From rkannan at peoplepc.com  Thu May  1 09:42:46 2008
From: rkannan at peoplepc.com (R. Kannan)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 09:42:46 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [mdlug] Boot floppy in knoppix
Message-ID: <18448936.1209649366353.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hello,

I have a very old system which does not boot on cdrom (No jokes please :-)) and whose hard drives I want to clean up before discarding (recycling). 

I tried to create knoppix boot floppies using the instructions at

http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Boot_Floppy_HowTo

on another machine which boots from CD. When I tried to boot the same machine with a boot floopy,it prompted me for the second floppy with...

"Insert floppy with miniroot and press ENTER"

and when I inserted the second floppy and pressed 'ENTER', it failed with

Error 15: file not found

I should mention that the 'grub-install' did not find all my devices and so I added the following line to device.map in the floppy manually.

(cd)<TAB>/dev/scd0

I am not sure about the syntax of the device name here. Should that be /dev/hdc instead?

TIA for any help

RajK


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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Thu May  1 10:00:14 2008
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:00:14 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Boot floppy in knoppix
In-Reply-To: <18448936.1209649366353.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E037165557@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: R. Kannan

> I have a very old system which does not boot on cdrom (No 
> jokes please :-)) and whose hard drives I want to clean up 
> before discarding (recycling). 

 On the Ubuntu CD is "Smart Boot Manager", a boot floppy that can then boot
from a CD-ROM, at least on one system I had that wouldn't boot properly from
a CD-ROM.

 http://sourceforge.net/projects/btmgr/

 There's also Darik's Boot And Nuke:

 http://dban.sourceforge.net/

 A boot floppy that just starts up and wipes all the hard drives on the system.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                     (313) 227-2317

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 the people, by the people, and for the people". - Jon Sculley
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From robert.citek at gmail.com  Thu May  1 10:05:09 2008
From: robert.citek at gmail.com (Robert Citek)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 09:05:09 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Boot floppy in knoppix
In-Reply-To: <18448936.1209649366353.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <18448936.1209649366353.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4145b6790805010705q4d808c03je6ea367f373ef41f@mail.gmail.com>

Some alternative solutions:

1) dban - see section 2.3 of the readme.txt file for how to put the
image on a floppy under Linux.  Wiping old drives on old systems will
take a long time, i.e. possibly hours.

  http://dban.sourceforge.net/

2) if you are a little less patient but curious, remove the drives and
disassemble them.  You'll get some really cool magnets and some shiny
patters for use in art work.

3) if you are not patient and could care less about art, remove the
drives and drive a nail through each of them.  Although, I guess some
people might consider that art.  :)

Regards,
- Robert

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 8:42 AM, R. Kannan <rkannan at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>  I have a very old system which does not boot on cdrom (No jokes please :-)) and whose hard drives I want to clean up before discarding (recycling).


From peter at petertheplumber.net  Thu May  1 10:11:19 2008
From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:11:19 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Boot floppy in knoppix
In-Reply-To: <18448936.1209649366353.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <18448936.1209649366353.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20080501101119.0286be22@Nokia-N800-26>

On Thu, 1 May 2008 09:42:46 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
"R. Kannan" <rkannan at peoplepc.com> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I have a very old system which does not boot on cdrom (No jokes
> please :-)) and whose hard drives I want to clean up before
> discarding (recycling). 
> 

	I've used the DSL boot floppy successfully
<http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/Boot_Floppies>.

Best Regards,

-- 
Peter The Plumber sm on the Road


From peter at petertheplumber.net  Thu May  1 10:11:19 2008
From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:11:19 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Boot floppy in knoppix
In-Reply-To: <18448936.1209649366353.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <18448936.1209649366353.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20080501101119.0286be22@Nokia-N800-26>

On Thu, 1 May 2008 09:42:46 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
"R. Kannan" <rkannan at peoplepc.com> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I have a very old system which does not boot on cdrom (No jokes
> please :-)) and whose hard drives I want to clean up before
> discarding (recycling). 
> 

	I've used the DSL boot floppy successfully
<http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/Boot_Floppies>.

Best Regards,

-- 
Peter The Plumber sm on the Road


From tcameron at redhat.com  Thu May  1 14:41:31 2008
From: tcameron at redhat.com (Thomas Cameron (Red Hat))
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 13:41:31 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Red Hat Summit
Message-ID: <481A0EDB.1020705@redhat.com>

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Hey All -

Red Hat Summit is only about 6 weeks away, still time to register.

I'll be co-presenting with another Red Hatter, Lon Hohberger, on high
availability/application clustering with Red Hat Advanced Platform
(formerly a feature of Red Hat Cluster Suite).

Agenda is at http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/2008/agenda/schedule.html

Sign up at http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/2008/ - early bird pricing
through May 24th.

Cheers,
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From rkannan at peoplepc.com  Thu May  1 21:42:44 2008
From: rkannan at peoplepc.com (R. Kannan)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 21:42:44 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [mdlug] Boot floppy in knoppix
Message-ID: <5558376.1209692564414.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Thanks to all who suggested Darik's Boot And Nuke.

It worked perfectly.

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Ingles, Raymond" <Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com>
>Sent: May 1, 2008 10:00 AM
>To: "R. Kannan" <rkannan at peoplepc.com>, MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
>Subject: RE: [mdlug] Boot floppy in knoppix
>
>> From: R. Kannan
>
>> I have a very old system which does not boot on cdrom (No 
>> jokes please :-)) and whose hard drives I want to clean up 
>> before discarding (recycling). 
>
> On the Ubuntu CD is "Smart Boot Manager", a boot floppy that can then boot
>from a CD-ROM, at least on one system I had that wouldn't boot properly from
>a CD-ROM.
>
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/btmgr/
>
> There's also Darik's Boot And Nuke:
>
> http://dban.sourceforge.net/
>
> A boot floppy that just starts up and wipes all the hard drives on the system.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ray Ingles                                     (313) 227-2317
>
> Linux is as much about being Communist, as is the phrase, "of
> the people, by the people, and for the people". - Jon Sculley
>The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it.


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From akulkis03 at gmail.com  Fri May  2 10:49:24 2008
From: akulkis03 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 10:49:24 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [opensuse-offtopic] HP Breakthrough Could Spawn
 Computers That Don't Forget]
Message-ID: <481B29F4.9020108@gmail.com>

HP Breakthrough Could Spawn Computers That Don't Forget

Katherine Noyes
05/01/08 10:49 AM PT

HP has added a fourth circuit element to the known lineup. Previously, 
there were three: the resistor, the capacitor and the inductor. Until 
now, the fourth, known as the "memristor," had merely been a theory, 
albeit one going back to the 1970s. HP scientists didn't stop at 
mathematical proof of the memristor's existence, though -- they produced 
a physical model. The technology could be used to make computers' 
working memory more efficient, and also enable it to store data when 
powered down.

http://www.technewsworld.com/edpick/62834.html

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From akulkis03 at gmail.com  Fri May  2 11:00:28 2008
From: akulkis03 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 11:00:28 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: Re: [opensuse-offtopic] Trial with KUbuntu 8.04.]
Message-ID: <481B2C8C.3050106@gmail.com>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [opensuse-offtopic] Trial with KUbuntu 8.04.
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 21:34:03 +0200
From: Clayton <smaug42 at gmail.com>
To: opensuse-offtopic <opensuse-offtopic at opensuse.org>
References: <481858E9.7030503 at lightlink.com>	 
<60fb01490804301118t2a5edecev3c0773f3e993d8db at mail.gmail.com>	 
<48199181.6020204 at lightlink.com>

Just a little more on this Ubuntu vs SUSE testing that a few of us are 
doing...

I have a second PC that is my dedicated media center... it is an Asus
P2... specifically, this one:
http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1797&l1=1&l2=3&l3=483&l4=0
I dropped in 1GB of ram, an AMD Semperon64 1100LW (1.9GHz) CPU, and a
320GB SATA drive.  On that hardware I installed Mythbuntu 8.04 (64 bit
version).  Install time was about 20 minutes from initial boot to
being up and running.  The install was very easy and quick.  But..
that is when the problem started.  After the usual initial application
update via Synaptic, the restricted hardware driver thing popped up
and offered to install the ATI video driver.  I clicked through, and
then it asked to reboot.. did so... no video on restart.  The auto
installer set the default resolution out of range for the LCD TV that
is attached to the PC.  Got around that, and the GUI was back up and
running again.

Set up my USB DVB-T tuner and the network mount to my recorded
media... all ok so far.. indexed the media, tested the TV... the video
was unwatchable.. constant video stuttering.  I checked CPU load, and
the Mythfrontend was pegging the CPU at 100%.  After several hours of
settings tinkering I got it down to 80% on average and it was mostly
watchable.... for a while... after 10 minutes or so, it started
stuttering again, and the only way to return to watchable video was to
restart the LiveTV module.  Audio was even a huge pain with the volume
constantly resetting to zero (I had to use alsamixer to reset the
Master and PCM volumes every hour or so)

I finally got tired of this thing not working right, so decided to try
the 32 bit install of Mythbuntu... again about 20 minutes from initial
boot to fully installed and configured system (including API video
drivers)... but the video in LiveTV was so bad it was like watching a
slow slide show.  No amount of tinkering could make the video level
out and be watchable.  CPU stayed pegged at 100% the whole time.

Dumped it all and installed openSUSE10.3 (KDE 1cd install).  The
install took a couple of hours... as usual.  Nothing new there.
Installed Smart, updated everything, stripped out the bits I don't
need, and installed MythTV, MySQL, MPlayer, the w32codecs and a few
other things... configured MythTV and started up LiveTV... perfect.
Checked CPU use... 15 to 20% on average with default settings.  i
tinkered a little, set the video resolution up to 1024x768 (this is an
LCD TV) and the transcoding resolution to high quality... started up
LiveTV again... 30% CPU and perfectly smooth video.

openSUSE as a MythTV center was a LOT harder to set up in comparison.
It took a considerably higher Linux skill and knowledge to get up and
running (starting/stopping services, MySQL knowledge to load initial
database, knowing how to use SAX2 to set up video, knowing what
supporting apps to install for MythTV etc etc)... especially when
compared to the Mythbuntu "here is everything you need and everything
is done for you" approach.  But. in the end, the openSUSE MythTV
install is the one that works properly.

C.
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [opensuse-offtopic] Trial with KUbuntu 8.04.
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 04:23:07 -0400
From: Fred A. Miller <fmiller at lightlink.com>
Reply-To: fmiller at lightlink.com
To: opensuse-offtopic <opensuse-offtopic at opensuse.org>
References: <481858E9.7030503 at lightlink.com>	 
<60fb01490804301118t2a5edecev3c0773f3e993d8db at mail.gmail.com>	 
<48199181.6020204 at lightlink.com> 
<e29967880805011234s4447b560j4a0ce9f52151b59d at mail.gmail.com>

Clayton wrote:
 > Just a little more on this Ubuntu vs SUSE testing that a few of us 
are doing...
 >
 > I have a second PC that is my dedicated media center... it is an Asus
 > P2... specifically, this one:

[snip]

Interesting. I wanted to add that I and others have noted that there's
no firewall that stars up in the Ubuntu/KUbuntu installs, and further,
you must add software to setup a firewall, which a newbie ISN'T going to
be able to do easily!

As an aside, openSUSE needs to have Yast setup a firewall to STAY
active, not drop out ever time you change to a different access point or
device.

Fred

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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [opensuse-offtopic] Trial with KUbuntu 8.04.
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:43:09 +0200
From: Clayton <smaug42 at gmail.com>
To: opensuse-offtopic <opensuse-offtopic at opensuse.org>
References: <481858E9.7030503 at lightlink.com>	 
<60fb01490804301118t2a5edecev3c0773f3e993d8db at mail.gmail.com>	 
<48199181.6020204 at lightlink.com>	 
<e29967880805011234s4447b560j4a0ce9f52151b59d at mail.gmail.com>	 
<481ACF6B.9010908 at lightlink.com>

 >  Interesting. I wanted to add that I and others have noted that 
there's no
 > firewall that stars up in the Ubuntu/KUbuntu installs, and further, 
you must
 > add software to setup a firewall, which a newbie ISN'T going to be 
able to
 > do easily!

Yup.  The recommended way (from what I read) for Ubuntu is usually to
go with Firestarter... but if you don't know it's not there, and that
you need to add it from the repositories... well it seems like a
*major* oversight to me.  The firewall should be on by default - it
could be as simple as including Firestarter as part of the default
desktop (Firestarter being pretty easy to use for a new Linux user).
I really appreciate that openSUSE includes a firewall that is on by
default.


C.


From jjn at nuge.com  Fri May  2 17:52:36 2008
From: jjn at nuge.com (Jay Nugent)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 17:52:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] *** MDLUG.ORG ON GENERATOR ***
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805021749120.6323-100000@home.nuge.com>

Greetings all,
   We had a brownout here around 15:45.  L1 and L2 voltages are both at 85
to 90 vac.  I am now on generator and have enough fuel onsight for at
least 8 hours and probably closer to 12 hours.  Plus a smaller "backup"  
backup generator with about 2 additional hours of fuel.

   DTE Energy has been informed of the brownout.

   We wait and see...

      --- Jay 
             
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said:    "Would you like fries with that emergency communication?"
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From jjn at nuge.com  Fri May  2 19:00:00 2008
From: jjn at nuge.com (Jay Nugent)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 19:00:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] *** MDLUG.ORG ON GENERATOR ***
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805021749120.6323-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805021854540.8194-100000@home.nuge.com>

Greetings,
   DTE Emergy reported that they had a failed transformer and it needed to
be replaced.  They gave an ETR of 20:30 this evening.

   However, as of 18:50 the line voltages were back to normal and I have 
swtiched back to coomercial mains and shut down the generator.  We will 
keep the umbilical cable in place tonight just in case...

   www.mdlug.org continues to serve up webpages and spew email without
interruption :)

      --- Jay Nugent


On Fri, 2 May 2008, Jay Nugent wrote:

> Greetings all,
>    We had a brownout here around 15:45.  L1 and L2 voltages are both at 85
> to 90 vac.  I am now on generator and have enough fuel onsight for at
> least 8 hours and probably closer to 12 hours.  Plus a smaller "backup"  
> backup generator with about 2 additional hours of fuel.
> 
>    DTE Energy has been informed of the brownout.
> 
>    We wait and see...
> 
>       --- Jay 




From driveray at ameritech.net  Sat May  3 06:52:08 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 06:52:08 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] *** MDLUG.ORG ON GENERATOR ***
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805021854540.8194-100000@home.nuge.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805021854540.8194-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <481C43D8.5010301@ameritech.net>

Good job Jay. Thanks.

Raymond McLaughlin

Jay Nugent wrote:
> Greetings,
>    DTE Emergy reported that they had a failed transformer and it needed to
> be replaced.  They gave an ETR of 20:30 this evening.
> 
>    However, as of 18:50 the line voltages were back to normal and I have 
> swtiched back to coomercial mains and shut down the generator.  We will 
> keep the umbilical cable in place tonight just in case...
> 
>    www.mdlug.org continues to serve up webpages and spew email without
> interruption :)
> 
>       --- Jay Nugent
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2 May 2008, Jay Nugent wrote:
> 
>> Greetings all,
>>    We had a brownout here around 15:45.  L1 and L2 voltages are both at 85
>> to 90 vac.  I am now on generator and have enough fuel onsight for at
>> least 8 hours and probably closer to 12 hours.  Plus a smaller "backup"  
>> backup generator with about 2 additional hours of fuel.
>>
>>    DTE Energy has been informed of the brownout.
>>
>>    We wait and see...
>>
>>       --- Jay 


From peter at petertheplumber.net  Sun May  4 10:03:12 2008
From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 10:03:12 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] External Hard Drive as Backup
In-Reply-To: <20080430094720.40f3bbe2@Nokia-N800-26>
References: <20080430094720.40f3bbe2@Nokia-N800-26>
Message-ID: <1209909792.20951.98.camel@peter-notebook.site>


On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 09:47 -0400, Peter Bart wrote:
> Hello All,
>     I've decided to at least get an inexpensive hard drive for around
> $150-$200 that holds at least 500gig to be used to sync two notebooks
> too. I almost bought an external  Buffalo drive with usb and firewire.
> Then I saw a review that claimed the drive itself was simply a
> repackaged Western Digital. I don't really want one of those. Am I down
> to buying a sata drive and an enclosure? Does firewire offer higher
> speeds than usb or can I open my options a little by dispensing with
> firewire? Should I consider paying a little more and getting a NAS with
> ethernet? 
>     Once I get one, how should I format it so I would be able to sync
> two notebooks with /root, /boot, /usr, /swap, /var, /tmp, /opt
> and /home partitions. Just two ext3 partitions, one for each notebook?
> Or must I replicate my partitioning scheme twice over on the 'backup'
> drive? It would also be nice to be able to boot directly from the
> 'backup' drive via usb or other, must I do something special for that to
> happen?

	Thanks for all the answers and suggestions. I've decided to go with two
320 GB external usb/firewire hard drives
<http://www.simpletech.com/parts/spuf35320.htm>. One for each notebook.
Then format them to my partitioning scheme, load openSUSE 10.3
<http://www.novell.com/communities/node/4536>, then use rsync to
transfer /home. Then use rsync to transfer everything else. From there,
use rsync to transfer /home on a weekly? schedule and the rest on a
monthly? schedule.  The thinking is that if something were to go wrong
with the OS and not get noticed right away it wouldn't necessarily
affect the backup. But /home would be a more recent copy. I am getting
firewire even though it's a security hole, actually both usb and
firewire. I'm using physical security to keep them safe. The rationale
would be once someone has physical access to any device you should
consider it compromised. Hopefully this will allow me to boot almost
immediately from a backup should the primary drive become corrupted,
without having to restore.

Best Regards,
-- 
Peter Bart <peter at petertheplumber.net>
http://petertheplumber.net



From driveray at ameritech.net  Sun May  4 11:15:55 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 11:15:55 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Presidents Mail Bag
Message-ID: <481DD32B.2050109@ameritech.net>

Any one want a job in Wisconsin?

---------------------------------------------------

Attn: Raymond McLaughlin
Can you post this position on your User Group web site ( Metro Detroit
Linux Users Group - MDLUG ) or forward this position to the members of
your organization.

I have a UNIX and LINUX System Administrator position with Kimberly
Clark in Neenah, Wisconsin.   If you have any additional questions regarding

this position, please feel free to call or email me.



Kimberly Clark, a global health and hygiene leader, and our trusted
brands are an indispensable part of life for 1.3 billion people in more
than 150 countries.

Kimberly Clark has been helping generations of families improve the
quality of their lives, to ensuring the health of our employees and the
environment.

We believe in recruiting the best people and putting them in the right
jobs so that they can do their best work. K-C?s IT organization is seeking a

UNIX and Linux Systems Engineer.

Summary:
K-C?s IT solution provides services to over 300 sites globally with
servers located throughout the world. K-C has about 100 UNIX and Linux
servers that run on HP hardware.

Responsibilities:
? Provide support for the architecture, standards, design,
infrastructure deployment, operational, and software support for K-C?s
UNIX and Linux environments.
? Provide support on other UNIX and Linux applications including Metro
Cluster and Linux high-performance clustering.
? Consult with IT engineers from other disciplines and effective work
across multiple organizational boundaries
? Coach and teach team members and K-C?s outsourced delivery partners

Basic Qualifications:
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From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Tue May  6 12:41:32 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:41:32 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Allband Communications Cooperative - are they nuts?
Message-ID: <b02c40e90805060941t6ea28a81iaf16257e10105364@mail.gmail.com>

(I'm cross-posting this to mug, mdlug, and lugwash as I'm sure there
are some telco members but I don't know who.)

I've recently received some info about this independent ILEC planning
to run fiber in a rural part of the L.P. that doesn't have even basic
telco service.  There is a reason there isn't any service.  This isn't
just rural, it's primitive.  It's boundary appears to include at least
part of some hunting property my family owns.  Most of the local area
is hunting/vacation property and much of it doesn't have electricity.
Regardless of the federal backing and educational tie-ins I can't see
how this is sustainable unless the target market is deer.  Their
predicted service rates (http://www.allband.org/services.shtml) seem
competitive to Verizon but when you look at the big picture it's near
fantasy.  The population density is so low it would be difficult to
justify WiMAX.

Here are some news articles:
http://zgli.fimc.net/Article.asp?id=212283&spid=8936
http://zgli.fimc.net/article.asp?id=313283

Their faq says they will provide solar panels for customers who don't
have electricity.  For $20 I'll take it if I can get it but I think
they're loony.  Has anyone heard of this project?


From treii28 at yahoo.com  Wed May  7 12:00:27 2008
From: treii28 at yahoo.com (Scott Webster Wood)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 09:00:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] xorg on ATI 9250 w/s-video
Message-ID: <770508.45969.qm@web38005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Does anyone have any experience with configuring s-video ports on ATI
graphics cards?  I've been trying to get mine working with no luck.  I
can't even seem to see it with atitvout:

# atitvout -r tvout
Forcing Radeon/Rage 128 mode
VBE call failed.
Maybe this command is not supported by your graphics adapter?
Did your parameters (if you specified some) really make sense?
Please try all other available commands before complaining!
#

Same
result without -r.  I've tried more configurations than I care to
remember - nothing even caused so much as a flicker on the s-video. 
The card is a pci based card and lspci shows it as follow:

00:09.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (rev 01)
00:09.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (Secondary) (rev 01)

Here's
the relevant stuff from my current config.  I've also tried the 'vesa'
driver on the second device (for the s-video) with no luck.  I've also
tried fglrx and tried detecting/controlling the s-video using fglrx's
accompanying aticonfig utility - nada! (I couldn't even get fglrx to bring up the main display - tried both the fedora version and the one from the ati website)

Any help would be appreciated.
---------------------------
Section "ServerLayout"
        Option      "Clone" "on"
        Identifier     "Multihead layout"
        Screen      0  "CRT" LeftOf "LCDTV"
        Screen      1  "LCDTV" 0 0
        InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
        Option      "Xinerama" "off"
EndSection

Section "Files"
        ModulePath   "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"
        Option      "DefaultServerLayout" "Multihead layout"
        Option      "AIGLX" "on"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
        Identifier   "CompaqP110"
        VendorName   "Compaq"
        ModelName    "P110 Color Monitor"
        HorizSync    30.0 - 107.0
        VertRefresh  48.0 - 160.0
        Option       "DPMS"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
        UseModes "HDTV"
        Identifier   "LCDTV"
        VendorName   "Syntax"
        ModelName    "Olevia LT23HVX"
        HorizSync    30.0 - 83.0
        VertRefresh  56.0 - 75.0
        Option       "DPMS"
        Option       "XVideoBlitterSyncToVBlank" "0"
        Option       "XVideoTextureSyncToVBlank" "0"
EndSection

Section "Device"
        Identifier  "ATI9200Pro"
         #Driver    "fglrx"
        Driver      "radeon"
        VendorName  "ATI"
        BoardName   "ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (Secondary)"
        Option      "OpenGLOverlay" "off"
        Option      "VideoOverlay" "on"
EndSection

Section "Device"
        Identifier  "ATI9200Pro2"
        #Driver    "vesa"
         #Driver    "fglrx"
        Driver      "radeon"
        VendorName  "ATI"
        BoardName   "ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (Secondary)"
        Option      "OpenGLOverlay" "off"
        Option      "VideoOverlay" "on"
        BusID       "PCI:0:9:1"
        Screen      1
EndSection

Section "Screen"
        Identifier "CRT"
        Device     "ATI9200Pro"
        Monitor    "CompaqP110"
        DefaultDepth     24
        SubSection "Display"
                Viewport   0 0
                Depth     24
 
              Modes    "1600x1200" "1600x1024" "1440x900" "1400x1050"
"1360x768" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1280x800" "1280x768" "1280x720"
"1152x864" "1152x768" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400"
"640x480" "640x400" "640x350"
        EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "Screen"
        Identifier "LCDTV"
        Device     "ATI9200Pro2"
        Monitor    "LCDTV"
        DefaultDepth     24
        SubSection "Display"
                Viewport   0 0
                Depth     24
                Modes    "1024x768" "848x480" "800x600" "720x576" "720x480" "640x480"
        EndSubSection
EndSection


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From tesral at comcast.net  Wed May  7 13:04:02 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 13:04:02 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Mount point
Message-ID: <4821E102.9010807@comcast.net>

What is the best mount point for a USB drive to be used on multiple
machines?  Permissions as well.  It needs to be accessible to all users.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From akulkis03 at gmail.com  Wed May  7 14:38:01 2008
From: akulkis03 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 14:38:01 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Mount point
In-Reply-To: <4821E102.9010807@comcast.net>
References: <4821E102.9010807@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4821F709.7080405@gmail.com>

Garry Stahl wrote:
> What is the best mount point for a USB drive to be used on multiple
> machines?  Permissions as well.  It needs to be accessible to all users.
> 

Normally, I give a USB drive a meaningful label (using fdisk or 
whatever), and then use use mount-by-label.

MOUNT POINTS:"start with 777 then manipulate permissions to taste
just like you would any other directory tree.

You might want to try mode 1777 (sticky bit on... everyone can read
and write to a directory, but nobody can remove any file or directory
which doesn't match their UID or GID.

Here are some examples of mount-by-label:
akulkis at kulkis:~> cat /etc/fstab

LABEL=10_3_64_ROOT  /   ext3    acl,user_xattr    1 1
LABEL=_BOOT   /boot     ext3    acl,user_xattr    1 2
LABEL=_HOME   /home     xfs     defaults          1 2
LABEL=_LOCAL  /local    xfs     defaults          1 2
LABEL=_TMP    /tmp      xfs     defaults          1 2
LABEL=_USR    /usr      xfs     defaults          1 2
LABEL=_VAR    /var      xfs     defaults          1 2

You can use labels for swapspace, too:

LABEL=SWAP     swap     swap    pri=00            0 0
LABEL=EMERSWAP swap     swap    defaults          0 0



From driveray at ameritech.net  Wed May  7 14:53:11 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 14:53:11 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Mount point
In-Reply-To: <4821E102.9010807@comcast.net>
References: <4821E102.9010807@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4821FA97.6010605@ameritech.net>

Garry Stahl wrote:
> What is the best mount point for a USB drive to be used on multiple
> machines?  Permissions as well.  It needs to be accessible to all users.
> 

Although "best" is always debatable most distros mount them somewhere
under /media. Assuming the USB drive is formated fat32, then it has a
MS-DOS volume label. SuSE, and many other distros will first look for
such a volume label when choosing a mount point.

There exist Linux tools for changing MS-DOS volume labels, but it really
easier and safer to do it in a windows machine. Explorer--><Right
click>Drive letter of USB Device-->Properties-->Type in new volume
label, like Garys_USB.

With the Volume Label set this way it will be mounted in the
unmistakable location /media/Garys_USB.

If by "It needs to be accessible to all users." you mean read-write
accessible, there are other issues. I see Aaron beat me to the
explanation of permissions. (You can't use fdisk to modify volume
labels.) Basically you need to create a permanent mount point for the
drive, and add a line like Aaron described. Getting it to magically
mount on insertion could still be tricky.

Raymond McLaughlin


From mdlug at sbcglobal.net  Wed May  7 23:50:30 2008
From: mdlug at sbcglobal.net (Dean Durant)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 20:50:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] I tried to donate (via paypal)
Message-ID: <676366.7784.qm@web81808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It may not be much, but there is potentially more to come.  Iused paypal to attempt to send $25 to treasurer at md### dot gro (address nospammed)
and it came back.  I'll still donate that, and that's for past help.   I appreciate all the help people have given me over the years.   It isn't anywhere near enough.   It could be more.   To pay for answers to questions seems perfectly appropriate.   It's long overdue.    So is there a way to get this in place?

Thanks, Dean


From mdlug at sbcglobal.net  Wed May  7 23:54:48 2008
From: mdlug at sbcglobal.net (Dean Durant)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 20:54:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] yet another squid question
Message-ID: <148848.65312.qm@web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello, my current squid server is working pretty well.  But, when people are using webmail, and they try to upload an attachment of say > 50K, or even > 20K, it times out.   On the old squid server, the one I inherited and modeled the current one after, this is not a problem.   So yes, I have to study the differences, and no it's not particularly pressing.   I imagine I'll figure it out in due time.   But does anyone have any ideas?   Would this be incompatible under transparent proxying?   If I don't have a valid SSL certificate, would that be a problem?    https seems to work otherwise without it.   Thanks!


From mdlug at sbcglobal.net  Thu May  8 00:02:40 2008
From: mdlug at sbcglobal.net (Dean Durant)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 21:02:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] m$ vs google (re: post from days gone by)
Message-ID: <535256.71146.qm@web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I wonder if it's occurred to anyone at Google to release their internal
desktop distro?
Why not? Someone needs to fill the gap left by Vista. A huge name would
add credibility. AT&T, IBM, Xerox, HP?   Someone must have that appetite.   AT&T, nothing ever stopped them before, except Reagan / Uncle Sam, and even then not really... (Ma Bell is back, yes?)   Still under restriction to not make money from Unix?   Except it's not unix,not technically, and they wouldn't need to make a fortune from it...  Xerox, parc place, didn't they invent the first GUI?    HP, don't they need some kind of OS winner right about now?    

David Lane wrote:
> This is a good article, Even though  it is not linux. Google's core is Linux and could not get that big with the MS pricing model.
>
>
> http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200804211232DOWJONESDJONLINE000552_FORTUNE5.htm
>
> David C. Lane 
>
>
>
>
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From akulkis03 at gmail.com  Thu May  8 00:28:46 2008
From: akulkis03 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 00:28:46 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] I tried to donate (via paypal)
In-Reply-To: <676366.7784.qm@web81808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <676366.7784.qm@web81808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4822817E.80504@gmail.com>

Dean Durant wrote:
> It may not be much, but there is potentially more to come.  Iused paypal to attempt to send $25 to treasurer at md### dot gro (address nospammed)
> and it came back.  I'll still donate that, and that's for past help.   I appreciate all the help people have given me over the years.   It isn't anywhere near enough.   It could be more.   To pay for answers to questions seems perfectly appropriate.   It's long overdue.    So is there a way to get this in place?
> 

There's a meeting this Saturday.


From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Wed May  7 11:11:57 2008
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:11:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Fw: PHP Developer Opening
Message-ID: <817435.89279.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hat guys I got a hit from this recruiter looking for a strong .PHP programmer.  I'm moving to New York and though I would love to take the job I have already accepted a job in New York. And Yes I will be continuing my education.  

Take a look at the attached job specs.  If you are strong in OOP, in my conversation that was emphasized quite a bit.

David 



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Steve Grimm <sgrimm at brooksource.com>
To: dcl400m at yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2008 10:02:16 AM
Subject: PHP Developer Opening

 
Hi David,
 
Thank you for your time today.  It sounds like you?re in a very
good situation in New York 
and I definitely understand why you?re passing on this position.  Shoot me over a copy of your resume,
though, and if something opens that is more along the lines of your
salary-requirement, I will definitely let you know.
 
I have attached a copy of the job description to this
email.  I would greatly appreciate
it if you would send it over to anyone you know who would be interested, or to
any resources that might have an available candidate.  I will take a look for some
Michigan-based Linux user groups and see if I can find someone.  Thanks for the advice!
 
Have a great day, David.
 
Steve
 
*************************
Steve Grimm
Technical Recruiter
Brooksource
248.374.9048
www.brooksource.com
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From ml at adamdein.com  Thu May  8 12:06:22 2008
From: ml at adamdein.com (ml at adamdein.com)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 12:06:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] OT: Intel Mac Mini for sale...
In-Reply-To: <21846420.01210262468300.JavaMail.SYSTEM@E1715>
Message-ID: <21954678.21210262785774.JavaMail.SYSTEM@E1715>

Hey guys,

I have an intel mac mini that I'm ready to let go of. Details are as
follows:

Intel mac mini
--2ghz Core Duo processor
--2GB Ram
--100GB internal HD
--2x 400GB External Drives
(Firewire or USB). Built in USB hubs. Mac Mini shaped so they stack
nice. I use one as storage and the other as TimeMachine.
--Built in Bluetooth, Wifi, and SuperDrive.
--Includes IR Remote for use as media device (FrontRow).
--Fully updated Leopard (10.5.2 I think..)

https://mail.adamdein.com/pics

Beware the pics. They're hi-res.

$600

Thanks!

--Adam
adam at adamdein.com




From list1c30fe42 at bellsouth.net  Thu May  8 14:50:07 2008
From: list1c30fe42 at bellsouth.net (Robert Meier)
Date: Thu,  8 May 2008 14:50:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] I tried to donate (via paypal)
In-Reply-To: <676366.7784.qm@web81808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (message from Dean
	Durant on Wed, 7 May 2008 20:50:30 -0700 (PDT))
References: <676366.7784.qm@web81808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080508185007.27F18127CB7@starfox.local>

Dean,

I've seen no response, so I'll pipe up.

> It may not be much, but there is potentially more to come.

Thank you.

> Iused paypal to attempt to send $25 to treasurer at
> md### dot gro (address nospammed) and it came back.

Most cash donations to mdlug have been in the form of paying
extra for catered goods at the mdlug meetings (already priced
100% above cost).   The catering fund goes strictly to defray
cost of server and DNS.  If you can't attend a meeting,
the caterer (or any other officer under Contacts) will, I'm sure,
be willing to act as your agent upon receiving a check via smail.

> I'll still donate that, and that's for past help.
> I appreciate all the help people have given me over the years.
> It isn't anywhere near enough.   It could be more.
> To pay for answers to questions seems perfectly appropriate.
> It's long overdue.

You are welcome.

> So is there a way to get this in place?

See above.

Hopefully helpful,
-- 
Bob

  "Real Patriots, who may resist the intrigues of the favourite, are liable
   to become suspected and odious; while its tools and dupes usurp the
   applause & confidence of the people, to surrender their interests."
	 -- George Washington



From rkannan at peoplepc.com  Sun May 11 10:07:22 2008
From: rkannan at peoplepc.com (R. Kannan)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 10:07:22 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [mdlug] Latest version of flash player crashes firefox
Message-ID: <4471306.1210514842932.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi,

I installed  firefox 2.0.0.14 recently but the flashplayer was old. When I installed the latest version of flashplayer plugin (9.0) installed, firefox crashes every time I go to website with flash. I had flash-block enabled. I un-installed flash-block but that did not help either. I tried both the rpm and tarred version of the flash-block from the Adobe site. The only option was to remove the plugin from /opt/firefox/plugins.

Any ideas?

TIA for any pointers.

________________________________________
PeoplePC Online
A better way to Internet
http://www.peoplepc.com


From rrclark at rrclark.net  Mon May 12 14:42:15 2008
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (Rich Clark <rrclark@rrclark.net>)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 14:42:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] A Thank You
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.1.00.0805121438370.18035@rich.private.rrclark.net>

I caught wind of this on Groklaw this afternoon and thought it important 
enough to share, since many of you I'd want to thank for everything that 
I've ever learned about Linux since associating with MDLUG some 8 or 9 
years ago. Why reinvent the wheel?

From
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-May/004196.html:

-----
I would just like to say...
Robert Azinger roboghast at yahoo.com
Sun May 11 05:38:23 BST 2008

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This post is for all of you out there who have developed or contributed to 
Linux/Ubuntu projects and all of the open source coders who read this.  I 
do not know where to send a post like this so I hope this one email will 
find its way in the sea of posts out there.

I thank you to the point of tears.

Earlier this week I installed Kubuntu on a refurbished AMD computer I 
purchased for $184 from a discount online vendor, it came with no OS. It 
now runs like a champ.

We cant afford much and this was my 14 year old daughter's birthday 
present this past week. She is overjoyed. And she is already trying to 
tackle Adept Manager and exploring Linux; adding bling and her music, of 
course.

I cant tell you how much I appreciate the work you all have done. Its a 
work of art. If I could thank each and every one of you I would.

You have given her the world to learn and explore.

So if you get frustrated or tired in your work for Open Source/Free 
Software, just remember that somewhere in Missouri there is a 14 year-old 
girl named Hope, an A-student who runs on the track team, who is now your 
biggest fan and one of the newest users of Linux/Ubuntu.

Thanks most sincerely,

R.B.A.
Missouri


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert. B. Azinger
roboghast at yahoo.com




From tesral at comcast.net  Tue May 13 23:12:30 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 23:12:30 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Heartbeat.
Message-ID: <482A589E.7030306@comcast.net>

My wife loves me.

Last night we took the 500 gig ATA drive back to Microcenter tio replace
it with a SATA drive for the future computer.

We walked out with the whole computer.  Gigahertz S-series Mobo AMD 2.3
gig dual core, 2 gig ram, 500 gig SATA drive Antec 300 case and a
Corsair 750 watt PS. 

Today we got the bits assembled and got a heartbeat.  I'll pull the
brand new DVD-RW out of Darth Beemer for the optical drive.

I've decided to look into a USB floppy for the legacy needs of my Mavica
Camera.  That can also be paired with my Laptop.

Damn, but my wife loves me.  Second computer inside a month.  I figured
that getting "Phoenix" together would take a long grind through the
summer.  As it is as soon as I get my computer room back together we can
work on the OS instillation.  (Forget it Matt, it WILL be openSUSE, not
Debian.)

Oh, the computer room.  Tony my electrical guy just installed a new 20
amp circuit behind my desks.  But that means everything is off or out
from under those desks.  I'm also starting to paint the room with that
wall and getting my long waiting glass shelving up as well.  They all
required moving the desks.  Not something I care to do twice in a year.

I haven't decided on Gate's retirement use as of yet.  It's still a good
machine (I'm using it right now.)  I don't need a file server.  I have
hardware routers.  It might replace Darth Beemer as the lab computer
with a simplified hard drive set up and the removable bay.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From jbroughton at twmi.rr.com  Wed May 14 19:13:36 2008
From: jbroughton at twmi.rr.com (Jim)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:13:36 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Latest version of flash player crashes firefox
In-Reply-To: <4471306.1210514842932.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <4471306.1210514842932.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <482B7220.1080404@twmi.rr.com>

R. Kannan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I installed  firefox 2.0.0.14 recently but the flashplayer was old. When I installed the latest version of flashplayer plugin (9.0) installed, firefox crashes every time I go to website with flash. I had flash-block enabled. I un-installed flash-block but that did not help either. I tried both the rpm and tarred version of the flash-block from the Adobe site. The only option was to remove the plugin from /opt/firefox/plugins.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> TIA for any pointers.
>
> ________________________________________
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>
>   

 I too am having some problems with Firefox 2.0.0.14 as well.
The flash video problems have been going on for me since 1.5.
When closing a tab after letting a flash video play or trying to
play another flash video in the same tab  Firefox locks up tight.
Only resolution is to let KDE or X windows kill it outright.
Hence no bug report gets sent. :(
  Now I'm having an additional problem where Firefox locks
up or does disappearing app crash when I want to save a jpg file or
even a web page this did not start happening until 2.0.0.14.
  Running Slackware 11.0 and KDE 3.5.



From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Thu May 15 02:08:19 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 02:08:19 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Latest version of flash player crashes firefox
In-Reply-To: <4471306.1210514842932.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <4471306.1210514842932.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90805142308k690354br78b4cd8da96bf83e@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:07 AM, R. Kannan <rkannan at peoplepc.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I installed  firefox 2.0.0.14 recently but the flashplayer was old. When I installed the latest version of flashplayer plugin (9.0) installed, firefox crashes every time I go to website with flash. I had flash-block enabled. I un-installed flash-block but that did not help either. I tried both the rpm and tarred version of the flash-block from the Adobe site. The only option was to remove the plugin from /opt/firefox/plugins.

I've had some occasional problems with it also.  What version are your
using?  Enter "about:plugins" in the address bar to check.
I'm about to upgrade to Ubuntu Hardy Heron so I'll be using 3.0 beta
5.  Hopefully that fixes it.


From driveray at ameritech.net  Thu May 15 03:11:16 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 03:11:16 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Latest version of flash player crashes firefox
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e90805142308k690354br78b4cd8da96bf83e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4471306.1210514842932.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<b02c40e90805142308k690354br78b4cd8da96bf83e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <482BE214.1080206@ameritech.net>

Jeff Hanson wrote:
> On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:07 AM, R. Kannan <rkannan at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I installed  firefox 2.0.0.14 recently but the flashplayer was old. When I installed the latest version of flashplayer plugin (9.0) installed, firefox crashes every time I go to website with flash. I had flash-block enabled. I un-installed flash-block but that did not help either. I tried both the rpm and tarred version of the flash-block from the Adobe site. The only option was to remove the plugin from /opt/firefox/plugins.
> 
> I've had some occasional problems with it also.  What version are your
> using?  Enter "about:plugins" in the address bar to check.
> I'm about to upgrade to Ubuntu Hardy Heron so I'll be using 3.0 beta
> 5.  Hopefully that fixes it.

At the MUG meeting last night Jorge Castro's presentation on Hardy Heron
touched on the Firefox 3.0 Beta issue. Jorge reports that 3.0 is such an
improvement that even the Beta has far fewer problems than 2.x, and
recommends just using it.

For what it's worth, I still use 2.0.0.14, and I have flash blocker
installed. When I do chose to run a flash app, especially video, I
expect I have about a 50% chance of firefox becoming unresponsive when I
try to close the page. I'm not sure which is worse, the flash problem,
or the fact that I've gotten so used to it that I almost accept it. :(

Raymond McLaughlin


From muteid10t at gmail.com  Thu May 15 07:16:57 2008
From: muteid10t at gmail.com (Ron Blanchett)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 07:16:57 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Latest version of flash player crashes firefox
In-Reply-To: <482BE214.1080206@ameritech.net>
References: <4471306.1210514842932.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<b02c40e90805142308k690354br78b4cd8da96bf83e@mail.gmail.com>
	<482BE214.1080206@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <52995d720805150416h225e4716l603ad3edc86a5042@mail.gmail.com>

I am running hardy and I must say that ff 3.0 even in beta is 1000%
more stable than ff 2.0 ever was for me ymmv



On 5/15/08, Raymond McLaughlin <driveray at ameritech.net> wrote:
> Jeff Hanson wrote:
>> On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:07 AM, R. Kannan <rkannan at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I installed  firefox 2.0.0.14 recently but the flashplayer was old. When
>>> I installed the latest version of flashplayer plugin (9.0) installed,
>>> firefox crashes every time I go to website with flash. I had flash-block
>>> enabled. I un-installed flash-block but that did not help either. I tried
>>> both the rpm and tarred version of the flash-block from the Adobe site.
>>> The only option was to remove the plugin from /opt/firefox/plugins.
>>
>> I've had some occasional problems with it also.  What version are your
>> using?  Enter "about:plugins" in the address bar to check.
>> I'm about to upgrade to Ubuntu Hardy Heron so I'll be using 3.0 beta
>> 5.  Hopefully that fixes it.
>
> At the MUG meeting last night Jorge Castro's presentation on Hardy Heron
> touched on the Firefox 3.0 Beta issue. Jorge reports that 3.0 is such an
> improvement that even the Beta has far fewer problems than 2.x, and
> recommends just using it.
>
> For what it's worth, I still use 2.0.0.14, and I have flash blocker
> installed. When I do chose to run a flash app, especially video, I
> expect I have about a 50% chance of firefox becoming unresponsive when I
> try to close the page. I'm not sure which is worse, the flash problem,
> or the fact that I've gotten so used to it that I almost accept it. :(
>
> Raymond McLaughlin
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>

-- 
Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com


From amajorov at sbcglobal.net  Thu May 15 07:27:30 2008
From: amajorov at sbcglobal.net (allen)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 07:27:30 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Latest version of flash player crashes firefox
In-Reply-To: <482BE214.1080206@ameritech.net>
References: <4471306.1210514842932.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>	<b02c40e90805142308k690354br78b4cd8da96bf83e@mail.gmail.com>
	<482BE214.1080206@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <482C1E22.3020200@sbcglobal.net>

Raymond McLaughlin wrote:
> Jeff Hanson wrote:
>   
>> On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:07 AM, R. Kannan <rkannan at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I installed  firefox 2.0.0.14 recently but the flashplayer was old. When I installed the latest version of flashplayer plugin (9.0) installed, firefox crashes every time I go to website with flash. I had flash-block enabled. I un-installed flash-block but that did not help either. I tried both the rpm and tarred version of the flash-block from the Adobe site. The only option was to remove the plugin from /opt/firefox/plugins.
>>>       
>> I've had some occasional problems with it also.  What version are your
>> using?  Enter "about:plugins" in the address bar to check.
>> I'm about to upgrade to Ubuntu Hardy Heron so I'll be using 3.0 beta
>> 5.  Hopefully that fixes it.
>>     
>
> At the MUG meeting last night Jorge Castro's presentation on Hardy Heron
> touched on the Firefox 3.0 Beta issue. Jorge reports that 3.0 is such an
> improvement that even the Beta has far fewer problems than 2.x, and
> recommends just using it.
>
> For what it's worth, I still use 2.0.0.14, and I have flash blocker
> installed. When I do chose to run a flash app, especially video, I
> expect I have about a 50% chance of firefox becoming unresponsive when I
> try to close the page. I'm not sure which is worse, the flash problem,
> or the fact that I've gotten so used to it that I almost accept it. :(
>
> Raymond McLaughlin
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>   
You don't have to wait to install Hardy to use Firefox 3. Since about 
beta 3 it's been more stable, not to mention noticeably more responsive, 
then Firefox 2. I've only had it crash every couple of weeks as opposed 
to Firefox 2 crashing on a daily basis.

Two issues in using Firefox 3, as far as I'm concerned, are that the 
number of add-ons is very limited which may account, in part, for the 
stability of Firefox 3, and it's still a bit rough around the edges. For 
instance, the "back" and "forward" buttons don't have the drop-downs 
you'll find in Firefox2.

Allen


From dobwan at earthlink.net  Thu May 15 07:35:06 2008
From: dobwan at earthlink.net (Duane Brown)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 07:35:06 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Latest version of flash player crashes firefox
In-Reply-To: <482BE214.1080206@ameritech.net>
References: <4471306.1210514842932.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>	<b02c40e90805142308k690354br78b4cd8da96bf83e@mail.gmail.com>
	<482BE214.1080206@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <482C1FEA.6020602@earthlink.net>

Raymond McLaughlin wrote:
> ...
>  I'm not sure which is worse, the flash problem,
> or the fact that I've gotten so used to it that I almost accept it. :(
>
> Raymond McLaughlin
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>   
You have been Micro$oft'ized, It is now acceptable for a released 
product to fail regularly.


NOT in my book, Firefox blew it with this flash issue. On my laptop I 
used Firefox 3 beta and on my desktop I live with the occasional crash.

Duane


From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Thu May 15 12:51:56 2008
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 09:51:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] SATA DVD/CD drive
Message-ID: <247923.28729.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I installed Opensuse on a system with a SATA DVD/CD drive.

The installation went very fast, :) That was great compared to the IDE Drives.  

However, The drive does not mount until I run Hardware information, in YAST.

Is there a way to mount this and behave like a normal DVD/CD drive?

David C. Lane


      

From akulkis03 at gmail.com  Thu May 15 14:51:27 2008
From: akulkis03 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:51:27 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Latest version of flash player crashes firefox
In-Reply-To: <482B7220.1080404@twmi.rr.com>
References: <4471306.1210514842932.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<482B7220.1080404@twmi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <482C862F.6020407@gmail.com>

Jim wrote:
> R. Kannan wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I installed  firefox 2.0.0.14 recently but the flashplayer was old. When I installed the latest version of flashplayer plugin (9.0) installed, firefox crashes every time I go to website with flash. I had flash-block enabled. I un-installed flash-block but that did not help either. I tried both the rpm and tarred version of the flash-block from the Adobe site. The only option was to remove the plugin from /opt/firefox/plugins.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> TIA for any pointers.
>>
>>
>>   
> 
>  I too am having some problems with Firefox 2.0.0.14 as well.
> The flash video problems have been going on for me since 1.5.
> When closing a tab after letting a flash video play or trying to
> play another flash video in the same tab  Firefox locks up tight.
> Only resolution is to let KDE or X windows kill it outright.
> Hence no bug report gets sent. :(
>   Now I'm having an additional problem where Firefox locks
> up or does disappearing app crash when I want to save a jpg file or
> even a web page this did not start happening until 2.0.0.14.
>   Running Slackware 11.0 and KDE 3.5.

I'm seeing no problems with Mozilla seamonkey 1.1.9 32-bit nor
Konqueror 3.5.7 (64-bit)


From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Thu May 15 15:34:36 2008
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 15:34:36 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Latest version of flash player crashes firefox
In-Reply-To: <482C862F.6020407@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E037165587@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Aaron Kulkis

> I'm seeing no problems with Mozilla seamonkey 1.1.9 32-bit nor
> Konqueror 3.5.7 (64-bit)

 I, too, haven't had any problems. Of course, I have flashblock and
mostly only use flash for YouTube and suchlike videos...

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                              (313) 227-2317

 "One man's 'magic' is another man's 'engineering'. 'Supernatural' is a
                    null word." - Robert Heinlein
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From rkannan at peoplepc.com  Thu May 15 22:11:34 2008
From: rkannan at peoplepc.com (R. Kannan)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 22:11:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Latest version of flash player crashes firefox
Message-ID: <28664574.1210903894939.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I have tried both 9.0.124.0  and 9.0.48.0 versions of flashplayer plugin on FF 2.0.0.14. I reverted back to flashplayer 7 :-(

-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com>
>Sent: May 15, 2008 2:08 AM
>To: "R. Kannan" <rkannan at peoplepc.com>, MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
>Subject: Re: [mdlug] Latest version of flash player crashes firefox
>
>On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:07 AM, R. Kannan <rkannan at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I installed  firefox 2.0.0.14 recently but the flashplayer was old. When I installed the latest version of flashplayer plugin (9.0) installed, firefox crashes every time I go to website with flash. I had flash-block enabled. I un-installed flash-block but that did not help either. I tried both the rpm and tarred version of the flash-block from the Adobe site. The only option was to remove the plugin from /opt/firefox/plugins.
>
>I've had some occasional problems with it also.  What version are your
>using?  Enter "about:plugins" in the address bar to check.
>I'm about to upgrade to Ubuntu Hardy Heron so I'll be using 3.0 beta
>5.  Hopefully that fixes it.


________________________________________
PeoplePC Online
A better way to Internet
http://www.peoplepc.com


From list1c30fe42 at bellsouth.net  Thu May 15 20:02:22 2008
From: list1c30fe42 at bellsouth.net (Robert Meier)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 20:02:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] SATA DVD/CD drive
In-Reply-To: <247923.28729.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (message from David
	Lane on Thu, 15 May 2008 09:51:56 -0700 (PDT))
References: <247923.28729.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080516000222.AD08C127D08@starfox.local>

David,

> However, The drive does not mount until I run Hardware information, in YAST.
> Is there a way to mount this and behave like a normal DVD/CD drive?

I'm not sure what is going on, so I'll guess :) .

Assuming normal syslogd configuration,
a more certain answer might result from posting the /var/log/messages
entries from just before you "run Hardware information, in YAST"
until just after you use the new drive the first time,
and for comparison, the /var/log/messages from just before you
mount/insert a normal DVD/CD drive until just after you use the
normal DVD/CD drive the first time.



The unix kernel doesn't know or care whether the drive is SATA or "normal".
The distinction is entirely in the driver.
In this context the driver is a piece of software called by the kernel
that presents the physical device as a "block-special device",
a map from inode (an integer) to a block (a fixed-size array of bytes).

IIRC, further details were presented a few years ago by Ray Ingles,
and are on the mdlug website.



<HINT>
The automatic features of drive use are configured with /etc/fstab
and /etc/hotplug/..., and reported in /proc/mounts and elsewhere.

Once mounted by any means (e.g. "Hardware information, in YAST",
you should be able to find the SATA drive mount settings reported
in /proc/mounts.
You will need to copy-and-edit these settings to /etc/fstab,
for the use of various tools.  See fstab(5) for details.

I am not aware of any likely changes to your hotplug configuration.

It is possible but improbable that "Hardware information, in YAST"
is loading kernel modules.
To see if it is.
1. bash> /sbin/lsmod > /tmp/modules.before.txt
2. Start YAST.
3. Run Hardware information.
4. After report is complete, but before exiting Hardware information,
   A. bash> /sbin/lsmod > /tmp/module.after.txt
5. Exit Hardware information.
6. bash> diff /tmp/modules.after.txt /tmp/modules.before.txt
If there is a difference, you may need to alter /etc/modules.conf .
</HINT>

Hopefully helpful,
-- 
Bob

  "My private keys are mine alone.
   My public keys to many shown.
   My secret keys with some are shared,
   But with only one message paired."
     -- Robert Meier 2001 excerpt from "Open-PGP Polka"



From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Fri May 16 08:41:03 2008
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 08:41:03 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SATA DVD/CD drive
In-Reply-To: <20080516000222.AD08C127D08@starfox.local>
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E037165589@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Robert Meier

> > However, The drive does not mount until I run Hardware information, in YAST.

> I'm not sure what is going on, so I'll guess :) .

> The unix kernel doesn't know or care whether the drive is 
> SATA or "normal".

 Depending on how things are set up, though, a "Parallel ATA" (IDE) drive will
show up as /dev/hd*, and a SATA drive will show up as /dev/sd* (in other words,
a SCSI drive). Now, it's possible that during install SUSE was treating it as
an IDE drive (for compatiblity reasons - you have to be conservative during
install, to make sure things will work) and now that things are installed, it's
seeing it as a SCSI drive, and things aren't quite set up for that.

 I think SUSE does what most do, and symlinks /media/cdrom to the appropriate
device file. What does the output of "ls -l /media" look like?

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                                 (313) 227-2317

 "I do not contribute anything material to the competitive landscape. I am
  there to give players of actual merit a break between epic struggles."
                                - Tycho
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From raymond.s.mclaughlin at gmail.com  Fri May 16 14:53:27 2008
From: raymond.s.mclaughlin at gmail.com (Raymond S McLaughlin)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 14:53:27 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SATA DVD/CD drive
In-Reply-To: <247923.28729.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <247923.28729.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <482DD827.6040009@gmail.com>

David Lane wrote:
> I installed Opensuse on a system with a SATA DVD/CD drive.

Which Opensuse? The 11.0 Beta2 looks pretty good,  I'm pulling 11.0 B3
right now.

> The installation went very fast, :) That was great compared to the IDE Drives.  
> 
> However, The drive does not mount until I run Hardware information, in YAST.

Do you have to do this each time you put in a disk? If you are running
Opensuse 10.3, then I need to as what desk top you are running. I
noticed with 10.3 that the handling of auto mounting of removable media
was moved to the desktop environment, and as far as I could tell only
KDE and Gnome had it. (Xfce might I'm not sure.) This leaves people
running in text mode or using other lightweight desktops to manually
mount and unmount their removable media.

This really pissed me off when I first discovered it, but I actually use
KDE almost all the time, so I kind of forgot about it till just now.

> Is there a way to mount this and behave like a normal DVD/CD drive?

Have you tried an ATA CD/DVD on this system to compare its behavior?

> David C. Lane

Raymond McLaughlin

P.S. I am currently tracking a bug in the MDLUG mailing list server that
 is dropping some posts to some destinations. Specifically: posts from
David C.Lane, and so far as I can tell, only from David C. Lane, are
failing to be delivered to any subscribers with .net or .org in their
tdl. I am looking in to this and will post more when I find out more.

RSM Server Admin


From micorral at comcast.net  Fri May 16 15:09:14 2008
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:09:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Sytlish plugin for Firefox
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0805161502120.9125@banana.sluggo.net>

I just found out about this, it's very cool:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2108

Basically it lets you customize the appearance of Firefox per site.
So I can make yahoo.com look one way, make fedoraforums.org look a
different way, etc. This is nice when the site doesn't offer any
theming options. I'm using this now in Swiftweasel, adapting the
DarkGoogle theme (http://userstyles.org/styles/682) for use on
the Fedora Forums.

Michael


From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Sat May 17 12:01:52 2008
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 12:01:52 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Mystery tech -- laptop
Message-ID: <b67fb0380805170901k5cf59b5am87af8d676e9d3d12@mail.gmail.com>

Garage sales can be wondrous things -- I just purchased what looks to
be a fascinating bit of older technology.  I'm still researching it.

I purchased (for US$12.50) what looks to be something between a PDA
and a low-end laptop -- it appears to be an early attempt at an
OLPC-like student-oriented PC.  Called a "DreamWriter I.T" and built
about 9 years ago, it features a stripped-down but full-sized keyboard
with touchpad, a roughly 9-inch 640x480 256-color LCD touchscreen
display, and nearly all the standard I/O ports, including a PCMCIA
slot (unfortunately, no USB).  It appears to have 16 MB of flash RAM
and (according to what I've found so far) runs an 80 MHz Hitachi SH-3
processor.  It's currently loaded with WinCE 2.11 and Pocket Office 97
-- but I may try to find a way to put Linux on it.

Of course the manufacturer and its successor-in-interest are LONG gone
-- NTS Computer Systems, Ltd. and Brainium Technologies were both
based in Canada and have disappeared without a ripple -- but, hey,
worst case I've got a decent 12V/2.5A switching power supply and a
cool NiMH battery pack...

Does anyone know anything about this unit?

~~ Mikey


From jbroughton at twmi.rr.com  Sat May 17 21:25:55 2008
From: jbroughton at twmi.rr.com (Jim)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 21:25:55 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Latest version of flash player crashes firefox
In-Reply-To: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E037165587@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E037165587@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <482F85A3.10604@twmi.rr.com>

Ingles, Raymond wrote:
>> From: Aaron Kulkis
>>     
>
>   
>> I'm seeing no problems with Mozilla seamonkey 1.1.9 32-bit nor
>> Konqueror 3.5.7 (64-bit)
>>     
>
>  I, too, haven't had any problems. Of course, I have flashblock and
> mostly only use flash for YouTube and suchlike videos...
>
>  Sincerely,
>
>  Ray Ingles                                              (313) 227-2317
>
>
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>
>
>   
   I too have flashblock installed and active. I also have script 
blocking active as well.
Flash video's cause the problem whether or not those are 
removed/disabled/bypassed.
I have not tried turning off tabs and going with opening new windows because
I am a tab fanatic and always have at least 6 or 7 open.
I have tried both Slackware's official release and the Mozilla.com 
release. Both
exhibit the same "feature". The only thing I have not tried is building 
my own
from source to turn on debugging and setting up some sort of trace on 
plugin activity.
  The WindowsXP version of course does not have this problem.


Jim



From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Sat May 17 18:17:48 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 18:17:48 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Mystery tech -- laptop
In-Reply-To: <b67fb0380805170901k5cf59b5am87af8d676e9d3d12@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b67fb0380805170901k5cf59b5am87af8d676e9d3d12@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90805171517m203c5be8x23717f5f58ff2b3f@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Michael Rudas <audiotech50 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know anything about this unit?

Interesting gadget according to this article:
http://www.pocketpcfaq.com/wce/21/dreamwriterit.htm

But I didn't find any resources for it with Google.  There are some
other "dreamwriters" hits out there that relate to a application.  I
didn't find anything on Wikipedia either.  Maybe you could create an
article for it.


From wolfger at gmail.com  Tue May 20 08:58:20 2008
From: wolfger at gmail.com (Wolfger)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 08:58:20 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning
Message-ID: <3b00b3330805200558j48fa059au9dd04ab262b76b9d@mail.gmail.com>

They are already soliciting ideas for panels for next year. I had an
idea for which I need some panelists:
How to Stand on the Shoulders of Giants
Building applications efficiently by using (and re-using) existing
code and APIs.

I currently don't have much to say on this myself, but hopefully by
next year I will, since I am working on a project (Tweek) which is
being built upon multiple other applications (twyt, pysqlite, sqlite).
In fact, I'd enjoy talking to some prospective panelists so that I
don't have to learn the best way to go about this from scratch. ;-)

-- 
Wolfger
http://wolfger.wordpress.com/

My 5 today: #78273 (qgis), #184496 (casper), #126181 (empathy),
#193798 (hal), #130644 (ttf-dejavu)
Do 5 a day - every day! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day


From jjn at nuge.com  Tue May 20 11:27:49 2008
From: jjn at nuge.com (Jay Nugent)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:27:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Postfix question
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805201124180.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>

Greetings,
   I was attampting to set up a server at a site and was perplexed when it 
would not receive mail from the outside world.  I'm presuming that Postfix 
does what sendmail did, and that it ONLY listens on the loopback interface 
and not the ethernet.  This was an *easy* fix with sendmail, but I've 
never used Postfix so this is new to me.

   Can someone who has used Postfix in a "server" environment give me a 
few pointers how to set it up?  

   Thanks!
      --- Jay
             
In response to the issue about dumbing-down Amateur Radio, a fellow Ham 
said:    "Would you like fries with that emergency communication?"
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Jay Nugent   jjn at nuge.com    (734)484-5105    (734)544-4326/Fax        |
| Nugent Telecommunications  [www.nuge.com]     (734)649-0850/Cell       |
|   Internet Consulting/Linux SysAdmin/Engineering & Design/ISP Reseller |
| ISP Monitoring [www.ispmonitor.net] ISP & Modem Performance Monitoring |
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| LinuxNIC, Inc. [www.linuxnic.net]   Registrar of the .linux TLD        |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
 11:01am  up 209 days, 11:35,  5 users,  load average: 0.09, 0.19, 0.20



From muteid10t at gmail.com  Tue May 20 11:37:41 2008
From: muteid10t at gmail.com (Ron Blanchett)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:37:41 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Postfix question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805201124180.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805201124180.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <52995d720805200837i76dcfeer4c0b9dd7280aba24@mail.gmail.com>

what do you get when you telnet <ipaddress> 25 to the public ip of the system?

What distro? (It does matter, debian likes to break up the config file
into a bunch of smaller files that make setup painful sometimes.)

the inet_interfaces directive should be set =  to the interface you
want postfix to listen on.
'all' is a good setting to use for initial setup and if you have
processes that submit mail on the loopback interface.



On 5/20/08, Jay Nugent <jjn at nuge.com> wrote:
> Greetings,
>    I was attampting to set up a server at a site and was perplexed when it
>  would not receive mail from the outside world.  I'm presuming that Postfix
>  does what sendmail did, and that it ONLY listens on the loopback interface
>  and not the ethernet.  This was an *easy* fix with sendmail, but I've
>  never used Postfix so this is new to me.
>
>    Can someone who has used Postfix in a "server" environment give me a
>  few pointers how to set it up?
>
>    Thanks!
>       --- Jay
>
>  In response to the issue about dumbing-down Amateur Radio, a fellow Ham
>  said:    "Would you like fries with that emergency communication?"
>  +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>  | Jay Nugent   jjn at nuge.com    (734)484-5105    (734)544-4326/Fax        |
>  | Nugent Telecommunications  [www.nuge.com]     (734)649-0850/Cell       |
>  |   Internet Consulting/Linux SysAdmin/Engineering & Design/ISP Reseller |
>  | ISP Monitoring [www.ispmonitor.net] ISP & Modem Performance Monitoring |
>  | Web-Pegasus    [www.webpegasus.com] Web Hosting/DNS Hosting/Shell Accts|
>  | LinuxNIC, Inc. [www.linuxnic.net]   Registrar of the .linux TLD        |
>  +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>   11:01am  up 209 days, 11:35,  5 users,  load average: 0.09, 0.19, 0.20
>
>  _______________________________________________
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>  mdlug at mdlug.org
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From danno at umich.edu  Tue May 20 12:13:31 2008
From: danno at umich.edu (Dan Pritts)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:13:31 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Postfix question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805201124180.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805201124180.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <20080520161331.GA38977@maniac.deathstar.org>

look at master.cf and confirm that the machine is running smtpd.
master.cf is kind of like an inetd.conf for postfix.

also, look at main.cf and make sure that there's no obvious "listen only
on localhost" type thing.  
main.cf is the primary config file.

Once you get used to postfix you won't rush back to sendmail.

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 11:27:49AM -0400, Jay Nugent wrote:
> Greetings,
>    I was attampting to set up a server at a site and was perplexed when it 
> would not receive mail from the outside world.  I'm presuming that Postfix 
> does what sendmail did, and that it ONLY listens on the loopback interface 
> and not the ethernet.  This was an *easy* fix with sendmail, but I've 
> never used Postfix so this is new to me.
> 
>    Can someone who has used Postfix in a "server" environment give me a 
> few pointers how to set it up?  
> 
>    Thanks!
>       --- Jay
>              
> In response to the issue about dumbing-down Amateur Radio, a fellow Ham 
> said:    "Would you like fries with that emergency communication?"
> +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
> | Jay Nugent   jjn at nuge.com    (734)484-5105    (734)544-4326/Fax        |
> | Nugent Telecommunications  [www.nuge.com]     (734)649-0850/Cell       |
> |   Internet Consulting/Linux SysAdmin/Engineering & Design/ISP Reseller |
> | ISP Monitoring [www.ispmonitor.net] ISP & Modem Performance Monitoring |
> | Web-Pegasus    [www.webpegasus.com] Web Hosting/DNS Hosting/Shell Accts|
> | LinuxNIC, Inc. [www.linuxnic.net]   Registrar of the .linux TLD        |
> +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>  11:01am  up 209 days, 11:35,  5 users,  load average: 0.09, 0.19, 0.20
> 
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From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Tue May 20 14:15:26 2008
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:15:26 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning
In-Reply-To: <3b00b3330805200558j48fa059au9dd04ab262b76b9d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b00b3330805200558j48fa059au9dd04ab262b76b9d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b67fb0380805201115v4561e496ifdde99316a25a58a@mail.gmail.com>

--- Wolfger wrote:

> They are already soliciting ideas for panels for next year. I had an
> idea for which I need some panelists:
> How to Stand on the Shoulders of Giants...

If I ever win the lottery, I would LOVE to bring Con Zymaris to
Penguicon!  He wrote an excellent monograph nearly ten years ago that
addresses this very issue and has held up very well, IMHO:
"Shoulders of Giants -- A Paper on the Inevitability of Open Source Dominance"
<http://www.cyber.com.au/users/conz/shoulders.html>

The paper itself may be useful for ideas...

~~ Mikey


From micorral at comcast.net  Tue May 20 15:14:57 2008
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 15:14:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning
In-Reply-To: <b67fb0380805201115v4561e496ifdde99316a25a58a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b00b3330805200558j48fa059au9dd04ab262b76b9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<b67fb0380805201115v4561e496ifdde99316a25a58a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0805201511150.4681@banana.sluggo.net>

2008-05-20, Monsieur Michael Rudas a ecrit:
> If I ever win the lottery, I would LOVE to bring Con Zymaris to
> Penguicon!

Dude, if you win the lottery, and "bringing Con Zymaris to Penguicon"
is what enters your head...well, I'm at a loss for words. ;)

Michael


From driveray at ameritech.net  Tue May 20 16:16:31 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:16:31 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Postfix question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805201124180.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805201124180.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <4833319F.4030206@ameritech.net>

Jay Nugent wrote:
> Greetings,
>    I was attampting to set up a server at a site and was perplexed when it 
> would not receive mail from the outside world.  I'm presuming that Postfix 
> does what sendmail did, and that it ONLY listens on the loopback interface 
> and not the ethernet.  This was an *easy* fix with sendmail, but I've 
> never used Postfix so this is new to me.
> 
>    Can someone who has used Postfix in a "server" environment give me a 
> few pointers how to set it up?  
> 
>    Thanks!
>       --- Jay


What distro are you using? Does it have a firewall? Port 25 does need to
be open for smtpd to receive mail.


From akulkis03 at gmail.com  Tue May 20 16:31:12 2008
From: akulkis03 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:31:12 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning
In-Reply-To: <b67fb0380805201115v4561e496ifdde99316a25a58a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b00b3330805200558j48fa059au9dd04ab262b76b9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<b67fb0380805201115v4561e496ifdde99316a25a58a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48333510.4060002@gmail.com>

Michael Rudas wrote:
> --- Wolfger wrote:
> 
>> They are already soliciting ideas for panels for next year. I had an
>> idea for which I need some panelists:
>> How to Stand on the Shoulders of Giants...
> 
> If I ever win the lottery, I would LOVE to bring Con Zymaris to
> Penguicon!  He wrote an excellent monograph nearly ten years ago that
> addresses this very issue and has held up very well, IMHO:
> "Shoulders of Giants -- A Paper on the Inevitability of Open Source Dominance"
> <http://www.cyber.com.au/users/conz/shoulders.html>
> 

Ohhh....THAT kind of panel.  Ooops!


> The paper itself may be useful for ideas...


From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Tue May 20 16:34:05 2008
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:34:05 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Mystery tech -- laptop
In-Reply-To: <b67fb0380805170901k5cf59b5am87af8d676e9d3d12@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E037165594@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Michael Rudas

> It appears to have 16 MB of flash RAM
> and (according to what I've found so far) runs an 80 MHz Hitachi SH-3
> processor.  It's currently loaded with WinCE 2.11 and Pocket Office 97
> -- but I may try to find a way to put Linux on it.

 It should be possible to put Linux on it, but a lot of development would
be needed and some experimentation with the hardware at a low level. On the
other hand, you could put in a flash card with a few GB and have a decent
little system.

 You might look here first:
 http://www.superh-linux.org/platforms/index.html

 Or the 'external links' here:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperH

 Note that NetBSD or OpenBSD might be more mature, I can't tell from a
quick skim.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                            (313) 227-2317

 "There's an empty spot I've always had inside me. I tried to fill it
 with family, religion, community service, but those were dead ends.
         I think this chair is the answer." - Homer Simpson
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From peter at petertheplumber.net  Wed May 21 22:58:51 2008
From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 22:58:51 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
Message-ID: <20080521225851.784a50a3@Nokia-N800-26>

Hello All,
    Yesterday I ordered the Roku Netflix player
<http://www.roku.com/products/netflixplayer/index.php>, hoping it
shared some sort of Linux OS with the other Roku products. It indeed
does seem to be running some sort of embedded Linux flavor. On my way
to collect the link above, I was warned that I was using an unsupported
browser (Opera) and I was also told which browser is supported on
Linux. Today I picked up a 4gig Toshiba flash drive; on sale for $25
at Office Max; and was told that it would work under Linux. Yes I
know, but they still had to expend the thougt to include that bit as
well as the ink to print it. 

Best Regards,
-- 
Peter The Plumber sm on the Road
State Licensed Plumber


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Wed May 21 23:06:33 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 23:06:33 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
In-Reply-To: <20080521225851.784a50a3@Nokia-N800-26>
References: <20080521225851.784a50a3@Nokia-N800-26>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90805212006r2ae2560bi4d62c5f7706fbdbb@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Peter Bart <peter at petertheplumber.net> wrote:
> Today I picked up a 4gig Toshiba flash drive; on sale for $25
> at Office Max; and was told that it would work under Linux. Yes I
> know, but they still had to expend the thougt to include that bit as
> well as the ink to print it.

I bought a SanDisk USB key and it had Linux and Windows XP on the
label.  Vista was a sticker added later.


From muteid10t at gmail.com  Thu May 22 08:43:09 2008
From: muteid10t at gmail.com (Ron Blanchett)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 08:43:09 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e90805212006r2ae2560bi4d62c5f7706fbdbb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080521225851.784a50a3@Nokia-N800-26>
	<b02c40e90805212006r2ae2560bi4d62c5f7706fbdbb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52995d720805220543w33e46d2cs41f2a0c1256c3ae5@mail.gmail.com>

Last nights criminal minds featured a Linux City Camera system that
was run by and I quote "Linux OS".

On 5/21/08, Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Peter Bart <peter at petertheplumber.net> wrote:
>  > Today I picked up a 4gig Toshiba flash drive; on sale for $25
>  > at Office Max; and was told that it would work under Linux. Yes I
>  > know, but they still had to expend the thougt to include that bit as
>  > well as the ink to print it.
>
>
> I bought a SanDisk USB key and it had Linux and Windows XP on the
>  label.  Vista was a sticker added later.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Thu May 22 09:50:36 2008
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 09:50:36 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
In-Reply-To: <20080521225851.784a50a3@Nokia-N800-26>
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03716559A@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Peter Bart
> Today I picked up a 4gig Toshiba flash drive; on sale for $25
> at Office Max; and was told that it would work under Linux. Yes I
> know, but they still had to expend the thougt to include that bit as
> well as the ink to print it. 

 The webcomic "Penny Arcade" has been ambivalent about Linux in the past:

 http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/1999/19990305h.jpg
 http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2003/20030630h.gif
 http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2002/20020722h.gif

 ...but they just came out with a new game, and it runs on PC, Mac...
and Linux.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                        (313) 227-2317

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 properly, tends to take much less time, thought and effort than
 building construction. There is strong similarity in other areas
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From wolfger at gmail.com  Thu May 22 10:15:23 2008
From: wolfger at gmail.com (Wolfger)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:15:23 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
In-Reply-To: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03716559A@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <20080521225851.784a50a3@Nokia-N800-26>
	<319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03716559A@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <3b00b3330805220715q2680fd29od55e775fad4b507f@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Ingles, Raymond
<Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com> wrote:
>
>  The webcomic "Penny Arcade" has been ambivalent about Linux in the past:
>  ...but they just came out with a new game, and it runs on PC, Mac...
> and Linux.

I just saw that yesterday, and downloaded the free demo. If I like it,
I'll be buying it.

--
Wolfger
http://wolfger.wordpress.com/

My 5 today: #189311 (firefox), #123062 (python-apt, apport), #178398
(apport), #189354 (firefox), #111470 (lincity)
Do 5 a day - every day! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day


From jcbender at bendorius.com  Thu May 22 10:35:21 2008
From: jcbender at bendorius.com (Joseph C. Bender)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:35:21 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
In-Reply-To: <52995d720805220543w33e46d2cs41f2a0c1256c3ae5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080521225851.784a50a3@Nokia-N800-26>	<b02c40e90805212006r2ae2560bi4d62c5f7706fbdbb@mail.gmail.com>
	<52995d720805220543w33e46d2cs41f2a0c1256c3ae5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483584A9.7060801@bendorius.com>

Ron Blanchett wrote:
> Last nights criminal minds featured a Linux City Camera system that
> was run by and I quote "Linux OS".
> 
	Speaking of "Criminal Minds", if you notice Garcia's computer screens 
in most episodes, the computers are running either KDE or Gnome, and 
there's usually a bunch of terminal windows open.  I've caught some 
fairly realistic looking perl and shell-script code when they do quick 
up-close shots of the screens.  Freeze-frame on a TiVo (hey, look, 
embedded Linux!) is an amusing thing from time to time.


-- 
Joseph Bender
Bendorius Consulting
P: 248-434-5580
F: 248-434-5581
jcbender at bendorius com


From rkannan at peoplepc.com  Thu May 22 10:46:13 2008
From: rkannan at peoplepc.com (R. Kannan)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:46:13 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Enriching Everyday Life Was: Linux Creeping Into
 Everyday Life
Message-ID: <33311741.1211467574221.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Can we change the subject line? 'Creeping', at least to me, has a negative connotation !!

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Joseph C. Bender" <jcbender at bendorius.com>
>Sent: May 22, 2008 10:35 AM
>To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
>Subject: Re: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
>
>Ron Blanchett wrote:
>> Last nights criminal minds featured a Linux City Camera system that
>> was run by and I quote "Linux OS".
>> 
>	Speaking of "Criminal Minds", if you notice Garcia's computer screens 
>in most episodes, the computers are running either KDE or Gnome, and 
>there's usually a bunch of terminal windows open.  I've caught some 
>fairly realistic looking perl and shell-script code when they do quick 
>up-close shots of the screens.  Freeze-frame on a TiVo (hey, look, 
>embedded Linux!) is an amusing thing from time to time.
>
>
>-- 
>Joseph Bender
>Bendorius Consulting
>P: 248-434-5580
>F: 248-434-5581
>jcbender at bendorius com
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From radkins at impelind.com  Thu May 22 10:56:42 2008
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:56:42 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Digi Photography] Wacom Tablets and PS CS3
Message-ID: <20080522150159.49E93C0C6@impelind.com>

	I know, this is totally unrelated to Linux, but I know that there
are more than two other users into more "advanced" Digital Photography on
this list.

	I recently picked up an Wacom Intuos3 6x4 tablet (Which is awesome
by itself) and it has a special discount offer for a steep discount off of
Adobe PS CS3. Buying both the tablet and then PS CS3, the money spent was
roughly $150 less than buying PS CS3 by itself.

	Just thought I'd pass along this savings potential in case someone
else was considering PS CS3. Which, btw, is just about worth it on its own
simply for the RAW converter which is worlds better than the converter that
shipped with my camera.

	-Rob



From wolfger at gmail.com  Thu May 22 11:00:14 2008
From: wolfger at gmail.com (Wolfger)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:00:14 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux clandestinely infiltrating our country (Was: Linux
	Enriching Everyday Life (Was: Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life))
Message-ID: <3b00b3330805220800h24d699bema23de346c9fc702d@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:46 AM, R. Kannan <rkannan at peoplepc.com> wrote:
> Can we change the subject line? 'Creeping', at least to me, has a negative connotation !!

Sure, no problem!    XD

-- 
Wolfger
http://wolfger.wordpress.com/

My 5 today: #189311 (firefox), #123062 (python-apt, apport), #178398
(apport), #189354 (firefox), #111470 (lincity)
Do 5 a day - every day! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day


From tesral at comcast.net  Thu May 22 11:28:56 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:28:56 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Enriching Everyday Life Was: Linux Creeping Into
 Everyday Life
In-Reply-To: <33311741.1211467574221.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <33311741.1211467574221.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <48359138.8020908@comcast.net>

R. Kannan wrote:
> Can we change the subject line? 'Creeping', at least to me, has a negative connotation !!
>   

"Waddling" would be more appropriate.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From radkins at impelind.com  Thu May 22 11:33:29 2008
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:33:29 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Enriching Everyday Life Was: Linux Creeping Into
	Everyday Life
In-Reply-To: <48359138.8020908@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20080522153845.C5D1DC0C6@impelind.com>

	I'd go with "Diving with Pinpoint Accuracy and Travelling at Amazing
Speeds into the Ocean we call Everyday Life".

	Sometimes, I'm just a little too grandiose...

	-Rob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Garry Stahl
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 11:29 AM
> To: R. Kannan; MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Linux Enriching Everyday Life Was: Linux 
> Creeping Into Everyday Life
> 
> R. Kannan wrote:
> > Can we change the subject line? 'Creeping', at least to me, 
> has a negative connotation !!
> >   
> 
> "Waddling" would be more appropriate.
> 
> --
> Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.
> 
> Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Star Trek mort. 
> Viva la Star Trek admiraetur The Olde Phoenix Inn 
> http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com Metro Detroit Linux Users Group 
> http://www.mdlug.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> 



From treii28 at yahoo.com  Thu May 22 11:57:55 2008
From: treii28 at yahoo.com (Scott Webster Wood)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 08:57:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Enriching Everyday Life Was: Linux Creeping Into
	Everyday Life
Message-ID: <274623.11702.qm@web38003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

looming?  (nah too much like creeping)
emerging? (oh wait, some could say that the larva in Aliens 'emerged' from the guy's gut)
materializing?  (hmmm, might sound too much akin to the philosophies of Kant - nevermind that one)
arising?  (sorta like a sun on a brand new day - oh wait, did I say sun?  Well they run *nix, I suppose that isn't too bad)
which might also bring us to use 'dawning' - too effeminate sounding?
commencing?  (sorta like a graduation as linux comes into it's own!)
appearing?  (sorta like celebrities.  "Special appearance!"  But not your Brittany Spears or Paris Hilton varieties please!)
manifesting!  (Like it's a destiny!!!)

just my $0.02

----- Original Message ----
From: Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net>
To: R. Kannan <rkannan at peoplepc.com>; MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 11:28:56 AM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Linux Enriching Everyday Life Was: Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life

R. Kannan wrote:
> Can we change the subject line? 'Creeping', at least to me, has a negative connotation !!
>  

"Waddling" would be more appropriate.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
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From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Thu May 22 12:52:35 2008
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:52:35 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
In-Reply-To: <20080521225851.784a50a3@Nokia-N800-26>
References: <20080521225851.784a50a3@Nokia-N800-26>
Message-ID: <b67fb0380805220952l715037f1x63d942bc3586dd52@mail.gmail.com>

--- Peter Bart wrote:
> Hello All,
>    Yesterday I ordered the Roku Netflix player
> <http://www.roku.com/products/netflixplayer/index.php>, hoping it
> shared some sort of Linux OS with the other Roku products. It indeed
> does seem to be running some sort of embedded Linux flavor...

In the movie "Iron Man" there is a sequence where Pepper Potts
surreptitiously downloads some sooper-sekrit data to a flash drive.
Imagine my surprise when, instead of the expected "Movie OS"
fancy-graphics high-tech display, I saw a relatively unadorned
Enlightenment desktop running on what was clearly Linux -- though I
don't know how much what I saw differs from a stock E desktop, I'm
pretty sure that's what it was.

~~ Mikey


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Thu May 22 20:56:24 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 20:56:24 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
In-Reply-To: <b67fb0380805220952l715037f1x63d942bc3586dd52@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080521225851.784a50a3@Nokia-N800-26>
	<b67fb0380805220952l715037f1x63d942bc3586dd52@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90805221756h623c5970k5742b0e795c6cd5b@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Michael Rudas <audiotech50 at gmail.com> wrote:
> In the movie "Iron Man" there is a sequence where Pepper Potts
> surreptitiously downloads some sooper-sekrit data to a flash drive.
> Imagine my surprise when, instead of the expected "Movie OS"
> fancy-graphics high-tech display, I saw a relatively unadorned
> Enlightenment desktop running on what was clearly Linux -- though I
> don't know how much what I saw differs from a stock E desktop, I'm
> pretty sure that's what it was.

There might be a practical reason for it - copyright.  Whenever there
is a product, poster, trademark, etc. is in a movie or photograph the
owner is entitled to licensing fees.  Freedomware desktops look
unusual and are generally claim free.  If the creator of the movie or
photograph can't get paid for product placement from the owner then
they either have to license it, remove it, or find a free replacement.


From dobwan at earthlink.net  Thu May 22 21:53:03 2008
From: dobwan at earthlink.net (Duane Brown)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 21:53:03 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
In-Reply-To: <52995d720805220543w33e46d2cs41f2a0c1256c3ae5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080521225851.784a50a3@Nokia-N800-26>	<b02c40e90805212006r2ae2560bi4d62c5f7706fbdbb@mail.gmail.com>
	<52995d720805220543w33e46d2cs41f2a0c1256c3ae5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4836237F.6030900@earthlink.net>

my Phillips LCD HD TV runs some part of linux, there was even a GPL 
license identifying the license on various librarys.

And

My Archos Personal Media Player has some variant of linux (AOS) installed.

business is catching on. The icing on the cake would be if these were 
American made products


From rkannan at peoplepc.com  Fri May 23 13:52:12 2008
From: rkannan at peoplepc.com (R. Kannan)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:52:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
Message-ID: <16971130.1211565132481.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


So does my Panasonic Plasma HD. There is a menu item that displays GPL (Version2?). But aren't they supposed to provide the source code :-)
-----Original Message-----
>From: Duane Brown <dobwan at earthlink.net>
>Sent: May 22, 2008 9:53 PM
>To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
>Subject: Re: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
>
>my Phillips LCD HD TV runs some part of linux, there was even a GPL 
>license identifying the license on various librarys.
>
>And
>
>My Archos Personal Media Player has some variant of linux (AOS) installed.
>
>business is catching on. The icing on the cake would be if these were 
>American made products
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From muteid10t at gmail.com  Fri May 23 13:55:10 2008
From: muteid10t at gmail.com (Ron Blanchett)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:55:10 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
In-Reply-To: <16971130.1211565132481.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <16971130.1211565132481.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <52995d720805231055s13a5dd9ct1d15bbd875970b5c@mail.gmail.com>

they only need to provide you with a way to get the code. it can be as
simple as supplying you with a link to the projects site (usually used
if they did not modify anything) or a link to the code on there site
(if they modified the code before release on the device)



On 5/23/08, R. Kannan <rkannan at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
>  So does my Panasonic Plasma HD. There is a menu item that displays GPL (Version2?). But aren't they supposed to provide the source code :-)
>  -----Original Message-----
>  >From: Duane Brown <dobwan at earthlink.net>
>  >Sent: May 22, 2008 9:53 PM
>  >To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
>  >Subject: Re: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
>  >
>  >my Phillips LCD HD TV runs some part of linux, there was even a GPL
>  >license identifying the license on various librarys.
>  >
>  >And
>  >
>  >My Archos Personal Media Player has some variant of linux (AOS) installed.
>  >
>  >business is catching on. The icing on the cake would be if these were
>  >American made products
>  >_______________________________________________
>  >mdlug mailing list
>  >mdlug at mdlug.org
>  >http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>
>
>  ________________________________________
>  PeoplePC Online
>  A better way to Internet
>  http://www.peoplepc.com
>  _______________________________________________
>  mdlug mailing list
>  mdlug at mdlug.org
>  http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Fri May 23 13:57:05 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:57:05 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
In-Reply-To: <16971130.1211565132481.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <16971130.1211565132481.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90805231057n1978eabeg111295d11aad8d41@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:52 PM, R. Kannan <rkannan at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
> So does my Panasonic Plasma HD. There is a menu item that displays GPL (Version2?). But aren't they supposed to provide the source code :-)

Maybe it's transmitted via subliminal messages.  If in a few years do
some research and plot out HDTV sales vs. kernel coders and see if
there is a matching trend.


From peter at petertheplumber.net  Fri May 23 16:58:00 2008
From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 16:58:00 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
In-Reply-To: <16971130.1211565132481.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <16971130.1211565132481.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20080523165800.5c331b7f@Nokia-N800-26>

On Fri, 23 May 2008 13:52:12 -0400 (EDT)
"R. Kannan" <rkannan at peoplepc.com> wrote:

> 
> So does my Panasonic Plasma HD. There is a menu item that displays
> GPL (Version2?). But aren't they supposed to provide the source
> code :-) -----Original Message-----
> >From: Duane Brown <dobwan at earthlink.net>
> >Sent: May 22, 2008 9:53 PM
> >To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
> >Subject: Re: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
> >
> >my Phillips LCD HD TV runs some part of linux, there was even a GPL 
> >license identifying the license on various librarys.
> >
> >And
> >
> >My Archos Personal Media Player has some variant of linux (AOS)
> >installed.
> >
> >business is catching on. The icing on the cake would be if these
> >were American made products
> 

	Some more things Linux, cell phones of all things.
<http://www.limofoundation.org/solutions/index.php>. Take a look at the
heavyweights on the membership roster
<http://www.limofoundation.org/current-members/index.php>. I wonder if
OpenMoko is finally going to get some traction?

-- 
Peter The Plumber sm on the Road
State Licensed Plumber


From akulkis03 at gmail.com  Mon May 26 01:00:35 2008
From: akulkis03 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 01:00:35 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [opensuse-offtopic] The OSS Cure for What Ails
	Hospital IT]
Message-ID: <483A43F3.4010504@gmail.com>



From jjn at nuge.com  Mon May 26 12:19:55 2008
From: jjn at nuge.com (Jay Nugent)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 12:19:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] SuSE root breakin help needed
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261218420.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>

Greetings,
   It has been years since I ever needed to break into a box to clear or
reset the root passwork, and boy have things changed!  Used to be as
simple as 'linux 1' at the LILO prompt.  Not anymore....

   I have a server running SuSE 10.3 that I need to correct some settings
on its Postfix configuration, and need root to do it.  The customer gave
me the box to work on, but didn't give me the root PW.  I understand that
I can boot into "rescue" from the install DVD (done that), then create a
mount point (done that), and edit /etc/fstab (done that -- albeit not
correctly apparently).

   Can't seem to get the hard drive mounted after trying all sorts of
permutations of fstab.  I don't know the exact partitioning of the hard
drive but *seem* to recall it was basically three partitions, /, /home,
and swap, and that it is a SATA drive.  But I can't recall whether it had
LVM turned on or not, and I have NO idea how to deal with LVM *if* it was
turned on.

   I can't keep trying different config lines in /etc/fstab endlessly and
blindly.  Anyone have some suggestions how best to procede??

   Thanks!
      --- Jay 

In response to the issue about dumbing-down Amateur Radio, a fellow Ham 
said:    "Would you like fries with that emergency communication?"
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From landman at scalableinformatics.com  Mon May 26 12:38:37 2008
From: landman at scalableinformatics.com (Joe Landman)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 12:38:37 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261218420.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261218420.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <483AE78D.4090508@scalableinformatics.com>

Jay Nugent wrote:

>    Can't seem to get the hard drive mounted after trying all sorts of
> permutations of fstab.  I don't know the exact partitioning of the hard
> drive but *seem* to recall it was basically three partitions, /, /home,
> and swap, and that it is a SATA drive.  But I can't recall whether it had

	parted /dev/sda print

should tell you most of what you need to know.  Then once you see the 
layout, you can create temporary mount points

	mkdir /mnt/t1 /mnt/t2 /mnt/t3

and

	mount  /dev/sda1 /mnt/t1

etc

If you need LVM, you may see a mount failure, or a partition type 
difference.

> LVM turned on or not, and I have NO idea how to deal with LVM *if* it was
> turned on.

LVM can be fun.  We avoid it for most things, as recovery is, well, a 
challenge, in the event things go pear shaped.

> 
>    I can't keep trying different config lines in /etc/fstab endlessly and
> blindly.  Anyone have some suggestions how best to procede??
> 
>    Thanks!
>       --- Jay 
> 
> In response to the issue about dumbing-down Amateur Radio, a fellow Ham 
> said:    "Would you like fries with that emergency communication?"
> +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
> | Jay Nugent   jjn at nuge.com    (734)484-5105    (734)544-4326/Fax        |
> | Nugent Telecommunications  [www.nuge.com]     (734)649-0850/Cell       |
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> --
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From peter at petertheplumber.net  Mon May 26 13:30:07 2008
From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 13:30:07 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261218420.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261218420.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <20080526133007.33f7b291@Nokia-N800-26>

On Mon, 26 May 2008 12:19:55 -0400 (EDT)
Jay Nugent <jjn at nuge.com> wrote:

> Greetings,
>    It has been years since I ever needed to break into a box to clear
> or reset the root passwork, and boy have things changed!  Used to be
> as simple as 'linux 1' at the LILO prompt.  Not anymore....
> 
>    I have a server running SuSE 10.3 that I need to correct some
> settings on its Postfix configuration, and need root to do it.  The
> customer gave me the box to work on, but didn't give me the root PW.

	Try this method <http://en.opensuse.org/Recover_Root_Password>.

Best Regards,

-- 
Peter The Plumber sm on the Road
State Licensed Plumber


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Mon May 26 15:21:03 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:21:03 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261218420.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261218420.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90805261221v2e929d06jb2aa700b8b50167d@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Jay Nugent <jjn at nuge.com> wrote:
>   Can't seem to get the hard drive mounted after trying all sorts of
> permutations of fstab.  I don't know the exact partitioning of the hard
> drive but *seem* to recall it was basically three partitions, /, /home,
> and swap, and that it is a SATA drive.  But I can't recall whether it had
> LVM turned on or not, and I have NO idea how to deal with LVM *if* it was
> turned on.
>
>   I can't keep trying different config lines in /etc/fstab endlessly and
> blindly.  Anyone have some suggestions how best to procede??

If you can boot the system off the drive and log in with any account
then "cat /proc/mounts" should indicate what is mounted where.

I've been working on Ubuntu with MD/RAID, LVM, and LUKS/dm-crypt and
this script is what I use with the LiveCD to access an encrypted
system and fix grub problems:

recover.sh:
#! /bin/bash
# Quick one-shot, run as superuser
apt-get install mdadm lvm2 cryptsetup && modprobe dm-mod && mdadm -As
&& vgchange -ay && cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/mapper/vg0-lv0 lv0_crypt
&& mkdir /ubuntu && mount /dev/mapper/lv0_crypt /ubuntu && mount
/dev/md0 /ubuntu/boot && mount -t proc none /ubuntu/proc && mount -o
bind /dev /ubuntu/dev && chroot /ubuntu && cd /boot/grub

Basically:
1.  Install mdadm, lvm2 and cryptsetup
2.  Load the dm-mod for RAID and use mdadm to scan for and mount any
RAID devices.
3.  Use vgchange to scan for and activate any LVM volume groups and devices.
4.  Use cryptsetup to unlock the root encrypted volume on logical
volume 0 of volume group 0 (vg0 and lv0 follow my device naming
convention)  and call it lv0_crypt.
5.  Make a directory /ubuntu (effectively within the LiveCD ram drive).
6.  Mount the unlocked lv0_crypt volume at /ubuntu.
7.  Mount /dev/md0 (unencrypted boot volume) as /ubuntu/boot
8.  Mount the LiveCD's /proc and /dev directories in /ubuntu.
9.  chroot /ubuntu so everything will be using the apps from the drive
instead of the outdated LiveCD.

Then I proceed to beat grub into submission like getting the drive #s
for the RAID set correctly.  Ubuntu's installer has a lot of problems
with RAID, LVM, and dm-crypt, especially when used in combination.

I think the vgchange -ay command is what you are looking for if it's an LVM.


From carl at carltm.com  Mon May 26 15:36:12 2008
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:36:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261218420.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261218420.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <3208.216.144.203.250.1211830572.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Jay Nugent wrote:
>    Can't seem to get the hard drive mounted after trying all sorts of
> permutations of fstab.  I don't know the exact partitioning of the hard
> drive but *seem* to recall it was basically three partitions, /, /home,
> and swap, and that it is a SATA drive.  But I can't recall whether it had
> LVM turned on or not, and I have NO idea how to deal with LVM *if* it was
> turned on.

Jay, if "parted /dev/sda print" shows the lvm flag, that means
you'll have to deal with logical volume management.

This page tells about someone mounting partitions on an lvm
volume group, and it tells the steps to find and mount them.
http://www.whoopis.com/howtos/linux_lvm_recovery.html

c




From jjn at nuge.com  Mon May 26 16:11:17 2008
From: jjn at nuge.com (Jay Nugent)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 16:11:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <483AE78D.4090508@scalableinformatics.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>

Greetings all,

On Mon, 26 May 2008, Joe Landman wrote:

> Jay Nugent wrote:
> 
> >    Can't seem to get the hard drive mounted after trying all sorts of
> > permutations of fstab.  I don't know the exact partitioning of the hard
> > drive but *seem* to recall it was basically three partitions, /, /home,
> > and swap, and that it is a SATA drive.  But I can't recall whether it had
> 
> 	parted /dev/sda print
> 
> should tell you most of what you need to know.  Then once you see the 
> layout, you can create temporary mount points
> 
> 	mkdir /mnt/t1 /mnt/t2 /mnt/t3
> 
> and
> 
> 	mount  /dev/sda1 /mnt/t1


   Thanks Joe!  I was *so* relieved to see that LVM was not used.  And
this got me onto the hard drive where I was then able to vi the
/etc/passwd file and blank out the root password field.

   root::0:3::/:/bin/bash

   Rebooted, and at the login screen it refused to let me login to root 
with a *blank* password :(



   Then I received Peter Bart's suggestion:  "Try this method 
<http://en.opensuse.org/Recover_Root_Password>" which basically says to do 
this:

  --------------------------------------------------------------
    For 10.3, you need some more steps:

    Start the rescue system. Find the disk root partition, then, assuming 
    its hdxy (or probably sdxy):

    mount /dev/hdxy /mnt
    mount -o bind /proc /mnt/proc
    mount -o bind /sys /mnt/sys
    mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev
    chroot /mnt

    you are root in the installed sytem, with all at hand: passwd, but 
    also YaST...
  ---------------------------------------------------------------


   This got me full access to the system :)   But when I do a 'passwd 
root' to set a root password it *says* it did it, but nothing ever happens
to the password field in /etc/passwd :(

   Now what could be causing this?????


   Dang it!  I just wanna set a password, boot and log in normally, get
the Postfix stuff fixed and tested, and get this pain in the butt box off
my bench so I can go back to working on some 10 GHz microwave gear (far
far more fun these days).

   Anyone know a way to generate the one-way password encryption?  Then I
can vi /etc/password and edit in the 13 character string???  Seems to me
there used to be a 'crypt' command or something similar...

   Thanks alot for your help guys :)

      --- Jay

             
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said:    "Would you like fries with that emergency communication?"
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From landman at scalableinformatics.com  Mon May 26 16:17:40 2008
From: landman at scalableinformatics.com (Joe Landman)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 16:17:40 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <483B1AE4.5090302@scalableinformatics.com>

Jay Nugent wrote:
> Greetings all,


>    Thanks Joe!  I was *so* relieved to see that LVM was not used.  And
> this got me onto the hard drive where I was then able to vi the
> /etc/passwd file and blank out the root password field.
> 
>    root::0:3::/:/bin/bash
> 
>    Rebooted, and at the login screen it refused to let me login to root 
> with a *blank* password :(

er....  you probably don't want to blow the password away ...

simpler methods

1) set up sudo access for a specific user, and add this line for user "jay"

	jay ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /bin/su

To use this, do

	sudo su

after logging in as Jay.  No fuss, no muss.  Can be removed later.  You 
should set this up from a chroot'ed file system.

2) set up passwordless ssh into root for user "jay"

	ssh localhost -l root

   though you have to make sure root is allowed ssh access for this.

Both methods work well, we use them when setting up customer systems.


>              
> In response to the issue about dumbing-down Amateur Radio, a fellow Ham 
> said:    "Would you like fries with that emergency communication?"
> +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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> | Nugent Telecommunications  [www.nuge.com]     (734)649-0850/Cell       |
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> +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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> --
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From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Mon May 26 16:35:36 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 16:35:36 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
References: <483AE78D.4090508@scalableinformatics.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90805261335w79888539q42ed4fa128764bb5@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Jay Nugent <jjn at nuge.com> wrote:
>   Thanks Joe!  I was *so* relieved to see that LVM was not used.  And
> this got me onto the hard drive where I was then able to vi the
> /etc/passwd file and blank out the root password field.
...
>   Anyone know a way to generate the one-way password encryption?  Then I
> can vi /etc/password and edit in the 13 character string???  Seems to me
> there used to be a 'crypt' command or something similar...

Suse actually uses passwd to store the password hash?  I though most
distros used shadow so that it's permissions could be set to readable
only by root so that normal users couldn't get the hashes and
brute-force them offline.


From list1c30fe42 at bellsouth.net  Mon May 26 16:46:37 2008
From: list1c30fe42 at bellsouth.net (Robert Meier)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 16:46:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com> (message
	from Jay Nugent on Mon, 26 May 2008 16:11:17 -0400 (EDT))
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <20080526204637.33F0515EA23@starfox.local>

Jay,

> This got me full access to the system :)   But when I do a 'passwd 
> root' to set a root password it *says* it did it, but nothing ever happens
> to the password field in /etc/passwd :(
> Now what could be causing this?????

This is correct.
Despite the name (historic), /etc/passwd is for public user information.
The second field holds not the password but whether or not account
is an office publically usable without a password.
The password information (hash) is in /etc/shadow.
See passwd(5) and shadow(5) for further details.

Hopefully helpful,
-- 
Bob

  "This statement wouldn't be funny if not for irony!"
     -- http://xkcd.com/6



From tesral at comcast.net  Mon May 26 17:11:19 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 17:11:19 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e90805261221v2e929d06jb2aa700b8b50167d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261218420.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
	<b02c40e90805261221v2e929d06jb2aa700b8b50167d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483B2777.50606@comcast.net>

Ask the client for the root password?

-- 
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Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From carl at carltm.com  Mon May 26 17:09:10 2008
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 17:09:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e90805261335w79888539q42ed4fa128764bb5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <483AE78D.4090508@scalableinformatics.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
	<b02c40e90805261335w79888539q42ed4fa128764bb5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22861.216.144.203.250.1211836150.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Jeff Hanson wrote:
> Suse actually uses passwd to store the password hash?  I though most
> distros used shadow so that it's permissions could be set to readable
> only by root so that normal users couldn't get the hashes and
> brute-force them offline.

I believe that most of the distros still offer that as an
option.  I don't recall seeing it as the default option in
several years.

c




From carl at carltm.com  Mon May 26 17:15:24 2008
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 17:15:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <483B2777.50606@comcast.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261218420.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
	<b02c40e90805261221v2e929d06jb2aa700b8b50167d@mail.gmail.com>
	<483B2777.50606@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <5868.216.144.203.250.1211836524.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Garry Stahl wrote:
> Ask the client for the root password?

Oh, come on.  That would be the easy way out.

c




From tesral at comcast.net  Mon May 26 17:40:04 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 17:40:04 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <5868.216.144.203.250.1211836524.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261218420.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>	<b02c40e90805261221v2e929d06jb2aa700b8b50167d@mail.gmail.com>	<483B2777.50606@comcast.net>
	<5868.216.144.203.250.1211836524.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <483B2E34.6010706@comcast.net>

Carl T. Miller wrote:
> Oh, come on.  That would be the easy way out.
>   

Why beat you head on it?

-- 
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Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
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Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Mon May 26 17:38:35 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 17:38:35 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <483B2777.50606@comcast.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261218420.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
	<b02c40e90805261221v2e929d06jb2aa700b8b50167d@mail.gmail.com>
	<483B2777.50606@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90805261438h4d08cf77r54a3a2843ef28f33@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net> wrote:
> Ask the client for the root password?

That's no fun.


From robert.citek at gmail.com  Mon May 26 18:06:43 2008
From: robert.citek at gmail.com (Robert Citek)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 17:06:43 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
References: <483AE78D.4090508@scalableinformatics.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <4145b6790805261506r3dd39ae5v409cad678c6bd7aa@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Jay Nugent <jjn at nuge.com> wrote:
> Anyone know a way to generate the one-way password encryption?  Then I
> can vi /etc/password and edit in the 13 character string???  Seems to me
> there used to be a 'crypt' command or something similar...

One solution would be to use Knoppix (probably will work with other
live CDs, too):

1) boot into Knoppix
2) open a root terminal
3) mount the filesystem containing /etc/shadow
4) create a password.  For example,

# mkpasswd --hash=md5 foo
$1$7u0Y1cwB$OYtRpq0y1kM6U0dW3Bgh80

5) insert into the second field of /etc/shadow for root or other user
6) reboot
7) login as root using the above password, e.g. foo

Regards,
- Robert


From brian at dangerbacon.com  Mon May 26 18:35:59 2008
From: brian at dangerbacon.com (Brian)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 18:35:59 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <200805261836.03219.brian@dangerbacon.com>

On Monday 26 May 2008 04:11:17 pm Jay Nugent wrote:
> Greetings all,
>
> On Mon, 26 May 2008, Joe Landman wrote:
> > Jay Nugent wrote:
> > >    Can't seem to get the hard drive mounted after trying all sorts of
> > > permutations of fstab.  I don't know the exact partitioning of the hard
> > > drive but *seem* to recall it was basically three partitions, /, /home,
> > > and swap, and that it is a SATA drive.  But I can't recall whether it
> > > had
> >
> > 	parted /dev/sda print
> >
> > should tell you most of what you need to know.  Then once you see the
> > layout, you can create temporary mount points
> >
> > 	mkdir /mnt/t1 /mnt/t2 /mnt/t3
> >
> > and
> >
> > 	mount  /dev/sda1 /mnt/t1
>
>    Thanks Joe!  I was *so* relieved to see that LVM was not used.  And
> this got me onto the hard drive where I was then able to vi the
> /etc/passwd file and blank out the root password field.
>
>    root::0:3::/:/bin/bash
>
>    Rebooted, and at the login screen it refused to let me login to root
> with a *blank* password :(

At lilo prompt,

linux init=/bin/bash

Once you're dropped down to a shell:
mount -o remount,rw / #remount root disk as read/write

Then mount /usr if necessary and just use the password command to change roots 
password to whatever you like.

-- 
Brian
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From tesral at comcast.net  Tue May 27 01:22:45 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 01:22:45 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] June Meeting
Message-ID: <483B9AA5.7050108@comcast.net>

I have to cancel the June DCG meeting at my house.  As I am painting the
computer room and the whole house is turned upside down. 

]The painting part is easy, it is moving thing out of the computer room,
clearing a wall, painting, and moving things back and then the next
set.  My dining room is full of computers and the living room stacked
with boxes of books.

I will not be finished by next week.  I'll just be getting to the East wall.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From list1c30fe42 at bellsouth.net  Tue May 27 00:20:51 2008
From: list1c30fe42 at bellsouth.net (Robert Meier)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 00:20:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <4145b6790805261506r3dd39ae5v409cad678c6bd7aa@mail.gmail.com>
	(robert.citek@gmail.com)
References: <483AE78D.4090508@scalableinformatics.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
	<4145b6790805261506r3dd39ae5v409cad678c6bd7aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080527042051.00F4215EA23@starfox.local>

Jay, Robert, Al, Jeff, Peter,

As amply demonstrated on this thread,
login passwords are little protection
against an attacker with physical access,
but are a major waste of time to a servicer.

Consider writing the root password on an index card,
putting it in a sealed envelope,
and putting the sealed envelope inside the case.

If the computer is stolen,
you save the attacker some time recovering unencrypted data,
but arranging the theft probably took longer.

If the computer needs service,
you save the supporter much time,
likely more than the actual service operation.


From gib at juno.com  Tue May 27 12:59:03 2008
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 16:59:03 GMT
Subject: [mdlug]  June Meeting - Location for DCG Meeting
Message-ID: <20080527.125903.15778.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>

 
Um, how about holding the meeting in a different location?  Say a restaurant.

-- Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net> wrote:
I have to cancel the June DCG meeting at my house.  As I am painting the
computer room and the whole house is turned upside down. 

]The painting part is easy, it is moving thing out of the computer room,
clearing a wall, painting, and moving things back and then the next
set.  My dining room is full of computers and the living room stacked
with boxes of books.

I will not be finished by next week.  I'll just be getting to the East wall.

-- 
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Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org

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From peter at petertheplumber.net  Tue May 27 13:09:54 2008
From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 13:09:54 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <20080527042051.00F4215EA23@starfox.local>
References: <483AE78D.4090508@scalableinformatics.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
	<4145b6790805261506r3dd39ae5v409cad678c6bd7aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080527042051.00F4215EA23@starfox.local>
Message-ID: <20080527130954.15150a1e@Nokia-N800-26>

On Tue, 27 May 2008 00:20:51 -0400 (EDT)
Robert Meier <list1c30fe42 at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Jay, Robert, Al, Jeff, Peter,
> 
> As amply demonstrated on this thread,
> login passwords are little protection
> against an attacker with physical access,
> but are a major waste of time to a servicer.

	Agreed!

> 
> Consider writing the root password on an index card,
> putting it in a sealed envelope,
> and putting the sealed envelope inside the case.

	Sorry, that's like the old magnetic key safes for car keys. I
don't do that anymore, it's to much  of an invitation.

> 
> If the computer is stolen,
> you save the attacker some time recovering unencrypted data,
> but arranging the theft probably took longer.

	The theft might be spur of the moment. Some of my customers
still are getting hit by these well dressed bandits that simply walk in
and take unattended equipment. I get the impression these thiefs go
cruise busy office buildings every day and take what they can when they
can.

> 
> If the computer needs service,
> you save the supporter much time,
> likely more than the actual service operation.

    A little foresight and no problems here. Both from the customer and
the vendor. I usually change the passwords and include a sticky note
with them on it in the package.

> 
> From a financial supply house,
> you can get "secure bags" that provide varying degrees
> of difficulty to open, and varying degrees of difficulty
> resealing without detection.
> 
> Hopefully helpful,

	There is no substitute for physical security.

Best Regards,


-- 
Peter The Plumber sm on the Road
State Licensed Plumber


From mdlug at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 27 14:48:05 2008
From: mdlug at sbcglobal.net (Dean Durant)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 11:48:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] OT: data recovery from dead hard disk
Message-ID: <91274.56249.qm@web81806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I know there are commercial firms that do this.   I know how much it costs too and this will be out of pocket (if I do it).  I was just curious to see if anyone on this list does it and what they charge.

Situation:   western digitial, SATA, 500 GB, fell from a desk onto the floor.  It was in an enclosure.   Now it's dead.   I think it's gone forever but I'd like to see if there is anything I can do.    Thanks, Dean


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Tue May 27 18:26:55 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 18:26:55 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] OT: data recovery from dead hard disk
In-Reply-To: <91274.56249.qm@web81806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <91274.56249.qm@web81806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90805271526j330dd7dew9ffbcf248ce07588@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Dean Durant <mdlug at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Situation:   western digitial, SATA, 500 GB, fell from a desk onto the floor.  It was in an enclosure.   Now it's dead.   I think it's gone forever but I'd like to see if there is anything I can do.    Thanks, Dean

Iffy.  The enclosure may have absorbed some of the impact.  Modern
drive heads are very low mass so it takes quite a lot of impact force
for them to contact the platters.  I'd check for a loose connection
and try it without the enclosure before giving up.


From ebielaczyc at gmail.com  Wed May 28 11:48:08 2008
From: ebielaczyc at gmail.com (Ein Bielaczyc)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:48:08 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Export Mounted ISOs
Message-ID: <1211989688.3756.21.camel@nx6110.bielaczyc.is-a-geek.com>

I'm trying to export via NFS a mounted ISO. I prefer to install via my
network (with PXE & NFS), and I'd like to keep the distros I download in
their ISO format (just in case I need to burn it to CD). I can mount the
ISO just fine. I know NFS is working because I can copy the data out of
the ISO to the file system I can then access them via NFS. But if I try
to simply re-export the mounted ISO I see nothing on the remote
machines. 

Currently my NFS machine is a rather vanilla install of OpenSuSE 10.2.

I've searched and searched but I haven't been able to find a solution.
Any help is appreciated.

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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Wed May 28 12:21:20 2008
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 12:21:20 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Export Mounted ISOs
In-Reply-To: <1211989688.3756.21.camel@nx6110.bielaczyc.is-a-geek.com>
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0371655A9@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Ein Bielaczyc
> 
> I'm trying to export via NFS a mounted ISO.

 This might help:

 http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/11435.html

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                               (313) 227-2317
 
 Executives get to pick ONE:
 A) I'm a total idiot. I had no idea what my company was doing - I'm not
    liable for the company's misdeeds.
 B) I knew exactly what was going on. That's what I'm paid for. I'm
    personally responsible for the acts of my company.
 If A, they forfeit all their money and assets as reparation for fraud.
 If B, they face criminal penalties.

 Now, ask yourself, why AREN'T executives held to this standard?
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From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Wed May 28 15:15:30 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:15:30 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Export Mounted ISOs
In-Reply-To: <1211989688.3756.21.camel@nx6110.bielaczyc.is-a-geek.com>
References: <1211989688.3756.21.camel@nx6110.bielaczyc.is-a-geek.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90805281215y62bea984o81c83a4825017943@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Ein Bielaczyc <ebielaczyc at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to export via NFS a mounted ISO. I prefer to install via my
> network (with PXE & NFS), and I'd like to keep the distros I download in
> their ISO format (just in case I need to burn it to CD). I can mount the
> ISO just fine. I know NFS is working because I can copy the data out of
> the ISO to the file system I can then access them via NFS. But if I try
> to simply re-export the mounted ISO I see nothing on the remote
> machines.

I think it's a matter of "bind" vs. "rbind".  A loop bind will not
provide access to any sub-mounts in the directory tree while rbind
will.  Check the mount man page.


From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Thu May 29 13:19:43 2008
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 13:19:43 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux makes another Splash(top)
Message-ID: <b67fb0380805291019l62299f2fw653f0ee29cc26ff9@mail.gmail.com>

Further good news from ASUS.  Their "Express Gate" instant-on Linux
desktop (a re-branded version of Splashtop Linux) is about to be
integrated into their laptop line.

This is good news.  ASUS is one of the few companies on Earth that
actually manufactures the laptops with their brand on them -- this is
yet another reason to consider them for my next purchase...
"Operating Systems and Servers News -- 29 May 2008 -- Splashtop Linux
conquers Asus laptops"
<http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?newsid=101624>

~~ Mikey


From ldaphelp at thuemmel.com  Thu May 29 14:12:41 2008
From: ldaphelp at thuemmel.com (Mark Thuemmel)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:12:41 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux makes another Splash(top)
In-Reply-To: <b67fb0380805291019l62299f2fw653f0ee29cc26ff9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b67fb0380805291019l62299f2fw653f0ee29cc26ff9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483EF219.9090902@thuemmel.com>

Michael Rudas wrote:
> Further good news from ASUS.  Their "Express Gate" instant-on Linux
> desktop (a re-branded version of Splashtop Linux) is about to be
> integrated into their laptop line.
> <http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?newsid=101624>
> ~~ Mikey

Very, very nice.  A proud day to watch the youtube demo of it.  Boots 
into the browser and plays flash just like that.  Dam, Microsoft is 
going to have a cow if people get their hands on this.


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Thu May 29 14:56:34 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:56:34 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux makes another Splash(top)
In-Reply-To: <483EF219.9090902@thuemmel.com>
References: <b67fb0380805291019l62299f2fw653f0ee29cc26ff9@mail.gmail.com>
	<483EF219.9090902@thuemmel.com>
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On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Mark Thuemmel <ldaphelp at thuemmel.com> wrote:
> Michael Rudas wrote:
>> Further good news from ASUS.  Their "Express Gate" instant-on Linux
>> desktop (a re-branded version of Splashtop Linux) is about to be
>> integrated into their laptop line.
>> <http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?newsid=101624>
>> ~~ Mikey
>
> Very, very nice.  A proud day to watch the youtube demo of it.  Boots
> into the browser and plays flash just like that.  Dam, Microsoft is
> going to have a cow if people get their hands on this.

In reality this could be done with Windows CE.  Don't be surprised if
M$ announces a new promotion for the same market.


From tesral at comcast.net  Thu May 29 15:33:54 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 15:33:54 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] (dis)recommendations for wiki engine
In-Reply-To: <52995d720804250636h6293b2fej26acafcbc9370b78@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080425040038.D844F127CB7@starfox.local>
	<52995d720804250636h6293b2fej26acafcbc9370b78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483F0522.6000201@comcast.net>

Ron Blanchett wrote:
> like dokuWiki, we use it at work.
> And Penguicon uses it for it's wiki, wiki.penguicon.org.
>
>   

How easy is it to set up?

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From muteid10t at gmail.com  Thu May 29 17:15:57 2008
From: muteid10t at gmail.com (Ron Blanchett)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:15:57 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] (dis)recommendations for wiki engine
In-Reply-To: <483F0522.6000201@comcast.net>
References: <20080425040038.D844F127CB7@starfox.local>
	<52995d720804250636h6293b2fej26acafcbc9370b78@mail.gmail.com>
	<483F0522.6000201@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <52995d720805291415p33dd722as60c7ab1773464068@mail.gmail.com>

Dokuwiki is very easy to setup it doesn't even need to use a db for
storage the default is to store everything as a text file



On 5/29/08, Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net> wrote:
> Ron Blanchett wrote:
>> like dokuWiki, we use it at work.
>> And Penguicon uses it for it's wiki, wiki.penguicon.org.
>>
>>
>
> How easy is it to set up?
>
> --
> Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.
>
> Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
> Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
> The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
> Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>

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From otakurider at gmail.com  Thu May 29 21:52:38 2008
From: otakurider at gmail.com (-)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 21:52:38 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] (dis)recommendations for wiki engine
In-Reply-To: <483F0522.6000201@comcast.net>
References: <20080425040038.D844F127CB7@starfox.local>
	<52995d720804250636h6293b2fej26acafcbc9370b78@mail.gmail.com>
	<483F0522.6000201@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <cd5131a50805291852o1b3801bdk9ce7592dc0a7045c@mail.gmail.com>

I would recommend MediWiki or Tikiwiki .  I find MediWiki is more feature
rich, it does take a but longer to setup.

Pat



On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net> wrote:

> Ron Blanchett wrote:
> > like dokuWiki, we use it at work.
> > And Penguicon uses it for it's wiki, wiki.penguicon.org.
> >
> >
>
> How easy is it to set up?
>
> --
> Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.
>
> Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
> Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
> The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
> Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>


From ebielaczyc at gmail.com  Fri May 30 12:19:19 2008
From: ebielaczyc at gmail.com (Ein Bielaczyc)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:19:19 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Export Mounted ISOs
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e90805281215y62bea984o81c83a4825017943@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1211989688.3756.21.camel@nx6110.bielaczyc.is-a-geek.com>
	<b02c40e90805281215y62bea984o81c83a4825017943@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1212164359.3756.44.camel@nx6110.bielaczyc.is-a-geek.com>

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 15:15 -0400, Jeff Hanson wrote:
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Ein Bielaczyc <ebielaczyc at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm trying to export via NFS a mounted ISO. I prefer to install via my
> > network (with PXE & NFS), and I'd like to keep the distros I download in
> > their ISO format (just in case I need to burn it to CD). I can mount the
> > ISO just fine. I know NFS is working because I can copy the data out of
> > the ISO to the file system I can then access them via NFS. But if I try
> > to simply re-export the mounted ISO I see nothing on the remote
> > machines.
> 
> I think it's a matter of "bind" vs. "rbind".  A loop bind will not
> provide access to any sub-mounts in the directory tree while rbind
> will.  Check the mount man page.

Would I then mount the ISO via loop and then re-mount it using the rbind
option to an alternate location?


-- 
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From ebielaczyc at gmail.com  Fri May 30 12:46:29 2008
From: ebielaczyc at gmail.com (Ein Bielaczyc)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:46:29 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Export Mounted ISOs
In-Reply-To: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0371655A9@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
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On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 12:21 -0400, Ingles, Raymond wrote:
> > From: Ein Bielaczyc
> > 
> > I'm trying to export via NFS a mounted ISO.
> 
>  This might help:
> 
>  http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/11435.html
> 

Thanks, but that is what I have done, without using Yast. My NFS clients
see none of the mounted ISO file structure. 

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From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Fri May 30 16:38:32 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 16:38:32 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Export Mounted ISOs
In-Reply-To: <1212164359.3756.44.camel@nx6110.bielaczyc.is-a-geek.com>
References: <1211989688.3756.21.camel@nx6110.bielaczyc.is-a-geek.com>
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On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Ein Bielaczyc <ebielaczyc at gmail.com> wrote:
> Would I then mount the ISO via loop and then re-mount it using the rbind
> option to an alternate location?

On Ubuntu (or maybe it's just a Webmin behavior) when you make an
NFSv4 export it creates a /export directory to be the root of all
epxorts and bind mounts everything through there.  If the target has
sub-mounts then it doesn't work and they have to be changed in fstab.
You're not using Ubuntu so I'm not sure how it is set up.

On Ubuntu the file /var/lib/nfs/etab lists all current exports with
all settings active (default, implied, and explicit).  It might reveal
more about what exactly is being exported and how.


From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Fri May 30 16:42:15 2008
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 16:42:15 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Export Mounted ISOs
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e90805301338q6ce83ed6yc9dbfd63f8498a2d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1211989688.3756.21.camel@nx6110.bielaczyc.is-a-geek.com><b02c40e90805281215y62bea984o81c83a4825017943@mail.gmail.com><1212164359.3756.44.camel@nx6110.bielaczyc.is-a-geek.com>
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This is part of the security structure of nfs4.  You set up a directory
to be your export 'root' (usually /export as you mentioned), and clients
will mount relative to that.  So if you set up /export/isos, and in
/etc/exports you have /export marked as 'fsid=0', then on the client you
would just:

mount -t nfs4 nfsserver:/isos /mnt

Of course, this is only if you are using nfs4.

Greg Wojtak
The Linux Fix
http://www.thelinuxfix.com/

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From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf
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Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 4:39 PM
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Export Mounted ISOs

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Ein Bielaczyc <ebielaczyc at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Would I then mount the ISO via loop and then re-mount it using the
rbind
> option to an alternate location?

On Ubuntu (or maybe it's just a Webmin behavior) when you make an
NFSv4 export it creates a /export directory to be the root of all
epxorts and bind mounts everything through there.  If the target has
sub-mounts then it doesn't work and they have to be changed in fstab.
You're not using Ubuntu so I'm not sure how it is set up.

On Ubuntu the file /var/lib/nfs/etab lists all current exports with
all settings active (default, implied, and explicit).  It might reveal
more about what exactly is being exported and how.
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From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Fri May 30 16:55:16 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 16:55:16 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Export Mounted ISOs
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	<b02c40e90805281215y62bea984o81c83a4825017943@mail.gmail.com>
	<1212164359.3756.44.camel@nx6110.bielaczyc.is-a-geek.com>
	<b02c40e90805301338q6ce83ed6yc9dbfd63f8498a2d@mail.gmail.com>
	<8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE05ADAD69@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
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On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Wojtak, Greg
<GregWojtak at quickenloans.com> wrote:
> This is part of the security structure of nfs4.  You set up a directory
> to be your export 'root' (usually /export as you mentioned), and clients
> will mount relative to that.  So if you set up /export/isos, and in
> /etc/exports you have /export marked as 'fsid=0', then on the client you
> would just:
>
> mount -t nfs4 nfsserver:/isos /mnt
>
> Of course, this is only if you are using nfs4.

Yes, I know.  I was referring to it's defaulting to "bind" instead of
"rbind" for the mounts in /export.


From rkannan at peoplepc.com  Thu May  1 09:42:46 2008
From: rkannan at peoplepc.com (R. Kannan)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 09:42:46 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [mdlug] Boot floppy in knoppix
Message-ID: <18448936.1209649366353.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hello,

I have a very old system which does not boot on cdrom (No jokes please :-)) and whose hard drives I want to clean up before discarding (recycling). 

I tried to create knoppix boot floppies using the instructions at

http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Boot_Floppy_HowTo

on another machine which boots from CD. When I tried to boot the same machine with a boot floopy,it prompted me for the second floppy with...

"Insert floppy with miniroot and press ENTER"

and when I inserted the second floppy and pressed 'ENTER', it failed with

Error 15: file not found

I should mention that the 'grub-install' did not find all my devices and so I added the following line to device.map in the floppy manually.

(cd)<TAB>/dev/scd0

I am not sure about the syntax of the device name here. Should that be /dev/hdc instead?

TIA for any help

RajK


________________________________________
PeoplePC Online
A better way to Internet
http://www.peoplepc.com


From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Thu May  1 10:00:14 2008
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:00:14 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Boot floppy in knoppix
In-Reply-To: <18448936.1209649366353.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E037165557@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: R. Kannan

> I have a very old system which does not boot on cdrom (No 
> jokes please :-)) and whose hard drives I want to clean up 
> before discarding (recycling). 

 On the Ubuntu CD is "Smart Boot Manager", a boot floppy that can then boot
from a CD-ROM, at least on one system I had that wouldn't boot properly from
a CD-ROM.

 http://sourceforge.net/projects/btmgr/

 There's also Darik's Boot And Nuke:

 http://dban.sourceforge.net/

 A boot floppy that just starts up and wipes all the hard drives on the system.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                     (313) 227-2317

 Linux is as much about being Communist, as is the phrase, "of
 the people, by the people, and for the people". - Jon Sculley
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From robert.citek at gmail.com  Thu May  1 10:05:09 2008
From: robert.citek at gmail.com (Robert Citek)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 09:05:09 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Boot floppy in knoppix
In-Reply-To: <18448936.1209649366353.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <18448936.1209649366353.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4145b6790805010705q4d808c03je6ea367f373ef41f@mail.gmail.com>

Some alternative solutions:

1) dban - see section 2.3 of the readme.txt file for how to put the
image on a floppy under Linux.  Wiping old drives on old systems will
take a long time, i.e. possibly hours.

  http://dban.sourceforge.net/

2) if you are a little less patient but curious, remove the drives and
disassemble them.  You'll get some really cool magnets and some shiny
patters for use in art work.

3) if you are not patient and could care less about art, remove the
drives and drive a nail through each of them.  Although, I guess some
people might consider that art.  :)

Regards,
- Robert

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 8:42 AM, R. Kannan <rkannan at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>  I have a very old system which does not boot on cdrom (No jokes please :-)) and whose hard drives I want to clean up before discarding (recycling).


From peter at petertheplumber.net  Thu May  1 10:11:19 2008
From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:11:19 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Boot floppy in knoppix
In-Reply-To: <18448936.1209649366353.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <18448936.1209649366353.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20080501101119.0286be22@Nokia-N800-26>

On Thu, 1 May 2008 09:42:46 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
"R. Kannan" <rkannan at peoplepc.com> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I have a very old system which does not boot on cdrom (No jokes
> please :-)) and whose hard drives I want to clean up before
> discarding (recycling). 
> 

	I've used the DSL boot floppy successfully
<http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/Boot_Floppies>.

Best Regards,

-- 
Peter The Plumber sm on the Road


From peter at petertheplumber.net  Thu May  1 10:11:19 2008
From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:11:19 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Boot floppy in knoppix
In-Reply-To: <18448936.1209649366353.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <18448936.1209649366353.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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On Thu, 1 May 2008 09:42:46 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
"R. Kannan" <rkannan at peoplepc.com> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I have a very old system which does not boot on cdrom (No jokes
> please :-)) and whose hard drives I want to clean up before
> discarding (recycling). 
> 

	I've used the DSL boot floppy successfully
<http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/Boot_Floppies>.

Best Regards,

-- 
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From tcameron at redhat.com  Thu May  1 14:41:31 2008
From: tcameron at redhat.com (Thomas Cameron (Red Hat))
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 13:41:31 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Red Hat Summit
Message-ID: <481A0EDB.1020705@redhat.com>

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Hey All -

Red Hat Summit is only about 6 weeks away, still time to register.

I'll be co-presenting with another Red Hatter, Lon Hohberger, on high
availability/application clustering with Red Hat Advanced Platform
(formerly a feature of Red Hat Cluster Suite).

Agenda is at http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/2008/agenda/schedule.html

Sign up at http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/2008/ - early bird pricing
through May 24th.

Cheers,
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From rkannan at peoplepc.com  Thu May  1 21:42:44 2008
From: rkannan at peoplepc.com (R. Kannan)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 21:42:44 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [mdlug] Boot floppy in knoppix
Message-ID: <5558376.1209692564414.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Thanks to all who suggested Darik's Boot And Nuke.

It worked perfectly.

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Ingles, Raymond" <Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com>
>Sent: May 1, 2008 10:00 AM
>To: "R. Kannan" <rkannan at peoplepc.com>, MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
>Subject: RE: [mdlug] Boot floppy in knoppix
>
>> From: R. Kannan
>
>> I have a very old system which does not boot on cdrom (No 
>> jokes please :-)) and whose hard drives I want to clean up 
>> before discarding (recycling). 
>
> On the Ubuntu CD is "Smart Boot Manager", a boot floppy that can then boot
>from a CD-ROM, at least on one system I had that wouldn't boot properly from
>a CD-ROM.
>
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/btmgr/
>
> There's also Darik's Boot And Nuke:
>
> http://dban.sourceforge.net/
>
> A boot floppy that just starts up and wipes all the hard drives on the system.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ray Ingles                                     (313) 227-2317
>
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From akulkis03 at gmail.com  Fri May  2 10:49:24 2008
From: akulkis03 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 10:49:24 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [opensuse-offtopic] HP Breakthrough Could Spawn
 Computers That Don't Forget]
Message-ID: <481B29F4.9020108@gmail.com>

HP Breakthrough Could Spawn Computers That Don't Forget

Katherine Noyes
05/01/08 10:49 AM PT

HP has added a fourth circuit element to the known lineup. Previously, 
there were three: the resistor, the capacitor and the inductor. Until 
now, the fourth, known as the "memristor," had merely been a theory, 
albeit one going back to the 1970s. HP scientists didn't stop at 
mathematical proof of the memristor's existence, though -- they produced 
a physical model. The technology could be used to make computers' 
working memory more efficient, and also enable it to store data when 
powered down.

http://www.technewsworld.com/edpick/62834.html

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From akulkis03 at gmail.com  Fri May  2 11:00:28 2008
From: akulkis03 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 11:00:28 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: Re: [opensuse-offtopic] Trial with KUbuntu 8.04.]
Message-ID: <481B2C8C.3050106@gmail.com>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [opensuse-offtopic] Trial with KUbuntu 8.04.
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 21:34:03 +0200
From: Clayton <smaug42 at gmail.com>
To: opensuse-offtopic <opensuse-offtopic at opensuse.org>
References: <481858E9.7030503 at lightlink.com>	 
<60fb01490804301118t2a5edecev3c0773f3e993d8db at mail.gmail.com>	 
<48199181.6020204 at lightlink.com>

Just a little more on this Ubuntu vs SUSE testing that a few of us are 
doing...

I have a second PC that is my dedicated media center... it is an Asus
P2... specifically, this one:
http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1797&l1=1&l2=3&l3=483&l4=0
I dropped in 1GB of ram, an AMD Semperon64 1100LW (1.9GHz) CPU, and a
320GB SATA drive.  On that hardware I installed Mythbuntu 8.04 (64 bit
version).  Install time was about 20 minutes from initial boot to
being up and running.  The install was very easy and quick.  But..
that is when the problem started.  After the usual initial application
update via Synaptic, the restricted hardware driver thing popped up
and offered to install the ATI video driver.  I clicked through, and
then it asked to reboot.. did so... no video on restart.  The auto
installer set the default resolution out of range for the LCD TV that
is attached to the PC.  Got around that, and the GUI was back up and
running again.

Set up my USB DVB-T tuner and the network mount to my recorded
media... all ok so far.. indexed the media, tested the TV... the video
was unwatchable.. constant video stuttering.  I checked CPU load, and
the Mythfrontend was pegging the CPU at 100%.  After several hours of
settings tinkering I got it down to 80% on average and it was mostly
watchable.... for a while... after 10 minutes or so, it started
stuttering again, and the only way to return to watchable video was to
restart the LiveTV module.  Audio was even a huge pain with the volume
constantly resetting to zero (I had to use alsamixer to reset the
Master and PCM volumes every hour or so)

I finally got tired of this thing not working right, so decided to try
the 32 bit install of Mythbuntu... again about 20 minutes from initial
boot to fully installed and configured system (including API video
drivers)... but the video in LiveTV was so bad it was like watching a
slow slide show.  No amount of tinkering could make the video level
out and be watchable.  CPU stayed pegged at 100% the whole time.

Dumped it all and installed openSUSE10.3 (KDE 1cd install).  The
install took a couple of hours... as usual.  Nothing new there.
Installed Smart, updated everything, stripped out the bits I don't
need, and installed MythTV, MySQL, MPlayer, the w32codecs and a few
other things... configured MythTV and started up LiveTV... perfect.
Checked CPU use... 15 to 20% on average with default settings.  i
tinkered a little, set the video resolution up to 1024x768 (this is an
LCD TV) and the transcoding resolution to high quality... started up
LiveTV again... 30% CPU and perfectly smooth video.

openSUSE as a MythTV center was a LOT harder to set up in comparison.
It took a considerably higher Linux skill and knowledge to get up and
running (starting/stopping services, MySQL knowledge to load initial
database, knowing how to use SAX2 to set up video, knowing what
supporting apps to install for MythTV etc etc)... especially when
compared to the Mythbuntu "here is everything you need and everything
is done for you" approach.  But. in the end, the openSUSE MythTV
install is the one that works properly.

C.
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [opensuse-offtopic] Trial with KUbuntu 8.04.
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 04:23:07 -0400
From: Fred A. Miller <fmiller at lightlink.com>
Reply-To: fmiller at lightlink.com
To: opensuse-offtopic <opensuse-offtopic at opensuse.org>
References: <481858E9.7030503 at lightlink.com>	 
<60fb01490804301118t2a5edecev3c0773f3e993d8db at mail.gmail.com>	 
<48199181.6020204 at lightlink.com> 
<e29967880805011234s4447b560j4a0ce9f52151b59d at mail.gmail.com>

Clayton wrote:
 > Just a little more on this Ubuntu vs SUSE testing that a few of us 
are doing...
 >
 > I have a second PC that is my dedicated media center... it is an Asus
 > P2... specifically, this one:

[snip]

Interesting. I wanted to add that I and others have noted that there's
no firewall that stars up in the Ubuntu/KUbuntu installs, and further,
you must add software to setup a firewall, which a newbie ISN'T going to
be able to do easily!

As an aside, openSUSE needs to have Yast setup a firewall to STAY
active, not drop out ever time you change to a different access point or
device.

Fred

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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [opensuse-offtopic] Trial with KUbuntu 8.04.
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:43:09 +0200
From: Clayton <smaug42 at gmail.com>
To: opensuse-offtopic <opensuse-offtopic at opensuse.org>
References: <481858E9.7030503 at lightlink.com>	 
<60fb01490804301118t2a5edecev3c0773f3e993d8db at mail.gmail.com>	 
<48199181.6020204 at lightlink.com>	 
<e29967880805011234s4447b560j4a0ce9f52151b59d at mail.gmail.com>	 
<481ACF6B.9010908 at lightlink.com>

 >  Interesting. I wanted to add that I and others have noted that 
there's no
 > firewall that stars up in the Ubuntu/KUbuntu installs, and further, 
you must
 > add software to setup a firewall, which a newbie ISN'T going to be 
able to
 > do easily!

Yup.  The recommended way (from what I read) for Ubuntu is usually to
go with Firestarter... but if you don't know it's not there, and that
you need to add it from the repositories... well it seems like a
*major* oversight to me.  The firewall should be on by default - it
could be as simple as including Firestarter as part of the default
desktop (Firestarter being pretty easy to use for a new Linux user).
I really appreciate that openSUSE includes a firewall that is on by
default.


C.


From jjn at nuge.com  Fri May  2 17:52:36 2008
From: jjn at nuge.com (Jay Nugent)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 17:52:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] *** MDLUG.ORG ON GENERATOR ***
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805021749120.6323-100000@home.nuge.com>

Greetings all,
   We had a brownout here around 15:45.  L1 and L2 voltages are both at 85
to 90 vac.  I am now on generator and have enough fuel onsight for at
least 8 hours and probably closer to 12 hours.  Plus a smaller "backup"  
backup generator with about 2 additional hours of fuel.

   DTE Energy has been informed of the brownout.

   We wait and see...

      --- Jay 
             
In response to the issue about dumbing-down Amateur Radio, a fellow Ham 
said:    "Would you like fries with that emergency communication?"
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From jjn at nuge.com  Fri May  2 19:00:00 2008
From: jjn at nuge.com (Jay Nugent)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 19:00:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] *** MDLUG.ORG ON GENERATOR ***
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805021749120.6323-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805021854540.8194-100000@home.nuge.com>

Greetings,
   DTE Emergy reported that they had a failed transformer and it needed to
be replaced.  They gave an ETR of 20:30 this evening.

   However, as of 18:50 the line voltages were back to normal and I have 
swtiched back to coomercial mains and shut down the generator.  We will 
keep the umbilical cable in place tonight just in case...

   www.mdlug.org continues to serve up webpages and spew email without
interruption :)

      --- Jay Nugent


On Fri, 2 May 2008, Jay Nugent wrote:

> Greetings all,
>    We had a brownout here around 15:45.  L1 and L2 voltages are both at 85
> to 90 vac.  I am now on generator and have enough fuel onsight for at
> least 8 hours and probably closer to 12 hours.  Plus a smaller "backup"  
> backup generator with about 2 additional hours of fuel.
> 
>    DTE Energy has been informed of the brownout.
> 
>    We wait and see...
> 
>       --- Jay 




From driveray at ameritech.net  Sat May  3 06:52:08 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 06:52:08 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] *** MDLUG.ORG ON GENERATOR ***
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805021854540.8194-100000@home.nuge.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805021854540.8194-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <481C43D8.5010301@ameritech.net>

Good job Jay. Thanks.

Raymond McLaughlin

Jay Nugent wrote:
> Greetings,
>    DTE Emergy reported that they had a failed transformer and it needed to
> be replaced.  They gave an ETR of 20:30 this evening.
> 
>    However, as of 18:50 the line voltages were back to normal and I have 
> swtiched back to coomercial mains and shut down the generator.  We will 
> keep the umbilical cable in place tonight just in case...
> 
>    www.mdlug.org continues to serve up webpages and spew email without
> interruption :)
> 
>       --- Jay Nugent
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2 May 2008, Jay Nugent wrote:
> 
>> Greetings all,
>>    We had a brownout here around 15:45.  L1 and L2 voltages are both at 85
>> to 90 vac.  I am now on generator and have enough fuel onsight for at
>> least 8 hours and probably closer to 12 hours.  Plus a smaller "backup"  
>> backup generator with about 2 additional hours of fuel.
>>
>>    DTE Energy has been informed of the brownout.
>>
>>    We wait and see...
>>
>>       --- Jay 


From peter at petertheplumber.net  Sun May  4 10:03:12 2008
From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 10:03:12 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] External Hard Drive as Backup
In-Reply-To: <20080430094720.40f3bbe2@Nokia-N800-26>
References: <20080430094720.40f3bbe2@Nokia-N800-26>
Message-ID: <1209909792.20951.98.camel@peter-notebook.site>


On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 09:47 -0400, Peter Bart wrote:
> Hello All,
>     I've decided to at least get an inexpensive hard drive for around
> $150-$200 that holds at least 500gig to be used to sync two notebooks
> too. I almost bought an external  Buffalo drive with usb and firewire.
> Then I saw a review that claimed the drive itself was simply a
> repackaged Western Digital. I don't really want one of those. Am I down
> to buying a sata drive and an enclosure? Does firewire offer higher
> speeds than usb or can I open my options a little by dispensing with
> firewire? Should I consider paying a little more and getting a NAS with
> ethernet? 
>     Once I get one, how should I format it so I would be able to sync
> two notebooks with /root, /boot, /usr, /swap, /var, /tmp, /opt
> and /home partitions. Just two ext3 partitions, one for each notebook?
> Or must I replicate my partitioning scheme twice over on the 'backup'
> drive? It would also be nice to be able to boot directly from the
> 'backup' drive via usb or other, must I do something special for that to
> happen?

	Thanks for all the answers and suggestions. I've decided to go with two
320 GB external usb/firewire hard drives
<http://www.simpletech.com/parts/spuf35320.htm>. One for each notebook.
Then format them to my partitioning scheme, load openSUSE 10.3
<http://www.novell.com/communities/node/4536>, then use rsync to
transfer /home. Then use rsync to transfer everything else. From there,
use rsync to transfer /home on a weekly? schedule and the rest on a
monthly? schedule.  The thinking is that if something were to go wrong
with the OS and not get noticed right away it wouldn't necessarily
affect the backup. But /home would be a more recent copy. I am getting
firewire even though it's a security hole, actually both usb and
firewire. I'm using physical security to keep them safe. The rationale
would be once someone has physical access to any device you should
consider it compromised. Hopefully this will allow me to boot almost
immediately from a backup should the primary drive become corrupted,
without having to restore.

Best Regards,
-- 
Peter Bart <peter at petertheplumber.net>
http://petertheplumber.net



From driveray at ameritech.net  Sun May  4 11:15:55 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 11:15:55 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Presidents Mail Bag
Message-ID: <481DD32B.2050109@ameritech.net>

Any one want a job in Wisconsin?

---------------------------------------------------

Attn: Raymond McLaughlin
Can you post this position on your User Group web site ( Metro Detroit
Linux Users Group - MDLUG ) or forward this position to the members of
your organization.

I have a UNIX and LINUX System Administrator position with Kimberly
Clark in Neenah, Wisconsin.   If you have any additional questions regarding

this position, please feel free to call or email me.



Kimberly Clark, a global health and hygiene leader, and our trusted
brands are an indispensable part of life for 1.3 billion people in more
than 150 countries.

Kimberly Clark has been helping generations of families improve the
quality of their lives, to ensuring the health of our employees and the
environment.

We believe in recruiting the best people and putting them in the right
jobs so that they can do their best work. K-C?s IT organization is seeking a

UNIX and Linux Systems Engineer.

Summary:
K-C?s IT solution provides services to over 300 sites globally with
servers located throughout the world. K-C has about 100 UNIX and Linux
servers that run on HP hardware.

Responsibilities:
? Provide support for the architecture, standards, design,
infrastructure deployment, operational, and software support for K-C?s
UNIX and Linux environments.
? Provide support on other UNIX and Linux applications including Metro
Cluster and Linux high-performance clustering.
? Consult with IT engineers from other disciplines and effective work
across multiple organizational boundaries
? Coach and teach team members and K-C?s outsourced delivery partners

Basic Qualifications:
? A Bachelors degree along with 7 or more years relevant experience or
more than 9 years of applied IT experience.
? Must have UNIX and Linux system administration skills and 7 to 9 years
experience with high availability, high performance and SAN environments.

Preferred Qualifications:
? The experience is preferred to be primarily from a corporate environment.
? Exposure to or any experience with HP-UX Metro Cluster, Service Guard
and Active Directory / LDAP is a plus.

Other:
? Strong analytical and problem-solving skills
? Professional presence and business diplomacy skills

Equal Opportunity Employer

Apply online at www.kc-careers.com and enter Requisition ID 2491.





Russell Meggie

Sr Recruiter

Accenture HR Services

469-665-1183



From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Tue May  6 12:41:32 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:41:32 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Allband Communications Cooperative - are they nuts?
Message-ID: <b02c40e90805060941t6ea28a81iaf16257e10105364@mail.gmail.com>

(I'm cross-posting this to mug, mdlug, and lugwash as I'm sure there
are some telco members but I don't know who.)

I've recently received some info about this independent ILEC planning
to run fiber in a rural part of the L.P. that doesn't have even basic
telco service.  There is a reason there isn't any service.  This isn't
just rural, it's primitive.  It's boundary appears to include at least
part of some hunting property my family owns.  Most of the local area
is hunting/vacation property and much of it doesn't have electricity.
Regardless of the federal backing and educational tie-ins I can't see
how this is sustainable unless the target market is deer.  Their
predicted service rates (http://www.allband.org/services.shtml) seem
competitive to Verizon but when you look at the big picture it's near
fantasy.  The population density is so low it would be difficult to
justify WiMAX.

Here are some news articles:
http://zgli.fimc.net/Article.asp?id=212283&spid=8936
http://zgli.fimc.net/article.asp?id=313283

Their faq says they will provide solar panels for customers who don't
have electricity.  For $20 I'll take it if I can get it but I think
they're loony.  Has anyone heard of this project?


From treii28 at yahoo.com  Wed May  7 12:00:27 2008
From: treii28 at yahoo.com (Scott Webster Wood)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 09:00:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] xorg on ATI 9250 w/s-video
Message-ID: <770508.45969.qm@web38005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Does anyone have any experience with configuring s-video ports on ATI
graphics cards?  I've been trying to get mine working with no luck.  I
can't even seem to see it with atitvout:

# atitvout -r tvout
Forcing Radeon/Rage 128 mode
VBE call failed.
Maybe this command is not supported by your graphics adapter?
Did your parameters (if you specified some) really make sense?
Please try all other available commands before complaining!
#

Same
result without -r.  I've tried more configurations than I care to
remember - nothing even caused so much as a flicker on the s-video. 
The card is a pci based card and lspci shows it as follow:

00:09.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (rev 01)
00:09.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (Secondary) (rev 01)

Here's
the relevant stuff from my current config.  I've also tried the 'vesa'
driver on the second device (for the s-video) with no luck.  I've also
tried fglrx and tried detecting/controlling the s-video using fglrx's
accompanying aticonfig utility - nada! (I couldn't even get fglrx to bring up the main display - tried both the fedora version and the one from the ati website)

Any help would be appreciated.
---------------------------
Section "ServerLayout"
        Option      "Clone" "on"
        Identifier     "Multihead layout"
        Screen      0  "CRT" LeftOf "LCDTV"
        Screen      1  "LCDTV" 0 0
        InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
        Option      "Xinerama" "off"
EndSection

Section "Files"
        ModulePath   "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"
        Option      "DefaultServerLayout" "Multihead layout"
        Option      "AIGLX" "on"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
        Identifier   "CompaqP110"
        VendorName   "Compaq"
        ModelName    "P110 Color Monitor"
        HorizSync    30.0 - 107.0
        VertRefresh  48.0 - 160.0
        Option       "DPMS"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
        UseModes "HDTV"
        Identifier   "LCDTV"
        VendorName   "Syntax"
        ModelName    "Olevia LT23HVX"
        HorizSync    30.0 - 83.0
        VertRefresh  56.0 - 75.0
        Option       "DPMS"
        Option       "XVideoBlitterSyncToVBlank" "0"
        Option       "XVideoTextureSyncToVBlank" "0"
EndSection

Section "Device"
        Identifier  "ATI9200Pro"
         #Driver    "fglrx"
        Driver      "radeon"
        VendorName  "ATI"
        BoardName   "ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (Secondary)"
        Option      "OpenGLOverlay" "off"
        Option      "VideoOverlay" "on"
EndSection

Section "Device"
        Identifier  "ATI9200Pro2"
        #Driver    "vesa"
         #Driver    "fglrx"
        Driver      "radeon"
        VendorName  "ATI"
        BoardName   "ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (Secondary)"
        Option      "OpenGLOverlay" "off"
        Option      "VideoOverlay" "on"
        BusID       "PCI:0:9:1"
        Screen      1
EndSection

Section "Screen"
        Identifier "CRT"
        Device     "ATI9200Pro"
        Monitor    "CompaqP110"
        DefaultDepth     24
        SubSection "Display"
                Viewport   0 0
                Depth     24
 
              Modes    "1600x1200" "1600x1024" "1440x900" "1400x1050"
"1360x768" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1280x800" "1280x768" "1280x720"
"1152x864" "1152x768" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400"
"640x480" "640x400" "640x350"
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        Identifier "LCDTV"
        Device     "ATI9200Pro2"
        Monitor    "LCDTV"
        DefaultDepth     24
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                Viewport   0 0
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From tesral at comcast.net  Wed May  7 13:04:02 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 13:04:02 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Mount point
Message-ID: <4821E102.9010807@comcast.net>

What is the best mount point for a USB drive to be used on multiple
machines?  Permissions as well.  It needs to be accessible to all users.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From akulkis03 at gmail.com  Wed May  7 14:38:01 2008
From: akulkis03 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 14:38:01 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Mount point
In-Reply-To: <4821E102.9010807@comcast.net>
References: <4821E102.9010807@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4821F709.7080405@gmail.com>

Garry Stahl wrote:
> What is the best mount point for a USB drive to be used on multiple
> machines?  Permissions as well.  It needs to be accessible to all users.
> 

Normally, I give a USB drive a meaningful label (using fdisk or 
whatever), and then use use mount-by-label.

MOUNT POINTS:"start with 777 then manipulate permissions to taste
just like you would any other directory tree.

You might want to try mode 1777 (sticky bit on... everyone can read
and write to a directory, but nobody can remove any file or directory
which doesn't match their UID or GID.

Here are some examples of mount-by-label:
akulkis at kulkis:~> cat /etc/fstab

LABEL=10_3_64_ROOT  /   ext3    acl,user_xattr    1 1
LABEL=_BOOT   /boot     ext3    acl,user_xattr    1 2
LABEL=_HOME   /home     xfs     defaults          1 2
LABEL=_LOCAL  /local    xfs     defaults          1 2
LABEL=_TMP    /tmp      xfs     defaults          1 2
LABEL=_USR    /usr      xfs     defaults          1 2
LABEL=_VAR    /var      xfs     defaults          1 2

You can use labels for swapspace, too:

LABEL=SWAP     swap     swap    pri=00            0 0
LABEL=EMERSWAP swap     swap    defaults          0 0



From driveray at ameritech.net  Wed May  7 14:53:11 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 14:53:11 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Mount point
In-Reply-To: <4821E102.9010807@comcast.net>
References: <4821E102.9010807@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4821FA97.6010605@ameritech.net>

Garry Stahl wrote:
> What is the best mount point for a USB drive to be used on multiple
> machines?  Permissions as well.  It needs to be accessible to all users.
> 

Although "best" is always debatable most distros mount them somewhere
under /media. Assuming the USB drive is formated fat32, then it has a
MS-DOS volume label. SuSE, and many other distros will first look for
such a volume label when choosing a mount point.

There exist Linux tools for changing MS-DOS volume labels, but it really
easier and safer to do it in a windows machine. Explorer--><Right
click>Drive letter of USB Device-->Properties-->Type in new volume
label, like Garys_USB.

With the Volume Label set this way it will be mounted in the
unmistakable location /media/Garys_USB.

If by "It needs to be accessible to all users." you mean read-write
accessible, there are other issues. I see Aaron beat me to the
explanation of permissions. (You can't use fdisk to modify volume
labels.) Basically you need to create a permanent mount point for the
drive, and add a line like Aaron described. Getting it to magically
mount on insertion could still be tricky.

Raymond McLaughlin


From mdlug at sbcglobal.net  Wed May  7 23:50:30 2008
From: mdlug at sbcglobal.net (Dean Durant)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 20:50:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] I tried to donate (via paypal)
Message-ID: <676366.7784.qm@web81808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It may not be much, but there is potentially more to come.  Iused paypal to attempt to send $25 to treasurer at md### dot gro (address nospammed)
and it came back.  I'll still donate that, and that's for past help.   I appreciate all the help people have given me over the years.   It isn't anywhere near enough.   It could be more.   To pay for answers to questions seems perfectly appropriate.   It's long overdue.    So is there a way to get this in place?

Thanks, Dean


From mdlug at sbcglobal.net  Wed May  7 23:54:48 2008
From: mdlug at sbcglobal.net (Dean Durant)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 20:54:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] yet another squid question
Message-ID: <148848.65312.qm@web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello, my current squid server is working pretty well.  But, when people are using webmail, and they try to upload an attachment of say > 50K, or even > 20K, it times out.   On the old squid server, the one I inherited and modeled the current one after, this is not a problem.   So yes, I have to study the differences, and no it's not particularly pressing.   I imagine I'll figure it out in due time.   But does anyone have any ideas?   Would this be incompatible under transparent proxying?   If I don't have a valid SSL certificate, would that be a problem?    https seems to work otherwise without it.   Thanks!


From mdlug at sbcglobal.net  Thu May  8 00:02:40 2008
From: mdlug at sbcglobal.net (Dean Durant)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 21:02:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] m$ vs google (re: post from days gone by)
Message-ID: <535256.71146.qm@web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I wonder if it's occurred to anyone at Google to release their internal
desktop distro?
Why not? Someone needs to fill the gap left by Vista. A huge name would
add credibility. AT&T, IBM, Xerox, HP?   Someone must have that appetite.   AT&T, nothing ever stopped them before, except Reagan / Uncle Sam, and even then not really... (Ma Bell is back, yes?)   Still under restriction to not make money from Unix?   Except it's not unix,not technically, and they wouldn't need to make a fortune from it...  Xerox, parc place, didn't they invent the first GUI?    HP, don't they need some kind of OS winner right about now?    

David Lane wrote:
> This is a good article, Even though  it is not linux. Google's core is Linux and could not get that big with the MS pricing model.
>
>
> http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200804211232DOWJONESDJONLINE000552_FORTUNE5.htm
>
> David C. Lane 
>
>
>
>
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From akulkis03 at gmail.com  Thu May  8 00:28:46 2008
From: akulkis03 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 00:28:46 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] I tried to donate (via paypal)
In-Reply-To: <676366.7784.qm@web81808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <676366.7784.qm@web81808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4822817E.80504@gmail.com>

Dean Durant wrote:
> It may not be much, but there is potentially more to come.  Iused paypal to attempt to send $25 to treasurer at md### dot gro (address nospammed)
> and it came back.  I'll still donate that, and that's for past help.   I appreciate all the help people have given me over the years.   It isn't anywhere near enough.   It could be more.   To pay for answers to questions seems perfectly appropriate.   It's long overdue.    So is there a way to get this in place?
> 

There's a meeting this Saturday.


From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Wed May  7 11:11:57 2008
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:11:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Fw: PHP Developer Opening
Message-ID: <817435.89279.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hat guys I got a hit from this recruiter looking for a strong .PHP programmer.  I'm moving to New York and though I would love to take the job I have already accepted a job in New York. And Yes I will be continuing my education.  

Take a look at the attached job specs.  If you are strong in OOP, in my conversation that was emphasized quite a bit.

David 



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Steve Grimm <sgrimm at brooksource.com>
To: dcl400m at yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2008 10:02:16 AM
Subject: PHP Developer Opening

 
Hi David,
 
Thank you for your time today.  It sounds like you?re in a very
good situation in New York 
and I definitely understand why you?re passing on this position.  Shoot me over a copy of your resume,
though, and if something opens that is more along the lines of your
salary-requirement, I will definitely let you know.
 
I have attached a copy of the job description to this
email.  I would greatly appreciate
it if you would send it over to anyone you know who would be interested, or to
any resources that might have an available candidate.  I will take a look for some
Michigan-based Linux user groups and see if I can find someone.  Thanks for the advice!
 
Have a great day, David.
 
Steve
 
*************************
Steve Grimm
Technical Recruiter
Brooksource
248.374.9048
www.brooksource.com
People.Technology. Success.


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From ml at adamdein.com  Thu May  8 12:06:22 2008
From: ml at adamdein.com (ml at adamdein.com)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 12:06:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] OT: Intel Mac Mini for sale...
In-Reply-To: <21846420.01210262468300.JavaMail.SYSTEM@E1715>
Message-ID: <21954678.21210262785774.JavaMail.SYSTEM@E1715>

Hey guys,

I have an intel mac mini that I'm ready to let go of. Details are as
follows:

Intel mac mini
--2ghz Core Duo processor
--2GB Ram
--100GB internal HD
--2x 400GB External Drives
(Firewire or USB). Built in USB hubs. Mac Mini shaped so they stack
nice. I use one as storage and the other as TimeMachine.
--Built in Bluetooth, Wifi, and SuperDrive.
--Includes IR Remote for use as media device (FrontRow).
--Fully updated Leopard (10.5.2 I think..)

https://mail.adamdein.com/pics

Beware the pics. They're hi-res.

$600

Thanks!

--Adam
adam at adamdein.com




From list1c30fe42 at bellsouth.net  Thu May  8 14:50:07 2008
From: list1c30fe42 at bellsouth.net (Robert Meier)
Date: Thu,  8 May 2008 14:50:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] I tried to donate (via paypal)
In-Reply-To: <676366.7784.qm@web81808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (message from Dean
	Durant on Wed, 7 May 2008 20:50:30 -0700 (PDT))
References: <676366.7784.qm@web81808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080508185007.27F18127CB7@starfox.local>

Dean,

I've seen no response, so I'll pipe up.

> It may not be much, but there is potentially more to come.

Thank you.

> Iused paypal to attempt to send $25 to treasurer at
> md### dot gro (address nospammed) and it came back.

Most cash donations to mdlug have been in the form of paying
extra for catered goods at the mdlug meetings (already priced
100% above cost).   The catering fund goes strictly to defray
cost of server and DNS.  If you can't attend a meeting,
the caterer (or any other officer under Contacts) will, I'm sure,
be willing to act as your agent upon receiving a check via smail.

> I'll still donate that, and that's for past help.
> I appreciate all the help people have given me over the years.
> It isn't anywhere near enough.   It could be more.
> To pay for answers to questions seems perfectly appropriate.
> It's long overdue.

You are welcome.

> So is there a way to get this in place?

See above.

Hopefully helpful,
-- 
Bob

  "Real Patriots, who may resist the intrigues of the favourite, are liable
   to become suspected and odious; while its tools and dupes usurp the
   applause & confidence of the people, to surrender their interests."
	 -- George Washington



From rkannan at peoplepc.com  Sun May 11 10:07:22 2008
From: rkannan at peoplepc.com (R. Kannan)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 10:07:22 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [mdlug] Latest version of flash player crashes firefox
Message-ID: <4471306.1210514842932.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi,

I installed  firefox 2.0.0.14 recently but the flashplayer was old. When I installed the latest version of flashplayer plugin (9.0) installed, firefox crashes every time I go to website with flash. I had flash-block enabled. I un-installed flash-block but that did not help either. I tried both the rpm and tarred version of the flash-block from the Adobe site. The only option was to remove the plugin from /opt/firefox/plugins.

Any ideas?

TIA for any pointers.

________________________________________
PeoplePC Online
A better way to Internet
http://www.peoplepc.com


From rrclark at rrclark.net  Mon May 12 14:42:15 2008
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (Rich Clark <rrclark@rrclark.net>)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 14:42:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] A Thank You
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.1.00.0805121438370.18035@rich.private.rrclark.net>

I caught wind of this on Groklaw this afternoon and thought it important 
enough to share, since many of you I'd want to thank for everything that 
I've ever learned about Linux since associating with MDLUG some 8 or 9 
years ago. Why reinvent the wheel?

From
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-May/004196.html:

-----
I would just like to say...
Robert Azinger roboghast at yahoo.com
Sun May 11 05:38:23 BST 2008

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     * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]


This post is for all of you out there who have developed or contributed to 
Linux/Ubuntu projects and all of the open source coders who read this.  I 
do not know where to send a post like this so I hope this one email will 
find its way in the sea of posts out there.

I thank you to the point of tears.

Earlier this week I installed Kubuntu on a refurbished AMD computer I 
purchased for $184 from a discount online vendor, it came with no OS. It 
now runs like a champ.

We cant afford much and this was my 14 year old daughter's birthday 
present this past week. She is overjoyed. And she is already trying to 
tackle Adept Manager and exploring Linux; adding bling and her music, of 
course.

I cant tell you how much I appreciate the work you all have done. Its a 
work of art. If I could thank each and every one of you I would.

You have given her the world to learn and explore.

So if you get frustrated or tired in your work for Open Source/Free 
Software, just remember that somewhere in Missouri there is a 14 year-old 
girl named Hope, an A-student who runs on the track team, who is now your 
biggest fan and one of the newest users of Linux/Ubuntu.

Thanks most sincerely,

R.B.A.
Missouri


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert. B. Azinger
roboghast at yahoo.com




From tesral at comcast.net  Tue May 13 23:12:30 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 23:12:30 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Heartbeat.
Message-ID: <482A589E.7030306@comcast.net>

My wife loves me.

Last night we took the 500 gig ATA drive back to Microcenter tio replace
it with a SATA drive for the future computer.

We walked out with the whole computer.  Gigahertz S-series Mobo AMD 2.3
gig dual core, 2 gig ram, 500 gig SATA drive Antec 300 case and a
Corsair 750 watt PS. 

Today we got the bits assembled and got a heartbeat.  I'll pull the
brand new DVD-RW out of Darth Beemer for the optical drive.

I've decided to look into a USB floppy for the legacy needs of my Mavica
Camera.  That can also be paired with my Laptop.

Damn, but my wife loves me.  Second computer inside a month.  I figured
that getting "Phoenix" together would take a long grind through the
summer.  As it is as soon as I get my computer room back together we can
work on the OS instillation.  (Forget it Matt, it WILL be openSUSE, not
Debian.)

Oh, the computer room.  Tony my electrical guy just installed a new 20
amp circuit behind my desks.  But that means everything is off or out
from under those desks.  I'm also starting to paint the room with that
wall and getting my long waiting glass shelving up as well.  They all
required moving the desks.  Not something I care to do twice in a year.

I haven't decided on Gate's retirement use as of yet.  It's still a good
machine (I'm using it right now.)  I don't need a file server.  I have
hardware routers.  It might replace Darth Beemer as the lab computer
with a simplified hard drive set up and the removable bay.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From jbroughton at twmi.rr.com  Wed May 14 19:13:36 2008
From: jbroughton at twmi.rr.com (Jim)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:13:36 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Latest version of flash player crashes firefox
In-Reply-To: <4471306.1210514842932.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <4471306.1210514842932.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <482B7220.1080404@twmi.rr.com>

R. Kannan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I installed  firefox 2.0.0.14 recently but the flashplayer was old. When I installed the latest version of flashplayer plugin (9.0) installed, firefox crashes every time I go to website with flash. I had flash-block enabled. I un-installed flash-block but that did not help either. I tried both the rpm and tarred version of the flash-block from the Adobe site. The only option was to remove the plugin from /opt/firefox/plugins.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> TIA for any pointers.
>
> ________________________________________
> PeoplePC Online
> A better way to Internet
> http://www.peoplepc.com
> _______________________________________________
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> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>
>
>   

 I too am having some problems with Firefox 2.0.0.14 as well.
The flash video problems have been going on for me since 1.5.
When closing a tab after letting a flash video play or trying to
play another flash video in the same tab  Firefox locks up tight.
Only resolution is to let KDE or X windows kill it outright.
Hence no bug report gets sent. :(
  Now I'm having an additional problem where Firefox locks
up or does disappearing app crash when I want to save a jpg file or
even a web page this did not start happening until 2.0.0.14.
  Running Slackware 11.0 and KDE 3.5.



From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Thu May 15 02:08:19 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 02:08:19 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Latest version of flash player crashes firefox
In-Reply-To: <4471306.1210514842932.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <4471306.1210514842932.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90805142308k690354br78b4cd8da96bf83e@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:07 AM, R. Kannan <rkannan at peoplepc.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I installed  firefox 2.0.0.14 recently but the flashplayer was old. When I installed the latest version of flashplayer plugin (9.0) installed, firefox crashes every time I go to website with flash. I had flash-block enabled. I un-installed flash-block but that did not help either. I tried both the rpm and tarred version of the flash-block from the Adobe site. The only option was to remove the plugin from /opt/firefox/plugins.

I've had some occasional problems with it also.  What version are your
using?  Enter "about:plugins" in the address bar to check.
I'm about to upgrade to Ubuntu Hardy Heron so I'll be using 3.0 beta
5.  Hopefully that fixes it.


From driveray at ameritech.net  Thu May 15 03:11:16 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 03:11:16 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Latest version of flash player crashes firefox
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e90805142308k690354br78b4cd8da96bf83e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4471306.1210514842932.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<b02c40e90805142308k690354br78b4cd8da96bf83e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <482BE214.1080206@ameritech.net>

Jeff Hanson wrote:
> On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:07 AM, R. Kannan <rkannan at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I installed  firefox 2.0.0.14 recently but the flashplayer was old. When I installed the latest version of flashplayer plugin (9.0) installed, firefox crashes every time I go to website with flash. I had flash-block enabled. I un-installed flash-block but that did not help either. I tried both the rpm and tarred version of the flash-block from the Adobe site. The only option was to remove the plugin from /opt/firefox/plugins.
> 
> I've had some occasional problems with it also.  What version are your
> using?  Enter "about:plugins" in the address bar to check.
> I'm about to upgrade to Ubuntu Hardy Heron so I'll be using 3.0 beta
> 5.  Hopefully that fixes it.

At the MUG meeting last night Jorge Castro's presentation on Hardy Heron
touched on the Firefox 3.0 Beta issue. Jorge reports that 3.0 is such an
improvement that even the Beta has far fewer problems than 2.x, and
recommends just using it.

For what it's worth, I still use 2.0.0.14, and I have flash blocker
installed. When I do chose to run a flash app, especially video, I
expect I have about a 50% chance of firefox becoming unresponsive when I
try to close the page. I'm not sure which is worse, the flash problem,
or the fact that I've gotten so used to it that I almost accept it. :(

Raymond McLaughlin


From muteid10t at gmail.com  Thu May 15 07:16:57 2008
From: muteid10t at gmail.com (Ron Blanchett)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 07:16:57 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Latest version of flash player crashes firefox
In-Reply-To: <482BE214.1080206@ameritech.net>
References: <4471306.1210514842932.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<b02c40e90805142308k690354br78b4cd8da96bf83e@mail.gmail.com>
	<482BE214.1080206@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <52995d720805150416h225e4716l603ad3edc86a5042@mail.gmail.com>

I am running hardy and I must say that ff 3.0 even in beta is 1000%
more stable than ff 2.0 ever was for me ymmv



On 5/15/08, Raymond McLaughlin <driveray at ameritech.net> wrote:
> Jeff Hanson wrote:
>> On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:07 AM, R. Kannan <rkannan at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I installed  firefox 2.0.0.14 recently but the flashplayer was old. When
>>> I installed the latest version of flashplayer plugin (9.0) installed,
>>> firefox crashes every time I go to website with flash. I had flash-block
>>> enabled. I un-installed flash-block but that did not help either. I tried
>>> both the rpm and tarred version of the flash-block from the Adobe site.
>>> The only option was to remove the plugin from /opt/firefox/plugins.
>>
>> I've had some occasional problems with it also.  What version are your
>> using?  Enter "about:plugins" in the address bar to check.
>> I'm about to upgrade to Ubuntu Hardy Heron so I'll be using 3.0 beta
>> 5.  Hopefully that fixes it.
>
> At the MUG meeting last night Jorge Castro's presentation on Hardy Heron
> touched on the Firefox 3.0 Beta issue. Jorge reports that 3.0 is such an
> improvement that even the Beta has far fewer problems than 2.x, and
> recommends just using it.
>
> For what it's worth, I still use 2.0.0.14, and I have flash blocker
> installed. When I do chose to run a flash app, especially video, I
> expect I have about a 50% chance of firefox becoming unresponsive when I
> try to close the page. I'm not sure which is worse, the flash problem,
> or the fact that I've gotten so used to it that I almost accept it. :(
>
> Raymond McLaughlin
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>

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From amajorov at sbcglobal.net  Thu May 15 07:27:30 2008
From: amajorov at sbcglobal.net (allen)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 07:27:30 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Latest version of flash player crashes firefox
In-Reply-To: <482BE214.1080206@ameritech.net>
References: <4471306.1210514842932.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>	<b02c40e90805142308k690354br78b4cd8da96bf83e@mail.gmail.com>
	<482BE214.1080206@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <482C1E22.3020200@sbcglobal.net>

Raymond McLaughlin wrote:
> Jeff Hanson wrote:
>   
>> On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:07 AM, R. Kannan <rkannan at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I installed  firefox 2.0.0.14 recently but the flashplayer was old. When I installed the latest version of flashplayer plugin (9.0) installed, firefox crashes every time I go to website with flash. I had flash-block enabled. I un-installed flash-block but that did not help either. I tried both the rpm and tarred version of the flash-block from the Adobe site. The only option was to remove the plugin from /opt/firefox/plugins.
>>>       
>> I've had some occasional problems with it also.  What version are your
>> using?  Enter "about:plugins" in the address bar to check.
>> I'm about to upgrade to Ubuntu Hardy Heron so I'll be using 3.0 beta
>> 5.  Hopefully that fixes it.
>>     
>
> At the MUG meeting last night Jorge Castro's presentation on Hardy Heron
> touched on the Firefox 3.0 Beta issue. Jorge reports that 3.0 is such an
> improvement that even the Beta has far fewer problems than 2.x, and
> recommends just using it.
>
> For what it's worth, I still use 2.0.0.14, and I have flash blocker
> installed. When I do chose to run a flash app, especially video, I
> expect I have about a 50% chance of firefox becoming unresponsive when I
> try to close the page. I'm not sure which is worse, the flash problem,
> or the fact that I've gotten so used to it that I almost accept it. :(
>
> Raymond McLaughlin
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>   
You don't have to wait to install Hardy to use Firefox 3. Since about 
beta 3 it's been more stable, not to mention noticeably more responsive, 
then Firefox 2. I've only had it crash every couple of weeks as opposed 
to Firefox 2 crashing on a daily basis.

Two issues in using Firefox 3, as far as I'm concerned, are that the 
number of add-ons is very limited which may account, in part, for the 
stability of Firefox 3, and it's still a bit rough around the edges. For 
instance, the "back" and "forward" buttons don't have the drop-downs 
you'll find in Firefox2.

Allen


From dobwan at earthlink.net  Thu May 15 07:35:06 2008
From: dobwan at earthlink.net (Duane Brown)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 07:35:06 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Latest version of flash player crashes firefox
In-Reply-To: <482BE214.1080206@ameritech.net>
References: <4471306.1210514842932.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>	<b02c40e90805142308k690354br78b4cd8da96bf83e@mail.gmail.com>
	<482BE214.1080206@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <482C1FEA.6020602@earthlink.net>

Raymond McLaughlin wrote:
> ...
>  I'm not sure which is worse, the flash problem,
> or the fact that I've gotten so used to it that I almost accept it. :(
>
> Raymond McLaughlin
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>   
You have been Micro$oft'ized, It is now acceptable for a released 
product to fail regularly.


NOT in my book, Firefox blew it with this flash issue. On my laptop I 
used Firefox 3 beta and on my desktop I live with the occasional crash.

Duane


From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Thu May 15 12:51:56 2008
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 09:51:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] SATA DVD/CD drive
Message-ID: <247923.28729.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I installed Opensuse on a system with a SATA DVD/CD drive.

The installation went very fast, :) That was great compared to the IDE Drives.  

However, The drive does not mount until I run Hardware information, in YAST.

Is there a way to mount this and behave like a normal DVD/CD drive?

David C. Lane


      


From akulkis03 at gmail.com  Thu May 15 14:51:27 2008
From: akulkis03 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:51:27 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Latest version of flash player crashes firefox
In-Reply-To: <482B7220.1080404@twmi.rr.com>
References: <4471306.1210514842932.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<482B7220.1080404@twmi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <482C862F.6020407@gmail.com>

Jim wrote:
> R. Kannan wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I installed  firefox 2.0.0.14 recently but the flashplayer was old. When I installed the latest version of flashplayer plugin (9.0) installed, firefox crashes every time I go to website with flash. I had flash-block enabled. I un-installed flash-block but that did not help either. I tried both the rpm and tarred version of the flash-block from the Adobe site. The only option was to remove the plugin from /opt/firefox/plugins.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> TIA for any pointers.
>>
>>
>>   
> 
>  I too am having some problems with Firefox 2.0.0.14 as well.
> The flash video problems have been going on for me since 1.5.
> When closing a tab after letting a flash video play or trying to
> play another flash video in the same tab  Firefox locks up tight.
> Only resolution is to let KDE or X windows kill it outright.
> Hence no bug report gets sent. :(
>   Now I'm having an additional problem where Firefox locks
> up or does disappearing app crash when I want to save a jpg file or
> even a web page this did not start happening until 2.0.0.14.
>   Running Slackware 11.0 and KDE 3.5.

I'm seeing no problems with Mozilla seamonkey 1.1.9 32-bit nor
Konqueror 3.5.7 (64-bit)


From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Thu May 15 15:34:36 2008
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 15:34:36 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Latest version of flash player crashes firefox
In-Reply-To: <482C862F.6020407@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E037165587@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Aaron Kulkis

> I'm seeing no problems with Mozilla seamonkey 1.1.9 32-bit nor
> Konqueror 3.5.7 (64-bit)

 I, too, haven't had any problems. Of course, I have flashblock and
mostly only use flash for YouTube and suchlike videos...

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                              (313) 227-2317

 "One man's 'magic' is another man's 'engineering'. 'Supernatural' is a
                    null word." - Robert Heinlein
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From rkannan at peoplepc.com  Thu May 15 22:11:34 2008
From: rkannan at peoplepc.com (R. Kannan)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 22:11:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Latest version of flash player crashes firefox
Message-ID: <28664574.1210903894939.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I have tried both 9.0.124.0  and 9.0.48.0 versions of flashplayer plugin on FF 2.0.0.14. I reverted back to flashplayer 7 :-(

-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com>
>Sent: May 15, 2008 2:08 AM
>To: "R. Kannan" <rkannan at peoplepc.com>, MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
>Subject: Re: [mdlug] Latest version of flash player crashes firefox
>
>On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:07 AM, R. Kannan <rkannan at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I installed  firefox 2.0.0.14 recently but the flashplayer was old. When I installed the latest version of flashplayer plugin (9.0) installed, firefox crashes every time I go to website with flash. I had flash-block enabled. I un-installed flash-block but that did not help either. I tried both the rpm and tarred version of the flash-block from the Adobe site. The only option was to remove the plugin from /opt/firefox/plugins.
>
>I've had some occasional problems with it also.  What version are your
>using?  Enter "about:plugins" in the address bar to check.
>I'm about to upgrade to Ubuntu Hardy Heron so I'll be using 3.0 beta
>5.  Hopefully that fixes it.


________________________________________
PeoplePC Online
A better way to Internet
http://www.peoplepc.com


From list1c30fe42 at bellsouth.net  Thu May 15 20:02:22 2008
From: list1c30fe42 at bellsouth.net (Robert Meier)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 20:02:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] SATA DVD/CD drive
In-Reply-To: <247923.28729.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (message from David
	Lane on Thu, 15 May 2008 09:51:56 -0700 (PDT))
References: <247923.28729.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080516000222.AD08C127D08@starfox.local>

David,

> However, The drive does not mount until I run Hardware information, in YAST.
> Is there a way to mount this and behave like a normal DVD/CD drive?

I'm not sure what is going on, so I'll guess :) .

Assuming normal syslogd configuration,
a more certain answer might result from posting the /var/log/messages
entries from just before you "run Hardware information, in YAST"
until just after you use the new drive the first time,
and for comparison, the /var/log/messages from just before you
mount/insert a normal DVD/CD drive until just after you use the
normal DVD/CD drive the first time.



The unix kernel doesn't know or care whether the drive is SATA or "normal".
The distinction is entirely in the driver.
In this context the driver is a piece of software called by the kernel
that presents the physical device as a "block-special device",
a map from inode (an integer) to a block (a fixed-size array of bytes).

IIRC, further details were presented a few years ago by Ray Ingles,
and are on the mdlug website.



<HINT>
The automatic features of drive use are configured with /etc/fstab
and /etc/hotplug/..., and reported in /proc/mounts and elsewhere.

Once mounted by any means (e.g. "Hardware information, in YAST",
you should be able to find the SATA drive mount settings reported
in /proc/mounts.
You will need to copy-and-edit these settings to /etc/fstab,
for the use of various tools.  See fstab(5) for details.

I am not aware of any likely changes to your hotplug configuration.

It is possible but improbable that "Hardware information, in YAST"
is loading kernel modules.
To see if it is.
1. bash> /sbin/lsmod > /tmp/modules.before.txt
2. Start YAST.
3. Run Hardware information.
4. After report is complete, but before exiting Hardware information,
   A. bash> /sbin/lsmod > /tmp/module.after.txt
5. Exit Hardware information.
6. bash> diff /tmp/modules.after.txt /tmp/modules.before.txt
If there is a difference, you may need to alter /etc/modules.conf .
</HINT>

Hopefully helpful,
-- 
Bob

  "My private keys are mine alone.
   My public keys to many shown.
   My secret keys with some are shared,
   But with only one message paired."
     -- Robert Meier 2001 excerpt from "Open-PGP Polka"



From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Fri May 16 08:41:03 2008
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 08:41:03 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SATA DVD/CD drive
In-Reply-To: <20080516000222.AD08C127D08@starfox.local>
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E037165589@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Robert Meier

> > However, The drive does not mount until I run Hardware information, in YAST.

> I'm not sure what is going on, so I'll guess :) .

> The unix kernel doesn't know or care whether the drive is 
> SATA or "normal".

 Depending on how things are set up, though, a "Parallel ATA" (IDE) drive will
show up as /dev/hd*, and a SATA drive will show up as /dev/sd* (in other words,
a SCSI drive). Now, it's possible that during install SUSE was treating it as
an IDE drive (for compatiblity reasons - you have to be conservative during
install, to make sure things will work) and now that things are installed, it's
seeing it as a SCSI drive, and things aren't quite set up for that.

 I think SUSE does what most do, and symlinks /media/cdrom to the appropriate
device file. What does the output of "ls -l /media" look like?

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                                 (313) 227-2317

 "I do not contribute anything material to the competitive landscape. I am
  there to give players of actual merit a break between epic struggles."
                                - Tycho
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From raymond.s.mclaughlin at gmail.com  Fri May 16 14:53:27 2008
From: raymond.s.mclaughlin at gmail.com (Raymond S McLaughlin)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 14:53:27 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SATA DVD/CD drive
In-Reply-To: <247923.28729.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <247923.28729.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <482DD827.6040009@gmail.com>

David Lane wrote:
> I installed Opensuse on a system with a SATA DVD/CD drive.

Which Opensuse? The 11.0 Beta2 looks pretty good,  I'm pulling 11.0 B3
right now.

> The installation went very fast, :) That was great compared to the IDE Drives.  
> 
> However, The drive does not mount until I run Hardware information, in YAST.

Do you have to do this each time you put in a disk? If you are running
Opensuse 10.3, then I need to as what desk top you are running. I
noticed with 10.3 that the handling of auto mounting of removable media
was moved to the desktop environment, and as far as I could tell only
KDE and Gnome had it. (Xfce might I'm not sure.) This leaves people
running in text mode or using other lightweight desktops to manually
mount and unmount their removable media.

This really pissed me off when I first discovered it, but I actually use
KDE almost all the time, so I kind of forgot about it till just now.

> Is there a way to mount this and behave like a normal DVD/CD drive?

Have you tried an ATA CD/DVD on this system to compare its behavior?

> David C. Lane

Raymond McLaughlin

P.S. I am currently tracking a bug in the MDLUG mailing list server that
 is dropping some posts to some destinations. Specifically: posts from
David C.Lane, and so far as I can tell, only from David C. Lane, are
failing to be delivered to any subscribers with .net or .org in their
tdl. I am looking in to this and will post more when I find out more.

RSM Server Admin


From micorral at comcast.net  Fri May 16 15:09:14 2008
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:09:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Sytlish plugin for Firefox
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0805161502120.9125@banana.sluggo.net>

I just found out about this, it's very cool:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2108

Basically it lets you customize the appearance of Firefox per site.
So I can make yahoo.com look one way, make fedoraforums.org look a
different way, etc. This is nice when the site doesn't offer any
theming options. I'm using this now in Swiftweasel, adapting the
DarkGoogle theme (http://userstyles.org/styles/682) for use on
the Fedora Forums.

Michael


From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Sat May 17 12:01:52 2008
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 12:01:52 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Mystery tech -- laptop
Message-ID: <b67fb0380805170901k5cf59b5am87af8d676e9d3d12@mail.gmail.com>

Garage sales can be wondrous things -- I just purchased what looks to
be a fascinating bit of older technology.  I'm still researching it.

I purchased (for US$12.50) what looks to be something between a PDA
and a low-end laptop -- it appears to be an early attempt at an
OLPC-like student-oriented PC.  Called a "DreamWriter I.T" and built
about 9 years ago, it features a stripped-down but full-sized keyboard
with touchpad, a roughly 9-inch 640x480 256-color LCD touchscreen
display, and nearly all the standard I/O ports, including a PCMCIA
slot (unfortunately, no USB).  It appears to have 16 MB of flash RAM
and (according to what I've found so far) runs an 80 MHz Hitachi SH-3
processor.  It's currently loaded with WinCE 2.11 and Pocket Office 97
-- but I may try to find a way to put Linux on it.

Of course the manufacturer and its successor-in-interest are LONG gone
-- NTS Computer Systems, Ltd. and Brainium Technologies were both
based in Canada and have disappeared without a ripple -- but, hey,
worst case I've got a decent 12V/2.5A switching power supply and a
cool NiMH battery pack...

Does anyone know anything about this unit?

~~ Mikey


From jbroughton at twmi.rr.com  Sat May 17 21:25:55 2008
From: jbroughton at twmi.rr.com (Jim)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 21:25:55 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Latest version of flash player crashes firefox
In-Reply-To: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E037165587@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E037165587@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <482F85A3.10604@twmi.rr.com>

Ingles, Raymond wrote:
>> From: Aaron Kulkis
>>     
>
>   
>> I'm seeing no problems with Mozilla seamonkey 1.1.9 32-bit nor
>> Konqueror 3.5.7 (64-bit)
>>     
>
>  I, too, haven't had any problems. Of course, I have flashblock and
> mostly only use flash for YouTube and suchlike videos...
>
>  Sincerely,
>
>  Ray Ingles                                              (313) 227-2317
>
>
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>
>
>   
   I too have flashblock installed and active. I also have script 
blocking active as well.
Flash video's cause the problem whether or not those are 
removed/disabled/bypassed.
I have not tried turning off tabs and going with opening new windows because
I am a tab fanatic and always have at least 6 or 7 open.
I have tried both Slackware's official release and the Mozilla.com 
release. Both
exhibit the same "feature". The only thing I have not tried is building 
my own
from source to turn on debugging and setting up some sort of trace on 
plugin activity.
  The WindowsXP version of course does not have this problem.


Jim



From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Sat May 17 18:17:48 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 18:17:48 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Mystery tech -- laptop
In-Reply-To: <b67fb0380805170901k5cf59b5am87af8d676e9d3d12@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b67fb0380805170901k5cf59b5am87af8d676e9d3d12@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90805171517m203c5be8x23717f5f58ff2b3f@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Michael Rudas <audiotech50 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know anything about this unit?

Interesting gadget according to this article:
http://www.pocketpcfaq.com/wce/21/dreamwriterit.htm

But I didn't find any resources for it with Google.  There are some
other "dreamwriters" hits out there that relate to a application.  I
didn't find anything on Wikipedia either.  Maybe you could create an
article for it.


From wolfger at gmail.com  Tue May 20 08:58:20 2008
From: wolfger at gmail.com (Wolfger)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 08:58:20 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning
Message-ID: <3b00b3330805200558j48fa059au9dd04ab262b76b9d@mail.gmail.com>

They are already soliciting ideas for panels for next year. I had an
idea for which I need some panelists:
How to Stand on the Shoulders of Giants
Building applications efficiently by using (and re-using) existing
code and APIs.

I currently don't have much to say on this myself, but hopefully by
next year I will, since I am working on a project (Tweek) which is
being built upon multiple other applications (twyt, pysqlite, sqlite).
In fact, I'd enjoy talking to some prospective panelists so that I
don't have to learn the best way to go about this from scratch. ;-)

-- 
Wolfger
http://wolfger.wordpress.com/

My 5 today: #78273 (qgis), #184496 (casper), #126181 (empathy),
#193798 (hal), #130644 (ttf-dejavu)
Do 5 a day - every day! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day


From jjn at nuge.com  Tue May 20 11:27:49 2008
From: jjn at nuge.com (Jay Nugent)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:27:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Postfix question
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805201124180.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>

Greetings,
   I was attampting to set up a server at a site and was perplexed when it 
would not receive mail from the outside world.  I'm presuming that Postfix 
does what sendmail did, and that it ONLY listens on the loopback interface 
and not the ethernet.  This was an *easy* fix with sendmail, but I've 
never used Postfix so this is new to me.

   Can someone who has used Postfix in a "server" environment give me a 
few pointers how to set it up?  

   Thanks!
      --- Jay
             
In response to the issue about dumbing-down Amateur Radio, a fellow Ham 
said:    "Would you like fries with that emergency communication?"
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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From muteid10t at gmail.com  Tue May 20 11:37:41 2008
From: muteid10t at gmail.com (Ron Blanchett)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:37:41 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Postfix question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805201124180.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805201124180.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <52995d720805200837i76dcfeer4c0b9dd7280aba24@mail.gmail.com>

what do you get when you telnet <ipaddress> 25 to the public ip of the system?

What distro? (It does matter, debian likes to break up the config file
into a bunch of smaller files that make setup painful sometimes.)

the inet_interfaces directive should be set =  to the interface you
want postfix to listen on.
'all' is a good setting to use for initial setup and if you have
processes that submit mail on the loopback interface.



On 5/20/08, Jay Nugent <jjn at nuge.com> wrote:
> Greetings,
>    I was attampting to set up a server at a site and was perplexed when it
>  would not receive mail from the outside world.  I'm presuming that Postfix
>  does what sendmail did, and that it ONLY listens on the loopback interface
>  and not the ethernet.  This was an *easy* fix with sendmail, but I've
>  never used Postfix so this is new to me.
>
>    Can someone who has used Postfix in a "server" environment give me a
>  few pointers how to set it up?
>
>    Thanks!
>       --- Jay
>
>  In response to the issue about dumbing-down Amateur Radio, a fellow Ham
>  said:    "Would you like fries with that emergency communication?"
>  +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>  | Jay Nugent   jjn at nuge.com    (734)484-5105    (734)544-4326/Fax        |
>  | Nugent Telecommunications  [www.nuge.com]     (734)649-0850/Cell       |
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>  | ISP Monitoring [www.ispmonitor.net] ISP & Modem Performance Monitoring |
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>  | LinuxNIC, Inc. [www.linuxnic.net]   Registrar of the .linux TLD        |
>  +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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>
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From danno at umich.edu  Tue May 20 12:13:31 2008
From: danno at umich.edu (Dan Pritts)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:13:31 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Postfix question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805201124180.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805201124180.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <20080520161331.GA38977@maniac.deathstar.org>

look at master.cf and confirm that the machine is running smtpd.
master.cf is kind of like an inetd.conf for postfix.

also, look at main.cf and make sure that there's no obvious "listen only
on localhost" type thing.  
main.cf is the primary config file.

Once you get used to postfix you won't rush back to sendmail.

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 11:27:49AM -0400, Jay Nugent wrote:
> Greetings,
>    I was attampting to set up a server at a site and was perplexed when it 
> would not receive mail from the outside world.  I'm presuming that Postfix 
> does what sendmail did, and that it ONLY listens on the loopback interface 
> and not the ethernet.  This was an *easy* fix with sendmail, but I've 
> never used Postfix so this is new to me.
> 
>    Can someone who has used Postfix in a "server" environment give me a 
> few pointers how to set it up?  
> 
>    Thanks!
>       --- Jay
>              
> In response to the issue about dumbing-down Amateur Radio, a fellow Ham 
> said:    "Would you like fries with that emergency communication?"
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From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Tue May 20 14:15:26 2008
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:15:26 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning
In-Reply-To: <3b00b3330805200558j48fa059au9dd04ab262b76b9d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b00b3330805200558j48fa059au9dd04ab262b76b9d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b67fb0380805201115v4561e496ifdde99316a25a58a@mail.gmail.com>

--- Wolfger wrote:

> They are already soliciting ideas for panels for next year. I had an
> idea for which I need some panelists:
> How to Stand on the Shoulders of Giants...

If I ever win the lottery, I would LOVE to bring Con Zymaris to
Penguicon!  He wrote an excellent monograph nearly ten years ago that
addresses this very issue and has held up very well, IMHO:
"Shoulders of Giants -- A Paper on the Inevitability of Open Source Dominance"
<http://www.cyber.com.au/users/conz/shoulders.html>

The paper itself may be useful for ideas...

~~ Mikey


From micorral at comcast.net  Tue May 20 15:14:57 2008
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 15:14:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning
In-Reply-To: <b67fb0380805201115v4561e496ifdde99316a25a58a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b00b3330805200558j48fa059au9dd04ab262b76b9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<b67fb0380805201115v4561e496ifdde99316a25a58a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0805201511150.4681@banana.sluggo.net>

2008-05-20, Monsieur Michael Rudas a ecrit:
> If I ever win the lottery, I would LOVE to bring Con Zymaris to
> Penguicon!

Dude, if you win the lottery, and "bringing Con Zymaris to Penguicon"
is what enters your head...well, I'm at a loss for words. ;)

Michael


From driveray at ameritech.net  Tue May 20 16:16:31 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:16:31 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Postfix question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805201124180.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805201124180.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <4833319F.4030206@ameritech.net>

Jay Nugent wrote:
> Greetings,
>    I was attampting to set up a server at a site and was perplexed when it 
> would not receive mail from the outside world.  I'm presuming that Postfix 
> does what sendmail did, and that it ONLY listens on the loopback interface 
> and not the ethernet.  This was an *easy* fix with sendmail, but I've 
> never used Postfix so this is new to me.
> 
>    Can someone who has used Postfix in a "server" environment give me a 
> few pointers how to set it up?  
> 
>    Thanks!
>       --- Jay


What distro are you using? Does it have a firewall? Port 25 does need to
be open for smtpd to receive mail.


From akulkis03 at gmail.com  Tue May 20 16:31:12 2008
From: akulkis03 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:31:12 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Penguicon planning
In-Reply-To: <b67fb0380805201115v4561e496ifdde99316a25a58a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3b00b3330805200558j48fa059au9dd04ab262b76b9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<b67fb0380805201115v4561e496ifdde99316a25a58a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48333510.4060002@gmail.com>

Michael Rudas wrote:
> --- Wolfger wrote:
> 
>> They are already soliciting ideas for panels for next year. I had an
>> idea for which I need some panelists:
>> How to Stand on the Shoulders of Giants...
> 
> If I ever win the lottery, I would LOVE to bring Con Zymaris to
> Penguicon!  He wrote an excellent monograph nearly ten years ago that
> addresses this very issue and has held up very well, IMHO:
> "Shoulders of Giants -- A Paper on the Inevitability of Open Source Dominance"
> <http://www.cyber.com.au/users/conz/shoulders.html>
> 

Ohhh....THAT kind of panel.  Ooops!


> The paper itself may be useful for ideas...


From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Tue May 20 16:34:05 2008
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:34:05 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Mystery tech -- laptop
In-Reply-To: <b67fb0380805170901k5cf59b5am87af8d676e9d3d12@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E037165594@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Michael Rudas

> It appears to have 16 MB of flash RAM
> and (according to what I've found so far) runs an 80 MHz Hitachi SH-3
> processor.  It's currently loaded with WinCE 2.11 and Pocket Office 97
> -- but I may try to find a way to put Linux on it.

 It should be possible to put Linux on it, but a lot of development would
be needed and some experimentation with the hardware at a low level. On the
other hand, you could put in a flash card with a few GB and have a decent
little system.

 You might look here first:
 http://www.superh-linux.org/platforms/index.html

 Or the 'external links' here:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperH

 Note that NetBSD or OpenBSD might be more mature, I can't tell from a
quick skim.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                            (313) 227-2317

 "There's an empty spot I've always had inside me. I tried to fill it
 with family, religion, community service, but those were dead ends.
         I think this chair is the answer." - Homer Simpson
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From peter at petertheplumber.net  Wed May 21 22:58:51 2008
From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 22:58:51 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
Message-ID: <20080521225851.784a50a3@Nokia-N800-26>

Hello All,
    Yesterday I ordered the Roku Netflix player
<http://www.roku.com/products/netflixplayer/index.php>, hoping it
shared some sort of Linux OS with the other Roku products. It indeed
does seem to be running some sort of embedded Linux flavor. On my way
to collect the link above, I was warned that I was using an unsupported
browser (Opera) and I was also told which browser is supported on
Linux. Today I picked up a 4gig Toshiba flash drive; on sale for $25
at Office Max; and was told that it would work under Linux. Yes I
know, but they still had to expend the thougt to include that bit as
well as the ink to print it. 

Best Regards,
-- 
Peter The Plumber sm on the Road
State Licensed Plumber


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Wed May 21 23:06:33 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 23:06:33 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
In-Reply-To: <20080521225851.784a50a3@Nokia-N800-26>
References: <20080521225851.784a50a3@Nokia-N800-26>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90805212006r2ae2560bi4d62c5f7706fbdbb@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Peter Bart <peter at petertheplumber.net> wrote:
> Today I picked up a 4gig Toshiba flash drive; on sale for $25
> at Office Max; and was told that it would work under Linux. Yes I
> know, but they still had to expend the thougt to include that bit as
> well as the ink to print it.

I bought a SanDisk USB key and it had Linux and Windows XP on the
label.  Vista was a sticker added later.


From muteid10t at gmail.com  Thu May 22 08:43:09 2008
From: muteid10t at gmail.com (Ron Blanchett)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 08:43:09 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e90805212006r2ae2560bi4d62c5f7706fbdbb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080521225851.784a50a3@Nokia-N800-26>
	<b02c40e90805212006r2ae2560bi4d62c5f7706fbdbb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52995d720805220543w33e46d2cs41f2a0c1256c3ae5@mail.gmail.com>

Last nights criminal minds featured a Linux City Camera system that
was run by and I quote "Linux OS".

On 5/21/08, Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Peter Bart <peter at petertheplumber.net> wrote:
>  > Today I picked up a 4gig Toshiba flash drive; on sale for $25
>  > at Office Max; and was told that it would work under Linux. Yes I
>  > know, but they still had to expend the thougt to include that bit as
>  > well as the ink to print it.
>
>
> I bought a SanDisk USB key and it had Linux and Windows XP on the
>  label.  Vista was a sticker added later.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Thu May 22 09:50:36 2008
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 09:50:36 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
In-Reply-To: <20080521225851.784a50a3@Nokia-N800-26>
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03716559A@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Peter Bart
> Today I picked up a 4gig Toshiba flash drive; on sale for $25
> at Office Max; and was told that it would work under Linux. Yes I
> know, but they still had to expend the thougt to include that bit as
> well as the ink to print it. 

 The webcomic "Penny Arcade" has been ambivalent about Linux in the past:

 http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/1999/19990305h.jpg
 http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2003/20030630h.gif
 http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2002/20020722h.gif

 ...but they just came out with a new game, and it runs on PC, Mac...
and Linux.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                        (313) 227-2317

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 properly, tends to take much less time, thought and effort than
 building construction. There is strong similarity in other areas
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From wolfger at gmail.com  Thu May 22 10:15:23 2008
From: wolfger at gmail.com (Wolfger)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:15:23 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
In-Reply-To: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03716559A@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <20080521225851.784a50a3@Nokia-N800-26>
	<319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E03716559A@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <3b00b3330805220715q2680fd29od55e775fad4b507f@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Ingles, Raymond
<Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com> wrote:
>
>  The webcomic "Penny Arcade" has been ambivalent about Linux in the past:
>  ...but they just came out with a new game, and it runs on PC, Mac...
> and Linux.

I just saw that yesterday, and downloaded the free demo. If I like it,
I'll be buying it.

--
Wolfger
http://wolfger.wordpress.com/

My 5 today: #189311 (firefox), #123062 (python-apt, apport), #178398
(apport), #189354 (firefox), #111470 (lincity)
Do 5 a day - every day! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day


From jcbender at bendorius.com  Thu May 22 10:35:21 2008
From: jcbender at bendorius.com (Joseph C. Bender)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:35:21 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
In-Reply-To: <52995d720805220543w33e46d2cs41f2a0c1256c3ae5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080521225851.784a50a3@Nokia-N800-26>	<b02c40e90805212006r2ae2560bi4d62c5f7706fbdbb@mail.gmail.com>
	<52995d720805220543w33e46d2cs41f2a0c1256c3ae5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483584A9.7060801@bendorius.com>

Ron Blanchett wrote:
> Last nights criminal minds featured a Linux City Camera system that
> was run by and I quote "Linux OS".
> 
	Speaking of "Criminal Minds", if you notice Garcia's computer screens 
in most episodes, the computers are running either KDE or Gnome, and 
there's usually a bunch of terminal windows open.  I've caught some 
fairly realistic looking perl and shell-script code when they do quick 
up-close shots of the screens.  Freeze-frame on a TiVo (hey, look, 
embedded Linux!) is an amusing thing from time to time.


-- 
Joseph Bender
Bendorius Consulting
P: 248-434-5580
F: 248-434-5581
jcbender at bendorius com


From rkannan at peoplepc.com  Thu May 22 10:46:13 2008
From: rkannan at peoplepc.com (R. Kannan)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:46:13 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Enriching Everyday Life Was: Linux Creeping Into
 Everyday Life
Message-ID: <33311741.1211467574221.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Can we change the subject line? 'Creeping', at least to me, has a negative connotation !!

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Joseph C. Bender" <jcbender at bendorius.com>
>Sent: May 22, 2008 10:35 AM
>To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
>Subject: Re: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
>
>Ron Blanchett wrote:
>> Last nights criminal minds featured a Linux City Camera system that
>> was run by and I quote "Linux OS".
>> 
>	Speaking of "Criminal Minds", if you notice Garcia's computer screens 
>in most episodes, the computers are running either KDE or Gnome, and 
>there's usually a bunch of terminal windows open.  I've caught some 
>fairly realistic looking perl and shell-script code when they do quick 
>up-close shots of the screens.  Freeze-frame on a TiVo (hey, look, 
>embedded Linux!) is an amusing thing from time to time.
>
>
>-- 
>Joseph Bender
>Bendorius Consulting
>P: 248-434-5580
>F: 248-434-5581
>jcbender at bendorius com
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From radkins at impelind.com  Thu May 22 10:56:42 2008
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:56:42 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Digi Photography] Wacom Tablets and PS CS3
Message-ID: <20080522150159.49E93C0C6@impelind.com>

	I know, this is totally unrelated to Linux, but I know that there
are more than two other users into more "advanced" Digital Photography on
this list.

	I recently picked up an Wacom Intuos3 6x4 tablet (Which is awesome
by itself) and it has a special discount offer for a steep discount off of
Adobe PS CS3. Buying both the tablet and then PS CS3, the money spent was
roughly $150 less than buying PS CS3 by itself.

	Just thought I'd pass along this savings potential in case someone
else was considering PS CS3. Which, btw, is just about worth it on its own
simply for the RAW converter which is worlds better than the converter that
shipped with my camera.

	-Rob



From wolfger at gmail.com  Thu May 22 11:00:14 2008
From: wolfger at gmail.com (Wolfger)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:00:14 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux clandestinely infiltrating our country (Was: Linux
	Enriching Everyday Life (Was: Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life))
Message-ID: <3b00b3330805220800h24d699bema23de346c9fc702d@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:46 AM, R. Kannan <rkannan at peoplepc.com> wrote:
> Can we change the subject line? 'Creeping', at least to me, has a negative connotation !!

Sure, no problem!    XD

-- 
Wolfger
http://wolfger.wordpress.com/

My 5 today: #189311 (firefox), #123062 (python-apt, apport), #178398
(apport), #189354 (firefox), #111470 (lincity)
Do 5 a day - every day! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day


From tesral at comcast.net  Thu May 22 11:28:56 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:28:56 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Enriching Everyday Life Was: Linux Creeping Into
 Everyday Life
In-Reply-To: <33311741.1211467574221.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <33311741.1211467574221.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <48359138.8020908@comcast.net>

R. Kannan wrote:
> Can we change the subject line? 'Creeping', at least to me, has a negative connotation !!
>   

"Waddling" would be more appropriate.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From radkins at impelind.com  Thu May 22 11:33:29 2008
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:33:29 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Enriching Everyday Life Was: Linux Creeping Into
	Everyday Life
In-Reply-To: <48359138.8020908@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20080522153845.C5D1DC0C6@impelind.com>

	I'd go with "Diving with Pinpoint Accuracy and Travelling at Amazing
Speeds into the Ocean we call Everyday Life".

	Sometimes, I'm just a little too grandiose...

	-Rob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org 
> [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf Of Garry Stahl
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 11:29 AM
> To: R. Kannan; MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] Linux Enriching Everyday Life Was: Linux 
> Creeping Into Everyday Life
> 
> R. Kannan wrote:
> > Can we change the subject line? 'Creeping', at least to me, 
> has a negative connotation !!
> >   
> 
> "Waddling" would be more appropriate.
> 
> --
> Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.
> 
> Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Star Trek mort. 
> Viva la Star Trek admiraetur The Olde Phoenix Inn 
> http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com Metro Detroit Linux Users Group 
> http://www.mdlug.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> 



From treii28 at yahoo.com  Thu May 22 11:57:55 2008
From: treii28 at yahoo.com (Scott Webster Wood)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 08:57:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Enriching Everyday Life Was: Linux Creeping Into
	Everyday Life
Message-ID: <274623.11702.qm@web38003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

looming?  (nah too much like creeping)
emerging? (oh wait, some could say that the larva in Aliens 'emerged' from the guy's gut)
materializing?  (hmmm, might sound too much akin to the philosophies of Kant - nevermind that one)
arising?  (sorta like a sun on a brand new day - oh wait, did I say sun?  Well they run *nix, I suppose that isn't too bad)
which might also bring us to use 'dawning' - too effeminate sounding?
commencing?  (sorta like a graduation as linux comes into it's own!)
appearing?  (sorta like celebrities.  "Special appearance!"  But not your Brittany Spears or Paris Hilton varieties please!)
manifesting!  (Like it's a destiny!!!)

just my $0.02

----- Original Message ----
From: Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net>
To: R. Kannan <rkannan at peoplepc.com>; MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 11:28:56 AM
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Linux Enriching Everyday Life Was: Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life

R. Kannan wrote:
> Can we change the subject line? 'Creeping', at least to me, has a negative connotation !!
>  

"Waddling" would be more appropriate.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org

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From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Thu May 22 12:52:35 2008
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:52:35 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
In-Reply-To: <20080521225851.784a50a3@Nokia-N800-26>
References: <20080521225851.784a50a3@Nokia-N800-26>
Message-ID: <b67fb0380805220952l715037f1x63d942bc3586dd52@mail.gmail.com>

--- Peter Bart wrote:
> Hello All,
>    Yesterday I ordered the Roku Netflix player
> <http://www.roku.com/products/netflixplayer/index.php>, hoping it
> shared some sort of Linux OS with the other Roku products. It indeed
> does seem to be running some sort of embedded Linux flavor...

In the movie "Iron Man" there is a sequence where Pepper Potts
surreptitiously downloads some sooper-sekrit data to a flash drive.
Imagine my surprise when, instead of the expected "Movie OS"
fancy-graphics high-tech display, I saw a relatively unadorned
Enlightenment desktop running on what was clearly Linux -- though I
don't know how much what I saw differs from a stock E desktop, I'm
pretty sure that's what it was.

~~ Mikey


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Thu May 22 20:56:24 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 20:56:24 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
In-Reply-To: <b67fb0380805220952l715037f1x63d942bc3586dd52@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080521225851.784a50a3@Nokia-N800-26>
	<b67fb0380805220952l715037f1x63d942bc3586dd52@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90805221756h623c5970k5742b0e795c6cd5b@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Michael Rudas <audiotech50 at gmail.com> wrote:
> In the movie "Iron Man" there is a sequence where Pepper Potts
> surreptitiously downloads some sooper-sekrit data to a flash drive.
> Imagine my surprise when, instead of the expected "Movie OS"
> fancy-graphics high-tech display, I saw a relatively unadorned
> Enlightenment desktop running on what was clearly Linux -- though I
> don't know how much what I saw differs from a stock E desktop, I'm
> pretty sure that's what it was.

There might be a practical reason for it - copyright.  Whenever there
is a product, poster, trademark, etc. is in a movie or photograph the
owner is entitled to licensing fees.  Freedomware desktops look
unusual and are generally claim free.  If the creator of the movie or
photograph can't get paid for product placement from the owner then
they either have to license it, remove it, or find a free replacement.


From dobwan at earthlink.net  Thu May 22 21:53:03 2008
From: dobwan at earthlink.net (Duane Brown)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 21:53:03 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
In-Reply-To: <52995d720805220543w33e46d2cs41f2a0c1256c3ae5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080521225851.784a50a3@Nokia-N800-26>	<b02c40e90805212006r2ae2560bi4d62c5f7706fbdbb@mail.gmail.com>
	<52995d720805220543w33e46d2cs41f2a0c1256c3ae5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4836237F.6030900@earthlink.net>

my Phillips LCD HD TV runs some part of linux, there was even a GPL 
license identifying the license on various librarys.

And

My Archos Personal Media Player has some variant of linux (AOS) installed.

business is catching on. The icing on the cake would be if these were 
American made products


From rkannan at peoplepc.com  Fri May 23 13:52:12 2008
From: rkannan at peoplepc.com (R. Kannan)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:52:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
Message-ID: <16971130.1211565132481.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


So does my Panasonic Plasma HD. There is a menu item that displays GPL (Version2?). But aren't they supposed to provide the source code :-)
-----Original Message-----
>From: Duane Brown <dobwan at earthlink.net>
>Sent: May 22, 2008 9:53 PM
>To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
>Subject: Re: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
>
>my Phillips LCD HD TV runs some part of linux, there was even a GPL 
>license identifying the license on various librarys.
>
>And
>
>My Archos Personal Media Player has some variant of linux (AOS) installed.
>
>business is catching on. The icing on the cake would be if these were 
>American made products
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From muteid10t at gmail.com  Fri May 23 13:55:10 2008
From: muteid10t at gmail.com (Ron Blanchett)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:55:10 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
In-Reply-To: <16971130.1211565132481.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <16971130.1211565132481.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <52995d720805231055s13a5dd9ct1d15bbd875970b5c@mail.gmail.com>

they only need to provide you with a way to get the code. it can be as
simple as supplying you with a link to the projects site (usually used
if they did not modify anything) or a link to the code on there site
(if they modified the code before release on the device)



On 5/23/08, R. Kannan <rkannan at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
>  So does my Panasonic Plasma HD. There is a menu item that displays GPL (Version2?). But aren't they supposed to provide the source code :-)
>  -----Original Message-----
>  >From: Duane Brown <dobwan at earthlink.net>
>  >Sent: May 22, 2008 9:53 PM
>  >To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
>  >Subject: Re: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
>  >
>  >my Phillips LCD HD TV runs some part of linux, there was even a GPL
>  >license identifying the license on various librarys.
>  >
>  >And
>  >
>  >My Archos Personal Media Player has some variant of linux (AOS) installed.
>  >
>  >business is catching on. The icing on the cake would be if these were
>  >American made products
>  >_______________________________________________
>  >mdlug mailing list
>  >mdlug at mdlug.org
>  >http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>
>
>  ________________________________________
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>  A better way to Internet
>  http://www.peoplepc.com
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From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Fri May 23 13:57:05 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:57:05 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
In-Reply-To: <16971130.1211565132481.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <16971130.1211565132481.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90805231057n1978eabeg111295d11aad8d41@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:52 PM, R. Kannan <rkannan at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
> So does my Panasonic Plasma HD. There is a menu item that displays GPL (Version2?). But aren't they supposed to provide the source code :-)

Maybe it's transmitted via subliminal messages.  If in a few years do
some research and plot out HDTV sales vs. kernel coders and see if
there is a matching trend.


From peter at petertheplumber.net  Fri May 23 16:58:00 2008
From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 16:58:00 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
In-Reply-To: <16971130.1211565132481.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <16971130.1211565132481.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20080523165800.5c331b7f@Nokia-N800-26>

On Fri, 23 May 2008 13:52:12 -0400 (EDT)
"R. Kannan" <rkannan at peoplepc.com> wrote:

> 
> So does my Panasonic Plasma HD. There is a menu item that displays
> GPL (Version2?). But aren't they supposed to provide the source
> code :-) -----Original Message-----
> >From: Duane Brown <dobwan at earthlink.net>
> >Sent: May 22, 2008 9:53 PM
> >To: MDLUG's Main discussion list <mdlug at mdlug.org>
> >Subject: Re: [mdlug] Linux Creeping Into Everyday Life
> >
> >my Phillips LCD HD TV runs some part of linux, there was even a GPL 
> >license identifying the license on various librarys.
> >
> >And
> >
> >My Archos Personal Media Player has some variant of linux (AOS)
> >installed.
> >
> >business is catching on. The icing on the cake would be if these
> >were American made products
> 

	Some more things Linux, cell phones of all things.
<http://www.limofoundation.org/solutions/index.php>. Take a look at the
heavyweights on the membership roster
<http://www.limofoundation.org/current-members/index.php>. I wonder if
OpenMoko is finally going to get some traction?

-- 
Peter The Plumber sm on the Road
State Licensed Plumber


From akulkis03 at gmail.com  Mon May 26 01:00:35 2008
From: akulkis03 at gmail.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 01:00:35 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [opensuse-offtopic] The OSS Cure for What Ails
	Hospital IT]
Message-ID: <483A43F3.4010504@gmail.com>



From jjn at nuge.com  Mon May 26 12:19:55 2008
From: jjn at nuge.com (Jay Nugent)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 12:19:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] SuSE root breakin help needed
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261218420.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>

Greetings,
   It has been years since I ever needed to break into a box to clear or
reset the root passwork, and boy have things changed!  Used to be as
simple as 'linux 1' at the LILO prompt.  Not anymore....

   I have a server running SuSE 10.3 that I need to correct some settings
on its Postfix configuration, and need root to do it.  The customer gave
me the box to work on, but didn't give me the root PW.  I understand that
I can boot into "rescue" from the install DVD (done that), then create a
mount point (done that), and edit /etc/fstab (done that -- albeit not
correctly apparently).

   Can't seem to get the hard drive mounted after trying all sorts of
permutations of fstab.  I don't know the exact partitioning of the hard
drive but *seem* to recall it was basically three partitions, /, /home,
and swap, and that it is a SATA drive.  But I can't recall whether it had
LVM turned on or not, and I have NO idea how to deal with LVM *if* it was
turned on.

   I can't keep trying different config lines in /etc/fstab endlessly and
blindly.  Anyone have some suggestions how best to procede??

   Thanks!
      --- Jay 

In response to the issue about dumbing-down Amateur Radio, a fellow Ham 
said:    "Would you like fries with that emergency communication?"
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Jay Nugent   jjn at nuge.com    (734)484-5105    (734)544-4326/Fax        |
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+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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From landman at scalableinformatics.com  Mon May 26 12:38:37 2008
From: landman at scalableinformatics.com (Joe Landman)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 12:38:37 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261218420.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261218420.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <483AE78D.4090508@scalableinformatics.com>

Jay Nugent wrote:

>    Can't seem to get the hard drive mounted after trying all sorts of
> permutations of fstab.  I don't know the exact partitioning of the hard
> drive but *seem* to recall it was basically three partitions, /, /home,
> and swap, and that it is a SATA drive.  But I can't recall whether it had

	parted /dev/sda print

should tell you most of what you need to know.  Then once you see the 
layout, you can create temporary mount points

	mkdir /mnt/t1 /mnt/t2 /mnt/t3

and

	mount  /dev/sda1 /mnt/t1

etc

If you need LVM, you may see a mount failure, or a partition type 
difference.

> LVM turned on or not, and I have NO idea how to deal with LVM *if* it was
> turned on.

LVM can be fun.  We avoid it for most things, as recovery is, well, a 
challenge, in the event things go pear shaped.

> 
>    I can't keep trying different config lines in /etc/fstab endlessly and
> blindly.  Anyone have some suggestions how best to procede??
> 
>    Thanks!
>       --- Jay 
> 
> In response to the issue about dumbing-down Amateur Radio, a fellow Ham 
> said:    "Would you like fries with that emergency communication?"
> +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
> | Jay Nugent   jjn at nuge.com    (734)484-5105    (734)544-4326/Fax        |
> | Nugent Telecommunications  [www.nuge.com]     (734)649-0850/Cell       |
> |   Internet Consulting/Linux SysAdmin/Engineering & Design/ISP Reseller |
> | ISP Monitoring [www.ispmonitor.net] ISP & Modem Performance Monitoring |
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> +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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From peter at petertheplumber.net  Mon May 26 13:30:07 2008
From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 13:30:07 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261218420.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261218420.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <20080526133007.33f7b291@Nokia-N800-26>

On Mon, 26 May 2008 12:19:55 -0400 (EDT)
Jay Nugent <jjn at nuge.com> wrote:

> Greetings,
>    It has been years since I ever needed to break into a box to clear
> or reset the root passwork, and boy have things changed!  Used to be
> as simple as 'linux 1' at the LILO prompt.  Not anymore....
> 
>    I have a server running SuSE 10.3 that I need to correct some
> settings on its Postfix configuration, and need root to do it.  The
> customer gave me the box to work on, but didn't give me the root PW.

	Try this method <http://en.opensuse.org/Recover_Root_Password>.

Best Regards,

-- 
Peter The Plumber sm on the Road
State Licensed Plumber


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Mon May 26 15:21:03 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:21:03 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261218420.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261218420.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90805261221v2e929d06jb2aa700b8b50167d@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Jay Nugent <jjn at nuge.com> wrote:
>   Can't seem to get the hard drive mounted after trying all sorts of
> permutations of fstab.  I don't know the exact partitioning of the hard
> drive but *seem* to recall it was basically three partitions, /, /home,
> and swap, and that it is a SATA drive.  But I can't recall whether it had
> LVM turned on or not, and I have NO idea how to deal with LVM *if* it was
> turned on.
>
>   I can't keep trying different config lines in /etc/fstab endlessly and
> blindly.  Anyone have some suggestions how best to procede??

If you can boot the system off the drive and log in with any account
then "cat /proc/mounts" should indicate what is mounted where.

I've been working on Ubuntu with MD/RAID, LVM, and LUKS/dm-crypt and
this script is what I use with the LiveCD to access an encrypted
system and fix grub problems:

recover.sh:
#! /bin/bash
# Quick one-shot, run as superuser
apt-get install mdadm lvm2 cryptsetup && modprobe dm-mod && mdadm -As
&& vgchange -ay && cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/mapper/vg0-lv0 lv0_crypt
&& mkdir /ubuntu && mount /dev/mapper/lv0_crypt /ubuntu && mount
/dev/md0 /ubuntu/boot && mount -t proc none /ubuntu/proc && mount -o
bind /dev /ubuntu/dev && chroot /ubuntu && cd /boot/grub

Basically:
1.  Install mdadm, lvm2 and cryptsetup
2.  Load the dm-mod for RAID and use mdadm to scan for and mount any
RAID devices.
3.  Use vgchange to scan for and activate any LVM volume groups and devices.
4.  Use cryptsetup to unlock the root encrypted volume on logical
volume 0 of volume group 0 (vg0 and lv0 follow my device naming
convention)  and call it lv0_crypt.
5.  Make a directory /ubuntu (effectively within the LiveCD ram drive).
6.  Mount the unlocked lv0_crypt volume at /ubuntu.
7.  Mount /dev/md0 (unencrypted boot volume) as /ubuntu/boot
8.  Mount the LiveCD's /proc and /dev directories in /ubuntu.
9.  chroot /ubuntu so everything will be using the apps from the drive
instead of the outdated LiveCD.

Then I proceed to beat grub into submission like getting the drive #s
for the RAID set correctly.  Ubuntu's installer has a lot of problems
with RAID, LVM, and dm-crypt, especially when used in combination.

I think the vgchange -ay command is what you are looking for if it's an LVM.


From carl at carltm.com  Mon May 26 15:36:12 2008
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:36:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261218420.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261218420.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <3208.216.144.203.250.1211830572.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Jay Nugent wrote:
>    Can't seem to get the hard drive mounted after trying all sorts of
> permutations of fstab.  I don't know the exact partitioning of the hard
> drive but *seem* to recall it was basically three partitions, /, /home,
> and swap, and that it is a SATA drive.  But I can't recall whether it had
> LVM turned on or not, and I have NO idea how to deal with LVM *if* it was
> turned on.

Jay, if "parted /dev/sda print" shows the lvm flag, that means
you'll have to deal with logical volume management.

This page tells about someone mounting partitions on an lvm
volume group, and it tells the steps to find and mount them.
http://www.whoopis.com/howtos/linux_lvm_recovery.html

c




From jjn at nuge.com  Mon May 26 16:11:17 2008
From: jjn at nuge.com (Jay Nugent)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 16:11:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <483AE78D.4090508@scalableinformatics.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>

Greetings all,

On Mon, 26 May 2008, Joe Landman wrote:

> Jay Nugent wrote:
> 
> >    Can't seem to get the hard drive mounted after trying all sorts of
> > permutations of fstab.  I don't know the exact partitioning of the hard
> > drive but *seem* to recall it was basically three partitions, /, /home,
> > and swap, and that it is a SATA drive.  But I can't recall whether it had
> 
> 	parted /dev/sda print
> 
> should tell you most of what you need to know.  Then once you see the 
> layout, you can create temporary mount points
> 
> 	mkdir /mnt/t1 /mnt/t2 /mnt/t3
> 
> and
> 
> 	mount  /dev/sda1 /mnt/t1


   Thanks Joe!  I was *so* relieved to see that LVM was not used.  And
this got me onto the hard drive where I was then able to vi the
/etc/passwd file and blank out the root password field.

   root::0:3::/:/bin/bash

   Rebooted, and at the login screen it refused to let me login to root 
with a *blank* password :(



   Then I received Peter Bart's suggestion:  "Try this method 
<http://en.opensuse.org/Recover_Root_Password>" which basically says to do 
this:

  --------------------------------------------------------------
    For 10.3, you need some more steps:

    Start the rescue system. Find the disk root partition, then, assuming 
    its hdxy (or probably sdxy):

    mount /dev/hdxy /mnt
    mount -o bind /proc /mnt/proc
    mount -o bind /sys /mnt/sys
    mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev
    chroot /mnt

    you are root in the installed sytem, with all at hand: passwd, but 
    also YaST...
  ---------------------------------------------------------------


   This got me full access to the system :)   But when I do a 'passwd 
root' to set a root password it *says* it did it, but nothing ever happens
to the password field in /etc/passwd :(

   Now what could be causing this?????


   Dang it!  I just wanna set a password, boot and log in normally, get
the Postfix stuff fixed and tested, and get this pain in the butt box off
my bench so I can go back to working on some 10 GHz microwave gear (far
far more fun these days).

   Anyone know a way to generate the one-way password encryption?  Then I
can vi /etc/password and edit in the 13 character string???  Seems to me
there used to be a 'crypt' command or something similar...

   Thanks alot for your help guys :)

      --- Jay

             
In response to the issue about dumbing-down Amateur Radio, a fellow Ham 
said:    "Would you like fries with that emergency communication?"
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Jay Nugent   jjn at nuge.com    (734)484-5105    (734)544-4326/Fax        |
| Nugent Telecommunications  [www.nuge.com]     (734)649-0850/Cell       |
|   Internet Consulting/Linux SysAdmin/Engineering & Design/ISP Reseller |
| ISP Monitoring [www.ispmonitor.net] ISP & Modem Performance Monitoring |
| Web-Pegasus    [www.webpegasus.com] Web Hosting/DNS Hosting/Shell Accts|
| LinuxNIC, Inc. [www.linuxnic.net]   Registrar of the .linux TLD        |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
  3:01pm  up 215 days, 15:35,  5 users,  load average: 0.40, 0.14, 0.10





From landman at scalableinformatics.com  Mon May 26 16:17:40 2008
From: landman at scalableinformatics.com (Joe Landman)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 16:17:40 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <483B1AE4.5090302@scalableinformatics.com>

Jay Nugent wrote:
> Greetings all,


>    Thanks Joe!  I was *so* relieved to see that LVM was not used.  And
> this got me onto the hard drive where I was then able to vi the
> /etc/passwd file and blank out the root password field.
> 
>    root::0:3::/:/bin/bash
> 
>    Rebooted, and at the login screen it refused to let me login to root 
> with a *blank* password :(

er....  you probably don't want to blow the password away ...

simpler methods

1) set up sudo access for a specific user, and add this line for user "jay"

	jay ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /bin/su

To use this, do

	sudo su

after logging in as Jay.  No fuss, no muss.  Can be removed later.  You 
should set this up from a chroot'ed file system.

2) set up passwordless ssh into root for user "jay"

	ssh localhost -l root

   though you have to make sure root is allowed ssh access for this.

Both methods work well, we use them when setting up customer systems.


>              
> In response to the issue about dumbing-down Amateur Radio, a fellow Ham 
> said:    "Would you like fries with that emergency communication?"
> +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
> | Jay Nugent   jjn at nuge.com    (734)484-5105    (734)544-4326/Fax        |
> | Nugent Telecommunications  [www.nuge.com]     (734)649-0850/Cell       |
> |   Internet Consulting/Linux SysAdmin/Engineering & Design/ISP Reseller |
> | ISP Monitoring [www.ispmonitor.net] ISP & Modem Performance Monitoring |
> | Web-Pegasus    [www.webpegasus.com] Web Hosting/DNS Hosting/Shell Accts|
> | LinuxNIC, Inc. [www.linuxnic.net]   Registrar of the .linux TLD        |
> +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>   3:01pm  up 215 days, 15:35,  5 users,  load average: 0.40, 0.14, 0.10
> --
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Founder and CEO
Scalable Informatics LLC,
email: landman at scalableinformatics.com
web  : http://www.scalableinformatics.com
        http://jackrabbit.scalableinformatics.com
phone: +1 734 786 8423
fax  : +1 866 888 3112
cell : +1 734 612 4615


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Mon May 26 16:35:36 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 16:35:36 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
References: <483AE78D.4090508@scalableinformatics.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90805261335w79888539q42ed4fa128764bb5@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Jay Nugent <jjn at nuge.com> wrote:
>   Thanks Joe!  I was *so* relieved to see that LVM was not used.  And
> this got me onto the hard drive where I was then able to vi the
> /etc/passwd file and blank out the root password field.
...
>   Anyone know a way to generate the one-way password encryption?  Then I
> can vi /etc/password and edit in the 13 character string???  Seems to me
> there used to be a 'crypt' command or something similar...

Suse actually uses passwd to store the password hash?  I though most
distros used shadow so that it's permissions could be set to readable
only by root so that normal users couldn't get the hashes and
brute-force them offline.


From list1c30fe42 at bellsouth.net  Mon May 26 16:46:37 2008
From: list1c30fe42 at bellsouth.net (Robert Meier)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 16:46:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com> (message
	from Jay Nugent on Mon, 26 May 2008 16:11:17 -0400 (EDT))
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <20080526204637.33F0515EA23@starfox.local>

Jay,

> This got me full access to the system :)   But when I do a 'passwd 
> root' to set a root password it *says* it did it, but nothing ever happens
> to the password field in /etc/passwd :(
> Now what could be causing this?????

This is correct.
Despite the name (historic), /etc/passwd is for public user information.
The second field holds not the password but whether or not account
is an office publically usable without a password.
The password information (hash) is in /etc/shadow.
See passwd(5) and shadow(5) for further details.

Hopefully helpful,
-- 
Bob

  "This statement wouldn't be funny if not for irony!"
     -- http://xkcd.com/6



From tesral at comcast.net  Mon May 26 17:11:19 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 17:11:19 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e90805261221v2e929d06jb2aa700b8b50167d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261218420.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
	<b02c40e90805261221v2e929d06jb2aa700b8b50167d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483B2777.50606@comcast.net>

Ask the client for the root password?

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From carl at carltm.com  Mon May 26 17:09:10 2008
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 17:09:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e90805261335w79888539q42ed4fa128764bb5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <483AE78D.4090508@scalableinformatics.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
	<b02c40e90805261335w79888539q42ed4fa128764bb5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22861.216.144.203.250.1211836150.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Jeff Hanson wrote:
> Suse actually uses passwd to store the password hash?  I though most
> distros used shadow so that it's permissions could be set to readable
> only by root so that normal users couldn't get the hashes and
> brute-force them offline.

I believe that most of the distros still offer that as an
option.  I don't recall seeing it as the default option in
several years.

c




From carl at carltm.com  Mon May 26 17:15:24 2008
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 17:15:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <483B2777.50606@comcast.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261218420.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
	<b02c40e90805261221v2e929d06jb2aa700b8b50167d@mail.gmail.com>
	<483B2777.50606@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <5868.216.144.203.250.1211836524.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Garry Stahl wrote:
> Ask the client for the root password?

Oh, come on.  That would be the easy way out.

c




From tesral at comcast.net  Mon May 26 17:40:04 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 17:40:04 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <5868.216.144.203.250.1211836524.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261218420.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>	<b02c40e90805261221v2e929d06jb2aa700b8b50167d@mail.gmail.com>	<483B2777.50606@comcast.net>
	<5868.216.144.203.250.1211836524.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
Message-ID: <483B2E34.6010706@comcast.net>

Carl T. Miller wrote:
> Oh, come on.  That would be the easy way out.
>   

Why beat you head on it?

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Mon May 26 17:38:35 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 17:38:35 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <483B2777.50606@comcast.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261218420.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
	<b02c40e90805261221v2e929d06jb2aa700b8b50167d@mail.gmail.com>
	<483B2777.50606@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90805261438h4d08cf77r54a3a2843ef28f33@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net> wrote:
> Ask the client for the root password?

That's no fun.


From robert.citek at gmail.com  Mon May 26 18:06:43 2008
From: robert.citek at gmail.com (Robert Citek)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 17:06:43 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
References: <483AE78D.4090508@scalableinformatics.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <4145b6790805261506r3dd39ae5v409cad678c6bd7aa@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Jay Nugent <jjn at nuge.com> wrote:
> Anyone know a way to generate the one-way password encryption?  Then I
> can vi /etc/password and edit in the 13 character string???  Seems to me
> there used to be a 'crypt' command or something similar...

One solution would be to use Knoppix (probably will work with other
live CDs, too):

1) boot into Knoppix
2) open a root terminal
3) mount the filesystem containing /etc/shadow
4) create a password.  For example,

# mkpasswd --hash=md5 foo
$1$7u0Y1cwB$OYtRpq0y1kM6U0dW3Bgh80

5) insert into the second field of /etc/shadow for root or other user
6) reboot
7) login as root using the above password, e.g. foo

Regards,
- Robert


From brian at dangerbacon.com  Mon May 26 18:35:59 2008
From: brian at dangerbacon.com (Brian)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 18:35:59 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
Message-ID: <200805261836.03219.brian@dangerbacon.com>

On Monday 26 May 2008 04:11:17 pm Jay Nugent wrote:
> Greetings all,
>
> On Mon, 26 May 2008, Joe Landman wrote:
> > Jay Nugent wrote:
> > >    Can't seem to get the hard drive mounted after trying all sorts of
> > > permutations of fstab.  I don't know the exact partitioning of the hard
> > > drive but *seem* to recall it was basically three partitions, /, /home,
> > > and swap, and that it is a SATA drive.  But I can't recall whether it
> > > had
> >
> > 	parted /dev/sda print
> >
> > should tell you most of what you need to know.  Then once you see the
> > layout, you can create temporary mount points
> >
> > 	mkdir /mnt/t1 /mnt/t2 /mnt/t3
> >
> > and
> >
> > 	mount  /dev/sda1 /mnt/t1
>
>    Thanks Joe!  I was *so* relieved to see that LVM was not used.  And
> this got me onto the hard drive where I was then able to vi the
> /etc/passwd file and blank out the root password field.
>
>    root::0:3::/:/bin/bash
>
>    Rebooted, and at the login screen it refused to let me login to root
> with a *blank* password :(

At lilo prompt,

linux init=/bin/bash

Once you're dropped down to a shell:
mount -o remount,rw / #remount root disk as read/write

Then mount /usr if necessary and just use the password command to change roots 
password to whatever you like.

-- 
Brian
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From tesral at comcast.net  Tue May 27 01:22:45 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 01:22:45 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] June Meeting
Message-ID: <483B9AA5.7050108@comcast.net>

I have to cancel the June DCG meeting at my house.  As I am painting the
computer room and the whole house is turned upside down. 

]The painting part is easy, it is moving thing out of the computer room,
clearing a wall, painting, and moving things back and then the next
set.  My dining room is full of computers and the living room stacked
with boxes of books.

I will not be finished by next week.  I'll just be getting to the East wall.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From list1c30fe42 at bellsouth.net  Tue May 27 00:20:51 2008
From: list1c30fe42 at bellsouth.net (Robert Meier)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 00:20:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <4145b6790805261506r3dd39ae5v409cad678c6bd7aa@mail.gmail.com>
	(robert.citek@gmail.com)
References: <483AE78D.4090508@scalableinformatics.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
	<4145b6790805261506r3dd39ae5v409cad678c6bd7aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080527042051.00F4215EA23@starfox.local>

Jay, Robert, Al, Jeff, Peter,

As amply demonstrated on this thread,
login passwords are little protection
against an attacker with physical access,
but are a major waste of time to a servicer.

Consider writing the root password on an index card,
putting it in a sealed envelope,
and putting the sealed envelope inside the case.

If the computer is stolen,
you save the attacker some time recovering unencrypted data,
but arranging the theft probably took longer.

If the computer needs service,
you save the supporter much time,
likely more than the actual service operation.

>From a financial supply house,
you can get "secure bags" that provide varying degrees
of difficulty to open, and varying degrees of difficulty
resealing without detection.

Hopefully helpful,
-- 
Bob

  "The gulls who scorn perfection for the sake of travel,
      go nowehere slowly.
   The gulls who scorn travel for the sake of perfection,
      go anywhere instantly."
	-- Chang, Jonathan Livingston Seagull by Richard Bach



From gib at juno.com  Tue May 27 12:59:03 2008
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 16:59:03 GMT
Subject: [mdlug]  June Meeting - Location for DCG Meeting
Message-ID: <20080527.125903.15778.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>

 
Um, how about holding the meeting in a different location?  Say a restaurant.

-- Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net> wrote:
I have to cancel the June DCG meeting at my house.  As I am painting the
computer room and the whole house is turned upside down. 

]The painting part is easy, it is moving thing out of the computer room,
clearing a wall, painting, and moving things back and then the next
set.  My dining room is full of computers and the living room stacked
with boxes of books.

I will not be finished by next week.  I'll just be getting to the East wall.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org

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From peter at petertheplumber.net  Tue May 27 13:09:54 2008
From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 13:09:54 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] SuSE root breakin help needed
In-Reply-To: <20080527042051.00F4215EA23@starfox.local>
References: <483AE78D.4090508@scalableinformatics.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0805261543210.32583-100000@home.nuge.com>
	<4145b6790805261506r3dd39ae5v409cad678c6bd7aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080527042051.00F4215EA23@starfox.local>
Message-ID: <20080527130954.15150a1e@Nokia-N800-26>

On Tue, 27 May 2008 00:20:51 -0400 (EDT)
Robert Meier <list1c30fe42 at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Jay, Robert, Al, Jeff, Peter,
> 
> As amply demonstrated on this thread,
> login passwords are little protection
> against an attacker with physical access,
> but are a major waste of time to a servicer.

	Agreed!

> 
> Consider writing the root password on an index card,
> putting it in a sealed envelope,
> and putting the sealed envelope inside the case.

	Sorry, that's like the old magnetic key safes for car keys. I
don't do that anymore, it's to much  of an invitation.

> 
> If the computer is stolen,
> you save the attacker some time recovering unencrypted data,
> but arranging the theft probably took longer.

	The theft might be spur of the moment. Some of my customers
still are getting hit by these well dressed bandits that simply walk in
and take unattended equipment. I get the impression these thiefs go
cruise busy office buildings every day and take what they can when they
can.

> 
> If the computer needs service,
> you save the supporter much time,
> likely more than the actual service operation.

    A little foresight and no problems here. Both from the customer and
the vendor. I usually change the passwords and include a sticky note
with them on it in the package.

> 
> From a financial supply house,
> you can get "secure bags" that provide varying degrees
> of difficulty to open, and varying degrees of difficulty
> resealing without detection.
> 
> Hopefully helpful,

	There is no substitute for physical security.

Best Regards,


-- 
Peter The Plumber sm on the Road
State Licensed Plumber


From mdlug at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 27 14:48:05 2008
From: mdlug at sbcglobal.net (Dean Durant)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 11:48:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] OT: data recovery from dead hard disk
Message-ID: <91274.56249.qm@web81806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I know there are commercial firms that do this.   I know how much it costs too and this will be out of pocket (if I do it).  I was just curious to see if anyone on this list does it and what they charge.

Situation:   western digitial, SATA, 500 GB, fell from a desk onto the floor.  It was in an enclosure.   Now it's dead.   I think it's gone forever but I'd like to see if there is anything I can do.    Thanks, Dean


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Tue May 27 18:26:55 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 18:26:55 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] OT: data recovery from dead hard disk
In-Reply-To: <91274.56249.qm@web81806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <91274.56249.qm@web81806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90805271526j330dd7dew9ffbcf248ce07588@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Dean Durant <mdlug at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Situation:   western digitial, SATA, 500 GB, fell from a desk onto the floor.  It was in an enclosure.   Now it's dead.   I think it's gone forever but I'd like to see if there is anything I can do.    Thanks, Dean

Iffy.  The enclosure may have absorbed some of the impact.  Modern
drive heads are very low mass so it takes quite a lot of impact force
for them to contact the platters.  I'd check for a loose connection
and try it without the enclosure before giving up.


From ebielaczyc at gmail.com  Wed May 28 11:48:08 2008
From: ebielaczyc at gmail.com (Ein Bielaczyc)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:48:08 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Export Mounted ISOs
Message-ID: <1211989688.3756.21.camel@nx6110.bielaczyc.is-a-geek.com>

I'm trying to export via NFS a mounted ISO. I prefer to install via my
network (with PXE & NFS), and I'd like to keep the distros I download in
their ISO format (just in case I need to burn it to CD). I can mount the
ISO just fine. I know NFS is working because I can copy the data out of
the ISO to the file system I can then access them via NFS. But if I try
to simply re-export the mounted ISO I see nothing on the remote
machines. 

Currently my NFS machine is a rather vanilla install of OpenSuSE 10.2.

I've searched and searched but I haven't been able to find a solution.
Any help is appreciated.

-- 
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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Wed May 28 12:21:20 2008
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 12:21:20 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Export Mounted ISOs
In-Reply-To: <1211989688.3756.21.camel@nx6110.bielaczyc.is-a-geek.com>
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0371655A9@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Ein Bielaczyc
> 
> I'm trying to export via NFS a mounted ISO.

 This might help:

 http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/11435.html

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                               (313) 227-2317
 
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 A) I'm a total idiot. I had no idea what my company was doing - I'm not
    liable for the company's misdeeds.
 B) I knew exactly what was going on. That's what I'm paid for. I'm
    personally responsible for the acts of my company.
 If A, they forfeit all their money and assets as reparation for fraud.
 If B, they face criminal penalties.

 Now, ask yourself, why AREN'T executives held to this standard?
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From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Wed May 28 15:15:30 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:15:30 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Export Mounted ISOs
In-Reply-To: <1211989688.3756.21.camel@nx6110.bielaczyc.is-a-geek.com>
References: <1211989688.3756.21.camel@nx6110.bielaczyc.is-a-geek.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90805281215y62bea984o81c83a4825017943@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Ein Bielaczyc <ebielaczyc at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to export via NFS a mounted ISO. I prefer to install via my
> network (with PXE & NFS), and I'd like to keep the distros I download in
> their ISO format (just in case I need to burn it to CD). I can mount the
> ISO just fine. I know NFS is working because I can copy the data out of
> the ISO to the file system I can then access them via NFS. But if I try
> to simply re-export the mounted ISO I see nothing on the remote
> machines.

I think it's a matter of "bind" vs. "rbind".  A loop bind will not
provide access to any sub-mounts in the directory tree while rbind
will.  Check the mount man page.


From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Thu May 29 13:19:43 2008
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 13:19:43 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux makes another Splash(top)
Message-ID: <b67fb0380805291019l62299f2fw653f0ee29cc26ff9@mail.gmail.com>

Further good news from ASUS.  Their "Express Gate" instant-on Linux
desktop (a re-branded version of Splashtop Linux) is about to be
integrated into their laptop line.

This is good news.  ASUS is one of the few companies on Earth that
actually manufactures the laptops with their brand on them -- this is
yet another reason to consider them for my next purchase...
"Operating Systems and Servers News -- 29 May 2008 -- Splashtop Linux
conquers Asus laptops"
<http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?newsid=101624>

~~ Mikey


From ldaphelp at thuemmel.com  Thu May 29 14:12:41 2008
From: ldaphelp at thuemmel.com (Mark Thuemmel)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:12:41 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux makes another Splash(top)
In-Reply-To: <b67fb0380805291019l62299f2fw653f0ee29cc26ff9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b67fb0380805291019l62299f2fw653f0ee29cc26ff9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483EF219.9090902@thuemmel.com>

Michael Rudas wrote:
> Further good news from ASUS.  Their "Express Gate" instant-on Linux
> desktop (a re-branded version of Splashtop Linux) is about to be
> integrated into their laptop line.
> <http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?newsid=101624>
> ~~ Mikey

Very, very nice.  A proud day to watch the youtube demo of it.  Boots 
into the browser and plays flash just like that.  Dam, Microsoft is 
going to have a cow if people get their hands on this.


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Thu May 29 14:56:34 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:56:34 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Linux makes another Splash(top)
In-Reply-To: <483EF219.9090902@thuemmel.com>
References: <b67fb0380805291019l62299f2fw653f0ee29cc26ff9@mail.gmail.com>
	<483EF219.9090902@thuemmel.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90805291156r2549bf59if2cc140117fd46a1@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Mark Thuemmel <ldaphelp at thuemmel.com> wrote:
> Michael Rudas wrote:
>> Further good news from ASUS.  Their "Express Gate" instant-on Linux
>> desktop (a re-branded version of Splashtop Linux) is about to be
>> integrated into their laptop line.
>> <http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?newsid=101624>
>> ~~ Mikey
>
> Very, very nice.  A proud day to watch the youtube demo of it.  Boots
> into the browser and plays flash just like that.  Dam, Microsoft is
> going to have a cow if people get their hands on this.

In reality this could be done with Windows CE.  Don't be surprised if
M$ announces a new promotion for the same market.


From tesral at comcast.net  Thu May 29 15:33:54 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 15:33:54 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] (dis)recommendations for wiki engine
In-Reply-To: <52995d720804250636h6293b2fej26acafcbc9370b78@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080425040038.D844F127CB7@starfox.local>
	<52995d720804250636h6293b2fej26acafcbc9370b78@mail.gmail.com>
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Ron Blanchett wrote:
> like dokuWiki, we use it at work.
> And Penguicon uses it for it's wiki, wiki.penguicon.org.
>
>   

How easy is it to set up?

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From muteid10t at gmail.com  Thu May 29 17:15:57 2008
From: muteid10t at gmail.com (Ron Blanchett)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:15:57 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] (dis)recommendations for wiki engine
In-Reply-To: <483F0522.6000201@comcast.net>
References: <20080425040038.D844F127CB7@starfox.local>
	<52995d720804250636h6293b2fej26acafcbc9370b78@mail.gmail.com>
	<483F0522.6000201@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <52995d720805291415p33dd722as60c7ab1773464068@mail.gmail.com>

Dokuwiki is very easy to setup it doesn't even need to use a db for
storage the default is to store everything as a text file



On 5/29/08, Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net> wrote:
> Ron Blanchett wrote:
>> like dokuWiki, we use it at work.
>> And Penguicon uses it for it's wiki, wiki.penguicon.org.
>>
>>
>
> How easy is it to set up?
>
> --
> Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.
>
> Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
> Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
> The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
> Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org
>
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From otakurider at gmail.com  Thu May 29 21:52:38 2008
From: otakurider at gmail.com (-)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 21:52:38 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] (dis)recommendations for wiki engine
In-Reply-To: <483F0522.6000201@comcast.net>
References: <20080425040038.D844F127CB7@starfox.local>
	<52995d720804250636h6293b2fej26acafcbc9370b78@mail.gmail.com>
	<483F0522.6000201@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <cd5131a50805291852o1b3801bdk9ce7592dc0a7045c@mail.gmail.com>

I would recommend MediWiki or Tikiwiki .  I find MediWiki is more feature
rich, it does take a but longer to setup.

Pat



On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net> wrote:

> Ron Blanchett wrote:
> > like dokuWiki, we use it at work.
> > And Penguicon uses it for it's wiki, wiki.penguicon.org.
> >
> >
>
> How easy is it to set up?
>
> --
> Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.
>
> Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
> Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
> The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
> Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
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From ebielaczyc at gmail.com  Fri May 30 12:19:19 2008
From: ebielaczyc at gmail.com (Ein Bielaczyc)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:19:19 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Export Mounted ISOs
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e90805281215y62bea984o81c83a4825017943@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1211989688.3756.21.camel@nx6110.bielaczyc.is-a-geek.com>
	<b02c40e90805281215y62bea984o81c83a4825017943@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 15:15 -0400, Jeff Hanson wrote:
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Ein Bielaczyc <ebielaczyc at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm trying to export via NFS a mounted ISO. I prefer to install via my
> > network (with PXE & NFS), and I'd like to keep the distros I download in
> > their ISO format (just in case I need to burn it to CD). I can mount the
> > ISO just fine. I know NFS is working because I can copy the data out of
> > the ISO to the file system I can then access them via NFS. But if I try
> > to simply re-export the mounted ISO I see nothing on the remote
> > machines.
> 
> I think it's a matter of "bind" vs. "rbind".  A loop bind will not
> provide access to any sub-mounts in the directory tree while rbind
> will.  Check the mount man page.

Would I then mount the ISO via loop and then re-mount it using the rbind
option to an alternate location?


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From ebielaczyc at gmail.com  Fri May 30 12:46:29 2008
From: ebielaczyc at gmail.com (Ein Bielaczyc)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:46:29 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Export Mounted ISOs
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On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 12:21 -0400, Ingles, Raymond wrote:
> > From: Ein Bielaczyc
> > 
> > I'm trying to export via NFS a mounted ISO.
> 
>  This might help:
> 
>  http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/11435.html
> 

Thanks, but that is what I have done, without using Yast. My NFS clients
see none of the mounted ISO file structure. 

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From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Fri May 30 16:38:32 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 16:38:32 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Export Mounted ISOs
In-Reply-To: <1212164359.3756.44.camel@nx6110.bielaczyc.is-a-geek.com>
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On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Ein Bielaczyc <ebielaczyc at gmail.com> wrote:
> Would I then mount the ISO via loop and then re-mount it using the rbind
> option to an alternate location?

On Ubuntu (or maybe it's just a Webmin behavior) when you make an
NFSv4 export it creates a /export directory to be the root of all
epxorts and bind mounts everything through there.  If the target has
sub-mounts then it doesn't work and they have to be changed in fstab.
You're not using Ubuntu so I'm not sure how it is set up.

On Ubuntu the file /var/lib/nfs/etab lists all current exports with
all settings active (default, implied, and explicit).  It might reveal
more about what exactly is being exported and how.


From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Fri May 30 16:42:15 2008
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 16:42:15 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Export Mounted ISOs
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e90805301338q6ce83ed6yc9dbfd63f8498a2d@mail.gmail.com>
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This is part of the security structure of nfs4.  You set up a directory
to be your export 'root' (usually /export as you mentioned), and clients
will mount relative to that.  So if you set up /export/isos, and in
/etc/exports you have /export marked as 'fsid=0', then on the client you
would just:

mount -t nfs4 nfsserver:/isos /mnt

Of course, this is only if you are using nfs4.

Greg Wojtak
The Linux Fix
http://www.thelinuxfix.com/

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From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf
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Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 4:39 PM
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Export Mounted ISOs

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Ein Bielaczyc <ebielaczyc at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Would I then mount the ISO via loop and then re-mount it using the
rbind
> option to an alternate location?

On Ubuntu (or maybe it's just a Webmin behavior) when you make an
NFSv4 export it creates a /export directory to be the root of all
epxorts and bind mounts everything through there.  If the target has
sub-mounts then it doesn't work and they have to be changed in fstab.
You're not using Ubuntu so I'm not sure how it is set up.

On Ubuntu the file /var/lib/nfs/etab lists all current exports with
all settings active (default, implied, and explicit).  It might reveal
more about what exactly is being exported and how.
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From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Fri May 30 16:55:16 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 16:55:16 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Export Mounted ISOs
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	<b02c40e90805281215y62bea984o81c83a4825017943@mail.gmail.com>
	<1212164359.3756.44.camel@nx6110.bielaczyc.is-a-geek.com>
	<b02c40e90805301338q6ce83ed6yc9dbfd63f8498a2d@mail.gmail.com>
	<8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE05ADAD69@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
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On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Wojtak, Greg
<GregWojtak at quickenloans.com> wrote:
> This is part of the security structure of nfs4.  You set up a directory
> to be your export 'root' (usually /export as you mentioned), and clients
> will mount relative to that.  So if you set up /export/isos, and in
> /etc/exports you have /export marked as 'fsid=0', then on the client you
> would just:
>
> mount -t nfs4 nfsserver:/isos /mnt
>
> Of course, this is only if you are using nfs4.

Yes, I know.  I was referring to it's defaulting to "bind" instead of
"rbind" for the mounts in /export.


