From john_re at fastmail.us  Fri Aug  1 09:21:33 2008
From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:21:33 -0700
Subject: [mdlug] Who's in charge of this group? - Inter group meeting
 BerkeleyTIP-Global August 2 Saturday
Message-ID: <1217596893.7460.1266500023@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hello from Berkeley, MDLUGers :)

Please tell me - who is in charge in this group?

I ask because I'm wondering: who are the person(s) who might be the ones
to help arrange & coordinate an inter group meeting?

I wonder that, because I'm putting together a great new event, a global
GNU(Linux)/BSD type software & free culture meeting.

It is a meeting for people interested in learning about, using &
creating GNU & BSD type software & culture.

I call the local Berkeley meeting the BerkeleyTIP - 
  (Talks, Installfest, Potluck & ProgrammingParty)

And I call the global simultaneous set of local meetings the
Berkeley-TIP-Global meeting.

I'm wondering
1) If anyone at your group might be interested in joining together in
this event with others around the world, and if so, then
2) who might be the person(s) to head up handling arrangements, &
coordination, etc, for the joint meeting?

If this sounds to you like it might be interesting, here is some info
for you to read:

=====  CONTENTS:
1) THE BASIC FACTS ABOUT THE MEETING
2) WHAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED SO FAR
3) WHAT TO DO NEXT
4) JOIN WITH US TOMORROW, AUGUST 2, SATURDAY
   FOR THE FIRST BerkeleyTIP-Global-USA MEETING?
5) VIDEO TALKS FOR AUGUST 2 MEETING
6) SUMMARY

=====================================================================
=====  1) THE BASIC FACTS ABOUT THE MEETING  =====

The basic idea is a monthly meeting, a full day at the beginning of each
month, the first Saturday of each month, simultaneous throughout Earth,
with these four components:

There are 4 PARALLEL TRACKS of activities:
1) TALKS        Talks by various speakers (stream/DL video globally)
2) INSTALLFEST  Bring your computer & install BSD or GNU/Linux software.
3) POTLUCK      Bring food to share or $5: eat, chat (optional)
4) PROGRAMMING PARTY     Write SW on your. or a group. project

We will have IRC & VOIP communications between the groups, enabling
information sharing, & work on development projects, etc.  It's like a
GNU-Linux user group meeting, on a global scale. Or, it's like a whole
earth GNU-Linux user group meeting.

=====================================================================
=====  2) WHAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED SO FAR  =====

I'm doing this in my "spare" part time, as a volunteer effort for the
GNU(Linux)/BSD community.  By education I'm an electrical engineer (with
a bit of computer science).  I've been a GNU(Linux) user for about 10
years, and a member of San Francisco Bay Area & Silicon Valley LUGs for
that long.

When I decided to work on doing this, about 2 months ago, I decided to
just work slowly, steadily, & build it up a step at a time.

So far, we've had two successful local meetings here in Berkeley. A
first start up meeting, just to get together & talk & plan.  Next month
we worked on getting WiFi going at the meeting so it would be easy to
share an internet connection for everyone. We also got an IRC channel up
which the meeting attendees logged into.

Now, this month, I've gotten a Google Groups mailing list & web page for
both the local, & global groups.  And, I'm now working on sending out
the announcement about this meeting, & finding out which people at other
groups are interested in this.  And I'll try to work to help groups like
yours, that have members who are interested in this, get started in
getting connected with this meeting.

=====================================================================
=====  3) WHAT TO DO NEXT  =====

So, if anyone there is interested based on what I've said so far, there
are several things that could be done:

1) Reply to this email, letting me know what part(s) of this you,
personally, are interested in.
2) As part of that, discuss among your local selves if the individuals
who are interested would like to work to get a local simultaneous
meeting going.
3) Figure out who at your group would lead that effort, or would work on
arranging it.
4) Read the Berkeley-TIP-Global website, & join it's mailing list:
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

The Global group is open to anyone joining - not just the local group
leaders.  In fact, it is _encouraged_ that everyone interested in the
meeting join the list - the input on discussions from everyone
interested will benefit everyone else.

There is more to know about this event than I can put in this email. 
I've put much of that information up on the website, so I encourage you
to scan or read it over.  Hopefully that will answer most of the
questions you have.  If not, please join that group & post questions,
comments & suggestions for improvement to the mailing list.

=====================================================================
=====  4) JOIN WITH US TOMORROW, AUGUST 2                =====
=====     FOR THE FIRST BerkeleyTIP-Global-USA MEETING?  =====

If anyone in your group is a bit experienced, or up for some fun, you
might want to pull a meeting together & join with us tomorrow, Saturday
for our first effort to have a multi-site meeting.

This month, I'm just focusing on getting the word out to USA groups.  I
call this month the Global-USA effort.  In future months I'll expand it
to working to get groups connected from the Americas, Europe, then Asia.

It's easy to join in with us - 
1) Just find someplace with at least internet capability for IRC (better
if it could do VOIP, but that's not necessary for the first meeting) -
it could be merely someone's home or apartment, an internet cafe, or a
school or office room.
2) Post an announcement to your local list that everyone is invited.
3) Come to your local meeting & get on IRC with us.
4) Download some videos & watch them simultaneously with all the
participating groups.
5) Talk about the videos, or whatever, on IRC, or VOIP.

That's all there is to it.

=====================================================================
=====  5) VIDEO TALKS FOR AUGUST 2 MEETING  =====

For this first meeting, tomorrow, Saturday, I've scheduled the following
videos to watch (All times Pacific Daylight Savings Time, adjust for
local time accordingly.):

TENTATIVE SCHEDULE: 

1000 AM--------------------------------------------------------------
Network1:  Asterisk VOIP - Sameer Verma
                http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2148055040572903738
                http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/MeetingAgenda20070628
Social:     ?
1130 AM--------------------------------------------------------------
Network2:  Debian - Setup A WiFi Repeater
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJKe_jXszFc
Prog Lang:  Painless Python Part 1 - Alex Martelli
                http://youtube.com/watch?v=bDgD9whDfEY
                http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/2008-June/003629.html
Database:   A Googly MySQL Cluster 
                http://youtube.com/watch?v=HJ930zMk96U
100 PM--------------------------------------------------------------
GUIs:       ?
Distros:    git - Linus Torvalds
                http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2199332044603874737
230 PM--------------------------------------------------------------
Business:   Web 2.0 startups - David Weekly
                http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2765503550413131030
                http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/MeetingAgenda20080626
Education:  Python on the OLPC XO Laptop
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPabiIHgmBU

=====================================================================
=====  6) SUMMARY  =====

Well, that is the basic information.

Does this sound interesting to you?  Please reply to this email & let me
know.

I look forward to hearing from you. :)

http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal


From carl at carltm.com  Fri Aug  1 10:53:00 2008
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:53:00 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Who's in charge of this group? - Inter group meeting
	BerkeleyTIP-Global August 2 Saturday
Message-ID: <200808011453.m71Erk9Q026779@carltm.carltm.com>

officers at mdlug.org

Although it's okay to announce
Linux related events to the list.

c


-----Original Message-----

From:  "john_re" <john_re at fastmail.us>
Subj:  [mdlug] Who's in charge of this group? - Inter group meeting BerkeleyTIP-Global August 2 Saturday
Date:  Fri Aug 1, 2008 9:21 am
Size:  7K
To:  mdlug at mdlug.org

Hello from Berkeley, MDLUGers :)

Please tell me - who is in charge in this group?

I ask because I'm wondering: who are the person(s) who might be the ones
to help arrange & coordinate an inter group meeting?

I wonder that, because I'm putting together a great new event, a global
GNU(Linux)/BSD type software & free culture meeting.

It is a meeting for people interested in learning about, using &
creating GNU & BSD type software & culture.

I call the local Berkeley meeting the BerkeleyTIP - 
  (Talks, Installfest, Potluck & ProgrammingParty)

And I call the global simultaneous set of local meetings the
Berkeley-TIP-Global meeting.

I'm wondering
1) If anyone at your group might be interested in joining together in
this event with others around the world, and if so, then
2) who might be the person(s) to head up handling arrangements, &
coordination, etc, for the joint meeting?

If this sounds to you like it might be interesting, here is some info
for you to read:

=====  CONTENTS:
1) THE BASIC FACTS ABOUT THE MEETING
2) WHAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED SO FAR
3) WHAT TO DO NEXT
4) JOIN WITH US TOMORROW, AUGUST 2, SATURDAY
   FOR THE FIRST BerkeleyTIP-Global-USA MEETING?
5) VIDEO TALKS FOR AUGUST 2 MEETING
6) SUMMARY

=====================================================================
=====  1) THE BASIC FACTS ABOUT THE MEETING  =====

The basic idea is a monthly meeting, a full day at the beginning of each
month, the first Saturday of each month, simultaneous throughout Earth,
with these four components:

There are 4 PARALLEL TRACKS of activities:
1) TALKS        Talks by various speakers (stream/DL video globally)
2) INSTALLFEST  Bring your computer & install BSD or GNU/Linux software.
3) POTLUCK      Bring food to share or $5: eat, chat (optional)
4) PROGRAMMING PARTY     Write SW on your. or a group. project

We will have IRC & VOIP communications between the groups, enabling
information sharing, & work on development projects, etc.  It's like a
GNU-Linux user group meeting, on a global scale. Or, it's like a whole
earth GNU-Linux user group meeting.

=====================================================================
=====  2) WHAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED SO FAR  =====

I'm doing this in my "spare" part time, as a volunteer effort for the
GNU(Linux)/BSD community.  By education I'm an electrical engineer (with
a bit of computer science).  I've been a GNU(Linux) user for about 10
years, and a member of San Francisco Bay Area & Silicon Valley LUGs for
that long.

When I decided to work on doing this, about 2 months ago, I decided to
just work slowly, steadily, & build it up a step at a time.

So far, we've had two successful local meetings here in Berkeley. A
first start up meeting, just to get together & talk & plan.  Next month
we worked on getting WiFi going at the meeting so it would be easy to
share an internet connection for everyone. We also got an IRC channel up
which the meeting attendees logged into.

Now, this month, I've gotten a Google Groups mailing list & web page for
both the local, & global groups.  And, I'm now working on sending out
the announcement about this meeting, & finding out which people at other
groups are interested in this.  And I'll try to work to help groups like
yours, that have members who are interested in this, get started in
getting connected with this meeting.

=====================================================================
=====  3) WHAT TO DO NEXT  =====

So, if anyone there is interested based on what I've said so far, there
are several things that could be done:

1) Reply to this email, letting me know what part(s) of this you,
personally, are interested in.
2) As part of that, discuss among your local selves if the individuals
who are interested would like to work to get a local simultaneous
meeting going.
3) Figure out who at your group would lead that effort, or would work on
arranging it.
4) Read the Berkeley-TIP-Global website, & join it's mailing list:
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

The Global group is open to anyone joining - not just the local group
leaders.  In fact, it is _encouraged_ that everyone interested in the
meeting join the list - the input on discussions from everyone
interested will benefit everyone else.

There is more to know about this event than I can put in this email. 
I've put much of that information up on the website, so I encourage you
to scan or read it over.  Hopefully that will answer most of the
questions you have.  If not, please join that group & post questions,
comments & suggestions for improvement to the mailing list.

=====================================================================
=====  4) JOIN WITH US TOMORROW, AUGUST 2                =====
=====     FOR THE FIRST BerkeleyTIP-Global-USA MEETING?  =====

If anyone in your group is a bit experienced, or up for some fun, you
might want to pull a meeting together & join with us tomorrow, Saturday
for our first effort to have a multi-site meeting.

This month, I'm just focusing on getting the word out to USA groups.  I
call this month the Global-USA effort.  In future months I'll expand it
to working to get groups connected from the Americas, Europe, then Asia.

It's easy to join in with us - 
1) Just find someplace with at least internet capability for IRC (better
if it could do VOIP, but that's not necessary for the first meeting) -
it could be merely someone's home or apartment, an internet cafe, or a
school or office room.
2) Post an announcement to your local list that everyone is invited.
3) Come to your local meeting & get on IRC with us.
4) Download some videos & watch them simultaneously with all the
participating groups.
5) Talk about the videos, or whatever, on IRC, or VOIP.

That's all there is to it.

=====================================================================
=====  5) VIDEO TALKS FOR AUGUST 2 MEETING  =====

For this first meeting, tomorrow, Saturday, I've scheduled the following
videos to watch (All times Pacific Daylight Savings Time, adjust for
local time accordingly.):

TENTATIVE SCHEDULE: 

1000 AM--------------------------------------------------------------
Network1:  Asterisk VOIP - Sameer Verma
                http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2148055040572903738
                http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/MeetingAgenda20070628
Social:     ?
1130 AM--------------------------------------------------------------
Network2:  Debian - Setup A WiFi Repeater
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJKe_jXszFc
Prog Lang:  Painless Python Part 1 - Alex Martelli
                http://youtube.com/watch?v=bDgD9whDfEY
                http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/2008-June/003629.html
Database:   A Googly MySQL Cluster 
                http://youtube.com/watch?v=HJ930zMk96U
100 PM--------------------------------------------------------------
GUIs:       ?
Distros:    git - Linus Torvalds
                http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2199332044603874737
230 PM--------------------------------------------------------------
Business:   Web 2.0 startups - David Weekly
                http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2765503550413131030
                http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/MeetingAgenda20080626
Education:  Python on the OLPC XO Laptop
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPabiIHgmBU

=====================================================================
=====  6) SUMMARY  =====

Well, that is the basic information.

Does this sound interesting to you?  Please reply to this email & let me
know.

I look forward to hearing from you. :)

http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From john_re at fastmail.us  Fri Aug  1 13:35:36 2008
From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 10:35:36 -0700
Subject: [mdlug] Officers - Of interest? was- Re: Who's in charge of this
 group? - Inter group meeting BerkeleyTIP-Global August 2 Saturday
Message-ID: <1217612136.23515.1266537709@webmail.messagingengine.com>

1) Thanks for the info.
2) Hi Officers - is this of interest to you, or your group members?

=====
officers at mdlug.org

Although it's okay to announce
Linux related events to the list.-

c


-----Original Message-----

From:  "john_re" <john_re at fastmail.us>
Subj:  [mdlug] Who's in charge of this group? - Inter group meeting
BerkeleyTIP-Global August 2 Saturday
Date:  Fri Aug 1, 2008 9:21 am
Size:  7K
To:  mdlug at mdlug.org

Hello from Berkeley, MDLUGers :)

Please tell me - who is in charge in this group?

I ask because I'm wondering: who are the person(s) who might be the ones
to help arrange & coordinate an inter group meeting?

I wonder that, because I'm putting together a great new event, a global
GNU(Linux)/BSD type software & free culture meeting.

It is a meeting for people interested in learning about, using &
creating GNU & BSD type software & culture.

I call the local Berkeley meeting the BerkeleyTIP - 
  (Talks, Installfest, Potluck & ProgrammingParty)

And I call the global simultaneous set of local meetings the
Berkeley-TIP-Global meeting.

I'm wondering
1) If anyone at your group might be interested in joining together in
this event with others around the world, and if so, then
2) who might be the person(s) to head up handling arrangements, &
coordination, etc, for the joint meeting?

If this sounds to you like it might be interesting, here is some info
for you to read:

=====  CONTENTS:
1) THE BASIC FACTS ABOUT THE MEETING
2) WHAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED SO FAR
3) WHAT TO DO NEXT
4) JOIN WITH US TOMORROW, AUGUST 2, SATURDAY
   FOR THE FIRST BerkeleyTIP-Global-USA MEETING?
5) VIDEO TALKS FOR AUGUST 2 MEETING
6) SUMMARY

=====================================================================
=====  1) THE BASIC FACTS ABOUT THE MEETING  =====

The basic idea is a monthly meeting, a full day at the beginning of each
month, the first Saturday of each month, simultaneous throughout Earth,
with these four components:

There are 4 PARALLEL TRACKS of activities:
1) TALKS        Talks by various speakers (stream/DL video globally)
2) INSTALLFEST  Bring your computer & install BSD or GNU/Linux software.
3) POTLUCK      Bring food to share or $5: eat, chat (optional)
4) PROGRAMMING PARTY     Write SW on your. or a group. project

We will have IRC & VOIP communications between the groups, enabling
information sharing, & work on development projects, etc.  It's like a
GNU-Linux user group meeting, on a global scale. Or, it's like a whole
earth GNU-Linux user group meeting.


From Stan at mcomputersolutions.com  Sun Aug  3 22:07:28 2008
From: Stan at mcomputersolutions.com (Stan Green)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 22:07:28 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] e2fsck - What to do?
Message-ID: <200808032207.28602.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>

First a little background:

I was copying data over NFS when the target computer locked up. I had to 
hard-boot it to get it back. When it came back up, the drive I was copying to 
was not mounted. (Normally it is.) The log showed:
EXT2-fs error (device hdg1): ext2_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group 
1280 not in group (block 65545)!
EXT2-fs: group descriptors corrupted!

So I ran mke2fs -n /dev/hdg1 to which gave me a superblock, 98304 that I could 
use. I than ran: e2fsck -b 98304 /dev/hdg1

This started producing a large number (I canceled once and it showed 511 
errors) of error all in the pattern:
Block bitmap for group 0 is not in group.  (block 1493433566)
Relocate<y>? yes

Inode bitmap for group 0 is not in group.  (block 772925346)
Relocate<y>? yes

Inode table for group 0 is not in group.  (block 1931314432)
WARNING: SEVERE DATA LOSS POSSIBLE.
Relocate<y>?

The question is am I on the right track to recover this drive and if so what 
should I answer to the last question. (I don't want SEVERE DATA LOSS!) I was 
answering No, but quit after about 40 sets of messages. Lastly, is there any 
way to automate this so I don't have to sit an hit Y 1500 times?

Thanks,
Stan Green



From otakurider at gmail.com  Sun Aug  3 14:22:14 2008
From: otakurider at gmail.com (-)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:22:14 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Lenovo T61p MMC/SD card Ubuntu 8.04
Message-ID: <cd5131a50808031122n4a6e8faao57879b116894420@mail.gmail.com>

I am trying to get a Canon MMC 32Meg card working on a Lenovo T61p with
Ubuntu 8.04 - The light will flash for 2 blinks when I insert the card then
stop - nothing I can see in syslog, Dmesg or messages files in /var/log.   I
have tried tail -f all the logs to see if it will register anything but
nothing is written to the files at the time I insert the card.


only MMC I can find is in dmesg

[   20.549109] ricoh-mmc: Ricoh MMC Controller disabling driver
[   20.549112] ricoh-mmc: Copyright(c) Philip Langdale
[   20.549150] ricoh-mmc: Ricoh MMC controller found at 0000:15:00.3
[1180:0843] (rev 11)
[   20.549167] ricoh-mmc: Controller is now disabled.

not sure if its of any value


Thanks in advance

Pat


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Sat Aug  2 15:37:11 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 15:37:11 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] Future of Alpine/UW-imapd
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808021322330.2261@banana.sluggo.net>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808021322330.2261@banana.sluggo.net>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90808021237k13fee662o319b67e540916c1d@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Michael Corral <micorral at comcast.net> wrote:
> I just heard about this today:
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.mail.imap/browse_thread/thread/7187f4d1f4478184/a0c4c96c4d365eb0?lnk=gst&q=thanks+fish#
>
> The Univ. of Washington laid off most of the Alpine development staff
> back in May. It's not clear what will happen to Alpine or UW-imapd.
> I'll keep using Alpine as my mail client no matter what, but as a
> long-time Pine/Alpine user, it's sad to hear what happened.

I use Gmail and don't have much use for offline clients.  Web email is
much more convenient as I can access it from anywhere with any PC.  I
don't live through email so I'm not inconvenienced much when I don't
have Internet access but with free WiFi hotspots (and insecure home
networks) it's rare that I can't get it.  I suspect a lot of clients
will be abandoned in the future:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_e-mail_clients

I remember when Pegasus was all the rage back in the early Netware days.


From micorral at comcast.net  Sat Aug  2 13:27:33 2008
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:27:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Future of Alpine/UW-imapd
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808021322330.2261@banana.sluggo.net>

I just heard about this today:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.mail.imap/browse_thread/thread/7187f4d1f4478184/a0c4c96c4d365eb0?lnk=gst&q=thanks+fish#

The Univ. of Washington laid off most of the Alpine development staff
back in May. It's not clear what will happen to Alpine or UW-imapd.
I'll keep using Alpine as my mail client no matter what, but as a
long-time Pine/Alpine user, it's sad to hear what happened.

Michael


From mathew.enders at prodigy.net  Sun Aug  3 23:04:28 2008
From: mathew.enders at prodigy.net (Mathew Enders)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 23:04:28 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Mounting a samba share
Message-ID: <1217819068.6663.21.camel@MOBIL-01>

I am having a bit of difficulty mounting a samba share.  The share is on
a linux server running samba.  It needs to be a samba share as local
windows clients connect to it.

Here is my /etc/fstab

/dev/md1                /                       ext3    defaults        1 1
/dev/md2                /var                    ext3    defaults        1 2
/dev/md0                /boot                   ext3    defaults        1 2
tmpfs                   /dev/shm                tmpfs   defaults        0 0
devpts                  /dev/pts                devpts  gid=5,mode=620  0 0
sysfs                   /sys                    sysfs   defaults        0 0
proc                    /proc                   proc    defaults        0 0
LABEL=SWAP-hda2         swap                    swap    defaults        0 0
LABEL=SWAP-hdb4         swap                    swap    defaults        0 0
//192.168.1.101/staff /rmt-mnt/gaud-it cifs credentials=/home/ruser/.smbpasswd,uid=ruser,gid=ruser 0 0
//192.168.1.101/staff /rmt-mnt/level-2 cifs credentials=/home/lvl-two/.smbpasswd,uid=lvl-two,gid=lvl-two 0 0

The bottom 2 are the samba share the first one mounts fine and readable
and writable by ruser.  The second one does not mount the reason given
during boot is error 13 opening credentials /home/lvl-two/.smbpasswd

Hers is /etc/mtab after boot.

/dev/md1 / ext3 rw 0 0
proc /proc proc rw 0 0
sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 0
devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0
/dev/md2 /var ext3 rw 0 0
/dev/md0 /boot ext3 rw 0 0
tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0
none /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc binfmt_misc rw 0 0
sunrpc /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs rpc_pipefs rw 0 0
//192.168.1.101/staff /rmt-mnt/gaud-it cifs rw,mand 0 0

Notice the mounted samba share at the bottom.

Here is an ls -AL of ruser home directory showing the credentiels
file .smbpasswd.

drwxr-xr-x 3 ruser ruser 4096 Aug  3 21:31 .nautilus
-rw------- 1 ruser ruser   30 Aug  2 22:10 .smbpasswd
drwx------ 2 ruser ruser 4096 Aug  3 18:58 .ssh

Here is an ls -Al of lvl-two home directory showing the creden tials
file .smbpasswd.

-rw-r--r-- 1 lvl-two lvl-two  876 Aug  3 21:27 .recently-used.xbel
-rw------- 1 lvl-two lvl-two   32 Aug  3 22:04 .smbpasswd
drwx------ 2 lvl-two lvl-two 4096 Aug  3 21:26 .Trash


Thanks for any help in this matter



From peter at petertheplumber.net  Mon Aug  4 06:44:40 2008
From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:44:40 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Lenovo T61p MMC/SD card Ubuntu 8.04
In-Reply-To: <cd5131a50808031122n4a6e8faao57879b116894420@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cd5131a50808031122n4a6e8faao57879b116894420@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1217846680.4410.2.camel@peter-notebook.site>


On Sun, 2008-08-03 at 14:22 -0400, - wrote:
> I am trying to get a Canon MMC 32Meg card working on a Lenovo T61p with
> Ubuntu 8.04 - The light will flash for 2 blinks when I insert the card then
> stop - nothing I can see in syslog, Dmesg or messages files in /var/log.   I
> have tried tail -f all the logs to see if it will register anything but
> nothing is written to the files at the time I insert the card.
> 
> 
> only MMC I can find is in dmesg
> 
> [   20.549109] ricoh-mmc: Ricoh MMC Controller disabling driver
> [   20.549112] ricoh-mmc: Copyright(c) Philip Langdale
> [   20.549150] ricoh-mmc: Ricoh MMC controller found at 0000:15:00.3
> [1180:0843] (rev 11)
> [   20.549167] ricoh-mmc: Controller is now disabled.
> 
> not sure if its of any value
> 

Pat,
	I have a T61 with a card reader and have never been able to access my
RS-MMC cards, of which I have several. I think it's somewhere in the
spec that the reader itself does not support MMC? FWIW.

Best Regards,
-- 
Peter Bart <peter at petertheplumber.net>
http://petertheplumber.net



From peter at petertheplumber.net  Mon Aug  4 06:47:59 2008
From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:47:59 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] Future of Alpine/UW-imapd
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e90808021237k13fee662o319b67e540916c1d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808021322330.2261@banana.sluggo.net>
	<b02c40e90808021237k13fee662o319b67e540916c1d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1217846879.4410.5.camel@peter-notebook.site>


On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 15:37 -0400, Jeff Hanson wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Michael Corral <micorral at comcast.net> wrote:
> > I just heard about this today:
> > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.mail.imap/browse_thread/thread/7187f4d1f4478184/a0c4c96c4d365eb0?lnk=gst&q=thanks+fish#
> >
> > The Univ. of Washington laid off most of the Alpine development staff
> > back in May. It's not clear what will happen to Alpine or UW-imapd.
> > I'll keep using Alpine as my mail client no matter what, but as a
> > long-time Pine/Alpine user, it's sad to hear what happened.
> 
> I use Gmail and don't have much use for offline clients.  Web email is
> much more convenient as I can access it from anywhere with any PC.  I
> don't live through email so I'm not inconvenienced much when I don't
> have Internet access but with free WiFi hotspots (and insecure home
> networks) it's rare that I can't get it.  I suspect a lot of clients
> will be abandoned in the future:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_e-mail_clients
> 
> I remember when Pegasus was all the rage back in the early Netware days.

	I'm on the opposite end, I use exclusively pc based programs because
invariably when I need something I have no connection.

Best Regards,
-- 
Peter Bart <peter at petertheplumber.net>
http://petertheplumber.net



From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Mon Aug  4 08:54:15 2008
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 08:54:15 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] e2fsck - What to do?
In-Reply-To: <200808032207.28602.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
References: <200808032207.28602.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
Message-ID: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605B385@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>

Fsck has the -y option to "just do it."  If you are having that many
issues with the drive, you may want to try other measures to get your
data back, first, if it is important.  I'm no data recovery expert,
though, so I defer to someone more knowledgeable in this area.  I just
wanted to make sure you knew about the -y option and its implications if
you did use it.

Along the same lines, for commands that don't have a -f or -y to answer
yes for you, there is the greatest command of all time: yes.  For
example, (stupid example, but it shows the point):

# yes | rm -ri /tmp/*



-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf
Of Stan Green
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 10:07 PM
To: MDLUG
Subject: [mdlug] e2fsck - What to do?

First a little background:

I was copying data over NFS when the target computer locked up. I had to

hard-boot it to get it back. When it came back up, the drive I was
copying to 
was not mounted. (Normally it is.) The log showed:
EXT2-fs error (device hdg1): ext2_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for
group 
1280 not in group (block 65545)!
EXT2-fs: group descriptors corrupted!

So I ran mke2fs -n /dev/hdg1 to which gave me a superblock, 98304 that I
could 
use. I than ran: e2fsck -b 98304 /dev/hdg1

This started producing a large number (I canceled once and it showed 511

errors) of error all in the pattern:
Block bitmap for group 0 is not in group.  (block 1493433566)
Relocate<y>? yes

Inode bitmap for group 0 is not in group.  (block 772925346)
Relocate<y>? yes

Inode table for group 0 is not in group.  (block 1931314432)
WARNING: SEVERE DATA LOSS POSSIBLE.
Relocate<y>?

The question is am I on the right track to recover this drive and if so
what 
should I answer to the last question. (I don't want SEVERE DATA LOSS!) I
was 
answering No, but quit after about 40 sets of messages. Lastly, is there
any 
way to automate this so I don't have to sit an hit Y 1500 times?

Thanks,
Stan Green

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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Mon Aug  4 09:32:46 2008
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 09:32:46 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] e2fsck - What to do?
In-Reply-To: <200808032207.28602.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370120B110@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Stan Green

> The question is am I on the right track to recover this drive 
> and if so what should I answer to the last question.

 If you can hook up some storage, you could use "dd" to take an image of
the partition as it exists now. That way, you can make copies and try a couple
different ways of recovering. The command would be like "dd if=/dev/[the device,
e.g. sdb5] of=[filename]".

 Also, it does you no good now, but in the future, a journaling filesystem like
ext3 or XFS or JFS handles these situations better. :-<

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                              (313) 227-2317

  "You can't fool me! I listen to public radio!" - Squidward Tentacles
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From list1c30fe42 at bellsouth.net  Mon Aug  4 09:37:21 2008
From: list1c30fe42 at bellsouth.net (Robert Meier)
Date: Mon,  4 Aug 2008 09:37:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] e2fsck - What to do?
In-Reply-To: <200808032207.28602.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com> (message from
	Stan Green on Sun, 3 Aug 2008 22:07:28 -0400)
References: <200808032207.28602.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
Message-ID: <20080804133721.A083613EC08@starfox.local>

Stan,

> The question is am I on the right track [blindly accepting e2fsck
> recommendations] to recover this drive and if so what 
> should I answer to the last question.

[Read below regarding answers before continuing totally blind.]

I think you are on the right track.
The bitmap is a cache,
and the error is reporting a mismatch between the actual inode state,
and its cached state.

Relocating (duplicating probably deleted data)
is the safer course of action.
The risk is that something (e.g. a bad sector) prevented updating an
actual inode involved in system configuration, and that after relocation
the bad dupe is used.
Responding, as you are, to the first report of fsck error,
the worst I've personally encountered,
after accepting all of fsck's normal recommendations,
is to find the actual files (or recently-changed portions) in lost+found/ ,
and the requirement to reconnect the actual files.

I've seen others continue to use a disk with fsck errors,
soon find the frequency of errors growing,
and (by the time I was involved) suffer permanent data loss.



> (I don't want SEVERE DATA LOSS!) I was answering No,
> but quit after about 40 sets of messages.

If the data is valuable enough, I suggest you get a spare disk drive,
create a partition of the same size, dd(1) the contents of the
suspect disk to the copy partition on the spare drive, and recover the copy.
If the outcome is not desirable, you can repeat the process (with
answers varied according to why the outcome was not desirable).



> Lastly, is there any way to automate this so I don't have to sit
> an hit Y 1500 times?

fsck -n > file-on-other-disk.fsck
e2fsck will report to a file, so that you can examine it more systematically.

fsck -y

e2fsck (and fsck in general) nominally separates operations into
those considered safe, and performed automatically with -y,
and those considered unsafe, and performed only with approval or -p.

> Inode bitmap for group 0 is not in group.  (block 772925346)
> Relocate<y>? yes

This indicates that fsck thinks this is a safe operation
(i.e. the data may end up in /lost+found,
 but should not be immediately lost.)

> Inode table for group 0 is not in group.  (block 1931314432)
> WARNING: SEVERE DATA LOSS POSSIBLE.
> Relocate<y>?

This indicates that fsck thinks this is a risky operation
(i.e. data may be immediately lost).
My practice is to always answer n, during the first pass,
and if it repeats (less than 10%), do further research
(e.g. find the data referenced by block 1931314432).



The value of hitting Y 1500 times, is that you can record the inode
numbers, which usually map linearly to the offset within the data
image, thereby usually identifying the files at risk and where
the lost data might be.

Despite the tedium (and need to rediscover the linear map each time)
I've found it worth recording (esp. if fsck -n was supported)
the inodes each time.

Hopefully helpful,
-- 
Bob

  "Spammers seem to assume that you are heavily in debt,
   under-endowed, impotent, jobless, without a college diploma,
   without insurance, in need of prepaid legal representation,
   and need to investigate those closest to you. In other
   words, they are selling to themselves!"
      -- Raymond Ingles 2002



From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Mon Aug  4 12:46:29 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:46:29 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Lenovo T61p MMC/SD card Ubuntu 8.04
In-Reply-To: <cd5131a50808031122n4a6e8faao57879b116894420@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cd5131a50808031122n4a6e8faao57879b116894420@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90808040946l514c2ee6n87c0ec6a4a19a75e@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 2:22 PM, - <otakurider at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am trying to get a Canon MMC 32Meg card working on a Lenovo T61p with
> Ubuntu 8.04 - The light will flash for 2 blinks when I insert the card then
> stop - nothing I can see in syslog, Dmesg or messages files in /var/log.   I
> have tried tail -f all the logs to see if it will register anything but
> nothing is written to the files at the time I insert the card.
>
>
> only MMC I can find is in dmesg
>
> [   20.549109] ricoh-mmc: Ricoh MMC Controller disabling driver
> [   20.549112] ricoh-mmc: Copyright(c) Philip Langdale
> [   20.549150] ricoh-mmc: Ricoh MMC controller found at 0000:15:00.3
> [1180:0843] (rev 11)
> [   20.549167] ricoh-mmc: Controller is now disabled.
>
> not sure if its of any value

What is the output of "lspci"?

I did find this interesting post:
http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/10/1/375

And this old bug:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/111089

And other bugs that mention it:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=ricoh-mmc&orderby=-datecreated


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Mon Aug  4 13:03:26 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:03:26 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] e2fsck - What to do?
In-Reply-To: <200808032207.28602.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
References: <200808032207.28602.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90808041003o7c1b6688l2ea6669f4e8a4ae2@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Stan Green <Stan at mcomputersolutions.com> wrote:
> First a little background:
>
> I was copying data over NFS when the target computer locked up. I had to
> hard-boot it to get it back.

I would try to figure out why it failed in the first place.  Check
memory with memtest86, make sure fans are working and CPU isn't
overheating, look for loose cables, blow out the dirt.


From otakurider at gmail.com  Mon Aug  4 15:01:50 2008
From: otakurider at gmail.com (-)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:01:50 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Lenovo T61p MMC/SD card Ubuntu 8.04
In-Reply-To: <1217846680.4410.2.camel@peter-notebook.site>
References: <cd5131a50808031122n4a6e8faao57879b116894420@mail.gmail.com>
	<1217846680.4410.2.camel@peter-notebook.site>
Message-ID: <cd5131a50808041201k7f61f79ahda45e99a0cbe2e7b@mail.gmail.com>

Thank all for the help - I found the problem - its the Canon card that is
not supported - tryed a pna ant it worked great - still had to manually
mount the card but thats fie with me


Thanks again all

Pat.



On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 6:44 AM, Peter Bart <peter at petertheplumber.net>
wrote:

>
> On Sun, 2008-08-03 at 14:22 -0400, - wrote:
> > I am trying to get a Canon MMC 32Meg card working on a Lenovo T61p with
> > Ubuntu 8.04 - The light will flash for 2 blinks when I insert the card
> then
> > stop - nothing I can see in syslog, Dmesg or messages files in /var/log.
>   I
> > have tried tail -f all the logs to see if it will register anything but
> > nothing is written to the files at the time I insert the card.
> >
> >
> > only MMC I can find is in dmesg
> >
> > [   20.549109] ricoh-mmc: Ricoh MMC Controller disabling driver
> > [   20.549112] ricoh-mmc: Copyright(c) Philip Langdale
> > [   20.549150] ricoh-mmc: Ricoh MMC controller found at 0000:15:00.3
> > [1180:0843] (rev 11)
> > [   20.549167] ricoh-mmc: Controller is now disabled.
> >
> > not sure if its of any value
> >
>
> Pat,
>        I have a T61 with a card reader and have never been able to access
> my
> RS-MMC cards, of which I have several. I think it's somewhere in the
> spec that the reader itself does not support MMC? FWIW.
>
> Best Regards,
> --
> Peter Bart <peter at petertheplumber.net>
> http://petertheplumber.net
>
> _______________________________________________
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> mdlug at mdlug.org
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>


From otakurider at gmail.com  Mon Aug  4 15:07:23 2008
From: otakurider at gmail.com (-)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:07:23 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Ghost a linux partition
Message-ID: <cd5131a50808041207p4d70e00ap5b5e5baf52198694@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone use windows version of ghost to image a linux partition?  I am
running Redhat V3 Enterprise- mirrored  HDD - the place I will be doing it
at is a real windows heavy so they will be wanting to use the windows
version of Ghost if it works.


Thanks

Pat


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Mon Aug  4 15:13:37 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:13:37 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Ghost a linux partition
In-Reply-To: <cd5131a50808041207p4d70e00ap5b5e5baf52198694@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cd5131a50808041207p4d70e00ap5b5e5baf52198694@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90808041213q31eb79b8x6b51351a0ad57925@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 3:07 PM, - <otakurider at gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone use windows version of ghost to image a linux partition?  I am
> running Redhat V3 Enterprise- mirrored  HDD - the place I will be doing it
> at is a real windows heavy so they will be wanting to use the windows
> version of Ghost if it works.

Ghost works at drive level so it can image anything.  With a known
file system it can save space by only imaging used sectors and be able
to resize it.  It supports ext3.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_software


From robert.citek at gmail.com  Mon Aug  4 15:48:22 2008
From: robert.citek at gmail.com (Robert Citek)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:48:22 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Lenovo T61p MMC/SD card Ubuntu 8.04
In-Reply-To: <cd5131a50808041201k7f61f79ahda45e99a0cbe2e7b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cd5131a50808031122n4a6e8faao57879b116894420@mail.gmail.com>
	<1217846680.4410.2.camel@peter-notebook.site>
	<cd5131a50808041201k7f61f79ahda45e99a0cbe2e7b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4145b6790808041248q2bb7bd03qf7a72f79837df7e4@mail.gmail.com>

A solution I use is this multi-card reader/writer from Sony:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3516755&CatId=2825

Makes my various cards look like a USB storage device.

Regards,
- Robert

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:01 PM, - <otakurider at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank all for the help - I found the problem - its the Canon card that is
> not supported - tryed a pna ant it worked great - still had to manually
> mount the card but thats fie with me


From peter at petertheplumber.net  Mon Aug  4 19:46:28 2008
From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:46:28 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Lenovo T61p MMC/SD card Ubuntu 8.04
In-Reply-To: <cd5131a50808041201k7f61f79ahda45e99a0cbe2e7b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cd5131a50808031122n4a6e8faao57879b116894420@mail.gmail.com>
	<1217846680.4410.2.camel@peter-notebook.site>
	<cd5131a50808041201k7f61f79ahda45e99a0cbe2e7b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1217893588.4410.8.camel@peter-notebook.site>


On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 15:01 -0400, - wrote:
> Thank all for the help - I found the problem - its the Canon card that is
> not supported - tryed a pna ant it worked great - still had to manually
> mount the card but thats fie with me
> 
> Thanks again all
> 
> Pat.

	Interesting, I never thought to try that!
-- 
Peter Bart <peter at petertheplumber.net>
http://petertheplumber.net



From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Tue Aug  5 13:50:04 2008
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:50:04 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] e2fsck - What to do?
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e90808041003o7c1b6688l2ea6669f4e8a4ae2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200808032207.28602.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
	<b02c40e90808041003o7c1b6688l2ea6669f4e8a4ae2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b67fb0380808051050kdffd24n8b8a280460d5d4cc@mail.gmail.com>

--- Jeff Hanson wrote:

> --- Stan Green wrote:
>> I was copying data over NFS when the target computer locked up.
>> I had to hard-boot it to get it back.

> I would try to figure out why it failed in the first place.  Check
> memory with memtest86, make sure fans are working and CPU isn't
> overheating, look for loose cables, blow out the dirt.

Even MORE likely these days are bad electrolytic capacitors, leading
to CPU lock-ups or power supply failure -- especially if the unit is
more than a couple of years old.  Look around the CPU socket and open
the power supply (ignore the warnings, just leave it unplugged for 15
minutes or more) and look for these:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_Plague>
They are usually pretty easy to spot, even to the untrained eye.

~~ Mikey


From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Tue Aug  5 14:08:46 2008
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:08:46 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] OT: Anyone have some PC2100 RAM laying around?
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370120B114@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

I've got a machine that'd be just about perfect for my niece, except it
only has 128MB RAM. Does anyone have some PC2100 DIMMS they don't need?
Thanks...

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                               (313) 227-2317

 "When only multibillion-dollar corporations can afford to hire the army
    of lawyers and CPAs required to comply with the tax laws, the only
 legal businesses will be multibillion-dollar corporations." - Tackhead
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From Stan at mcomputersolutions.com  Tue Aug  5 21:02:05 2008
From: Stan at mcomputersolutions.com (Stan Green)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:02:05 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] e2fsck - What to do?
In-Reply-To: <b67fb0380808051050kdffd24n8b8a280460d5d4cc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200808032207.28602.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
	<b02c40e90808041003o7c1b6688l2ea6669f4e8a4ae2@mail.gmail.com>
	<b67fb0380808051050kdffd24n8b8a280460d5d4cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200808052102.05694.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>

On Tuesday 05 August 2008 13:50, Michael Rudas wrote:
> --- Jeff Hanson wrote:
> > --- Stan Green wrote:
> >> I was copying data over NFS when the target computer locked up.
> >> I had to hard-boot it to get it back.
> >
> > I would try to figure out why it failed in the first place.  Check
> > memory with memtest86, make sure fans are working and CPU isn't
> > overheating, look for loose cables, blow out the dirt.
>
> Even MORE likely these days are bad electrolytic capacitors, leading
> to CPU lock-ups or power supply failure -- especially if the unit is
> more than a couple of years old.  Look around the CPU socket and open
> the power supply (ignore the warnings, just leave it unplugged for 15
> minutes or more) and look for these:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_Plague>
> They are usually pretty easy to spot, even to the untrained eye.

The lockups started when I put in a Promise SATA300 TX4 controller. (Also put 
in a new 650W power supply at the same time as the old one would not spin up 
the three new hard drives.) I did not see any expanded caps when I had the 
box open. I think the issue with lockups is the SATA card. I plan to remove 
it in the near future and see if the system gets "better". 

Promise only certifies there driver for SuSE 9.1 and I am running 10.1. This 
may be the issue. I have not been able to compile the driver from source, but 
have not had the time to try real hard.

Stan


From Stan at mcomputersolutions.com  Tue Aug  5 21:05:41 2008
From: Stan at mcomputersolutions.com (Stan Green)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:05:41 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] e2fsck - What to do?
In-Reply-To: <20080804133721.A083613EC08@starfox.local>
References: <200808032207.28602.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
	<20080804133721.A083613EC08@starfox.local>
Message-ID: <200808052105.42012.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>

Bob,

Thanks for the extensive write up. I like the idea of working on a copy so 
if/when I mess it up, I can go back and start over. I first need to configure 
things so I have enough free space to make a copy. Once I have that, I can 
get started.

Thanks,
Stan
On Monday 04 August 2008 09:37, Robert Meier wrote:
> Stan,
>
> > The question is am I on the right track [blindly accepting e2fsck
> > recommendations] to recover this drive and if so what
> > should I answer to the last question.
>
> [Read below regarding answers before continuing totally blind.]
>
> I think you are on the right track.
> The bitmap is a cache,
> and the error is reporting a mismatch between the actual inode state,
> and its cached state.
>
> Relocating (duplicating probably deleted data)
> is the safer course of action.
> The risk is that something (e.g. a bad sector) prevented updating an
> actual inode involved in system configuration, and that after relocation
> the bad dupe is used.
> Responding, as you are, to the first report of fsck error,
> the worst I've personally encountered,
> after accepting all of fsck's normal recommendations,
> is to find the actual files (or recently-changed portions) in lost+found/ ,
> and the requirement to reconnect the actual files.
>
> I've seen others continue to use a disk with fsck errors,
> soon find the frequency of errors growing,
> and (by the time I was involved) suffer permanent data loss.
>
> > (I don't want SEVERE DATA LOSS!) I was answering No,
> > but quit after about 40 sets of messages.
>
> If the data is valuable enough, I suggest you get a spare disk drive,
> create a partition of the same size, dd(1) the contents of the
> suspect disk to the copy partition on the spare drive, and recover the
> copy. If the outcome is not desirable, you can repeat the process (with
> answers varied according to why the outcome was not desirable).
>
> > Lastly, is there any way to automate this so I don't have to sit
> > an hit Y 1500 times?
>
> fsck -n > file-on-other-disk.fsck
> e2fsck will report to a file, so that you can examine it more
> systematically.
>
> fsck -y
>
> e2fsck (and fsck in general) nominally separates operations into
> those considered safe, and performed automatically with -y,
> and those considered unsafe, and performed only with approval or -p.
>
> > Inode bitmap for group 0 is not in group.  (block 772925346)
> > Relocate<y>? yes
>
> This indicates that fsck thinks this is a safe operation
> (i.e. the data may end up in /lost+found,
>  but should not be immediately lost.)
>
> > Inode table for group 0 is not in group.  (block 1931314432)
> > WARNING: SEVERE DATA LOSS POSSIBLE.
> > Relocate<y>?
>
> This indicates that fsck thinks this is a risky operation
> (i.e. data may be immediately lost).
> My practice is to always answer n, during the first pass,
> and if it repeats (less than 10%), do further research
> (e.g. find the data referenced by block 1931314432).
>
>
>
> The value of hitting Y 1500 times, is that you can record the inode
> numbers, which usually map linearly to the offset within the data
> image, thereby usually identifying the files at risk and where
> the lost data might be.
>
> Despite the tedium (and need to rediscover the linear map each time)
> I've found it worth recording (esp. if fsck -n was supported)
> the inodes each time.
>
> Hopefully helpful,


From mdlug at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug  7 09:02:29 2008
From: mdlug at sbcglobal.net (Dean Durant)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:02:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] OT: free old workstations
Message-ID: <956650.5812.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello all, my company has a bunch of old workstations, HP, IBM, and SGI, and some old sun servers.  All free for the asking.  Only requirement is, come get one, and don't throw it away.  
Some of the HPs have up to 4 GB ram.  C3000s, c3600s, and some C3750s.
And some scsi disks for the HPs.  

Location is Auburn Hills.  Squirrel and Auburn.  Part way to Opdyke


From lberns1 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  7 09:21:13 2008
From: lberns1 at yahoo.com (E. Dean Sahutske)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:21:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] OT: free old workstations
Message-ID: <913268.34291.qm@web54503.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

That's right down the street from me.  What's the exact locale?

 E. Dean Sahutske
http://www.jazzstageproductions.com
http://www.jazzstage.us
http://www.lberns.com




----- Original Message ----
From: Dean Durant <mdlug at sbcglobal.net>
To: md lug <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 9:02:29 AM
Subject: [mdlug] OT: free old workstations

Hello all, my company has a bunch of old workstations, HP, IBM, and SGI, and some old sun servers.  All free for the asking.  Only requirement is, come get one, and don't throw it away.  
Some of the HPs have up to 4 GB ram.  C3000s, c3600s, and some C3750s.
And some scsi disks for the HPs.  

Location is Auburn Hills.  Squirrel and Auburn.  Part way to Opdyke
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From tesral at comcast.net  Thu Aug  7 09:36:00 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:36:00 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] OT: free old workstations
In-Reply-To: <956650.5812.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <956650.5812.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <489AFA40.7060307@comcast.net>

Dean Durant wrote:
> Hello all, my company has a bunch of old workstations, HP, IBM, and SGI, and some old sun servers.  All free for the asking.  Only requirement is, come get one, and don't throw it away.  
> Some of the HPs have up to 4 GB ram.  C3000s, c3600s, and some C3750s.
> And some scsi disks for the HPs.  
>
> Location is Auburn Hills.  Squirrel and Auburn.  Part way to Opdyke
>   

I'll be out that way tomorrow on normal business.  If anyone wants one 
(or two I have limited room) I'll pick up one or two.  I am swallowing 
hard and NOT getting one.  I have enough machines now.

Delivery at the MDLUG meeting Saturday.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From tesral at comcast.net  Thu Aug  7 09:40:27 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:40:27 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Late reminder
Message-ID: <489AFB4B.30503@comcast.net>

DCG meeting at myplace tonight.  7:00

Be there or be ... elsewhere.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From mdlug at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug  7 09:48:48 2008
From: mdlug at sbcglobal.net (Dean Durant)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:48:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] OT: free old workstations
In-Reply-To: <913268.34291.qm@web54503.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <511314.47867.qm@web81806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

275 Rex Blvd.    about 1/2 way between squirrel and opdyke, just before 1-75, back up against the woods.   I'm at home now, but I'll be in later.

You can email me at dean.durant at edag-us.com if you want.  

"E. Dean Sahutske" <lberns1 at yahoo.com> wrote: That's right down the street from me.  What's the exact locale?

 E. Dean Sahutske
http://www.jazzstageproductions.com
http://www.jazzstage.us
http://www.lberns.com




----- Original Message ----
From: Dean Durant 
To: md lug 
Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 9:02:29 AM
Subject: [mdlug] OT: free old workstations

Hello all, my company has a bunch of old workstations, HP, IBM, and SGI, and some old sun servers.  All free for the asking.  Only requirement is, come get one, and don't throw it away.  
Some of the HPs have up to 4 GB ram.  C3000s, c3600s, and some C3750s.
And some scsi disks for the HPs.  

Location is Auburn Hills.  Squirrel and Auburn.  Part way to Opdyke
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From mdlug at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug  7 14:19:58 2008
From: mdlug at sbcglobal.net (Dean Durant)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:19:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] please do *not* show up unannounced
Message-ID: <524769.92448.qm@web81808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello, someone apparently showed up where I work wanting to take a computer.   I was not here.   I was at the dentist.   After the dentist, I went out to lunch.   I didn't show up at work until 1:30.    I don't want people coming during the day anyway.    
   
  I was completely blindsided and it didn't look good.   I will contact people individually who have contacted me.    Tonight could actually be good because I expect to be here late, but not too late.   Tomorrow might be good too.   Tomorrow *evening*. 
   
  People also need to understand about the "do not landfill" requirement.   At least, if you get something, keep it for a few years, and maybe try to recycle it.   I know, this is difficult.    But this is part of what my boss wants to do with them.   Reuse, yes.   But also recycle.    


From gib at juno.com  Thu Aug  7 14:25:18 2008
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:25:18 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Positions - Wash D.C. - Ajilon
Message-ID: <20080807.142518.18895.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>

 
This position announcement is from the Senior Vice President of Ajion. A large IT consulting and placement company.

---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Hi Gibson

Per our discussion at the cruise about MDLUG,  I am forwarding the following opportunity.  These are Permanent positions in the Wash DC area.  If you know anyone that might be interested, please have them contact me.


Linux Developer Perm
REQUIRED YEARS OF RELEVANT EXPERIENCE:  
???SENIOR:  8-10 YEARS OF RELEVANT EXPERIENCE

REQUIRED YEARS OF INDUSTRY EXPERIENCE:
???SENIOR:  15-20 YEARS OF INDUSTRY EXPERIENCE

SALARY RANGE:
???SENIOR:  $110-$130K


Position:  (Use Red)Senior Linux Developer

Clearance:No active clearance required, but must be US Citizen and clearable (no criminal background)
Salary & years experience:Wide range, looking to hire 4 or 5 people up to senior level

Brief job description: (what is exciting about this contract and/or position?)
The work is really prototypes and proof of concepts in some advanced topics dealing with HAP administration, Identification and Authentication, Key Management, Provisioning, and Utility Virtual Machines.   The initial work will require 4-5 people and it needs to get started as soon as possible.  Work can be done anywhere.
Education, Certifications:  BS or equivalent degree, preferably in computer related field
Specific skills/ required:   
- Linux application development *
- Linux kernel/driver experience
- C/C++ *
- Software integration experience *
- Familiar with ClearCase and ClearQuest
- Familiar with formal process (SEI) *
- Team oriented, personally driven *
- Individual contributors *
Skills preferred:
- Familiar with Security Enhanced LINUX 


Substitute skill:
(Even if not directly applicable to this project, a skill to help us identify people who might be right for the position.)



Can you hire immediately and have the person start in two weeks?  2 ??? 4 wks
Is there a customer interview? No
Work Hours: Day hrs, not shift

Travel: rare, but Possible
Tom McKenty 
(From Blackberry)

____________________________________________________________
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http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iifR9fp5ygiw0XmuYVXAQMxgN12mgeLxOqnYrAo1KMZ7EGHgI/

From gib at juno.com  Thu Aug  7 14:49:27 2008
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:49:27 GMT
Subject: [mdlug]  Late reminder
Message-ID: <20080807.144927.18895.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>

 
Remind me of the address again.  Are we getting pizza again?

-- Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net> wrote:
DCG meeting at myplace tonight.  7:00

Be there or be ... elsewhere.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org

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Hit it out of the park with a new bat. Click now!
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iigU6JwZISmnWQfCEuZVxHOh9utvtJFyasGdz4nSVd99ykIfS/

From drew4096 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  7 15:51:39 2008
From: drew4096 at gmail.com (Drew)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:51:39 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] OT: free old workstations
In-Reply-To: <956650.5812.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <956650.5812.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20080807154957.02a98750@pop.gmail.com>

What type of memory do the 4GB HPs have? If it's DDR (not DDR2) and 
in 512MB or larger chips, I would like one.

----

- Drew.



From micorral at comcast.net  Thu Aug  7 15:19:26 2008
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:19:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] OT: free old workstations
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20080807154957.02a98750@pop.gmail.com>
References: <956650.5812.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<6.2.3.4.0.20080807154957.02a98750@pop.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808071517030.5464@banana.sluggo.net>

2008-08-07, Monsieur Drew a ecrit:
> What type of memory do the 4GB HPs have? If it's DDR (not DDR2) and
> in 512MB or larger chips, I would like one.

Wrong kind of HP 'workstation'. ;)
These are PA-RISC boxes, not x86. They use SDRAM (EDO, as I recall).

Michael


From micorral at comcast.net  Thu Aug  7 15:24:37 2008
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:24:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] OT: free old workstations
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808071517030.5464@banana.sluggo.net>
References: <956650.5812.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<6.2.3.4.0.20080807154957.02a98750@pop.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0808071517030.5464@banana.sluggo.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808071523410.5601@banana.sluggo.net>

2008-08-07, Monsieur Michael Corral a ecrit:
> 2008-08-07, Monsieur Drew a ecrit:
>> What type of memory do the 4GB HPs have? If it's DDR (not DDR2) and
>> in 512MB or larger chips, I would like one.
>
> Wrong kind of HP 'workstation'. ;)
> These are PA-RISC boxes, not x86. They use SDRAM (EDO, as I recall).
                                              ^^^^^
That should be "SDRAM DIMM".

Michael


From tesral at comcast.net  Thu Aug  7 15:42:32 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:42:32 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Late reminder
In-Reply-To: <20080807.144927.18895.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20080807.144927.18895.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <489B5028.2000005@comcast.net>

gib at juno.com wrote:
>  
> Remind me of the address again.  Are we getting pizza again?
>   

6940 Mead.  Pizza could well happen.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From rrclark at rrclark.net  Thu Aug  7 16:20:37 2008
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (Rich Clark)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:20:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] OT: free old workstations
In-Reply-To: <956650.5812.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <956650.5812.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <39466.24.192.174.7.1218140437.squirrel@www.rrclark.net>

Will you be around on Friday after 4 pm? I think I remember that you live
out near Campbell/Hilton & I75. If you won't be at work, mind if I pick
one up if you wouldn't mind bringing it home?

R

On Thu, August 7, 2008 9:02 am, Dean Durant wrote:
> Hello all, my company has a bunch of old workstations, HP, IBM, and SGI,
> and some old sun servers.  All free for the asking.  Only requirement is,
> come get one, and don't throw it away.
> Some of the HPs have up to 4 GB ram.  C3000s, c3600s, and some C3750s.
> And some scsi disks for the HPs.
>
> Location is Auburn Hills.  Squirrel and Auburn.  Part way to Opdyke
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>




From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Fri Aug  8 15:36:36 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:36:36 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Ohio LinuxFest 2008 plans
Message-ID: <b02c40e90808081236s70158b97he79d4fcc0eb4b320@mail.gmail.com>

(cross-posting to the big three Detroit-area LUGs and Ubuntu LoCo)

It's being held Oct 10-11 in Columbus:  http://ohiolinux.org

It was good last year but some last-minute speaker cancellations
annoyed one of the guys I was with.  I helped out at the FSF booth and
skipped some presentations I would have seen otherwise.

There are three admission levels - free, $65 supporting, and $350
professional.  The first two are both for Saturday while the
professional includes the Friday LOPSA sys admin training classes.

Since it's about 200-250 miles from the Detroit area it's reasonable
to car pool and drive there, splitting gas and hotel costs.

I'm not interested in the admin classes on Friday.  I would prefer to
stay overnight Friday and Saturday.  I don't want to try getting up at
3am to arrive at the convention center by the 8:30am opening time nor
drive back to Detroit early am Sunday (which I did a couple of years
ago.)  There is usually a reception and some parties Friday night and
of course the big one Saturday night.  TLLTS (http://tllts.org) hosted
another party Friday at Barley's Brewing Co.
(http://www.barleysbrewing.com) across the street from the convention
center last year.

Last year I stayed in the Drury which is attached to the convention
center and convenient but it's also expensive.  The year before I
stayed at a Days Inn Columbus North which was a lot cheaper.  It was a
little run-down but I didn't hear any gun battles:
http://www.daysinncolumbus.com/hotelhome/

I'm willing to share a room but it has to be non-smoking as I have
allergies.  I don't know if I'll be working in Detroit that week or be
driving straight down from the Alpena area but I'll be leaving from
Redford regardless.  I can drive my car which seats 4-5 total but it's
getting old and is not the most comfortable for passengers on long
drives.  If we can get enough people maybe we can fill a van and save
more gas.

There are some restaurants in the convention center and more around
it.  Since it's October the vendors at the show will be handing out a
ridiculous amount of Halloween candy on top of all the other swag.
Google had a room full of free T-shirts.  You also get a LinuxFest
T-shirt with the $65 optional "supporting" admission.


From driveray at ameritech.net  Fri Aug  8 17:29:09 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:29:09 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Meeting tomorrow 8-9
Message-ID: <489CBAA5.1090109@ameritech.net>

MDLUGers:
MDLUG monthly meeting Tomorrow, Saturday August 9, 12:30 PM at the usual 
place: <http://mdlug.org/meetings/meetings.html>. Mary Tomich will be 
giving a presentation on GRUB: the GRand Unified Boot-loader. Time 
permitting Mat Enders will tell us about Billix - "The Sys-Admin's Swiss 
Army Knife" Bootable Thumb Drive.

Please notice that our club calender embedded in the meetings page, set 
up by VP Pat Baker and courtesy of Google. I hope to see you all there.

Raymond McLaughlin
President MDLUG


From mdlug at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug  8 19:02:10 2008
From: mdlug at sbcglobal.net (Dean Durant)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:02:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] OT: free old workstations
In-Reply-To: <39466.24.192.174.7.1218140437.squirrel@www.rrclark.net>
Message-ID: <191990.22145.qm@web81802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey Rich, I just got this.  Yes, you got where I live.   I didn't bring any home.   But you can for sure have 1st pick.  There's going to be a Saturday when I am there.  If I remember, I can grab something for you.   What do you want?

Rich Clark <rrclark at rrclark.net> wrote: Will you be around on Friday after 4 pm? I think I remember that you live
out near Campbell/Hilton & I75. If you won't be at work, mind if I pick
one up if you wouldn't mind bringing it home?

R

On Thu, August 7, 2008 9:02 am, Dean Durant wrote:
> Hello all, my company has a bunch of old workstations, HP, IBM, and SGI,
> and some old sun servers.  All free for the asking.  Only requirement is,
> come get one, and don't throw it away.
> Some of the HPs have up to 4 GB ram.  C3000s, c3600s, and some C3750s.
> And some scsi disks for the HPs.
>
> Location is Auburn Hills.  Squirrel and Auburn.  Part way to Opdyke
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>


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From tesral at comcast.net  Sat Aug  9 13:22:40 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (tesral at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:22:40 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] distros
Message-ID: <080920081722.27105.489DD260000C414F000069E12206824693040E9D9C0A9B@comcast.net>

The Club Distro burner is tested and I need DISTROS!!!

So far I have in 32 and 64 bit versions

openSUSE 11. 
Unbuntu Hardy Heron
Debian Stable

Other suggestion and URLs welcome


From rkannan at peoplepc.com  Sat Aug  9 14:27:55 2008
From: rkannan at peoplepc.com (R. Kannan)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 14:27:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Myth TV losing channels/ tuning to the wrong channel.
Message-ID: <4027563.1218306476200.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hello,

I have an annoying problem with MythTV. Once a week or so, it loses some of the channels and when I try tuning to some channels, it tunes to adjacent ATSC channel (say, 7-1 instead of 4-1). The only fix I have is to abort the the mythbackend, fire up mythtv-setup, delete all the channels and rescan for channels again. BTW, the hardware I am using is Hd-Homerun network tuner. Does anyone experienced anything like this?

Thanks for any pointers,

Raj K.

________________________________________
PeoplePC Online
A better way to Internet
http://www.peoplepc.com


From rrclark at rrclark.net  Sat Aug  9 14:40:28 2008
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (Rich Clark)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 14:40:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] OT: free old workstations
In-Reply-To: <191990.22145.qm@web81802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <191990.22145.qm@web81802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <35273.24.192.174.7.1218307228.squirrel@www.rrclark.net>

Can I get one of the HP servers with a couple matched SCSI disks to go
with him? Would make a nice little mail/web server, I'm certain.

Thanks Dean! Oh, might be best to give me a call when you bring it home, I
can come by in the evening and snag it from you.

586 524 3019

R

On Fri, August 8, 2008 7:02 pm, Dean Durant wrote:
> Hey Rich, I just got this.  Yes, you got where I live.   I didn't bring
> any home.   But you can for sure have 1st pick.  There's going to be a
> Saturday when I am there.  If I remember, I can grab something for you.
> What do you want?
>
> Rich Clark <rrclark at rrclark.net> wrote: Will you be around on Friday after
> 4 pm? I think I remember that you live
> out near Campbell/Hilton & I75. If you won't be at work, mind if I pick
> one up if you wouldn't mind bringing it home?
>
> R
>
> On Thu, August 7, 2008 9:02 am, Dean Durant wrote:
>> Hello all, my company has a bunch of old workstations, HP, IBM, and SGI,
>> and some old sun servers.  All free for the asking.  Only requirement
>> is,
>> come get one, and don't throw it away.
>> Some of the HPs have up to 4 GB ram.  C3000s, c3600s, and some C3750s.
>> And some scsi disks for the HPs.
>>
>> Location is Auburn Hills.  Squirrel and Auburn.  Part way to Opdyke
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
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From carl at carltm.com  Sat Aug  9 16:03:55 2008
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 16:03:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] distros
In-Reply-To: <080920081722.27105.489DD260000C414F000069E12206824693040E9D9C0A9B@com
	cast.net>
References: <080920081722.27105.489DD260000C414F000069E12206824693040E9D9C0A9B@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <32823.216.144.203.250.1218312235.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

tesral at comcast.net wrote:
> The Club Distro burner is tested and I need DISTROS!!!

May I suggest CentOS, the CentOS live cd and Knoppix?

c




From carl at carltm.com  Sat Aug  9 16:05:54 2008
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 16:05:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Meeting tomorrow 8-9
In-Reply-To: <489CBAA5.1090109@ameritech.net>
References: <489CBAA5.1090109@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <32827.216.144.203.250.1218312354.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Raymond McLaughlin wrote:
> MDLUG monthly meeting Tomorrow, Saturday August 9, 12:30 PM at the usual
> place: <http://mdlug.org/meetings/meetings.html>. Mary Tomich will be
> giving a presentation on GRUB: the GRand Unified Boot-loader. Time
> permitting Mat Enders will tell us about Billix - "The Sys-Admin's Swiss
> Army Knife" Bootable Thumb Drive.

How was the meeting?  I had planned to be there but
wasn't able to at the last minute.

c




From micorral at comcast.net  Sat Aug  9 17:39:11 2008
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 17:39:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] distros
In-Reply-To: <080920081722.27105.489DD260000C414F000069E12206824693040E9D9C0A9B@comcast.net>
References: <080920081722.27105.489DD260000C414F000069E12206824693040E9D9C0A9B@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808091735320.2184@banana.sluggo.net>

2008-08-09, Monsieur tesral at comcast.net a ecrit:
> The Club Distro burner is tested and I need DISTROS!!!
>
> So far I have in 32 and 64 bit versions
>
> openSUSE 11.
> Unbuntu Hardy Heron
> Debian Stable
>
> Other suggestion and URLs welcome

Fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora

Slackware: http://slackware.com/getslack/list.php?country=USA

Slamd64: http://www.slamd64.com/index.php?page=getslamd64

Michael
http://home.comcast.net/~micorral/


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Sat Aug  9 19:48:41 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 19:48:41 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] distros
In-Reply-To: <080920081722.27105.489DD260000C414F000069E12206824693040E9D9C0A9B@comcast.net>
References: <080920081722.27105.489DD260000C414F000069E12206824693040E9D9C0A9B@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90808091648l4c0eba75q8f1314ad8c83648e@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 1:22 PM,  <tesral at comcast.net> wrote:
> The Club Distro burner is tested and I need DISTROS!!!
>
> So far I have in 32 and 64 bit versions
>
> openSUSE 11.
> Unbuntu Hardy Heron
> Debian Stable
>
> Other suggestion and URLs welcome

ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/puppylinux/puppy-4.00-k2.6.21.7-seamonkey.iso

ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/dsl-4.4.3.iso
ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/dsl-4.4.3.iso.md5.txt

http://www.delilinux.org/wiki/doku.php?id=download

http://mandriva.com/en/download/free

http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/


From tesral at comcast.net  Sat Aug  9 22:33:46 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:33:46 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] distros
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e90808091648l4c0eba75q8f1314ad8c83648e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <080920081722.27105.489DD260000C414F000069E12206824693040E9D9C0A9B@comcast.net>
	<b02c40e90808091648l4c0eba75q8f1314ad8c83648e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <489E538A.3050000@comcast.net>

Those selections will keep my cat5 hot for a while.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From driveray at ameritech.net  Sun Aug 10 12:04:32 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:04:32 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Ohio LinuxFest 2008 Call for Presentations
Message-ID: <489F1190.7060606@ameritech.net>

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 00:26:48 -0400
> From: Scott Merrill <skippy at skippy.net>
> To: jjn at nuge.com
> Subject: Ohio LinuxFest 2008 Call for Presentations
> 
> Aloha, Linux User Group!
> 
> The 2008 Ohio LinuxFest, a free, grassroots conference for the Linux
> and Free Software community, is just around the corner!  Ohio
> LinuxFest 2008 will take place October 10 and 11 in downtown Columbus,
> Ohio.  We are seeking presenters to share their expertise with an
> estimated 1,000 members of the Linux and Free Software community.  The
> Call For Presentations closes August 15!
> 
> Prior presentations have covered basic and advanced systems
> administration, security, community and adovcacy, business management,
> and more.  The Ohio LinuxFest is by users, for users, and would-be
> presenters are encouraged to submit talks focusing on the things about
> which they are passionate.
> 
> As always, the Ohio LinuxFest is completely free for attendees signing
> up for the "Ensthusiast Package".  Those interested in supporting the
> conference may register for the $65 "Supporter Package", which
> provides an Ohio LinuxFest tee shirt, lunch the day of the conference,
> and free drink tickets at Pre- and Post-conference party.  The $350
> "Professional Package" provides access to OLFU, a professional
> training program that takes place the day before the Ohio LinuxFest
> conference.
> 
> For more information, please visit the Ohio LinuxFest website at
> http://www.ohiolinux.org/
> --
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> to unsubscribe: `echo "unsubscribe" | mail linux-users-request at lugwash.org`


From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 12 15:20:20 2008
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:20:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] (OT) Home web site and ATT ???
Message-ID: <169575.3139.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm running SUSE on a computer that is defined as the DMZ on an ATT router.? The raw ip address worked but as soon as I linked my .com on register.com to the IP address nothing works.

Does any body have any clue?

David 





      

From tesral at comcast.net  Tue Aug 12 15:49:54 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:49:54 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] (OT) Home web site and ATT ???
In-Reply-To: <169575.3139.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <169575.3139.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48A1E962.6040800@comcast.net>

David Lane wrote:
> I'm running SUSE on a computer that is defined as the DMZ on an ATT router.  The raw ip address worked but as soon as I linked my .com on register.com to the IP address nothing works.
>
> Does any body have any clue?
>   

Utterly without.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From muteid10t at gmail.com  Tue Aug 12 16:10:05 2008
From: muteid10t at gmail.com (Ron Blanchett)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:10:05 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] (OT) Home web site and ATT ???
In-Reply-To: <169575.3139.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <169575.3139.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <52995d720808121310r447a1ac2s5dee8e68a0bb499c@mail.gmail.com>

does it not work from behind the router?

have you tried connecting from outside the router?

could be that the router doesn't support NAT Reflection.

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 3:20 PM, David Lane <dcl400m at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm running SUSE on a computer that is defined as the DMZ on an ATT router.  The raw ip address worked but as soon as I linked my .com on register.com to the IP address nothing works.
>
> Does any body have any clue?
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>



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barn and do nothing."


From rrclark at rrclark.net  Tue Aug 12 16:01:36 2008
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (Rich Clark)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:01:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] (OT) Home web site and ATT ???
In-Reply-To: <169575.3139.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <169575.3139.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <35446.24.192.174.7.1218571296.squirrel@www.rrclark.net>

On Tue, August 12, 2008 3:20 pm, David Lane wrote:
> I'm running SUSE on a computer that is defined as the DMZ on an ATT
> router.? The raw ip address worked but as soon as I linked my .com on
> register.com to the IP address nothing works.
>
> Does any body have any clue?

More data would be helpful, like what domain, a listing of your dns config
files, things that might make detecting a simple problem easy.



From danno at umich.edu  Tue Aug 12 17:42:21 2008
From: danno at umich.edu (Dan Pritts)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:42:21 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [mdlug-admin] IEEE 1394a
In-Reply-To: <b67fb0380807162327g2cba6fa9u224dd4bedc669108@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4877F420.8090000@ameritech.net> <487E29F3.9050806@comcast.net>
	<5797.216.144.203.250.1216245807.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<13963.216.144.203.250.1216250090.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<b67fb0380807162327g2cba6fa9u224dd4bedc669108@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080812214221.GB59382@maniac.deathstar.org>

a bit of a late reply here...

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 02:27:55AM -0400, Michael Rudas wrote:
> Actually IEEE-1394*a* is nominally SLOWER than USB 2.0 -- 400 Mbps max
> vs. 480Mbps -- but IEEE-1394*b* has nominally 2x the throughput of the
> "a" version at 800 Mbps.  Real-world results peg 1394a and USB 2.0 as
> about equal; I have not played with the "b" version.

in my experience, 400Mbps firewire is generally faster and definitely
uses less host CPU than USB2, at least under MacOS.   

The reason it never really took off is that apple charged a $1 royalty
on the IP required to make a host adapter or device.   Faced with
USB for free or firewire for a buck, system mfrs. used USB unless
there was a real useful reason for firewire.

the reason it's good for video is because firewire has an "isochronous"
mode, which guarantees a slice of bus bandwidth to a device.  

danno
--
dan pritts
danno at umich.edu
734-929-9770


From micorral at comcast.net  Tue Aug 12 18:47:00 2008
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:47:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] [mdlug-admin] IEEE 1394a
In-Reply-To: <20080812214221.GB59382@maniac.deathstar.org>
References: <4877F420.8090000@ameritech.net> <487E29F3.9050806@comcast.net>
	<5797.216.144.203.250.1216245807.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<13963.216.144.203.250.1216250090.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<b67fb0380807162327g2cba6fa9u224dd4bedc669108@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080812214221.GB59382@maniac.deathstar.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808121836100.2255@banana.sluggo.net>

2008-08-12, Monsieur Dan Pritts a ecrit:
> in my experience, 400Mbps firewire is generally faster and definitely
> uses less host CPU than USB2, at least under MacOS.

I've noticed the same under Linux.

For the last couple years I've been using a Firewire external disk
for my backup. But recently I needed to free up a PCI slot on my
mobo (don't ask:) and I made the tough decision to eliminate the
Firewire card. I figured that since I already have built-in USB2
ports I may as well use them. So now my external disk is in a USB2
case. From the backups I've done since then, USB2 is noticeably
slower than Firewire. I'll go back to Firewire if I get the chance.

Michael


From tesral at comcast.net  Tue Aug 12 19:13:56 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:13:56 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] slightly in not great shape printer.
Message-ID: <48A21934.4000208@comcast.net>

Who wants a HP Color LaserJet 5M?  Free to anyone that picks it up.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From muteid10t at gmail.com  Tue Aug 12 19:36:40 2008
From: muteid10t at gmail.com (Ron Blanchett)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:36:40 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] slightly in not great shape printer.
In-Reply-To: <48A21934.4000208@comcast.net>
References: <48A21934.4000208@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <52995d720808121636k4b059d3sa1a4c54a77092555@mail.gmail.com>

Gary,

how would you feal about giving it to Penguicon??
We need a good printer for ops and this would be perfect.

-Ron
Penguicon Webmaster

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net> wrote:
> Who wants a HP Color LaserJet 5M?  Free to anyone that picks it up.
>
> --
> Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.
>
> Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
> Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
> The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
> Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>


From drew4096 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 12 20:47:58 2008
From: drew4096 at gmail.com (Drew)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:47:58 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] slightly in not great shape printer.
In-Reply-To: <52995d720808121636k4b059d3sa1a4c54a77092555@mail.gmail.com
 >
References: <48A21934.4000208@comcast.net>
	<52995d720808121636k4b059d3sa1a4c54a77092555@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20080812204620.02ab2910@pop.gmail.com>

At 07:36 PM 8/12/08, Ron Blanchett wrote:
>Gary,
>
>how would you feal about giving it to Penguicon??
>We need a good printer for ops and this would be perfect.
>
>-Ron
>Penguicon Webmaster
>
>On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net> wrote:
> > Who wants a HP Color LaserJet 5M?  Free to anyone that picks it up.

If for some reason Penguicon decides not to take it, I would like a 
crack at it.

----

- Drew.





From tesral at comcast.net  Tue Aug 12 23:15:54 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:15:54 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] slightly in not great shape printer.
In-Reply-To: <52995d720808121636k4b059d3sa1a4c54a77092555@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48A21934.4000208@comcast.net>
	<52995d720808121636k4b059d3sa1a4c54a77092555@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48A251EA.5000408@comcast.net>

Ron Blanchett wrote:
> Gary,
>
> how would you feal about giving it to Penguicon??
> We need a good printer for ops and this would be perfect.
>   
I'm good with that.  Understand that I am giving it away because it has 
issues.  It's NOT a "great printer" it's a good printer that needs 
tender loving care I no longer feel like giving it.  I'm being honest 
here.  If it worked without issues I would not be getting rid of it.

You also get manuals and what toner I have for it.

It's a beast, it weights a ton (two man job), when can you pick it up?


-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From tesral at comcast.net  Tue Aug 12 23:16:49 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:16:49 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] slightly in not great shape printer.
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20080812204620.02ab2910@pop.gmail.com>
References: <48A21934.4000208@comcast.net>	<52995d720808121636k4b059d3sa1a4c54a77092555@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.2.3.4.0.20080812204620.02ab2910@pop.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48A25221.7030004@comcast.net>

Drew wrote:
> If for some reason Penguicon decides not to take it, I would like a 
> crack at it.
>   

Read above post, it they don't take it it is yours for the getting. 

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Wed Aug 13 13:23:41 2008
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:23:41 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] OT: Home Network Wiring ?
Message-ID: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB1D@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>

I figured that there is more than enough brain power in this list to
help me out with this networking set up.  I have one of the Leviton
central home data/comm wiring setups.  In each room, I have a dual RJ-45
jack.  The orange and blue pair are tied to the top jack, and the brown
and green are tied to the bottom.  In the garage is a punch down block
with 9 slots on it, labeled 0 - 8.  Looking at the board itself, it
looks like the paths simply tie each wire together, ie there is a trace
running from wire 1 from slot 0 all the way down to slot 8.  How can I
wire my cable modem into this to get phone and teh internets in each
room?  Is that even possible from what I've described?

My original thought was that I could run a piece of cat5 from the cable
modem to block 0 on the board, which I presume to be an input and punch
in the orange and blue pair.  Since our phone is tied through the cable
modem as well, I was going to then punch in a phone cable from the phone
jack on the cable modem into the remaining slots.

Anyone have any ideas on this?  I can clarify on any points that are
unclear.

Thanks!

Greg


From muteid10t at gmail.com  Wed Aug 13 13:39:34 2008
From: muteid10t at gmail.com (Ron Blanchett)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:39:34 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] OT: Home Network Wiring ?
In-Reply-To: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB1D@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
References: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB1D@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
Message-ID: <52995d720808131039u25259ec4r9acce7cfffc8c941@mail.gmail.com>

Greg,

I have that same box in my house and the punch board in your box is
for phone only.
Leviton does make an Ethernet Punch board ($25.00).
I would suggest going to your local Home Depot and looking for one.
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100062860&N=10000003+90072

Then rewire the bottom jacks in all your rooms to the ethernet board
with at least cat5e cable.
I am getting ready to do this in my home sometime in the next 6 months
(winter project list).

-Ron


On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Wojtak, Greg
<GregWojtak at quickenloans.com> wrote:
> I figured that there is more than enough brain power in this list to
> help me out with this networking set up.  I have one of the Leviton
> central home data/comm wiring setups.  In each room, I have a dual RJ-45
> jack.  The orange and blue pair are tied to the top jack, and the brown
> and green are tied to the bottom.  In the garage is a punch down block
> with 9 slots on it, labeled 0 - 8.  Looking at the board itself, it
> looks like the paths simply tie each wire together, ie there is a trace
> running from wire 1 from slot 0 all the way down to slot 8.  How can I
> wire my cable modem into this to get phone and teh internets in each
> room?  Is that even possible from what I've described?
>
> My original thought was that I could run a piece of cat5 from the cable
> modem to block 0 on the board, which I presume to be an input and punch
> in the orange and blue pair.  Since our phone is tied through the cable
> modem as well, I was going to then punch in a phone cable from the phone
> jack on the cable modem into the remaining slots.
>
> Anyone have any ideas on this?  I can clarify on any points that are
> unclear.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Greg
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>



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slowly, and lie about your age."


From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Wed Aug 13 14:08:56 2008
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:08:56 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] OT: Home Network Wiring ?
In-Reply-To: <52995d720808131039u25259ec4r9acce7cfffc8c941@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB1D@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
	<52995d720808131039u25259ec4r9acce7cfffc8c941@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB2E@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>

So the way it sounds now is that this is for phone only?  Not sure how
to run the cable now - I'm on a slab, otherwise I would just sloppily
duct tape it to the rafters in the basement.  :D  Any suggestions how to
run the cable in such a scenario?

-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf
Of Ron Blanchett
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:40 PM
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: Re: [mdlug] OT: Home Network Wiring ?

Greg,

I have that same box in my house and the punch board in your box is
for phone only.
Leviton does make an Ethernet Punch board ($25.00).
I would suggest going to your local Home Depot and looking for one.
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeI
d=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100062860&N=10000003+90072

Then rewire the bottom jacks in all your rooms to the ethernet board
with at least cat5e cable.
I am getting ready to do this in my home sometime in the next 6 months
(winter project list).

-Ron


On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Wojtak, Greg
<GregWojtak at quickenloans.com> wrote:
> I figured that there is more than enough brain power in this list to
> help me out with this networking set up.  I have one of the Leviton
> central home data/comm wiring setups.  In each room, I have a dual
RJ-45
> jack.  The orange and blue pair are tied to the top jack, and the
brown
> and green are tied to the bottom.  In the garage is a punch down block
> with 9 slots on it, labeled 0 - 8.  Looking at the board itself, it
> looks like the paths simply tie each wire together, ie there is a
trace
> running from wire 1 from slot 0 all the way down to slot 8.  How can I
> wire my cable modem into this to get phone and teh internets in each
> room?  Is that even possible from what I've described?
>
> My original thought was that I could run a piece of cat5 from the
cable
> modem to block 0 on the board, which I presume to be an input and
punch
> in the orange and blue pair.  Since our phone is tied through the
cable
> modem as well, I was going to then punch in a phone cable from the
phone
> jack on the cable modem into the remaining slots.
>
> Anyone have any ideas on this?  I can clarify on any points that are
> unclear.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Greg
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>



-- 

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slowly, and lie about your age."
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From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Wed Aug 13 14:26:55 2008
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:26:55 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] OT: Home Network Wiring ?
In-Reply-To: <52995d720808131039u25259ec4r9acce7cfffc8c941@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB1D@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
	<52995d720808131039u25259ec4r9acce7cfffc8c941@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB3B@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>

Hmmm, that link doesn't work for me, either.  Doing a search on
'leviton' at Home Depot's site doesn't offer anything useful either...

-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf
Of Ron Blanchett
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:40 PM
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: Re: [mdlug] OT: Home Network Wiring ?

Greg,

I have that same box in my house and the punch board in your box is
for phone only.
Leviton does make an Ethernet Punch board ($25.00).
I would suggest going to your local Home Depot and looking for one.
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeI
d=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100062860&N=10000003+90072

Then rewire the bottom jacks in all your rooms to the ethernet board
with at least cat5e cable.
I am getting ready to do this in my home sometime in the next 6 months
(winter project list).

-Ron


On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Wojtak, Greg
<GregWojtak at quickenloans.com> wrote:
> I figured that there is more than enough brain power in this list to
> help me out with this networking set up.  I have one of the Leviton
> central home data/comm wiring setups.  In each room, I have a dual
RJ-45
> jack.  The orange and blue pair are tied to the top jack, and the
brown
> and green are tied to the bottom.  In the garage is a punch down block
> with 9 slots on it, labeled 0 - 8.  Looking at the board itself, it
> looks like the paths simply tie each wire together, ie there is a
trace
> running from wire 1 from slot 0 all the way down to slot 8.  How can I
> wire my cable modem into this to get phone and teh internets in each
> room?  Is that even possible from what I've described?
>
> My original thought was that I could run a piece of cat5 from the
cable
> modem to block 0 on the board, which I presume to be an input and
punch
> in the orange and blue pair.  Since our phone is tied through the
cable
> modem as well, I was going to then punch in a phone cable from the
phone
> jack on the cable modem into the remaining slots.
>
> Anyone have any ideas on this?  I can clarify on any points that are
> unclear.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Greg
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>



-- 

Lucille Ball  - "The secret of staying young is to live honestly, eat
slowly, and lie about your age."
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From rrclark at rrclark.net  Wed Aug 13 14:32:27 2008
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (Rich Clark)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:32:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] OT: Home Network Wiring ?
In-Reply-To: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB3B@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com
	>
References: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB1D@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
	<52995d720808131039u25259ec4r9acce7cfffc8c941@mail.gmail.com>
	<8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB3B@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
Message-ID: <52112.24.192.174.7.1218652347.squirrel@www.rrclark.net>

The link works fine if you copy/paste it manually to Firefox 3.

I agree, though, that moving to a better board meant to handle CAT5 or
CAT5e would be a better choice than one meant to handle CAT3.

R

On Wed, August 13, 2008 2:26 pm, Wojtak, Greg wrote:
> Hmmm, that link doesn't work for me, either.  Doing a search on
> 'leviton' at Home Depot's site doesn't offer anything useful either...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf
> Of Ron Blanchett
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:40 PM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] OT: Home Network Wiring ?
>
> Greg,
>
> I have that same box in my house and the punch board in your box is
> for phone only.
> Leviton does make an Ethernet Punch board ($25.00).
> I would suggest going to your local Home Depot and looking for one.
> http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeI
> d=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100062860&N=10000003+90072
>
> Then rewire the bottom jacks in all your rooms to the ethernet board
> with at least cat5e cable.
> I am getting ready to do this in my home sometime in the next 6 months
> (winter project list).
>
> -Ron
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Wojtak, Greg
> <GregWojtak at quickenloans.com> wrote:
>> I figured that there is more than enough brain power in this list to
>> help me out with this networking set up.  I have one of the Leviton
>> central home data/comm wiring setups.  In each room, I have a dual
> RJ-45
>> jack.  The orange and blue pair are tied to the top jack, and the
> brown
>> and green are tied to the bottom.  In the garage is a punch down block
>> with 9 slots on it, labeled 0 - 8.  Looking at the board itself, it
>> looks like the paths simply tie each wire together, ie there is a
> trace
>> running from wire 1 from slot 0 all the way down to slot 8.  How can I
>> wire my cable modem into this to get phone and teh internets in each
>> room?  Is that even possible from what I've described?
>>
>> My original thought was that I could run a piece of cat5 from the
> cable
>> modem to block 0 on the board, which I presume to be an input and
> punch
>> in the orange and blue pair.  Since our phone is tied through the
> cable
>> modem as well, I was going to then punch in a phone cable from the
> phone
>> jack on the cable modem into the remaining slots.
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas on this?  I can clarify on any points that are
>> unclear.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Greg
>> _______________________________________________
>> mdlug mailing list
>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Lucille Ball  - "The secret of staying young is to live honestly, eat
> slowly, and lie about your age."
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>




From muteid10t at gmail.com  Wed Aug 13 14:51:52 2008
From: muteid10t at gmail.com (Ron Blanchett)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:51:52 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] OT: Home Network Wiring ?
In-Reply-To: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB2E@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
References: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB1D@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
	<52995d720808131039u25259ec4r9acce7cfffc8c941@mail.gmail.com>
	<8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB2E@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
Message-ID: <52995d720808131151p1aa13adcma1e37acbca9fd3bb@mail.gmail.com>

through the attic!!

On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Wojtak, Greg
<GregWojtak at quickenloans.com> wrote:
> So the way it sounds now is that this is for phone only?  Not sure how
> to run the cable now - I'm on a slab, otherwise I would just sloppily
> duct tape it to the rafters in the basement.  :D  Any suggestions how to
> run the cable in such a scenario?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf
> Of Ron Blanchett
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:40 PM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] OT: Home Network Wiring ?
>
> Greg,
>
> I have that same box in my house and the punch board in your box is
> for phone only.
> Leviton does make an Ethernet Punch board ($25.00).
> I would suggest going to your local Home Depot and looking for one.
> http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeI
> d=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100062860&N=10000003+90072
>
> Then rewire the bottom jacks in all your rooms to the ethernet board
> with at least cat5e cable.
> I am getting ready to do this in my home sometime in the next 6 months
> (winter project list).
>
> -Ron
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Wojtak, Greg
> <GregWojtak at quickenloans.com> wrote:
>> I figured that there is more than enough brain power in this list to
>> help me out with this networking set up.  I have one of the Leviton
>> central home data/comm wiring setups.  In each room, I have a dual
> RJ-45
>> jack.  The orange and blue pair are tied to the top jack, and the
> brown
>> and green are tied to the bottom.  In the garage is a punch down block
>> with 9 slots on it, labeled 0 - 8.  Looking at the board itself, it
>> looks like the paths simply tie each wire together, ie there is a
> trace
>> running from wire 1 from slot 0 all the way down to slot 8.  How can I
>> wire my cable modem into this to get phone and teh internets in each
>> room?  Is that even possible from what I've described?
>>
>> My original thought was that I could run a piece of cat5 from the
> cable
>> modem to block 0 on the board, which I presume to be an input and
> punch
>> in the orange and blue pair.  Since our phone is tied through the
> cable
>> modem as well, I was going to then punch in a phone cable from the
> phone
>> jack on the cable modem into the remaining slots.
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas on this?  I can clarify on any points that are
>> unclear.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Greg
>> _______________________________________________
>> mdlug mailing list
>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Lucille Ball  - "The secret of staying young is to live honestly, eat
> slowly, and lie about your age."
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>



-- 

Johnny Carson  - "I was so naive as a kid I used to sneak behind the
barn and do nothing."


From gib at juno.com  Wed Aug 13 15:55:52 2008
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:55:52 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Name Tags for Meeting
Message-ID: <20080813.155552.8454.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>

 
Ray suggested that we should have name tags for the meeting.  He asked me to go out and buy some.  I was just wondering if anyone felt creative and wanted to try making some.  
Perhaps we could make custom ones with pictures or slogans that reflect our interests.  I could have one with my 1966 Mustang on it.  Does anyone want to try to create his own?
 
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From tesral at comcast.net  Wed Aug 13 16:38:14 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:38:14 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Name Tags for Meeting
In-Reply-To: <20080813.155552.8454.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20080813.155552.8454.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <48A34636.3040000@comcast.net>

gib at juno.com wrote:
>  
> Ray suggested that we should have name tags for the meeting.  He asked me to go out and buy some.  I was just wondering if anyone felt creative and wanted to try making some.  
> Perhaps we could make custom ones with pictures or slogans that reflect our interests.  I could have one with my 1966 Mustang on it.  Does anyone want to try to create his own?


I have a button maker for 2 inch round buttons.  Physically making the 
name tags or buttons is not difficult.

Buttons are durable.  The square badges give you more real estate for 
expression.  If we can find some neat badge holders I, even with the 
button maker) like the badges.

Oh yea, I think badges are a great idea.  I have a Hell of a time 
remembering names.  We can keep a supply of "Hello" badges for visitors 
and lame asses that forget theirs.  :)

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Wed Aug 13 17:39:58 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:39:58 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Name Tags for Meeting
In-Reply-To: <48A34636.3040000@comcast.net>
References: <20080813.155552.8454.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
	<48A34636.3040000@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90808131439o19a1e923u999594627d9dd99b@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net> wrote:
> Buttons are durable.  The square badges give you more real estate for
> expression.  If we can find some neat badge holders I, even with the
> button maker) like the badges.

Just use glabel or OOo to make some generic ones and print them out on
label templates.  There are some OOo templates here:
http://www.worldlabel.com/Pages/openoffice-template.htm

Avery #74552 might work depending on the holders.


From tesral at comcast.net  Wed Aug 13 18:25:42 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:25:42 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Name Tags for Meeting
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e90808131439o19a1e923u999594627d9dd99b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080813.155552.8454.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>	<48A34636.3040000@comcast.net>
	<b02c40e90808131439o19a1e923u999594627d9dd99b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48A35F66.5020700@comcast.net>

Jeff Hanson wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net> wrote:
>   
>> Buttons are durable.  The square badges give you more real estate for
>> expression.  If we can find some neat badge holders I, even with the
>> button maker) like the badges.
>>     
>
> Just use glabel or OOo to make some generic ones and print them out on
> label templates.  There are some OOo templates here:
> http://www.worldlabel.com/Pages/openoffice-template.htm
>
> Avery #74552 might work depending on the holders.
>   
Generic is no fun.  If we are going to do it lets have fun with it.


-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From tesral at comcast.net  Wed Aug 13 18:28:36 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:28:36 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Name Tags for Meeting
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e90808131439o19a1e923u999594627d9dd99b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080813.155552.8454.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>	<48A34636.3040000@comcast.net>
	<b02c40e90808131439o19a1e923u999594627d9dd99b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48A36014.2010600@comcast.net>

Jeff Hanson wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net> wrote:
>   
>> Buttons are durable.  The square badges give you more real estate for
>> expression.  If we can find some neat badge holders I, even with the
>> button maker) like the badges.
>>     
>
> Just use glabel or OOo to make some generic ones and print them out on
> label templates.  There are some OOo templates here:
> http://www.worldlabel.com/Pages/openoffice-template.htm
>   

Nice templets, but I don't have anything in A4 size.  "Letter" every 
label I have seen.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From micorral at comcast.net  Wed Aug 13 21:15:17 2008
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:15:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Name Tags for Meeting
In-Reply-To: <48A35F66.5020700@comcast.net>
References: <20080813.155552.8454.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
	<48A34636.3040000@comcast.net>
	<b02c40e90808131439o19a1e923u999594627d9dd99b@mail.gmail.com>
	<48A35F66.5020700@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.99.0808132114070.2210@banana.sluggo.net>

2008-08-13, Monsieur Garry Stahl a ecrit:
> Jeff Hanson wrote:
>> Just use glabel or OOo to make some generic ones and print them out on
>> label templates.  There are some OOo templates here:
>> http://www.worldlabel.com/Pages/openoffice-template.htm
>>
> Generic is no fun.  If we are going to do it lets have fun with it.

Definitely. We need some big, tricked out name tags.

Michael


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Thu Aug 14 01:14:38 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:14:38 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Name Tags for Meeting
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.99.0808132114070.2210@banana.sluggo.net>
References: <20080813.155552.8454.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
	<48A34636.3040000@comcast.net>
	<b02c40e90808131439o19a1e923u999594627d9dd99b@mail.gmail.com>
	<48A35F66.5020700@comcast.net>
	<alpine.LFD.1.99.0808132114070.2210@banana.sluggo.net>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90808132214n4c0fe2d7qe2966e942db30a27@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Michael Corral <micorral at comcast.net> wrote:
> 2008-08-13, Monsieur Garry Stahl a ecrit:
>> Generic is no fun.  If we are going to do it lets have fun with it.
>
> Definitely. We need some big, tricked out name tags.

So it will need a  processor, maybe an ARM, running embedded Linux.
Should have lots of LEDs and Bluetooth.

I can lay out the PCB if someone wants to sketch out a schematic.


From danno at umich.edu  Sat Aug 16 14:51:02 2008
From: danno at umich.edu (Dan Pritts)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:51:02 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] OT: Home Network Wiring ?
In-Reply-To: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB2E@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
References: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB1D@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
	<52995d720808131039u25259ec4r9acce7cfffc8c941@mail.gmail.com>
	<8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB2E@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
Message-ID: <20080816185102.GA33219@maniac.deathstar.org>

It sounds like you have something like this:

http://tinyurl.com/5g4yaz
http://www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/ibeCCtpSctDspRte.jsp?section=11641&minisite=10027&Filter=Y&jfn=ZGD28E3B1FC568B764B6181C9059DFCAB2148141AD308A53F44A829C814CEDA35F6C7051C4D918924631C4648EC6F5F38E80&oas=xzO1BMM40a6wVXtd5dTjmQ..

and what Ron is suggesting is this:

http://tinyurl.com/5agxvo
http://www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/ibeCCtpSctDspRte.jsp?section=10371&minisite=10027&Filter=Y&jfn=ZG4E26A9D4D72018A9E8DE310FCFBD9E23567794257551E5BB746AADC7767C61AB95386DD3FAE348EF2EDA78D7F982F9AA14&oas=ca0u5A0SuMngOXVvz9zV4w..

which looks fine for $25.

You don't actually need to rewire - presuming that the wire is CAT5
or better, you can run 100Mbps ethernet on two of the pair, and
your voice line(s) on the others.  

1GE requires all 4 pair - if it's CAT5E and you're willing to lose
the phone jack you can do that too.

i'll assume you want 100M and the phone.

Your wall jacks are probably fine, but make sure that they are cat5 rated
also.  The data jack may need to be repunched.

let's say the bottom jack will be phone and the top ether.

for twisted pair, an RJ45 jack is wired like this (ORange, Orange/White,
GReen, BLue, BLueWhite, etc):
      ___________
----- |  -----  | -----
OR OW GR BL BW GW BR BW

100M enet uses the orange and green pairs.  

a single phone line will use the blue pair; a dual-line jack will use the green
pair also.

Of course, the colors per se don't matter, they are just a coding
standard for which pair goes to which pins on the RJ45.

See how your existing wall jacks are wired.  If you're lucky, one is wired to
the orange and green pins and the other is wired to the green & blue pins.
i bet they're both on green & blue, so you'll have to repunch one of them to
match.

Leave the other jack alone, and leave the appropriate two pair punched to your 
telephone panel.  

pull the other two pair out of your telephone panel, and as necessary strip away
some insulation to give yourself room to work.

take the other two pair and punch them to the data punch panel, matching the
wire color to the jack color like you did on the jacks.

This article explains the general idea, and has some pics:
http://www.mavromatic.com/archives/000458

For tools, i'd suggest you avoid the expensive punchdown tool at
home depot, and just get something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/DataShark-70034-Non-Impact-Punchdown-Tool/dp/B000KMFDZ0
or even this:
http://www.milestek.com/shop/product.asp?id=40%2040302&cid=&kwd=&l=&p=

Or borrow one.

if you have more questions drop me a line, it's probably better to talk
on the phone.


On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 02:08:56PM -0400, Wojtak, Greg wrote:
> So the way it sounds now is that this is for phone only?  Not sure how
> to run the cable now - I'm on a slab, otherwise I would just sloppily
> duct tape it to the rafters in the basement.  :D  Any suggestions how to
> run the cable in such a scenario?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf
> Of Ron Blanchett
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:40 PM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] OT: Home Network Wiring ?
> 
> Greg,
> 
> I have that same box in my house and the punch board in your box is
> for phone only.
> Leviton does make an Ethernet Punch board ($25.00).
> I would suggest going to your local Home Depot and looking for one.
> http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100062860&N=10000003+90072
> 
> Then rewire the bottom jacks in all your rooms to the ethernet board
> with at least cat5e cable.
> I am getting ready to do this in my home sometime in the next 6 months
> (winter project list).
> 
> -Ron
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Wojtak, Greg
> <GregWojtak at quickenloans.com> wrote:
> > I figured that there is more than enough brain power in this list to
> > help me out with this networking set up.  I have one of the Leviton
> > central home data/comm wiring setups.  In each room, I have a dual
> RJ-45
> > jack.  The orange and blue pair are tied to the top jack, and the
> brown
> > and green are tied to the bottom.  In the garage is a punch down block
> > with 9 slots on it, labeled 0 - 8.  Looking at the board itself, it
> > looks like the paths simply tie each wire together, ie there is a
> trace
> > running from wire 1 from slot 0 all the way down to slot 8.  How can I
> > wire my cable modem into this to get phone and teh internets in each
> > room?  Is that even possible from what I've described?
> >
> > My original thought was that I could run a piece of cat5 from the
> cable
> > modem to block 0 on the board, which I presume to be an input and
> punch
> > in the orange and blue pair.  Since our phone is tied through the
> cable
> > modem as well, I was going to then punch in a phone cable from the
> phone
> > jack on the cable modem into the remaining slots.
> >
> > Anyone have any ideas on this?  I can clarify on any points that are
> > unclear.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Greg
> > _______________________________________________
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> > mdlug at mdlug.org
> > http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Lucille Ball  - "The secret of staying young is to live honestly, eat
> slowly, and lie about your age."
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From driveray at ameritech.net  Thu Aug 21 01:46:46 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 01:46:46 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Test
Message-ID: <48AD0146.5000908@ameritech.net>

Hello?
Is this thing on?


From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Mon Aug 18 12:57:33 2008
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:57:33 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quick Directory Removal?
Message-ID: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BDEC@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>

I?ve got an application that generates on the order of a million files in one directory in one day.  This directory is NFS mounted.  Aside from the poor design of the application treating a directory as a database, I?ve put a script in place on the nfs server to clean it up every night, removing files that are a day old.  This is a GFS filesystem, which isn?t built for speed to begin with, and running find in this directory takes a long time, and so does a rm -rf.  So I started thinking of ways to remove this directory more quickly.

One thing I came up with and wanted to check with other UNIX smarty-pants about was this: suppose the filesystem I am mounting is /export, and the directory I want to remove is /export/appdata.  What I was thinking was to create a null device on /export, then:

# cd /export
# mv appdata null
# mkdir appdata

I haven?t tested this, but I believe this would be very fast for two reasons: I?d be moving the directory to the bit bucket without scanning the files in it, and it would be, as far as the filesystem subsystem is concerned, on the same filsystem, so it wouldn?t have to move any data on the disk.

So I have two questions ? will it be as fast as I think it is?  Is this safe to do?  I?d like to hear opinions on this .  If this can save on time and IO overhead, it would make me very happy.  Of course, I?d still preach to the developers about how badly this is hurting the server. ?

Greg



From mdlug at sbcglobal.net  Wed Aug 20 09:55:23 2008
From: mdlug at sbcglobal.net (Dean Durant)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:55:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] OT: old machines
Message-ID: <303261.89425.qm@web81802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello, I have one person coming today after 5.  I wouldn't want to get a whole flood of  people coming to get machines.   But starting now, generally, after 5:10 or so, most days, if they contact me ahead of time, you can come out and look through what is here and take something.  

I need a cell phone # and / or a good ID of what you'll be driving.   Because the doors here are locked at 5 and the receptionist goes home.  

So please email me directly and let me know if there's a day you'd like to come.   I'd like to give everyone who wants something a chance to take it before I give anything to the guy from quicken loans.  
 

From mdlug at sbcglobal.net  Wed Aug 20 09:59:26 2008
From: mdlug at sbcglobal.net (Dean Durant)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:59:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] fstab: nfs server mounts not mounting
Message-ID: <362103.38172.qm@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello, I have nfs mount points that mount OK if I mount them manually.

I can then copy the corresponding lines from /etc/mtab, or enter them by hand, and the nfs server name shows up in highlighted red, like there's something wrong with it.    The logs show that the system thinks the nfs server is a "special device".   

Even though I can ping it, and the hand mounts work.   

Nothing else in the line is red.   

Can anyone think of anything?         thanks, Dean


From jjn at nuge.com  Thu Aug 21 04:58:59 2008
From: jjn at nuge.com (Jay Nugent)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:58:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] test -- is it back on net?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0808210456270.1069-100000@home.nuge.com>


   Two men walk into a bar....  

      ... awww heck...nevermind... 

   You've probably alreadyt heard it anyway.


      --- Jay




From rrclark at rrclark.net  Thu Aug 21 11:36:18 2008
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (Rich Clark)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:36:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Testing...
Message-ID: <48130.24.192.174.7.1219332978.squirrel@www.rrclark.net>

Is this thing on?  Testing...



From fireblosom at gmail.com  Thu Aug 21 13:42:32 2008
From: fireblosom at gmail.com (Michael Persello)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:42:32 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] distros
In-Reply-To: <489E538A.3050000@comcast.net>
References: <080920081722.27105.489DD260000C414F000069E12206824693040E9D9C0A9B@comcast.net>
	<b02c40e90808091648l4c0eba75q8f1314ad8c83648e@mail.gmail.com>
	<489E538A.3050000@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <cc6463330808211042l69b9a20ax75ac8d7de9dcf34c@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Garry,

Don't forget Kubuntu as well.  I think it's still available in Hardy Heron
with the KDE 3 front end.  I've heard that they also have it with the less
liked KDE 4 front end as well.




Michael H. Persello.


From rrclark at rrclark.net  Thu Aug 21 13:41:26 2008
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (Rich Clark)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:41:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Name Tags for Meeting
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.99.0808132114070.2210@banana.sluggo.net>
References: <20080813.155552.8454.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
	<48A34636.3040000@comcast.net>
	<b02c40e90808131439o19a1e923u999594627d9dd99b@mail.gmail.com>
	<48A35F66.5020700@comcast.net>
	<alpine.LFD.1.99.0808132114070.2210@banana.sluggo.net>
Message-ID: <54923.24.192.174.7.1219340486.squirrel@www.rrclark.net>

Replying to check delivery. This is a test after the server has been down
for a week.

R


On Wed, August 13, 2008 9:15 pm, Michael Corral wrote:
> 2008-08-13, Monsieur Garry Stahl a ecrit:
>> Jeff Hanson wrote:
>>> Just use glabel or OOo to make some generic ones and print them out on
>>> label templates.  There are some OOo templates here:
>>> http://www.worldlabel.com/Pages/openoffice-template.htm
>>>
>> Generic is no fun.  If we are going to do it lets have fun with it.
>
> Definitely. We need some big, tricked out name tags.
>
> Michael
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From otakurider at gmail.com  Tue Aug 19 09:06:18 2008
From: otakurider at gmail.com (-)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:06:18 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Name Tags for Meeting
In-Reply-To: <20080813.155552.8454.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20080813.155552.8454.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <cd5131a50808190606l13ee7d14wa62729b75fafc996@mail.gmail.com>

I will give it a twirl on some ideas

 Pat

On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 3:55 PM, gib at juno.com <gib at juno.com> wrote:

>
> Ray suggested that we should have name tags for the meeting.  He asked me
> to go out and buy some.  I was just wondering if anyone felt creative and
> wanted to try making some.
> Perhaps we could make custom ones with pictures or slogans that reflect our
> interests.  I could have one with my 1966 Mustang on it.  Does anyone want
> to try to create his own?
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> Internet Security Software - Click here.
>
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iied4mrLWOkO0j9NrGnDfOIlgPFSJVdkbY1NwcptCW4g6sSiQ/
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From jjn at nuge.com  Fri Aug 22 03:40:52 2008
From: jjn at nuge.com (Jay Nugent)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 03:40:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Test after power cycle
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0808220337070.1069-100000@home.nuge.com>


   This is a test.
   If this hadn't been a test, I would have called it something else!!

      --- Jay
             
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said:    "Would you like fries with that emergency communication?"
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From john_re at fastmail.us  Fri Aug 22 06:50:38 2008
From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 03:50:38 -0700
Subject: [mdlug] BerkeleyTIPGlobal-USA September 6 Saturday- Stallman
 Torvalds Debconf Akademy...
Message-ID: <1219402238.2292.1269962287@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hello Raymond McL -
Hello MDLUG friends, from Berkeley.  :)

Raymond - Thanks for your tip about InterLUG.  I'll be posting this
there shortly too.  Are MDLUGers interested in joining in?  

PS - Are those slashdotters near you all?  Do they ever go to Detroit
meetings?  Do they have another LUG out their way?


WHO:   YOU, and the GLOBAL GNU(Linux)/BSD FSW COMMUNITY.
WHAT:  The First Global-USA SIMULTANEOUS monthly MEETING of the 
       Berkeley - Talks Installfest Potluck & ProgrammingParty (TIP)
WHEN:  SEPTEMBER 6 SATURDAY 10AM-6PM Pacific Daylight Savings Time
       (Adjust for your local time. Ex: Eastern = Pacific + 3Hrs.)
WHERE: In your local community
WHY:   Learn, Install SW, Communicate with Friends, Produce
HOW:   Bring your laptop & VOIP headset. Download videos before meeting.

Who will be the person to arrange your local simultaneous meeting,
for SEPTEMBER 6, SATURDAY?


=====  ATTENDEE & MEETING - FACTS & BENEFITS  =====
Whatever aspects of GNU(LINUX)/BSD 
freedom software, technology, or culture you are interested in,
on SEPTEMBER 6, SATURDAY, (& the 1st Saturday of every month)
the place YOU WILL WANT TO BE is at a local meeting of:

The historic First, Simultaneous,
Berkeley GNU(Linux)/BSD Freedom SW/Culture
- Talks, Installfest, Potluck & ProgrammingParty (TIP)
Global-USA monthly meeting.
[10AM-6PM Pacific Daylight Savings Time - Adjust for your local time.]

EVERYONE: Join the group & mailing list at:
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

The mailing list is open to, and is for everyone: all attendees at all
the local meetings.

Local meeting organizers are doubly encouraged to join the list.


=====  HOWTO - ARRANGING A LOCAL MEETING  =====
Who will be the person to arrange your local simultaneous meeting,
for SEPTEMBER 6, SATURDAY?

It's really EASY. Just:
1) JOIN the BerkeleyTIP-Global MAILING LIST:
   http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal
   and say "Hi".
2) DECIDE on a LOCATION for the meeting:
     PUBLIC UNIVERSITY/COLLEGE = GREAT.
3) SEND out ANNOUNCEMENTS to email lists.
4) DOWNLOAD the VIDEOS ahead of time.
5) Have the MEETING.  :)

Reply to this email on your mailing list & I'll try to help you out.

Remember, I'm just doing this as a volunteer effort for the community,
so I can only make a little time to help you.  I'll try to help you.  :)
I've included step by step plans here & on the BerkeleyTIP-Global Group
website.  Ask questions to the BerkeleyTIP-Global mailing list, & the
community can help each other out.

Reply to this message on your local list to let me know who will head up
your local meeting effort. Also say "Hi" on the BerkTIPGlobal mailing
list.  :)

Also, if YOU are interested in ATTENDING a local meeting, but aren't up
to being an "organizer" for your local event, please do reply to this
email on your local list, & say you'd be interested in attending, so
potential "organizers" on your list will know people are interested in
attending this event.


=====  MEETING ACTIVITIES  =====
You will have about 20 educational talks to watch
[from the top minds in the GNU(Linux)/BSD Free SW world].
You will be able to:
Learn, Install or Upgrade, Communicate w/ friends, & Create.

We will watch talks, then get together Globally-USA on IRC & VOIP to
discuss anything & everything.


=====  2.5 WEEKS TO ARRANGE LOCAL MEETINGS  =====
With 2.5 weeks to go before the meeting, 
you have ample time to arrange a local meeting place & meeting.

I've created a simple plan/ set of instructions for you 
- all you have to do is follow the steps.

There's already been interest expressed in BatonRouge, Boston, Chicago,
Denver, Detroit, Hawaii, Montana, NorthCarolina, Virginia, Canada &
Columbia.  & Berkeley/SiliconValley.  & from FSF, FreeBSD & Debian
people. (And that's just from my small, part time effort on this.)

Who will be the person(s) to arrange your local meeting details?
Maybe it's you. (& it's straightforward, and easy to do.)


=====  WHO SHOULD ATTEND  =====
Parts of this meeting are relevant for:
Computing & technology professionals, business people, non-profits,
educators, students, scientists, (re)searchers, engineers, artists, &
home & personal computer users.

The meeting is Free, no money $ cost.
- & You might want to make a donation to support its growth/benefits.

I invite you to join our mailing list at
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal


=====  VOLUNTEERING - ME & YOU  =====
Note:  I'm putting this together as my volunteer effort for the
community, in my almost nonexistent "free/spare" time.   I've designed
this as a "self-reliant" event.  I'll certainly try to help everyone
out, but this event doesn't depend on me - if _you_ want a successful
event, it depends on _you_ (collectively).  It's a self reliant event, &
I've worked hard to ensure it is easy for you to succeed in making &
having a successful event/ experience(s).

Forward this announcement wherever you think it will do some good: like,
any list you don't see me posting this to.

I'm sending this to about 15 LUGs around the USA, plus come topic
groups, ex BSD, FSF, GNU, Debian, Gentoo, KDE, GNOME, Python.  Feel free
to send this announcement to any community email list where it could do
some good.

I'm sending this to at least the following USA LUGs:
Boston, NY, WDC, Florida, Chicago, Denver, Atlanta,
BatonRouge, Austin, LA, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii


=======================================================================
=======================================================================
If I had lots of time, I'd complete this section.  But, since I want
this announcement to go out now, I'll leave this merely as complete as
it is.  You can find most of this information on the BerkTIPGlobal group
website.  Ask any questions you have on the group mailing list.


=====  CONTENTS:  =====
0) Global group - mailing list - everyone join
1) Local Meeting Management/Arrangement Plan
2) Attendee Video Downloading Plan - Download before meeting
3) Talks / Topics - Tentative Schedule
4) IRC & VOIP - ProgrammingParty = VOIP this meeting
5) Installfest - HowTo - SelfReliance = bring everything you need
6) Ex of local meeting info: BerkeleyTIP local


=====  0) Global group - mailing list - everyone join  =====
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

There are 4 PARALLEL TRACKS of events:
1) TALKS        Talks by various speakers (stream video globally)
2) INSTALLFEST  Bring your computer & install BSD or GNU/Linux software.
3) POTLUCK      Bring $5 or food to share: eat, chat (optional)
4) PROGRAMMING PARTY     Write SW on your. or a group. project

This next meeting I am stepping this up from a local Berkeley meeting,
toward its goal of being a Global meeting.  For the September 6 meeting
I'm working to get USA locations up & connected.  I call this month's
meeting "Global-USA".  Anyone is welcome to set up a simultaneous
meeting anywhere in the world.  But _my_ efforts this month are
primarily directed to getting USA groups going.  Next month I'll focus
on getting Americas' groups added.


=====  1) Local Meeting Management/Arrangement Plan  =====
For people who want to have  a local meeting,
here is a Plan for you to follow to arrange a meeting:

Here are the major accomplishments to achieve, by time point:
In time before the meeting:

3rd week:  August 17 - 23
1) Discuss meeting online with local group
2) Where to hold local meeting - Discuss

2nd Week:  August 24 - 30
1) Visit possible locations, verify internet connectivity.
2) Discuss merits of various locations.
3) Choose location for meeting.

1st Week:  August 31 - Sept 5
1) Visit location & get on IRC for  a test.
2) Make physical arrangements 
    signs, network hardware (WiFi AP, ethernet switch, ethernet cables,
    power cables)

0 Day:     September 6
Have meeting: Learn, install, eat, talk, create, have fun!  :)

http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal/web/local-meeting-manager-accomplishments

!!! NOTE: Your time zone simultaneous times are a
    DIFFERENT HOUR OF THE DAY than the hours below
    if you aren't in PDST. So ADJUST FOR YOUR TIME ZONE!!!
    EX: EAST COAST USA = PDST + 3 HOURS.
    I.E. 10 AM PDST = 1 PM EDST.  )

September 6 Saturday 10AM-6PM (Pacific Daylight Savings Time).
In your region.


=====  2) Attendee Video Download Before Meeting Plan  =====
All attendees to every meeting should download, before the meeting, the
videos they want to watch to their laptop.  This ensures you are self
sufficient, & aren't depending on someone else to bring the videos you
want to see.

At the appropriate hour, watch the relevant video.  Get on IRC with
others watching the same video & discuss it.

GETTING THE TALKS - You, the person who goes to the event.

In THE WEEK BEFORE THE MEETING, CHECK the BerkTIPGlobal group website
for the latest tentative LIST of talks & schedule, and the video
download links.

1) Determine your TOPIC INTEREST areas.
2) READ BerkTIPGlobal video ANNOUNCEMENTS &
     select URLs for videos you are interested in
3) DOWNLOAD those videos to your laptop in week before event
4) WATCH videos on your laptop at local group on event day.


=====  3) Talks / Topics  =====
NEW THIS MONTH:
Watch the latest talks from Debconf, SciPy & KDE Akademy.
?Maybe even Defcon??


TALKS/VIDEOS/GROUP_MEETINGS AGENDA:

1000A DISTROS - GNU(Linux), BSD, Debian, Gentoo, FreeBSD OpenBSD
      SOCIAL - EFF, FSF
1130A PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES - Python, PERL, CC++, PHP
      DATABASES - MySQL, MSQL, BerkeleyDB
 100P GUI's - GNOME, KDE
      NETWORKING - internet, Apache, web browser, VOIP
 230P BUSINESS - CRM, ERP, spreadsheets
      EDUCATION/ACADEMIC - OLPC, SciPy
 400P HARDWARE - OLPC, phone
      PERSONAL APPLICATIONS - K/Open-Office, audio, video
 530P ART - Creative Commons, music, visual, Wikipedia
      WEB DESIGN


TENTATIVE SCHEDULE - Likely to change - watch group website for updates

1000 AM--------------------------------------------------------------
Network1:  Asterisk VOIP - Sameer Verma
Social:    GNU & Copyright - Richard Stallman
1130 AM--------------------------------------------------------------
Network2:  Debian - Setup A WiFi Repeater
Prog Lang: Painless Python Part 1 - Alex Martelli
Database:  A Googly MySQL Cluster 
100 PM--------------------------------------------------------------
GUIs:      ? - Akademy
Distros:   git - Linus Torvalds
           ? - Debian Debconf
230 PM--------------------------------------------------------------
Business:  Web 2.0 startups - David Weekly
Education: Python on the OLPC XO Laptop
400 PM--------------------------------------------------------------
Hardware:  ? Open Moko?? - can we get someone to give a talk on this???
Pers Apps: ? Games - TeamSpeak - can we get a talk on this???
530 PM--------------------------------------------------------------
Art:       ?
WebDesign: ?


===== 4) IRC & VOIP - ProgrammingParty = VOIP this meeting  =====
If you know WiFi, internet connection sharing, IRC, or VOIP, come & help
out on getting connection sharing going for local meetings, getting IRC
up for all meetings to join, & getting VOIP going.

VOIP = everyone bring a laptop, Audio Headset & microphone, WiFi
capability, & get together with people at all meetings on group VOIP
channels.  Too many details for me to mention more here.


===== 5) Installfest HowTo- SelfReliance= bring everything you need=====
Local installfests - Optional, up to local meeting organizers.  Ask
attendees to be prepared, be self reliant, bring everything they think
they'll need - HW, SW, networking, power cables, monitors, WiFi cards &
AccessPoints, blank CDs, etc.


===== 6) Ex of local meeting info: BerkeleyTIP local  =====
Check out the announcements & links here for suggestions & guidelines:
http://groups.google.com/group/berktip


=======================================================================
=======================================================================
Now: 
JOIN the BerkeleyTIP-Global MAILING LIST:
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

What questions do you have?

Who will be the person to arrange your local simultaneous meeting,
for SEPTEMBER 6, SATURDAY?

Reply to this message on your local list to let me know who will head up
your local meeting effort. Also say "Hi" on the BerkTIPGlobal mailing
list.  :)

EVERYONE: Join the group & mailing list at:
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

The mailing list is open to, and is for everyone: all attendees at all
the local meetings.

Also, if YOU are interested in ATTENDING a local meeting, but aren't up
to being an "organizer" for your local event, please do reply to this
email on your local list, & say you'd be interested in attending, so
potential "organizers" on your list will know people are interested in
attending this event.


From drew4096 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 25 14:52:52 2008
From: drew4096 at gmail.com (Drew)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:52:52 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] forward files
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20080825144438.02aad060@pop.gmail.com>

     I once had a mail handler on grex and m-net that was activated 
by a .forward file, and would like
to set one up again to dump spam. However, when testing it on my own 
system I'm running into a
snag. When I first set it up, mail behaved normally, ie, the .forward 
file was ignored; and with .forward's
execute bits turned on, mail is now just disappearing.

     The .forward file reads as follows:

"|/home/drew/spamtrap"

(I've tried both with and without the quotes.)

     And the script:

#!/bin/bash

LOGFILE='/home/drew/spamlog'
MAIL_DESTINATION='/home/drew/spam'

read -r FIRSTLINE
echo $FIRSTLINE >> $LOGFILE

for ENTRY in `cat /home/drew/.whitelist`
do
     if ( echo $FIRSTLINE | grep -i $ENTRY > /dev/null )
     then
         MAIL_DESTINATION='/var/spool/mail/drew'
         echo Approved for delivery >> $LOGFILE
     fi
done

echo $FIRSTLINE >> $MAIL_DESTINATION

while read -r NEXTLINE
do
     echo $NEXTLINE >> $MAIL_DESTINATION
done


Both files are chmodded 755.
What am I missing?

----

- Drew.



From drew4096 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 25 15:08:19 2008
From: drew4096 at gmail.com (Drew)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:08:19 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Kubuntu
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20080825145609.02ab0620@pop.gmail.com>

     Tried this one out after getting another copy at WashLUG. No 
advances since April; still
version 8.04. My main issues with other distros have been: Display, 
Wireless, Printer, Video
and Sound.

     Display: Resolutions available past 1100 by 960; okay.
     Printer: Samsung 1710 printer found; okay.
     Sound: Working.

     Wireless:
     My acx100 based wireless card seems to work well enough for 
Kubuntu to find the various
wireless access points near me and give me a graphical of all their 
signal strengths. If I click on
any of the open ones, however, it shows an Attempting to Connect, 
progress bar at 28%, for
however long I set the timeout (moved it to about a minute), and 
fails to connect. It could be
that I need better conditions for radio transception; the connection 
is usually difficult to maintain
under Fedora Core 4. But I *am* able to connect with Fedora.

     Video:
     Tried kaffiene with both an .mp4 and a .wmv; files I've had for 
at least a year. Doesn't have the
codecs. Can't they ship this package with the ability to play stuff 
that's been out there a while ON
THE CD so that I don't have to go after more drivers?

----

- Drew.



From rrclark at rrclark.net  Mon Aug 25 22:58:31 2008
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (Rich Clark)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:58:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] testing again
Message-ID: <52777.24.192.174.7.1219719511.squirrel@rrclark.net>

Do he work? Do he not work?

R



From rrclark at rrclark.net  Mon Aug 25 22:56:20 2008
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (Rich Clark)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:56:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] testing, what happens?
Message-ID: <44383.24.192.174.7.1219719380.squirrel@rrclark.net>

I do wonder. is it still broken? am what I'm doing helping anything?

R



From rrclark at rrclark.net  Mon Aug 25 22:59:39 2008
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (Rich Clark)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:59:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] one more time, do he work?
Message-ID: <52780.24.192.174.7.1219719579.squirrel@rrclark.net>

or do he not?

R



From driveray at ameritech.net  Tue Aug 26 12:37:21 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:37:21 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] About The Mailing lists
Message-ID: <48B43141.8030406@ameritech.net>

What about the mailing lists? On August 14 MDLUG temporarily lost 
network connectivity. Since the sever again became available we have 
been unable to get the mailman mailing list program to connect to our 
smtp server. Howerver posts to the mailing lists are being received and 
archived. So members wishing to continue their discussions can post 
their messages like normal, and read them, and any replies, in the
<a href="http://mdlug.org/pipermail/mdlug/">web archive</a>.

Admitedly this arrangement is less than ideal. Your server adminstrators 
are working on this as their available time allows. Hopefully service 
will return to normal soon.

Raymond McLaughlin
Server-Admin MDLUG


From driveray at ameritech.net  Wed Aug 27 05:03:50 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:03:50 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] test
Message-ID: <48B51876.70303@ameritech.net>

test


From john_re at fastmail.us  Fri Aug 29 04:22:24 2008
From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:22:24 -0700
Subject: [mdlug] Meeting Sept6 BerkeleyTIPGlobal-USA - Stallman Torvalds
 Debconf Akademy...
Message-ID: <1219998144.25277.1271128955@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hello Detroitians, from Berkeley.  :)

Anyone interested in attending this meeting there locally?

=====  SUMMARY INTRODUCTION  =====
If you value knowing, using or contributing to free software,
or getting together with members of the community,
you won't want to miss this meeting.

We'll be getting together in 1 week, on Saturday September 6,
for the First monthly meeting 
(in your community, & throughout the USA) joining with the
Berkeley TIP Global-USA meeting.
TIP = Talks, Installfest, Potluck, ProgrammingParty

I invite you to join us.

Sign up for the BerkTIPGlobal mailing list at
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

Someone will need to set up a local meeting in your community-
at a place with internet for IRC.
It's easy - a WiFi cafe, schoolroom, a house or apartment is great.

Scan the rest of this announcement - there's a lot of info there, but
you don't need to read it in detail.

Is anyone there interested in attending this meeting?  
Reply to this message on your local list & see who'd like to come to a
meeting.

Ask any question you like on the Global mailing list too.
What questions do you have?

I hope to hear from you on the mailing list, 
and hope to meet you at the meeting.  :)


===========  SUMMARY DETAILS  =====
WHO:   YOU, and the GLOBAL GNU(Linux)/BSD FSW COMMUNITY.
WHAT:  The First Global-USA SIMULTANEOUS monthly MEETING of the 
       Berkeley - Talks Installfest Potluck & ProgrammingParty (TIP)
WHEN:  SEPTEMBER 6 SATURDAY 10AM-6PM Pacific Daylight Savings Time
       (Adjust for your local time. Ex: Eastern = Pacific + 3Hrs.)
WHERE: In your local community
WHY:   Learn, Install SW, Communicate, Produce
HOW:   Bring your laptop & VOIP headset. Download videos before meeting.


=====  HOWTO - ARRANGING A LOCAL MEETING  =====
Who will be the person to arrange your local simultaneous meeting,
for SEPTEMBER 6, SATURDAY?

It's really EASY. Just:
1) JOIN the BerkeleyTIP-Global MAILING LIST:
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal
2) DECIDE on a LOCATION for the meeting:
     PUBLIC UNIVERSITY/COLLEGE = GREAT.
3) SEND out ANNOUNCEMENTS to email lists.
4) DOWNLOAD the VIDEOS ahead of time.
5) Have the MEETING.  :)

Reply to this email on your mailing list & I'll try to help you out.

Note: I'm doing this as one of my part time volunteer efforts for the
community, so I can only make a little time to help you.  I'll try to
help you.  :)  I've included step by step plans here & on the
BerkeleyTIP-Global Group website.  Ask questions to the
BerkeleyTIP-Global mailing list, & the community can help each other
out.

Reply to this message on your local list to let me know who will head up
your local meeting effort. Also say "Hi" on the BerkTIPGlobal mailing
list.  :)


=====  ATTENDEE & MEETING - FACTS & BENEFITS  =====
Whatever aspects of GNU(LINUX)/BSD 
freedom software, technology, or culture you are interested in,
on SEPTEMBER 6, SATURDAY, (& the 1st Saturday of every month)
the place YOU WILL WANT TO BE is at a local meeting of:

The historic First, Simultaneous,
Berkeley GNU(Linux)/BSD Freedom Culture
- Talks, Installfest, Potluck & ProgrammingParty (TIP)
Global-USA monthly meeting.
[10AM-6PM Pacific Daylight Savings Time - Adjust for your local time.]

http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal


=====  MEETING ACTIVITIES  =====
You will have about 20 educational talks to watch
[from the top minds in the GNU(Linux)/BSD Free SW world].
You will be able to:
Learn, Install or Upgrade, Communicate, & Create.

We will watch talks, then get together Globally-USA on IRC & VOIP to
discuss anything & everything.


=====  1 WEEK TO ARRANGE LOCAL MEETINGS  =====
With 1 week to go before the meeting, 
you have ample time to arrange a local meeting place & meeting.

I've created a simple plan/ set of instructions for you 
- all you have to do is follow the steps.

There's already been interest expressed in BatonRouge, Boston, Chicago,
Denver, Detroit, Hawaii, Montana, NorthCarolina, Virginia, Canada &
Columbia.  & Berkeley/SiliconValley.  & from FSF, FreeBSD & Debian
people. (And that's just from my small, part time effort on this.)

Who will be the person(s) to arrange your local meeting details?
Maybe it's you. (& it's straightforward, and easy to do.)


=====  WHO SHOULD ATTEND  =====
Parts of this meeting are relevant for:
Computing & technology professionals, business people, non-profits,
educators, students, scientists, (re)searchers, engineers, artists, &
home & personal computer users.

The meeting is Free, no money $ cost.
- & You might want to make a donation to support its growth/benefits.

I invite you to join our mailing list at
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal


=====  VOLUNTEERING - ME & YOU  =====
Note:  I'm putting this together as my volunteer effort for the
community, in my almost nonexistent "free/spare" time.   I've designed
this as a "self-reliant" event.  I'll certainly try to help everyone
out, but this event doesn't depend on me - if _you_ want a successful
event, it depends on _you_ (collectively).  It's a self reliant event, &
I've worked hard to ensure it is easy for you to succeed in making &
having a successful event/ experience(s).

Forward this announcement wherever you think it will do some good: like,
any list you don't see me posting this to.

I'm sending this to about 15 LUGs around the USA, plus come topic
groups, ex BSD, FSF, GNU, Debian, Gentoo, KDE, GNOME, Python.  Fee free
to send this announcement to any community email list where it could do
some good.


=======================================================================
=======================================================================
If I had lots of time, I'd complete this section.  But, since I want
this announcement to go out now, I'll leave this merely as complete as
it is.  You can find most of this information on the BerkTIPGlobal group
website.  Ask any questions you have on the group mailing list.


=====  CONTENTS:
0) Global group - mailing list - everyone join
1) Local Meeting Management/Arrangement Plan
2) Attendee Video Downloading Plan - Download before meeting
3) Talks / Topics - Tentative Schedule
4) IRC & VOIP - ProgrammingParty = VOIP this meeting
5) Installfest - HowTo - SelfReliance = bring everything you need
6) Ex of local meeting info: BerkeleyTIP local


=====  0) Global group - mailing list - everyone join  =====
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

There are 4 PARALLEL TRACKS of events:
1) TALKS        Talks by various speakers (stream video globally)
2) INSTALLFEST  Bring your computer & install BSD or GNU/Linux software.
3) POTLUCK      Bring $5 or food to share: eat, chat (optional)
4) PROGRAMMING PARTY     Write SW on your. or a group. project

This next meeting I am stepping this up from a local Berkeley meeting,
toward its goal of being a Global meeting.  For the September 6 meeting
I'm working to get USA locations up & connected.  I call this month's
meeting "Global-USA".  Anyone is welcome to set up a simultaneous
meeting anywhere in the world.  But _my_ efforts this month are
primarily directed to getting USA groups going.  Next month I'll focus
on getting Americas' groups added.


=====  1) Local Meeting Management/Arrangement Plan  =====
For people who want to have  a local meeting, whoever does the work is
the leader.  Here is a Plan for you to follow to arrange a meeting:

Here are the major accomplishments to achieve, by time point:
In time before the meeting:

3rd week:  August 17 - 23
1) Discuss meeting online with local group
2) Where to hold local meeting - Discuss

2nd Week:  August 24 - 30
1) Visit possible locations, verify internet connectivity.
2) Discuss merits of various locations.
3) Choose location for meeting.

1st Week:  August 31 - Sept 5
1) Visit location & get on IRC for  a test.
2) Make physical arrangements 
    signs, network hardware (WiFi AP, ethernet switch, ethernet cables,
    power cables)

0 Day:     September 6
Have meeting: Learn, install, eat, talk, create, have fun!  :)

http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal/web/local-meeting-manager-accomplishments

!!! NOTE: Your time zone simultaneous times are a
    DIFFERENT HOUR OF THE DAY than the hours below
    if you aren't in PDST. So ADJUST FOR YOUR TIME ZONE!!!
    EX: EAST COAST USA = PDST + 3 HOURS.
    I.E. 10 AM PDST = 1 PM EDST.  )

September 6 Saturday 10AM-6PM (Pacific Daylight Savings Time).
In your region.


=====  2) Attendee Video Downloading Plan - Download before meeting 
=====
All attendees to every meeting should download, before the meeting, the
videos they want to watch to their laptop.  This ensures you are self
sufficient, & aren't depending on someone else to bring the videos you
want to see.

At the appropriate hour, watch the relevant video.  Get on IRC with
others watching the same video & discuss it.

=====  3) Talks / Topics  =====
NEW THIS MONTH:
Watch the latest talks from Debconf, SciPy & KDE Akademy.
?Maybe even Defcon??


TALKS/VIDEOS/GROUP_MEETINGS AGENDA:

1000A DISTROS - GNU(Linux), BSD, Debian, Gentoo, FreeBSD OpenBSD
      SOCIAL - EFF, FSF
1130A PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES - Python, PERL, CC++, PHP
      DATABASES - MySQL, MSQL, BerkeleyDB
 100P GUI's - GNOME, KDE
      NETWORKING - internet, Apache, web browser, VOIP
 230P BUSINESS - CRM, ERP, spreadsheets
      EDUCATION/ACADEMIC - OLPC, SciPy
 400P HARDWARE - OLPC, phone
      PERSONAL APPLICATIONS - K/Open-Office, audio, video
 530P ART - Creative Commons, music, visual, Wikipedia
      WEB DESIGN


TENTATIVE SCHEDULE - Likely to change - watch group website for updates

1000 AM--------------------------------------------------------------
Network1:  Asterisk VOIP - Sameer Verma
Social:    GNU & Copyright - Richard Stallman
1130 AM--------------------------------------------------------------
Network2:  Debian - Setup A WiFi Repeater
Prog Lang: Painless Python Part 1 - Alex Martelli
Database:  A Googly MySQL Cluster 
100 PM--------------------------------------------------------------
GUIs:      ? - Akademy
Distros:   git - Linus Torvalds
           ? - Debian Debconf
230 PM--------------------------------------------------------------
Business:  Web 2.0 startups - David Weekly
Education: Python on the OLPC XO Laptop
400 PM--------------------------------------------------------------
Hardware:  ? Open Moko?? - can we get someone to give a talk on this???
Pers Apps: ? Games - TeamSpeak - can we get a talk on this???
530 PM--------------------------------------------------------------
Art:       ?
WebDesign: ?


===== 4) IRC & VOIP - ProgrammingParty = VOIP this meeting  =====
If you know WiFi, internet connection sharing, IRC, or VOIP, come & help
out on getting connection sharing going for local meetings, getting IRC
up for all meetings to join, & getting VOIP going.

VOIP = everyone bring a laptop, Audio Headset & microphone, WiFi
capability, & get together with people at all meetings on group VOIP
channels.  Too many details for me to mention more here.


===== 5) Installfest - HowTo - SelfReliance = bring everything you need 
=====
Local installfests - Optional, up to local meeting organizers.  Ask
attendees to be prepared, be self reliant, bring everything they think
they'll need - HW, SW, networking, power cables, minitors, WiFi cards &
AccessPoints, blank CDs, etc.


===== 6) Ex of local meeting info: BerkeleyTIP local  =====
Check out the announcements & links here for suggestions & guidelines:
http://groups.google.com/group/berktip


=======================================================================
=======================================================================
Now: 
JOIN the BerkeleyTIP-Global MAILING LIST:
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

What questions do you have?


From driveray at ameritech.net  Fri Aug 29 10:04:50 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:04:50 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] test
Message-ID: <48B80202.3080903@ameritech.net>

test


From driveray at ameritech.net  Fri Aug 29 10:11:07 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:11:07 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] The mailing lists seem to be back
Message-ID: <48B8037B.70009@ameritech.net>

MDLUGers:

After an unexpected lapse in service it seems that the mdlug mailing 
lists are back in operation. They are, that is, if you got this in your 
mail box. If you are just reading this in the archive, then I guess I 
still have work to do on it.

Hoping we can get the chatter back to "normal"

Raymond McLaughlin
MDLUG Server-Admin


From driveray at ameritech.net  Fri Aug 29 10:18:15 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:18:15 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] President's Mail Bag - O'Reilly News for User Group Members
Message-ID: <48B80527.6030905@ameritech.net>

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Sep 24-24, 2008
Leon County Civic Center
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Implications of Emerging Technologies: Social Networking,
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Sep 25, 2008
Marriott Salon 09
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Essentials) will be leading a session entitled "Session Title: Oracle
Business Intelligence Strategy for the Data Warehouse-Enabled
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<http://www.oracle.com/openworld/2008/index.html>

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Fresh from the Java Emerging Technologies Conference 2008 (JET 2008),
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<https://victorianjug.dev.java.net/2008/September/September.html>

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From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Fri Aug 29 10:35:21 2008
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:35:21 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] The mailing lists seem to be back
In-Reply-To: <48B8037B.70009@ameritech.net>
References: <48B8037B.70009@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE06210FEB@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>

What was the outage?  Would it be necessary to re-send any messages that
didn't get through?

-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf
Of Raymond McLaughlin
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 10:11 AM
To: mdlug at mdlug.org; mdlug-admin at mdlug.org; A place for members to
discuss anything they want,subjects not appropriate for any of the other
lists.; mdlug-newbie at mdlug.org
Subject: [mdlug] The mailing lists seem to be back

MDLUGers:

After an unexpected lapse in service it seems that the mdlug mailing 
lists are back in operation. They are, that is, if you got this in your 
mail box. If you are just reading this in the archive, then I guess I 
still have work to do on it.

Hoping we can get the chatter back to "normal"

Raymond McLaughlin
MDLUG Server-Admin
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


From driveray at ameritech.net  Fri Aug 29 11:30:07 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:30:07 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] The mailing lists seem to be back
In-Reply-To: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE06210FEB@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
References: <48B8037B.70009@ameritech.net>
	<8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE06210FEB@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
Message-ID: <48B815FF.5060508@ameritech.net>



Wojtak, Greg wrote:
> What was the outage?

On August 14 our co-lo provider lost connectivity:
> Jay Nugent wrote:
>> Greetings Ray,
>> 
>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008, Raymond McLaughlin wrote:
>> 
>>> Jay,
>>> Please reboot the MDLUG server.
>> 
>>    My own damn fault..... I let the bill for my POTS lines run a little
>> too long and it got turned off.  Paid everything up, but the DISCO order
>> got in ahead of the RE-ACTIVATION order and the DSL got disconnected for
>> that *ONE* day that the two orders were passing each other :(
>> 
>>    Anyway, long story short, Digital Realm took this opportunity to drop
>> Covad and use AT&T for the DSL.  Since AT&T *owns* the copper there is a
>> much better chance they will re-groom (shorten) my cable-footage from the
>> Central Office and I *could* end up with a faster speed :)
>> 
>>    In the meantime Digital Realm let me place a *couple* servers in their 
>> Co-Location room in downtown Ann Arbor.  Hence the Nameserver and the 
>> Web/Mail server are now located there.  My Monitoring box and the MDLUG 
>> server had to stay behind :(
>> 
>>    Though I *did* try to get a temporary dialup connection going to supply 
>> limited bandwidth, PPPD had it in for me :(   So this is the first I've 
>> been able to check email in a couple days -- by running down to the Red 
>> Cross Communications Center and SSHing in from there.
>> 
>> 
>>    Good news is:  the new router arrived today and the DSL is supposed to
>> be turned up tomorrow (Wednesday).
>> 
>> 
>>       --- Jay
>>              
>> In response to the issue about dumbing-down Amateur Radio, a fellow Ham 
>> said:    "Would you like fries with that emergency communication?"
>> +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>> | Jay Nugent   e-mail suppressed    (734)484-5105    (734)544-4326/Fax   |
>> | Nugent Telecommunications  [www.nuge.com]     (734)649-0850/Cell       |
>> |   Internet Consulting/Linux SysAdmin/Engineering & Design/ISP Reseller |
>> | ISP Monitoring [www.ispmonitor.net] ISP & Modem Performance Monitoring |
>> | Web-Pegasus    [www.webpegasus.com] Web Hosting/DNS Hosting/Shell Accts|
>> | LinuxNIC, Inc. [www.linuxnic.net]   Registrar of the .linux TLD        |
>> +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>>  10:00pm  up 3 days, 23:46,  2 users,  load average: 0.07, 0.15, 0.15


After we got our connectivity back the mailman program received a 
backlog of meesages. As it returned to functionality it resumed 
archiving incoming messages like normal, but failed to make outbound 
connection to our smtp server. Stopping and restarting various services 
did no good. Finally I fell back to the old "If it's broke reinstall it" 
maneuver. After stopping th mailman service, doing doing "rpm -ivh 
--force" followed by an online update and a restart of the mailman 
service, it works again.

I don't know if the reinstall replaced corrupt executables or just 
reinitialized something. My understanding of the program is not as deep 
as it probably should be. I followed the documentation to install, 
configure, and start it. Once it's running I mostly just leave it alone, 
using the web interface for day to day administration tasks.

>  Would it be necessary to re-send any messages that
> didn't get through?

If it hasn't been delivered yet it probably won't be. If you want to 
resend something you can proably copy and pastr it from the web archive 
<http://mdlug.org/pipermail/mdlug/> or your own "sent" mail folder.

Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.
Raymond McLaughlin
MDLUG Server Admin


>> MDLUGers:
>> 
>> After an unexpected lapse in service it seems that the mdlug mailing 
>> lists are back in operation. They are, that is, if you got this in your 
>> mail box. If you are just reading this in the archive, then I guess I 
>> still have work to do on it.
>> 
>> Hoping we can get the chatter back to "normal"
>> 
>> Raymond McLaughlin
>> MDLUG Server-Admin


From tesral at comcast.net  Sat Aug 30 01:36:34 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 01:36:34 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [penguicon-general] OT: 18 Tech / Finance jobs in
	Livonia]
Message-ID: <48B8DC62.5080002@comcast.net>

Forward without comment.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[penguicon-general] OT: 18 Tech / Finance jobs in Livonia
Date: 	Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:46:05 -0400
From: 	Steve Gutterman <stevegutterman at gmail.com>
Reply-To: 	penguicon-general at penguicon.org
To: 	stilyagi at stilyagi.org, penguicon-general at penguicon.org, 
michiganfandom <MichiganFandom at yahoogroups.com>



Pardon the off topic post, but with the economy hereabouts being the way 
it is, there's always a lot of interest in job opportunities.  My 
company (WorkForce Software) is having a gangbusters year, and as a 
result needs a *lot* of positions filled.  We've got 18 openings right 
now, and likely more to come later.  We're a time and attendance 
software company in Livonia, right at the I-275, I-96, M-14 junction, 
and only 20 minutes from Ann Arbor.  Here's what we're looking for, most 
of these positions have multiple openings:
 
  * Software implementation project managers - Good experience in 
implementation and customer managment
  * Project manager assistants - For recent college grads with little 
experience but good organizational skills, being a whiz with Excel 
macros or Visual Basic is a big plus!
  * Implementation consultants - Prior experience in analysis and 
requirements documentation, some travel required.
  * Technical implementation consultants - Requrements analysis for 
interaces and data transfer, a configuration and programming 
(SQL/Javascript) position.
  * Configuration specialists - Software configuration, you should have 
a few years of light programming, analysis, or implementation experience.
  * Support analysts - A support desk position heavy on analysis and 
problem solving. Criteria is same as the configuration specialist, 
you'll be trained that way first before moving to support.
  * Junior configuration specialist - Entry level position for college 
grads, similar to configuration specialist but in simpler areas.
  * Software trainer - Just what it says! Become a subject matter expert 
in using the application and training, quite a bit of travel.
  * Finance & marketing analyst - Background in finance or marketing 
(2-4 years) and able to assist in financial forecasting or modeling. MBA 
or equivalent experience preferred.
 
If you're interested (or want more info) please contact me directly with 
your resume at SteveGutterman <at> hotmail.com <http://hotmail.com>.  
We've finally started an employee referral bonus program, so I want the 
credit! :)  If you'd prefer to just send your resume in through our 
website at www.workforcesoftware.com 
<http://www.workforcesoftware.com/>, then be sure to use my name as the 
person that told you about the opening.  (And it WILL make a difference 
in whether your application gets looked at - they'll ask me about it.) 
 
If you think you've seen me post about jobs with this company before, 
you're right.  The company is small, but successful and growing, and we 
constantly are adding people.  Many of these jobs are for brand new 
positions we've never had before, not the same slots being recycled.
 
Thanks, and good luck!

-- 
"Don't fully trust anyone until he has stuck with a good cause which he 
saw was losing." -- Morton Blackwell's "Laws of the Public Policy Process"

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
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From john_re at fastmail.us  Fri Aug  1 09:21:33 2008
From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:21:33 -0700
Subject: [mdlug] Who's in charge of this group? - Inter group meeting
 BerkeleyTIP-Global August 2 Saturday
Message-ID: <1217596893.7460.1266500023@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hello from Berkeley, MDLUGers :)

Please tell me - who is in charge in this group?

I ask because I'm wondering: who are the person(s) who might be the ones
to help arrange & coordinate an inter group meeting?

I wonder that, because I'm putting together a great new event, a global
GNU(Linux)/BSD type software & free culture meeting.

It is a meeting for people interested in learning about, using &
creating GNU & BSD type software & culture.

I call the local Berkeley meeting the BerkeleyTIP - 
  (Talks, Installfest, Potluck & ProgrammingParty)

And I call the global simultaneous set of local meetings the
Berkeley-TIP-Global meeting.

I'm wondering
1) If anyone at your group might be interested in joining together in
this event with others around the world, and if so, then
2) who might be the person(s) to head up handling arrangements, &
coordination, etc, for the joint meeting?

If this sounds to you like it might be interesting, here is some info
for you to read:

=====  CONTENTS:
1) THE BASIC FACTS ABOUT THE MEETING
2) WHAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED SO FAR
3) WHAT TO DO NEXT
4) JOIN WITH US TOMORROW, AUGUST 2, SATURDAY
   FOR THE FIRST BerkeleyTIP-Global-USA MEETING?
5) VIDEO TALKS FOR AUGUST 2 MEETING
6) SUMMARY

=====================================================================
=====  1) THE BASIC FACTS ABOUT THE MEETING  =====

The basic idea is a monthly meeting, a full day at the beginning of each
month, the first Saturday of each month, simultaneous throughout Earth,
with these four components:

There are 4 PARALLEL TRACKS of activities:
1) TALKS        Talks by various speakers (stream/DL video globally)
2) INSTALLFEST  Bring your computer & install BSD or GNU/Linux software.
3) POTLUCK      Bring food to share or $5: eat, chat (optional)
4) PROGRAMMING PARTY     Write SW on your. or a group. project

We will have IRC & VOIP communications between the groups, enabling
information sharing, & work on development projects, etc.  It's like a
GNU-Linux user group meeting, on a global scale. Or, it's like a whole
earth GNU-Linux user group meeting.

=====================================================================
=====  2) WHAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED SO FAR  =====

I'm doing this in my "spare" part time, as a volunteer effort for the
GNU(Linux)/BSD community.  By education I'm an electrical engineer (with
a bit of computer science).  I've been a GNU(Linux) user for about 10
years, and a member of San Francisco Bay Area & Silicon Valley LUGs for
that long.

When I decided to work on doing this, about 2 months ago, I decided to
just work slowly, steadily, & build it up a step at a time.

So far, we've had two successful local meetings here in Berkeley. A
first start up meeting, just to get together & talk & plan.  Next month
we worked on getting WiFi going at the meeting so it would be easy to
share an internet connection for everyone. We also got an IRC channel up
which the meeting attendees logged into.

Now, this month, I've gotten a Google Groups mailing list & web page for
both the local, & global groups.  And, I'm now working on sending out
the announcement about this meeting, & finding out which people at other
groups are interested in this.  And I'll try to work to help groups like
yours, that have members who are interested in this, get started in
getting connected with this meeting.

=====================================================================
=====  3) WHAT TO DO NEXT  =====

So, if anyone there is interested based on what I've said so far, there
are several things that could be done:

1) Reply to this email, letting me know what part(s) of this you,
personally, are interested in.
2) As part of that, discuss among your local selves if the individuals
who are interested would like to work to get a local simultaneous
meeting going.
3) Figure out who at your group would lead that effort, or would work on
arranging it.
4) Read the Berkeley-TIP-Global website, & join it's mailing list:
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

The Global group is open to anyone joining - not just the local group
leaders.  In fact, it is _encouraged_ that everyone interested in the
meeting join the list - the input on discussions from everyone
interested will benefit everyone else.

There is more to know about this event than I can put in this email. 
I've put much of that information up on the website, so I encourage you
to scan or read it over.  Hopefully that will answer most of the
questions you have.  If not, please join that group & post questions,
comments & suggestions for improvement to the mailing list.

=====================================================================
=====  4) JOIN WITH US TOMORROW, AUGUST 2                =====
=====     FOR THE FIRST BerkeleyTIP-Global-USA MEETING?  =====

If anyone in your group is a bit experienced, or up for some fun, you
might want to pull a meeting together & join with us tomorrow, Saturday
for our first effort to have a multi-site meeting.

This month, I'm just focusing on getting the word out to USA groups.  I
call this month the Global-USA effort.  In future months I'll expand it
to working to get groups connected from the Americas, Europe, then Asia.

It's easy to join in with us - 
1) Just find someplace with at least internet capability for IRC (better
if it could do VOIP, but that's not necessary for the first meeting) -
it could be merely someone's home or apartment, an internet cafe, or a
school or office room.
2) Post an announcement to your local list that everyone is invited.
3) Come to your local meeting & get on IRC with us.
4) Download some videos & watch them simultaneously with all the
participating groups.
5) Talk about the videos, or whatever, on IRC, or VOIP.

That's all there is to it.

=====================================================================
=====  5) VIDEO TALKS FOR AUGUST 2 MEETING  =====

For this first meeting, tomorrow, Saturday, I've scheduled the following
videos to watch (All times Pacific Daylight Savings Time, adjust for
local time accordingly.):

TENTATIVE SCHEDULE: 

1000 AM--------------------------------------------------------------
Network1:  Asterisk VOIP - Sameer Verma
                http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2148055040572903738
                http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/MeetingAgenda20070628
Social:     ?
1130 AM--------------------------------------------------------------
Network2:  Debian - Setup A WiFi Repeater
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJKe_jXszFc
Prog Lang:  Painless Python Part 1 - Alex Martelli
                http://youtube.com/watch?v=bDgD9whDfEY
                http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/2008-June/003629.html
Database:   A Googly MySQL Cluster 
                http://youtube.com/watch?v=HJ930zMk96U
100 PM--------------------------------------------------------------
GUIs:       ?
Distros:    git - Linus Torvalds
                http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2199332044603874737
230 PM--------------------------------------------------------------
Business:   Web 2.0 startups - David Weekly
                http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2765503550413131030
                http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/MeetingAgenda20080626
Education:  Python on the OLPC XO Laptop
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPabiIHgmBU

=====================================================================
=====  6) SUMMARY  =====

Well, that is the basic information.

Does this sound interesting to you?  Please reply to this email & let me
know.

I look forward to hearing from you. :)

http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal


From carl at carltm.com  Fri Aug  1 10:53:00 2008
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:53:00 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Who's in charge of this group? - Inter group meeting
	BerkeleyTIP-Global August 2 Saturday
Message-ID: <200808011453.m71Erk9Q026779@carltm.carltm.com>

officers at mdlug.org

Although it's okay to announce
Linux related events to the list.

c


-----Original Message-----

From:  "john_re" <john_re at fastmail.us>
Subj:  [mdlug] Who's in charge of this group? - Inter group meeting BerkeleyTIP-Global August 2 Saturday
Date:  Fri Aug 1, 2008 9:21 am
Size:  7K
To:  mdlug at mdlug.org

Hello from Berkeley, MDLUGers :)

Please tell me - who is in charge in this group?

I ask because I'm wondering: who are the person(s) who might be the ones
to help arrange & coordinate an inter group meeting?

I wonder that, because I'm putting together a great new event, a global
GNU(Linux)/BSD type software & free culture meeting.

It is a meeting for people interested in learning about, using &
creating GNU & BSD type software & culture.

I call the local Berkeley meeting the BerkeleyTIP - 
  (Talks, Installfest, Potluck & ProgrammingParty)

And I call the global simultaneous set of local meetings the
Berkeley-TIP-Global meeting.

I'm wondering
1) If anyone at your group might be interested in joining together in
this event with others around the world, and if so, then
2) who might be the person(s) to head up handling arrangements, &
coordination, etc, for the joint meeting?

If this sounds to you like it might be interesting, here is some info
for you to read:

=====  CONTENTS:
1) THE BASIC FACTS ABOUT THE MEETING
2) WHAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED SO FAR
3) WHAT TO DO NEXT
4) JOIN WITH US TOMORROW, AUGUST 2, SATURDAY
   FOR THE FIRST BerkeleyTIP-Global-USA MEETING?
5) VIDEO TALKS FOR AUGUST 2 MEETING
6) SUMMARY

=====================================================================
=====  1) THE BASIC FACTS ABOUT THE MEETING  =====

The basic idea is a monthly meeting, a full day at the beginning of each
month, the first Saturday of each month, simultaneous throughout Earth,
with these four components:

There are 4 PARALLEL TRACKS of activities:
1) TALKS        Talks by various speakers (stream/DL video globally)
2) INSTALLFEST  Bring your computer & install BSD or GNU/Linux software.
3) POTLUCK      Bring food to share or $5: eat, chat (optional)
4) PROGRAMMING PARTY     Write SW on your. or a group. project

We will have IRC & VOIP communications between the groups, enabling
information sharing, & work on development projects, etc.  It's like a
GNU-Linux user group meeting, on a global scale. Or, it's like a whole
earth GNU-Linux user group meeting.

=====================================================================
=====  2) WHAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED SO FAR  =====

I'm doing this in my "spare" part time, as a volunteer effort for the
GNU(Linux)/BSD community.  By education I'm an electrical engineer (with
a bit of computer science).  I've been a GNU(Linux) user for about 10
years, and a member of San Francisco Bay Area & Silicon Valley LUGs for
that long.

When I decided to work on doing this, about 2 months ago, I decided to
just work slowly, steadily, & build it up a step at a time.

So far, we've had two successful local meetings here in Berkeley. A
first start up meeting, just to get together & talk & plan.  Next month
we worked on getting WiFi going at the meeting so it would be easy to
share an internet connection for everyone. We also got an IRC channel up
which the meeting attendees logged into.

Now, this month, I've gotten a Google Groups mailing list & web page for
both the local, & global groups.  And, I'm now working on sending out
the announcement about this meeting, & finding out which people at other
groups are interested in this.  And I'll try to work to help groups like
yours, that have members who are interested in this, get started in
getting connected with this meeting.

=====================================================================
=====  3) WHAT TO DO NEXT  =====

So, if anyone there is interested based on what I've said so far, there
are several things that could be done:

1) Reply to this email, letting me know what part(s) of this you,
personally, are interested in.
2) As part of that, discuss among your local selves if the individuals
who are interested would like to work to get a local simultaneous
meeting going.
3) Figure out who at your group would lead that effort, or would work on
arranging it.
4) Read the Berkeley-TIP-Global website, & join it's mailing list:
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

The Global group is open to anyone joining - not just the local group
leaders.  In fact, it is _encouraged_ that everyone interested in the
meeting join the list - the input on discussions from everyone
interested will benefit everyone else.

There is more to know about this event than I can put in this email. 
I've put much of that information up on the website, so I encourage you
to scan or read it over.  Hopefully that will answer most of the
questions you have.  If not, please join that group & post questions,
comments & suggestions for improvement to the mailing list.

=====================================================================
=====  4) JOIN WITH US TOMORROW, AUGUST 2                =====
=====     FOR THE FIRST BerkeleyTIP-Global-USA MEETING?  =====

If anyone in your group is a bit experienced, or up for some fun, you
might want to pull a meeting together & join with us tomorrow, Saturday
for our first effort to have a multi-site meeting.

This month, I'm just focusing on getting the word out to USA groups.  I
call this month the Global-USA effort.  In future months I'll expand it
to working to get groups connected from the Americas, Europe, then Asia.

It's easy to join in with us - 
1) Just find someplace with at least internet capability for IRC (better
if it could do VOIP, but that's not necessary for the first meeting) -
it could be merely someone's home or apartment, an internet cafe, or a
school or office room.
2) Post an announcement to your local list that everyone is invited.
3) Come to your local meeting & get on IRC with us.
4) Download some videos & watch them simultaneously with all the
participating groups.
5) Talk about the videos, or whatever, on IRC, or VOIP.

That's all there is to it.

=====================================================================
=====  5) VIDEO TALKS FOR AUGUST 2 MEETING  =====

For this first meeting, tomorrow, Saturday, I've scheduled the following
videos to watch (All times Pacific Daylight Savings Time, adjust for
local time accordingly.):

TENTATIVE SCHEDULE: 

1000 AM--------------------------------------------------------------
Network1:  Asterisk VOIP - Sameer Verma
                http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2148055040572903738
                http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/MeetingAgenda20070628
Social:     ?
1130 AM--------------------------------------------------------------
Network2:  Debian - Setup A WiFi Repeater
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJKe_jXszFc
Prog Lang:  Painless Python Part 1 - Alex Martelli
                http://youtube.com/watch?v=bDgD9whDfEY
                http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/2008-June/003629.html
Database:   A Googly MySQL Cluster 
                http://youtube.com/watch?v=HJ930zMk96U
100 PM--------------------------------------------------------------
GUIs:       ?
Distros:    git - Linus Torvalds
                http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2199332044603874737
230 PM--------------------------------------------------------------
Business:   Web 2.0 startups - David Weekly
                http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2765503550413131030
                http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/MeetingAgenda20080626
Education:  Python on the OLPC XO Laptop
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPabiIHgmBU

=====================================================================
=====  6) SUMMARY  =====

Well, that is the basic information.

Does this sound interesting to you?  Please reply to this email & let me
know.

I look forward to hearing from you. :)

http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug



From john_re at fastmail.us  Fri Aug  1 13:35:36 2008
From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 10:35:36 -0700
Subject: [mdlug] Officers - Of interest? was- Re: Who's in charge of this
 group? - Inter group meeting BerkeleyTIP-Global August 2 Saturday
Message-ID: <1217612136.23515.1266537709@webmail.messagingengine.com>

1) Thanks for the info.
2) Hi Officers - is this of interest to you, or your group members?

=====
officers at mdlug.org

Although it's okay to announce
Linux related events to the list.-

c


-----Original Message-----

From:  "john_re" <john_re at fastmail.us>
Subj:  [mdlug] Who's in charge of this group? - Inter group meeting
BerkeleyTIP-Global August 2 Saturday
Date:  Fri Aug 1, 2008 9:21 am
Size:  7K
To:  mdlug at mdlug.org

Hello from Berkeley, MDLUGers :)

Please tell me - who is in charge in this group?

I ask because I'm wondering: who are the person(s) who might be the ones
to help arrange & coordinate an inter group meeting?

I wonder that, because I'm putting together a great new event, a global
GNU(Linux)/BSD type software & free culture meeting.

It is a meeting for people interested in learning about, using &
creating GNU & BSD type software & culture.

I call the local Berkeley meeting the BerkeleyTIP - 
  (Talks, Installfest, Potluck & ProgrammingParty)

And I call the global simultaneous set of local meetings the
Berkeley-TIP-Global meeting.

I'm wondering
1) If anyone at your group might be interested in joining together in
this event with others around the world, and if so, then
2) who might be the person(s) to head up handling arrangements, &
coordination, etc, for the joint meeting?

If this sounds to you like it might be interesting, here is some info
for you to read:

=====  CONTENTS:
1) THE BASIC FACTS ABOUT THE MEETING
2) WHAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED SO FAR
3) WHAT TO DO NEXT
4) JOIN WITH US TOMORROW, AUGUST 2, SATURDAY
   FOR THE FIRST BerkeleyTIP-Global-USA MEETING?
5) VIDEO TALKS FOR AUGUST 2 MEETING
6) SUMMARY

=====================================================================
=====  1) THE BASIC FACTS ABOUT THE MEETING  =====

The basic idea is a monthly meeting, a full day at the beginning of each
month, the first Saturday of each month, simultaneous throughout Earth,
with these four components:

There are 4 PARALLEL TRACKS of activities:
1) TALKS        Talks by various speakers (stream/DL video globally)
2) INSTALLFEST  Bring your computer & install BSD or GNU/Linux software.
3) POTLUCK      Bring food to share or $5: eat, chat (optional)
4) PROGRAMMING PARTY     Write SW on your. or a group. project

We will have IRC & VOIP communications between the groups, enabling
information sharing, & work on development projects, etc.  It's like a
GNU-Linux user group meeting, on a global scale. Or, it's like a whole
earth GNU-Linux user group meeting.


From Stan at mcomputersolutions.com  Sun Aug  3 22:07:28 2008
From: Stan at mcomputersolutions.com (Stan Green)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 22:07:28 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] e2fsck - What to do?
Message-ID: <200808032207.28602.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>

First a little background:

I was copying data over NFS when the target computer locked up. I had to 
hard-boot it to get it back. When it came back up, the drive I was copying to 
was not mounted. (Normally it is.) The log showed:
EXT2-fs error (device hdg1): ext2_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group 
1280 not in group (block 65545)!
EXT2-fs: group descriptors corrupted!

So I ran mke2fs -n /dev/hdg1 to which gave me a superblock, 98304 that I could 
use. I than ran: e2fsck -b 98304 /dev/hdg1

This started producing a large number (I canceled once and it showed 511 
errors) of error all in the pattern:
Block bitmap for group 0 is not in group.  (block 1493433566)
Relocate<y>? yes

Inode bitmap for group 0 is not in group.  (block 772925346)
Relocate<y>? yes

Inode table for group 0 is not in group.  (block 1931314432)
WARNING: SEVERE DATA LOSS POSSIBLE.
Relocate<y>?

The question is am I on the right track to recover this drive and if so what 
should I answer to the last question. (I don't want SEVERE DATA LOSS!) I was 
answering No, but quit after about 40 sets of messages. Lastly, is there any 
way to automate this so I don't have to sit an hit Y 1500 times?

Thanks,
Stan Green



From otakurider at gmail.com  Sun Aug  3 14:22:14 2008
From: otakurider at gmail.com (-)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:22:14 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Lenovo T61p MMC/SD card Ubuntu 8.04
Message-ID: <cd5131a50808031122n4a6e8faao57879b116894420@mail.gmail.com>

I am trying to get a Canon MMC 32Meg card working on a Lenovo T61p with
Ubuntu 8.04 - The light will flash for 2 blinks when I insert the card then
stop - nothing I can see in syslog, Dmesg or messages files in /var/log.   I
have tried tail -f all the logs to see if it will register anything but
nothing is written to the files at the time I insert the card.


only MMC I can find is in dmesg

[   20.549109] ricoh-mmc: Ricoh MMC Controller disabling driver
[   20.549112] ricoh-mmc: Copyright(c) Philip Langdale
[   20.549150] ricoh-mmc: Ricoh MMC controller found at 0000:15:00.3
[1180:0843] (rev 11)
[   20.549167] ricoh-mmc: Controller is now disabled.

not sure if its of any value


Thanks in advance

Pat


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Sat Aug  2 15:37:11 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 15:37:11 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] Future of Alpine/UW-imapd
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808021322330.2261@banana.sluggo.net>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808021322330.2261@banana.sluggo.net>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90808021237k13fee662o319b67e540916c1d@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Michael Corral <micorral at comcast.net> wrote:
> I just heard about this today:
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.mail.imap/browse_thread/thread/7187f4d1f4478184/a0c4c96c4d365eb0?lnk=gst&q=thanks+fish#
>
> The Univ. of Washington laid off most of the Alpine development staff
> back in May. It's not clear what will happen to Alpine or UW-imapd.
> I'll keep using Alpine as my mail client no matter what, but as a
> long-time Pine/Alpine user, it's sad to hear what happened.

I use Gmail and don't have much use for offline clients.  Web email is
much more convenient as I can access it from anywhere with any PC.  I
don't live through email so I'm not inconvenienced much when I don't
have Internet access but with free WiFi hotspots (and insecure home
networks) it's rare that I can't get it.  I suspect a lot of clients
will be abandoned in the future:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_e-mail_clients

I remember when Pegasus was all the rage back in the early Netware days.


From micorral at comcast.net  Sat Aug  2 13:27:33 2008
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:27:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Future of Alpine/UW-imapd
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808021322330.2261@banana.sluggo.net>

I just heard about this today:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.mail.imap/browse_thread/thread/7187f4d1f4478184/a0c4c96c4d365eb0?lnk=gst&q=thanks+fish#

The Univ. of Washington laid off most of the Alpine development staff
back in May. It's not clear what will happen to Alpine or UW-imapd.
I'll keep using Alpine as my mail client no matter what, but as a
long-time Pine/Alpine user, it's sad to hear what happened.

Michael


From mathew.enders at prodigy.net  Sun Aug  3 23:04:28 2008
From: mathew.enders at prodigy.net (Mathew Enders)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 23:04:28 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Mounting a samba share
Message-ID: <1217819068.6663.21.camel@MOBIL-01>

I am having a bit of difficulty mounting a samba share.  The share is on
a linux server running samba.  It needs to be a samba share as local
windows clients connect to it.

Here is my /etc/fstab

/dev/md1                /                       ext3    defaults        1 1
/dev/md2                /var                    ext3    defaults        1 2
/dev/md0                /boot                   ext3    defaults        1 2
tmpfs                   /dev/shm                tmpfs   defaults        0 0
devpts                  /dev/pts                devpts  gid=5,mode=620  0 0
sysfs                   /sys                    sysfs   defaults        0 0
proc                    /proc                   proc    defaults        0 0
LABEL=SWAP-hda2         swap                    swap    defaults        0 0
LABEL=SWAP-hdb4         swap                    swap    defaults        0 0
//192.168.1.101/staff /rmt-mnt/gaud-it cifs credentials=/home/ruser/.smbpasswd,uid=ruser,gid=ruser 0 0
//192.168.1.101/staff /rmt-mnt/level-2 cifs credentials=/home/lvl-two/.smbpasswd,uid=lvl-two,gid=lvl-two 0 0

The bottom 2 are the samba share the first one mounts fine and readable
and writable by ruser.  The second one does not mount the reason given
during boot is error 13 opening credentials /home/lvl-two/.smbpasswd

Hers is /etc/mtab after boot.

/dev/md1 / ext3 rw 0 0
proc /proc proc rw 0 0
sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 0
devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0
/dev/md2 /var ext3 rw 0 0
/dev/md0 /boot ext3 rw 0 0
tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0
none /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc binfmt_misc rw 0 0
sunrpc /var/lib/nfs/rpc_pipefs rpc_pipefs rw 0 0
//192.168.1.101/staff /rmt-mnt/gaud-it cifs rw,mand 0 0

Notice the mounted samba share at the bottom.

Here is an ls -AL of ruser home directory showing the credentiels
file .smbpasswd.

drwxr-xr-x 3 ruser ruser 4096 Aug  3 21:31 .nautilus
-rw------- 1 ruser ruser   30 Aug  2 22:10 .smbpasswd
drwx------ 2 ruser ruser 4096 Aug  3 18:58 .ssh

Here is an ls -Al of lvl-two home directory showing the creden tials
file .smbpasswd.

-rw-r--r-- 1 lvl-two lvl-two  876 Aug  3 21:27 .recently-used.xbel
-rw------- 1 lvl-two lvl-two   32 Aug  3 22:04 .smbpasswd
drwx------ 2 lvl-two lvl-two 4096 Aug  3 21:26 .Trash


Thanks for any help in this matter



From peter at petertheplumber.net  Mon Aug  4 06:44:40 2008
From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:44:40 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Lenovo T61p MMC/SD card Ubuntu 8.04
In-Reply-To: <cd5131a50808031122n4a6e8faao57879b116894420@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cd5131a50808031122n4a6e8faao57879b116894420@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1217846680.4410.2.camel@peter-notebook.site>


On Sun, 2008-08-03 at 14:22 -0400, - wrote:
> I am trying to get a Canon MMC 32Meg card working on a Lenovo T61p with
> Ubuntu 8.04 - The light will flash for 2 blinks when I insert the card then
> stop - nothing I can see in syslog, Dmesg or messages files in /var/log.   I
> have tried tail -f all the logs to see if it will register anything but
> nothing is written to the files at the time I insert the card.
> 
> 
> only MMC I can find is in dmesg
> 
> [   20.549109] ricoh-mmc: Ricoh MMC Controller disabling driver
> [   20.549112] ricoh-mmc: Copyright(c) Philip Langdale
> [   20.549150] ricoh-mmc: Ricoh MMC controller found at 0000:15:00.3
> [1180:0843] (rev 11)
> [   20.549167] ricoh-mmc: Controller is now disabled.
> 
> not sure if its of any value
> 

Pat,
	I have a T61 with a card reader and have never been able to access my
RS-MMC cards, of which I have several. I think it's somewhere in the
spec that the reader itself does not support MMC? FWIW.

Best Regards,
-- 
Peter Bart <peter at petertheplumber.net>
http://petertheplumber.net



From peter at petertheplumber.net  Mon Aug  4 06:47:59 2008
From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:47:59 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [WLUG] Future of Alpine/UW-imapd
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e90808021237k13fee662o319b67e540916c1d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808021322330.2261@banana.sluggo.net>
	<b02c40e90808021237k13fee662o319b67e540916c1d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1217846879.4410.5.camel@peter-notebook.site>


On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 15:37 -0400, Jeff Hanson wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Michael Corral <micorral at comcast.net> wrote:
> > I just heard about this today:
> > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.mail.imap/browse_thread/thread/7187f4d1f4478184/a0c4c96c4d365eb0?lnk=gst&q=thanks+fish#
> >
> > The Univ. of Washington laid off most of the Alpine development staff
> > back in May. It's not clear what will happen to Alpine or UW-imapd.
> > I'll keep using Alpine as my mail client no matter what, but as a
> > long-time Pine/Alpine user, it's sad to hear what happened.
> 
> I use Gmail and don't have much use for offline clients.  Web email is
> much more convenient as I can access it from anywhere with any PC.  I
> don't live through email so I'm not inconvenienced much when I don't
> have Internet access but with free WiFi hotspots (and insecure home
> networks) it's rare that I can't get it.  I suspect a lot of clients
> will be abandoned in the future:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_e-mail_clients
> 
> I remember when Pegasus was all the rage back in the early Netware days.

	I'm on the opposite end, I use exclusively pc based programs because
invariably when I need something I have no connection.

Best Regards,
-- 
Peter Bart <peter at petertheplumber.net>
http://petertheplumber.net



From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Mon Aug  4 08:54:15 2008
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 08:54:15 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] e2fsck - What to do?
In-Reply-To: <200808032207.28602.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
References: <200808032207.28602.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
Message-ID: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605B385@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>

Fsck has the -y option to "just do it."  If you are having that many
issues with the drive, you may want to try other measures to get your
data back, first, if it is important.  I'm no data recovery expert,
though, so I defer to someone more knowledgeable in this area.  I just
wanted to make sure you knew about the -y option and its implications if
you did use it.

Along the same lines, for commands that don't have a -f or -y to answer
yes for you, there is the greatest command of all time: yes.  For
example, (stupid example, but it shows the point):

# yes | rm -ri /tmp/*



-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf
Of Stan Green
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 10:07 PM
To: MDLUG
Subject: [mdlug] e2fsck - What to do?

First a little background:

I was copying data over NFS when the target computer locked up. I had to

hard-boot it to get it back. When it came back up, the drive I was
copying to 
was not mounted. (Normally it is.) The log showed:
EXT2-fs error (device hdg1): ext2_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for
group 
1280 not in group (block 65545)!
EXT2-fs: group descriptors corrupted!

So I ran mke2fs -n /dev/hdg1 to which gave me a superblock, 98304 that I
could 
use. I than ran: e2fsck -b 98304 /dev/hdg1

This started producing a large number (I canceled once and it showed 511

errors) of error all in the pattern:
Block bitmap for group 0 is not in group.  (block 1493433566)
Relocate<y>? yes

Inode bitmap for group 0 is not in group.  (block 772925346)
Relocate<y>? yes

Inode table for group 0 is not in group.  (block 1931314432)
WARNING: SEVERE DATA LOSS POSSIBLE.
Relocate<y>?

The question is am I on the right track to recover this drive and if so
what 
should I answer to the last question. (I don't want SEVERE DATA LOSS!) I
was 
answering No, but quit after about 40 sets of messages. Lastly, is there
any 
way to automate this so I don't have to sit an hit Y 1500 times?

Thanks,
Stan Green

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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Mon Aug  4 09:32:46 2008
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 09:32:46 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] e2fsck - What to do?
In-Reply-To: <200808032207.28602.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370120B110@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Stan Green

> The question is am I on the right track to recover this drive 
> and if so what should I answer to the last question.

 If you can hook up some storage, you could use "dd" to take an image of
the partition as it exists now. That way, you can make copies and try a couple
different ways of recovering. The command would be like "dd if=/dev/[the device,
e.g. sdb5] of=[filename]".

 Also, it does you no good now, but in the future, a journaling filesystem like
ext3 or XFS or JFS handles these situations better. :-<

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                              (313) 227-2317

  "You can't fool me! I listen to public radio!" - Squidward Tentacles
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From list1c30fe42 at bellsouth.net  Mon Aug  4 09:37:21 2008
From: list1c30fe42 at bellsouth.net (Robert Meier)
Date: Mon,  4 Aug 2008 09:37:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] e2fsck - What to do?
In-Reply-To: <200808032207.28602.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com> (message from
	Stan Green on Sun, 3 Aug 2008 22:07:28 -0400)
References: <200808032207.28602.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
Message-ID: <20080804133721.A083613EC08@starfox.local>

Stan,

> The question is am I on the right track [blindly accepting e2fsck
> recommendations] to recover this drive and if so what 
> should I answer to the last question.

[Read below regarding answers before continuing totally blind.]

I think you are on the right track.
The bitmap is a cache,
and the error is reporting a mismatch between the actual inode state,
and its cached state.

Relocating (duplicating probably deleted data)
is the safer course of action.
The risk is that something (e.g. a bad sector) prevented updating an
actual inode involved in system configuration, and that after relocation
the bad dupe is used.
Responding, as you are, to the first report of fsck error,
the worst I've personally encountered,
after accepting all of fsck's normal recommendations,
is to find the actual files (or recently-changed portions) in lost+found/ ,
and the requirement to reconnect the actual files.

I've seen others continue to use a disk with fsck errors,
soon find the frequency of errors growing,
and (by the time I was involved) suffer permanent data loss.



> (I don't want SEVERE DATA LOSS!) I was answering No,
> but quit after about 40 sets of messages.

If the data is valuable enough, I suggest you get a spare disk drive,
create a partition of the same size, dd(1) the contents of the
suspect disk to the copy partition on the spare drive, and recover the copy.
If the outcome is not desirable, you can repeat the process (with
answers varied according to why the outcome was not desirable).



> Lastly, is there any way to automate this so I don't have to sit
> an hit Y 1500 times?

fsck -n > file-on-other-disk.fsck
e2fsck will report to a file, so that you can examine it more systematically.

fsck -y

e2fsck (and fsck in general) nominally separates operations into
those considered safe, and performed automatically with -y,
and those considered unsafe, and performed only with approval or -p.

> Inode bitmap for group 0 is not in group.  (block 772925346)
> Relocate<y>? yes

This indicates that fsck thinks this is a safe operation
(i.e. the data may end up in /lost+found,
 but should not be immediately lost.)

> Inode table for group 0 is not in group.  (block 1931314432)
> WARNING: SEVERE DATA LOSS POSSIBLE.
> Relocate<y>?

This indicates that fsck thinks this is a risky operation
(i.e. data may be immediately lost).
My practice is to always answer n, during the first pass,
and if it repeats (less than 10%), do further research
(e.g. find the data referenced by block 1931314432).



The value of hitting Y 1500 times, is that you can record the inode
numbers, which usually map linearly to the offset within the data
image, thereby usually identifying the files at risk and where
the lost data might be.

Despite the tedium (and need to rediscover the linear map each time)
I've found it worth recording (esp. if fsck -n was supported)
the inodes each time.

Hopefully helpful,
-- 
Bob

  "Spammers seem to assume that you are heavily in debt,
   under-endowed, impotent, jobless, without a college diploma,
   without insurance, in need of prepaid legal representation,
   and need to investigate those closest to you. In other
   words, they are selling to themselves!"
      -- Raymond Ingles 2002



From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Mon Aug  4 12:46:29 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:46:29 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Lenovo T61p MMC/SD card Ubuntu 8.04
In-Reply-To: <cd5131a50808031122n4a6e8faao57879b116894420@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cd5131a50808031122n4a6e8faao57879b116894420@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90808040946l514c2ee6n87c0ec6a4a19a75e@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 2:22 PM, - <otakurider at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am trying to get a Canon MMC 32Meg card working on a Lenovo T61p with
> Ubuntu 8.04 - The light will flash for 2 blinks when I insert the card then
> stop - nothing I can see in syslog, Dmesg or messages files in /var/log.   I
> have tried tail -f all the logs to see if it will register anything but
> nothing is written to the files at the time I insert the card.
>
>
> only MMC I can find is in dmesg
>
> [   20.549109] ricoh-mmc: Ricoh MMC Controller disabling driver
> [   20.549112] ricoh-mmc: Copyright(c) Philip Langdale
> [   20.549150] ricoh-mmc: Ricoh MMC controller found at 0000:15:00.3
> [1180:0843] (rev 11)
> [   20.549167] ricoh-mmc: Controller is now disabled.
>
> not sure if its of any value

What is the output of "lspci"?

I did find this interesting post:
http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/10/1/375

And this old bug:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/111089

And other bugs that mention it:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=ricoh-mmc&orderby=-datecreated


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Mon Aug  4 13:03:26 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:03:26 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] e2fsck - What to do?
In-Reply-To: <200808032207.28602.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
References: <200808032207.28602.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90808041003o7c1b6688l2ea6669f4e8a4ae2@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Stan Green <Stan at mcomputersolutions.com> wrote:
> First a little background:
>
> I was copying data over NFS when the target computer locked up. I had to
> hard-boot it to get it back.

I would try to figure out why it failed in the first place.  Check
memory with memtest86, make sure fans are working and CPU isn't
overheating, look for loose cables, blow out the dirt.


From otakurider at gmail.com  Mon Aug  4 15:01:50 2008
From: otakurider at gmail.com (-)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:01:50 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Lenovo T61p MMC/SD card Ubuntu 8.04
In-Reply-To: <1217846680.4410.2.camel@peter-notebook.site>
References: <cd5131a50808031122n4a6e8faao57879b116894420@mail.gmail.com>
	<1217846680.4410.2.camel@peter-notebook.site>
Message-ID: <cd5131a50808041201k7f61f79ahda45e99a0cbe2e7b@mail.gmail.com>

Thank all for the help - I found the problem - its the Canon card that is
not supported - tryed a pna ant it worked great - still had to manually
mount the card but thats fie with me


Thanks again all

Pat.



On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 6:44 AM, Peter Bart <peter at petertheplumber.net>
wrote:

>
> On Sun, 2008-08-03 at 14:22 -0400, - wrote:
> > I am trying to get a Canon MMC 32Meg card working on a Lenovo T61p with
> > Ubuntu 8.04 - The light will flash for 2 blinks when I insert the card
> then
> > stop - nothing I can see in syslog, Dmesg or messages files in /var/log.
>   I
> > have tried tail -f all the logs to see if it will register anything but
> > nothing is written to the files at the time I insert the card.
> >
> >
> > only MMC I can find is in dmesg
> >
> > [   20.549109] ricoh-mmc: Ricoh MMC Controller disabling driver
> > [   20.549112] ricoh-mmc: Copyright(c) Philip Langdale
> > [   20.549150] ricoh-mmc: Ricoh MMC controller found at 0000:15:00.3
> > [1180:0843] (rev 11)
> > [   20.549167] ricoh-mmc: Controller is now disabled.
> >
> > not sure if its of any value
> >
>
> Pat,
>        I have a T61 with a card reader and have never been able to access
> my
> RS-MMC cards, of which I have several. I think it's somewhere in the
> spec that the reader itself does not support MMC? FWIW.
>
> Best Regards,
> --
> Peter Bart <peter at petertheplumber.net>
> http://petertheplumber.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
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>


From otakurider at gmail.com  Mon Aug  4 15:07:23 2008
From: otakurider at gmail.com (-)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:07:23 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Ghost a linux partition
Message-ID: <cd5131a50808041207p4d70e00ap5b5e5baf52198694@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone use windows version of ghost to image a linux partition?  I am
running Redhat V3 Enterprise- mirrored  HDD - the place I will be doing it
at is a real windows heavy so they will be wanting to use the windows
version of Ghost if it works.


Thanks

Pat


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Mon Aug  4 15:13:37 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:13:37 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Ghost a linux partition
In-Reply-To: <cd5131a50808041207p4d70e00ap5b5e5baf52198694@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cd5131a50808041207p4d70e00ap5b5e5baf52198694@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90808041213q31eb79b8x6b51351a0ad57925@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 3:07 PM, - <otakurider at gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone use windows version of ghost to image a linux partition?  I am
> running Redhat V3 Enterprise- mirrored  HDD - the place I will be doing it
> at is a real windows heavy so they will be wanting to use the windows
> version of Ghost if it works.

Ghost works at drive level so it can image anything.  With a known
file system it can save space by only imaging used sectors and be able
to resize it.  It supports ext3.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_software


From robert.citek at gmail.com  Mon Aug  4 15:48:22 2008
From: robert.citek at gmail.com (Robert Citek)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:48:22 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Lenovo T61p MMC/SD card Ubuntu 8.04
In-Reply-To: <cd5131a50808041201k7f61f79ahda45e99a0cbe2e7b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cd5131a50808031122n4a6e8faao57879b116894420@mail.gmail.com>
	<1217846680.4410.2.camel@peter-notebook.site>
	<cd5131a50808041201k7f61f79ahda45e99a0cbe2e7b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4145b6790808041248q2bb7bd03qf7a72f79837df7e4@mail.gmail.com>

A solution I use is this multi-card reader/writer from Sony:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3516755&CatId=2825

Makes my various cards look like a USB storage device.

Regards,
- Robert

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:01 PM, - <otakurider at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank all for the help - I found the problem - its the Canon card that is
> not supported - tryed a pna ant it worked great - still had to manually
> mount the card but thats fie with me


From peter at petertheplumber.net  Mon Aug  4 19:46:28 2008
From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:46:28 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Lenovo T61p MMC/SD card Ubuntu 8.04
In-Reply-To: <cd5131a50808041201k7f61f79ahda45e99a0cbe2e7b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cd5131a50808031122n4a6e8faao57879b116894420@mail.gmail.com>
	<1217846680.4410.2.camel@peter-notebook.site>
	<cd5131a50808041201k7f61f79ahda45e99a0cbe2e7b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1217893588.4410.8.camel@peter-notebook.site>


On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 15:01 -0400, - wrote:
> Thank all for the help - I found the problem - its the Canon card that is
> not supported - tryed a pna ant it worked great - still had to manually
> mount the card but thats fie with me
> 
> Thanks again all
> 
> Pat.

	Interesting, I never thought to try that!
-- 
Peter Bart <peter at petertheplumber.net>
http://petertheplumber.net



From audiotech50 at gmail.com  Tue Aug  5 13:50:04 2008
From: audiotech50 at gmail.com (Michael Rudas)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 13:50:04 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] e2fsck - What to do?
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e90808041003o7c1b6688l2ea6669f4e8a4ae2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200808032207.28602.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
	<b02c40e90808041003o7c1b6688l2ea6669f4e8a4ae2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b67fb0380808051050kdffd24n8b8a280460d5d4cc@mail.gmail.com>

--- Jeff Hanson wrote:

> --- Stan Green wrote:
>> I was copying data over NFS when the target computer locked up.
>> I had to hard-boot it to get it back.

> I would try to figure out why it failed in the first place.  Check
> memory with memtest86, make sure fans are working and CPU isn't
> overheating, look for loose cables, blow out the dirt.

Even MORE likely these days are bad electrolytic capacitors, leading
to CPU lock-ups or power supply failure -- especially if the unit is
more than a couple of years old.  Look around the CPU socket and open
the power supply (ignore the warnings, just leave it unplugged for 15
minutes or more) and look for these:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_Plague>
They are usually pretty easy to spot, even to the untrained eye.

~~ Mikey


From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Tue Aug  5 14:08:46 2008
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:08:46 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] OT: Anyone have some PC2100 RAM laying around?
Message-ID: <319C03F7A120754B9128CF308BF5E0370120B114@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

I've got a machine that'd be just about perfect for my niece, except it
only has 128MB RAM. Does anyone have some PC2100 DIMMS they don't need?
Thanks...

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                               (313) 227-2317

 "When only multibillion-dollar corporations can afford to hire the army
    of lawyers and CPAs required to comply with the tax laws, the only
 legal businesses will be multibillion-dollar corporations." - Tackhead
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From Stan at mcomputersolutions.com  Tue Aug  5 21:02:05 2008
From: Stan at mcomputersolutions.com (Stan Green)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:02:05 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] e2fsck - What to do?
In-Reply-To: <b67fb0380808051050kdffd24n8b8a280460d5d4cc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200808032207.28602.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
	<b02c40e90808041003o7c1b6688l2ea6669f4e8a4ae2@mail.gmail.com>
	<b67fb0380808051050kdffd24n8b8a280460d5d4cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200808052102.05694.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>

On Tuesday 05 August 2008 13:50, Michael Rudas wrote:
> --- Jeff Hanson wrote:
> > --- Stan Green wrote:
> >> I was copying data over NFS when the target computer locked up.
> >> I had to hard-boot it to get it back.
> >
> > I would try to figure out why it failed in the first place.  Check
> > memory with memtest86, make sure fans are working and CPU isn't
> > overheating, look for loose cables, blow out the dirt.
>
> Even MORE likely these days are bad electrolytic capacitors, leading
> to CPU lock-ups or power supply failure -- especially if the unit is
> more than a couple of years old.  Look around the CPU socket and open
> the power supply (ignore the warnings, just leave it unplugged for 15
> minutes or more) and look for these:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_Plague>
> They are usually pretty easy to spot, even to the untrained eye.

The lockups started when I put in a Promise SATA300 TX4 controller. (Also put 
in a new 650W power supply at the same time as the old one would not spin up 
the three new hard drives.) I did not see any expanded caps when I had the 
box open. I think the issue with lockups is the SATA card. I plan to remove 
it in the near future and see if the system gets "better". 

Promise only certifies there driver for SuSE 9.1 and I am running 10.1. This 
may be the issue. I have not been able to compile the driver from source, but 
have not had the time to try real hard.

Stan


From Stan at mcomputersolutions.com  Tue Aug  5 21:05:41 2008
From: Stan at mcomputersolutions.com (Stan Green)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:05:41 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] e2fsck - What to do?
In-Reply-To: <20080804133721.A083613EC08@starfox.local>
References: <200808032207.28602.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>
	<20080804133721.A083613EC08@starfox.local>
Message-ID: <200808052105.42012.Stan@mcomputersolutions.com>

Bob,

Thanks for the extensive write up. I like the idea of working on a copy so 
if/when I mess it up, I can go back and start over. I first need to configure 
things so I have enough free space to make a copy. Once I have that, I can 
get started.

Thanks,
Stan
On Monday 04 August 2008 09:37, Robert Meier wrote:
> Stan,
>
> > The question is am I on the right track [blindly accepting e2fsck
> > recommendations] to recover this drive and if so what
> > should I answer to the last question.
>
> [Read below regarding answers before continuing totally blind.]
>
> I think you are on the right track.
> The bitmap is a cache,
> and the error is reporting a mismatch between the actual inode state,
> and its cached state.
>
> Relocating (duplicating probably deleted data)
> is the safer course of action.
> The risk is that something (e.g. a bad sector) prevented updating an
> actual inode involved in system configuration, and that after relocation
> the bad dupe is used.
> Responding, as you are, to the first report of fsck error,
> the worst I've personally encountered,
> after accepting all of fsck's normal recommendations,
> is to find the actual files (or recently-changed portions) in lost+found/ ,
> and the requirement to reconnect the actual files.
>
> I've seen others continue to use a disk with fsck errors,
> soon find the frequency of errors growing,
> and (by the time I was involved) suffer permanent data loss.
>
> > (I don't want SEVERE DATA LOSS!) I was answering No,
> > but quit after about 40 sets of messages.
>
> If the data is valuable enough, I suggest you get a spare disk drive,
> create a partition of the same size, dd(1) the contents of the
> suspect disk to the copy partition on the spare drive, and recover the
> copy. If the outcome is not desirable, you can repeat the process (with
> answers varied according to why the outcome was not desirable).
>
> > Lastly, is there any way to automate this so I don't have to sit
> > an hit Y 1500 times?
>
> fsck -n > file-on-other-disk.fsck
> e2fsck will report to a file, so that you can examine it more
> systematically.
>
> fsck -y
>
> e2fsck (and fsck in general) nominally separates operations into
> those considered safe, and performed automatically with -y,
> and those considered unsafe, and performed only with approval or -p.
>
> > Inode bitmap for group 0 is not in group.  (block 772925346)
> > Relocate<y>? yes
>
> This indicates that fsck thinks this is a safe operation
> (i.e. the data may end up in /lost+found,
>  but should not be immediately lost.)
>
> > Inode table for group 0 is not in group.  (block 1931314432)
> > WARNING: SEVERE DATA LOSS POSSIBLE.
> > Relocate<y>?
>
> This indicates that fsck thinks this is a risky operation
> (i.e. data may be immediately lost).
> My practice is to always answer n, during the first pass,
> and if it repeats (less than 10%), do further research
> (e.g. find the data referenced by block 1931314432).
>
>
>
> The value of hitting Y 1500 times, is that you can record the inode
> numbers, which usually map linearly to the offset within the data
> image, thereby usually identifying the files at risk and where
> the lost data might be.
>
> Despite the tedium (and need to rediscover the linear map each time)
> I've found it worth recording (esp. if fsck -n was supported)
> the inodes each time.
>
> Hopefully helpful,


From mdlug at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug  7 09:02:29 2008
From: mdlug at sbcglobal.net (Dean Durant)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:02:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] OT: free old workstations
Message-ID: <956650.5812.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello all, my company has a bunch of old workstations, HP, IBM, and SGI, and some old sun servers.  All free for the asking.  Only requirement is, come get one, and don't throw it away.  
Some of the HPs have up to 4 GB ram.  C3000s, c3600s, and some C3750s.
And some scsi disks for the HPs.  

Location is Auburn Hills.  Squirrel and Auburn.  Part way to Opdyke


From lberns1 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  7 09:21:13 2008
From: lberns1 at yahoo.com (E. Dean Sahutske)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:21:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] OT: free old workstations
Message-ID: <913268.34291.qm@web54503.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

That's right down the street from me.  What's the exact locale?

 E. Dean Sahutske
http://www.jazzstageproductions.com
http://www.jazzstage.us
http://www.lberns.com




----- Original Message ----
From: Dean Durant <mdlug at sbcglobal.net>
To: md lug <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 9:02:29 AM
Subject: [mdlug] OT: free old workstations

Hello all, my company has a bunch of old workstations, HP, IBM, and SGI, and some old sun servers.  All free for the asking.  Only requirement is, come get one, and don't throw it away.  
Some of the HPs have up to 4 GB ram.  C3000s, c3600s, and some C3750s.
And some scsi disks for the HPs.  

Location is Auburn Hills.  Squirrel and Auburn.  Part way to Opdyke
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From tesral at comcast.net  Thu Aug  7 09:36:00 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:36:00 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] OT: free old workstations
In-Reply-To: <956650.5812.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <956650.5812.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <489AFA40.7060307@comcast.net>

Dean Durant wrote:
> Hello all, my company has a bunch of old workstations, HP, IBM, and SGI, and some old sun servers.  All free for the asking.  Only requirement is, come get one, and don't throw it away.  
> Some of the HPs have up to 4 GB ram.  C3000s, c3600s, and some C3750s.
> And some scsi disks for the HPs.  
>
> Location is Auburn Hills.  Squirrel and Auburn.  Part way to Opdyke
>   

I'll be out that way tomorrow on normal business.  If anyone wants one 
(or two I have limited room) I'll pick up one or two.  I am swallowing 
hard and NOT getting one.  I have enough machines now.

Delivery at the MDLUG meeting Saturday.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From tesral at comcast.net  Thu Aug  7 09:40:27 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:40:27 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Late reminder
Message-ID: <489AFB4B.30503@comcast.net>

DCG meeting at myplace tonight.  7:00

Be there or be ... elsewhere.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From mdlug at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug  7 09:48:48 2008
From: mdlug at sbcglobal.net (Dean Durant)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 06:48:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] OT: free old workstations
In-Reply-To: <913268.34291.qm@web54503.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <511314.47867.qm@web81806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

275 Rex Blvd.    about 1/2 way between squirrel and opdyke, just before 1-75, back up against the woods.   I'm at home now, but I'll be in later.

You can email me at dean.durant at edag-us.com if you want.  

"E. Dean Sahutske" <lberns1 at yahoo.com> wrote: That's right down the street from me.  What's the exact locale?

 E. Dean Sahutske
http://www.jazzstageproductions.com
http://www.jazzstage.us
http://www.lberns.com




----- Original Message ----
From: Dean Durant 
To: md lug 
Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 9:02:29 AM
Subject: [mdlug] OT: free old workstations

Hello all, my company has a bunch of old workstations, HP, IBM, and SGI, and some old sun servers.  All free for the asking.  Only requirement is, come get one, and don't throw it away.  
Some of the HPs have up to 4 GB ram.  C3000s, c3600s, and some C3750s.
And some scsi disks for the HPs.  

Location is Auburn Hills.  Squirrel and Auburn.  Part way to Opdyke
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From mdlug at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug  7 14:19:58 2008
From: mdlug at sbcglobal.net (Dean Durant)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:19:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] please do *not* show up unannounced
Message-ID: <524769.92448.qm@web81808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello, someone apparently showed up where I work wanting to take a computer.   I was not here.   I was at the dentist.   After the dentist, I went out to lunch.   I didn't show up at work until 1:30.    I don't want people coming during the day anyway.    
   
  I was completely blindsided and it didn't look good.   I will contact people individually who have contacted me.    Tonight could actually be good because I expect to be here late, but not too late.   Tomorrow might be good too.   Tomorrow *evening*. 
   
  People also need to understand about the "do not landfill" requirement.   At least, if you get something, keep it for a few years, and maybe try to recycle it.   I know, this is difficult.    But this is part of what my boss wants to do with them.   Reuse, yes.   But also recycle.    


From gib at juno.com  Thu Aug  7 14:25:18 2008
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:25:18 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Positions - Wash D.C. - Ajilon
Message-ID: <20080807.142518.18895.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>

 
This position announcement is from the Senior Vice President of Ajion. A large IT consulting and placement company.

---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Hi Gibson

Per our discussion at the cruise about MDLUG,  I am forwarding the following opportunity.  These are Permanent positions in the Wash DC area.  If you know anyone that might be interested, please have them contact me.


Linux Developer Perm
REQUIRED YEARS OF RELEVANT EXPERIENCE:  
???SENIOR:  8-10 YEARS OF RELEVANT EXPERIENCE

REQUIRED YEARS OF INDUSTRY EXPERIENCE:
???SENIOR:  15-20 YEARS OF INDUSTRY EXPERIENCE

SALARY RANGE:
???SENIOR:  $110-$130K


Position:  (Use Red)Senior Linux Developer

Clearance:No active clearance required, but must be US Citizen and clearable (no criminal background)
Salary & years experience:Wide range, looking to hire 4 or 5 people up to senior level

Brief job description: (what is exciting about this contract and/or position?)
The work is really prototypes and proof of concepts in some advanced topics dealing with HAP administration, Identification and Authentication, Key Management, Provisioning, and Utility Virtual Machines.   The initial work will require 4-5 people and it needs to get started as soon as possible.  Work can be done anywhere.
Education, Certifications:  BS or equivalent degree, preferably in computer related field
Specific skills/ required:   
- Linux application development *
- Linux kernel/driver experience
- C/C++ *
- Software integration experience *
- Familiar with ClearCase and ClearQuest
- Familiar with formal process (SEI) *
- Team oriented, personally driven *
- Individual contributors *
Skills preferred:
- Familiar with Security Enhanced LINUX 


Substitute skill:
(Even if not directly applicable to this project, a skill to help us identify people who might be right for the position.)



Can you hire immediately and have the person start in two weeks?  2 ??? 4 wks
Is there a customer interview? No
Work Hours: Day hrs, not shift

Travel: rare, but Possible
Tom McKenty 
(From Blackberry)

____________________________________________________________
Click to lower your debt and consolidate your monthly expenses.
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iifR9fp5ygiw0XmuYVXAQMxgN12mgeLxOqnYrAo1KMZ7EGHgI/


From gib at juno.com  Thu Aug  7 14:49:27 2008
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:49:27 GMT
Subject: [mdlug]  Late reminder
Message-ID: <20080807.144927.18895.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>

 
Remind me of the address again.  Are we getting pizza again?

-- Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net> wrote:
DCG meeting at myplace tonight.  7:00

Be there or be ... elsewhere.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org

_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug

____________________________________________________________
Hit it out of the park with a new bat. Click now!
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iigU6JwZISmnWQfCEuZVxHOh9utvtJFyasGdz4nSVd99ykIfS/


From drew4096 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  7 15:51:39 2008
From: drew4096 at gmail.com (Drew)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:51:39 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] OT: free old workstations
In-Reply-To: <956650.5812.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <956650.5812.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20080807154957.02a98750@pop.gmail.com>

What type of memory do the 4GB HPs have? If it's DDR (not DDR2) and 
in 512MB or larger chips, I would like one.

----

- Drew.



From micorral at comcast.net  Thu Aug  7 15:19:26 2008
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:19:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] OT: free old workstations
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20080807154957.02a98750@pop.gmail.com>
References: <956650.5812.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<6.2.3.4.0.20080807154957.02a98750@pop.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808071517030.5464@banana.sluggo.net>

2008-08-07, Monsieur Drew a ecrit:
> What type of memory do the 4GB HPs have? If it's DDR (not DDR2) and
> in 512MB or larger chips, I would like one.

Wrong kind of HP 'workstation'. ;)
These are PA-RISC boxes, not x86. They use SDRAM (EDO, as I recall).

Michael


From micorral at comcast.net  Thu Aug  7 15:24:37 2008
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:24:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] OT: free old workstations
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808071517030.5464@banana.sluggo.net>
References: <956650.5812.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<6.2.3.4.0.20080807154957.02a98750@pop.gmail.com>
	<alpine.LFD.1.10.0808071517030.5464@banana.sluggo.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808071523410.5601@banana.sluggo.net>

2008-08-07, Monsieur Michael Corral a ecrit:
> 2008-08-07, Monsieur Drew a ecrit:
>> What type of memory do the 4GB HPs have? If it's DDR (not DDR2) and
>> in 512MB or larger chips, I would like one.
>
> Wrong kind of HP 'workstation'. ;)
> These are PA-RISC boxes, not x86. They use SDRAM (EDO, as I recall).
                                              ^^^^^
That should be "SDRAM DIMM".

Michael


From tesral at comcast.net  Thu Aug  7 15:42:32 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:42:32 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Late reminder
In-Reply-To: <20080807.144927.18895.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20080807.144927.18895.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <489B5028.2000005@comcast.net>

gib at juno.com wrote:
>  
> Remind me of the address again.  Are we getting pizza again?
>   

6940 Mead.  Pizza could well happen.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From rrclark at rrclark.net  Thu Aug  7 16:20:37 2008
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (Rich Clark)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:20:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] OT: free old workstations
In-Reply-To: <956650.5812.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <956650.5812.qm@web81805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <39466.24.192.174.7.1218140437.squirrel@www.rrclark.net>

Will you be around on Friday after 4 pm? I think I remember that you live
out near Campbell/Hilton & I75. If you won't be at work, mind if I pick
one up if you wouldn't mind bringing it home?

R

On Thu, August 7, 2008 9:02 am, Dean Durant wrote:
> Hello all, my company has a bunch of old workstations, HP, IBM, and SGI,
> and some old sun servers.  All free for the asking.  Only requirement is,
> come get one, and don't throw it away.
> Some of the HPs have up to 4 GB ram.  C3000s, c3600s, and some C3750s.
> And some scsi disks for the HPs.
>
> Location is Auburn Hills.  Squirrel and Auburn.  Part way to Opdyke
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>




From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Fri Aug  8 15:36:36 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:36:36 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Ohio LinuxFest 2008 plans
Message-ID: <b02c40e90808081236s70158b97he79d4fcc0eb4b320@mail.gmail.com>

(cross-posting to the big three Detroit-area LUGs and Ubuntu LoCo)

It's being held Oct 10-11 in Columbus:  http://ohiolinux.org

It was good last year but some last-minute speaker cancellations
annoyed one of the guys I was with.  I helped out at the FSF booth and
skipped some presentations I would have seen otherwise.

There are three admission levels - free, $65 supporting, and $350
professional.  The first two are both for Saturday while the
professional includes the Friday LOPSA sys admin training classes.

Since it's about 200-250 miles from the Detroit area it's reasonable
to car pool and drive there, splitting gas and hotel costs.

I'm not interested in the admin classes on Friday.  I would prefer to
stay overnight Friday and Saturday.  I don't want to try getting up at
3am to arrive at the convention center by the 8:30am opening time nor
drive back to Detroit early am Sunday (which I did a couple of years
ago.)  There is usually a reception and some parties Friday night and
of course the big one Saturday night.  TLLTS (http://tllts.org) hosted
another party Friday at Barley's Brewing Co.
(http://www.barleysbrewing.com) across the street from the convention
center last year.

Last year I stayed in the Drury which is attached to the convention
center and convenient but it's also expensive.  The year before I
stayed at a Days Inn Columbus North which was a lot cheaper.  It was a
little run-down but I didn't hear any gun battles:
http://www.daysinncolumbus.com/hotelhome/

I'm willing to share a room but it has to be non-smoking as I have
allergies.  I don't know if I'll be working in Detroit that week or be
driving straight down from the Alpena area but I'll be leaving from
Redford regardless.  I can drive my car which seats 4-5 total but it's
getting old and is not the most comfortable for passengers on long
drives.  If we can get enough people maybe we can fill a van and save
more gas.

There are some restaurants in the convention center and more around
it.  Since it's October the vendors at the show will be handing out a
ridiculous amount of Halloween candy on top of all the other swag.
Google had a room full of free T-shirts.  You also get a LinuxFest
T-shirt with the $65 optional "supporting" admission.


From driveray at ameritech.net  Fri Aug  8 17:29:09 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:29:09 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Meeting tomorrow 8-9
Message-ID: <489CBAA5.1090109@ameritech.net>

MDLUGers:
MDLUG monthly meeting Tomorrow, Saturday August 9, 12:30 PM at the usual 
place: <http://mdlug.org/meetings/meetings.html>. Mary Tomich will be 
giving a presentation on GRUB: the GRand Unified Boot-loader. Time 
permitting Mat Enders will tell us about Billix - "The Sys-Admin's Swiss 
Army Knife" Bootable Thumb Drive.

Please notice that our club calender embedded in the meetings page, set 
up by VP Pat Baker and courtesy of Google. I hope to see you all there.

Raymond McLaughlin
President MDLUG


From mdlug at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug  8 19:02:10 2008
From: mdlug at sbcglobal.net (Dean Durant)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:02:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] OT: free old workstations
In-Reply-To: <39466.24.192.174.7.1218140437.squirrel@www.rrclark.net>
Message-ID: <191990.22145.qm@web81802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey Rich, I just got this.  Yes, you got where I live.   I didn't bring any home.   But you can for sure have 1st pick.  There's going to be a Saturday when I am there.  If I remember, I can grab something for you.   What do you want?

Rich Clark <rrclark at rrclark.net> wrote: Will you be around on Friday after 4 pm? I think I remember that you live
out near Campbell/Hilton & I75. If you won't be at work, mind if I pick
one up if you wouldn't mind bringing it home?

R

On Thu, August 7, 2008 9:02 am, Dean Durant wrote:
> Hello all, my company has a bunch of old workstations, HP, IBM, and SGI,
> and some old sun servers.  All free for the asking.  Only requirement is,
> come get one, and don't throw it away.
> Some of the HPs have up to 4 GB ram.  C3000s, c3600s, and some C3750s.
> And some scsi disks for the HPs.
>
> Location is Auburn Hills.  Squirrel and Auburn.  Part way to Opdyke
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>


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From tesral at comcast.net  Sat Aug  9 13:22:40 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (tesral at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:22:40 +0000
Subject: [mdlug] distros
Message-ID: <080920081722.27105.489DD260000C414F000069E12206824693040E9D9C0A9B@comcast.net>

The Club Distro burner is tested and I need DISTROS!!!

So far I have in 32 and 64 bit versions

openSUSE 11. 
Unbuntu Hardy Heron
Debian Stable

Other suggestion and URLs welcome


From rkannan at peoplepc.com  Sat Aug  9 14:27:55 2008
From: rkannan at peoplepc.com (R. Kannan)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 14:27:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Myth TV losing channels/ tuning to the wrong channel.
Message-ID: <4027563.1218306476200.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hello,

I have an annoying problem with MythTV. Once a week or so, it loses some of the channels and when I try tuning to some channels, it tunes to adjacent ATSC channel (say, 7-1 instead of 4-1). The only fix I have is to abort the the mythbackend, fire up mythtv-setup, delete all the channels and rescan for channels again. BTW, the hardware I am using is Hd-Homerun network tuner. Does anyone experienced anything like this?

Thanks for any pointers,

Raj K.

________________________________________
PeoplePC Online
A better way to Internet
http://www.peoplepc.com


From rrclark at rrclark.net  Sat Aug  9 14:40:28 2008
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (Rich Clark)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 14:40:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] OT: free old workstations
In-Reply-To: <191990.22145.qm@web81802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <191990.22145.qm@web81802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <35273.24.192.174.7.1218307228.squirrel@www.rrclark.net>

Can I get one of the HP servers with a couple matched SCSI disks to go
with him? Would make a nice little mail/web server, I'm certain.

Thanks Dean! Oh, might be best to give me a call when you bring it home, I
can come by in the evening and snag it from you.

586 524 3019

R

On Fri, August 8, 2008 7:02 pm, Dean Durant wrote:
> Hey Rich, I just got this.  Yes, you got where I live.   I didn't bring
> any home.   But you can for sure have 1st pick.  There's going to be a
> Saturday when I am there.  If I remember, I can grab something for you.
> What do you want?
>
> Rich Clark <rrclark at rrclark.net> wrote: Will you be around on Friday after
> 4 pm? I think I remember that you live
> out near Campbell/Hilton & I75. If you won't be at work, mind if I pick
> one up if you wouldn't mind bringing it home?
>
> R
>
> On Thu, August 7, 2008 9:02 am, Dean Durant wrote:
>> Hello all, my company has a bunch of old workstations, HP, IBM, and SGI,
>> and some old sun servers.  All free for the asking.  Only requirement
>> is,
>> come get one, and don't throw it away.
>> Some of the HPs have up to 4 GB ram.  C3000s, c3600s, and some C3750s.
>> And some scsi disks for the HPs.
>>
>> Location is Auburn Hills.  Squirrel and Auburn.  Part way to Opdyke
>> _______________________________________________
>> mdlug mailing list
>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>




From carl at carltm.com  Sat Aug  9 16:03:55 2008
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 16:03:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] distros
In-Reply-To: <080920081722.27105.489DD260000C414F000069E12206824693040E9D9C0A9B@com
	cast.net>
References: <080920081722.27105.489DD260000C414F000069E12206824693040E9D9C0A9B@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <32823.216.144.203.250.1218312235.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

tesral at comcast.net wrote:
> The Club Distro burner is tested and I need DISTROS!!!

May I suggest CentOS, the CentOS live cd and Knoppix?

c




From carl at carltm.com  Sat Aug  9 16:05:54 2008
From: carl at carltm.com (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 16:05:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Meeting tomorrow 8-9
In-Reply-To: <489CBAA5.1090109@ameritech.net>
References: <489CBAA5.1090109@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <32827.216.144.203.250.1218312354.squirrel@www.carltm.com>

Raymond McLaughlin wrote:
> MDLUG monthly meeting Tomorrow, Saturday August 9, 12:30 PM at the usual
> place: <http://mdlug.org/meetings/meetings.html>. Mary Tomich will be
> giving a presentation on GRUB: the GRand Unified Boot-loader. Time
> permitting Mat Enders will tell us about Billix - "The Sys-Admin's Swiss
> Army Knife" Bootable Thumb Drive.

How was the meeting?  I had planned to be there but
wasn't able to at the last minute.

c




From micorral at comcast.net  Sat Aug  9 17:39:11 2008
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 17:39:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] distros
In-Reply-To: <080920081722.27105.489DD260000C414F000069E12206824693040E9D9C0A9B@comcast.net>
References: <080920081722.27105.489DD260000C414F000069E12206824693040E9D9C0A9B@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808091735320.2184@banana.sluggo.net>

2008-08-09, Monsieur tesral at comcast.net a ecrit:
> The Club Distro burner is tested and I need DISTROS!!!
>
> So far I have in 32 and 64 bit versions
>
> openSUSE 11.
> Unbuntu Hardy Heron
> Debian Stable
>
> Other suggestion and URLs welcome

Fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora

Slackware: http://slackware.com/getslack/list.php?country=USA

Slamd64: http://www.slamd64.com/index.php?page=getslamd64

Michael
http://home.comcast.net/~micorral/


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Sat Aug  9 19:48:41 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 19:48:41 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] distros
In-Reply-To: <080920081722.27105.489DD260000C414F000069E12206824693040E9D9C0A9B@comcast.net>
References: <080920081722.27105.489DD260000C414F000069E12206824693040E9D9C0A9B@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90808091648l4c0eba75q8f1314ad8c83648e@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 1:22 PM,  <tesral at comcast.net> wrote:
> The Club Distro burner is tested and I need DISTROS!!!
>
> So far I have in 32 and 64 bit versions
>
> openSUSE 11.
> Unbuntu Hardy Heron
> Debian Stable
>
> Other suggestion and URLs welcome

ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/puppylinux/puppy-4.00-k2.6.21.7-seamonkey.iso

ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/dsl-4.4.3.iso
ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/dsl-4.4.3.iso.md5.txt

http://www.delilinux.org/wiki/doku.php?id=download

http://mandriva.com/en/download/free

http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/


From tesral at comcast.net  Sat Aug  9 22:33:46 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:33:46 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] distros
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e90808091648l4c0eba75q8f1314ad8c83648e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <080920081722.27105.489DD260000C414F000069E12206824693040E9D9C0A9B@comcast.net>
	<b02c40e90808091648l4c0eba75q8f1314ad8c83648e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <489E538A.3050000@comcast.net>

Those selections will keep my cat5 hot for a while.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From driveray at ameritech.net  Sun Aug 10 12:04:32 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:04:32 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Ohio LinuxFest 2008 Call for Presentations
Message-ID: <489F1190.7060606@ameritech.net>

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 00:26:48 -0400
> From: Scott Merrill <skippy at skippy.net>
> To: jjn at nuge.com
> Subject: Ohio LinuxFest 2008 Call for Presentations
> 
> Aloha, Linux User Group!
> 
> The 2008 Ohio LinuxFest, a free, grassroots conference for the Linux
> and Free Software community, is just around the corner!  Ohio
> LinuxFest 2008 will take place October 10 and 11 in downtown Columbus,
> Ohio.  We are seeking presenters to share their expertise with an
> estimated 1,000 members of the Linux and Free Software community.  The
> Call For Presentations closes August 15!
> 
> Prior presentations have covered basic and advanced systems
> administration, security, community and adovcacy, business management,
> and more.  The Ohio LinuxFest is by users, for users, and would-be
> presenters are encouraged to submit talks focusing on the things about
> which they are passionate.
> 
> As always, the Ohio LinuxFest is completely free for attendees signing
> up for the "Ensthusiast Package".  Those interested in supporting the
> conference may register for the $65 "Supporter Package", which
> provides an Ohio LinuxFest tee shirt, lunch the day of the conference,
> and free drink tickets at Pre- and Post-conference party.  The $350
> "Professional Package" provides access to OLFU, a professional
> training program that takes place the day before the Ohio LinuxFest
> conference.
> 
> For more information, please visit the Ohio LinuxFest website at
> http://www.ohiolinux.org/
> --
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> to unsubscribe: `echo "unsubscribe" | mail linux-users-request at lugwash.org`


From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 12 15:20:20 2008
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:20:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] (OT) Home web site and ATT ???
Message-ID: <169575.3139.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm running SUSE on a computer that is defined as the DMZ on an ATT router.? The raw ip address worked but as soon as I linked my .com on register.com to the IP address nothing works.

Does any body have any clue?

David 





      


From tesral at comcast.net  Tue Aug 12 15:49:54 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:49:54 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] (OT) Home web site and ATT ???
In-Reply-To: <169575.3139.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <169575.3139.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48A1E962.6040800@comcast.net>

David Lane wrote:
> I'm running SUSE on a computer that is defined as the DMZ on an ATT router.  The raw ip address worked but as soon as I linked my .com on register.com to the IP address nothing works.
>
> Does any body have any clue?
>   

Utterly without.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From muteid10t at gmail.com  Tue Aug 12 16:10:05 2008
From: muteid10t at gmail.com (Ron Blanchett)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:10:05 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] (OT) Home web site and ATT ???
In-Reply-To: <169575.3139.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <169575.3139.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <52995d720808121310r447a1ac2s5dee8e68a0bb499c@mail.gmail.com>

does it not work from behind the router?

have you tried connecting from outside the router?

could be that the router doesn't support NAT Reflection.

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 3:20 PM, David Lane <dcl400m at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm running SUSE on a computer that is defined as the DMZ on an ATT router.  The raw ip address worked but as soon as I linked my .com on register.com to the IP address nothing works.
>
> Does any body have any clue?
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> mdlug at mdlug.org
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From rrclark at rrclark.net  Tue Aug 12 16:01:36 2008
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (Rich Clark)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:01:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] (OT) Home web site and ATT ???
In-Reply-To: <169575.3139.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <169575.3139.qm@web37905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <35446.24.192.174.7.1218571296.squirrel@www.rrclark.net>

On Tue, August 12, 2008 3:20 pm, David Lane wrote:
> I'm running SUSE on a computer that is defined as the DMZ on an ATT
> router.? The raw ip address worked but as soon as I linked my .com on
> register.com to the IP address nothing works.
>
> Does any body have any clue?

More data would be helpful, like what domain, a listing of your dns config
files, things that might make detecting a simple problem easy.



From danno at umich.edu  Tue Aug 12 17:42:21 2008
From: danno at umich.edu (Dan Pritts)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:42:21 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [mdlug-admin] IEEE 1394a
In-Reply-To: <b67fb0380807162327g2cba6fa9u224dd4bedc669108@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4877F420.8090000@ameritech.net> <487E29F3.9050806@comcast.net>
	<5797.216.144.203.250.1216245807.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<13963.216.144.203.250.1216250090.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<b67fb0380807162327g2cba6fa9u224dd4bedc669108@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080812214221.GB59382@maniac.deathstar.org>

a bit of a late reply here...

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 02:27:55AM -0400, Michael Rudas wrote:
> Actually IEEE-1394*a* is nominally SLOWER than USB 2.0 -- 400 Mbps max
> vs. 480Mbps -- but IEEE-1394*b* has nominally 2x the throughput of the
> "a" version at 800 Mbps.  Real-world results peg 1394a and USB 2.0 as
> about equal; I have not played with the "b" version.

in my experience, 400Mbps firewire is generally faster and definitely
uses less host CPU than USB2, at least under MacOS.   

The reason it never really took off is that apple charged a $1 royalty
on the IP required to make a host adapter or device.   Faced with
USB for free or firewire for a buck, system mfrs. used USB unless
there was a real useful reason for firewire.

the reason it's good for video is because firewire has an "isochronous"
mode, which guarantees a slice of bus bandwidth to a device.  

danno
--
dan pritts
danno at umich.edu
734-929-9770


From micorral at comcast.net  Tue Aug 12 18:47:00 2008
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:47:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] [mdlug-admin] IEEE 1394a
In-Reply-To: <20080812214221.GB59382@maniac.deathstar.org>
References: <4877F420.8090000@ameritech.net> <487E29F3.9050806@comcast.net>
	<5797.216.144.203.250.1216245807.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<13963.216.144.203.250.1216250090.squirrel@www.carltm.com>
	<b67fb0380807162327g2cba6fa9u224dd4bedc669108@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080812214221.GB59382@maniac.deathstar.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808121836100.2255@banana.sluggo.net>

2008-08-12, Monsieur Dan Pritts a ecrit:
> in my experience, 400Mbps firewire is generally faster and definitely
> uses less host CPU than USB2, at least under MacOS.

I've noticed the same under Linux.

For the last couple years I've been using a Firewire external disk
for my backup. But recently I needed to free up a PCI slot on my
mobo (don't ask:) and I made the tough decision to eliminate the
Firewire card. I figured that since I already have built-in USB2
ports I may as well use them. So now my external disk is in a USB2
case. From the backups I've done since then, USB2 is noticeably
slower than Firewire. I'll go back to Firewire if I get the chance.

Michael


From tesral at comcast.net  Tue Aug 12 19:13:56 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:13:56 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] slightly in not great shape printer.
Message-ID: <48A21934.4000208@comcast.net>

Who wants a HP Color LaserJet 5M?  Free to anyone that picks it up.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From muteid10t at gmail.com  Tue Aug 12 19:36:40 2008
From: muteid10t at gmail.com (Ron Blanchett)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:36:40 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] slightly in not great shape printer.
In-Reply-To: <48A21934.4000208@comcast.net>
References: <48A21934.4000208@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <52995d720808121636k4b059d3sa1a4c54a77092555@mail.gmail.com>

Gary,

how would you feal about giving it to Penguicon??
We need a good printer for ops and this would be perfect.

-Ron
Penguicon Webmaster

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net> wrote:
> Who wants a HP Color LaserJet 5M?  Free to anyone that picks it up.
>
> --
> Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.
>
> Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
> Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
> The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
> Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>


From drew4096 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 12 20:47:58 2008
From: drew4096 at gmail.com (Drew)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:47:58 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] slightly in not great shape printer.
In-Reply-To: <52995d720808121636k4b059d3sa1a4c54a77092555@mail.gmail.com
 >
References: <48A21934.4000208@comcast.net>
	<52995d720808121636k4b059d3sa1a4c54a77092555@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20080812204620.02ab2910@pop.gmail.com>

At 07:36 PM 8/12/08, Ron Blanchett wrote:
>Gary,
>
>how would you feal about giving it to Penguicon??
>We need a good printer for ops and this would be perfect.
>
>-Ron
>Penguicon Webmaster
>
>On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net> wrote:
> > Who wants a HP Color LaserJet 5M?  Free to anyone that picks it up.

If for some reason Penguicon decides not to take it, I would like a 
crack at it.

----

- Drew.





From tesral at comcast.net  Tue Aug 12 23:15:54 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:15:54 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] slightly in not great shape printer.
In-Reply-To: <52995d720808121636k4b059d3sa1a4c54a77092555@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48A21934.4000208@comcast.net>
	<52995d720808121636k4b059d3sa1a4c54a77092555@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48A251EA.5000408@comcast.net>

Ron Blanchett wrote:
> Gary,
>
> how would you feal about giving it to Penguicon??
> We need a good printer for ops and this would be perfect.
>   
I'm good with that.  Understand that I am giving it away because it has 
issues.  It's NOT a "great printer" it's a good printer that needs 
tender loving care I no longer feel like giving it.  I'm being honest 
here.  If it worked without issues I would not be getting rid of it.

You also get manuals and what toner I have for it.

It's a beast, it weights a ton (two man job), when can you pick it up?


-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From tesral at comcast.net  Tue Aug 12 23:16:49 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:16:49 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] slightly in not great shape printer.
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20080812204620.02ab2910@pop.gmail.com>
References: <48A21934.4000208@comcast.net>	<52995d720808121636k4b059d3sa1a4c54a77092555@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.2.3.4.0.20080812204620.02ab2910@pop.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48A25221.7030004@comcast.net>

Drew wrote:
> If for some reason Penguicon decides not to take it, I would like a 
> crack at it.
>   

Read above post, it they don't take it it is yours for the getting. 

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Wed Aug 13 13:23:41 2008
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:23:41 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] OT: Home Network Wiring ?
Message-ID: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB1D@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>

I figured that there is more than enough brain power in this list to
help me out with this networking set up.  I have one of the Leviton
central home data/comm wiring setups.  In each room, I have a dual RJ-45
jack.  The orange and blue pair are tied to the top jack, and the brown
and green are tied to the bottom.  In the garage is a punch down block
with 9 slots on it, labeled 0 - 8.  Looking at the board itself, it
looks like the paths simply tie each wire together, ie there is a trace
running from wire 1 from slot 0 all the way down to slot 8.  How can I
wire my cable modem into this to get phone and teh internets in each
room?  Is that even possible from what I've described?

My original thought was that I could run a piece of cat5 from the cable
modem to block 0 on the board, which I presume to be an input and punch
in the orange and blue pair.  Since our phone is tied through the cable
modem as well, I was going to then punch in a phone cable from the phone
jack on the cable modem into the remaining slots.

Anyone have any ideas on this?  I can clarify on any points that are
unclear.

Thanks!

Greg


From muteid10t at gmail.com  Wed Aug 13 13:39:34 2008
From: muteid10t at gmail.com (Ron Blanchett)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:39:34 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] OT: Home Network Wiring ?
In-Reply-To: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB1D@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
References: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB1D@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
Message-ID: <52995d720808131039u25259ec4r9acce7cfffc8c941@mail.gmail.com>

Greg,

I have that same box in my house and the punch board in your box is
for phone only.
Leviton does make an Ethernet Punch board ($25.00).
I would suggest going to your local Home Depot and looking for one.
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100062860&N=10000003+90072

Then rewire the bottom jacks in all your rooms to the ethernet board
with at least cat5e cable.
I am getting ready to do this in my home sometime in the next 6 months
(winter project list).

-Ron


On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Wojtak, Greg
<GregWojtak at quickenloans.com> wrote:
> I figured that there is more than enough brain power in this list to
> help me out with this networking set up.  I have one of the Leviton
> central home data/comm wiring setups.  In each room, I have a dual RJ-45
> jack.  The orange and blue pair are tied to the top jack, and the brown
> and green are tied to the bottom.  In the garage is a punch down block
> with 9 slots on it, labeled 0 - 8.  Looking at the board itself, it
> looks like the paths simply tie each wire together, ie there is a trace
> running from wire 1 from slot 0 all the way down to slot 8.  How can I
> wire my cable modem into this to get phone and teh internets in each
> room?  Is that even possible from what I've described?
>
> My original thought was that I could run a piece of cat5 from the cable
> modem to block 0 on the board, which I presume to be an input and punch
> in the orange and blue pair.  Since our phone is tied through the cable
> modem as well, I was going to then punch in a phone cable from the phone
> jack on the cable modem into the remaining slots.
>
> Anyone have any ideas on this?  I can clarify on any points that are
> unclear.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Greg
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>



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slowly, and lie about your age."


From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Wed Aug 13 14:08:56 2008
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:08:56 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] OT: Home Network Wiring ?
In-Reply-To: <52995d720808131039u25259ec4r9acce7cfffc8c941@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB1D@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
	<52995d720808131039u25259ec4r9acce7cfffc8c941@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB2E@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>

So the way it sounds now is that this is for phone only?  Not sure how
to run the cable now - I'm on a slab, otherwise I would just sloppily
duct tape it to the rafters in the basement.  :D  Any suggestions how to
run the cable in such a scenario?

-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf
Of Ron Blanchett
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:40 PM
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: Re: [mdlug] OT: Home Network Wiring ?

Greg,

I have that same box in my house and the punch board in your box is
for phone only.
Leviton does make an Ethernet Punch board ($25.00).
I would suggest going to your local Home Depot and looking for one.
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeI
d=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100062860&N=10000003+90072

Then rewire the bottom jacks in all your rooms to the ethernet board
with at least cat5e cable.
I am getting ready to do this in my home sometime in the next 6 months
(winter project list).

-Ron


On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Wojtak, Greg
<GregWojtak at quickenloans.com> wrote:
> I figured that there is more than enough brain power in this list to
> help me out with this networking set up.  I have one of the Leviton
> central home data/comm wiring setups.  In each room, I have a dual
RJ-45
> jack.  The orange and blue pair are tied to the top jack, and the
brown
> and green are tied to the bottom.  In the garage is a punch down block
> with 9 slots on it, labeled 0 - 8.  Looking at the board itself, it
> looks like the paths simply tie each wire together, ie there is a
trace
> running from wire 1 from slot 0 all the way down to slot 8.  How can I
> wire my cable modem into this to get phone and teh internets in each
> room?  Is that even possible from what I've described?
>
> My original thought was that I could run a piece of cat5 from the
cable
> modem to block 0 on the board, which I presume to be an input and
punch
> in the orange and blue pair.  Since our phone is tied through the
cable
> modem as well, I was going to then punch in a phone cable from the
phone
> jack on the cable modem into the remaining slots.
>
> Anyone have any ideas on this?  I can clarify on any points that are
> unclear.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Greg
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>



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From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Wed Aug 13 14:26:55 2008
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:26:55 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] OT: Home Network Wiring ?
In-Reply-To: <52995d720808131039u25259ec4r9acce7cfffc8c941@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB1D@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
	<52995d720808131039u25259ec4r9acce7cfffc8c941@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB3B@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>

Hmmm, that link doesn't work for me, either.  Doing a search on
'leviton' at Home Depot's site doesn't offer anything useful either...

-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf
Of Ron Blanchett
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:40 PM
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: Re: [mdlug] OT: Home Network Wiring ?

Greg,

I have that same box in my house and the punch board in your box is
for phone only.
Leviton does make an Ethernet Punch board ($25.00).
I would suggest going to your local Home Depot and looking for one.
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeI
d=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100062860&N=10000003+90072

Then rewire the bottom jacks in all your rooms to the ethernet board
with at least cat5e cable.
I am getting ready to do this in my home sometime in the next 6 months
(winter project list).

-Ron


On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Wojtak, Greg
<GregWojtak at quickenloans.com> wrote:
> I figured that there is more than enough brain power in this list to
> help me out with this networking set up.  I have one of the Leviton
> central home data/comm wiring setups.  In each room, I have a dual
RJ-45
> jack.  The orange and blue pair are tied to the top jack, and the
brown
> and green are tied to the bottom.  In the garage is a punch down block
> with 9 slots on it, labeled 0 - 8.  Looking at the board itself, it
> looks like the paths simply tie each wire together, ie there is a
trace
> running from wire 1 from slot 0 all the way down to slot 8.  How can I
> wire my cable modem into this to get phone and teh internets in each
> room?  Is that even possible from what I've described?
>
> My original thought was that I could run a piece of cat5 from the
cable
> modem to block 0 on the board, which I presume to be an input and
punch
> in the orange and blue pair.  Since our phone is tied through the
cable
> modem as well, I was going to then punch in a phone cable from the
phone
> jack on the cable modem into the remaining slots.
>
> Anyone have any ideas on this?  I can clarify on any points that are
> unclear.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Greg
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>



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slowly, and lie about your age."
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From rrclark at rrclark.net  Wed Aug 13 14:32:27 2008
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (Rich Clark)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:32:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] OT: Home Network Wiring ?
In-Reply-To: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB3B@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com
	>
References: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB1D@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
	<52995d720808131039u25259ec4r9acce7cfffc8c941@mail.gmail.com>
	<8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB3B@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
Message-ID: <52112.24.192.174.7.1218652347.squirrel@www.rrclark.net>

The link works fine if you copy/paste it manually to Firefox 3.

I agree, though, that moving to a better board meant to handle CAT5 or
CAT5e would be a better choice than one meant to handle CAT3.

R

On Wed, August 13, 2008 2:26 pm, Wojtak, Greg wrote:
> Hmmm, that link doesn't work for me, either.  Doing a search on
> 'leviton' at Home Depot's site doesn't offer anything useful either...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf
> Of Ron Blanchett
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:40 PM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] OT: Home Network Wiring ?
>
> Greg,
>
> I have that same box in my house and the punch board in your box is
> for phone only.
> Leviton does make an Ethernet Punch board ($25.00).
> I would suggest going to your local Home Depot and looking for one.
> http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeI
> d=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100062860&N=10000003+90072
>
> Then rewire the bottom jacks in all your rooms to the ethernet board
> with at least cat5e cable.
> I am getting ready to do this in my home sometime in the next 6 months
> (winter project list).
>
> -Ron
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Wojtak, Greg
> <GregWojtak at quickenloans.com> wrote:
>> I figured that there is more than enough brain power in this list to
>> help me out with this networking set up.  I have one of the Leviton
>> central home data/comm wiring setups.  In each room, I have a dual
> RJ-45
>> jack.  The orange and blue pair are tied to the top jack, and the
> brown
>> and green are tied to the bottom.  In the garage is a punch down block
>> with 9 slots on it, labeled 0 - 8.  Looking at the board itself, it
>> looks like the paths simply tie each wire together, ie there is a
> trace
>> running from wire 1 from slot 0 all the way down to slot 8.  How can I
>> wire my cable modem into this to get phone and teh internets in each
>> room?  Is that even possible from what I've described?
>>
>> My original thought was that I could run a piece of cat5 from the
> cable
>> modem to block 0 on the board, which I presume to be an input and
> punch
>> in the orange and blue pair.  Since our phone is tied through the
> cable
>> modem as well, I was going to then punch in a phone cable from the
> phone
>> jack on the cable modem into the remaining slots.
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas on this?  I can clarify on any points that are
>> unclear.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Greg
>> _______________________________________________
>> mdlug mailing list
>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Lucille Ball  - "The secret of staying young is to live honestly, eat
> slowly, and lie about your age."
> _______________________________________________
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> mdlug at mdlug.org
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From muteid10t at gmail.com  Wed Aug 13 14:51:52 2008
From: muteid10t at gmail.com (Ron Blanchett)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:51:52 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] OT: Home Network Wiring ?
In-Reply-To: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB2E@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
References: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB1D@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
	<52995d720808131039u25259ec4r9acce7cfffc8c941@mail.gmail.com>
	<8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB2E@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
Message-ID: <52995d720808131151p1aa13adcma1e37acbca9fd3bb@mail.gmail.com>

through the attic!!

On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Wojtak, Greg
<GregWojtak at quickenloans.com> wrote:
> So the way it sounds now is that this is for phone only?  Not sure how
> to run the cable now - I'm on a slab, otherwise I would just sloppily
> duct tape it to the rafters in the basement.  :D  Any suggestions how to
> run the cable in such a scenario?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf
> Of Ron Blanchett
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:40 PM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] OT: Home Network Wiring ?
>
> Greg,
>
> I have that same box in my house and the punch board in your box is
> for phone only.
> Leviton does make an Ethernet Punch board ($25.00).
> I would suggest going to your local Home Depot and looking for one.
> http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeI
> d=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100062860&N=10000003+90072
>
> Then rewire the bottom jacks in all your rooms to the ethernet board
> with at least cat5e cable.
> I am getting ready to do this in my home sometime in the next 6 months
> (winter project list).
>
> -Ron
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Wojtak, Greg
> <GregWojtak at quickenloans.com> wrote:
>> I figured that there is more than enough brain power in this list to
>> help me out with this networking set up.  I have one of the Leviton
>> central home data/comm wiring setups.  In each room, I have a dual
> RJ-45
>> jack.  The orange and blue pair are tied to the top jack, and the
> brown
>> and green are tied to the bottom.  In the garage is a punch down block
>> with 9 slots on it, labeled 0 - 8.  Looking at the board itself, it
>> looks like the paths simply tie each wire together, ie there is a
> trace
>> running from wire 1 from slot 0 all the way down to slot 8.  How can I
>> wire my cable modem into this to get phone and teh internets in each
>> room?  Is that even possible from what I've described?
>>
>> My original thought was that I could run a piece of cat5 from the
> cable
>> modem to block 0 on the board, which I presume to be an input and
> punch
>> in the orange and blue pair.  Since our phone is tied through the
> cable
>> modem as well, I was going to then punch in a phone cable from the
> phone
>> jack on the cable modem into the remaining slots.
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas on this?  I can clarify on any points that are
>> unclear.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Greg
>> _______________________________________________
>> mdlug mailing list
>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Lucille Ball  - "The secret of staying young is to live honestly, eat
> slowly, and lie about your age."
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> _______________________________________________
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>



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barn and do nothing."


From gib at juno.com  Wed Aug 13 15:55:52 2008
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:55:52 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Name Tags for Meeting
Message-ID: <20080813.155552.8454.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>

 
Ray suggested that we should have name tags for the meeting.  He asked me to go out and buy some.  I was just wondering if anyone felt creative and wanted to try making some.  
Perhaps we could make custom ones with pictures or slogans that reflect our interests.  I could have one with my 1966 Mustang on it.  Does anyone want to try to create his own?
 
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From tesral at comcast.net  Wed Aug 13 16:38:14 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:38:14 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Name Tags for Meeting
In-Reply-To: <20080813.155552.8454.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20080813.155552.8454.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <48A34636.3040000@comcast.net>

gib at juno.com wrote:
>  
> Ray suggested that we should have name tags for the meeting.  He asked me to go out and buy some.  I was just wondering if anyone felt creative and wanted to try making some.  
> Perhaps we could make custom ones with pictures or slogans that reflect our interests.  I could have one with my 1966 Mustang on it.  Does anyone want to try to create his own?


I have a button maker for 2 inch round buttons.  Physically making the 
name tags or buttons is not difficult.

Buttons are durable.  The square badges give you more real estate for 
expression.  If we can find some neat badge holders I, even with the 
button maker) like the badges.

Oh yea, I think badges are a great idea.  I have a Hell of a time 
remembering names.  We can keep a supply of "Hello" badges for visitors 
and lame asses that forget theirs.  :)

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Wed Aug 13 17:39:58 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:39:58 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Name Tags for Meeting
In-Reply-To: <48A34636.3040000@comcast.net>
References: <20080813.155552.8454.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
	<48A34636.3040000@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90808131439o19a1e923u999594627d9dd99b@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net> wrote:
> Buttons are durable.  The square badges give you more real estate for
> expression.  If we can find some neat badge holders I, even with the
> button maker) like the badges.

Just use glabel or OOo to make some generic ones and print them out on
label templates.  There are some OOo templates here:
http://www.worldlabel.com/Pages/openoffice-template.htm

Avery #74552 might work depending on the holders.


From tesral at comcast.net  Wed Aug 13 18:25:42 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:25:42 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Name Tags for Meeting
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e90808131439o19a1e923u999594627d9dd99b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080813.155552.8454.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>	<48A34636.3040000@comcast.net>
	<b02c40e90808131439o19a1e923u999594627d9dd99b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48A35F66.5020700@comcast.net>

Jeff Hanson wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net> wrote:
>   
>> Buttons are durable.  The square badges give you more real estate for
>> expression.  If we can find some neat badge holders I, even with the
>> button maker) like the badges.
>>     
>
> Just use glabel or OOo to make some generic ones and print them out on
> label templates.  There are some OOo templates here:
> http://www.worldlabel.com/Pages/openoffice-template.htm
>
> Avery #74552 might work depending on the holders.
>   
Generic is no fun.  If we are going to do it lets have fun with it.


-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From tesral at comcast.net  Wed Aug 13 18:28:36 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:28:36 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Name Tags for Meeting
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e90808131439o19a1e923u999594627d9dd99b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080813.155552.8454.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>	<48A34636.3040000@comcast.net>
	<b02c40e90808131439o19a1e923u999594627d9dd99b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48A36014.2010600@comcast.net>

Jeff Hanson wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net> wrote:
>   
>> Buttons are durable.  The square badges give you more real estate for
>> expression.  If we can find some neat badge holders I, even with the
>> button maker) like the badges.
>>     
>
> Just use glabel or OOo to make some generic ones and print them out on
> label templates.  There are some OOo templates here:
> http://www.worldlabel.com/Pages/openoffice-template.htm
>   

Nice templets, but I don't have anything in A4 size.  "Letter" every 
label I have seen.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com
Metro Detroit Linux Users Group http://www.mdlug.org



From micorral at comcast.net  Wed Aug 13 21:15:17 2008
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:15:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Name Tags for Meeting
In-Reply-To: <48A35F66.5020700@comcast.net>
References: <20080813.155552.8454.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
	<48A34636.3040000@comcast.net>
	<b02c40e90808131439o19a1e923u999594627d9dd99b@mail.gmail.com>
	<48A35F66.5020700@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.99.0808132114070.2210@banana.sluggo.net>

2008-08-13, Monsieur Garry Stahl a ecrit:
> Jeff Hanson wrote:
>> Just use glabel or OOo to make some generic ones and print them out on
>> label templates.  There are some OOo templates here:
>> http://www.worldlabel.com/Pages/openoffice-template.htm
>>
> Generic is no fun.  If we are going to do it lets have fun with it.

Definitely. We need some big, tricked out name tags.

Michael


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Thu Aug 14 01:14:38 2008
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:14:38 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Name Tags for Meeting
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.99.0808132114070.2210@banana.sluggo.net>
References: <20080813.155552.8454.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
	<48A34636.3040000@comcast.net>
	<b02c40e90808131439o19a1e923u999594627d9dd99b@mail.gmail.com>
	<48A35F66.5020700@comcast.net>
	<alpine.LFD.1.99.0808132114070.2210@banana.sluggo.net>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90808132214n4c0fe2d7qe2966e942db30a27@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Michael Corral <micorral at comcast.net> wrote:
> 2008-08-13, Monsieur Garry Stahl a ecrit:
>> Generic is no fun.  If we are going to do it lets have fun with it.
>
> Definitely. We need some big, tricked out name tags.

So it will need a  processor, maybe an ARM, running embedded Linux.
Should have lots of LEDs and Bluetooth.

I can lay out the PCB if someone wants to sketch out a schematic.


From danno at umich.edu  Sat Aug 16 14:51:02 2008
From: danno at umich.edu (Dan Pritts)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:51:02 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] OT: Home Network Wiring ?
In-Reply-To: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB2E@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
References: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB1D@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
	<52995d720808131039u25259ec4r9acce7cfffc8c941@mail.gmail.com>
	<8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BB2E@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
Message-ID: <20080816185102.GA33219@maniac.deathstar.org>

It sounds like you have something like this:

http://tinyurl.com/5g4yaz
http://www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/ibeCCtpSctDspRte.jsp?section=11641&minisite=10027&Filter=Y&jfn=ZGD28E3B1FC568B764B6181C9059DFCAB2148141AD308A53F44A829C814CEDA35F6C7051C4D918924631C4648EC6F5F38E80&oas=xzO1BMM40a6wVXtd5dTjmQ..

and what Ron is suggesting is this:

http://tinyurl.com/5agxvo
http://www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/ibeCCtpSctDspRte.jsp?section=10371&minisite=10027&Filter=Y&jfn=ZG4E26A9D4D72018A9E8DE310FCFBD9E23567794257551E5BB746AADC7767C61AB95386DD3FAE348EF2EDA78D7F982F9AA14&oas=ca0u5A0SuMngOXVvz9zV4w..

which looks fine for $25.

You don't actually need to rewire - presuming that the wire is CAT5
or better, you can run 100Mbps ethernet on two of the pair, and
your voice line(s) on the others.  

1GE requires all 4 pair - if it's CAT5E and you're willing to lose
the phone jack you can do that too.

i'll assume you want 100M and the phone.

Your wall jacks are probably fine, but make sure that they are cat5 rated
also.  The data jack may need to be repunched.

let's say the bottom jack will be phone and the top ether.

for twisted pair, an RJ45 jack is wired like this (ORange, Orange/White,
GReen, BLue, BLueWhite, etc):
      ___________
----- |  -----  | -----
OR OW GR BL BW GW BR BW

100M enet uses the orange and green pairs.  

a single phone line will use the blue pair; a dual-line jack will use the green
pair also.

Of course, the colors per se don't matter, they are just a coding
standard for which pair goes to which pins on the RJ45.

See how your existing wall jacks are wired.  If you're lucky, one is wired to
the orange and green pins and the other is wired to the green & blue pins.
i bet they're both on green & blue, so you'll have to repunch one of them to
match.

Leave the other jack alone, and leave the appropriate two pair punched to your 
telephone panel.  

pull the other two pair out of your telephone panel, and as necessary strip away
some insulation to give yourself room to work.

take the other two pair and punch them to the data punch panel, matching the
wire color to the jack color like you did on the jacks.

This article explains the general idea, and has some pics:
http://www.mavromatic.com/archives/000458

For tools, i'd suggest you avoid the expensive punchdown tool at
home depot, and just get something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/DataShark-70034-Non-Impact-Punchdown-Tool/dp/B000KMFDZ0
or even this:
http://www.milestek.com/shop/product.asp?id=40%2040302&cid=&kwd=&l=&p=

Or borrow one.

if you have more questions drop me a line, it's probably better to talk
on the phone.


On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 02:08:56PM -0400, Wojtak, Greg wrote:
> So the way it sounds now is that this is for phone only?  Not sure how
> to run the cable now - I'm on a slab, otherwise I would just sloppily
> duct tape it to the rafters in the basement.  :D  Any suggestions how to
> run the cable in such a scenario?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf
> Of Ron Blanchett
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:40 PM
> To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
> Subject: Re: [mdlug] OT: Home Network Wiring ?
> 
> Greg,
> 
> I have that same box in my house and the punch board in your box is
> for phone only.
> Leviton does make an Ethernet Punch board ($25.00).
> I would suggest going to your local Home Depot and looking for one.
> http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100062860&N=10000003+90072
> 
> Then rewire the bottom jacks in all your rooms to the ethernet board
> with at least cat5e cable.
> I am getting ready to do this in my home sometime in the next 6 months
> (winter project list).
> 
> -Ron
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Wojtak, Greg
> <GregWojtak at quickenloans.com> wrote:
> > I figured that there is more than enough brain power in this list to
> > help me out with this networking set up.  I have one of the Leviton
> > central home data/comm wiring setups.  In each room, I have a dual
> RJ-45
> > jack.  The orange and blue pair are tied to the top jack, and the
> brown
> > and green are tied to the bottom.  In the garage is a punch down block
> > with 9 slots on it, labeled 0 - 8.  Looking at the board itself, it
> > looks like the paths simply tie each wire together, ie there is a
> trace
> > running from wire 1 from slot 0 all the way down to slot 8.  How can I
> > wire my cable modem into this to get phone and teh internets in each
> > room?  Is that even possible from what I've described?
> >
> > My original thought was that I could run a piece of cat5 from the
> cable
> > modem to block 0 on the board, which I presume to be an input and
> punch
> > in the orange and blue pair.  Since our phone is tied through the
> cable
> > modem as well, I was going to then punch in a phone cable from the
> phone
> > jack on the cable modem into the remaining slots.
> >
> > Anyone have any ideas on this?  I can clarify on any points that are
> > unclear.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Greg
> > _______________________________________________
> > mdlug mailing list
> > mdlug at mdlug.org
> > http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Lucille Ball  - "The secret of staying young is to live honestly, eat
> slowly, and lie about your age."
> _______________________________________________
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734-929-9770


From driveray at ameritech.net  Thu Aug 21 01:46:46 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 01:46:46 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Test
Message-ID: <48AD0146.5000908@ameritech.net>

Hello?
Is this thing on?


From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Mon Aug 18 12:57:33 2008
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:57:33 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quick Directory Removal?
Message-ID: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE0605BDEC@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>

I?ve got an application that generates on the order of a million files in one directory in one day.  This directory is NFS mounted.  Aside from the poor design of the application treating a directory as a database, I?ve put a script in place on the nfs server to clean it up every night, removing files that are a day old.  This is a GFS filesystem, which isn?t built for speed to begin with, and running find in this directory takes a long time, and so does a rm -rf.  So I started thinking of ways to remove this directory more quickly.

One thing I came up with and wanted to check with other UNIX smarty-pants about was this: suppose the filesystem I am mounting is /export, and the directory I want to remove is /export/appdata.  What I was thinking was to create a null device on /export, then:

# cd /export
# mv appdata null
# mkdir appdata

I haven?t tested this, but I believe this would be very fast for two reasons: I?d be moving the directory to the bit bucket without scanning the files in it, and it would be, as far as the filesystem subsystem is concerned, on the same filsystem, so it wouldn?t have to move any data on the disk.

So I have two questions ? will it be as fast as I think it is?  Is this safe to do?  I?d like to hear opinions on this .  If this can save on time and IO overhead, it would make me very happy.  Of course, I?d still preach to the developers about how badly this is hurting the server. ?

Greg



From mdlug at sbcglobal.net  Wed Aug 20 09:55:23 2008
From: mdlug at sbcglobal.net (Dean Durant)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:55:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] OT: old machines
Message-ID: <303261.89425.qm@web81802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello, I have one person coming today after 5.  I wouldn't want to get a whole flood of  people coming to get machines.   But starting now, generally, after 5:10 or so, most days, if they contact me ahead of time, you can come out and look through what is here and take something.  

I need a cell phone # and / or a good ID of what you'll be driving.   Because the doors here are locked at 5 and the receptionist goes home.  

So please email me directly and let me know if there's a day you'd like to come.   I'd like to give everyone who wants something a chance to take it before I give anything to the guy from quicken loans.  
 


From mdlug at sbcglobal.net  Wed Aug 20 09:59:26 2008
From: mdlug at sbcglobal.net (Dean Durant)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:59:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] fstab: nfs server mounts not mounting
Message-ID: <362103.38172.qm@web81803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello, I have nfs mount points that mount OK if I mount them manually.

I can then copy the corresponding lines from /etc/mtab, or enter them by hand, and the nfs server name shows up in highlighted red, like there's something wrong with it.    The logs show that the system thinks the nfs server is a "special device".   

Even though I can ping it, and the hand mounts work.   

Nothing else in the line is red.   

Can anyone think of anything?         thanks, Dean


From jjn at nuge.com  Thu Aug 21 04:58:59 2008
From: jjn at nuge.com (Jay Nugent)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:58:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] test -- is it back on net?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0808210456270.1069-100000@home.nuge.com>


   Two men walk into a bar....  

      ... awww heck...nevermind... 

   You've probably alreadyt heard it anyway.


      --- Jay




From rrclark at rrclark.net  Thu Aug 21 11:36:18 2008
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (Rich Clark)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:36:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Testing...
Message-ID: <48130.24.192.174.7.1219332978.squirrel@www.rrclark.net>

Is this thing on?  Testing...



From fireblosom at gmail.com  Thu Aug 21 13:42:32 2008
From: fireblosom at gmail.com (Michael Persello)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:42:32 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] distros
In-Reply-To: <489E538A.3050000@comcast.net>
References: <080920081722.27105.489DD260000C414F000069E12206824693040E9D9C0A9B@comcast.net>
	<b02c40e90808091648l4c0eba75q8f1314ad8c83648e@mail.gmail.com>
	<489E538A.3050000@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <cc6463330808211042l69b9a20ax75ac8d7de9dcf34c@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Garry,

Don't forget Kubuntu as well.  I think it's still available in Hardy Heron
with the KDE 3 front end.  I've heard that they also have it with the less
liked KDE 4 front end as well.




Michael H. Persello.


From rrclark at rrclark.net  Thu Aug 21 13:41:26 2008
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (Rich Clark)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:41:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Name Tags for Meeting
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.99.0808132114070.2210@banana.sluggo.net>
References: <20080813.155552.8454.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
	<48A34636.3040000@comcast.net>
	<b02c40e90808131439o19a1e923u999594627d9dd99b@mail.gmail.com>
	<48A35F66.5020700@comcast.net>
	<alpine.LFD.1.99.0808132114070.2210@banana.sluggo.net>
Message-ID: <54923.24.192.174.7.1219340486.squirrel@www.rrclark.net>

Replying to check delivery. This is a test after the server has been down
for a week.

R


On Wed, August 13, 2008 9:15 pm, Michael Corral wrote:
> 2008-08-13, Monsieur Garry Stahl a ecrit:
>> Jeff Hanson wrote:
>>> Just use glabel or OOo to make some generic ones and print them out on
>>> label templates.  There are some OOo templates here:
>>> http://www.worldlabel.com/Pages/openoffice-template.htm
>>>
>> Generic is no fun.  If we are going to do it lets have fun with it.
>
> Definitely. We need some big, tricked out name tags.
>
> Michael
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>




From otakurider at gmail.com  Tue Aug 19 09:06:18 2008
From: otakurider at gmail.com (-)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:06:18 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Name Tags for Meeting
In-Reply-To: <20080813.155552.8454.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20080813.155552.8454.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <cd5131a50808190606l13ee7d14wa62729b75fafc996@mail.gmail.com>

I will give it a twirl on some ideas

 Pat

On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 3:55 PM, gib at juno.com <gib at juno.com> wrote:

>
> Ray suggested that we should have name tags for the meeting.  He asked me
> to go out and buy some.  I was just wondering if anyone felt creative and
> wanted to try making some.
> Perhaps we could make custom ones with pictures or slogans that reflect our
> interests.  I could have one with my 1966 Mustang on it.  Does anyone want
> to try to create his own?
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> Internet Security Software - Click here.
>
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iied4mrLWOkO0j9NrGnDfOIlgPFSJVdkbY1NwcptCW4g6sSiQ/
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> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>


From jjn at nuge.com  Fri Aug 22 03:40:52 2008
From: jjn at nuge.com (Jay Nugent)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 03:40:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Test after power cycle
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0808220337070.1069-100000@home.nuge.com>


   This is a test.
   If this hadn't been a test, I would have called it something else!!

      --- Jay
             
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said:    "Would you like fries with that emergency communication?"
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From john_re at fastmail.us  Fri Aug 22 06:50:38 2008
From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 03:50:38 -0700
Subject: [mdlug] BerkeleyTIPGlobal-USA September 6 Saturday- Stallman
 Torvalds Debconf Akademy...
Message-ID: <1219402238.2292.1269962287@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hello Raymond McL -
Hello MDLUG friends, from Berkeley.  :)

Raymond - Thanks for your tip about InterLUG.  I'll be posting this
there shortly too.  Are MDLUGers interested in joining in?  

PS - Are those slashdotters near you all?  Do they ever go to Detroit
meetings?  Do they have another LUG out their way?


WHO:   YOU, and the GLOBAL GNU(Linux)/BSD FSW COMMUNITY.
WHAT:  The First Global-USA SIMULTANEOUS monthly MEETING of the 
       Berkeley - Talks Installfest Potluck & ProgrammingParty (TIP)
WHEN:  SEPTEMBER 6 SATURDAY 10AM-6PM Pacific Daylight Savings Time
       (Adjust for your local time. Ex: Eastern = Pacific + 3Hrs.)
WHERE: In your local community
WHY:   Learn, Install SW, Communicate with Friends, Produce
HOW:   Bring your laptop & VOIP headset. Download videos before meeting.

Who will be the person to arrange your local simultaneous meeting,
for SEPTEMBER 6, SATURDAY?


=====  ATTENDEE & MEETING - FACTS & BENEFITS  =====
Whatever aspects of GNU(LINUX)/BSD 
freedom software, technology, or culture you are interested in,
on SEPTEMBER 6, SATURDAY, (& the 1st Saturday of every month)
the place YOU WILL WANT TO BE is at a local meeting of:

The historic First, Simultaneous,
Berkeley GNU(Linux)/BSD Freedom SW/Culture
- Talks, Installfest, Potluck & ProgrammingParty (TIP)
Global-USA monthly meeting.
[10AM-6PM Pacific Daylight Savings Time - Adjust for your local time.]

EVERYONE: Join the group & mailing list at:
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

The mailing list is open to, and is for everyone: all attendees at all
the local meetings.

Local meeting organizers are doubly encouraged to join the list.


=====  HOWTO - ARRANGING A LOCAL MEETING  =====
Who will be the person to arrange your local simultaneous meeting,
for SEPTEMBER 6, SATURDAY?

It's really EASY. Just:
1) JOIN the BerkeleyTIP-Global MAILING LIST:
   http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal
   and say "Hi".
2) DECIDE on a LOCATION for the meeting:
     PUBLIC UNIVERSITY/COLLEGE = GREAT.
3) SEND out ANNOUNCEMENTS to email lists.
4) DOWNLOAD the VIDEOS ahead of time.
5) Have the MEETING.  :)

Reply to this email on your mailing list & I'll try to help you out.

Remember, I'm just doing this as a volunteer effort for the community,
so I can only make a little time to help you.  I'll try to help you.  :)
I've included step by step plans here & on the BerkeleyTIP-Global Group
website.  Ask questions to the BerkeleyTIP-Global mailing list, & the
community can help each other out.

Reply to this message on your local list to let me know who will head up
your local meeting effort. Also say "Hi" on the BerkTIPGlobal mailing
list.  :)

Also, if YOU are interested in ATTENDING a local meeting, but aren't up
to being an "organizer" for your local event, please do reply to this
email on your local list, & say you'd be interested in attending, so
potential "organizers" on your list will know people are interested in
attending this event.


=====  MEETING ACTIVITIES  =====
You will have about 20 educational talks to watch
[from the top minds in the GNU(Linux)/BSD Free SW world].
You will be able to:
Learn, Install or Upgrade, Communicate w/ friends, & Create.

We will watch talks, then get together Globally-USA on IRC & VOIP to
discuss anything & everything.


=====  2.5 WEEKS TO ARRANGE LOCAL MEETINGS  =====
With 2.5 weeks to go before the meeting, 
you have ample time to arrange a local meeting place & meeting.

I've created a simple plan/ set of instructions for you 
- all you have to do is follow the steps.

There's already been interest expressed in BatonRouge, Boston, Chicago,
Denver, Detroit, Hawaii, Montana, NorthCarolina, Virginia, Canada &
Columbia.  & Berkeley/SiliconValley.  & from FSF, FreeBSD & Debian
people. (And that's just from my small, part time effort on this.)

Who will be the person(s) to arrange your local meeting details?
Maybe it's you. (& it's straightforward, and easy to do.)


=====  WHO SHOULD ATTEND  =====
Parts of this meeting are relevant for:
Computing & technology professionals, business people, non-profits,
educators, students, scientists, (re)searchers, engineers, artists, &
home & personal computer users.

The meeting is Free, no money $ cost.
- & You might want to make a donation to support its growth/benefits.

I invite you to join our mailing list at
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal


=====  VOLUNTEERING - ME & YOU  =====
Note:  I'm putting this together as my volunteer effort for the
community, in my almost nonexistent "free/spare" time.   I've designed
this as a "self-reliant" event.  I'll certainly try to help everyone
out, but this event doesn't depend on me - if _you_ want a successful
event, it depends on _you_ (collectively).  It's a self reliant event, &
I've worked hard to ensure it is easy for you to succeed in making &
having a successful event/ experience(s).

Forward this announcement wherever you think it will do some good: like,
any list you don't see me posting this to.

I'm sending this to about 15 LUGs around the USA, plus come topic
groups, ex BSD, FSF, GNU, Debian, Gentoo, KDE, GNOME, Python.  Feel free
to send this announcement to any community email list where it could do
some good.

I'm sending this to at least the following USA LUGs:
Boston, NY, WDC, Florida, Chicago, Denver, Atlanta,
BatonRouge, Austin, LA, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii


=======================================================================
=======================================================================
If I had lots of time, I'd complete this section.  But, since I want
this announcement to go out now, I'll leave this merely as complete as
it is.  You can find most of this information on the BerkTIPGlobal group
website.  Ask any questions you have on the group mailing list.


=====  CONTENTS:  =====
0) Global group - mailing list - everyone join
1) Local Meeting Management/Arrangement Plan
2) Attendee Video Downloading Plan - Download before meeting
3) Talks / Topics - Tentative Schedule
4) IRC & VOIP - ProgrammingParty = VOIP this meeting
5) Installfest - HowTo - SelfReliance = bring everything you need
6) Ex of local meeting info: BerkeleyTIP local


=====  0) Global group - mailing list - everyone join  =====
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

There are 4 PARALLEL TRACKS of events:
1) TALKS        Talks by various speakers (stream video globally)
2) INSTALLFEST  Bring your computer & install BSD or GNU/Linux software.
3) POTLUCK      Bring $5 or food to share: eat, chat (optional)
4) PROGRAMMING PARTY     Write SW on your. or a group. project

This next meeting I am stepping this up from a local Berkeley meeting,
toward its goal of being a Global meeting.  For the September 6 meeting
I'm working to get USA locations up & connected.  I call this month's
meeting "Global-USA".  Anyone is welcome to set up a simultaneous
meeting anywhere in the world.  But _my_ efforts this month are
primarily directed to getting USA groups going.  Next month I'll focus
on getting Americas' groups added.


=====  1) Local Meeting Management/Arrangement Plan  =====
For people who want to have  a local meeting,
here is a Plan for you to follow to arrange a meeting:

Here are the major accomplishments to achieve, by time point:
In time before the meeting:

3rd week:  August 17 - 23
1) Discuss meeting online with local group
2) Where to hold local meeting - Discuss

2nd Week:  August 24 - 30
1) Visit possible locations, verify internet connectivity.
2) Discuss merits of various locations.
3) Choose location for meeting.

1st Week:  August 31 - Sept 5
1) Visit location & get on IRC for  a test.
2) Make physical arrangements 
    signs, network hardware (WiFi AP, ethernet switch, ethernet cables,
    power cables)

0 Day:     September 6
Have meeting: Learn, install, eat, talk, create, have fun!  :)

http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal/web/local-meeting-manager-accomplishments

!!! NOTE: Your time zone simultaneous times are a
    DIFFERENT HOUR OF THE DAY than the hours below
    if you aren't in PDST. So ADJUST FOR YOUR TIME ZONE!!!
    EX: EAST COAST USA = PDST + 3 HOURS.
    I.E. 10 AM PDST = 1 PM EDST.  )

September 6 Saturday 10AM-6PM (Pacific Daylight Savings Time).
In your region.


=====  2) Attendee Video Download Before Meeting Plan  =====
All attendees to every meeting should download, before the meeting, the
videos they want to watch to their laptop.  This ensures you are self
sufficient, & aren't depending on someone else to bring the videos you
want to see.

At the appropriate hour, watch the relevant video.  Get on IRC with
others watching the same video & discuss it.

GETTING THE TALKS - You, the person who goes to the event.

In THE WEEK BEFORE THE MEETING, CHECK the BerkTIPGlobal group website
for the latest tentative LIST of talks & schedule, and the video
download links.

1) Determine your TOPIC INTEREST areas.
2) READ BerkTIPGlobal video ANNOUNCEMENTS &
     select URLs for videos you are interested in
3) DOWNLOAD those videos to your laptop in week before event
4) WATCH videos on your laptop at local group on event day.


=====  3) Talks / Topics  =====
NEW THIS MONTH:
Watch the latest talks from Debconf, SciPy & KDE Akademy.
?Maybe even Defcon??


TALKS/VIDEOS/GROUP_MEETINGS AGENDA:

1000A DISTROS - GNU(Linux), BSD, Debian, Gentoo, FreeBSD OpenBSD
      SOCIAL - EFF, FSF
1130A PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES - Python, PERL, CC++, PHP
      DATABASES - MySQL, MSQL, BerkeleyDB
 100P GUI's - GNOME, KDE
      NETWORKING - internet, Apache, web browser, VOIP
 230P BUSINESS - CRM, ERP, spreadsheets
      EDUCATION/ACADEMIC - OLPC, SciPy
 400P HARDWARE - OLPC, phone
      PERSONAL APPLICATIONS - K/Open-Office, audio, video
 530P ART - Creative Commons, music, visual, Wikipedia
      WEB DESIGN


TENTATIVE SCHEDULE - Likely to change - watch group website for updates

1000 AM--------------------------------------------------------------
Network1:  Asterisk VOIP - Sameer Verma
Social:    GNU & Copyright - Richard Stallman
1130 AM--------------------------------------------------------------
Network2:  Debian - Setup A WiFi Repeater
Prog Lang: Painless Python Part 1 - Alex Martelli
Database:  A Googly MySQL Cluster 
100 PM--------------------------------------------------------------
GUIs:      ? - Akademy
Distros:   git - Linus Torvalds
           ? - Debian Debconf
230 PM--------------------------------------------------------------
Business:  Web 2.0 startups - David Weekly
Education: Python on the OLPC XO Laptop
400 PM--------------------------------------------------------------
Hardware:  ? Open Moko?? - can we get someone to give a talk on this???
Pers Apps: ? Games - TeamSpeak - can we get a talk on this???
530 PM--------------------------------------------------------------
Art:       ?
WebDesign: ?


===== 4) IRC & VOIP - ProgrammingParty = VOIP this meeting  =====
If you know WiFi, internet connection sharing, IRC, or VOIP, come & help
out on getting connection sharing going for local meetings, getting IRC
up for all meetings to join, & getting VOIP going.

VOIP = everyone bring a laptop, Audio Headset & microphone, WiFi
capability, & get together with people at all meetings on group VOIP
channels.  Too many details for me to mention more here.


===== 5) Installfest HowTo- SelfReliance= bring everything you need=====
Local installfests - Optional, up to local meeting organizers.  Ask
attendees to be prepared, be self reliant, bring everything they think
they'll need - HW, SW, networking, power cables, monitors, WiFi cards &
AccessPoints, blank CDs, etc.


===== 6) Ex of local meeting info: BerkeleyTIP local  =====
Check out the announcements & links here for suggestions & guidelines:
http://groups.google.com/group/berktip


=======================================================================
=======================================================================
Now: 
JOIN the BerkeleyTIP-Global MAILING LIST:
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

What questions do you have?

Who will be the person to arrange your local simultaneous meeting,
for SEPTEMBER 6, SATURDAY?

Reply to this message on your local list to let me know who will head up
your local meeting effort. Also say "Hi" on the BerkTIPGlobal mailing
list.  :)

EVERYONE: Join the group & mailing list at:
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

The mailing list is open to, and is for everyone: all attendees at all
the local meetings.

Also, if YOU are interested in ATTENDING a local meeting, but aren't up
to being an "organizer" for your local event, please do reply to this
email on your local list, & say you'd be interested in attending, so
potential "organizers" on your list will know people are interested in
attending this event.


From drew4096 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 25 14:52:52 2008
From: drew4096 at gmail.com (Drew)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:52:52 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] forward files
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20080825144438.02aad060@pop.gmail.com>

     I once had a mail handler on grex and m-net that was activated 
by a .forward file, and would like
to set one up again to dump spam. However, when testing it on my own 
system I'm running into a
snag. When I first set it up, mail behaved normally, ie, the .forward 
file was ignored; and with .forward's
execute bits turned on, mail is now just disappearing.

     The .forward file reads as follows:

"|/home/drew/spamtrap"

(I've tried both with and without the quotes.)

     And the script:

#!/bin/bash

LOGFILE='/home/drew/spamlog'
MAIL_DESTINATION='/home/drew/spam'

read -r FIRSTLINE
echo $FIRSTLINE >> $LOGFILE

for ENTRY in `cat /home/drew/.whitelist`
do
     if ( echo $FIRSTLINE | grep -i $ENTRY > /dev/null )
     then
         MAIL_DESTINATION='/var/spool/mail/drew'
         echo Approved for delivery >> $LOGFILE
     fi
done

echo $FIRSTLINE >> $MAIL_DESTINATION

while read -r NEXTLINE
do
     echo $NEXTLINE >> $MAIL_DESTINATION
done


Both files are chmodded 755.
What am I missing?

----

- Drew.



From drew4096 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 25 15:08:19 2008
From: drew4096 at gmail.com (Drew)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:08:19 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Kubuntu
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20080825145609.02ab0620@pop.gmail.com>

     Tried this one out after getting another copy at WashLUG. No 
advances since April; still
version 8.04. My main issues with other distros have been: Display, 
Wireless, Printer, Video
and Sound.

     Display: Resolutions available past 1100 by 960; okay.
     Printer: Samsung 1710 printer found; okay.
     Sound: Working.

     Wireless:
     My acx100 based wireless card seems to work well enough for 
Kubuntu to find the various
wireless access points near me and give me a graphical of all their 
signal strengths. If I click on
any of the open ones, however, it shows an Attempting to Connect, 
progress bar at 28%, for
however long I set the timeout (moved it to about a minute), and 
fails to connect. It could be
that I need better conditions for radio transception; the connection 
is usually difficult to maintain
under Fedora Core 4. But I *am* able to connect with Fedora.

     Video:
     Tried kaffiene with both an .mp4 and a .wmv; files I've had for 
at least a year. Doesn't have the
codecs. Can't they ship this package with the ability to play stuff 
that's been out there a while ON
THE CD so that I don't have to go after more drivers?

----

- Drew.



From rrclark at rrclark.net  Mon Aug 25 22:58:31 2008
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (Rich Clark)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:58:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] testing again
Message-ID: <52777.24.192.174.7.1219719511.squirrel@rrclark.net>

Do he work? Do he not work?

R



From rrclark at rrclark.net  Mon Aug 25 22:56:20 2008
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (Rich Clark)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:56:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] testing, what happens?
Message-ID: <44383.24.192.174.7.1219719380.squirrel@rrclark.net>

I do wonder. is it still broken? am what I'm doing helping anything?

R



From rrclark at rrclark.net  Mon Aug 25 22:59:39 2008
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (Rich Clark)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:59:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] one more time, do he work?
Message-ID: <52780.24.192.174.7.1219719579.squirrel@rrclark.net>

or do he not?

R



From driveray at ameritech.net  Tue Aug 26 12:37:21 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:37:21 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] About The Mailing lists
Message-ID: <48B43141.8030406@ameritech.net>

What about the mailing lists? On August 14 MDLUG temporarily lost 
network connectivity. Since the sever again became available we have 
been unable to get the mailman mailing list program to connect to our 
smtp server. Howerver posts to the mailing lists are being received and 
archived. So members wishing to continue their discussions can post 
their messages like normal, and read them, and any replies, in the
<a href="http://mdlug.org/pipermail/mdlug/">web archive</a>.

Admitedly this arrangement is less than ideal. Your server adminstrators 
are working on this as their available time allows. Hopefully service 
will return to normal soon.

Raymond McLaughlin
Server-Admin MDLUG


From driveray at ameritech.net  Wed Aug 27 05:03:50 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:03:50 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] test
Message-ID: <48B51876.70303@ameritech.net>

test


From john_re at fastmail.us  Fri Aug 29 04:22:24 2008
From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:22:24 -0700
Subject: [mdlug] Meeting Sept6 BerkeleyTIPGlobal-USA - Stallman Torvalds
 Debconf Akademy...
Message-ID: <1219998144.25277.1271128955@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hello Detroitians, from Berkeley.  :)

Anyone interested in attending this meeting there locally?

=====  SUMMARY INTRODUCTION  =====
If you value knowing, using or contributing to free software,
or getting together with members of the community,
you won't want to miss this meeting.

We'll be getting together in 1 week, on Saturday September 6,
for the First monthly meeting 
(in your community, & throughout the USA) joining with the
Berkeley TIP Global-USA meeting.
TIP = Talks, Installfest, Potluck, ProgrammingParty

I invite you to join us.

Sign up for the BerkTIPGlobal mailing list at
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

Someone will need to set up a local meeting in your community-
at a place with internet for IRC.
It's easy - a WiFi cafe, schoolroom, a house or apartment is great.

Scan the rest of this announcement - there's a lot of info there, but
you don't need to read it in detail.

Is anyone there interested in attending this meeting?  
Reply to this message on your local list & see who'd like to come to a
meeting.

Ask any question you like on the Global mailing list too.
What questions do you have?

I hope to hear from you on the mailing list, 
and hope to meet you at the meeting.  :)


===========  SUMMARY DETAILS  =====
WHO:   YOU, and the GLOBAL GNU(Linux)/BSD FSW COMMUNITY.
WHAT:  The First Global-USA SIMULTANEOUS monthly MEETING of the 
       Berkeley - Talks Installfest Potluck & ProgrammingParty (TIP)
WHEN:  SEPTEMBER 6 SATURDAY 10AM-6PM Pacific Daylight Savings Time
       (Adjust for your local time. Ex: Eastern = Pacific + 3Hrs.)
WHERE: In your local community
WHY:   Learn, Install SW, Communicate, Produce
HOW:   Bring your laptop & VOIP headset. Download videos before meeting.


=====  HOWTO - ARRANGING A LOCAL MEETING  =====
Who will be the person to arrange your local simultaneous meeting,
for SEPTEMBER 6, SATURDAY?

It's really EASY. Just:
1) JOIN the BerkeleyTIP-Global MAILING LIST:
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal
2) DECIDE on a LOCATION for the meeting:
     PUBLIC UNIVERSITY/COLLEGE = GREAT.
3) SEND out ANNOUNCEMENTS to email lists.
4) DOWNLOAD the VIDEOS ahead of time.
5) Have the MEETING.  :)

Reply to this email on your mailing list & I'll try to help you out.

Note: I'm doing this as one of my part time volunteer efforts for the
community, so I can only make a little time to help you.  I'll try to
help you.  :)  I've included step by step plans here & on the
BerkeleyTIP-Global Group website.  Ask questions to the
BerkeleyTIP-Global mailing list, & the community can help each other
out.

Reply to this message on your local list to let me know who will head up
your local meeting effort. Also say "Hi" on the BerkTIPGlobal mailing
list.  :)


=====  ATTENDEE & MEETING - FACTS & BENEFITS  =====
Whatever aspects of GNU(LINUX)/BSD 
freedom software, technology, or culture you are interested in,
on SEPTEMBER 6, SATURDAY, (& the 1st Saturday of every month)
the place YOU WILL WANT TO BE is at a local meeting of:

The historic First, Simultaneous,
Berkeley GNU(Linux)/BSD Freedom Culture
- Talks, Installfest, Potluck & ProgrammingParty (TIP)
Global-USA monthly meeting.
[10AM-6PM Pacific Daylight Savings Time - Adjust for your local time.]

http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal


=====  MEETING ACTIVITIES  =====
You will have about 20 educational talks to watch
[from the top minds in the GNU(Linux)/BSD Free SW world].
You will be able to:
Learn, Install or Upgrade, Communicate, & Create.

We will watch talks, then get together Globally-USA on IRC & VOIP to
discuss anything & everything.


=====  1 WEEK TO ARRANGE LOCAL MEETINGS  =====
With 1 week to go before the meeting, 
you have ample time to arrange a local meeting place & meeting.

I've created a simple plan/ set of instructions for you 
- all you have to do is follow the steps.

There's already been interest expressed in BatonRouge, Boston, Chicago,
Denver, Detroit, Hawaii, Montana, NorthCarolina, Virginia, Canada &
Columbia.  & Berkeley/SiliconValley.  & from FSF, FreeBSD & Debian
people. (And that's just from my small, part time effort on this.)

Who will be the person(s) to arrange your local meeting details?
Maybe it's you. (& it's straightforward, and easy to do.)


=====  WHO SHOULD ATTEND  =====
Parts of this meeting are relevant for:
Computing & technology professionals, business people, non-profits,
educators, students, scientists, (re)searchers, engineers, artists, &
home & personal computer users.

The meeting is Free, no money $ cost.
- & You might want to make a donation to support its growth/benefits.

I invite you to join our mailing list at
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal


=====  VOLUNTEERING - ME & YOU  =====
Note:  I'm putting this together as my volunteer effort for the
community, in my almost nonexistent "free/spare" time.   I've designed
this as a "self-reliant" event.  I'll certainly try to help everyone
out, but this event doesn't depend on me - if _you_ want a successful
event, it depends on _you_ (collectively).  It's a self reliant event, &
I've worked hard to ensure it is easy for you to succeed in making &
having a successful event/ experience(s).

Forward this announcement wherever you think it will do some good: like,
any list you don't see me posting this to.

I'm sending this to about 15 LUGs around the USA, plus come topic
groups, ex BSD, FSF, GNU, Debian, Gentoo, KDE, GNOME, Python.  Fee free
to send this announcement to any community email list where it could do
some good.


=======================================================================
=======================================================================
If I had lots of time, I'd complete this section.  But, since I want
this announcement to go out now, I'll leave this merely as complete as
it is.  You can find most of this information on the BerkTIPGlobal group
website.  Ask any questions you have on the group mailing list.


=====  CONTENTS:
0) Global group - mailing list - everyone join
1) Local Meeting Management/Arrangement Plan
2) Attendee Video Downloading Plan - Download before meeting
3) Talks / Topics - Tentative Schedule
4) IRC & VOIP - ProgrammingParty = VOIP this meeting
5) Installfest - HowTo - SelfReliance = bring everything you need
6) Ex of local meeting info: BerkeleyTIP local


=====  0) Global group - mailing list - everyone join  =====
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

There are 4 PARALLEL TRACKS of events:
1) TALKS        Talks by various speakers (stream video globally)
2) INSTALLFEST  Bring your computer & install BSD or GNU/Linux software.
3) POTLUCK      Bring $5 or food to share: eat, chat (optional)
4) PROGRAMMING PARTY     Write SW on your. or a group. project

This next meeting I am stepping this up from a local Berkeley meeting,
toward its goal of being a Global meeting.  For the September 6 meeting
I'm working to get USA locations up & connected.  I call this month's
meeting "Global-USA".  Anyone is welcome to set up a simultaneous
meeting anywhere in the world.  But _my_ efforts this month are
primarily directed to getting USA groups going.  Next month I'll focus
on getting Americas' groups added.


=====  1) Local Meeting Management/Arrangement Plan  =====
For people who want to have  a local meeting, whoever does the work is
the leader.  Here is a Plan for you to follow to arrange a meeting:

Here are the major accomplishments to achieve, by time point:
In time before the meeting:

3rd week:  August 17 - 23
1) Discuss meeting online with local group
2) Where to hold local meeting - Discuss

2nd Week:  August 24 - 30
1) Visit possible locations, verify internet connectivity.
2) Discuss merits of various locations.
3) Choose location for meeting.

1st Week:  August 31 - Sept 5
1) Visit location & get on IRC for  a test.
2) Make physical arrangements 
    signs, network hardware (WiFi AP, ethernet switch, ethernet cables,
    power cables)

0 Day:     September 6
Have meeting: Learn, install, eat, talk, create, have fun!  :)

http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal/web/local-meeting-manager-accomplishments

!!! NOTE: Your time zone simultaneous times are a
    DIFFERENT HOUR OF THE DAY than the hours below
    if you aren't in PDST. So ADJUST FOR YOUR TIME ZONE!!!
    EX: EAST COAST USA = PDST + 3 HOURS.
    I.E. 10 AM PDST = 1 PM EDST.  )

September 6 Saturday 10AM-6PM (Pacific Daylight Savings Time).
In your region.


=====  2) Attendee Video Downloading Plan - Download before meeting 
=====
All attendees to every meeting should download, before the meeting, the
videos they want to watch to their laptop.  This ensures you are self
sufficient, & aren't depending on someone else to bring the videos you
want to see.

At the appropriate hour, watch the relevant video.  Get on IRC with
others watching the same video & discuss it.

=====  3) Talks / Topics  =====
NEW THIS MONTH:
Watch the latest talks from Debconf, SciPy & KDE Akademy.
?Maybe even Defcon??


TALKS/VIDEOS/GROUP_MEETINGS AGENDA:

1000A DISTROS - GNU(Linux), BSD, Debian, Gentoo, FreeBSD OpenBSD
      SOCIAL - EFF, FSF
1130A PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES - Python, PERL, CC++, PHP
      DATABASES - MySQL, MSQL, BerkeleyDB
 100P GUI's - GNOME, KDE
      NETWORKING - internet, Apache, web browser, VOIP
 230P BUSINESS - CRM, ERP, spreadsheets
      EDUCATION/ACADEMIC - OLPC, SciPy
 400P HARDWARE - OLPC, phone
      PERSONAL APPLICATIONS - K/Open-Office, audio, video
 530P ART - Creative Commons, music, visual, Wikipedia
      WEB DESIGN


TENTATIVE SCHEDULE - Likely to change - watch group website for updates

1000 AM--------------------------------------------------------------
Network1:  Asterisk VOIP - Sameer Verma
Social:    GNU & Copyright - Richard Stallman
1130 AM--------------------------------------------------------------
Network2:  Debian - Setup A WiFi Repeater
Prog Lang: Painless Python Part 1 - Alex Martelli
Database:  A Googly MySQL Cluster 
100 PM--------------------------------------------------------------
GUIs:      ? - Akademy
Distros:   git - Linus Torvalds
           ? - Debian Debconf
230 PM--------------------------------------------------------------
Business:  Web 2.0 startups - David Weekly
Education: Python on the OLPC XO Laptop
400 PM--------------------------------------------------------------
Hardware:  ? Open Moko?? - can we get someone to give a talk on this???
Pers Apps: ? Games - TeamSpeak - can we get a talk on this???
530 PM--------------------------------------------------------------
Art:       ?
WebDesign: ?


===== 4) IRC & VOIP - ProgrammingParty = VOIP this meeting  =====
If you know WiFi, internet connection sharing, IRC, or VOIP, come & help
out on getting connection sharing going for local meetings, getting IRC
up for all meetings to join, & getting VOIP going.

VOIP = everyone bring a laptop, Audio Headset & microphone, WiFi
capability, & get together with people at all meetings on group VOIP
channels.  Too many details for me to mention more here.


===== 5) Installfest - HowTo - SelfReliance = bring everything you need 
=====
Local installfests - Optional, up to local meeting organizers.  Ask
attendees to be prepared, be self reliant, bring everything they think
they'll need - HW, SW, networking, power cables, minitors, WiFi cards &
AccessPoints, blank CDs, etc.


===== 6) Ex of local meeting info: BerkeleyTIP local  =====
Check out the announcements & links here for suggestions & guidelines:
http://groups.google.com/group/berktip


=======================================================================
=======================================================================
Now: 
JOIN the BerkeleyTIP-Global MAILING LIST:
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

What questions do you have?


From driveray at ameritech.net  Fri Aug 29 10:04:50 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:04:50 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] test
Message-ID: <48B80202.3080903@ameritech.net>

test


From driveray at ameritech.net  Fri Aug 29 10:11:07 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:11:07 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] The mailing lists seem to be back
Message-ID: <48B8037B.70009@ameritech.net>

MDLUGers:

After an unexpected lapse in service it seems that the mdlug mailing 
lists are back in operation. They are, that is, if you got this in your 
mail box. If you are just reading this in the archive, then I guess I 
still have work to do on it.

Hoping we can get the chatter back to "normal"

Raymond McLaughlin
MDLUG Server-Admin


From driveray at ameritech.net  Fri Aug 29 10:18:15 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:18:15 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] President's Mail Bag - O'Reilly News for User Group Members
Message-ID: <48B80527.6030905@ameritech.net>

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From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Fri Aug 29 10:35:21 2008
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:35:21 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] The mailing lists seem to be back
In-Reply-To: <48B8037B.70009@ameritech.net>
References: <48B8037B.70009@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE06210FEB@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>

What was the outage?  Would it be necessary to re-send any messages that
didn't get through?

-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf
Of Raymond McLaughlin
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 10:11 AM
To: mdlug at mdlug.org; mdlug-admin at mdlug.org; A place for members to
discuss anything they want,subjects not appropriate for any of the other
lists.; mdlug-newbie at mdlug.org
Subject: [mdlug] The mailing lists seem to be back

MDLUGers:

After an unexpected lapse in service it seems that the mdlug mailing 
lists are back in operation. They are, that is, if you got this in your 
mail box. If you are just reading this in the archive, then I guess I 
still have work to do on it.

Hoping we can get the chatter back to "normal"

Raymond McLaughlin
MDLUG Server-Admin
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


From driveray at ameritech.net  Fri Aug 29 11:30:07 2008
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:30:07 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] The mailing lists seem to be back
In-Reply-To: <8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE06210FEB@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
References: <48B8037B.70009@ameritech.net>
	<8681A1B99F0B164D97CDA02C4E4938AE06210FEB@QL1EXVS4.mi.corp.rockfin.com>
Message-ID: <48B815FF.5060508@ameritech.net>



Wojtak, Greg wrote:
> What was the outage?

On August 14 our co-lo provider lost connectivity:
> Jay Nugent wrote:
>> Greetings Ray,
>> 
>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008, Raymond McLaughlin wrote:
>> 
>>> Jay,
>>> Please reboot the MDLUG server.
>> 
>>    My own damn fault..... I let the bill for my POTS lines run a little
>> too long and it got turned off.  Paid everything up, but the DISCO order
>> got in ahead of the RE-ACTIVATION order and the DSL got disconnected for
>> that *ONE* day that the two orders were passing each other :(
>> 
>>    Anyway, long story short, Digital Realm took this opportunity to drop
>> Covad and use AT&T for the DSL.  Since AT&T *owns* the copper there is a
>> much better chance they will re-groom (shorten) my cable-footage from the
>> Central Office and I *could* end up with a faster speed :)
>> 
>>    In the meantime Digital Realm let me place a *couple* servers in their 
>> Co-Location room in downtown Ann Arbor.  Hence the Nameserver and the 
>> Web/Mail server are now located there.  My Monitoring box and the MDLUG 
>> server had to stay behind :(
>> 
>>    Though I *did* try to get a temporary dialup connection going to supply 
>> limited bandwidth, PPPD had it in for me :(   So this is the first I've 
>> been able to check email in a couple days -- by running down to the Red 
>> Cross Communications Center and SSHing in from there.
>> 
>> 
>>    Good news is:  the new router arrived today and the DSL is supposed to
>> be turned up tomorrow (Wednesday).
>> 
>> 
>>       --- Jay
>>              
>> In response to the issue about dumbing-down Amateur Radio, a fellow Ham 
>> said:    "Would you like fries with that emergency communication?"
>> +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>> | Jay Nugent   e-mail suppressed    (734)484-5105    (734)544-4326/Fax   |
>> | Nugent Telecommunications  [www.nuge.com]     (734)649-0850/Cell       |
>> |   Internet Consulting/Linux SysAdmin/Engineering & Design/ISP Reseller |
>> | ISP Monitoring [www.ispmonitor.net] ISP & Modem Performance Monitoring |
>> | Web-Pegasus    [www.webpegasus.com] Web Hosting/DNS Hosting/Shell Accts|
>> | LinuxNIC, Inc. [www.linuxnic.net]   Registrar of the .linux TLD        |
>> +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>>  10:00pm  up 3 days, 23:46,  2 users,  load average: 0.07, 0.15, 0.15


After we got our connectivity back the mailman program received a 
backlog of meesages. As it returned to functionality it resumed 
archiving incoming messages like normal, but failed to make outbound 
connection to our smtp server. Stopping and restarting various services 
did no good. Finally I fell back to the old "If it's broke reinstall it" 
maneuver. After stopping th mailman service, doing doing "rpm -ivh 
--force" followed by an online update and a restart of the mailman 
service, it works again.

I don't know if the reinstall replaced corrupt executables or just 
reinitialized something. My understanding of the program is not as deep 
as it probably should be. I followed the documentation to install, 
configure, and start it. Once it's running I mostly just leave it alone, 
using the web interface for day to day administration tasks.

>  Would it be necessary to re-send any messages that
> didn't get through?

If it hasn't been delivered yet it probably won't be. If you want to 
resend something you can proably copy and pastr it from the web archive 
<http://mdlug.org/pipermail/mdlug/> or your own "sent" mail folder.

Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.
Raymond McLaughlin
MDLUG Server Admin


>> MDLUGers:
>> 
>> After an unexpected lapse in service it seems that the mdlug mailing 
>> lists are back in operation. They are, that is, if you got this in your 
>> mail box. If you are just reading this in the archive, then I guess I 
>> still have work to do on it.
>> 
>> Hoping we can get the chatter back to "normal"
>> 
>> Raymond McLaughlin
>> MDLUG Server-Admin


From tesral at comcast.net  Sat Aug 30 01:36:34 2008
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 01:36:34 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [penguicon-general] OT: 18 Tech / Finance jobs in
	Livonia]
Message-ID: <48B8DC62.5080002@comcast.net>

Forward without comment.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[penguicon-general] OT: 18 Tech / Finance jobs in Livonia
Date: 	Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:46:05 -0400
From: 	Steve Gutterman <stevegutterman at gmail.com>
Reply-To: 	penguicon-general at penguicon.org
To: 	stilyagi at stilyagi.org, penguicon-general at penguicon.org, 
michiganfandom <MichiganFandom at yahoogroups.com>



Pardon the off topic post, but with the economy hereabouts being the way 
it is, there's always a lot of interest in job opportunities.  My 
company (WorkForce Software) is having a gangbusters year, and as a 
result needs a *lot* of positions filled.  We've got 18 openings right 
now, and likely more to come later.  We're a time and attendance 
software company in Livonia, right at the I-275, I-96, M-14 junction, 
and only 20 minutes from Ann Arbor.  Here's what we're looking for, most 
of these positions have multiple openings:
 
  * Software implementation project managers - Good experience in 
implementation and customer managment
  * Project manager assistants - For recent college grads with little 
experience but good organizational skills, being a whiz with Excel 
macros or Visual Basic is a big plus!
  * Implementation consultants - Prior experience in analysis and 
requirements documentation, some travel required.
  * Technical implementation consultants - Requrements analysis for 
interaces and data transfer, a configuration and programming 
(SQL/Javascript) position.
  * Configuration specialists - Software configuration, you should have 
a few years of light programming, analysis, or implementation experience.
  * Support analysts - A support desk position heavy on analysis and 
problem solving. Criteria is same as the configuration specialist, 
you'll be trained that way first before moving to support.
  * Junior configuration specialist - Entry level position for college 
grads, similar to configuration specialist but in simpler areas.
  * Software trainer - Just what it says! Become a subject matter expert 
in using the application and training, quite a bit of travel.
  * Finance & marketing analyst - Background in finance or marketing 
(2-4 years) and able to assist in financial forecasting or modeling. MBA 
or equivalent experience preferred.
 
If you're interested (or want more info) please contact me directly with 
your resume at SteveGutterman <at> hotmail.com <http://hotmail.com>.  
We've finally started an employee referral bonus program, so I want the 
credit! :)  If you'd prefer to just send your resume in through our 
website at www.workforcesoftware.com 
<http://www.workforcesoftware.com/>, then be sure to use my name as the 
person that told you about the opening.  (And it WILL make a difference 
in whether your application gets looked at - they'll ask me about it.) 
 
If you think you've seen me post about jobs with this company before, 
you're right.  The company is small, but successful and growing, and we 
constantly are adding people.  Many of these jobs are for brand new 
positions we've never had before, not the same slots being recycled.
 
Thanks, and good luck!

-- 
"Don't fully trust anyone until he has stuck with a good cause which he 
saw was losing." -- Morton Blackwell's "Laws of the Public Policy Process"

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

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