
>
> The unit comes with an Intel Core 2 Duo processor upgradeable to 3GHz
> on an Intel G31 Express Chipset mobo that supports up to 4GB of
> PC2-5300 667MHz&  PC2- 6400 800MHz DDR2 RAM.  Graphics are provided by
> an Intel GMA 3100 and support for two displays.  Storage is done via
> SATA2 with an option to upgrade to 2TBs, and there is also an option
> for a removable HDD as well.  The computer can be expanded with 4 USB
> 2.0 slots, two serial port, PS/2 mouse&  keyboard ports, a parallel
> printer port, and combined mini-PCI/PCI-e port.  Network is via
> Gigabit LAN or optional Wi-Fi, which also includes a Bluetooth radio
> as well.  Sound is provided by a Realtek AL888 High Definition Audio
> which is Ubuntu compatible out of the box.  The optical drive can be a
> standard DVD-RW or Blu-Ray drive.  The AMI BIOS supports booting from
> USB devices, and the system has EFI support (meaning its Hackintosh
> ready), and the full-sized keyboard features a laptop style touch pad
> mouse.  Though the specs don't list it, in one of the images you can
> clearly see what looks like a credit card swipe slot-reader.
>
> The product isn't going to be officially rolled out until June.  The
> biggest deal is this machine is the fact that its pre-installed with
> Ubuntu by default and uses hardware that is very Linux friendly.  A
> number of other operating systems are listed as being compatible.
> They also say it can run Mac OS X, but you have to turn it into a
> Hackintosh yourself and buy Mac OS X yourself.  This doesn't make them
> legally liable to Apple, a smart move.
>
>   
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From radkins at impelind.com  Mon Mar 29 15:15:14 2010
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:15:14 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [Offtopic] Commodore,
	the same company behind the Commodore 64, is back.]
In-Reply-To: <4BB0F97C.7020407@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100329192922.1B3884C051@impelind.com>

Wow, a laptop, without a screen...

Color me unimpressed. It's not even good as a nostalgia product.

-Rob
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Kulkis
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 3:03 PM
> To: mdlug at mdlug.org
> Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [Offtopic] Commodore, the same company 
> behind the Commodore 64, is back.]
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [Offtopic] Commodore, the same company behind the 
> Commodore 64,	is back.
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:46:39 -0400
> From: Fred A. Miller <fmiller at lightlink.com>
> Reply-To: fmiller at lightlink.com
> To: Lew's Off-Topic List <offtopic at sweet-haven.com>
> 
> http://www.commodoreusa.net/tech.html
> 
> Commodore, the same company behind the Commodore 64, is back. 
>  Their first major US product in decades is a feature rich 
> all-in-one keyboard PC pre-installed with Ubuntu Linux.
> 
> The unit comes with an Intel Core 2 Duo processor upgradeable 
> to 3GHz on an Intel G31 Express Chipset mobo that supports up 
> to 4GB of PC2-5300 667MHz&  PC2- 6400 800MHz DDR2 RAM.  
> Graphics are provided by an Intel GMA 3100 and support for 
> two displays.  Storage is done via
> SATA2 with an option to upgrade to 2TBs, and there is also an 
> option for a removable HDD as well.  The computer can be 
> expanded with 4 USB 2.0 slots, two serial port, PS/2 mouse&  
> keyboard ports, a parallel printer port, and combined 
> mini-PCI/PCI-e port.  Network is via Gigabit LAN or optional 
> Wi-Fi, which also includes a Bluetooth radio as well.  Sound 
> is provided by a Realtek AL888 High Definition Audio which is 
> Ubuntu compatible out of the box.  The optical drive can be a 
> standard DVD-RW or Blu-Ray drive.  The AMI BIOS supports 
> booting from USB devices, and the system has EFI support 
> (meaning its Hackintosh ready), and the full-sized keyboard 
> features a laptop style touch pad mouse.  Though the specs 
> don't list it, in one of the images you can clearly see what 
> looks like a credit card swipe slot-reader.
> 
> The product isn't going to be officially rolled out until 
> June.  The biggest deal is this machine is the fact that its 
> pre-installed with Ubuntu by default and uses hardware that 
> is very Linux friendly.  A number of other operating systems 
> are listed as being compatible.
> They also say it can run Mac OS X, but you have to turn it 
> into a Hackintosh yourself and buy Mac OS X yourself.  This 
> doesn't make them legally liable to Apple, a smart move.
> 
> --
> A REVOLUTIONARY IDEA! 'Time to put Nana Pelosi in a home!'
> 
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From petertheplumber at att.net  Tue Mar 30 07:02:15 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:02:15 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Smartctl Reports Errors on HDD
In-Reply-To: <9FB6372000B099469B46478B643EE4690224DDE016@EXCCRVS1.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
References: <1269612356.10435.560.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
	<9FB6372000B099469B46478B643EE4690224DDE016@EXCCRVS1.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
Message-ID: <20100330070215.308ed890@Nokia-N800-43-7>

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:15:40 -0400
"Wojtak, Greg" <GregWojtak at quickenloans.com> wrote:

> Does the smartctl output tell you which block is bad?  If so, you
> could use dd with the skip= parameter to seek out the bad block and
> destroy it.  In a hard drive bad block mapping sense, of course. :)
> 

    Yes it did, I saved the report to a flash drive so I could
    reference it. I ended up zeroing the whole drive. I figured it
    would take hours, but it was over so quick I had to check to make
    sure I did it right. I do want to look at and learn drive geometry,
    just not right now. It's happily running Ubuntu 9.10, awaiting
    delivery to it's new owners. $50 for a Lightscribe dvd drive wasn't
    a bad price for a pentium D that's faster than 2ghz!
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber
Sent from a mobile Internet Tablet


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 12:22:16 2010
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:22:16 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Smartctl Reports Errors on HDD
In-Reply-To: <20100330070215.308ed890@Nokia-N800-43-7>
References: <1269612356.10435.560.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
	<9FB6372000B099469B46478B643EE4690224DDE016@EXCCRVS1.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
	<20100330070215.308ed890@Nokia-N800-43-7>
Message-ID: <b02c40e91003300922p5dc2a34bgf399ba5bb8f3a76d@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Peter Bart <petertheplumber at att.net> wrote:
> ? ?$50 for a Lightscribe dvd drive wasn't?a bad price for a pentium D that's faster than 2ghz!
>

Was that an external drive?  Most internals I've seen at newegg.com
are $25 or less.


From petertheplumber at att.net  Tue Mar 30 13:33:52 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:33:52 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Smartctl Reports Errors on HDD
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e91003300922p5dc2a34bgf399ba5bb8f3a76d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1269612356.10435.560.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
	<9FB6372000B099469B46478B643EE4690224DDE016@EXCCRVS1.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
	<20100330070215.308ed890@Nokia-N800-43-7>
	<b02c40e91003300922p5dc2a34bgf399ba5bb8f3a76d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100330133352.16b3069e@Nokia-N800-43-7>

On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:22:16 -0400
Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Peter Bart <petertheplumber at att.net>
> wrote:
> > ? ?$50 for a Lightscribe dvd drive wasn't?a bad price for a pentium
> > D that's faster than 2ghz!
> >
> 
> Was that an external drive?  Most internals I've seen at newegg.com
> are $25 or less.

    It was a Toshiba internal, bought from my local supplier. Still a
    good price, no shipping,  no waiting, name brand, just down the
    street, and I get to catch up with him.
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber
Sent from a mobile Internet Tablet


From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Tue Mar 30 14:17:09 2010
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:17:09 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Smartctl Reports Errors on HDD
In-Reply-To: <9FB6372000B099469B46478B643EE4690224DDE016@EXCCRVS1.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
References: <1269612356.10435.560.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
	<9FB6372000B099469B46478B643EE4690224DDE016@EXCCRVS1.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03704A7D62F@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Peter Bart
> 	Time I do have, I can set the machine to running with dd and go
do
> other things. And yes I know drives are cheap. I don't really want to
> spend anymore than absolutely necessary. I've allready replaced the
DVD
> burner, and toyed with the idea of adding to the 1gb of ram.

 Do be careful. Drive failure can be progressive. After the install,
make sure to keep an eye on the smartctl stuff; Ubuntu sets up a drive
daemon by default, I think. Heed its warnings if it says problems remain
on the drive...

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                           (313) 227-2317

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From raymond.s.mclaughlin at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 19:49:27 2010
From: raymond.s.mclaughlin at gmail.com (Raymond S McLaughlin)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:49:27 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Novel (lesser of two evils?) prevails over SCO in court
Message-ID: <4BB28E07.4000502@gmail.com>

<http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100330152829622>
<http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/03/30/1951242/Novell-Wins-vs-SCO>
etc.


From petertheplumber at att.net  Tue Mar 30 21:22:30 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:22:30 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Smartctl Reports Errors on HDD
In-Reply-To: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03704A7D62F@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <1269612356.10435.560.camel@plumber-notebook.site>
	<9FB6372000B099469B46478B643EE4690224DDE016@EXCCRVS1.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
	<319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03704A7D62F@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <1269998550.5077.11.camel@plumber-notebook.site>

On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 14:17 -0400, Ingles, Raymond wrote:
> > From: Peter Bart
> > 	Time I do have, I can set the machine to running with dd and go
> do
> > other things. And yes I know drives are cheap. I don't really want to
> > spend anymore than absolutely necessary. I've allready replaced the
> DVD
> > burner, and toyed with the idea of adding to the 1gb of ram.
> 
>  Do be careful. Drive failure can be progressive. After the install,
> make sure to keep an eye on the smartctl stuff; Ubuntu sets up a drive
> daemon by default, I think. Heed its warnings if it says problems remain
> on the drive...

	I will thanks. Ubuntu calls it smartmontools and there is a lot of
information on it, not the least of which is
<https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Smartmontools>. 
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 30 22:05:37 2010
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:05:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Novel (lesser of two evils?) prevails over SCO in court
In-Reply-To: <4BB28E07.4000502@gmail.com>
References: <4BB28E07.4000502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <167054.49315.qm@web37902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

:) 

This is a good thing. SCO never had a vision or a viable business plan. The first thing that the New SCO CEO did was to bring lawsuits:

Not the best move.




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Subject: [mdlug] Novel (lesser of two evils?) prevails over SCO in court

<http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100330152829622>
<http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/03/30/1951242/Novell-Wins-vs-SCO>
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