From john_re at fastmail.us  Sat Jul  3 08:52:29 2010
From: john_re at fastmail.us (giovanni_re)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 05:52:29 -0700
Subject: [mdlug] Join July Global Linux via VOIP Free SW HW Culture Mtgs -
 BerkeleyTIP-Global
Message-ID: <1278161549.3065.1383107391@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Watch some videos. Mark your calendar. Invite your friends.
Join in on IRC or Voice.  Join the mailing list, say "Hi.  :)"

=====  1)  2010.7 Videos:
Motorola Droid Metro PCS Apps, makeitcricket.com
How to write VOIP client in less then 2 minutes, rpdammu
Open Wonderland virtual worlds platform, Nicole Yankelovich, iED
How to Succeed in Mobile, Girl Geek Dinner, Kris Corzine
Schizophrenic Firewalls - virtualized net stack OpenBSD, Claudio Jeker
Using KDE Marble to research your next vacation, Justin Kirby 
Meet Google Founder Larry Page, Google Faculty Summit 2009
Building the Python Community, Steve Holden, PyCon 2010
How Python, TurboGears, and MongoDB are Transforming SourceForge.net,
  Rick Copeland, PyCon
Introducing Numpy Arrays, unpingco

http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/talk-videos/2010-7-videos

==  July Meetings  -  Mark your calendar:
 3 Sat 12N-3P PST = 3-6P EST = 19-22 UTC
12 Mon  5 -6P PST = 8-9P EST =  0- 1 UTC Tues 13
18 Sun 12N-3P PST = 3-6P EST = 19-22 UTC
27 Tue  5 -6P PST = 8-9P EST =  0- 1 UTC Wed 28


=====
You're invited to join in with the friendly people at the BerkeleyTIP
global meeting  -  newbie to Ph.D. -  everyone is invited.

Get a headset & join using VOIP online, or come to Berkeley.

1st step: Join the mailing list:
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

Watch the videos.  Discuss them on VOIP.
10 great videos/talks this month.

Join with us at the Golden Bear Cafe, Upper Sproul Plaza, UCB
 at the University of California at Berkeley,
or join from your home via VOIP,
or send this email locally, create a local meeting, & join via VOIP:
  Tip: a wifi cafe is a great place to meet. :)

PLEASE VIEW THE BTIP WEBSITE & MAILING LIST FOR LATEST DETIALS.
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip

BerkeleyTIP  -  Educational, Productive, Social
For Learning about, Sharing, & Producing, All Free SW HW & Culture.
TIP ==  Talks, Installfest, Project & Programming Party


=====  CONTENTS:  1) 2010 JULY VIDEOS;  2) 2010 JULY MEETING DAYS,
TIMES, LOCATIONS;  3) LOCAL MEETING AT U. C. Berkeley;
4) HOT TOPICS;  5) PLEASE  RSVP  PROBABILISTICALLY, THANKS :) ;
6) INSTALLFEST;  7) ARRIVING FIRST AT THE MEETING: MAKE A
"BerkeleyTIP" SIGN;  8) IRC: #berkeleytip  on  irc.freenode.net; 9) VOIP
FOR GLOBAL MEETING;  10) VOLUNTEERING, TO DOs;  11) MAILING LISTS:
BerkeleyTIP-Global, LocalBerkeley, Announce;  12) ANYTHING I FORGOT TO
MENTION?;  13) FOR FORWARDING


=======================================================================
=====  1)   -  See videos list at top of this email.
Thanks to all the speakers, organizations, & videographers. :)
[Please alert the speakers that their talks are scheduled for 
BTIP (if you are with the group that recorded their talk), because I may
not have time to do that.  Thanks. :)  ]

Download & watch these talks before the BTIP meetings. Discuss at the
meeting.

Email the mailing list, tell us what videos you'll watch & want to
discuss.

Know any other video sources? - please email me.

_Your_ group should video record & post online your meeting's talks!


=====  2)  2010 JULY MEETING DAYS, TIMES, LOCATIONS
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/schedule
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/directions

In person meetings on 1st Saturday & 3rd Sunday, every month.
July 3 & 18, 12N-3P USA-Pacific time, Saturday, Sunday
July 3  = Golden Bear Cafe, Upper Sproul Plaza, UCB
July 18 = Free Speech Cafe, Moffitt Library, UCB

Online only meeting using VOIP - 9 days after weekend meetings:
July 12 & 27, 5-6P   USA-Pacific time, Monday, Tuesday

Mark your calendars.


=====  3)  LOCAL MEETING AT  U. C. BERKELEY
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/directions

RSVP please.  See below.  It greatly helps my planning.  But, _do_ come
if you forgot to RSVP.

ALWAYS BE SURE TO CHECK THE BTIP WEBSITE _&_ MAILING LIST FOR THE LATEST
LAST MINUTE DETAILS & CHANGES, BEFORE COMING TO THE MEETING! :)

DO BRING A VOIP HEADSET, available for $10-30 at most electronics retail
stores, & a laptop computer, so you are able to communicate with the
global BTIP community via VOIP.  It is highly recommended that you have
a voip headset, & not rely on a laptop's built in microphone & speakers,
because the headphones keep the noise level down.  Bringing a headset is
not required, but is a great part of the being able to communicate with
the global community. :)

Clothing: Typically 55-80 degrees F.  Weather:
http://www.wunderground.com/auto/sfgate/CA/Berkeley.html

Other location local meeting possibilities:
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/local-meetings
Create a local meeting in your town. Invite your friends.  :)  


=====  4)  HOT TOPICS
Android phones - Besting iPhone? worthwhile? How knowable is the hw?
iPad, iPhone4 & iPod- rooting & running GNU(Linux)
Skype for group video conferencing?
Open Wonderland virtual worlds platform


=====  5)  PLEASE  RSVP  PROBABILISTICALLY, THANKS  :)
If you think there is a >70% chance ("likely") you'll come to the in
person meeting in Berkeley, please RSVP to me. Thanks.  It helps my
planning.  Please _do_ come even if you haven't RSVP'd, it's not
required.

Better yet, join the BerkeleyTIP-Global mailing list, send the RSVP
there, & tell us what things you're interested in, or what videos you'll
try to watch - so we can know what videos are popular, & we might watch
them too. :)
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal


=====  6)  INSTALLFEST
Get help installing & using Free Software, Hardware & Culture.
Laptops only, typically.  There isn't easy access for physically
bringing desktop boxes here.

RSVP _HIGHLY RECOMMENDED_ if you want installfest help.  Please RSVP to
me, Giovanni, at the from address for this announcement, or better, join
& send email to the BTIP-Global mailing list telling us what you'd like
help with.  This way we can be better prepared to help you, & you might
get valuable advice from the mailing list members.

If you are new to using free software, an excellent system would be the
KUbuntu GNU(Linux) software.  It is very comprehensive, fairly easy to
use (similar to Windows or Mac), & suitable for personal, home,
university, or business use.

We are also glad to try to help people with software who join via VOIP. 
Please email the mailing list with requests that you want help with, so
we can try to be prepared better to help you.

Installfest volunteers/helpers always welcome, in person, or via VOIP.
:)


=====  7)  ARRIVING FIRST AT THE MEETING:  MAKE A "BerkeleyTIP" SIGN
If you get to the meeting & don't see a "BerkeleyTIP" sign up yet,
please:
1) Make a BTIP sign on an 8x11 paper & put it at your table,
2) Email the mailing list, or join on IRC, & let us know you are there.

Ask someone if you could use their computer for a minute to look
something up, or send an email.  People are usually very friendly &
willing to help.  We can also email you a temporary guest AirBears
account login.

We will have wifi guest accounts available for BTIP attendees.  Be sure
you have wifi capable equipment.  Be Prepared: Bring a multi-outlet
extension power cord.


=====  8)  IRC:  #berkeleytip  on  irc.freenode.net
For help with anything, especially how to get VOIP working, & text
communication.


=====  9)  VOIP FOR GLOBAL MEETING
Speak & listen to everyone globally using VOIP.
Get a headset!  See some VOIP instructions here:
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/voice-voip-conferencing


===== 10)  VOLUNTEERING, TO DOs
Enjoy doing or learning something(s)?  Help out BTIP in that area. 
Website development, mailing list management, video locating, VOIP
server (FreeSwitch, Asterisk) or client (Ekiga, SFLPhone,...), creating
a local meeting.  Join the mailing list & let us know.  Your offers of
free help are always welcome here. :)


=====  11)  MAILING LISTS:  BerkeleyTIP-Global, LocalBerkeley, Announce
Everyone should join the BerkeleyTIP-Global list:
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal
Say "hi", tell us your interests, & what videos you'll like to watch.

Info on all lists here:
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/mailing-lists


=====  12)  ANYTHING I FORGOT TO MENTION?
Please join & email the BerkeleyTIP-Global mailing list.


=====  13)  FOR FORWARDING
You are invited to forward this message anywhere it would be
appreciated.
Better yet, use it to create a local meeting.  Invite & get together
with your friends locally, & join in with us all globally. :)


Looking forward to meeting with you in person, or online. :)

Giovanni

==  Join in the Global weekly meetings, via VOIP, about all Free SW HW & Culture
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/



From al at bighealey.org  Thu Jul  8 17:07:11 2010
From: al at bighealey.org (Al Fuller)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 17:07:11 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Webserver
In-Reply-To: <37d83cf0d85acd20739d38abc6985f2b.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <AANLkTim9PTkwKmcaKiL6NgyvrWSp1dThYwO4lPRIr55n@mail.gmail.com>	<4C242D61.7050006@wowway.com>
	<37d83cf0d85acd20739d38abc6985f2b.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <002401cb1ee1$8bdc0c00$a3942400$@org>

BTW, if the only thing holding you back from internet accessibility as you
indicated below is the lack of a static IP address - you could use one of
the dynamic dns services, which will give you an outward-facing  web address
and keep track of your IP address for you.  Some are free...

> I'm not looking for Internet accessibility.  (Can't afford the fixed IP
> for starters.)

Al Fuller
al at bighealey dot org
'62 BT-7
'65 BJ-8
'85 Rx-7

-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of
Carl T. Miller
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 7:13 AM
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Webserver

Garry Stahl wrote:
> I am considering setting up one of my older computers as an Intranet web
> server   Anything I need to do (other than obviously run Apache) and
> connect it to the network?

That's pretty much it, unless you want to give others the
ability to manage files or if you need other components
such as php, mysql or ssl.  If you're running a firewall
just check that port 80 is open.

> I'm not looking for Internet accessibility.  (Can't afford the fixed IP
> for starters.)

There are some inexpensive web hosting sites if you want
to do that.

> I have never run a web server or configured one.  Yes, I'm still using
> openSUSE and don't plan to stop.

OpenSUSE should have everything you need to get it going.
Good luck!




From gib at juno.com  Sat Jul 10 15:50:30 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:50:30 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Cheap vid camera and netbook
Message-ID: <20100710.155030.27183.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390202239561&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

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From rstaff at sprynet.com  Sun Jul 11 18:20:16 2010
From: rstaff at sprynet.com (Richard Staff)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 18:20:16 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Configure issues with Hardy Heron (resend of resend)
	(HELP!!!)
Message-ID: <4C3A43A0.7060900@sprynet.com>

I'm trying to install Euchre-0.7 (project went dead in 2006).
My Linux version is Kubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron).
Here are the significant messages from ./configure:
...
checking for gtk-config... no
checking for GTK - version >= 1.2.0... no
*** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found
*** If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
*** your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the
*** full path to gtk-config.
configure: error: Cannot find GTK: Is gtk-config in path?
...
I've tried
":sudo apt-get install GTK+" and
":sudo apt-get install GTK" and
":sudo apt-get install gtk+" and
":sudo apt-get install gtk"
--- result --- nada!
...
Any help out there?
Befuddled, Rick


From not_email at comcast.net  Sun Jul 11 22:23:33 2010
From: not_email at comcast.net (Not Email)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 22:23:33 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] mdlug Digest, Vol 47, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1278864001.26176.mdlug@mdlug.org>
References: <mailman.1.1278864001.26176.mdlug@mdlug.org>
Message-ID: <1278901413.25556.3.camel@localhost>


Gib,

Thanks for posting this.  I got your message in my latest digest but
mine was missing.

Any idea why?

Robin


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From not_email at comcast.net  Sun Jul 11 22:32:22 2010
From: not_email at comcast.net (Not Email)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 22:32:22 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Zip IT IM machine (Cheap Unix hackable device)
Message-ID: <1278901942.25556.15.camel@localhost>

All,

We discussed a hardware device called ZipIM sold at Target for $49.99
via their website.  It is an IM WiFi device that can be hacked.

Zip IM is a simple keyboard IM device that allows you to do IM.  This
may be the next H/W device for those of us that hack.

http://www.target.com/s?keywords=zip+im&searchNodeID=1038576|
1287991011&ref=sr_bx_1_1&x=0&y=0


Zipit IM Wireless IM Device
http://www.zipitwireless.com/



Debian Hack website:
http://quantumlime.com/zipit

I have no more details.  But you are welcome to send me an email if I
have resources I will respond.

Robin


From tony at bemushosting.com  Mon Jul 12 10:42:10 2010
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 10:42:10 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] meeting Topics?
Message-ID: <1278945730.29947.65.camel@bemus-remote>

During the last meeting we asked for some topics that people were
interested in either hearing about or presenting on.  Here is a list
that we came up with:

Setting up a home web server (LAMP) - there was discussion but I think
Gary's question wasnt answered.

Updates on Arduino - Can anyone talk to the i3detroit guys and see if
they are interested in coming and talking?

Virtual machines: setup and uses -  Any want to present or head a talk?

Setup a Secure SMTP server with SSL - Robin will Talk about it in
October.

Any other suggestion.  or more needed is people presenting?.?...

Tony Bemus






From awilliam at opengroupware.us  Mon Jul 12 10:54:23 2010
From: awilliam at opengroupware.us (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 10:54:23 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Webserver
In-Reply-To: <002401cb1ee1$8bdc0c00$a3942400$@org>
References: <AANLkTim9PTkwKmcaKiL6NgyvrWSp1dThYwO4lPRIr55n@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C242D61.7050006@wowway.com>
	<37d83cf0d85acd20739d38abc6985f2b.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<002401cb1ee1$8bdc0c00$a3942400$@org>
Message-ID: <1278946463.4217.6.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 17:07 -0400, Al Fuller wrote:
> BTW, if the only thing holding you back from internet accessibility as you
> indicated below is the lack of a static IP address - you could use one of
> the dynamic dns services, which will give you an outward-facing  web address
> and keep track of your IP address for you.  Some are free...

I would not recommend this.

(a) It almost certainly violates the End-User-License Agreement, to
which you agreed.  It is a violation of contract and unethical.
(b) Performance will be bad.
(c) Availability will be bad.

> > I'm not looking for Internet accessibility.  (Can't afford the fixed IP
> > for starters.

For $20/month you can get a VPS at a service at Linnode. 

-- 
Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam at whitemice.org> LPIC-1, Novell CLA
<http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com>
OpenGroupware, Cyrus IMAPd, Postfix, OpenLDAP, Samba



From painbank at gmail.com  Mon Jul 12 11:59:46 2010
From: painbank at gmail.com (Rich Elswick)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:59:46 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] meeting Topics?
In-Reply-To: <1278945730.29947.65.camel@bemus-remote>
References: <1278945730.29947.65.camel@bemus-remote>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikw-rqRPzOEkKku5pOrGShtjxQVaHQAHYsitOgg@mail.gmail.com>

I would enjoy the web server setup topic.  Especially if someone covered
setting up a cPanel alternative as well as perhaps coding it up to also
serve up pages differently or some such to the local network verse the
publicly accessed pages.

Rich

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:

> During the last meeting we asked for some topics that people were
> interested in either hearing about or presenting on.  Here is a list
> that we came up with:
>
> Setting up a home web server (LAMP) - there was discussion but I think
> Gary's question wasnt answered.
>
> Updates on Arduino - Can anyone talk to the i3detroit guys and see if
> they are interested in coming and talking?
>
> Virtual machines: setup and uses -  Any want to present or head a talk?
>
> Setup a Secure SMTP server with SSL - Robin will Talk about it in
> October.
>
> Any other suggestion.  or more needed is people presenting?.?...
>
> Tony Bemus
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>



-- 
Rich Elswick


From gib at juno.com  Mon Jul 12 13:14:21 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:14:21 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] mdlug Digest, Vol 47, Issue 3
Message-ID: <20100712.131421.29349.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com>

No I don't understand how this is supposed to work.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Not Email <not_email at comcast.net>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: Re: [mdlug] mdlug Digest, Vol 47, Issue 3
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 22:23:33 -0400



Gib,

Thanks for posting this.  I got your message in my latest digest but
mine was missing.

Any idea why?

Robin


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> 
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:50:30 GMT
> From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
> Subject: [mdlug] Cheap vid camera and netbook
> To: mdlug at mdlug.org
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> 
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> 
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From tony at bemushosting.com  Mon Jul 12 15:34:24 2010
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:34:24 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] mdlug Digest, Vol 47, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <20100712.131421.29349.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20100712.131421.29349.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <1278963264.29947.67.camel@bemus-remote>

I think the posts were on different days and different weeks.  Do you
get your Digest weekly or daily

Tony

On Mon, 2010-07-12 at 17:14 +0000, gib at juno.com wrote:
> No I don't understand how this is supposed to work.
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Not Email <not_email at comcast.net>
> To: mdlug at mdlug.org
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] mdlug Digest, Vol 47, Issue 3
> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 22:23:33 -0400
> 
> 
> 
> Gib,
> 
> Thanks for posting this.  I got your message in my latest digest but
> mine was missing.
> 
> Any idea why?
> 
> Robin
> 
> 
> On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 12:00 -0400, mdlug-request at mdlug.org wrote:
> 
> > Send mdlug mailing list submissions to
> > mdlug at mdlug.org
> > 
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> > http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
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> > mdlug-request at mdlug.org
> > 
> > You can reach the person managing the list at
> > mdlug-owner at mdlug.org
> > 
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of mdlug digest..."
> > 
> > 
> > Today's Topics:
> > 
> >    1. Cheap vid camera and netbook (gib at juno.com)
> > 
> > 
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:50:30 GMT
> > From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
> > Subject: [mdlug] Cheap vid camera and netbook
> > To: mdlug at mdlug.org
> > Message-ID: <20100710.155030.27183.0 at webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > 
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From gib at juno.com  Mon Jul 12 20:39:12 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 00:39:12 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] mdlug Digest, Vol 47, Issue 3
Message-ID: <20100712.203912.9852.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com>


I get them as they occur.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] mdlug Digest, Vol 47, Issue 3
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:34:24 -0400

I think the posts were on different days and different weeks.  Do you
get your Digest weekly or daily

Tony

On Mon, 2010-07-12 at 17:14 +0000, gib at juno.com wrote:
> No I don't understand how this is supposed to work.
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
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> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 22:23:33 -0400
> 
> 
> 
> Gib,
> 
> Thanks for posting this.  I got your message in my latest digest but
> mine was missing.
> 
> Any idea why?
> 
> Robin
> 
> 
> On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 12:00 -0400, mdlug-request at mdlug.org wrote:
> 
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From tesral at wowway.com  Tue Jul 13 14:40:11 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:40:11 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [Stilyagi] U-M Computer Showcase repair technician
 opening (fwd)]
Message-ID: <4C3CB30B.8030003@wowway.com>


FYI, for fen in need of work...

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 09:51:36 -0400
From: "Kelley, Aaron" <kelleyam at umich.edu>
Reply-To: "showcase.hiring at umich.edu" <showcase.hiring at umich.edu>
To: "it-jobs at umich.edu" <it-jobs at umich.edu>
Subject: Computer Showcase repair technician opening

The Computer Showcase is looking for a computer support technician for our 
repair service.  The posting is included below.

Thank you,

Aaron Kelley
ITS Computer Support and Repair
UM Computer Showcase



*************

Computer Technician

The U-M Computer Showcase is looking for a F/T (30-40 hrs, weekdays only) 
technician for our computer support and repair service in the Michigan 
Union. The ideal candidate will have Win/Mac desktop support and/or repair 
experience, excellent customer service skills and the ability to work 
effectively in a team setting. Retail experience and/or knowledge of 
inventory management a plus. Pay is $10-12/hour, depending on skills and 
experience. Technical training will be provided. This is a temporary (6-12 
months) position without benefits. Please send resume and cover letter to 
Showcase.hiring at umich.edu<mailto:Showcase.hiring at umich.edu>

Preferred start by August 2.


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From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 13 15:55:29 2010
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:55:29 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [Stilyagi] U-M Computer Showcase repair
	technician opening (fwd)]
In-Reply-To: <4C3CB30B.8030003@wowway.com>
References: <4C3CB30B.8030003@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinUbZPe8oMNyLQbN7Ih_IcsLsiU447BOkXYXok8@mail.gmail.com>

--- Garry Stahl wrote:

> FYI, for fen in need of work...

> The U-M Computer Showcase is looking for a F/T (30-40 hrs, weekdays only)
> technician
[...]
> Pay is $10-12/hour, depending on skills and experience.

Geez, why do they pay next-to-nothing with NO benefits?  I was making
more than this 10 years ago for the same work, and I was underpaid
THEN.

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey


From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 13 16:07:04 2010
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:07:04 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New handset chips support Android
Message-ID: <AANLkTinuSD2eo3O9uJq0ccoCA8jXXzwxEP7MNyr_wXaP@mail.gmail.com>

This is interesting, potentially important news.  I am posting it in
full (with attribution) because these articles go behind a paywall
after a few days.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"MediaTek backs Android with lineup of handset solutions"
Cage Chao, Taipei; Steve Shen, DIGITIMES [Tuesday 13 July 2010]

Fabless chip designer MediaTek has joined the Open Handset Alliance
(OHA) to support the Android mobile device platform developed by
Google, according to a company announcement.

"As an OHA member, MediaTek strives to provide device makers and
partners with multimedia-rich chipset solutions, efficient services
and experienced technical teams that differentiate our Android-based
solutions, " says Jeffrey Ju, general manager of wireless
communication business unit for smartphone at MediaTek.

MediaTek is looking to enable cost-effective Android-based smartphones
through the provision of full system solutions that can further reduce
the barrier to entry for broader world-wide penetration of smartphone
products, the company said in a press release.

Android-based smartphones built with MediaTek's solutions are expected
to hit the markets in November 2010 at the earliest, according to an
estimate from industry watchers.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/MailHome.asp?datePublish=2010/7/13&pages=PD&seq=218>

As MediaTek is a MAJOR player in the handset-chip market, Android (and
by extension, Linux) support is a rather big deal.  It will also speed
the continuing penetration of Android into the mainland-China market.

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey


From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 13 17:32:59 2010
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:32:59 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [Stilyagi] U-M Computer Showcase repair
 technician opening (fwd)]
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinUbZPe8oMNyLQbN7Ih_IcsLsiU447BOkXYXok8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C3CB30B.8030003@wowway.com>
	<AANLkTinUbZPe8oMNyLQbN7Ih_IcsLsiU447BOkXYXok8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C3CDB8B.2050301@gmail.com>

Michael Rudas wrote:
> --- Garry Stahl wrote:
> 
>> FYI, for fen in need of work...
> 
>> The U-M Computer Showcase is looking for a F/T (30-40 hrs, weekdays only)
>> technician
> [...]
>> Pay is $10-12/hour, depending on skills and experience.
> 
> Geez, why do they pay next-to-nothing with NO benefits?  I was making
> more than this 10 years ago for the same work, and I was underpaid
> THEN.

$10/hour * 30 hours/week = $300.

Unemployment:  $390/week.

So basically, the market-economics-denying geniuses down
in Ann Arbor want skilled labor for less than unemployment.
And that doesn't even factor in commuting costs, paying more
for lunch, etc.


From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 15 08:47:26 2010
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 08:47:26 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Cool User File Systems, Part 1: SSHFS | Linux Magazine
Message-ID: <4C3F035E.9090407@gmail.com>


<http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7820>


From unforgiven24 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 15 09:21:52 2010
From: unforgiven24 at gmail.com (Mike Ward)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 09:21:52 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Cool User File Systems, Part 1: SSHFS | Linux Magazine
In-Reply-To: <4C3F035E.9090407@gmail.com>
References: <4C3F035E.9090407@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin7znf23YzJqya16_kpCbgbfQhr2tgjRcDMl7rb@mail.gmail.com>

Handy, I may play with this a bit. Thanks for the link. Once while
using scp for something or other I wondered if anyone had put together
some way to mount a fs over ssh, but I was working at the time and
just never got around to investigating.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Aaron Kulkis <akulkis00 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7820>
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From tesral at wowway.com  Thu Jul 15 11:16:27 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:16:27 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [Stilyagi] Arbor Networks job postings]
Message-ID: <4C3F264B.9020502@wowway.com>


(No association, just passing it on)

Arbor Networks is looking to fill various types of roles:

- software engineer proficient in C, ideally with network programming experience
...- user experience developer with experience in php/python,
javascript/jquery, css
- build engineer for a linux / OpenBSD environment
- security researcher analyzing threats
- technical writer

If you're interested email Willie Northway (willn at umich.edu).



-- 
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Those persons, or societies, easily offended need to be offended until they get over it.
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Thu Jul 15 17:50:51 2010
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:50:51 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Cool User File Systems, Part 1: SSHFS | Linux Magazine
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin7znf23YzJqya16_kpCbgbfQhr2tgjRcDMl7rb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C3F035E.9090407@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin7znf23YzJqya16_kpCbgbfQhr2tgjRcDMl7rb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikN8b-w1H5TwDeL-nHI3V2eZOHWO9zvk_QjjNio@mail.gmail.com>

I've found smbfs useful for accessing Windows systems with XFCE (which
doesn't have integrated SMB support).  It's primitive and can't handle
passwords but is good enough for home networks.

On 7/15/10, Mike Ward <unforgiven24 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Handy, I may play with this a bit. Thanks for the link. Once while
> using scp for something or other I wondered if anyone had put together
> some way to mount a fs over ssh, but I was working at the time and
> just never got around to investigating.
>
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Aaron Kulkis <akulkis00 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> <http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7820>
>> _______________________________________________
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From fulner at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 09:03:40 2010
From: fulner at gmail.com (Jim Fulner)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 09:03:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] mdlug Digest, Vol 47, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1279296001.19613.mdlug@mdlug.org>
References: <mailman.1.1279296001.19613.mdlug@mdlug.org>
Message-ID: <13035596.6645.1279544026287.JavaMail.SYSTEM@appserver4>

Your email was read to me using Voice on the Go.
Try it free for 30 days www.voiceonthego.com/30daysfree


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> ---------------------------------
> 
> From: mdlug-request at mdlug.org 
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> 
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>       (Jeff Hanson)
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> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:50:51 -0400
> From: Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Cool User File Systems, Part 1: SSHFS | Linux
> 	Magazine
> To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Message-ID:
> 	<AANLkTikN8b-w1H5TwDeL-nHI3V2eZOHWO9zvk_QjjNio at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> I've found smbfs useful for accessing Windows systems with XFCE (which
> doesn't have integrated SMB support).  It's primitive and can't handle
> passwords but is good enough for home networks.
> 
> On 7/15/10, Mike Ward <unforgiven24 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Handy, I may play with this a bit. Thanks for the link. Once while
> > using scp for something or other I wondered if anyone had put together
> > some way to mount a fs over ssh, but I was working at the time and
> > just never got around to investigating.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Aaron Kulkis <akulkis00 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> <http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7820>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> mdlug mailing list
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From tesral at wowway.com  Mon Jul 19 11:26:56 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:26:56 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [Stilyagi] OT: Desktop Support Specialist Associate -
	UM-HMRC]
Message-ID: <4C446EC0.6020505@wowway.com>

Again forward without comment.


The University of Michigan Health Management Research Center is looking for
a full-time (40 hr/wk) Desktop Support Specialist Associate to assist in
supporting IT operations.

Note: I work at UM-HMRC and will be involved in the hiring process. As such,
I must remain unbiased and professional and expect the same from others (e.g
don't expect preference just because I know you, what happens at con stays
at con, etc.). However, I will say to carefully read the job description to
make sure that you are fully interested in this position. We are not looking
for anyone who would not take this as a serious career decision.

http://umjobs.org/job_detail/50874/desktop_support_specialist_associate

Submissions due by 7/28/2010.
Due to how the University of Michigan hires, I can not take resumes by
email.

However, I'll be happy to answer any other questions you may have!

Daniel Nance
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Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
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Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From tesral at wowway.com  Mon Jul 19 11:37:06 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:37:06 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Moderation in progress
In-Reply-To: <13035596.6645.1279544026287.JavaMail.SYSTEM@appserver4>
References: <mailman.1.1279296001.19613.mdlug@mdlug.org>
	<13035596.6645.1279544026287.JavaMail.SYSTEM@appserver4>
Message-ID: <4C447122.4030600@wowway.com>

Jim Fulner wrote:
> Your email was read to me using Voice on the Go.
> Try it free for 30 days www.voiceonthego.com/30daysfree
>   

<Ex Cathedra> This example of Spam is being handled off list for your
convenience.  Please do not feed the Trolls. 

Jim Fulner  is welcome to explain himself  to listmod at mdlug.org to avoid
the nuclear option if an honest mistake was made. </Ex Cathedra>

-- 
Garry Stahl  MDLUG List Moderator



From bfotiu at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 13:58:34 2010
From: bfotiu at gmail.com (Brandon Fotiu)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:58:34 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [Stilyagi] OT: Desktop Support Specialist
	Associate - UM-HMRC]
In-Reply-To: <4C446EC0.6020505@wowway.com>
References: <4C446EC0.6020505@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimjsRb-OZtbeutUjSjsKc5qzSjgSnPc1MvAUyZu@mail.gmail.com>

This sounds like a position that would be a good fit for me, unfortunately
it's 90 mins from my house.

Brandon

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Garry Stahl <tesral at wowway.com> wrote:

> Again forward without comment.
>
>
> The University of Michigan Health Management Research Center is looking for
> a full-time (40 hr/wk) Desktop Support Specialist Associate to assist in
> supporting IT operations.
>
> Note: I work at UM-HMRC and will be involved in the hiring process. As
> such,
> I must remain unbiased and professional and expect the same from others
> (e.g
> don't expect preference just because I know you, what happens at con stays
> at con, etc.). However, I will say to carefully read the job description to
> make sure that you are fully interested in this position. We are not
> looking
> for anyone who would not take this as a serious career decision.
>
> http://umjobs.org/job_detail/50874/desktop_support_specialist_associate
>
> Submissions due by 7/28/2010.
> Due to how the University of Michigan hires, I can not take resumes by
> email.
>
> However, I'll be happy to answer any other questions you may have!
>
> Daniel Nance
> _______________________________________________
> Stilyagi mailing list
> Post messages to: Stilyagi at lists.stilyagi.org
> Administrative mail: Stilyagi-owner at lists.stilyagi.org
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> http://lists.stilyagi.org/listinfo.cgi/stilyagi-stilyagi.org
>
>
>
> --
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>
> Those persons, or societies, easily offended need to be offended until they
> get over it.
> Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
> The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
> Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org
>
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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 14:23:12 2010
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:23:12 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Moderation in progress
In-Reply-To: <4C447122.4030600@wowway.com>
References: <mailman.1.1279296001.19613.mdlug@mdlug.org>	<13035596.6645.1279544026287.JavaMail.SYSTEM@appserver4>
	<4C447122.4030600@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <4C449810.9040008@gmail.com>

Garry Stahl wrote:
> Jim Fulner wrote:
>> Your email was read to me using Voice on the Go.
>> Try it free for 30 days www.voiceonthego.com/30daysfree
>>   
> 
> <Ex Cathedra> This example of Spam is being handled off list for your
> convenience.  Please do not feed the Trolls. 
> 
> Jim Fulner  is welcome to explain himself  to listmod at mdlug.org to avoid
> the nuclear option if an honest mistake was made. </Ex Cathedra>
> 

I'ts probably like the spam that blackberry attaches to every
message sent from one of their devices (without the user's approval).

In other words, it's beyon Jim's control, other than whether he
uses the device/service or not.


From cvweiss at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 14:46:15 2010
From: cvweiss at gmail.com (Clinton V. Weiss)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:46:15 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Moderation in progress
In-Reply-To: <4C449810.9040008@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1279296001.19613.mdlug@mdlug.org>
	<13035596.6645.1279544026287.JavaMail.SYSTEM@appserver4>
	<4C447122.4030600@wowway.com> <4C449810.9040008@gmail.com>
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On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Aaron Kulkis <akulkis00 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'ts probably like the spam that blackberry attaches to every
> message sent from one of their devices (without the user's approval).
>
>
By default the Blackberry spam is enabled, but it can be disabled by the
user.

-- 
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From drew4096 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 22:11:39 2010
From: drew4096 at gmail.com (Drew)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 22:11:39 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Moderation in progress
In-Reply-To: <4C449810.9040008@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1279296001.19613.mdlug@mdlug.org>
	<13035596.6645.1279544026287.JavaMail.SYSTEM@appserver4>
	<4C447122.4030600@wowway.com> <4C449810.9040008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20100719221007.029fb2e0@pop.gmail.com>

At 02:23 PM 7/19/10, Aaron Kulkis wrote:


>I'ts probably like the spam that blackberry attaches to every
>message sent from one of their devices (without the user's approval).
>
>In other words, it's beyon Jim's control, other than whether he
>uses the device/service or not.

I'd like to believe that. However, the Spam seems to be the entire 
content of the message.

----

- Drew.



From otakurider at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 09:37:09 2010
From: otakurider at gmail.com (-)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 09:37:09 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] meeting Topics?
In-Reply-To: <1278945730.29947.65.camel@bemus-remote>
References: <1278945730.29947.65.camel@bemus-remote>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimWVWWTaEv_18OP52F8rW7bLLT5IbK4NR6fGNov@mail.gmail.com>

I am in the process of writing up the presentation for VirtualBox.

Pat




On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:

> During the last meeting we asked for some topics that people were
> interested in either hearing about or presenting on.  Here is a list
> that we came up with:
>
> Setting up a home web server (LAMP) - there was discussion but I think
> Gary's question wasnt answered.
>
> Updates on Arduino - Can anyone talk to the i3detroit guys and see if
> they are interested in coming and talking?
>
> Virtual machines: setup and uses -  Any want to present or head a talk?
>
> Setup a Secure SMTP server with SSL - Robin will Talk about it in
> October.
>
> Any other suggestion.  or more needed is people presenting?.?...
>
> Tony Bemus
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>


From gib at juno.com  Wed Jul 21 09:53:14 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:53:14 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] meeting Topics?
Message-ID: <20100721.095314.2691.3@webmail15.vgs.untd.com>

Cool.  I'm looking forward to it.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: - <otakurider at gmail.com>
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] meeting Topics?
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 09:37:09 -0400

I am in the process of writing up the presentation for VirtualBox.

Pat




On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:

> During the last meeting we asked for some topics that people were
> interested in either hearing about or presenting on.  Here is a list
> that we came up with:
>
> Setting up a home web server (LAMP) - there was discussion but I think
> Gary's question wasnt answered.
>
> Updates on Arduino - Can anyone talk to the i3detroit guys and see if
> they are interested in coming and talking?
>
> Virtual machines: setup and uses -  Any want to present or head a talk?
>
> Setup a Secure SMTP server with SSL - Robin will Talk about it in
> October.
>
> Any other suggestion.  or more needed is people presenting?.?...
>
> Tony Bemus
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>
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From fulner at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 16:57:09 2010
From: fulner at gmail.com (Robert Jim Fulner)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:57:09 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Install netrik now, save your @$$ later
Message-ID: <AANLkTilWTkCCVhgLBrhs7_kDfQd-KVELFFwshX20MASH@mail.gmail.com>

So when I first started using GNU/Linux it was mostly to get around Windows
machines I had access but no one wanted me touching the goodies on.

As such one of my favorite distros for years was "Damn Small Linux". One of
the applications included in DSL was a terminal based web browser called
netrik, talk about ultra light! I'm sure back in 1995 it was even more
useful when the www was so dependenten on crap like java Flash, etc., etc.,
but still was fun to play with in the 2000s anyway.

With most every LinuxBox I've set up since then I've configured netrik, just
for the heck of it. I though "I just might need this someday" not really
thinking why.

After years of being a GNU/Linux user, i'm still just a user. I've never got
a good hold of a lot of the great tools of Linux including find and
configuring etc. I've never really needed to, not that part of me didn't
want to, because a quick Ixquick search, or Google I suppose, would give me
the little bit of instruction I'd need to get insert-situation-here done.

In the last week I had two issues come up. First, I somehow hosed my
X Windows on my primary desktop, a Debian box, and apparently didn't have
the correcert User & root PASSWORDs I had set up just a few
minutes previously on a new Ubuntu installation on my laptop.

Both cases I would have been up a creek without a paddle, but both cases
netrik was able to help me easily search for the info I needed to fix my
problem withouth having to boot into X. Highly recommend it!

P.S. Thanks for putting up with the voiceOnTheGo spam the other day. Testing
new services, and sometimes, let me tell you, sometimes default SETTINGS
suck!

**
--
Jim Fulner
The DetroitLibertyPenguin
Promoting Free Minds, Free Markets and Free Software
*and whenever possible Free Beer
*"For as long as one of your brothers is not free, none of you are free"
248-765-7458 (cell)
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From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 17:13:54 2010
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:13:54 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Install netrik now, save your @$$ later
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilWTkCCVhgLBrhs7_kDfQd-KVELFFwshX20MASH@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilWTkCCVhgLBrhs7_kDfQd-KVELFFwshX20MASH@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinQsQwo1htcEJ5cm8EWEVrXiznnTAqfpt3CdHR-@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Robert Jim Fulner <fulner at gmail.com> wrote:
> With most every LinuxBox I've set up since then I've configured netrik, just
> for the heck of it. I though "I just might need this someday" not really
> thinking why.

I've installed ELinks on some systems but most of the time I have
several other systems available so I rarely need it.


From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Thu Jul 22 08:10:33 2010
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:10:33 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Install netrik now, save your @$$ later
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilWTkCCVhgLBrhs7_kDfQd-KVELFFwshX20MASH@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilWTkCCVhgLBrhs7_kDfQd-KVELFFwshX20MASH@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03705240C5C@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Jim Fulner

> Both cases I would have been up a creek without a paddle, but both
cases
> netrik was able to help me easily search for the info I needed to fix
my
> problem withouth having to boot into X. Highly recommend it!

 I like w3m for the same purposes; seems to format things a little
better. But either way, a text-only browser is a very useful thing!

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                              (313) 227-2317

 "The function of laws to protect children cannot be to
         force adults to act like them." - Irvu

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From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Thu Jul 22 09:52:07 2010
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 09:52:07 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Install netrik now, save your @$$ later
In-Reply-To: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03705240C5C@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <AANLkTilWTkCCVhgLBrhs7_kDfQd-KVELFFwshX20MASH@mail.gmail.com>
	<319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03705240C5C@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <9FB6372000B099469B46478B643EE469022EF8DEF0@EXCCRVS1.mi.corp.rockfin.com>

I too make sure that elinks is part of my standard install on servers.

Ironically, I find myself running "telnet <webserver ip> 80" and manually issuing GET commands all too frequently. :/  

telnet - the ULTIMATE text-based web browser!

-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Ingles, Raymond
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:11 AM
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Install netrik now, save your @$$ later

> From: Jim Fulner

> Both cases I would have been up a creek without a paddle, but both
cases
> netrik was able to help me easily search for the info I needed to fix
my
> problem withouth having to boot into X. Highly recommend it!

 I like w3m for the same purposes; seems to format things a little
better. But either way, a text-only browser is a very useful thing!

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                              (313) 227-2317

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         force adults to act like them." - Irvu

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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 22 10:04:21 2010
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:04:21 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Install netrik now, save your @$$ later
In-Reply-To: <9FB6372000B099469B46478B643EE469022EF8DEF0@EXCCRVS1.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
References: <AANLkTilWTkCCVhgLBrhs7_kDfQd-KVELFFwshX20MASH@mail.gmail.com>	<319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03705240C5C@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<9FB6372000B099469B46478B643EE469022EF8DEF0@EXCCRVS1.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
Message-ID: <4C484FE5.2010205@gmail.com>

Wojtak, Greg wrote:
> I too make sure that elinks is part of my standard install on servers.
> 
> Ironically, I find myself running "telnet <webserver ip> 80" and manually issuing GET commands all too frequently. :/  
> 
> telnet - the ULTIMATE text-based web browser!
> 

or sendmail tool :-)
telnet somehost 25


From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Thu Jul 22 10:15:59 2010
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:15:59 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Install netrik now, save your @$$ later
In-Reply-To: <4C484FE5.2010205@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilWTkCCVhgLBrhs7_kDfQd-KVELFFwshX20MASH@mail.gmail.com>
	<319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03705240C5C@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<9FB6372000B099469B46478B643EE469022EF8DEF0@EXCCRVS1.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
	<4C484FE5.2010205@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9FB6372000B099469B46478B643EE469022EF8E003@EXCCRVS1.mi.corp.rockfin.com>

It's like a Swiss Army knife!

-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Kulkis
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:04 AM
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Install netrik now, save your @$$ later

Wojtak, Greg wrote:
> I too make sure that elinks is part of my standard install on servers.
> 
> Ironically, I find myself running "telnet <webserver ip> 80" and manually issuing GET commands all too frequently. :/  
> 
> telnet - the ULTIMATE text-based web browser!
> 

or sendmail tool :-)
telnet somehost 25
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From tesral at wowway.com  Thu Jul 22 11:26:02 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:26:02 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [Stilyagi] Liquid Web Continues Hiring]
Message-ID: <4C48630A.6000107@wowway.com>


Again passed on without comment.

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From tony at bemushosting.com  Thu Jul 22 12:59:12 2010
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:59:12 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] meeting Topics?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimWVWWTaEv_18OP52F8rW7bLLT5IbK4NR6fGNov@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1278945730.29947.65.camel@bemus-remote>
	<AANLkTimWVWWTaEv_18OP52F8rW7bLLT5IbK4NR6fGNov@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1279817952.11611.3.camel@bemus-remote>

Great Pat!   What would work for you September, November or December?

And I am volunteering to do a presentation on LAMP Server, Linux Apache
Mysql, and PHP server.

Any one appose to this?

Tony

On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 09:37 -0400, - wrote:
> I am in the process of writing up the presentation for VirtualBox.
> 
> Pat
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:
> 
> > During the last meeting we asked for some topics that people were
> > interested in either hearing about or presenting on.  Here is a list
> > that we came up with:
> >
> > Setting up a home web server (LAMP) - there was discussion but I think
> > Gary's question wasnt answered.
> >
> > Updates on Arduino - Can anyone talk to the i3detroit guys and see if
> > they are interested in coming and talking?
> >
> > Virtual machines: setup and uses -  Any want to present or head a talk?
> >
> > Setup a Secure SMTP server with SSL - Robin will Talk about it in
> > October.
> >
> > Any other suggestion.  or more needed is people presenting?.?...
> >
> > Tony Bemus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > mdlug mailing list
> > mdlug at mdlug.org
> > http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> >
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug




From radkins at impelind.com  Thu Jul 22 15:58:47 2010
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:58:47 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] KDE 4
In-Reply-To: <603058.54323.qm@web37901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4C293CA4.1000608@twmi.rr.com><AANLkTilSFTSJT_6oX5lDjlhU60PXCDspSG1Rl1YqaNRP@mail.gmail.com><4C296D1B.3060409@twmi.rr.com>
	<4C296DEF.8020004@gmail.com>
	<603058.54323.qm@web37901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A32E5B6F182E409DAFBCC6173B9BA433@Delta7>


> 
> I use KDE. I hope that the team keeps in mind that people are 
> on windows because they have it seems, no other choice.
> 
> And with the flop of vista I'm surprized that we did not get 
> more migration to Linux KDE or Gnome.
> 
> David C. Lane 
> 
> 

  That's because people stuck with Windows XP until Windows 7 came out.

  There was every reason to stay away from Windows Vista and now almost
every reason to update to Windows 7.

  Beyond that, the still primary majority of computer users just head out to
Best Buy and similar shops that sell computers and walk out with that which
is on the shelf.

  There's few "mainstream" retailers that sell Linux machines.

	-Rob



From gib at juno.com  Fri Jul 23 08:15:57 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:15:57 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] meeting Topics?
Message-ID: <20100723.081557.8710.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>

This all sounds great.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] meeting Topics?
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:59:12 -0400

Great Pat!   What would work for you September, November or December?

And I am volunteering to do a presentation on LAMP Server, Linux Apache
Mysql, and PHP server.

Any one appose to this?

Tony

On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 09:37 -0400, - wrote:
> I am in the process of writing up the presentation for VirtualBox.
> 
> Pat
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:
> 
> > During the last meeting we asked for some topics that people were
> > interested in either hearing about or presenting on.  Here is a list
> > that we came up with:
> >
> > Setting up a home web server (LAMP) - there was discussion but I think
> > Gary's question wasnt answered.
> >
> > Updates on Arduino - Can anyone talk to the i3detroit guys and see if
> > they are interested in coming and talking?
> >
> > Virtual machines: setup and uses -  Any want to present or head a talk?
> >
> > Setup a Secure SMTP server with SSL - Robin will Talk about it in
> > October.
> >
> > Any other suggestion.  or more needed is people presenting?.?...
> >
> > Tony Bemus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > mdlug mailing list
> > mdlug at mdlug.org
> > http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> >
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


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From otakurider at gmail.com  Fri Jul 23 19:23:04 2010
From: otakurider at gmail.com (-)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:23:04 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] meeting Topics?
In-Reply-To: <20100723.081557.8710.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20100723.081557.8710.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinNP1Cd=GpUQyh03sL6h2CfdiQ6VMvkvRoOezO7@mail.gmail.com>

I am pushing for September..After school starts my not be able to for a
while.



Pat.




On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 8:15 AM, gib at juno.com <gib at juno.com> wrote:

> This all sounds great.
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] meeting Topics?
> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:59:12 -0400
>
> Great Pat!   What would work for you September, November or December?
>
> And I am volunteering to do a presentation on LAMP Server, Linux Apache
> Mysql, and PHP server.
>
> Any one appose to this?
>
> Tony
>
> On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 09:37 -0400, - wrote:
> > I am in the process of writing up the presentation for VirtualBox.
> >
> > Pat
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > During the last meeting we asked for some topics that people were
> > > interested in either hearing about or presenting on.  Here is a list
> > > that we came up with:
> > >
> > > Setting up a home web server (LAMP) - there was discussion but I think
> > > Gary's question wasnt answered.
> > >
> > > Updates on Arduino - Can anyone talk to the i3detroit guys and see if
> > > they are interested in coming and talking?
> > >
> > > Virtual machines: setup and uses -  Any want to present or head a talk?
> > >
> > > Setup a Secure SMTP server with SSL - Robin will Talk about it in
> > > October.
> > >
> > > Any other suggestion.  or more needed is people presenting?.?...
> > >
> > > Tony Bemus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > mdlug mailing list
> > > mdlug at mdlug.org
> > > http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > mdlug mailing list
> > mdlug at mdlug.org
> > http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> ____________________________________________________________
> FIRE SALE: iPads for $23.74?
> SPECIAL REPORT: iPads are being auctioned for an incredible 85% off!
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>


From otakurider at gmail.com  Fri Jul 23 19:23:54 2010
From: otakurider at gmail.com (-)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:23:54 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] meeting Topics?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinNP1Cd=GpUQyh03sL6h2CfdiQ6VMvkvRoOezO7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100723.081557.8710.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
	<AANLkTinNP1Cd=GpUQyh03sL6h2CfdiQ6VMvkvRoOezO7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikfrk_ZHvLtd2MGSjuV7rTWBm-N=QXmBO6374dj@mail.gmail.com>

that was " may" not my



On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:23 PM, - <otakurider at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am pushing for September..After school starts my not be able to for a
> while.
>
>
>
> Pat.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 8:15 AM, gib at juno.com <gib at juno.com> wrote:
>
>> This all sounds great.
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
>> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
>> Subject: Re: [mdlug] meeting Topics?
>> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:59:12 -0400
>>
>> Great Pat!   What would work for you September, November or December?
>>
>> And I am volunteering to do a presentation on LAMP Server, Linux Apache
>> Mysql, and PHP server.
>>
>> Any one appose to this?
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 09:37 -0400, - wrote:
>> > I am in the process of writing up the presentation for VirtualBox.
>> >
>> > Pat
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > During the last meeting we asked for some topics that people were
>> > > interested in either hearing about or presenting on.  Here is a list
>> > > that we came up with:
>> > >
>> > > Setting up a home web server (LAMP) - there was discussion but I think
>> > > Gary's question wasnt answered.
>> > >
>> > > Updates on Arduino - Can anyone talk to the i3detroit guys and see if
>> > > they are interested in coming and talking?
>> > >
>> > > Virtual machines: setup and uses -  Any want to present or head a
>> talk?
>> > >
>> > > Setup a Secure SMTP server with SSL - Robin will Talk about it in
>> > > October.
>> > >
>> > > Any other suggestion.  or more needed is people presenting?.?...
>> > >
>> > > Tony Bemus
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > mdlug mailing list
>> > > mdlug at mdlug.org
>> > > http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>> > >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > mdlug mailing list
>> > mdlug at mdlug.org
>> > http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
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From petertheplumber at att.net  Sun Jul 25 11:24:27 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 11:24:27 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] What Distro f/Asus T91MT Touchscreen w/GMA500 Chip
 Decision
In-Reply-To: <20100628164833.60fef7f3@Nokia-N800-43-7>
References: <20100628164833.60fef7f3@Nokia-N800-43-7>
Message-ID: <1280071467.4686.31.camel@plumber-notebook.site>

On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 16:48 -0400, Peter Bart wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>     Has anyone gotten single touch touch screen working on an Asus
> T91(MT)? I've been trying to get UNR  9.10 working to my satisfaction
> on one with a GMA500 chip and I get close but no cigar. I got the
> touchscreen working but then found out I can't suspend with a mounted
> sd card, and that's where I had /swap. I reinstalled putting /swap on
> the ssd  but now wireless won't wake up from suspend even with the
> backport modules. I'm okay with the low resolution  for now, but not
> with the slow as mollasses UNR menu. I've seen tantalizing references
> to Mandriva coming with support for the GMA500, but not evtouch. Could
> be all I have to do is install it from from the repo's? Of course
> there's openSUSE to consider, but I haven't looked real hard.  I'm
> ready to trade the finger friendly UNR menu for anything that works. I
> can allways supersize the toolbar. Or do I simply need to pull on my
> tinfoil hat tighter? Anyone care to comment?

	I've decided on UNR 10.4. There has been a lot of work on this distro
specific to the T91MT listed here
<http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ubuntu_9.10_on_the_t91_t91mt#touchscreen_t91mt_10.04>. I've got the install done with some of the modifications. I've got a working computer, with touchscreen and onscreen keyboard. It's very nice. I'm not able to resume though. I can suspend and upon resume I'm dumped out to the login screen. When I log in my open applications are gone. I'm trying to figure out how to troubleshoot that.
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From tony at bemushosting.com  Thu Jul 29 10:19:04 2010
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:19:04 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New Website Final Testing
Message-ID: <1280413144.26773.8.camel@bemus-remote>

We are entering the Final Testing phase for the new website.
http://www.mdlug.org/testing/    Please check it out and let me know if
you find any miss-spellings or dead links.

Tony Bemus
Webmaster
http://www.mdlug.org/testing/




From unforgiven24 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 29 10:24:58 2010
From: unforgiven24 at gmail.com (Mike Ward)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:24:58 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New Website Final Testing
In-Reply-To: <1280413144.26773.8.camel@bemus-remote>
References: <1280413144.26773.8.camel@bemus-remote>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik6qMs9k6wvuC5iv8QhL9P7-qiHdk4X4QrN5J7u@mail.gmail.com>

Looks nice, I like it. I skimmed through and didn't see anything glaringly off.


On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:
> We are entering the Final Testing phase for the new website.
> http://www.mdlug.org/testing/ ? ?Please check it out and let me know if
> you find any miss-spellings or dead links.
>
> Tony Bemus
> Webmaster
> http://www.mdlug.org/testing/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>


From rkannan at peoplepc.com  Thu Jul 29 11:27:18 2010
From: rkannan at peoplepc.com (R. Kannan)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:27:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] New Website Final Testing
Message-ID: <11498922.1280417238759.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Very professional looking website. Good job.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
>Sent: Jul 29, 2010 10:19 AM
>To: mdlug at mdlug.org
>Subject: [mdlug] New Website Final Testing
>
>We are entering the Final Testing phase for the new website.
>http://www.mdlug.org/testing/    Please check it out and let me know if
>you find any miss-spellings or dead links.
>
>Tony Bemus
>Webmaster
>http://www.mdlug.org/testing/
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>mdlug mailing list
>mdlug at mdlug.org
>http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


________________________________________
PeoplePC Online
A better way to Internet
http://www.peoplepc.com


From unforgiven24 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 29 12:29:28 2010
From: unforgiven24 at gmail.com (Mike Ward)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:29:28 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New Website Final Testing
In-Reply-To: <11498922.1280417238759.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <11498922.1280417238759.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinzA+qjTDeEzjz6coV=rFTwsVKb1QehxQz3_JaX@mail.gmail.com>

I noticed the "Quick Look" part to the left, too - nice touch.
Generally when I look at a group's website, one of the first things I
look for is when/where they meet.

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:27 AM, R. Kannan <rkannan at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
> Very professional looking website. Good job.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
>>Sent: Jul 29, 2010 10:19 AM
>>To: mdlug at mdlug.org
>>Subject: [mdlug] New Website Final Testing
>>
>>We are entering the Final Testing phase for the new website.
>>http://www.mdlug.org/testing/ ? ?Please check it out and let me know if
>>you find any miss-spellings or dead links.
>>
>>Tony Bemus
>>Webmaster
>>http://www.mdlug.org/testing/
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>mdlug mailing list
>>mdlug at mdlug.org
>>http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>
>
> ________________________________________
> PeoplePC Online
> A better way to Internet
> http://www.peoplepc.com
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>


From micorral at comcast.net  Thu Jul 29 14:42:55 2010
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:42:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] New Website Final Testing
In-Reply-To: <1280413144.26773.8.camel@bemus-remote>
References: <1280413144.26773.8.camel@bemus-remote>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1007291430320.4443@banana.sluggo.net>

2010-07-29, Monsieur Tony Bemus a ecrit:
> We are entering the Final Testing phase for the new website.
> http://www.mdlug.org/testing/    Please check it out and let me know if
> you find any miss-spellings or dead links.

1. In the "Monthly Meetings" paragraph, change
      "Gaudior Academy is Located at"
    to
      "Gaudior Academy is located at"
    and put a period after the zipcode 48141.

2. In the "FREEDOM, COMMUNITY, SUPPORT" heading with the green background,
    the paragraph below it has some weird formatting, with a single "the"
    on a line by itself (the second line). Also, the "More details" link
    is cut off about midway. See here for how it looks in Firefox 3.6.7
    on my machine: http://i.imgur.com/SJ4yY.png

3. The "Next meeting" paragraph has some missing periods at the end
    of two sentences.

4. On the http://www.mdlug.org/testing/maillist.html page, change
      "Once subscribeed you will have apassword"
    to
      "Once subscribed, you will have a password"

There may be more, but that's all I saw right away. Otherwise, good job.

Michael


From tony at bemushosting.com  Thu Jul 29 15:28:02 2010
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:28:02 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New Website Final Testing
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1007291430320.4443@banana.sluggo.net>
References: <1280413144.26773.8.camel@bemus-remote>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1007291430320.4443@banana.sluggo.net>
Message-ID: <1280431682.2004.3.camel@bemus-remote>

I appriciate the help.  As for the formating for the home page,  what
resolution is your computer and or firefox at?  I believe it isn't
affected by the bowser or OS, because I tested in may version, but I
believe it is related to the resolution or width of page.

Tony Bemus
Webmaster

On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 14:42 -0400, Michael Corral wrote:
> 2010-07-29, Monsieur Tony Bemus a ecrit:
> > We are entering the Final Testing phase for the new website.
> > http://www.mdlug.org/testing/    Please check it out and let me know if
> > you find any miss-spellings or dead links.
> 
> 1. In the "Monthly Meetings" paragraph, change
>       "Gaudior Academy is Located at"
>     to
>       "Gaudior Academy is located at"
>     and put a period after the zipcode 48141.
> 
> 2. In the "FREEDOM, COMMUNITY, SUPPORT" heading with the green background,
>     the paragraph below it has some weird formatting, with a single "the"
>     on a line by itself (the second line). Also, the "More details" link
>     is cut off about midway. See here for how it looks in Firefox 3.6.7
>     on my machine: http://i.imgur.com/SJ4yY.png
> 
> 3. The "Next meeting" paragraph has some missing periods at the end
>     of two sentences.
> 
> 4. On the http://www.mdlug.org/testing/maillist.html page, change
>       "Once subscribeed you will have apassword"
>     to
>       "Once subscribed, you will have a password"
> 
> There may be more, but that's all I saw right away. Otherwise, good job.
> 
> Michael
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug




From tesral at wowway.com  Thu Jul 29 15:43:48 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:43:48 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New Website Final Testing
In-Reply-To: <1280431682.2004.3.camel@bemus-remote>
References: <1280413144.26773.8.camel@bemus-remote>	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1007291430320.4443@banana.sluggo.net>
	<1280431682.2004.3.camel@bemus-remote>
Message-ID: <4C51D9F4.3030607@wowway.com>

Tony Bemus wrote:
> I appriciate the help.  As for the formating for the home page,  what
> resolution is your computer and or firefox at?  I believe it isn't
> affected by the bowser or OS, because I tested in may version, but I
> believe it is related to the resolution or width of page.
>   
That is a negative.  The width of the page does not resize.  I resized
my window from 1920 to 600 and got the same results.   A failure to resize.


-- 
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Those persons, or societies, easily offended need to be offended until they get over it.
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From micorral at comcast.net  Thu Jul 29 15:51:09 2010
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:51:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] New Website Final Testing
In-Reply-To: <1280431682.2004.3.camel@bemus-remote>
References: <1280413144.26773.8.camel@bemus-remote>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1007291430320.4443@banana.sluggo.net>
	<1280431682.2004.3.camel@bemus-remote>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1007291548040.1867@banana.sluggo.net>

2010-07-29, Monsieur Tony Bemus a ecrit:
> I appriciate the help.  As for the formating for the home page,  what
> resolution is your computer and or firefox at?  I believe it isn't
> affected by the bowser or OS, because I tested in may version, but I
> believe it is related to the resolution or width of page.

My desktop resoultion is 1920x1080 at 96dpi. For Firefox, it doesn't
matter what window size I use, the formatting of that green section
is always off, even when the window is maximized.

Michael


From tony at bemushosting.com  Thu Jul 29 16:18:28 2010
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:18:28 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New Website Final Testing
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1007291548040.1867@banana.sluggo.net>
References: <1280413144.26773.8.camel@bemus-remote>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1007291430320.4443@banana.sluggo.net>
	<1280431682.2004.3.camel@bemus-remote>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1007291548040.1867@banana.sluggo.net>
Message-ID: <1280434708.2004.7.camel@bemus-remote>

Ok,  Could it be related to the size of the text.  I was able to
recreate something similar to what you are seeing if I enlarge the text
by just two sizes (Ctrl and +).  I will need to look into the CSS code
to check on how it is sizing.

Thank you for the help!!

Tony


On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 15:51 -0400, Michael Corral wrote:
> 2010-07-29, Monsieur Tony Bemus a ecrit:
> > I appriciate the help.  As for the formating for the home page,  what
> > resolution is your computer and or firefox at?  I believe it isn't
> > affected by the bowser or OS, because I tested in may version, but I
> > believe it is related to the resolution or width of page.
> 
> My desktop resoultion is 1920x1080 at 96dpi. For Firefox, it doesn't
> matter what window size I use, the formatting of that green section
> is always off, even when the window is maximized.
> 
> Michael
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug




From tony at bemushosting.com  Thu Jul 29 16:57:16 2010
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:57:16 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New Website Final Testing
In-Reply-To: <1280434708.2004.7.camel@bemus-remote>
References: <1280413144.26773.8.camel@bemus-remote>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1007291430320.4443@banana.sluggo.net>
	<1280431682.2004.3.camel@bemus-remote>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1007291548040.1867@banana.sluggo.net>
	<1280434708.2004.7.camel@bemus-remote>
Message-ID: <1280437036.2004.8.camel@bemus-remote>

Ok,  Ive made some changes,  Let me know if it helps.

Tony


On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 16:18 -0400, Tony Bemus wrote:
> Ok,  Could it be related to the size of the text.  I was able to
> recreate something similar to what you are seeing if I enlarge the text
> by just two sizes (Ctrl and +).  I will need to look into the CSS code
> to check on how it is sizing.
> 
> Thank you for the help!!
> 
> Tony
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 15:51 -0400, Michael Corral wrote:
> > 2010-07-29, Monsieur Tony Bemus a ecrit:
> > > I appriciate the help.  As for the formating for the home page,  what
> > > resolution is your computer and or firefox at?  I believe it isn't
> > > affected by the bowser or OS, because I tested in may version, but I
> > > believe it is related to the resolution or width of page.
> > 
> > My desktop resoultion is 1920x1080 at 96dpi. For Firefox, it doesn't
> > matter what window size I use, the formatting of that green section
> > is always off, even when the window is maximized.
> > 
> > Michael
> > _______________________________________________
> > mdlug mailing list
> > mdlug at mdlug.org
> > http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug




From gib at juno.com  Sat Jul 31 21:30:08 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 01:30:08 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Cheap Netbook
Message-ID: <20100731.213008.9953.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>

Here is an auction for the cheap netbook I mentioned in the last meeting:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230505840480


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From john_re at fastmail.us  Sat Jul  3 08:52:29 2010
From: john_re at fastmail.us (giovanni_re)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 05:52:29 -0700
Subject: [mdlug] Join July Global Linux via VOIP Free SW HW Culture Mtgs -
 BerkeleyTIP-Global
Message-ID: <1278161549.3065.1383107391@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Watch some videos. Mark your calendar. Invite your friends.
Join in on IRC or Voice.  Join the mailing list, say "Hi.  :)"

=====  1)  2010.7 Videos:
Motorola Droid Metro PCS Apps, makeitcricket.com
How to write VOIP client in less then 2 minutes, rpdammu
Open Wonderland virtual worlds platform, Nicole Yankelovich, iED
How to Succeed in Mobile, Girl Geek Dinner, Kris Corzine
Schizophrenic Firewalls - virtualized net stack OpenBSD, Claudio Jeker
Using KDE Marble to research your next vacation, Justin Kirby 
Meet Google Founder Larry Page, Google Faculty Summit 2009
Building the Python Community, Steve Holden, PyCon 2010
How Python, TurboGears, and MongoDB are Transforming SourceForge.net,
  Rick Copeland, PyCon
Introducing Numpy Arrays, unpingco

http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/talk-videos/2010-7-videos

==  July Meetings  -  Mark your calendar:
 3 Sat 12N-3P PST = 3-6P EST = 19-22 UTC
12 Mon  5 -6P PST = 8-9P EST =  0- 1 UTC Tues 13
18 Sun 12N-3P PST = 3-6P EST = 19-22 UTC
27 Tue  5 -6P PST = 8-9P EST =  0- 1 UTC Wed 28


=====
You're invited to join in with the friendly people at the BerkeleyTIP
global meeting  -  newbie to Ph.D. -  everyone is invited.

Get a headset & join using VOIP online, or come to Berkeley.

1st step: Join the mailing list:
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

Watch the videos.  Discuss them on VOIP.
10 great videos/talks this month.

Join with us at the Golden Bear Cafe, Upper Sproul Plaza, UCB
 at the University of California at Berkeley,
or join from your home via VOIP,
or send this email locally, create a local meeting, & join via VOIP:
  Tip: a wifi cafe is a great place to meet. :)

PLEASE VIEW THE BTIP WEBSITE & MAILING LIST FOR LATEST DETIALS.
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip

BerkeleyTIP  -  Educational, Productive, Social
For Learning about, Sharing, & Producing, All Free SW HW & Culture.
TIP ==  Talks, Installfest, Project & Programming Party


=====  CONTENTS:  1) 2010 JULY VIDEOS;  2) 2010 JULY MEETING DAYS,
TIMES, LOCATIONS;  3) LOCAL MEETING AT U. C. Berkeley;
4) HOT TOPICS;  5) PLEASE  RSVP  PROBABILISTICALLY, THANKS :) ;
6) INSTALLFEST;  7) ARRIVING FIRST AT THE MEETING: MAKE A
"BerkeleyTIP" SIGN;  8) IRC: #berkeleytip  on  irc.freenode.net; 9) VOIP
FOR GLOBAL MEETING;  10) VOLUNTEERING, TO DOs;  11) MAILING LISTS:
BerkeleyTIP-Global, LocalBerkeley, Announce;  12) ANYTHING I FORGOT TO
MENTION?;  13) FOR FORWARDING


=======================================================================
=====  1)   -  See videos list at top of this email.
Thanks to all the speakers, organizations, & videographers. :)
[Please alert the speakers that their talks are scheduled for 
BTIP (if you are with the group that recorded their talk), because I may
not have time to do that.  Thanks. :)  ]

Download & watch these talks before the BTIP meetings. Discuss at the
meeting.

Email the mailing list, tell us what videos you'll watch & want to
discuss.

Know any other video sources? - please email me.

_Your_ group should video record & post online your meeting's talks!


=====  2)  2010 JULY MEETING DAYS, TIMES, LOCATIONS
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/schedule
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/directions

In person meetings on 1st Saturday & 3rd Sunday, every month.
July 3 & 18, 12N-3P USA-Pacific time, Saturday, Sunday
July 3  = Golden Bear Cafe, Upper Sproul Plaza, UCB
July 18 = Free Speech Cafe, Moffitt Library, UCB

Online only meeting using VOIP - 9 days after weekend meetings:
July 12 & 27, 5-6P   USA-Pacific time, Monday, Tuesday

Mark your calendars.


=====  3)  LOCAL MEETING AT  U. C. BERKELEY
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/directions

RSVP please.  See below.  It greatly helps my planning.  But, _do_ come
if you forgot to RSVP.

ALWAYS BE SURE TO CHECK THE BTIP WEBSITE _&_ MAILING LIST FOR THE LATEST
LAST MINUTE DETAILS & CHANGES, BEFORE COMING TO THE MEETING! :)

DO BRING A VOIP HEADSET, available for $10-30 at most electronics retail
stores, & a laptop computer, so you are able to communicate with the
global BTIP community via VOIP.  It is highly recommended that you have
a voip headset, & not rely on a laptop's built in microphone & speakers,
because the headphones keep the noise level down.  Bringing a headset is
not required, but is a great part of the being able to communicate with
the global community. :)

Clothing: Typically 55-80 degrees F.  Weather:
http://www.wunderground.com/auto/sfgate/CA/Berkeley.html

Other location local meeting possibilities:
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/local-meetings
Create a local meeting in your town. Invite your friends.  :)  


=====  4)  HOT TOPICS
Android phones - Besting iPhone? worthwhile? How knowable is the hw?
iPad, iPhone4 & iPod- rooting & running GNU(Linux)
Skype for group video conferencing?
Open Wonderland virtual worlds platform


=====  5)  PLEASE  RSVP  PROBABILISTICALLY, THANKS  :)
If you think there is a >70% chance ("likely") you'll come to the in
person meeting in Berkeley, please RSVP to me. Thanks.  It helps my
planning.  Please _do_ come even if you haven't RSVP'd, it's not
required.

Better yet, join the BerkeleyTIP-Global mailing list, send the RSVP
there, & tell us what things you're interested in, or what videos you'll
try to watch - so we can know what videos are popular, & we might watch
them too. :)
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal


=====  6)  INSTALLFEST
Get help installing & using Free Software, Hardware & Culture.
Laptops only, typically.  There isn't easy access for physically
bringing desktop boxes here.

RSVP _HIGHLY RECOMMENDED_ if you want installfest help.  Please RSVP to
me, Giovanni, at the from address for this announcement, or better, join
& send email to the BTIP-Global mailing list telling us what you'd like
help with.  This way we can be better prepared to help you, & you might
get valuable advice from the mailing list members.

If you are new to using free software, an excellent system would be the
KUbuntu GNU(Linux) software.  It is very comprehensive, fairly easy to
use (similar to Windows or Mac), & suitable for personal, home,
university, or business use.

We are also glad to try to help people with software who join via VOIP. 
Please email the mailing list with requests that you want help with, so
we can try to be prepared better to help you.

Installfest volunteers/helpers always welcome, in person, or via VOIP.
:)


=====  7)  ARRIVING FIRST AT THE MEETING:  MAKE A "BerkeleyTIP" SIGN
If you get to the meeting & don't see a "BerkeleyTIP" sign up yet,
please:
1) Make a BTIP sign on an 8x11 paper & put it at your table,
2) Email the mailing list, or join on IRC, & let us know you are there.

Ask someone if you could use their computer for a minute to look
something up, or send an email.  People are usually very friendly &
willing to help.  We can also email you a temporary guest AirBears
account login.

We will have wifi guest accounts available for BTIP attendees.  Be sure
you have wifi capable equipment.  Be Prepared: Bring a multi-outlet
extension power cord.


=====  8)  IRC:  #berkeleytip  on  irc.freenode.net
For help with anything, especially how to get VOIP working, & text
communication.


=====  9)  VOIP FOR GLOBAL MEETING
Speak & listen to everyone globally using VOIP.
Get a headset!  See some VOIP instructions here:
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/voice-voip-conferencing


===== 10)  VOLUNTEERING, TO DOs
Enjoy doing or learning something(s)?  Help out BTIP in that area. 
Website development, mailing list management, video locating, VOIP
server (FreeSwitch, Asterisk) or client (Ekiga, SFLPhone,...), creating
a local meeting.  Join the mailing list & let us know.  Your offers of
free help are always welcome here. :)


=====  11)  MAILING LISTS:  BerkeleyTIP-Global, LocalBerkeley, Announce
Everyone should join the BerkeleyTIP-Global list:
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal
Say "hi", tell us your interests, & what videos you'll like to watch.

Info on all lists here:
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/mailing-lists


=====  12)  ANYTHING I FORGOT TO MENTION?
Please join & email the BerkeleyTIP-Global mailing list.


=====  13)  FOR FORWARDING
You are invited to forward this message anywhere it would be
appreciated.
Better yet, use it to create a local meeting.  Invite & get together
with your friends locally, & join in with us all globally. :)


Looking forward to meeting with you in person, or online. :)

Giovanni

==  Join in the Global weekly meetings, via VOIP, about all Free SW HW & Culture
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/



From al at bighealey.org  Thu Jul  8 17:07:11 2010
From: al at bighealey.org (Al Fuller)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 17:07:11 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Webserver
In-Reply-To: <37d83cf0d85acd20739d38abc6985f2b.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <AANLkTim9PTkwKmcaKiL6NgyvrWSp1dThYwO4lPRIr55n@mail.gmail.com>	<4C242D61.7050006@wowway.com>
	<37d83cf0d85acd20739d38abc6985f2b.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <002401cb1ee1$8bdc0c00$a3942400$@org>

BTW, if the only thing holding you back from internet accessibility as you
indicated below is the lack of a static IP address - you could use one of
the dynamic dns services, which will give you an outward-facing  web address
and keep track of your IP address for you.  Some are free...

> I'm not looking for Internet accessibility.  (Can't afford the fixed IP
> for starters.)

Al Fuller
al at bighealey dot org
'62 BT-7
'65 BJ-8
'85 Rx-7

-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of
Carl T. Miller
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 7:13 AM
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Webserver

Garry Stahl wrote:
> I am considering setting up one of my older computers as an Intranet web
> server   Anything I need to do (other than obviously run Apache) and
> connect it to the network?

That's pretty much it, unless you want to give others the
ability to manage files or if you need other components
such as php, mysql or ssl.  If you're running a firewall
just check that port 80 is open.

> I'm not looking for Internet accessibility.  (Can't afford the fixed IP
> for starters.)

There are some inexpensive web hosting sites if you want
to do that.

> I have never run a web server or configured one.  Yes, I'm still using
> openSUSE and don't plan to stop.

OpenSUSE should have everything you need to get it going.
Good luck!




From gib at juno.com  Sat Jul 10 15:50:30 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:50:30 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Cheap vid camera and netbook
Message-ID: <20100710.155030.27183.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390202239561&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280529285188&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

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From rstaff at sprynet.com  Sun Jul 11 18:20:16 2010
From: rstaff at sprynet.com (Richard Staff)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 18:20:16 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Configure issues with Hardy Heron (resend of resend)
	(HELP!!!)
Message-ID: <4C3A43A0.7060900@sprynet.com>

I'm trying to install Euchre-0.7 (project went dead in 2006).
My Linux version is Kubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron).
Here are the significant messages from ./configure:
...
checking for gtk-config... no
checking for GTK - version >= 1.2.0... no
*** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found
*** If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
*** your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the
*** full path to gtk-config.
configure: error: Cannot find GTK: Is gtk-config in path?
...
I've tried
":sudo apt-get install GTK+" and
":sudo apt-get install GTK" and
":sudo apt-get install gtk+" and
":sudo apt-get install gtk"
--- result --- nada!
...
Any help out there?
Befuddled, Rick


From not_email at comcast.net  Sun Jul 11 22:23:33 2010
From: not_email at comcast.net (Not Email)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 22:23:33 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] mdlug Digest, Vol 47, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1278864001.26176.mdlug@mdlug.org>
References: <mailman.1.1278864001.26176.mdlug@mdlug.org>
Message-ID: <1278901413.25556.3.camel@localhost>


Gib,

Thanks for posting this.  I got your message in my latest digest but
mine was missing.

Any idea why?

Robin


On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 12:00 -0400, mdlug-request at mdlug.org wrote:

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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Message: 1
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> From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
> Subject: [mdlug] Cheap vid camera and netbook
> To: mdlug at mdlug.org
> Message-ID: <20100710.155030.27183.0 at webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> 
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> 
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From not_email at comcast.net  Sun Jul 11 22:32:22 2010
From: not_email at comcast.net (Not Email)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 22:32:22 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Zip IT IM machine (Cheap Unix hackable device)
Message-ID: <1278901942.25556.15.camel@localhost>

All,

We discussed a hardware device called ZipIM sold at Target for $49.99
via their website.  It is an IM WiFi device that can be hacked.

Zip IM is a simple keyboard IM device that allows you to do IM.  This
may be the next H/W device for those of us that hack.

http://www.target.com/s?keywords=zip+im&searchNodeID=1038576|
1287991011&ref=sr_bx_1_1&x=0&y=0


Zipit IM Wireless IM Device
http://www.zipitwireless.com/



Debian Hack website:
http://quantumlime.com/zipit

I have no more details.  But you are welcome to send me an email if I
have resources I will respond.

Robin


From tony at bemushosting.com  Mon Jul 12 10:42:10 2010
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 10:42:10 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] meeting Topics?
Message-ID: <1278945730.29947.65.camel@bemus-remote>

During the last meeting we asked for some topics that people were
interested in either hearing about or presenting on.  Here is a list
that we came up with:

Setting up a home web server (LAMP) - there was discussion but I think
Gary's question wasnt answered.

Updates on Arduino - Can anyone talk to the i3detroit guys and see if
they are interested in coming and talking?

Virtual machines: setup and uses -  Any want to present or head a talk?

Setup a Secure SMTP server with SSL - Robin will Talk about it in
October.

Any other suggestion.  or more needed is people presenting?.?...

Tony Bemus






From awilliam at opengroupware.us  Mon Jul 12 10:54:23 2010
From: awilliam at opengroupware.us (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 10:54:23 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Webserver
In-Reply-To: <002401cb1ee1$8bdc0c00$a3942400$@org>
References: <AANLkTim9PTkwKmcaKiL6NgyvrWSp1dThYwO4lPRIr55n@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C242D61.7050006@wowway.com>
	<37d83cf0d85acd20739d38abc6985f2b.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<002401cb1ee1$8bdc0c00$a3942400$@org>
Message-ID: <1278946463.4217.6.camel@linux-yu4c.site>

On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 17:07 -0400, Al Fuller wrote:
> BTW, if the only thing holding you back from internet accessibility as you
> indicated below is the lack of a static IP address - you could use one of
> the dynamic dns services, which will give you an outward-facing  web address
> and keep track of your IP address for you.  Some are free...

I would not recommend this.

(a) It almost certainly violates the End-User-License Agreement, to
which you agreed.  It is a violation of contract and unethical.
(b) Performance will be bad.
(c) Availability will be bad.

> > I'm not looking for Internet accessibility.  (Can't afford the fixed IP
> > for starters.

For $20/month you can get a VPS at a service at Linnode. 

-- 
Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam at whitemice.org> LPIC-1, Novell CLA
<http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com>
OpenGroupware, Cyrus IMAPd, Postfix, OpenLDAP, Samba



From painbank at gmail.com  Mon Jul 12 11:59:46 2010
From: painbank at gmail.com (Rich Elswick)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:59:46 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] meeting Topics?
In-Reply-To: <1278945730.29947.65.camel@bemus-remote>
References: <1278945730.29947.65.camel@bemus-remote>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikw-rqRPzOEkKku5pOrGShtjxQVaHQAHYsitOgg@mail.gmail.com>

I would enjoy the web server setup topic.  Especially if someone covered
setting up a cPanel alternative as well as perhaps coding it up to also
serve up pages differently or some such to the local network verse the
publicly accessed pages.

Rich

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:

> During the last meeting we asked for some topics that people were
> interested in either hearing about or presenting on.  Here is a list
> that we came up with:
>
> Setting up a home web server (LAMP) - there was discussion but I think
> Gary's question wasnt answered.
>
> Updates on Arduino - Can anyone talk to the i3detroit guys and see if
> they are interested in coming and talking?
>
> Virtual machines: setup and uses -  Any want to present or head a talk?
>
> Setup a Secure SMTP server with SSL - Robin will Talk about it in
> October.
>
> Any other suggestion.  or more needed is people presenting?.?...
>
> Tony Bemus
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>



-- 
Rich Elswick


From gib at juno.com  Mon Jul 12 13:14:21 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:14:21 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] mdlug Digest, Vol 47, Issue 3
Message-ID: <20100712.131421.29349.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com>

No I don't understand how this is supposed to work.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Not Email <not_email at comcast.net>
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: Re: [mdlug] mdlug Digest, Vol 47, Issue 3
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 22:23:33 -0400



Gib,

Thanks for posting this.  I got your message in my latest digest but
mine was missing.

Any idea why?

Robin


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> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:50:30 GMT
> From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
> Subject: [mdlug] Cheap vid camera and netbook
> To: mdlug at mdlug.org
> Message-ID: <20100710.155030.27183.0 at webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> 
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390202239561&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280529285188&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
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From tony at bemushosting.com  Mon Jul 12 15:34:24 2010
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:34:24 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] mdlug Digest, Vol 47, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <20100712.131421.29349.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20100712.131421.29349.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <1278963264.29947.67.camel@bemus-remote>

I think the posts were on different days and different weeks.  Do you
get your Digest weekly or daily

Tony

On Mon, 2010-07-12 at 17:14 +0000, gib at juno.com wrote:
> No I don't understand how this is supposed to work.
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Not Email <not_email at comcast.net>
> To: mdlug at mdlug.org
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] mdlug Digest, Vol 47, Issue 3
> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 22:23:33 -0400
> 
> 
> 
> Gib,
> 
> Thanks for posting this.  I got your message in my latest digest but
> mine was missing.
> 
> Any idea why?
> 
> Robin
> 
> 
> On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 12:00 -0400, mdlug-request at mdlug.org wrote:
> 
> > Send mdlug mailing list submissions to
> > mdlug at mdlug.org
> > 
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> > http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> > mdlug-request at mdlug.org
> > 
> > You can reach the person managing the list at
> > mdlug-owner at mdlug.org
> > 
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of mdlug digest..."
> > 
> > 
> > Today's Topics:
> > 
> >    1. Cheap vid camera and netbook (gib at juno.com)
> > 
> > 
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:50:30 GMT
> > From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
> > Subject: [mdlug] Cheap vid camera and netbook
> > To: mdlug at mdlug.org
> > Message-ID: <20100710.155030.27183.0 at webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390202239561&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
> > 
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280529285188&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
> > 
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From gib at juno.com  Mon Jul 12 20:39:12 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 00:39:12 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] mdlug Digest, Vol 47, Issue 3
Message-ID: <20100712.203912.9852.1@webmail24.vgs.untd.com>


I get them as they occur.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] mdlug Digest, Vol 47, Issue 3
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:34:24 -0400

I think the posts were on different days and different weeks.  Do you
get your Digest weekly or daily

Tony

On Mon, 2010-07-12 at 17:14 +0000, gib at juno.com wrote:
> No I don't understand how this is supposed to work.
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Not Email <not_email at comcast.net>
> To: mdlug at mdlug.org
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] mdlug Digest, Vol 47, Issue 3
> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 22:23:33 -0400
> 
> 
> 
> Gib,
> 
> Thanks for posting this.  I got your message in my latest digest but
> mine was missing.
> 
> Any idea why?
> 
> Robin
> 
> 
> On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 12:00 -0400, mdlug-request at mdlug.org wrote:
> 
> > Send mdlug mailing list submissions to
> > mdlug at mdlug.org
> > 
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> > http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
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> > mdlug-request at mdlug.org
> > 
> > You can reach the person managing the list at
> > mdlug-owner at mdlug.org
> > 
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of mdlug digest..."
> > 
> > 
> > Today's Topics:
> > 
> >    1. Cheap vid camera and netbook (gib at juno.com)
> > 
> > 
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:50:30 GMT
> > From: "gib at juno.com" <gib at juno.com>
> > Subject: [mdlug] Cheap vid camera and netbook
> > To: mdlug at mdlug.org
> > Message-ID: <20100710.155030.27183.0 at webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390202239561&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
> > 
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280529285188&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
> > 
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From tesral at wowway.com  Tue Jul 13 14:40:11 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:40:11 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [Stilyagi] U-M Computer Showcase repair technician
 opening (fwd)]
Message-ID: <4C3CB30B.8030003@wowway.com>


FYI, for fen in need of work...

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 09:51:36 -0400
From: "Kelley, Aaron" <kelleyam at umich.edu>
Reply-To: "showcase.hiring at umich.edu" <showcase.hiring at umich.edu>
To: "it-jobs at umich.edu" <it-jobs at umich.edu>
Subject: Computer Showcase repair technician opening

The Computer Showcase is looking for a computer support technician for our 
repair service.  The posting is included below.

Thank you,

Aaron Kelley
ITS Computer Support and Repair
UM Computer Showcase



*************

Computer Technician

The U-M Computer Showcase is looking for a F/T (30-40 hrs, weekdays only) 
technician for our computer support and repair service in the Michigan 
Union. The ideal candidate will have Win/Mac desktop support and/or repair 
experience, excellent customer service skills and the ability to work 
effectively in a team setting. Retail experience and/or knowledge of 
inventory management a plus. Pay is $10-12/hour, depending on skills and 
experience. Technical training will be provided. This is a temporary (6-12 
months) position without benefits. Please send resume and cover letter to 
Showcase.hiring at umich.edu<mailto:Showcase.hiring at umich.edu>

Preferred start by August 2.


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From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 13 15:55:29 2010
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:55:29 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [Stilyagi] U-M Computer Showcase repair
	technician opening (fwd)]
In-Reply-To: <4C3CB30B.8030003@wowway.com>
References: <4C3CB30B.8030003@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinUbZPe8oMNyLQbN7Ih_IcsLsiU447BOkXYXok8@mail.gmail.com>

--- Garry Stahl wrote:

> FYI, for fen in need of work...

> The U-M Computer Showcase is looking for a F/T (30-40 hrs, weekdays only)
> technician
[...]
> Pay is $10-12/hour, depending on skills and experience.

Geez, why do they pay next-to-nothing with NO benefits?  I was making
more than this 10 years ago for the same work, and I was underpaid
THEN.

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey


From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 13 16:07:04 2010
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:07:04 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New handset chips support Android
Message-ID: <AANLkTinuSD2eo3O9uJq0ccoCA8jXXzwxEP7MNyr_wXaP@mail.gmail.com>

This is interesting, potentially important news.  I am posting it in
full (with attribution) because these articles go behind a paywall
after a few days.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"MediaTek backs Android with lineup of handset solutions"
Cage Chao, Taipei; Steve Shen, DIGITIMES [Tuesday 13 July 2010]

Fabless chip designer MediaTek has joined the Open Handset Alliance
(OHA) to support the Android mobile device platform developed by
Google, according to a company announcement.

"As an OHA member, MediaTek strives to provide device makers and
partners with multimedia-rich chipset solutions, efficient services
and experienced technical teams that differentiate our Android-based
solutions, " says Jeffrey Ju, general manager of wireless
communication business unit for smartphone at MediaTek.

MediaTek is looking to enable cost-effective Android-based smartphones
through the provision of full system solutions that can further reduce
the barrier to entry for broader world-wide penetration of smartphone
products, the company said in a press release.

Android-based smartphones built with MediaTek's solutions are expected
to hit the markets in November 2010 at the earliest, according to an
estimate from industry watchers.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/MailHome.asp?datePublish=2010/7/13&pages=PD&seq=218>

As MediaTek is a MAJOR player in the handset-chip market, Android (and
by extension, Linux) support is a rather big deal.  It will also speed
the continuing penetration of Android into the mainland-China market.

~~ Michael Rudas
?? My home page: http://MRudas.2Ya.com
?? My Protopage links: http://TinyURL.com/protop
?? http://www.Facebook.com/ScienceMikey


From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 13 17:32:59 2010
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:32:59 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [Stilyagi] U-M Computer Showcase repair
 technician opening (fwd)]
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinUbZPe8oMNyLQbN7Ih_IcsLsiU447BOkXYXok8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C3CB30B.8030003@wowway.com>
	<AANLkTinUbZPe8oMNyLQbN7Ih_IcsLsiU447BOkXYXok8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C3CDB8B.2050301@gmail.com>

Michael Rudas wrote:
> --- Garry Stahl wrote:
> 
>> FYI, for fen in need of work...
> 
>> The U-M Computer Showcase is looking for a F/T (30-40 hrs, weekdays only)
>> technician
> [...]
>> Pay is $10-12/hour, depending on skills and experience.
> 
> Geez, why do they pay next-to-nothing with NO benefits?  I was making
> more than this 10 years ago for the same work, and I was underpaid
> THEN.

$10/hour * 30 hours/week = $300.

Unemployment:  $390/week.

So basically, the market-economics-denying geniuses down
in Ann Arbor want skilled labor for less than unemployment.
And that doesn't even factor in commuting costs, paying more
for lunch, etc.


From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 15 08:47:26 2010
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 08:47:26 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Cool User File Systems, Part 1: SSHFS | Linux Magazine
Message-ID: <4C3F035E.9090407@gmail.com>


<http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7820>


From unforgiven24 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 15 09:21:52 2010
From: unforgiven24 at gmail.com (Mike Ward)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 09:21:52 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Cool User File Systems, Part 1: SSHFS | Linux Magazine
In-Reply-To: <4C3F035E.9090407@gmail.com>
References: <4C3F035E.9090407@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin7znf23YzJqya16_kpCbgbfQhr2tgjRcDMl7rb@mail.gmail.com>

Handy, I may play with this a bit. Thanks for the link. Once while
using scp for something or other I wondered if anyone had put together
some way to mount a fs over ssh, but I was working at the time and
just never got around to investigating.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Aaron Kulkis <akulkis00 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7820>
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From tesral at wowway.com  Thu Jul 15 11:16:27 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:16:27 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [Stilyagi] Arbor Networks job postings]
Message-ID: <4C3F264B.9020502@wowway.com>


(No association, just passing it on)

Arbor Networks is looking to fill various types of roles:

- software engineer proficient in C, ideally with network programming experience
...- user experience developer with experience in php/python,
javascript/jquery, css
- build engineer for a linux / OpenBSD environment
- security researcher analyzing threats
- technical writer

If you're interested email Willie Northway (willn at umich.edu).



-- 
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Those persons, or societies, easily offended need to be offended until they get over it.
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
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Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Thu Jul 15 17:50:51 2010
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:50:51 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Cool User File Systems, Part 1: SSHFS | Linux Magazine
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin7znf23YzJqya16_kpCbgbfQhr2tgjRcDMl7rb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C3F035E.9090407@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin7znf23YzJqya16_kpCbgbfQhr2tgjRcDMl7rb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikN8b-w1H5TwDeL-nHI3V2eZOHWO9zvk_QjjNio@mail.gmail.com>

I've found smbfs useful for accessing Windows systems with XFCE (which
doesn't have integrated SMB support).  It's primitive and can't handle
passwords but is good enough for home networks.

On 7/15/10, Mike Ward <unforgiven24 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Handy, I may play with this a bit. Thanks for the link. Once while
> using scp for something or other I wondered if anyone had put together
> some way to mount a fs over ssh, but I was working at the time and
> just never got around to investigating.
>
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Aaron Kulkis <akulkis00 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> <http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7820>
>> _______________________________________________
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From fulner at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 09:03:40 2010
From: fulner at gmail.com (Jim Fulner)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 09:03:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] mdlug Digest, Vol 47, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1279296001.19613.mdlug@mdlug.org>
References: <mailman.1.1279296001.19613.mdlug@mdlug.org>
Message-ID: <13035596.6645.1279544026287.JavaMail.SYSTEM@appserver4>

Your email was read to me using Voice on the Go.
Try it free for 30 days www.voiceonthego.com/30daysfree


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> 	Magazine
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> 
> I've found smbfs useful for accessing Windows systems with XFCE (which
> doesn't have integrated SMB support).  It's primitive and can't handle
> passwords but is good enough for home networks.
> 
> On 7/15/10, Mike Ward <unforgiven24 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Handy, I may play with this a bit. Thanks for the link. Once while
> > using scp for something or other I wondered if anyone had put together
> > some way to mount a fs over ssh, but I was working at the time and
> > just never got around to investigating.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Aaron Kulkis <akulkis00 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> <http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7820>
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From tesral at wowway.com  Mon Jul 19 11:26:56 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:26:56 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [Stilyagi] OT: Desktop Support Specialist Associate -
	UM-HMRC]
Message-ID: <4C446EC0.6020505@wowway.com>

Again forward without comment.


The University of Michigan Health Management Research Center is looking for
a full-time (40 hr/wk) Desktop Support Specialist Associate to assist in
supporting IT operations.

Note: I work at UM-HMRC and will be involved in the hiring process. As such,
I must remain unbiased and professional and expect the same from others (e.g
don't expect preference just because I know you, what happens at con stays
at con, etc.). However, I will say to carefully read the job description to
make sure that you are fully interested in this position. We are not looking
for anyone who would not take this as a serious career decision.

http://umjobs.org/job_detail/50874/desktop_support_specialist_associate

Submissions due by 7/28/2010.
Due to how the University of Michigan hires, I can not take resumes by
email.

However, I'll be happy to answer any other questions you may have!

Daniel Nance
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Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
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Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From tesral at wowway.com  Mon Jul 19 11:37:06 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:37:06 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Moderation in progress
In-Reply-To: <13035596.6645.1279544026287.JavaMail.SYSTEM@appserver4>
References: <mailman.1.1279296001.19613.mdlug@mdlug.org>
	<13035596.6645.1279544026287.JavaMail.SYSTEM@appserver4>
Message-ID: <4C447122.4030600@wowway.com>

Jim Fulner wrote:
> Your email was read to me using Voice on the Go.
> Try it free for 30 days www.voiceonthego.com/30daysfree
>   

<Ex Cathedra> This example of Spam is being handled off list for your
convenience.  Please do not feed the Trolls. 

Jim Fulner  is welcome to explain himself  to listmod at mdlug.org to avoid
the nuclear option if an honest mistake was made. </Ex Cathedra>

-- 
Garry Stahl  MDLUG List Moderator



From bfotiu at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 13:58:34 2010
From: bfotiu at gmail.com (Brandon Fotiu)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:58:34 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [Stilyagi] OT: Desktop Support Specialist
	Associate - UM-HMRC]
In-Reply-To: <4C446EC0.6020505@wowway.com>
References: <4C446EC0.6020505@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimjsRb-OZtbeutUjSjsKc5qzSjgSnPc1MvAUyZu@mail.gmail.com>

This sounds like a position that would be a good fit for me, unfortunately
it's 90 mins from my house.

Brandon

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Garry Stahl <tesral at wowway.com> wrote:

> Again forward without comment.
>
>
> The University of Michigan Health Management Research Center is looking for
> a full-time (40 hr/wk) Desktop Support Specialist Associate to assist in
> supporting IT operations.
>
> Note: I work at UM-HMRC and will be involved in the hiring process. As
> such,
> I must remain unbiased and professional and expect the same from others
> (e.g
> don't expect preference just because I know you, what happens at con stays
> at con, etc.). However, I will say to carefully read the job description to
> make sure that you are fully interested in this position. We are not
> looking
> for anyone who would not take this as a serious career decision.
>
> http://umjobs.org/job_detail/50874/desktop_support_specialist_associate
>
> Submissions due by 7/28/2010.
> Due to how the University of Michigan hires, I can not take resumes by
> email.
>
> However, I'll be happy to answer any other questions you may have!
>
> Daniel Nance
> _______________________________________________
> Stilyagi mailing list
> Post messages to: Stilyagi at lists.stilyagi.org
> Administrative mail: Stilyagi-owner at lists.stilyagi.org
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>
>
>
> --
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>
> Those persons, or societies, easily offended need to be offended until they
> get over it.
> Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
> The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
> Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org
>
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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 14:23:12 2010
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:23:12 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Moderation in progress
In-Reply-To: <4C447122.4030600@wowway.com>
References: <mailman.1.1279296001.19613.mdlug@mdlug.org>	<13035596.6645.1279544026287.JavaMail.SYSTEM@appserver4>
	<4C447122.4030600@wowway.com>
Message-ID: <4C449810.9040008@gmail.com>

Garry Stahl wrote:
> Jim Fulner wrote:
>> Your email was read to me using Voice on the Go.
>> Try it free for 30 days www.voiceonthego.com/30daysfree
>>   
> 
> <Ex Cathedra> This example of Spam is being handled off list for your
> convenience.  Please do not feed the Trolls. 
> 
> Jim Fulner  is welcome to explain himself  to listmod at mdlug.org to avoid
> the nuclear option if an honest mistake was made. </Ex Cathedra>
> 

I'ts probably like the spam that blackberry attaches to every
message sent from one of their devices (without the user's approval).

In other words, it's beyon Jim's control, other than whether he
uses the device/service or not.


From cvweiss at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 14:46:15 2010
From: cvweiss at gmail.com (Clinton V. Weiss)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:46:15 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Moderation in progress
In-Reply-To: <4C449810.9040008@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1279296001.19613.mdlug@mdlug.org>
	<13035596.6645.1279544026287.JavaMail.SYSTEM@appserver4>
	<4C447122.4030600@wowway.com> <4C449810.9040008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikvT-LEnL7mTcYM1aiJ1XvSCnJdylFCmQPUoTDs@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Aaron Kulkis <akulkis00 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'ts probably like the spam that blackberry attaches to every
> message sent from one of their devices (without the user's approval).
>
>
By default the Blackberry spam is enabled, but it can be disabled by the
user.

-- 
Clinton V. Weiss
cvweiss at gmail.com


From drew4096 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 19 22:11:39 2010
From: drew4096 at gmail.com (Drew)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 22:11:39 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Moderation in progress
In-Reply-To: <4C449810.9040008@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1279296001.19613.mdlug@mdlug.org>
	<13035596.6645.1279544026287.JavaMail.SYSTEM@appserver4>
	<4C447122.4030600@wowway.com> <4C449810.9040008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20100719221007.029fb2e0@pop.gmail.com>

At 02:23 PM 7/19/10, Aaron Kulkis wrote:


>I'ts probably like the spam that blackberry attaches to every
>message sent from one of their devices (without the user's approval).
>
>In other words, it's beyon Jim's control, other than whether he
>uses the device/service or not.

I'd like to believe that. However, the Spam seems to be the entire 
content of the message.

----

- Drew.



From otakurider at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 09:37:09 2010
From: otakurider at gmail.com (-)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 09:37:09 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] meeting Topics?
In-Reply-To: <1278945730.29947.65.camel@bemus-remote>
References: <1278945730.29947.65.camel@bemus-remote>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimWVWWTaEv_18OP52F8rW7bLLT5IbK4NR6fGNov@mail.gmail.com>

I am in the process of writing up the presentation for VirtualBox.

Pat




On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:

> During the last meeting we asked for some topics that people were
> interested in either hearing about or presenting on.  Here is a list
> that we came up with:
>
> Setting up a home web server (LAMP) - there was discussion but I think
> Gary's question wasnt answered.
>
> Updates on Arduino - Can anyone talk to the i3detroit guys and see if
> they are interested in coming and talking?
>
> Virtual machines: setup and uses -  Any want to present or head a talk?
>
> Setup a Secure SMTP server with SSL - Robin will Talk about it in
> October.
>
> Any other suggestion.  or more needed is people presenting?.?...
>
> Tony Bemus
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From gib at juno.com  Wed Jul 21 09:53:14 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:53:14 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] meeting Topics?
Message-ID: <20100721.095314.2691.3@webmail15.vgs.untd.com>

Cool.  I'm looking forward to it.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: - <otakurider at gmail.com>
To: "MDLUG's Main discussion list" <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] meeting Topics?
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 09:37:09 -0400

I am in the process of writing up the presentation for VirtualBox.

Pat




On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:

> During the last meeting we asked for some topics that people were
> interested in either hearing about or presenting on.  Here is a list
> that we came up with:
>
> Setting up a home web server (LAMP) - there was discussion but I think
> Gary's question wasnt answered.
>
> Updates on Arduino - Can anyone talk to the i3detroit guys and see if
> they are interested in coming and talking?
>
> Virtual machines: setup and uses -  Any want to present or head a talk?
>
> Setup a Secure SMTP server with SSL - Robin will Talk about it in
> October.
>
> Any other suggestion.  or more needed is people presenting?.?...
>
> Tony Bemus
>
>
>
>
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From fulner at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 16:57:09 2010
From: fulner at gmail.com (Robert Jim Fulner)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:57:09 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Install netrik now, save your @$$ later
Message-ID: <AANLkTilWTkCCVhgLBrhs7_kDfQd-KVELFFwshX20MASH@mail.gmail.com>

So when I first started using GNU/Linux it was mostly to get around Windows
machines I had access but no one wanted me touching the goodies on.

As such one of my favorite distros for years was "Damn Small Linux". One of
the applications included in DSL was a terminal based web browser called
netrik, talk about ultra light! I'm sure back in 1995 it was even more
useful when the www was so dependenten on crap like java Flash, etc., etc.,
but still was fun to play with in the 2000s anyway.

With most every LinuxBox I've set up since then I've configured netrik, just
for the heck of it. I though "I just might need this someday" not really
thinking why.

After years of being a GNU/Linux user, i'm still just a user. I've never got
a good hold of a lot of the great tools of Linux including find and
configuring etc. I've never really needed to, not that part of me didn't
want to, because a quick Ixquick search, or Google I suppose, would give me
the little bit of instruction I'd need to get insert-situation-here done.

In the last week I had two issues come up. First, I somehow hosed my
X Windows on my primary desktop, a Debian box, and apparently didn't have
the correcert User & root PASSWORDs I had set up just a few
minutes previously on a new Ubuntu installation on my laptop.

Both cases I would have been up a creek without a paddle, but both cases
netrik was able to help me easily search for the info I needed to fix my
problem withouth having to boot into X. Highly recommend it!

P.S. Thanks for putting up with the voiceOnTheGo spam the other day. Testing
new services, and sometimes, let me tell you, sometimes default SETTINGS
suck!

**
--
Jim Fulner
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*and whenever possible Free Beer
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From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Wed Jul 21 17:13:54 2010
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:13:54 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Install netrik now, save your @$$ later
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilWTkCCVhgLBrhs7_kDfQd-KVELFFwshX20MASH@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilWTkCCVhgLBrhs7_kDfQd-KVELFFwshX20MASH@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinQsQwo1htcEJ5cm8EWEVrXiznnTAqfpt3CdHR-@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Robert Jim Fulner <fulner at gmail.com> wrote:
> With most every LinuxBox I've set up since then I've configured netrik, just
> for the heck of it. I though "I just might need this someday" not really
> thinking why.

I've installed ELinks on some systems but most of the time I have
several other systems available so I rarely need it.


From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Thu Jul 22 08:10:33 2010
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:10:33 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Install netrik now, save your @$$ later
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilWTkCCVhgLBrhs7_kDfQd-KVELFFwshX20MASH@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilWTkCCVhgLBrhs7_kDfQd-KVELFFwshX20MASH@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03705240C5C@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Jim Fulner

> Both cases I would have been up a creek without a paddle, but both
cases
> netrik was able to help me easily search for the info I needed to fix
my
> problem withouth having to boot into X. Highly recommend it!

 I like w3m for the same purposes; seems to format things a little
better. But either way, a text-only browser is a very useful thing!

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                              (313) 227-2317

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         force adults to act like them." - Irvu

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From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Thu Jul 22 09:52:07 2010
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 09:52:07 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Install netrik now, save your @$$ later
In-Reply-To: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03705240C5C@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <AANLkTilWTkCCVhgLBrhs7_kDfQd-KVELFFwshX20MASH@mail.gmail.com>
	<319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03705240C5C@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <9FB6372000B099469B46478B643EE469022EF8DEF0@EXCCRVS1.mi.corp.rockfin.com>

I too make sure that elinks is part of my standard install on servers.

Ironically, I find myself running "telnet <webserver ip> 80" and manually issuing GET commands all too frequently. :/  

telnet - the ULTIMATE text-based web browser!

-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Ingles, Raymond
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:11 AM
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Install netrik now, save your @$$ later

> From: Jim Fulner

> Both cases I would have been up a creek without a paddle, but both
cases
> netrik was able to help me easily search for the info I needed to fix
my
> problem withouth having to boot into X. Highly recommend it!

 I like w3m for the same purposes; seems to format things a little
better. But either way, a text-only browser is a very useful thing!

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                              (313) 227-2317

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From akulkis00 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 22 10:04:21 2010
From: akulkis00 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:04:21 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Install netrik now, save your @$$ later
In-Reply-To: <9FB6372000B099469B46478B643EE469022EF8DEF0@EXCCRVS1.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
References: <AANLkTilWTkCCVhgLBrhs7_kDfQd-KVELFFwshX20MASH@mail.gmail.com>	<319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03705240C5C@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<9FB6372000B099469B46478B643EE469022EF8DEF0@EXCCRVS1.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
Message-ID: <4C484FE5.2010205@gmail.com>

Wojtak, Greg wrote:
> I too make sure that elinks is part of my standard install on servers.
> 
> Ironically, I find myself running "telnet <webserver ip> 80" and manually issuing GET commands all too frequently. :/  
> 
> telnet - the ULTIMATE text-based web browser!
> 

or sendmail tool :-)
telnet somehost 25


From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Thu Jul 22 10:15:59 2010
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 10:15:59 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Install netrik now, save your @$$ later
In-Reply-To: <4C484FE5.2010205@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilWTkCCVhgLBrhs7_kDfQd-KVELFFwshX20MASH@mail.gmail.com>
	<319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03705240C5C@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<9FB6372000B099469B46478B643EE469022EF8DEF0@EXCCRVS1.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
	<4C484FE5.2010205@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9FB6372000B099469B46478B643EE469022EF8E003@EXCCRVS1.mi.corp.rockfin.com>

It's like a Swiss Army knife!

-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Kulkis
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:04 AM
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Install netrik now, save your @$$ later

Wojtak, Greg wrote:
> I too make sure that elinks is part of my standard install on servers.
> 
> Ironically, I find myself running "telnet <webserver ip> 80" and manually issuing GET commands all too frequently. :/  
> 
> telnet - the ULTIMATE text-based web browser!
> 

or sendmail tool :-)
telnet somehost 25
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From tesral at wowway.com  Thu Jul 22 11:26:02 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:26:02 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [Stilyagi] Liquid Web Continues Hiring]
Message-ID: <4C48630A.6000107@wowway.com>


Again passed on without comment.

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From tony at bemushosting.com  Thu Jul 22 12:59:12 2010
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:59:12 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] meeting Topics?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimWVWWTaEv_18OP52F8rW7bLLT5IbK4NR6fGNov@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1278945730.29947.65.camel@bemus-remote>
	<AANLkTimWVWWTaEv_18OP52F8rW7bLLT5IbK4NR6fGNov@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1279817952.11611.3.camel@bemus-remote>

Great Pat!   What would work for you September, November or December?

And I am volunteering to do a presentation on LAMP Server, Linux Apache
Mysql, and PHP server.

Any one appose to this?

Tony

On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 09:37 -0400, - wrote:
> I am in the process of writing up the presentation for VirtualBox.
> 
> Pat
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:
> 
> > During the last meeting we asked for some topics that people were
> > interested in either hearing about or presenting on.  Here is a list
> > that we came up with:
> >
> > Setting up a home web server (LAMP) - there was discussion but I think
> > Gary's question wasnt answered.
> >
> > Updates on Arduino - Can anyone talk to the i3detroit guys and see if
> > they are interested in coming and talking?
> >
> > Virtual machines: setup and uses -  Any want to present or head a talk?
> >
> > Setup a Secure SMTP server with SSL - Robin will Talk about it in
> > October.
> >
> > Any other suggestion.  or more needed is people presenting?.?...
> >
> > Tony Bemus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > mdlug mailing list
> > mdlug at mdlug.org
> > http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> >
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug




From radkins at impelind.com  Thu Jul 22 15:58:47 2010
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins II)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:58:47 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] KDE 4
In-Reply-To: <603058.54323.qm@web37901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4C293CA4.1000608@twmi.rr.com><AANLkTilSFTSJT_6oX5lDjlhU60PXCDspSG1Rl1YqaNRP@mail.gmail.com><4C296D1B.3060409@twmi.rr.com>
	<4C296DEF.8020004@gmail.com>
	<603058.54323.qm@web37901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A32E5B6F182E409DAFBCC6173B9BA433@Delta7>


> 
> I use KDE. I hope that the team keeps in mind that people are 
> on windows because they have it seems, no other choice.
> 
> And with the flop of vista I'm surprized that we did not get 
> more migration to Linux KDE or Gnome.
> 
> David C. Lane 
> 
> 

  That's because people stuck with Windows XP until Windows 7 came out.

  There was every reason to stay away from Windows Vista and now almost
every reason to update to Windows 7.

  Beyond that, the still primary majority of computer users just head out to
Best Buy and similar shops that sell computers and walk out with that which
is on the shelf.

  There's few "mainstream" retailers that sell Linux machines.

	-Rob



From gib at juno.com  Fri Jul 23 08:15:57 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:15:57 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] meeting Topics?
Message-ID: <20100723.081557.8710.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>

This all sounds great.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Subject: Re: [mdlug] meeting Topics?
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:59:12 -0400

Great Pat!   What would work for you September, November or December?

And I am volunteering to do a presentation on LAMP Server, Linux Apache
Mysql, and PHP server.

Any one appose to this?

Tony

On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 09:37 -0400, - wrote:
> I am in the process of writing up the presentation for VirtualBox.
> 
> Pat
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:
> 
> > During the last meeting we asked for some topics that people were
> > interested in either hearing about or presenting on.  Here is a list
> > that we came up with:
> >
> > Setting up a home web server (LAMP) - there was discussion but I think
> > Gary's question wasnt answered.
> >
> > Updates on Arduino - Can anyone talk to the i3detroit guys and see if
> > they are interested in coming and talking?
> >
> > Virtual machines: setup and uses -  Any want to present or head a talk?
> >
> > Setup a Secure SMTP server with SSL - Robin will Talk about it in
> > October.
> >
> > Any other suggestion.  or more needed is people presenting?.?...
> >
> > Tony Bemus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > mdlug mailing list
> > mdlug at mdlug.org
> > http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> >
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


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From otakurider at gmail.com  Fri Jul 23 19:23:04 2010
From: otakurider at gmail.com (-)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:23:04 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] meeting Topics?
In-Reply-To: <20100723.081557.8710.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20100723.081557.8710.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinNP1Cd=GpUQyh03sL6h2CfdiQ6VMvkvRoOezO7@mail.gmail.com>

I am pushing for September..After school starts my not be able to for a
while.



Pat.




On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 8:15 AM, gib at juno.com <gib at juno.com> wrote:

> This all sounds great.
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] meeting Topics?
> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:59:12 -0400
>
> Great Pat!   What would work for you September, November or December?
>
> And I am volunteering to do a presentation on LAMP Server, Linux Apache
> Mysql, and PHP server.
>
> Any one appose to this?
>
> Tony
>
> On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 09:37 -0400, - wrote:
> > I am in the process of writing up the presentation for VirtualBox.
> >
> > Pat
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > During the last meeting we asked for some topics that people were
> > > interested in either hearing about or presenting on.  Here is a list
> > > that we came up with:
> > >
> > > Setting up a home web server (LAMP) - there was discussion but I think
> > > Gary's question wasnt answered.
> > >
> > > Updates on Arduino - Can anyone talk to the i3detroit guys and see if
> > > they are interested in coming and talking?
> > >
> > > Virtual machines: setup and uses -  Any want to present or head a talk?
> > >
> > > Setup a Secure SMTP server with SSL - Robin will Talk about it in
> > > October.
> > >
> > > Any other suggestion.  or more needed is people presenting?.?...
> > >
> > > Tony Bemus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > mdlug mailing list
> > > mdlug at mdlug.org
> > > http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > mdlug mailing list
> > mdlug at mdlug.org
> > http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
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From otakurider at gmail.com  Fri Jul 23 19:23:54 2010
From: otakurider at gmail.com (-)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:23:54 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] meeting Topics?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinNP1Cd=GpUQyh03sL6h2CfdiQ6VMvkvRoOezO7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100723.081557.8710.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
	<AANLkTinNP1Cd=GpUQyh03sL6h2CfdiQ6VMvkvRoOezO7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikfrk_ZHvLtd2MGSjuV7rTWBm-N=QXmBO6374dj@mail.gmail.com>

that was " may" not my



On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:23 PM, - <otakurider at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am pushing for September..After school starts my not be able to for a
> while.
>
>
>
> Pat.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 8:15 AM, gib at juno.com <gib at juno.com> wrote:
>
>> This all sounds great.
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
>> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
>> Subject: Re: [mdlug] meeting Topics?
>> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:59:12 -0400
>>
>> Great Pat!   What would work for you September, November or December?
>>
>> And I am volunteering to do a presentation on LAMP Server, Linux Apache
>> Mysql, and PHP server.
>>
>> Any one appose to this?
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 09:37 -0400, - wrote:
>> > I am in the process of writing up the presentation for VirtualBox.
>> >
>> > Pat
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > During the last meeting we asked for some topics that people were
>> > > interested in either hearing about or presenting on.  Here is a list
>> > > that we came up with:
>> > >
>> > > Setting up a home web server (LAMP) - there was discussion but I think
>> > > Gary's question wasnt answered.
>> > >
>> > > Updates on Arduino - Can anyone talk to the i3detroit guys and see if
>> > > they are interested in coming and talking?
>> > >
>> > > Virtual machines: setup and uses -  Any want to present or head a
>> talk?
>> > >
>> > > Setup a Secure SMTP server with SSL - Robin will Talk about it in
>> > > October.
>> > >
>> > > Any other suggestion.  or more needed is people presenting?.?...
>> > >
>> > > Tony Bemus
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > mdlug mailing list
>> > > mdlug at mdlug.org
>> > > http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>> > >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > mdlug mailing list
>> > mdlug at mdlug.org
>> > http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> mdlug mailing list
>> mdlug at mdlug.org
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>> FIRE SALE: iPads for $23.74?
>> SPECIAL REPORT: iPads are being auctioned for an incredible 85% off!
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4c49883ed3fda2267bst05vuc
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>
>


From petertheplumber at att.net  Sun Jul 25 11:24:27 2010
From: petertheplumber at att.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 11:24:27 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] What Distro f/Asus T91MT Touchscreen w/GMA500 Chip
 Decision
In-Reply-To: <20100628164833.60fef7f3@Nokia-N800-43-7>
References: <20100628164833.60fef7f3@Nokia-N800-43-7>
Message-ID: <1280071467.4686.31.camel@plumber-notebook.site>

On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 16:48 -0400, Peter Bart wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>     Has anyone gotten single touch touch screen working on an Asus
> T91(MT)? I've been trying to get UNR  9.10 working to my satisfaction
> on one with a GMA500 chip and I get close but no cigar. I got the
> touchscreen working but then found out I can't suspend with a mounted
> sd card, and that's where I had /swap. I reinstalled putting /swap on
> the ssd  but now wireless won't wake up from suspend even with the
> backport modules. I'm okay with the low resolution  for now, but not
> with the slow as mollasses UNR menu. I've seen tantalizing references
> to Mandriva coming with support for the GMA500, but not evtouch. Could
> be all I have to do is install it from from the repo's? Of course
> there's openSUSE to consider, but I haven't looked real hard.  I'm
> ready to trade the finger friendly UNR menu for anything that works. I
> can allways supersize the toolbar. Or do I simply need to pull on my
> tinfoil hat tighter? Anyone care to comment?

	I've decided on UNR 10.4. There has been a lot of work on this distro
specific to the T91MT listed here
<http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ubuntu_9.10_on_the_t91_t91mt#touchscreen_t91mt_10.04>. I've got the install done with some of the modifications. I've got a working computer, with touchscreen and onscreen keyboard. It's very nice. I'm not able to resume though. I can suspend and upon resume I'm dumped out to the login screen. When I log in my open applications are gone. I'm trying to figure out how to troubleshoot that.
-- 
Best Regards,

Peter The Plumber



From tony at bemushosting.com  Thu Jul 29 10:19:04 2010
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:19:04 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New Website Final Testing
Message-ID: <1280413144.26773.8.camel@bemus-remote>

We are entering the Final Testing phase for the new website.
http://www.mdlug.org/testing/    Please check it out and let me know if
you find any miss-spellings or dead links.

Tony Bemus
Webmaster
http://www.mdlug.org/testing/




From unforgiven24 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 29 10:24:58 2010
From: unforgiven24 at gmail.com (Mike Ward)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:24:58 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New Website Final Testing
In-Reply-To: <1280413144.26773.8.camel@bemus-remote>
References: <1280413144.26773.8.camel@bemus-remote>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik6qMs9k6wvuC5iv8QhL9P7-qiHdk4X4QrN5J7u@mail.gmail.com>

Looks nice, I like it. I skimmed through and didn't see anything glaringly off.


On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com> wrote:
> We are entering the Final Testing phase for the new website.
> http://www.mdlug.org/testing/ ? ?Please check it out and let me know if
> you find any miss-spellings or dead links.
>
> Tony Bemus
> Webmaster
> http://www.mdlug.org/testing/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>


From rkannan at peoplepc.com  Thu Jul 29 11:27:18 2010
From: rkannan at peoplepc.com (R. Kannan)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:27:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] New Website Final Testing
Message-ID: <11498922.1280417238759.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Very professional looking website. Good job.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
>Sent: Jul 29, 2010 10:19 AM
>To: mdlug at mdlug.org
>Subject: [mdlug] New Website Final Testing
>
>We are entering the Final Testing phase for the new website.
>http://www.mdlug.org/testing/    Please check it out and let me know if
>you find any miss-spellings or dead links.
>
>Tony Bemus
>Webmaster
>http://www.mdlug.org/testing/
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>mdlug mailing list
>mdlug at mdlug.org
>http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


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From unforgiven24 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 29 12:29:28 2010
From: unforgiven24 at gmail.com (Mike Ward)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:29:28 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New Website Final Testing
In-Reply-To: <11498922.1280417238759.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <11498922.1280417238759.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinzA+qjTDeEzjz6coV=rFTwsVKb1QehxQz3_JaX@mail.gmail.com>

I noticed the "Quick Look" part to the left, too - nice touch.
Generally when I look at a group's website, one of the first things I
look for is when/where they meet.

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:27 AM, R. Kannan <rkannan at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
> Very professional looking website. Good job.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Tony Bemus <tony at bemushosting.com>
>>Sent: Jul 29, 2010 10:19 AM
>>To: mdlug at mdlug.org
>>Subject: [mdlug] New Website Final Testing
>>
>>We are entering the Final Testing phase for the new website.
>>http://www.mdlug.org/testing/ ? ?Please check it out and let me know if
>>you find any miss-spellings or dead links.
>>
>>Tony Bemus
>>Webmaster
>>http://www.mdlug.org/testing/
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>mdlug mailing list
>>mdlug at mdlug.org
>>http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>
>
> ________________________________________
> PeoplePC Online
> A better way to Internet
> http://www.peoplepc.com
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>


From micorral at comcast.net  Thu Jul 29 14:42:55 2010
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:42:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] New Website Final Testing
In-Reply-To: <1280413144.26773.8.camel@bemus-remote>
References: <1280413144.26773.8.camel@bemus-remote>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1007291430320.4443@banana.sluggo.net>

2010-07-29, Monsieur Tony Bemus a ecrit:
> We are entering the Final Testing phase for the new website.
> http://www.mdlug.org/testing/    Please check it out and let me know if
> you find any miss-spellings or dead links.

1. In the "Monthly Meetings" paragraph, change
      "Gaudior Academy is Located at"
    to
      "Gaudior Academy is located at"
    and put a period after the zipcode 48141.

2. In the "FREEDOM, COMMUNITY, SUPPORT" heading with the green background,
    the paragraph below it has some weird formatting, with a single "the"
    on a line by itself (the second line). Also, the "More details" link
    is cut off about midway. See here for how it looks in Firefox 3.6.7
    on my machine: http://i.imgur.com/SJ4yY.png

3. The "Next meeting" paragraph has some missing periods at the end
    of two sentences.

4. On the http://www.mdlug.org/testing/maillist.html page, change
      "Once subscribeed you will have apassword"
    to
      "Once subscribed, you will have a password"

There may be more, but that's all I saw right away. Otherwise, good job.

Michael


From tony at bemushosting.com  Thu Jul 29 15:28:02 2010
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:28:02 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New Website Final Testing
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1007291430320.4443@banana.sluggo.net>
References: <1280413144.26773.8.camel@bemus-remote>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1007291430320.4443@banana.sluggo.net>
Message-ID: <1280431682.2004.3.camel@bemus-remote>

I appriciate the help.  As for the formating for the home page,  what
resolution is your computer and or firefox at?  I believe it isn't
affected by the bowser or OS, because I tested in may version, but I
believe it is related to the resolution or width of page.

Tony Bemus
Webmaster

On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 14:42 -0400, Michael Corral wrote:
> 2010-07-29, Monsieur Tony Bemus a ecrit:
> > We are entering the Final Testing phase for the new website.
> > http://www.mdlug.org/testing/    Please check it out and let me know if
> > you find any miss-spellings or dead links.
> 
> 1. In the "Monthly Meetings" paragraph, change
>       "Gaudior Academy is Located at"
>     to
>       "Gaudior Academy is located at"
>     and put a period after the zipcode 48141.
> 
> 2. In the "FREEDOM, COMMUNITY, SUPPORT" heading with the green background,
>     the paragraph below it has some weird formatting, with a single "the"
>     on a line by itself (the second line). Also, the "More details" link
>     is cut off about midway. See here for how it looks in Firefox 3.6.7
>     on my machine: http://i.imgur.com/SJ4yY.png
> 
> 3. The "Next meeting" paragraph has some missing periods at the end
>     of two sentences.
> 
> 4. On the http://www.mdlug.org/testing/maillist.html page, change
>       "Once subscribeed you will have apassword"
>     to
>       "Once subscribed, you will have a password"
> 
> There may be more, but that's all I saw right away. Otherwise, good job.
> 
> Michael
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug




From tesral at wowway.com  Thu Jul 29 15:43:48 2010
From: tesral at wowway.com (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:43:48 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New Website Final Testing
In-Reply-To: <1280431682.2004.3.camel@bemus-remote>
References: <1280413144.26773.8.camel@bemus-remote>	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1007291430320.4443@banana.sluggo.net>
	<1280431682.2004.3.camel@bemus-remote>
Message-ID: <4C51D9F4.3030607@wowway.com>

Tony Bemus wrote:
> I appriciate the help.  As for the formating for the home page,  what
> resolution is your computer and or firefox at?  I believe it isn't
> affected by the bowser or OS, because I tested in may version, but I
> believe it is related to the resolution or width of page.
>   
That is a negative.  The width of the page does not resize.  I resized
my window from 1920 to 600 and got the same results.   A failure to resize.


-- 
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Those persons, or societies, easily offended need to be offended until they get over it.
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
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From micorral at comcast.net  Thu Jul 29 15:51:09 2010
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:51:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] New Website Final Testing
In-Reply-To: <1280431682.2004.3.camel@bemus-remote>
References: <1280413144.26773.8.camel@bemus-remote>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1007291430320.4443@banana.sluggo.net>
	<1280431682.2004.3.camel@bemus-remote>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1007291548040.1867@banana.sluggo.net>

2010-07-29, Monsieur Tony Bemus a ecrit:
> I appriciate the help.  As for the formating for the home page,  what
> resolution is your computer and or firefox at?  I believe it isn't
> affected by the bowser or OS, because I tested in may version, but I
> believe it is related to the resolution or width of page.

My desktop resoultion is 1920x1080 at 96dpi. For Firefox, it doesn't
matter what window size I use, the formatting of that green section
is always off, even when the window is maximized.

Michael


From tony at bemushosting.com  Thu Jul 29 16:18:28 2010
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:18:28 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New Website Final Testing
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1007291548040.1867@banana.sluggo.net>
References: <1280413144.26773.8.camel@bemus-remote>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1007291430320.4443@banana.sluggo.net>
	<1280431682.2004.3.camel@bemus-remote>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1007291548040.1867@banana.sluggo.net>
Message-ID: <1280434708.2004.7.camel@bemus-remote>

Ok,  Could it be related to the size of the text.  I was able to
recreate something similar to what you are seeing if I enlarge the text
by just two sizes (Ctrl and +).  I will need to look into the CSS code
to check on how it is sizing.

Thank you for the help!!

Tony


On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 15:51 -0400, Michael Corral wrote:
> 2010-07-29, Monsieur Tony Bemus a ecrit:
> > I appriciate the help.  As for the formating for the home page,  what
> > resolution is your computer and or firefox at?  I believe it isn't
> > affected by the bowser or OS, because I tested in may version, but I
> > believe it is related to the resolution or width of page.
> 
> My desktop resoultion is 1920x1080 at 96dpi. For Firefox, it doesn't
> matter what window size I use, the formatting of that green section
> is always off, even when the window is maximized.
> 
> Michael
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug




From tony at bemushosting.com  Thu Jul 29 16:57:16 2010
From: tony at bemushosting.com (Tony Bemus)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:57:16 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New Website Final Testing
In-Reply-To: <1280434708.2004.7.camel@bemus-remote>
References: <1280413144.26773.8.camel@bemus-remote>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1007291430320.4443@banana.sluggo.net>
	<1280431682.2004.3.camel@bemus-remote>
	<alpine.LFD.2.00.1007291548040.1867@banana.sluggo.net>
	<1280434708.2004.7.camel@bemus-remote>
Message-ID: <1280437036.2004.8.camel@bemus-remote>

Ok,  Ive made some changes,  Let me know if it helps.

Tony


On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 16:18 -0400, Tony Bemus wrote:
> Ok,  Could it be related to the size of the text.  I was able to
> recreate something similar to what you are seeing if I enlarge the text
> by just two sizes (Ctrl and +).  I will need to look into the CSS code
> to check on how it is sizing.
> 
> Thank you for the help!!
> 
> Tony
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 15:51 -0400, Michael Corral wrote:
> > 2010-07-29, Monsieur Tony Bemus a ecrit:
> > > I appriciate the help.  As for the formating for the home page,  what
> > > resolution is your computer and or firefox at?  I believe it isn't
> > > affected by the bowser or OS, because I tested in may version, but I
> > > believe it is related to the resolution or width of page.
> > 
> > My desktop resoultion is 1920x1080 at 96dpi. For Firefox, it doesn't
> > matter what window size I use, the formatting of that green section
> > is always off, even when the window is maximized.
> > 
> > Michael
> > _______________________________________________
> > mdlug mailing list
> > mdlug at mdlug.org
> > http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug




From gib at juno.com  Sat Jul 31 21:30:08 2010
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 01:30:08 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Cheap Netbook
Message-ID: <20100731.213008.9953.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>

Here is an auction for the cheap netbook I mentioned in the last meeting:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230505840480


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