From Lists at addictz.org  Sun Apr  1 01:27:52 2007
From: Lists at addictz.org (Mike)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 01:27:52 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] virtual alias table
In-Reply-To: <236143.93972.qm@web55512.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <236143.93972.qm@web55512.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <460F42D8.7000508@addictz.org>

jack freeman wrote:
> Im setting up my mail server with postfix and I am looking for a better example of of the virtual alias table then what postfixs web site has, haven a hard time following it. Im hosting for a few different domains. If anyone knows of a good example if you could send it my way.
> 
> Jack
> 

Which virtual tables are you looking for?  Are you looking for the
virtual user's table?  virtual domain table?

Here is what my virtual_alias_domains looks like:

root at Slacker2:/etc/postfix# cat virtual_alias_domains
# Virtual Alias Domains
addictzsystems.org              20050928

Here is what my virtual_alias_maps looks like:

root at Slacker2:/etc/postfix# cat virtual_alias_maps
postmaster at addictzsystems.org   mikedawg at addictz.org
abuse at addictzsystems.org        mikedawg at addictz.org
mikedawg at addictzsystems.org     mikedawg at addictz.org


From eaglecoach at wwnet.com  Sun Apr  1 11:23:56 2007
From: eaglecoach at wwnet.com (Robert Meier)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 11:23:56 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] digikam merging and sqlite3
Message-ID: <200704011523.l31FNuUf031489@freehold.wwnet.com>

Shutterbugs,

Is anyone using digikam?

Does anyone know how to merge digikam collections (root directories)?

Does anyone know how to extract/alter info in digikam.db?



I have two digikam directories, each with its own hierarchy of albums.
The photos in each are carefully captioned.

I need to combine them into one new collection without losing the captions.
If I simply copy the photos (*/*.jpg) from one collection into the other,
all the captions (in digikam.db of the source collection) are lost (do not
get inserted into digikam.db of the target collection).

I understand that digikam.db "contains an sqlite3 database", but
  bash> sqlite3 digikam.db
reports the file is either encrypted or not an sqlite3 database.

Any help appreciated,
-- 
Dr. Robert J. Meier


From mat.enders at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 15:40:35 2007
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (Mathew Enders)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 15:40:35 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New free Hispeed from Google
Message-ID: <1175456435.5999.2.camel@mobiledaddy>

Check it ou Google is offering Free High Speed access.

http://www.google.com/tisp/press.html



From rherrell at twmi.rr.com  Sun Apr  1 15:44:15 2007
From: rherrell at twmi.rr.com (Richard Herrell)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 15:44:15 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New free Hispeed from Google
In-Reply-To: <1175456435.5999.2.camel@mobiledaddy>
References: <1175456435.5999.2.camel@mobiledaddy>
Message-ID: <46100B8F.2070506@twmi.rr.com>

You realize that today is April fools day right?

Mathew Enders wrote:
> Check it ou Google is offering Free High Speed access.
>
> http://www.google.com/tisp/press.html
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>
>   



From micorral at comcast.net  Sun Apr  1 15:46:24 2007
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 15:46:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] New free Hispeed from Google
In-Reply-To: <46100B8F.2070506@twmi.rr.com>
References: <1175456435.5999.2.camel@mobiledaddy>
	<46100B8F.2070506@twmi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.0.98.0704011544100.2224@banana.sluggo.net>

2007-04-01, Monsieur Richard Herrell a ecrit:
> You realize that today is April fools day right?
>
> Mathew Enders wrote:
>> Check it ou Google is offering Free High Speed access.
>>
>> http://www.google.com/tisp/press.html

In related news, Microsoft has announced the release of
MS Office 2007 for Linux and the purchase of Canonical/Ubuntu!

Michael


From mathew.enders at prodigy.net  Sun Apr  1 17:10:46 2007
From: mathew.enders at prodigy.net (Mathew Enders)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 17:10:46 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New free Hispeed from Google
In-Reply-To: <46100B8F.2070506@twmi.rr.com>
References: <1175456435.5999.2.camel@mobiledaddy>
	<46100B8F.2070506@twmi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1175461846.5999.3.camel@mobiledaddy>

On Sun, 2007-04-01 at 15:44 -0400, Richard Herrell wrote:
> You realize that today is April fools day right?
> 

Yes but the real question was did you?



From mat.enders at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 17:24:16 2007
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (Mathew Enders)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 17:24:16 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] WOW Gmail is also offering paper archiving!!
Message-ID: <1175462656.5999.6.camel@mobiledaddy>

	Will Google never stop with all of these free features.

<https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=mail&passive=true&rm=false&continue=http%3A%2F%2Fmail.google.com%2Fmail%3Fui%3Dhtml%26zy%3Dl&ltmpl=paper_tlsosm_t&ltmplcache=2>



From peter at petertheplumber.net  Sun Apr  1 19:00:53 2007
From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 19:00:53 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New free Hispeed from Google
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.98.0704011544100.2224@banana.sluggo.net>
References: <1175456435.5999.2.camel@mobiledaddy>
	<46100B8F.2070506@twmi.rr.com>
	<alpine.LFD.0.98.0704011544100.2224@banana.sluggo.net>
Message-ID: <1175468453.4572.11.camel@plumber.site>

On Sun, 2007-04-01 at 15:46 -0400, Michael Corral wrote:
> 2007-04-01, Monsieur Richard Herrell a ecrit:
> > You realize that today is April fools day right?
> >
> > Mathew Enders wrote:
> >> Check it ou Google is offering Free High Speed access.
> >>
> >> http://www.google.com/tisp/press.html
> 
> In related news, Microsoft has announced the release of
> MS Office 2007 for Linux and the purchase of Canonical/Ubuntu!

Finally, my fiendish, devilishly simple plan for world domination takes
shape!!!!

Peter Bart <peter at petertheplumber.net>
http://petertheplumber.net



From dobwan at earthlink.net  Sun Apr  1 21:10:24 2007
From: dobwan at earthlink.net (Duane Brown)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 21:10:24 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New free Hispeed from Google
In-Reply-To: <1175468453.4572.11.camel@plumber.site>
References: <1175456435.5999.2.camel@mobiledaddy>	<46100B8F.2070506@twmi.rr.com>	<alpine.LFD.0.98.0704011544100.2224@banana.sluggo.net>
	<1175468453.4572.11.camel@plumber.site>
Message-ID: <46105800.8000009@earthlink.net>


>>> You realize that today is April fools day right?
>>>       
>>>> Check it ou Google is offering Free High Speed access.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.google.com/tisp/press.html
>>>>         
>> In related news, Microsoft has announced the release of
>> MS Office 2007 for Linux and the purchase of Canonical/Ubuntu!
>>     
>
> Finally, my fiendish, devilishly simple plan for world domination takes
> shape!!!!
>
> Peter Bart <peter at petertheplumber.net>
> http://petertheplumber.net
I assume you are referring to the professional installation option, 
right? I ordered mine when should I expect you?

Duane

PS I'd just done a google search and saw this. I thought it was such a 
clever joke I forwarded it to family and friends. Then I realized some 
of them would think this was a real product, specifically one of my 
siblings.


From peter at petertheplumber.net  Sun Apr  1 21:26:59 2007
From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 21:26:59 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New free Hispeed from Google
In-Reply-To: <46105800.8000009@earthlink.net>
References: <1175456435.5999.2.camel@mobiledaddy>
	<46100B8F.2070506@twmi.rr.com>
	<alpine.LFD.0.98.0704011544100.2224@banana.sluggo.net>
	<1175468453.4572.11.camel@plumber.site>
	<46105800.8000009@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1175477219.4572.18.camel@plumber.site>

On Sun, 2007-04-01 at 21:10 -0400, Duane Brown wrote:
> >>> You realize that today is April fools day right?
> >>>       
> >>>> Check it ou Google is offering Free High Speed access.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.google.com/tisp/press.html
> >>>>         
> >> In related news, Microsoft has announced the release of
> >> MS Office 2007 for Linux and the purchase of Canonical/Ubuntu!
> >>     
> >
> > Finally, my fiendish, devilishly simple plan for world domination takes
> > shape!!!!
> >
> > Peter Bart <peter at petertheplumber.net>
> > http://petertheplumber.net
> I assume you are referring to the professional installation option, 
> right? I ordered mine when should I expect you?
> 
> Duane
> 
> PS I'd just done a google search and saw this. I thought it was such a 
> clever joke I forwarded it to family and friends. Then I realized some 
> of them would think this was a real product, specifically one of my 
> siblings.

Duane,
	We'll be there right after coffee break................... As for the
sibling part, I would have to second that with several family members.
It was just too funny to pass up on, very well done with legitimate
links sprinkled throughout and I thought for a few seconds of sending
this to my customers. So I sent it to my suppliers instead.
-- 
Peter Bart <peter at petertheplumber.net>
http://petertheplumber.net
Factory Trained TiSP Installer



From radkins at impelind.com  Mon Apr  2 08:12:53 2007
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 08:12:53 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Hey Look! A new "darling" distro...
In-Reply-To: <460D72DD.5030402@comcast.net>
References: <460D5A2C.1020103@impelind.com> <460D72DD.5030402@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4610F345.10205@impelind.com>

Garry Stahl wrote:
> Robert Adkins wrote:
>   
>>    ..on the block.
>>
>>     To get back to an earlier conversation topic:
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>>     
> Easy eh?  I want bomb proof.  I want something I can give my Pop and he
> cannot break.  Idiot proof is too much to ask, but Idiot resistant would
> be a nice thing.
>
> Better Pop should be able to change things like printers and monitors
> without breaking it. 
>   
    I'm looking at setting up something for my pop. He's completely 
computer illiterate and hosed a Win2K no-rights profile in less than 8 
hours while looking up stuff about Harley-Davidson Motorcycles.

    My plan is to write up a few scripts to restore default settings at 
every login, while maintaining any bookmarks and certain settings 
changes, like wallpaper and or desktop themes, if he decides to play 
with those. I am thinking of going with XFCE4 as a base, since it is 
fairly simple. He'll only need a web browser for the most part, so the 
simpler the desktop, the fewer straight in front of him options, the better.

    -Rob


From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Mon Apr  2 09:23:52 2007
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:23:52 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Vista DRM hurts Linux?
In-Reply-To: <460C3A43.8070404@hotpop.com>
Message-ID: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CBA@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>


> From: Aaron Kulkis

> But with the DRM thing, they HAVE to do it..because they made
> promises to the Hollywood crowd that they will take action
> against all "offending" hardware.... they've pretty well screwed
> themselves, because they've placed themselves under legally
> binding contracts to disable the hardware at Hollywood's behest.

 MS has betrayed every business partner they've ever had, so far as I know.
Why should Hollywood be different? I'll bet there's plenty of wiggle room
in those contracts.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                                 (313) 227-2317

 "So when it comes to sacrifice [after 9/11], don't kid yourself. You have
 given up a lot. You've given up faith in your government's honesty, the
 goodwill of people overseas, and six-tenths of the Bill of Rights. Here's
 what you've sacrificed: search and seizure, warrants, self-incrimination,
 trial by jury, cruel and unusual punishment. Here's what you have left:
 hand guns, religion, and they can't make you quarter a British soldier."
                             - Bill Maher
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From wolfger at gmail.com  Mon Apr  2 10:33:16 2007
From: wolfger at gmail.com (Wolfger)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:33:16 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] digikam merging and sqlite3
In-Reply-To: <200704011523.l31FNuUf031489@freehold.wwnet.com>
References: <200704011523.l31FNuUf031489@freehold.wwnet.com>
Message-ID: <3b00b3330704020733j516b4fe8m3a77be16b84316dd@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/1/07, Robert Meier <eaglecoach at wwnet.com> wrote:
>
> Shutterbugs,
>
> Is anyone using digikam?
> Does anyone know how to merge digikam collections (root directories)?
> Does anyone know how to extract/alter info in digikam.db?
>

Yes, no, and no. Sorry.


-- 
Wolfger
http://randomsynapsefiring.eponym.com/
AOL IM: wolf4coyot
Yahoo!Messenger: wolfgersilberbaer
Skype: wolfger88
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From tesral at comcast.net  Mon Apr  2 12:21:49 2007
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:21:49 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Hey Look! A new "darling" distro...
In-Reply-To: <4610F345.10205@impelind.com>
References: <460D5A2C.1020103@impelind.com> <460D72DD.5030402@comcast.net>
	<4610F345.10205@impelind.com>
Message-ID: <46112D9D.6060609@comcast.net>

Robert Adkins wrote:
>     I'm looking at setting up something for my pop. He's completely 
> computer illiterate and hosed a Win2K no-rights profile in less than 8 
> hours while looking up stuff about Harley-Davidson Motorcycles.
>   

Let's face it, windows, any version, is not hard to hose.  As long as
the windows developer community treats security as "not my problem" it
will remain easy to hose.  Add the back doors microsloth puts in their
own software and you don't find that much hose in a fire house.

The beauty of Linux is the fact you can customize the desktop and the
login account to the skills of the user.  You can lock it up tighter
than th 90 year-old nun in a virtual convent, give them root, or
anything in between.

But I'm preaching to the choir here.  I guess my "darling distro" is
Lego Linux.  Clear instructions and a modular install that someone
without a clue can successfully install.  Too many distros I have
encountered are ambiguous about aspects of the install process.  You are
given options, and if you do not come to the install with certain
knowledge the direction to choose is not at all clear.

Unbuntu is at least decent about that.  However the resulting install is
like windows.  One size fits all.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn Http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com



From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Mon Apr  2 14:17:09 2007
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:17:09 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Microsoft flubs the World Cup in Cricket
Message-ID: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CBF@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>


  http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/1344/1/

 Well, okay, technically it wasn't their *direct* fault, but... :->

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                               (313) 227-2317

 "[W]hen people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong. When people
 thought the earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that
 thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth
   is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together."
                           - Isaac Asimov
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From akulkis3 at hotpop.com  Mon Apr  2 17:48:41 2007
From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 01:48:41 +0400
Subject: [mdlug] Vista DRM hurts Linux?
In-Reply-To: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CBA@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CBA@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <46117A39.9000607@hotpop.com>

Ingles, Raymond wrote:
>> From: Aaron Kulkis
> 
>> But with the DRM thing, they HAVE to do it..because they made
>> promises to the Hollywood crowd that they will take action
>> against all "offending" hardware.... they've pretty well screwed
>> themselves, because they've placed themselves under legally
>> binding contracts to disable the hardware at Hollywood's behest.
> 
>  MS has betrayed every business partner they've ever had, so far as I know.
> Why should Hollywood be different? I'll bet there's plenty of wiggle room
> in those contracts.

Because they can keep paying lawyers for as long as MS can, maybe
even longer.

Gates and Company are going to rue the day they climbed into bed
with, shall we say, if not the harlotry of Hollywood, the pimps who
push them.




From glarb at comcast.net  Tue Apr  3 01:52:03 2007
From: glarb at comcast.net (Grant)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 01:52:03 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Vista DRM hurts Linux?
In-Reply-To: <46117A39.9000607@hotpop.com>
References: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CBA@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<46117A39.9000607@hotpop.com>
Message-ID: <1175579523.21717.83.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 01:48 +0400, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> Ingles, Raymond wrote:
> >> From: Aaron Kulkis
> > 
> >> But with the DRM thing, they HAVE to do it..because they made
> >> promises to the Hollywood crowd that they will take action
> >> against all "offending" hardware.... they've pretty well screwed
> >> themselves, because they've placed themselves under legally
> >> binding contracts to disable the hardware at Hollywood's behest.
> > 
> >  MS has betrayed every business partner they've ever had, so far as I know.
> > Why should Hollywood be different? I'll bet there's plenty of wiggle room
> > in those contracts.
> 
> Because they can keep paying lawyers for as long as MS can, maybe
> even longer.
> 
> Gates and Company are going to rue the day they climbed into bed
> with, shall we say, if not the harlotry of Hollywood, the pimps who
> push them.
This could be fun to watch.
Hollywood and the record industry surviving their customer base giving
them the greasy middle digit by sucking micosloth dry of every last
asset.  Bill, can you say "Would you like fries with that?"

Now that I think about it, I can't recall hearing anything about the
RIAA going after anyone lately.  Perhaps they've reconsidered the wisdom
of that move.  No, that can't be it.




From mpr_linux at ameritech.net  Tue Apr  3 08:15:07 2007
From: mpr_linux at ameritech.net (Michael Rudas (computer))
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 05:15:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Vista DRM hurts Linux?
In-Reply-To: <1175579523.21717.83.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <138192.35460.qm@web80613.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- Grant <glarb at comcast.net> wrote:

> ... Now that I think about it, I can't
> recall hearing anything about the
> RIAA going after anyone lately.  Perhaps
>  they've reconsidered the wisdom
> of that move.  No, that can't be it.

I just wish it WERE true.  They may have a slightly
lower profile, but they are just as clueless and
brutish as ever.  See:

<http://consumerist.com/consumer/worst-company-in-america/>

-- Mikey



From rrclark at rrclark.net  Tue Apr  3 11:12:25 2007
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (Rich Clark <rrclark@rrclark.net>)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:12:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Hey Look! A new "darling" distro...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0703301511080.4064@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
References: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0703301511080.4064@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.0.81.0704031111410.8045@rich.rrclark.net>

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Michael Corral wrote:

> Robert Adkins a ecrit:
> > <http://linux.go2linux.org/node/45>
> 
> Hah, if the creator of this "Ulteo" thinks he has the "easiest"
> Linux in the world, then he clearly has never used Slackware!
> 
> Is this Gael Duval guy another billionaire on an ego trip to
> help us downtrodden common folk use Linux?

He's the guy who created the Mandrake distro, and then got booted from the 
company after he relinquished control to financial interests.


From mdlug at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr  3 13:42:59 2007
From: mdlug at sbcglobal.net (Dean Durant)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:42:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] badblocks question
Message-ID: <72932.72220.qm@web81810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello, I have run badblocks on some IBM eSeries blades
that I need to get fixed.   It reports about 2 million
bad blocks on an 80 GB disk.   IBM has me run their
diagnostics and they don't find anything.  I have run
fsck and it finds and fixes some filesystem issues,
but the bad blocks persist.   Is there anything else I
can do, and do people think it is a hardware issue, a
bad disk, or a filesystem issue?   Thanks, Dean


From jmtaylor90 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  3 13:57:25 2007
From: jmtaylor90 at gmail.com (Jason Taylor)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:57:25 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] badblocks question
In-Reply-To: <72932.72220.qm@web81810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <72932.72220.qm@web81810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1175623045.10977.9.camel@buster.blogdns.net>

If the server hasn't had any recent dirty shutdowns, power fluctuations,
etc. then I would lean to a hardware issue.

-Jason

On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 10:42 -0700, Dean Durant wrote:
> Hello, I have run badblocks on some IBM eSeries blades
> that I need to get fixed.   It reports about 2 million
> bad blocks on an 80 GB disk.   IBM has me run their
> diagnostics and they don't find anything.  I have run
> fsck and it finds and fixes some filesystem issues,
> but the bad blocks persist.   Is there anything else I
> can do, and do people think it is a hardware issue, a
> bad disk, or a filesystem issue?   Thanks, Dean
> _______________________________________________
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> mdlug at mdlug.org
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From radkins at impelind.com  Tue Apr  3 15:01:30 2007
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:01:30 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] badblocks question
In-Reply-To: <1175623045.10977.9.camel@buster.blogdns.net>
References: <72932.72220.qm@web81810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1175623045.10977.9.camel@buster.blogdns.net>
Message-ID: <4612A48A.3050805@impelind.com>

    Get into orbit and nuke the place, it's the only way to be sure...

    Er... uh, wrong suggestion.

    Get new HDs, copy over the data, put them in place of the old HDs 
and retire the drives with the bad blocks. It's one way to be really 
sure and safe. (You can try reformatting the "bad blocks" drives after 
replacing them.)

    -Rob

Jason Taylor wrote:
> If the server hasn't had any recent dirty shutdowns, power fluctuations,
> etc. then I would lean to a hardware issue.
>
> -Jason
>
> On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 10:42 -0700, Dean Durant wrote:
>   
>> Hello, I have run badblocks on some IBM eSeries blades
>> that I need to get fixed.   It reports about 2 million
>> bad blocks on an 80 GB disk.   IBM has me run their
>> diagnostics and they don't find anything.  I have run
>> fsck and it finds and fixes some filesystem issues,
>> but the bad blocks persist.   Is there anything else I
>> can do, and do people think it is a hardware issue, a
>> bad disk, or a filesystem issue?   Thanks, Dean
>> _______________________________________________
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From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Tue Apr  3 15:44:24 2007
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:44:24 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quanta launches ultra-low-cost PCs
Message-ID: <b02c40e90704031244r46f3899di2ffc4c0d08ffd593@mail.gmail.com>

Quanta Computer, the world's largest manufacturer of notebook
computers, will start making ultra-low-cost computers that could be
sold in developed markets for as little as $200 this year or the next,
according to its president.

The Taiwanese contract manufacturer is already producing a laptop
developed by Massachusetts Institute of Technology researchers that
will be distributed to children in third-world countries ? under a
non-profit project called One Laptop Per Child ? for as little as
$150.

But Michael Wang, Quanta's president, said on Tuesday that the
concepts developed through the OLPC project could be applied to create
commercially viable machines that are cheaper than anything on the
market so far.

www.ft.com/cms/s/6d086a62-dcb3-11db-a21d-000b5df10621.html


From set at pobox.com  Tue Apr  3 16:01:20 2007
From: set at pobox.com (Paul)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:01:20 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] badblocks question
In-Reply-To: <1175623045.10977.9.camel@buster.blogdns.net>
References: <72932.72220.qm@web81810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1175623045.10977.9.camel@buster.blogdns.net>
Message-ID: <20070403200119.GL7109@squish.home.loc>

Jason Taylor <jmtaylor90 at gmail.com>, on Tue Apr 03, 2007 [01:57:25 PM] said:
> If the server hasn't had any recent dirty shutdowns, power fluctuations,
> etc. then I would lean to a hardware issue.
> 
> -Jason
> 
> On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 10:42 -0700, Dean Durant wrote:
> > Hello, I have run badblocks on some IBM eSeries blades
> > that I need to get fixed.   It reports about 2 million
> > bad blocks on an 80 GB disk.   IBM has me run their
> > diagnostics and they don't find anything.  I have run
> > fsck and it finds and fixes some filesystem issues,
> > but the bad blocks persist.   Is there anything else I
> > can do, and do people think it is a hardware issue, a
> > bad disk, or a filesystem issue?   Thanks, Dean

	Hi;

	smartctl is the tool you want to use to determine if
there are hardware problems with your disk. badblocks is a tool
more suited to disks from the ancient past. ext2/3 has legacy
support for mapping out bad blocks (see the -c option to e2fsck)
but a modern disk shouldnt have any bad sectors visible; the
drive should be mapping them out. In general if you see bad
sectors, the disk is toast. I cant vouch for your use of
badblocks, but it generally just tries to read chunks of disk,
and if it experiences an i/o error, deems the block bad. In that
case, I would expect your kernel logs to be overflowing with
these errors.
	Disk is cheap.

Paul
set at pobox.com


From glarb at comcast.net  Wed Apr  4 09:45:21 2007
From: glarb at comcast.net (Grant)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 09:45:21 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] badblocks question
In-Reply-To: <4612A48A.3050805@impelind.com>
References: <72932.72220.qm@web81810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1175623045.10977.9.camel@buster.blogdns.net>
	<4612A48A.3050805@impelind.com>
Message-ID: <1175694321.21709.126.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 15:01 -0400, Robert Adkins wrote:
>     Get into orbit and nuke the place, it's the only way to be sure...
> 
>     Er... uh, wrong suggestion.
> 
>     Get new HDs, copy over the data, put them in place of the old HDs 
> and retire the drives with the bad blocks. It's one way to be really 
> sure and safe. (You can try reformatting the "bad blocks" drives after 
> replacing them.)
> 
>     -Rob
> 
> Jason Taylor wrote:
> > If the server hasn't had any recent dirty shutdowns, power fluctuations,
> > etc. then I would lean to a hardware issue.
> >
> > -Jason
> >
> > On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 10:42 -0700, Dean Durant wrote:
> >   
> >> Hello, I have run badblocks on some IBM eSeries blades
> >> that I need to get fixed.   It reports about 2 million
> >> bad blocks on an 80 GB disk.   IBM has me run their
> >> diagnostics and they don't find anything.  I have run
> >> fsck and it finds and fixes some filesystem issues,
> >> but the bad blocks persist.   Is there anything else I
> >> can do, and do people think it is a hardware issue, a
> >> bad disk, or a filesystem issue?   Thanks, Dean

May want to check the power supply before replacing drives.

About 2 years ago, I had two drives die about 3 months apart. Both where
primary slave of same machine (original disk and its replacement). When
the second disk died I considered that it could be a symptom and not the
cause. To make a short story shorter, it was the PSU. I cracked it open
and found a scorched resistor on a soot marked corner of the board. The
part I found interesting was that this PSU still appeared to work.
(Voltages were off, 12.16v instead of 11.5-11.8)

-- 
Grant



From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 11:37:37 2007
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:37:37 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Windows Vista marketing 'deceived' consumers
Message-ID: <b02c40e90704040837h1b05832t189f4aa808332f8b@mail.gmail.com>

Microsoft has been accused of deceiving US consumers by marketing PCs
as "Windows Vista Capable" when they could only run the most basic
version of its latest operating system.

A US lawsuit filed today claims Microsoft overstated the ability of
PCs to run Windows Vista, and that an upgrade program added insult to
injury by giving users access to Windows Vista Home Basic that lacked
many of the advertised features.

www.channelregister.co.uk/2007/04/04/windows_vista_marketing_deception/


From bobdion at starline-ent.com  Wed Apr  4 11:59:05 2007
From: bobdion at starline-ent.com (bob dion)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:59:05 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Vinyl to digital
In-Reply-To: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33C8C@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33C8C@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <4613CB49.4060801@starline-ent.com>

Ingles, Raymond wrote:
>  Well, I took a vacation day yesterday. We're making room for a new baby,
> so we reorganized the basement storage, and, well, the turntable was dug
> out, and...
> 
>  I was mostly successful in digitizing things. My main problem... I couldn't
> capture properly. My sound card is an SB Live Value, and I've done it before,
> but this time it gave me fits. I played with alsamixer, the Gnome mixer, etc.
> While I could *hear* a stereo signal through the computer speakers and/or
> headphones, I could only capture one channel. When I played with the mixer,
> there were two stereo capture entries - but one appeared to cover the left
> channel, and one got the right. Audacity only recorded the 'left' one.
> Anyone run into that before?
> 

On Sunday I ran into this same issue trying to tape from a cassette deck 
running Mepis 6.0. Both Audacity & Gramofile would only record the Left 
channel.
Last night in Audacity I checked the preferences - audio/io and changed 
it from 1 channel Mono to 2 channel stereo. I also played around with 
settings in Kmixer and was able to record in stereo both in audacity & 
Gramofile. But I'm not sure what setting made this work. Sorry I can't 
be more helpful, but it's a start.

BD


From radkins at impelind.com  Wed Apr  4 11:59:12 2007
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:59:12 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Windows Vista marketing 'deceived' consumers
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e90704040837h1b05832t189f4aa808332f8b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b02c40e90704040837h1b05832t189f4aa808332f8b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4613CB50.7020008@impelind.com>

It will be very interesting to see how this plays out.

Do we, as the consumer market, still have rights, as citizens, to 
certain protections provided both by laws and legal precedents in such 
cases or will Microsoft find a way to shred through this legal issue?

-Rob

Jeff Hanson wrote:
> Microsoft has been accused of deceiving US consumers by marketing PCs
> as "Windows Vista Capable" when they could only run the most basic
> version of its latest operating system.
>
> A US lawsuit filed today claims Microsoft overstated the ability of
> PCs to run Windows Vista, and that an upgrade program added insult to
> injury by giving users access to Windows Vista Home Basic that lacked
> many of the advertised features.
>
> www.channelregister.co.uk/2007/04/04/windows_vista_marketing_deception/
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>   


From bobdion at starline-ent.com  Wed Apr  4 12:06:57 2007
From: bobdion at starline-ent.com (bob dion)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:06:57 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Windows Vista marketing 'deceived' consumers
In-Reply-To: <4613CB50.7020008@impelind.com>
References: <b02c40e90704040837h1b05832t189f4aa808332f8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4613CB50.7020008@impelind.com>
Message-ID: <4613CD21.2040705@starline-ent.com>

Robert Adkins wrote:
> It will be very interesting to see how this plays out.
> 
> Do we, as the consumer market, still have rights, as citizens, to 
> certain protections provided both by laws and legal precedents in such 
> cases or will Microsoft find a way to shred through this legal issue?
> 
> -Rob
> 

I see more federal Judges losing their jobs if they start leaning in 
favor of us consumers.

BD


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 12:17:57 2007
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:17:57 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] UFO excuse fails as hacker is sent to US to stand trial
Message-ID: <b02c40e90704040917q47bd7f04x3e8041506a0a54@mail.gmail.com>

GARY McKinnon, the Scot accused by US authorities of carrying out the
"biggest military computer hack of all time", yesterday lost his High
Court bid to avoid extradition, triggering a flurry of messages of
support from the online community.

The 41-year-old could spend the rest of his life behind bars if he is
found guilty of gaining access to some 97 military and NASA computers
in the United States from his bedroom in a North London house.

news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=516882007


From wolfger at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 13:14:13 2007
From: wolfger at gmail.com (Wolfger)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:14:13 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] UFO excuse fails as hacker is sent to US to stand trial
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e90704040917q47bd7f04x3e8041506a0a54@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b02c40e90704040917q47bd7f04x3e8041506a0a54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b00b3330704041014m7f3eb895s5de69bbecdf68a81@mail.gmail.com>

I believe he will hang, for embarrassing our military so. The real news
story, of course, is how he managed to access 97 of what *should* be the
most secure computers in the world. But that bit gets hushed.

On 4/4/07, Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> GARY McKinnon, the Scot accused by US authorities of carrying out the
> "biggest military computer hack of all time", yesterday lost his High
> Court bid to avoid extradition, triggering a flurry of messages of
> support from the online community.
>
> The 41-year-old could spend the rest of his life behind bars if he is
> found guilty of gaining access to some 97 military and NASA computers
> in the United States from his bedroom in a North London house.
>
> news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=516882007
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>



-- 
Wolfger
http://wolfger.wordpress.com/
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Yahoo!Messenger: wolfgersilberbaer
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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Wed Apr  4 14:21:42 2007
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:21:42 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Vinyl to digital
In-Reply-To: <4613CB49.4060801@starline-ent.com>
Message-ID: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CC6@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>


> From: bob dion

> On Sunday I ran into this same issue trying to tape from a cassette deck 
> running Mepis 6.0.

 I didn't know there were cassete decks that ran Linux! Sweet! :->

> Last night in Audacity I checked the preferences - audio/io and changed 
> it from 1 channel Mono to 2 channel stereo. I also played around with 
> settings in Kmixer and was able to record in stereo both in audacity & 
> Gramofile. But I'm not sure what setting made this work. 
> Sorry I can't be more helpful, but it's a start.

 Thanks for the positive report. I'm going to do some more experimentation
at some point. What with leasing a van, being sick yesterday, the start of
baseball practice, and so forth... well, it hasn't been a priority.

 But it looks like a few other people ran into this:

 https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=1658

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                               (313) 227-2317

 "[W]hen people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong. When people
 thought the earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that
 thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth
   is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together."
                           - Isaac Asimov
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From jerf at jerf.org  Wed Apr  4 14:17:58 2007
From: jerf at jerf.org (Jeremy Bowers)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:17:58 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] UFO excuse fails as hacker is sent to US to stand trial
In-Reply-To: <3b00b3330704041014m7f3eb895s5de69bbecdf68a81@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b02c40e90704040917q47bd7f04x3e8041506a0a54@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b00b3330704041014m7f3eb895s5de69bbecdf68a81@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4613EBD6.4060700@jerf.org>

Wolfger wrote:
> I believe he will hang, for embarrassing our military so. The real 
> news story, of course, is how he managed to access 97 of what *should* 
> be the most secure computers in the world. But that bit gets hushed.
If the military was ten times more secure than the average corporation 
of equal size, which I will define as "having 1/10th the 
vulnerabilities", just to be concrete, they'd still be riddled through 
with holes. And military targets are just about the only things that can 
draw more hacking resources to it than credit card databases.

Ultimately, this doesn't prove much because unless the hacked computers 
were supposed to be physically unconnected to the internet, even if 
everybody performed perfectly competently he still might have gotten in, 
via unpublished vulnerabilities, or even ones he found himself.

(Note this is in the form of a conditional statement; it does not 
actually contain any claims about the actual security level of our 
military.)

The real story here is and remains that our software is so insecure, and 
perhaps equally that our brains are so insecure (people do bad things 
like giving out their passwords for chocolate all the time),  that even 
an organization with all the motivation you could want and pretty much 
all the resources you could want still can't seem to secure their 
systems. At some point, the question of whether somebody "screwed up" 
ceases mattering; even if your admin was 99% perfect (unrealistic), the 
number of opportunities for screwing up guarantees that at least one 
screwup will occur.

*Of course* the actual entry techniques will be hushed. Very few 
commercial companies come completely clean either, even without national 
security excuses/reasons. I don't think this justifies any particularly 
unusual responses because it's the dreaded military.


From mat.enders at gmail.com  Thu Apr  5 10:07:16 2007
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (Mathew Enders)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:07:16 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] OT: MDLUG virtual room party at Pengiuicon
Message-ID: <1175782036.5999.19.camel@mobiledaddy>

To all who had discussed this at the last meeting.  Due to an unexpected
and costly vehicle repair bill I will not be able to pull this off.
Sorry for any disapiontment if any one else wants to run with it feel
free.



From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Thu Apr  5 10:20:32 2007
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:20:32 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] OT: Job Opening
Message-ID: <C23A7DF0.2FB90%GregWojtak@quickenloans.com>

Hey LUGgers,

We are looking for another UNIX Engineer here at Quicken Loans.  Primary
focus will be HP and IBM background is also desired.  Anyone interested,
drop me a line off-list and I?ll fill you in on the details.  greg wojtak at
quicken loans dot com

no spaces in that e-mail addy, obviously.

Greg
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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Thu Apr  5 14:20:59 2007
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:20:59 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] GPS suggestions
Message-ID: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CD1@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>


 Our ten-year wedding anniversary is coming up in May, and we have a good
relationship. I get gadgets and she gets jewelry. :->

 I'm looking for a good GPS unit, and hoping for suggestions or pointers
for good, current information.

 Must-haves:

  - Bluetooth connectivity so it can talk to my Palm Treo
  - Fast signal acquisition (time-to-fix), ideally from both cold
    and hot start (the old GPS unit I had for my old Palm could take
    up to *twenty minutes* if it was started cold)
  - Good battery life

 Nice-to-haves:

  - Display
  - Extra storage, ideally by SD card or similar
  - Driving directions, voice prompts

 My budget is up to ~$350 or so, but I'd prefer less than that.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                           (313) 227-2317

 "A person is just about as big as the things that make them angry."
                           - Anonymous
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From akulkis3 at hotpop.com  Thu Apr  5 15:36:05 2007
From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:36:05 +0400
Subject: [mdlug] GPS suggestions
In-Reply-To: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CD1@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CD1@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <46154FA5.60900@hotpop.com>

Ingles, Raymond wrote:
>  Our ten-year wedding anniversary is coming up in May, and we have a good
> relationship. I get gadgets and she gets jewelry. :->
> 
>  I'm looking for a good GPS unit, and hoping for suggestions or pointers
> for good, current information.
> 
>  Must-haves:
> 
>   - Bluetooth connectivity so it can talk to my Palm Treo
>   - Fast signal acquisition (time-to-fix), ideally from both cold
>     and hot start (the old GPS unit I had for my old Palm could take
>     up to *twenty minutes* if it was started cold)
>   - Good battery life
> 

First generations GPS units used by the army typically take
3-5 minutes from power-on to acquiring 5 satellites; that's
using an external antenna, mounted on a vehicle, with a
fixed, appropriate (horizontal) orientation.  I'm not sure
exactly what the antenna looks like, as it is contained
within a shell -- I tried to break open one that went bad,
and had no luck... any stronger force used to break it
open will destroy the antenna elements hidden inside.

I can't talk about the latest generation GPS units, other
than to say that they are better than the 1st generation.

>  Nice-to-haves:
> 
>   - Display
>   - Extra storage, ideally by SD card or similar
>   - Driving directions, voice prompts
> 
>  My budget is up to ~$350 or so, but I'd prefer less than that.
> 
>  Sincerely,
> 
>  Ray Ingles                                           (313) 227-2317
> 
>  "A person is just about as big as the things that make them angry."
>                            - Anonymous
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From bobdion at starline-ent.com  Thu Apr  5 16:19:59 2007
From: bobdion at starline-ent.com (bob dion)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:19:59 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] GPS suggestions
In-Reply-To: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CD1@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CD1@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <461559EF.9000105@starline-ent.com>

Ingles, Raymond wrote:
>  Our ten-year wedding anniversary is coming up in May, and we have a good
> relationship. I get gadgets and she gets jewelry. :->
> 
>  I'm looking for a good GPS unit, and hoping for suggestions or pointers
> for good, current information.
> 
>  Must-haves:
> 
>   - Bluetooth connectivity so it can talk to my Palm Treo
>   - Fast signal acquisition (time-to-fix), ideally from both cold
>     and hot start (the old GPS unit I had for my old Palm could take
>     up to *twenty minutes* if it was started cold)
>   - Good battery life
> 
>  Nice-to-haves:
> 
>   - Display
>   - Extra storage, ideally by SD card or similar
>   - Driving directions, voice prompts
> 
>  My budget is up to ~$350 or so, but I'd prefer less than that.
> 


Speaking of GPS
http://space.com/scienceastronomy/070404_radio_bursts.html

BD


From driveray at ameritech.net  Thu Apr  5 15:31:23 2007
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:31:23 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] FWD: MUG meeting 6:30 PM Tue 4-10 Farmington Hill Library
Message-ID: <46154E8B.4060204@ameritech.net>


 Our Next MUG <http://www.mug.org/twiki/bin/view/Mugwiki/WebHome>
 Meeting is Tuesday, April 10, 2007 at 6:30PM.


     Main Topic: Systems for tracking support requests or developer bugs

Our speakers are:

   * */Erick Tyack/* : RT (http://bestpractical.com/rt)
   * */Mark Ramm/* : Trac (http://trac.edgewall.org/)
   * */Rick Harding/* : Mantis (http://www.mantisbt.org/)

Our speakers will go over the features and drawbacks of three different
bug/support trackers each in a different programming language. Find out
which one can solve your needs in your own office.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

If you have topics for future meetings you would like us to cover please
email the board <mailto:board at mug.org>, thanks.

------------------------------------------------------------------------


     Where:

The MUG meetings are held at:

Farmington Community Library - Main Branch <http://www.farmlib.org>
32737 W. 12 Mile Rd.
Farmington Hills, MI 48334-3302

Click here
<http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&addtohistory=&formtype=address&searchtype=address&cat=&address=32737%20W%2012%20Mile%20Rd&city=Farmington%20Hills&state=MI&zipcode=48334%2d3302&searchtab=home>
for a map of the area.


     When:

the meetings are on the 2nd Tuesday of each month.

6:00pm     Doors open, registration
6:30pm     Meeting starts, Mug business
6:45pm     Main presentation
8:15pm     2nd Presentation
8:45pm     Meeting adjourns
9:00pm     Dinner at a local establishment


From eaglecoach at wwnet.com  Thu Apr  5 19:55:58 2007
From: eaglecoach at wwnet.com (Robert Meier)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:55:58 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] GPS suggestions
In-Reply-To: <46154FA5.60900@hotpop.com> (message from Aaron Kulkis on Thu, 05
	Apr 2007 23:36:05 +0400)
References: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CD1@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<46154FA5.60900@hotpop.com>
Message-ID: <200704052355.l35Ntwep027395@freehold.wwnet.com>

Ray,

[redirected to mdlug-discuss]

>  I'm looking for a good GPS unit, and hoping for suggestions or pointers
> for good, current information.

The most popular GPS receiver for MiGO geocachers is the Garmin ETrex.

In 2004, the Metropark Geocaching Adventure picnic included a closest
to pin contest (i.e. who placed a flag closest to precisely measured
point.)  After their experience in prior years, they had two categories
Garmin users, and Magellan users.  The Garmins were all clumped within
about 20ft.  The Magellans were spread over about 60ft.

>  Must-haves:
> 
>   - Bluetooth connectivity so it can talk to my Palm Treo

I understand several Etrex models are bluetooth enabled.

>   - Fast signal acquisition (time-to-fix), ideally from both cold
>     and hot start (the old GPS unit I had for my old Palm could take
>     up to *twenty minutes* if it was started cold)

There should be three levels of acquisition:
(2 should be the most common.)
      1. The GPS unit has not been significantly moved from where it
           last locked on the satellites, and the time since it was last
	   locked was short enough.
	 The GPS unit estimates state sufficiently to immediately
	   acquire the signals.
	 The Kalman filter (i.e. generalized phase-lock-loop) simply
	   converges normally.
	 This should take only 15-120 seconds depending on satellite
	   configuration, atmospheric distortion, and local environment
	   distortion.

      2. The GPS unit cannot immediately acquire the signals.
         The GPS memory still holds the correct ephemeride
	   (i.e. table of satellite orbital parameters).
	 The GPS receiver uses hueristic sampling to lock onto
	   the signals and then begins the Kalman filter.
	 This should take about 3-10 minutes depending on luck
	   of hueristics.

      3. The Kalman filter fails to converge or the ephemeride mismatches.
	 GPS unit's ephemeride is obsolete.
         The GPS must wait until the satellites transmit the ephemeride,
	   then start the Kalman filter.
	 This should take ~30 minutes since the ephemeride is only
	   transmitted about every ~30 minutes.

>   - Good battery life

    - error estimation (ideally RAIM-compliant)
      
      The GPS signals are easy to interfer with, but are designed
        so that such interference is easy to detect.
      Knowing that there is only a 37% chance that you are within
        x ft of the coordinates measured is important since x
	typically varies from 6 (open field, clear sky (to radio)) to
	500 (near fence, in forest, ...) makes a practical difference.
      When the desired site has poor reception, you can move to
        acquire a more precise signal, and then offset to precisely
	find the desired site.

> using an external antenna, mounted on a vehicle, with a
> fixed, appropriate (horizontal) orientation.

As satellites orbit, their horizon and the horizon of receivers scattered
over wide areas of the Earth change rotate through about 150 degrees
as the satellite rises and sets.

So without an horizontal orientation, non-geostationary satellite
antennas including GPS should be ideally hemi-isotropic or nearly
always isotropic.  Practical antennae are thus helical.

Good luck,
-- 
Dr. Robert J. Meier

    "Warble, warble, little sat,
     How I wonder where I'm at.
     Twice around the world each day,
     Four and twenty birds at play.

     Clear and ever steady beat,
     Pseudo Random Code repeat.
     An Ephemeris, your lore,
     Tells me where your flock will soar."
		-- extract from Dr. Robert J. Meier 2000


From stanorcl03 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  6 07:47:12 2007
From: stanorcl03 at yahoo.com (Stanley Chacko)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 04:47:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Wanted to Know More About Membership and Volunteering
Message-ID: <341479.69214.qm@web63214.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi there usergroup,

I just recently joined the mailing list and wanted to
know if there were further requirements in becoming a
member?  Are there membership dues?
  
Also, I wanted to know if the group would interested
in any volunteer help?  


Looking forward to your reply,

Stanley Chacko


 
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From millerc at cantonpl.org  Fri Apr  6 09:42:06 2007
From: millerc at cantonpl.org (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:42:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Wanted to Know More About Membership and Volunteering
In-Reply-To: <341479.69214.qm@web63214.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <341479.69214.qm@web63214.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43682.66.51.146.97.1175866926.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>

Stanley Chacko wrote:
> Hi there usergroup,

Hi Stanley.  Welcome.

> I just recently joined the mailing list and wanted to
> know if there were further requirements in becoming a
> member?  Are there membership dues?

No membership dues, but we expect to get a treatise about
your experience with Linux and your visions of the future.
Oh, and I almost forgot...you have to show us your version
of the penguin dance.  Come to think of it, those things
aren't required, but you do get bonus points for completing
them.

c




From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Fri Apr  6 09:51:56 2007
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:51:56 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Wanted to Know More About Membership and Volunteering
In-Reply-To: <43682.66.51.146.97.1175866926.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
Message-ID: <C23BC8BC.2FE43%GregWojtak@quickenloans.com>

Carl, aren't we still waiting for you to post your penguin dance on YouTube?
:)

Greg


On 4/6/07 9:42 AM, "Carl T. Miller" <millerc at cantonpl.org> wrote:

> Stanley Chacko wrote:
>> Hi there usergroup,
> 
> Hi Stanley.  Welcome.
> 
>> I just recently joined the mailing list and wanted to
>> know if there were further requirements in becoming a
>> member?  Are there membership dues?
> 
> No membership dues, but we expect to get a treatise about
> your experience with Linux and your visions of the future.
> Oh, and I almost forgot...you have to show us your version
> of the penguin dance.  Come to think of it, those things
> aren't required, but you do get bonus points for completing
> them.
> 
> c
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


From radkins at impelind.com  Fri Apr  6 09:56:41 2007
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:56:41 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Wanted to Know More About Membership and Volunteering
In-Reply-To: <43682.66.51.146.97.1175866926.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
References: <341479.69214.qm@web63214.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<43682.66.51.146.97.1175866926.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
Message-ID: <46165199.6040709@impelind.com>

Carl T. Miller wrote:
> Stanley Chacko wrote:
>   
>> Hi there usergroup,
>>     
>
> Hi Stanley.  Welcome.
>
>   
>> I just recently joined the mailing list and wanted to
>> know if there were further requirements in becoming a
>> member?  Are there membership dues?
>>     
>
> No membership dues, but we expect to get a treatise about
> your experience with Linux and your visions of the future.
> Oh, and I almost forgot...you have to show us your version
> of the penguin dance.  Come to think of it, those things
> aren't required, but you do get bonus points for completing
> them.
>
> c
>
>   
    You get bonus points if your vision of the future is cryptic, ala 
Nostradamus, and thus able to be applied to a great many different 
subjects. There's super bonus points if the vision of the future 
includes at least 42 allusions to the works of Scott Adams, Douglas 
Adams, Star Trek, Star Wars, the total works of Monty Python's Flying 
Circus and at least one or two things that are completely different, 
such as some obscure Dr. Who reference.

    Good day and Welcome,
    Rob


From millerc at cantonpl.org  Fri Apr  6 10:09:21 2007
From: millerc at cantonpl.org (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:09:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Wanted to Know More About Membership and Volunteering
In-Reply-To: <C23BC8BC.2FE43%GregWojtak@quickenloans.com>
References: <43682.66.51.146.97.1175866926.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
	<C23BC8BC.2FE43%GregWojtak@quickenloans.com>
Message-ID: <45894.66.51.146.97.1175868561.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>

Wojtak, Greg wrote:
> Carl, aren't we still waiting for you to post your penguin dance on
> YouTube?

Actually, I already posted it.  But the recording industry
was so jealous and the major television producers were so
stunned that they quickly got a presidential order to have
it removed.  I would tell you more, but the NSA has me
under a gag order.  In fact, I'll even bet that you won't
find any reference to this if you try to Google it!

c



> On 4/6/07 9:42 AM, "Carl T. Miller" <millerc at cantonpl.org> wrote:
>
>> Stanley Chacko wrote:
>>> Hi there usergroup,
>>
>> Hi Stanley.  Welcome.
>>
>>> I just recently joined the mailing list and wanted to
>>> know if there were further requirements in becoming a
>>> member?  Are there membership dues?
>>
>> No membership dues, but we expect to get a treatise about
>> your experience with Linux and your visions of the future.
>> Oh, and I almost forgot...you have to show us your version
>> of the penguin dance.  Come to think of it, those things
>> aren't required, but you do get bonus points for completing
>> them.
>>
>> c
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> mdlug mailing list
>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>




From jcbender at bendorius.com  Sun Apr  8 10:38:49 2007
From: jcbender at bendorius.com (Joseph C. Bender)
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 10:38:49 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] GPS suggestions
In-Reply-To: <461559EF.9000105@starline-ent.com>
References: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CD1@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<461559EF.9000105@starline-ent.com>
Message-ID: <4618FE79.60707@bendorius.com>

bob dion wrote:
>
> Speaking of GPS
> http://space.com/scienceastronomy/070404_radio_bursts.html
>
	This is one of those "Well, no kidding" sorts of articles.

	Large solar flares wreak havoc on all sorts of commo gear in orbit and 
on the ground.  The weak signal nature of the GPS sats would tend to 
mean there would be issues on a large flare.
	
	Additionally, it's not so much the sats as it is crappy RF front-ends 
in gear by GPS manufacturers trying to keep the price of the units down.

Aaron Kulkis wrote:
 > Ingles, Raymond wrote:
 > I'm not sure
 > exactly what the antenna looks like, as it is contained
 > within a shell -- I tried to break open one that went bad,
 > and had no luck... any stronger force used to break it
 > open will destroy the antenna elements hidden inside.
 >
	Antennas tend to be square patch, conical microstrip patch, or 
quadrifilar helix omni types.  Most handhelds with internal antennas 
tend to use the quad-helix types as they give remarkably good perfomance 
when coupled with a good preamp.  Most of the cheaper external antennas 
for cars are the square patch design, though I did read recently about a 
magmount quad-helix recently.

As for the OP's question, I've heard good things about the eTrex series, 
though I haven't really used one personally.  My uses of GPS tend to be 
for non-navigational purposes.  *grin*
	


-- 
Joseph Bender
jcbender at bendorius com


From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Mon Apr  9 08:56:03 2007
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:56:03 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] GPS suggestions
In-Reply-To: <4618FE79.60707@bendorius.com>
Message-ID: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CDB@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>


> From: Joseph C. Bender
> As for the OP's question, I've heard good things about the eTrex series, 
> though I haven't really used one personally.  My uses of GPS tend to be 
> for non-navigational purposes.  *grin*

 Thanks for the suggestions and information, everyone. I think I've selected
what I'll be getting:

 http://store.palm.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2608806

 One thing I've seen in my Googlings is that it seems generally accepted that
the best current chipset out there is the "SiRF Star III". Apparently has
very fast acquisition and good accuracy.

 http://www.gpslodge.com/archives/004566.php

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                      (313) 227-2317

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From tmorris at ugs.com  Mon Apr  9 09:19:03 2007
From: tmorris at ugs.com (Morris, Tim)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:19:03 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] OpenSuse 10.2/Apache 2.2/Active Directory
Message-ID: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2026D92D1@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>

Hi everyone! I'm hoping someone can help me.

I am trying to setup a BackupPC server for a few systems in my office.
Ideally, I would like to have the users authenticate using their AD
(domain) credentials. I would also like to do it using the stock
software provided with OpenSuse 10.2, which is currently Apache 2.2. I'd
love to use a different distro, but the office is moving to Suse Ent.
(more or less) for some things, so I'd better get some experience with
it. I don't really care if apache magically authenticates with windows
(not asking for login/password), but I do want it to authenticate to the
domain controllers.

Currently, I have AD authentication setup for the linux host. I can
login as an AD user and it will create the home directory and
everything. Apache still doesn't work. Here's my config, I'm hoping
someone here will know what else to do:

/etc/pam.d/httpd
#%PAM-1.0
# For Domain Authentication
auth    sufficient      pam_winbind.so
auth    required        pam_unix.so

/etc/apache2/default-server.conf
(snip)
 <Directory /opt/BackupPC3/www/cgi-bin/>
        AllowOverride AuthConfig
        Options ExecCGI FollowSymlinks
        AddHandler cgi-script .cgi
        DirectoryIndex index.cgi
        AuthType Kerberos
        AuthName "BackupPC admin"
        KrbMethodNegotiate On
        KrbMethodK5Passwd On
        KrbAuthRealms My.Domain.Net
        Krb5KeyTab /etc/apache2/usdbback01.keytab
        require valid-user
</Directory>

I created the keytab file with the following command: (I think)
ktpass -princ USER at DOMAIN -mapuser USER -crypto DES-CBC-MD5 +DesOnly
-pass PASS -ptype KRB5_NT_PRINCIPAL -out etc/apache2/usdbback01.keytab

Error when using Firefox:
[Mon Apr 09 08:53:57 2007] [error] [client xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] failed to
verify krb5 credentials: Server not found in Kerberos database

Error when using IE:
[Mon Apr 09 09:14:29 2007] [error] [client xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]
gss_acquire_cred() failed: Unspecified GSS failure.  Minor code may
provide more information (No principal in keytab matches desired name)

There is an account in the domain for the Suse computer. Do I need to
create another user account for the system or something (I have read
this, but haven't tried yet since I have to apply for the account)

I am about 2 days away from going back to Apache 2.0 and mod_auth, which
worked fine but is no longer supported.

Any help would be appreciated!

__________________________________________
Tim Morris
IT Support - Automotive Sector, Dearborn

1555 Fairlane Dr.
Allen Park, MI 48101 
(313) 317-6009 
UGS - Transforming the process of innovation 
__________________________________________


From millerc at cantonpl.org  Mon Apr  9 09:44:08 2007
From: millerc at cantonpl.org (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:44:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] OpenSuse 10.2/Apache 2.2/Active Directory
In-Reply-To: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2026D92D1@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>
References: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2026D92D1@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>
Message-ID: <5503.66.51.146.97.1176126248.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>

Morris, Tim wrote:
> Hi everyone! I'm hoping someone can help me.
>
> I am trying to setup a BackupPC server for a few systems in my office.
> Ideally, I would like to have the users authenticate using their AD
> (domain) credentials. I would also like to do it using the stock
> software provided with OpenSuse 10.2, which is currently Apache 2.2. I'd
> love to use a different distro, but the office is moving to Suse Ent.
> (more or less) for some things, so I'd better get some experience with
> it. I don't really care if apache magically authenticates with windows
> (not asking for login/password), but I do want it to authenticate to the
> domain controllers.
>
> Currently, I have AD authentication setup for the linux host. I can
> login as an AD user and it will create the home directory and
> everything. Apache still doesn't work.

Yes, the hooks you have for AD only work for logging in as
a user on the OS.    You don't have any hooks in place for
either apache authentication or backuppc.  I believe there
is a way to have apache authenticate to AD, but I don't think
there is a way to do it with backuppc.

You might try googling for "AD authentication backuppc" to
see if anyone is working on this.

c




From millerc at cantonpl.org  Mon Apr  9 12:46:27 2007
From: millerc at cantonpl.org (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:46:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] I'm happy!
Message-ID: <24258.66.51.146.97.1176137187.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>

Debian Etch has just become stable.  I'm happy.  Now the
stable version of Debian supports the latest network cards
and the AMD64 processors.  And of course it has the latest
version of everything, including IceWeasel.  It's sweet!

c




From akulkis3 at hotpop.com  Mon Apr  9 01:01:44 2007
From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 09:01:44 +0400
Subject: [mdlug] Windows Vista marketing 'deceived' consumers
In-Reply-To: <4613CD21.2040705@starline-ent.com>
References: <b02c40e90704040837h1b05832t189f4aa808332f8b@mail.gmail.com>	<4613CB50.7020008@impelind.com>
	<4613CD21.2040705@starline-ent.com>
Message-ID: <4619C8B8.1080706@hotpop.com>

bob dion wrote:
> Robert Adkins wrote:
>> It will be very interesting to see how this plays out.
>>
>> Do we, as the consumer market, still have rights, as citizens, to 
>> certain protections provided both by laws and legal precedents in such 
>> cases or will Microsoft find a way to shred through this legal issue?
>>
>> -Rob
>>
> 
> I see more federal Judges losing their jobs if they start leaning in 
> favor of us consumers.

Heh?  That's just silly....





From tesral at comcast.net  Mon Apr  9 13:46:24 2007
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:46:24 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] FWD: MDUG meeting 4-14
In-Reply-To: <46154E8B.4060204@ameritech.net>
References: <46154E8B.4060204@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <461A7BF0.5060301@comcast.net>

Do we have an agenda for the meeting this Saturday?  If not I'll offer
my "Distro Demo" machine.  I have 120 gig of space,  I figure 12
partitions.  If this can't be done someone tell me.

Partion 1 swap.
Partitions 2-12 distros
Partition 12, user home, shared by all distros.

Are their any problems here I don't know about?

I want, Unbuntu and Suse.  Beyond that I have a butt load of various
Liunxes and someone will doubtless have some I do not.

I seriously doubt we can finish the thing but we can get a good start. 
It is an IBM netvista 1.8 intel with 256 meg ram.  It has CD and DVD
drives.  No burners.  There is room for one hard drive, and a pitiful
power supply.

And I am still looking for a Win 2000 or an XP disk.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn Http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com



From akulkis3 at hotpop.com  Mon Apr  9 01:03:47 2007
From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 09:03:47 +0400
Subject: [mdlug] Wanted to Know More About Membership and Volunteering
In-Reply-To: <341479.69214.qm@web63214.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <341479.69214.qm@web63214.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4619C933.6060605@hotpop.com>

Stanley Chacko wrote:
> Hi there usergroup,
> 
> I just recently joined the mailing list and wanted to
> know if there were further requirements in becoming a
> member?

Show up.

>         Are there membership dues?

No.

>   
> Also, I wanted to know if the group would interested
> in any volunteer help?  

Such as?






From tmorris at ugs.com  Tue Apr 10 09:59:44 2007
From: tmorris at ugs.com (Morris, Tim)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:59:44 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] OpenSuse 10.2/Apache 2.2/Active Directory
In-Reply-To: <5503.66.51.146.97.1176126248.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
Message-ID: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E20275D91B@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>

I thought that's what the kerberos settings were for in the apache conf
file (and krb5.conf). I have googled and googled, and 90% of the
articles are for apache 2.0 and mod_auth, but not 2.2 (which breaks
mod_auth). I was under the impression BackupPC gets it's info from
apache, since out of the box it's not protected at all. 


--  Tim Morris - UGS

-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf
Of Carl T. Miller
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:44 AM
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: Re: [mdlug] OpenSuse 10.2/Apache 2.2/Active Directory

Morris, Tim wrote:
> Hi everyone! I'm hoping someone can help me.
>
> I am trying to setup a BackupPC server for a few systems in my office.
> Ideally, I would like to have the users authenticate using their AD
> (domain) credentials. I would also like to do it using the stock 
> software provided with OpenSuse 10.2, which is currently Apache 2.2. 
> I'd love to use a different distro, but the office is moving to Suse
Ent.
> (more or less) for some things, so I'd better get some experience with

> it. I don't really care if apache magically authenticates with windows

> (not asking for login/password), but I do want it to authenticate to 
> the domain controllers.
>
> Currently, I have AD authentication setup for the linux host. I can 
> login as an AD user and it will create the home directory and 
> everything. Apache still doesn't work.

Yes, the hooks you have for AD only work for logging in as
a user on the OS.    You don't have any hooks in place for
either apache authentication or backuppc.  I believe there is a way to
have apache authenticate to AD, but I don't think there is a way to do
it with backuppc.

You might try googling for "AD authentication backuppc" to see if anyone
is working on this.

c


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From eaglecoach at wwnet.com  Tue Apr 10 18:31:26 2007
From: eaglecoach at wwnet.com (Robert Meier)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:31:26 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [HOWTO request] filter stderrr without altering stdout
Message-ID: <200704102231.l3AMVQVI008642@freehold.wwnet.com>

Script-kiddies,

How can I write a wrapper that filters stderr (fd 2) without altering 
stdout (fd 1) using ksh?

Detail:
   ksh> func 2>/devnull
   This is desired from stdout.

   ksh> func 1>/dev/null
   This is desired from stderr
   This is undesired from stderr
   This is more desired from stderr

    ksh> func-wrapper 2>/dev/null
    This is desired from stdout

    ksh> func-wrapper 1>/dev/null
    This desired from stderr
    This is more desired from stderr

      ksh> cat func-wrapper
      #!/bin/ksh
      ????
      func $*
      ????



What should the ???? be?

TIA,
-- 
Dr. Robert J. Meier


From millerc at cantonpl.org  Tue Apr 10 20:12:26 2007
From: millerc at cantonpl.org (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:12:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] [HOWTO request] filter stderrr without altering stdout
In-Reply-To: <200704102231.l3AMVQVI008642@freehold.wwnet.com>
References: <200704102231.l3AMVQVI008642@freehold.wwnet.com>
Message-ID: <33033.216.144.215.245.1176250346.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>

Robert Meier wrote:
> Script-kiddies,
>
> How can I write a wrapper that filters stderr (fd 2) without altering
> stdout (fd 1) using ksh?

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to do.  It sounds
like you want a script that will call a function.  And I'm guessing
that you don't want to see any errors from the function, but not
filter errors from the script.

If that's the case, have the script send stderr for the function
to /dev/null, like this:

  ksh> cat func-wrapper
  #!/bin/ksh
  func $* 2>/dev/null

c




From mathew.enders at prodigy.net  Wed Apr 11 07:10:05 2007
From: mathew.enders at prodigy.net (Mathew Enders)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:10:05 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] FWD: MDUG meeting 4-14
In-Reply-To: <461A7BF0.5060301@comcast.net>
References: <46154E8B.4060204@ameritech.net>  <461A7BF0.5060301@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1176289805.5807.6.camel@mobiledaddy>

On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 13:46 -0400, Garry Stahl wrote:
> Partion 1 swap.
> Partitions 2-12 distros
> Partition 12, user home, shared by all distros.
> 
> Are their any problems here I don't know about?
> 
Gary the problem with sharing the same home directory with each distro
would be incompatable config files.  Unless you are going to a diffrent
user for each distro inside home e.g. /home/userubuntu, /home/usersuse
et al.  Then the question arises how would the other distro's treat
those users homes you would have to make sure none had the same uid.



From eaglecoach at wwnet.com  Wed Apr 11 07:43:42 2007
From: eaglecoach at wwnet.com (Robert Meier)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:43:42 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [HOWTO request] filter stderrr without altering stdout
In-Reply-To: <33033.216.144.215.245.1176250346.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
	(millerc@cantonpl.org)
References: <200704102231.l3AMVQVI008642@freehold.wwnet.com>
	<33033.216.144.215.245.1176250346.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
Message-ID: <200704111143.l3BBhgFg012538@freehold.wwnet.com>

Carl

Thank you for your response.

>> How can I write a wrapper that filters stderr (fd 2) without altering
>> stdout (fd 1) using ksh?

> I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to do.  It sounds
> like you want a script that will call a function.  And I'm guessing
> that you don't want to see any errors from the function, but not
> filter errors from the script.

Actually I do want to see errors from the function, except for
a few known errors that have been handled by the script.

Detail:
   # I have an interactive function, part of a large package.
   # It reports to both stdout and stderr
   # Unfortunately, it also reports a warning to stderr even though
   #   the warning has been successfully dealt with.
   ksh> echo help | func 1>stdout 2>stderr
   ksh> cat stdout
   This is a nice function that does something interactively.
   ksh> cat stderr
   Warning: Unable to find my config file in /etc/func
   Found the config file in /opt/etc/func
   usage: func ...

   # I don't wish to alter stdout at all, so the user can continue
   #   normal use.
   # I do want to remove the warning successfully dealt with lest the
   #   the user ignore all errors and warnings.
   # I do want the remaining warnings and errors to be seen, so the
   #   user can take corrective action.
   ksh> echo help | func-wrapper 1>wrapped-stdout 2>wrapped-stderr
   ksh> cat wrapped-stdout
   This is a nice function that does something interactively.
   ksh> cat wrapped-stderr
   usage: func ...

   # The necessary feature is that only a few well-defined warnings
   # be removed from stderr, while all of stdout and the remainder of
   # stderr are passed unaltered.
   ksh> diff stdout wrapped-stdout
   #    no difference
   ksh> diff stderr wrapped-stderr
   < Warning: Unable to find my config file in /etc/func
   < Found the config file in /opt/etc/func

   

   ksh> cat func-wrapper
   #!/bin/sh
   ????
   func $*
   ????

For instance, is there a redirection usage that can carry interactive stdout
past grep, and apply grep to stderr only?
THE FOLLOWING DOES NOT WORK AS WRITTEN:
   ksh> cat func-wrapper
   #!/bin/sh
   func $* 1>3 2>1 |
     grep -v 'Warning: Unable to find my config file in /etc/func' |
     grep -v 'Found the config file in /opt/etc/func' |
     cat 1>2 3>1
THE ABOVE DOES NOT WORK AS WRITTEN

TIA,
-- 
Dr. Robert J. Meier


From akulkis3 at hotpop.com  Wed Apr 11 08:36:00 2007
From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:36:00 +0400
Subject: [mdlug] [HOWTO request] filter stderrr without altering stdout
In-Reply-To: <200704111143.l3BBhgFg012538@freehold.wwnet.com>
References: <200704102231.l3AMVQVI008642@freehold.wwnet.com>	<33033.216.144.215.245.1176250346.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
	<200704111143.l3BBhgFg012538@freehold.wwnet.com>
Message-ID: <461CD630.2050805@hotpop.com>

Robert Meier wrote:
> Carl
> 
> Thank you for your response.
> 
>>> How can I write a wrapper that filters stderr (fd 2) without altering
>>> stdout (fd 1) using ksh?
> 
>> I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to do.  It sounds
>> like you want a script that will call a function.  And I'm guessing
>> that you don't want to see any errors from the function, but not
>> filter errors from the script.

I recall once seeing a method for doing exactly that sort of thing

It involved something like this:

(foo | foo_postprocess ) &2>1 | foo_error_postprocess

It's been about 5 years, so I'll have to play with the syntax
to get it right... when I finally get off duty in another
4 to 8 hours (never know around here....)

> 
> Actually I do want to see errors from the function, except for
> a few known errors that have been handled by the script.
> 
> Detail:
>    # I have an interactive function, part of a large package.
>    # It reports to both stdout and stderr
>    # Unfortunately, it also reports a warning to stderr even though
>    #   the warning has been successfully dealt with.
>    ksh> echo help | func 1>stdout 2>stderr
>    ksh> cat stdout
>    This is a nice function that does something interactively.
>    ksh> cat stderr
>    Warning: Unable to find my config file in /etc/func
>    Found the config file in /opt/etc/func
>    usage: func ...
> 
>    # I don't wish to alter stdout at all, so the user can continue
>    #   normal use.
>    # I do want to remove the warning successfully dealt with lest the
>    #   the user ignore all errors and warnings.
>    # I do want the remaining warnings and errors to be seen, so the
>    #   user can take corrective action.
>    ksh> echo help | func-wrapper 1>wrapped-stdout 2>wrapped-stderr
>    ksh> cat wrapped-stdout
>    This is a nice function that does something interactively.
>    ksh> cat wrapped-stderr
>    usage: func ...
> 
>    # The necessary feature is that only a few well-defined warnings
>    # be removed from stderr, while all of stdout and the remainder of
>    # stderr are passed unaltered.
>    ksh> diff stdout wrapped-stdout
>    #    no difference
>    ksh> diff stderr wrapped-stderr
>    < Warning: Unable to find my config file in /etc/func
>    < Found the config file in /opt/etc/func
> 
>    
> 
>    ksh> cat func-wrapper
>    #!/bin/sh
>    ????
>    func $*
>    ????
> 
> For instance, is there a redirection usage that can carry interactive stdout
> past grep, and apply grep to stderr only?
> THE FOLLOWING DOES NOT WORK AS WRITTEN:
>    ksh> cat func-wrapper
>    #!/bin/sh
>    func $* 1>3 2>1 |
>      grep -v 'Warning: Unable to find my config file in /etc/func' |
>      grep -v 'Found the config file in /opt/etc/func' |
>      cat 1>2 3>1
> THE ABOVE DOES NOT WORK AS WRITTEN
> 
> TIA,




From radkins at impelind.com  Wed Apr 11 09:23:52 2007
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:23:52 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Have I ever said...
Message-ID: <461CE168.9020801@impelind.com>

...how much Windows can make we want to absolutely kill everyone nearby me?

    Recently, we picked up a replacement LCD Flat Panel monitor. This is 
a model with the nifty feature of being able to be twisted about it's 
central axis to put the screen in "portrait" or "landscape" modes. This 
requires a vendor supplied driver to enable the Windows display to be 
switched with a simple mouse click.

    So, I installed the software driver.

    Less than a week later, there's an update from Microsoft that is 
automatically installed across all of our PCs. No big deal.

    Except for the PC with the vendor supplied LCD Driver.

    It won't complete the boot process. It won't complete the Safe Mode 
login process, it won't complete the Command Prompt login.

    All my searching reveals that this is a known factor with LCD Flat 
Panel Drivers and <expletive> Windows XP.

    Since the blasted PC has a SATA drive, I need to tear apart a few 
PCs corpses I have laying around to dig out a Floppy disc in order to be 
able to use the Windows XP Install CD to finally, possibly, recover the 
<expletive> thing.

    Why in the ever-loving world should a LCD Flat Panel Driver make it 
impossible to boot Windows XP? Why does the "Last Known Good" and the 
supposed "No Driver" Safe Mode fail?

    Thank you reading my angry rant filled with rhetorical questions, 
you may now return to your regularly scheduled discussions.

    -Rob


From micorral at comcast.net  Wed Apr 11 10:27:25 2007
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:27:25 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [mdlug] Have I ever said...
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704111019220.3092@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>

Robert Adkins a ecrit:
> Why in the ever-loving world should a LCD Flat Panel Driver make it
> impossible to boot Windows XP? Why does the "Last Known Good" and the
> supposed "No Driver" Safe Mode fail?

That's because, unlike Linux, Windows XP isn't ready yet for the desktop.

Michael


From tesral at comcast.net  Wed Apr 11 10:34:39 2007
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:34:39 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] FWD: MDUG meeting 4-14
In-Reply-To: <1176289805.5807.6.camel@mobiledaddy>
References: <46154E8B.4060204@ameritech.net> <461A7BF0.5060301@comcast.net>
	<1176289805.5807.6.camel@mobiledaddy>
Message-ID: <461CF1FF.1010508@comcast.net>

Mathew Enders wrote:
> Gary the problem with sharing the same home directory with each distro
> would be incompatable config files.  Unless you are going to a diffrent
> user for each distro inside home e.g. /home/userubuntu, /home/usersuse
> et al.  Then the question arises how would the other distro's treat
> those users homes you would have to make sure none had the same uid.
>   

Well there is a problem I suspected, but didn't know about.  The shared
home idea will have to be dropped. and reduced to a shared data drive.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn Http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com



From radkins at impelind.com  Wed Apr 11 10:56:10 2007
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:56:10 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Have I ever said...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704111019220.3092@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
References: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704111019220.3092@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
Message-ID: <461CF70A.60602@impelind.com>

Michael Corral wrote:
> Robert Adkins a ecrit:
>   
>> Why in the ever-loving world should a LCD Flat Panel Driver make it
>> impossible to boot Windows XP? Why does the "Last Known Good" and the
>> supposed "No Driver" Safe Mode fail?
>>     
>
> That's because, unlike Linux, Windows XP isn't ready yet for the desktop.
>
> Michael
    I completely agree. Although, it's important to note that under 
previous iterations (Windows 3.1 and Win9x) this wouldn't have been a 
problem, even remotely. So, maybe it was ready for the desktop (in this 
regard only) and has since been made less ready for the desktop in this 
regard.

    -Rob


From micorral at comcast.net  Wed Apr 11 11:43:31 2007
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:43:31 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [mdlug]  [HOWTO request] filter stderrr without altering stdout
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704111121250.3092@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>

Robert Meier a ecrit:
> For instance, is there a redirection usage that can carry interactive
> stdout past grep, and apply grep to stderr only?

I don't know of a way of doing this with the old ksh (ksh88).
With the newer ksh93, it can be done like this:

some_command 2>&1- | grep something_from_stderr

That moves (instead of duplicates) stdout to stderr.

To see which version of ksh you are running, do 'set -o emacs'
then hit CTRL-v, the output will end with either 88* or 93*.
If you're working on Solaris or HP-UX, then ksh93 is available
as /usr/dt/bin/dtksh. If you're in Linux, you can get ksh93 at
http://www.kornshell.com

Michael


From flav at binaryservice.com  Wed Apr 11 12:58:12 2007
From: flav at binaryservice.com (Flavio daCosta)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:58:12 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [HOWTO request] filter stderrr without altering stdout
In-Reply-To: <200704111143.l3BBhgFg012538@freehold.wwnet.com>
References: <200704102231.l3AMVQVI008642@freehold.wwnet.com>	<33033.216.144.215.245.1176250346.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
	<200704111143.l3BBhgFg012538@freehold.wwnet.com>
Message-ID: <461D13A4.3080703@binaryservice.com>


From akulkis3 at hotpop.com  Wed Apr 11 08:45:31 2007
From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:45:31 +0400
Subject: [mdlug] FWD: MDUG meeting 4-14
In-Reply-To: <1176289805.5807.6.camel@mobiledaddy>
References: <46154E8B.4060204@ameritech.net> <461A7BF0.5060301@comcast.net>
	<1176289805.5807.6.camel@mobiledaddy>
Message-ID: <461CD86B.30905@hotpop.com>

Mathew Enders wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 13:46 -0400, Garry Stahl wrote:
>> Partion 1 swap.
>> Partitions 2-12 distros
>> Partition 12, user home, shared by all distros.
>>
>> Are their any problems here I don't know about?
>>
> Gary the problem with sharing the same home directory with each distro
> would be incompatable config files.  Unless you are going to a diffrent
> user for each distro inside home e.g. /home/userubuntu, /home/usersuse
> et al.  Then the question arises how would the other distro's treat
> those users homes you would have to make sure none had the same uid.
> 

There are indeed ways around this.. at GM, we made user's
home directories mountable and usable on FOUR different
unix vendors' machines ... HP-UX, IRIX, Solaris and AIX.

However, that said, it can be quite involved, and merely
using "uname" (which responds with a string like "HP-UX"
or "UNIX System V" or "4.4 BSD UNIX" or "linux" doesn't
work on multiple linux installations)  doesn't work...
so other tests have to be made instead, and those are
probably NOT guaranteed to be 100% forward compatable
with future releases of any distribution.




From micorral at comcast.net  Wed Apr 11 14:46:05 2007
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:46:05 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [mdlug] Mail archives
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704111438300.3092@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>

Something is wrong with this post on the MDLUG mail archives:
http://mdlug.org/pipermail/mdlug/2007-April/001389.html

I can understand how the MDLUG web server would want to filter
Flavio's controversial and dangerous posts :) but this looks
like it was just some kind of error.

Michael


From flav at binaryservice.com  Wed Apr 11 22:08:08 2007
From: flav at binaryservice.com (Flavio daCosta)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:08:08 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Mail archives
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704111438300.3092@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
References: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704111438300.3092@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
Message-ID: <461D9488.6010403@binaryservice.com>

Must have been all the redirection, redirected my post to /dev/null :-/


From akulkis3 at hotpop.com  Sun Apr  8 23:30:32 2007
From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 07:30:32 +0400
Subject: [mdlug] Vista DRM hurts Linux?
In-Reply-To: <138192.35460.qm@web80613.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <138192.35460.qm@web80613.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4619B358.3060203@hotpop.com>

Michael Rudas (computer) wrote:
> --- Grant <glarb at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> ... Now that I think about it, I can't
>> recall hearing anything about the
>> RIAA going after anyone lately.  Perhaps
>>  they've reconsidered the wisdom
>> of that move.  No, that can't be it.
> 
> I just wish it WERE true.  They may have a slightly
> lower profile, but they are just as clueless and
> brutish as ever.  See:
> 
> <http://consumerist.com/consumer/worst-company-in-america/>
> 

The MPAA and RIAA are the only organizations who actively
seek out and SUE THE VERY SAME CUSTOMERS WHO ARE LEGALLY
BUYING THEIR PRODUCTS.




From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Fri Apr 13 12:48:26 2007
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:48:26 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Some issues with the "ps" command
Message-ID: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33D03@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>


 Can anyone name a variant of Linux where the following command doesn't work?

 ps -ae -o pid -o user -o pcpu -o pmem -o args

 We've run into a situation where an old version of Red Hat EL 3 wouldn't run
either of these:

 ps -ae -o pid,user,pcpu,pmem,args
 ps -ae -o pid -o user -o %cpu -o %mem -o args

 ...but it *would* run the first one. We're striving for maximal portability,
so if anyone can name a Linux variant that can't run that one, I'd really like
to hear about it.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                      (313) 227-2317

 "Hope costs. Once you concede that problems can be solved, you
  have to get up off your ***. Despair, by contrast, is cheap,
    self-powering, eliminates unwanted guilt, and requires -
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From micorral at comcast.net  Fri Apr 13 14:21:57 2007
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:21:57 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [mdlug] Some issues with the "ps" command
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704131411450.1328@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>

Ingles, Raymond a ecrit:
> Can anyone name a variant of Linux where the following command
> doesn't work?
>
> ps -ae -o pid -o user -o pcpu -o pmem -o args

You'd probably have to go back a ways to find an old Linux system
that used the BSD-style ps command (so the -o option didn't exist),
since I believe all Linux distros went with the SVR4-style ps a
long time ago. I have a RH6.2 system I can check when I get home.

Is this going to run on just Linux, or will it run on any UNIX?

Michael


From mdlug at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 13 14:14:05 2007
From: mdlug at sbcglobal.net (Dean Durant)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:14:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] amd64  losing ticks, driver hogging interupts?
Message-ID: <637831.37393.qm@web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello, I am running a 2.6.9 SMP kernel on a 2 CPU box,
and I have tried a 2.6.20.6 kernel as well.   In both
cases, passing noapic to the kernel, seems to help but
doesn't eliminate the problem.  On the net, people all
over the place, all different distros have seen this
and it seems to have to do with apic, IRQs, power
management,  maybe some other things, but tweaking all
of those things doesn't seem to help.   Here are the
messages I get:

Losing some ticks... checking if CPU frequency
changed.
warning: many lost ticks.
Your time source seems to be instable or some driver
is hogging interupts

Has anyone else seen this, and what was your solution?

Under heavy load, heavy disk usage, the system locks
up.   Then it has to be rebooted.    

Thanks, Dean





From set at pobox.com  Fri Apr 13 14:52:57 2007
From: set at pobox.com (Paul)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:52:57 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Some issues with the "ps" command
In-Reply-To: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33D03@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33D03@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <20070413185257.GC5814@squish.home.loc>

"Ingles, Raymond" <Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com>, on Fri Apr 13, 2007 [12:48:26 PM] said:
> 
>  Can anyone name a variant of Linux where the following command doesn't work?
> 
>  ps -ae -o pid -o user -o pcpu -o pmem -o args
> 
>  We've run into a situation where an old version of Red Hat EL 3 wouldn't run
> either of these:
> 
>  ps -ae -o pid,user,pcpu,pmem,args
>  ps -ae -o pid -o user -o %cpu -o %mem -o args
> 
>  ...but it *would* run the first one. We're striving for maximal portability,
> so if anyone can name a Linux variant that can't run that one, I'd really like
> to hear about it.
> 
>  Sincerely,
> 
>  Ray Ingles                                      (313) 227-2317

	Hi;

	Not sure about linux versions, but none of these will probably
work with a BSD userland. s/args/command/ and it should work for everyone
though;)

Paul
set at pobox.com


From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Fri Apr 13 15:43:02 2007
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:43:02 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Some issues with the "ps" command
In-Reply-To: <20070413185257.GC5814@squish.home.loc>
Message-ID: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33D05@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>


> From: Paul

> 	Not sure about linux versions, but none of these will probably
> work with a BSD userland. s/args/command/ and it should work 
> for everyone though;)

 How many Linuxes have a BSD userland? This is only being used on Linux
systems.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                    (313) 227-2317

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 reason..." - Screwtape, "The Screwtape Letters", C. S. Lewis
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From eaglecoach at wwnet.com  Fri Apr 13 22:13:14 2007
From: eaglecoach at wwnet.com (Robert Meier)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:13:14 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Some issues with the "ps" command
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704131411450.1328@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
	(message from Michael Corral on Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:21:57 -0400
	(Eastern Daylight Time))
References: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704131411450.1328@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
Message-ID: <200704140213.l3E2DETJ030915@freehold.wwnet.com>

Ray,

> > Can anyone name a variant of Linux where the following command
> > doesn't work?
> > ps -ae -o pid -o user -o pcpu -o pmem -o args

> ... since I believe all Linux distros went with [POSIX-style] ps a
> long time ago. ...
> Is this going to run on ... any UNIX?

  "-o  format
   Write information according to the format specification given in format.
   This is fully described in the STDOUT section. Multiple -o options can
   be specified; the format specification shall be interpreted as the
   <space>-separated concatenation of all the format option-arguments.
   ...
   ruser ... user ... rgroup ... group ... pid ... ppid ... pgid ...
   pcpu ... vsz ... nice ... time ... tty ... comm ... args ..."
		     -- POSIX.2 (IEEE Std 1003.1: Shell & Utilities: ps)



If you are looking for a portable ps,
   o use multiple '-o's or spaces within a quoted-string for a single -o
   o skip pmem

<IIRC>
I've used comma separation in the past,
and can't remember a system that didn't accept this extension to POSIX.
</IIRC>

SuSE-10.0 extends POSIX.2 by accepting pmem.



Hopefully helpful,
-- 
Dr. Robert J. Meier


From paul.matthews at opensourcehowto.org  Sat Apr 14 06:17:13 2007
From: paul.matthews at opensourcehowto.org (Paul Matthews)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:17:13 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [mdlug] OpenSourceHowTo.org
Message-ID: <56872.124.185.121.174.1176545833.squirrel@www.opensourcehowto.org>

http://www.opensourcehowto.org

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I am currently still working on it, adding new screen shots every day,
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- Ads locked down, no more offence ads (hopefully) & more relevant ads now
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- OpenWiki was installed on OpenSourceHowTo.Org
- A translation module was added for OpenSourceHowTo.Org
- Video How-to's are being made & added

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From rjclay at gmail.com  Sat Apr 14 12:27:55 2007
From: rjclay at gmail.com (Robert J. Clay)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:27:55 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] I'm happy!
In-Reply-To: <24258.66.51.146.97.1176137187.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
References: <24258.66.51.146.97.1176137187.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
Message-ID: <a379574a0704140927o4772d2aare6252e32849b9216@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/9/07, Carl T. Miller <millerc at cantonpl.org> wrote:
> Debian Etch has just become stable.  I'm happy.

  As am I, although I'd already been running it on a couple of systems...<g>


-- 
Robert J. Clay
rjclay at gmail.com


From davidl at lmert.com  Sat Apr 14 17:35:49 2007
From: davidl at lmert.com (David Lee Lambert)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:35:49 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SSH-from-laptop issues
Message-ID: <200704141736.00977.davidl@lmert.com>

As I mentioned at the meeting today,  I've been having trouble connecting to a 
certain computer from my laptop when I'm at my dad's house.  My laptop is a 
Linux system running kernel 2.6.14.5, and I'm trying to connect to my system 
at home,  Linux, running kernel 2.6.x.  My dad has a Wow! cable-modem 
connection with a Belkin FD5231-4 hardware firewall/4-port switch between it 
and the network.  The Linux system I'm trying to connect to is connected 
directly to a Comcast cable-mode,  and has a domain-name provided by 
dyndns.org.  Among other systems,  my dad has a Windows XP box with Cygwin 
SSH and Internet Explorer.

I can log in via SSH,  and view the Apache website on my server,  from my 
dad's Windows XP box.  I cannot do either thing from my laptop while 
connected to my dad's network.  I can access every other website I can think 
of (yahoo,  Wayne State, slashdot...)  

I checked the logs on the Belkin firewall,  and didn't see anything relating 
to my laptop's IP address.  I saw something about a "SYN flood attack" from 
an internal dynamic DHCP address (probably my sister's laptop) with a date a 
couple weeks ago.  

I can run TCPdump on my laptop.  I don't see the traffic to/from the XP box,  
because it's on a different port of the switch.  Here's what I see if I run 
ssh and wait a couple of seconds:

17:34:25.821116 IP 192.168.0.7.50009 > mail.wayne.edu.imaps: . ack 509593 win 
32767
17:34:47.419039 IP 192.168.0.7.52484 > ramoth.ssh: SWE 3649070327:3649070327
(0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 515388669 0,nop,wscale 2>
17:34:50.418878 IP 192.168.0.7.52484 > ramoth.ssh: SWE 3649070327:3649070327
(0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 515389419 0,nop,wscale 2>

Any ideas what's wrong? 

-- 
David Lee Lambert ... Software Developer
Cell phone: +1 586-873-8813 ; alt. email <as4109 at wayne.edu> or 
<lamber45 at msu.edu>
GPG key at http://www.lmert.com/keyring.txt
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From misevich at gmail.com  Sat Apr 14 19:25:15 2007
From: misevich at gmail.com (Dave Misevich)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:25:15 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SSH-from-laptop issues
In-Reply-To: <200704141736.00977.davidl@lmert.com>
References: <200704141736.00977.davidl@lmert.com>
Message-ID: <afabc6b70704141625u6d025342s6823b951f06265d1@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/14/07, David Lee Lambert <davidl at lmert.com> wrote:
snip
> Here's what I see if I run
> ssh and wait a couple of seconds:
>
> 17:34:25.821116 IP 192.168.0.7.50009 > mail.wayne.edu.imaps: . ack 509593 win
> 32767
> 17:34:47.419039 IP 192.168.0.7.52484 > ramoth.ssh: SWE 3649070327:3649070327
> (0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 515388669 0,nop,wscale 2>
> 17:34:50.418878 IP 192.168.0.7.52484 > ramoth.ssh: SWE 3649070327:3649070327
> (0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 515389419 0,nop,wscale 2>
>
> Any ideas what's wrong?
>

Hi David,

Don't know what's wrong but maybe try running ssh in verbose mode (-v
or -vv or -vvv) to get some more info out of it. HTH
-- 
Dave Misevich
Canton, MI
'85 K100RT


From MPR_Linux at Ameritech.net  Sun Apr 15 02:41:29 2007
From: MPR_Linux at Ameritech.net (Michael Rudas (computer))
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 02:41:29 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Penguins, start your engines!
Message-ID: <4621C919.7010400@Ameritech.net>

I ran across this on the blog of helios.  It's an interesting idea, 
perhaps worthy of our support?  Quoting from the site:

"Marketing Linux has always been a tricky proposition.  As a community, 
we have relied on corporations who have a stake in the Linux operating 
system to market Linux to the world at large.  Today, we have an 
opportunity to change that, and make Linux marketing as much a community 
effort as Linux development.  That effort begins with the Tux 500 project.

"Our goal is simple: we want to collect community donations to enter a 
Linux sponsored car in the 2007 Indianapolis 500.  We need your help!  
If less than 1% of the Linux community donates $1, this will happen... 
will you do your part?"

http://www.tux500.com

This also might be something to mention at Penguicon, as well.

-- Mikey



From jmtaylor90 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 15 09:36:42 2007
From: jmtaylor90 at gmail.com (Jason Taylor)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 09:36:42 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SSH-from-laptop issues
In-Reply-To: <200704141736.00977.davidl@lmert.com>
References: <200704141736.00977.davidl@lmert.com>
Message-ID: <1176644203.22262.2.camel@buster.blogdns.net>

Can you use other network services without issue on your laptop (e.g.
Samba, web browsing, FTP)? By SSH not working, do you not get a login?
Do you get a login but username/pass rejected? How is your firewall on
your laptop configured? Does SSH on your laptop work to other
destinations?

-Jason

On Sat, 2007-04-14 at 17:35 -0400, David Lee Lambert wrote:
> As I mentioned at the meeting today,  I've been having trouble connecting to a 
> certain computer from my laptop when I'm at my dad's house.  My laptop is a 
> Linux system running kernel 2.6.14.5, and I'm trying to connect to my system 
> at home,  Linux, running kernel 2.6.x.  My dad has a Wow! cable-modem 
> connection with a Belkin FD5231-4 hardware firewall/4-port switch between it 
> and the network.  The Linux system I'm trying to connect to is connected 
> directly to a Comcast cable-mode,  and has a domain-name provided by 
> dyndns.org.  Among other systems,  my dad has a Windows XP box with Cygwin 
> SSH and Internet Explorer.
> 
> I can log in via SSH,  and view the Apache website on my server,  from my 
> dad's Windows XP box.  I cannot do either thing from my laptop while 
> connected to my dad's network.  I can access every other website I can think 
> of (yahoo,  Wayne State, slashdot...)  
> 
> I checked the logs on the Belkin firewall,  and didn't see anything relating 
> to my laptop's IP address.  I saw something about a "SYN flood attack" from 
> an internal dynamic DHCP address (probably my sister's laptop) with a date a 
> couple weeks ago.  
> 
> I can run TCPdump on my laptop.  I don't see the traffic to/from the XP box,  
> because it's on a different port of the switch.  Here's what I see if I run 
> ssh and wait a couple of seconds:
> 
> 17:34:25.821116 IP 192.168.0.7.50009 > mail.wayne.edu.imaps: . ack 509593 win 
> 32767
> 17:34:47.419039 IP 192.168.0.7.52484 > ramoth.ssh: SWE 3649070327:3649070327
> (0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 515388669 0,nop,wscale 2>
> 17:34:50.418878 IP 192.168.0.7.52484 > ramoth.ssh: SWE 3649070327:3649070327
> (0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 515389419 0,nop,wscale 2>
> 
> Any ideas what's wrong? 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
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From rkannan at peoplepc.com  Sat Apr 14 23:08:44 2007
From: rkannan at peoplepc.com (R Kannan)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:08:44 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Multiple printers in OpenOffice 2.0
Message-ID: <1176606524.31331.5.camel@hppavilion.kannanhome>

Hi,

I added one more (network IPP) printer (printer2) to my machine through
KDE printer manager. It originally had 'printer1'. Everything seemed to
work. But when I go to OOo, it shows only one printer under the name
'Generic Printer'. I tried logging in as root and run 'spadmin' under
the open office 'program' directory and found both the printers. I
changed the default printer to 'printer2' and tried printing to the
'generic printer' as user and it went to 'printer2' as expected.  How do
I get both printers to show up in the printer drop down in OO? 

TIA for any help
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From rkannan at peoplepc.com  Sat Apr 14 23:16:26 2007
From: rkannan at peoplepc.com (R Kannan)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:16:26 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Multiple printers in OpenOffice 2.0
In-Reply-To: <1176606524.31331.5.camel@hppavilion.kannanhome>
References: <1176606524.31331.5.camel@hppavilion.kannanhome>
Message-ID: <1176606986.31331.7.camel@hppavilion.kannanhome>

BTW, I am using CUPS

On Sat, 2007-04-14 at 23:08, R Kannan wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I added one more (network IPP) printer (printer2) to my machine
> through KDE printer manager. It originally had 'printer1'. Everything
> seemed to work. But when I go to OOo, it shows only one printer under
> the name 'Generic Printer'. I tried logging in as root and run
> 'spadmin' under the open office 'program' directory and found both the
> printers. I changed the default printer to 'printer2' and tried
> printing to the 'generic printer' as user and it went to 'printer2' as
> expected.  How do I get both printers to show up in the printer drop
> down in OO? 
> 
> TIA for any help 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> 
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
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From gib at juno.com  Sun Apr 15 12:45:06 2007
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:45:06 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Penguins, start your engines!
Message-ID: <20070415.094525.724.1070388@webmail26.lax.untd.com>

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From gib at juno.com  Sun Apr 15 12:46:43 2007
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:46:43 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Multiple printers in OpenOffice 2.0
Message-ID: <20070415.094727.724.1070407@webmail26.lax.untd.com>

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From flav at binaryservice.com  Sun Apr 15 12:52:54 2007
From: flav at binaryservice.com (Flavio daCosta)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 12:52:54 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SSH-from-laptop issues
In-Reply-To: <200704141736.00977.davidl@lmert.com>
References: <200704141736.00977.davidl@lmert.com>
Message-ID: <46225866.1040400@binaryservice.com>



On 04/14/2007 05:35 PM, David Lee Lambert wrote:
> 17:34:47.419039 IP 192.168.0.7.52484 > ramoth.ssh: SWE 3649070327:3649070327
> (0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 515388669 0,nop,wscale 2>
> 17:34:50.418878 IP 192.168.0.7.52484 > ramoth.ssh: SWE 3649070327:3649070327
> (0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 515389419 0,nop,wscale 2>

iirc, the E in your tcpdump means ECN (Explicit Congestion Notification)
is enabled.  Try disabling that (you probably dont need it anyway,
google for answer) and see what happens:

echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn

Hope that helps
flav


From bobdion at starline-ent.com  Sun Apr 15 13:06:09 2007
From: bobdion at starline-ent.com (bob dion)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:06:09 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Multiple printers in OpenOffice 2.0
In-Reply-To: <1176606524.31331.5.camel@hppavilion.kannanhome>
References: <1176606524.31331.5.camel@hppavilion.kannanhome>
Message-ID: <46225B81.3090005@starline-ent.com>

R Kannan wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I added one more (network IPP) printer (printer2) to my machine through
> KDE printer manager. It originally had 'printer1'. Everything seemed to

I have found, in the past, that setting up prints with the KDE printer 
manager does not make the printer automatically available to all apps. I 
now use the Cups web interface to setup prints. http://localhost:631

BD


From rkannan at peoplepc.com  Sun Apr 15 02:57:02 2007
From: rkannan at peoplepc.com (R Kannan)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 02:57:02 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Multiple printers in OpenOffice 2.0
In-Reply-To: <46225B81.3090005@starline-ent.com>
References: <1176606524.31331.5.camel@hppavilion.kannanhome>
	<46225B81.3090005@starline-ent.com>
Message-ID: <1176620222.32087.2.camel@hppavilion.kannanhome>

Thanks.  But I found that both the printers ae indeed available in CUPS.
This seems to be  a strange problem with OpenOffice.

On Sun, 2007-04-15 at 13:06, bob dion wrote:

> R Kannan wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I added one more (network IPP) printer (printer2) to my machine through
> > KDE printer manager. It originally had 'printer1'. Everything seemed to
> 
> I have found, in the past, that setting up prints with the KDE printer 
> manager does not make the printer automatically available to all apps. I 
> now use the Cups web interface to setup prints. http://localhost:631
> 
> BD
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
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From davidl at lmert.com  Sun Apr 15 20:28:28 2007
From: davidl at lmert.com (David Lee Lambert)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:28:28 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SSH-from-laptop issues
In-Reply-To: <1176644203.22262.2.camel@buster.blogdns.net>
References: <200704141736.00977.davidl@lmert.com>
	<1176644203.22262.2.camel@buster.blogdns.net>
Message-ID: <200704152028.38427.davidl@lmert.com>

On Sunday 15 April 2007 09:36 am, Jason Taylor wrote:
> Can you use other network services without issue on your laptop (e.g.
> Samba, web browsing, FTP)? By SSH not working, do you not get a login?
> Do you get a login but username/pass rejected? How is your firewall on
> your laptop configured? Does SSH on your laptop work to other
> destinations?

To answer your questions,  all network services to all other hosts worked 
fine.  Neither SSH nor HTTP to the host in question worked.  I have no 
firewall on the laptop (kernel 2.6 compiled with IPtables support,  doing NAT 
from a VMware internal network, but it's not configured to block any 
traffic).  He didn't give an error-message;  they just waited to connect.

Today I looked at this again, and I think I've identified the likely culprit,  
although I'm not sure when I'll be back at my dad's house to test my new 
theory.  I have an entry in the "/etc/hosts" file on my laptop for the host 
in question, with an address in the private range I use behind the firewall 
at my home (for example, 192.168.77.0/24).  My dad's house uses a different 
private range (for example,  192.168.44.0/25).  When I used my laptop from 
foreign networks in the past,  I guess an ICMP unreachable message was 
generated,  forcing my laptop to look for another address;  but on this 
particular network,  the TCP SYN packets just disappeared.   

I don't really need to use a "hosts" file for that particular server anyway...

-- 
David Lee Lambert ... Software Developer
Cell phone: +1 586-873-8813 ; alt. email <as4109 at wayne.edu> or 
<lamber45 at msu.edu>
GPG key at http://www.lmert.com/keyring.txt
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From davidl at lmert.com  Sun Apr 15 20:53:27 2007
From: davidl at lmert.com (David Lee Lambert)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:53:27 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] FWD: MDUG meeting 4-14
In-Reply-To: <1176289805.5807.6.camel@mobiledaddy>
References: <46154E8B.4060204@ameritech.net> <461A7BF0.5060301@comcast.net>
	<1176289805.5807.6.camel@mobiledaddy>
Message-ID: <200704152053.28798.davidl@lmert.com>

On Wednesday 11 April 2007 07:10 am, Mathew Enders wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 13:46 -0400, Garry Stahl wrote:
> > Partion 1 swap.
> > Partitions 2-12 distros
> > Partition 12, user home, shared by all distros.
> >
> > Are their any problems here I don't know about?
>
> Gary the problem with sharing the same home directory with each distro
> would be incompatable config files.

While this could be a minor problem,  it's unlikely to be a major one.  I have 
a home-directory that's been used by Slackware, several releases of Debian, 
and RedHat,  and the worst thing that happened was that some gnome-panel 
applets didn't show up after an incomplete upgrade of the same distribution.

-- 
David Lee Lambert ... Software Developer
Cell phone: +1 586-873-8813 ; alt. email <as4109 at wayne.edu> or 
<lamber45 at msu.edu>
GPG key at http://www.lmert.com/keyring.txt


From tesral at comcast.net  Sun Apr 15 23:49:49 2007
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:49:49 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Job posting
Message-ID: <4622F25D.4070903@comcast.net>

http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/14723559.html

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn Http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com



From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Mon Apr 16 00:02:25 2007
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:02:25 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Job posting
In-Reply-To: <4622F25D.4070903@comcast.net>
References: <4622F25D.4070903@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90704152102k4de6fbebk6498195816470f45@mail.gmail.com>

There is a lot of other good ones on that site.

On 4/15/07, Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net> wrote:
> http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/14723559.html


From mathew.enders at prodigy.net  Mon Apr 16 01:14:06 2007
From: mathew.enders at prodigy.net (Mathew Enders)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 01:14:06 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] FWD: MDUG meeting 4-14
In-Reply-To: <200704152053.28798.davidl@lmert.com>
References: <46154E8B.4060204@ameritech.net> <461A7BF0.5060301@comcast.net>
	<1176289805.5807.6.camel@mobiledaddy>
	<200704152053.28798.davidl@lmert.com>
Message-ID: <1176700446.6841.13.camel@mobiledaddy>

On Sun, 2007-04-15 at 20:53 -0400, David Lee Lambert wrote:
> On Wednesday 11 April 2007 07:10 am, Mathew Enders wrote:
> > On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 13:46 -0400, Garry Stahl wrote:
> > > Partion 1 swap.
> > > Partitions 2-12 distros
> > > Partition 12, user home, shared by all distros.
> > >
> > > Are their any problems here I don't know about?
> >
> > Gary the problem with sharing the same home directory with each distro
> > would be incompatable config files.
> 
> While this could be a minor problem,  it's unlikely to be a major one.  I have 
> a home-directory that's been used by Slackware, several releases of Debian, 
> and RedHat,  and the worst thing that happened was that some gnome-panel 
> applets didn't show up after an incomplete upgrade of the same distribution.
> 

I have also done this.  But the distro's were not "sharing" the home
directory as they were installedone at a time.



From gib at juno.com  Mon Apr 16 11:22:10 2007
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:22:10 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] How can I set up a process initiated by another user to
	execute as my user ID?
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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Mon Apr 16 11:47:36 2007
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:47:36 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] How can I set up a process initiated by another user
	toexecute as my user ID?
In-Reply-To: <20070416.082436.2325.2811547@webmail23.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33D09@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>


> From: gib at juno.com

> How can I set up a process initiated by another user to execute as my user ID?

 You want to use "sudo". Just type "man sudo" at a terminal to get plenty of info.
It'll do what you want. If you have questions after reading the man page, we'll
be happy to help!

 Sincerely,

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   and the Declaration of Independence. Thanks to the Red Scare,
   only one person out of 112 signed it; some called the FBI to
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From rharding at mitechie.com  Mon Apr 16 12:14:35 2007
From: rharding at mitechie.com (Rick Harding)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:14:35 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Job posting
In-Reply-To: <4622F25D.4070903@comcast.net>
References: <4622F25D.4070903@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4623A0EB.2020808@mitechie.com>

Garry Stahl wrote:
> http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/14723559.html
> 

Wow, at least they realize they're begging for help. 10 years Windows 
Sysadmin with linux and web programming? Damn.

Rick


From akulkis3 at hotpop.com  Mon Apr 16 12:17:24 2007
From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:17:24 +0400
Subject: [mdlug] How can I set up a process initiated by another user
 to	execute as my user ID?
In-Reply-To: <20070416.082436.2325.2811547@webmail23.lax.untd.com>
References: <20070416.082436.2325.2811547@webmail23.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4623A194.2080502@hotpop.com>

gib at juno.com wrote:
>  
> 
> How can I set up a process initiated by another user to execute as my 
> user ID?
> 
> I have a process that logs into an ftp server with my user ID and my 
> password but I don't want to provide my password to someone else.  How 
> can I allow someone else to execute this process? 
>

I'm assuming that it's compiled code, and not a shell script.

If so, just make sure that YOU are the owner of the executable,
and then use chmod to set the "set User ID" (setuid) bit.

chmod 1755 executable_file




> Alternatively, can I set up a process that will be able to read the 
> password from a secure location without the user seeing it?
Yes, same way.







From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Mon Apr 16 13:08:56 2007
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:08:56 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] How can I set up a process initiated by another user to
 execute as my user ID?
In-Reply-To: <4623A194.2080502@hotpop.com>
Message-ID: <C24925E8.317FC%GregWojtak@quickenloans.com>

Actually, that's 4755... 1755 sets the sticky bit.


On 4/16/07 12:17 PM, "Aaron Kulkis" <akulkis3 at hotpop.com> wrote:

> gib at juno.com wrote:
>>  
>> 
>> How can I set up a process initiated by another user to execute as my
>> user ID?
>> 
>> I have a process that logs into an ftp server with my user ID and my
>> password but I don't want to provide my password to someone else.  How
>> can I allow someone else to execute this process?
>> 
> 
> I'm assuming that it's compiled code, and not a shell script.
> 
> If so, just make sure that YOU are the owner of the executable,
> and then use chmod to set the "set User ID" (setuid) bit.
> 
> chmod 1755 executable_file
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Alternatively, can I set up a process that will be able to read the
>> password from a secure location without the user seeing it?
> Yes, same way.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


From akulkis3 at hotpop.com  Mon Apr 16 13:36:31 2007
From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:36:31 +0400
Subject: [mdlug] How can I set up a process initiated by another user to
 execute as my user ID?
In-Reply-To: <C24925E8.317FC%GregWojtak@quickenloans.com>
References: <C24925E8.317FC%GregWojtak@quickenloans.com>
Message-ID: <4623B41F.7030800@hotpop.com>

Wojtak, Greg wrote:

> 
> On 4/16/07 12:17 PM, "Aaron Kulkis" <akulkis3 at hotpop.com> wrote:
> 
>> gib at juno.com wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>> How can I set up a process initiated by another user to execute as my
>>> user ID?
>>>
>>> I have a process that logs into an ftp server with my user ID and my
>>> password but I don't want to provide my password to someone else.  How
>>> can I allow someone else to execute this process?
>>>
>> I'm assuming that it's compiled code, and not a shell script.
>>
>> If so, just make sure that YOU are the owner of the executable,
>> and then use chmod to set the "set User ID" (setuid) bit.
>>
>> chmod 1755 executable_file
>>

 > Actually, that's 4755... 1755 sets the sticky bit.
 >

Whoops... thanks ;-)


>>
>>
>>
>>> Alternatively, can I set up a process that will be able to read the
>>> password from a secure location without the user seeing it?
 >>
>> Yes, same way.
>>




From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Mon Apr 16 15:58:24 2007
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:58:24 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] How can I set up a process initiated by another user to
 execute as my user ID?
In-Reply-To: <4623B41F.7030800@hotpop.com>
Message-ID: <C2494DA0.318B3%GregWojtak@quickenloans.com>

It's not often I get to correct someone else... usually it's the other way
around.  Like this top-posting, for example.


On 4/16/07 1:36 PM, "Aaron Kulkis" <akulkis3 at hotpop.com> wrote:

> Wojtak, Greg wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 4/16/07 12:17 PM, "Aaron Kulkis" <akulkis3 at hotpop.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> gib at juno.com wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> How can I set up a process initiated by another user to execute as my
>>>> user ID?
>>>> 
>>>> I have a process that logs into an ftp server with my user ID and my
>>>> password but I don't want to provide my password to someone else.  How
>>>> can I allow someone else to execute this process?
>>>> 
>>> I'm assuming that it's compiled code, and not a shell script.
>>> 
>>> If so, just make sure that YOU are the owner of the executable,
>>> and then use chmod to set the "set User ID" (setuid) bit.
>>> 
>>> chmod 1755 executable_file
>>> 
> 
>> Actually, that's 4755... 1755 sets the sticky bit.
>> 
> 
> Whoops... thanks ;-)
> 
> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Alternatively, can I set up a process that will be able to read the
>>>> password from a secure location without the user seeing it?
>>> 
>>> Yes, same way.
>>> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


From z_mikowski at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 16 16:12:35 2007
From: z_mikowski at yahoo.com (Michael S. Mikowski)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:12:35 -0700
Subject: [mdlug] Penguins, start your engines!
In-Reply-To: <4621C919.7010400@Ameritech.net>
References: <4621C919.7010400@Ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <200704161312.35853.z_mikowski@yahoo.com>

I threw 'em 20 bones from my PayPal account.  Maybe I'm a sucker...

I think the logo should be "LINUX", nothing else, for greatest 
visibility; however, Linux should really be promoted consistently for 
maximum "brand" recognition.  I wonder if there are guidelines for 
such?

As an aside, don't they have to check with Linus to see if they can even 
*use* this trademark?

Cheers, Mike

On Saturday 14 April 2007, Michael Rudas (computer) wrote:
> I ran across this on the blog of helios.  It's an interesting idea,
> perhaps worthy of our support?  Quoting from the site:
>
> "Marketing Linux has always been a tricky proposition.  As a
> community, we have relied on corporations who have a stake in the
> Linux operating system to market Linux to the world at large.  Today,
> we have an opportunity to change that, and make Linux marketing as
> much a community effort as Linux development.  That effort begins
> with the Tux 500 project.
>
> "Our goal is simple: we want to collect community donations to enter
> a Linux sponsored car in the 2007 Indianapolis 500.  We need your
> help! If less than 1% of the Linux community donates $1, this will
> happen... will you do your part?"
>
> http://www.tux500.com
>
> This also might be something to mention at Penguicon, as well.
>
> -- Mikey
>
> _______________________________________________
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> mdlug at mdlug.org
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-- 
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www.dynaorg.com


From micorral at comcast.net  Mon Apr 16 16:25:55 2007
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:25:55 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [mdlug] Penguins, start your engines!
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704161619350.2304@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>

Michael Rudas (computer) a ecrit:
> "Our goal is simple: we want to collect community donations to enter a
> Linux sponsored car in the 2007 Indianapolis 500.  We need your help!
> If less than 1% of the Linux community donates $1, this will happen...
> will you do your part?"
>
> http://www.tux500.com

Instead of just promoting "Linux", they should be promoting the most
user-friendly distro that "just works" on the desktop for grandma.
So let's start an "Ubuntu Linux" Indy 500 sponsorship drive!

Michael


From jjn at nuge.com  Mon Apr 16 17:05:23 2007
From: jjn at nuge.com (Jay Nugent)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:05:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Washtenaw Linux Users Group Meeting 4/19/07
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0704161702360.10407-100000@home.nuge.com>



                    *** Meeting Announcement ***
                             for the
                 Washtenaw Linux Users Group - WLUG

           Date/Time: Thursday April 19th at 8pm

           Location:  Washtenaw Community College
                      4800 E.Huron River Drive
                      Ann Arbor, Michigan
                      Room BE-150

              Topic:  Beginners level Linux (command line stuff)
                 By:  Mike Bernson

   Mike will cover the Linux command line interface (CLI). He will discuss
the 'bash' shell, file system, tty signals, and more.


                         ================================

      See [www.lugwash.org] for further information about the Washtenaw 
Linux Users Group, maps and directions, and mailing list information.

          --- Jay

"Getting rid of terrorism is like getting rid of dandruff.  It cannot
 be done completely no matter how hard you try." -- Gore Vidal
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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| LinuxNIC, Inc. [www.linuxnic.net]   Registrar of the .linux TLD        |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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From treii28 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 17 12:17:01 2007
From: treii28 at yahoo.com (Scott Webster Wood)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:17:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Job posting
Message-ID: <264994.38468.qm@web38009.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

yeah, that is interesting - how are they going to find someone with 'at least' 10 years in windows '2000' administration.  It is still 2007 isn't it?  I remember when I first learned perl, it was only about a year old, java was reasonably new as well.  And I remember seeing a job posting asking for someone with a minimum of 5 years of each.  Where is that time machine these applicants are using?

I think the most telling part of that job posting are three words right near the top:  'back end penetration' - If you'd like to get bent over - come work for us!

----- Original Message ----
From: Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net>
To: MDLUG Main <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 10:49:49 PM
Subject: [mdlug] Job posting

http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/14723559.html

-- 
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From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 17 14:01:16 2007
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:01:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Job posting
In-Reply-To: <264994.38468.qm@web38009.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20070417180116.51090.qmail@web37910.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Try www.dice.com there are lots of IT/Linux jobs, but there is a lot of competition for those jobs.  And Rates are "market"
   
  David 
   
   
  

Scott Webster Wood <treii28 at yahoo.com> wrote:
  yeah, that is interesting - how are they going to find someone with 'at least' 10 years in windows '2000' administration. It is still 2007 isn't it? I remember when I first learned perl, it was only about a year old, java was reasonably new as well. And I remember seeing a job posting asking for someone with a minimum of 5 years of each. Where is that time machine these applicants are using?

I think the most telling part of that job posting are three words right near the top: 'back end penetration' - If you'd like to get bent over - come work for us!

----- Original Message ----
From: Garry Stahl 
To: MDLUG Main 
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 10:49:49 PM
Subject: [mdlug] Job posting

http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/14723559.html

-- 
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Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn Http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com

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From mdlug at chaka.net  Wed Apr 18 10:44:56 2007
From: mdlug at chaka.net (Todd Chapman)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:44:56 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Next Detroit Perl Mongers meeting Tuesday, April 24th at 7pm
Message-ID: <20070418144456.GM8679@erie.mg2.org>


The next meeting of the Detroit Perl Mongers will be next Tuesday, April
24th at 7pm. Next week!

This month Bill Hess of Technology Resource Group will be presenting.
Bill will talk about building Perl from source, building Perl modules,
and binding to C libraries with SWIG.

The meeting place is ePrize headquarters, which is at One ePrize Drive,
Pleasant Ridge, MI 48069. 

Food and beverage will be provided by ePrize. 

Please RSVP to todd.chapman at eprize.com. 

Todd Chapman
todd.chapman at eprize.com
Software Engineer
ePrize


From gib at juno.com  Thu Apr 19 08:24:05 2007
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:24:05 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] http://www.boredomhurts.com
Message-ID: <20070419.052500.15664.2617708@webmail32.lax.untd.com>

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From cxiiixc at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr 21 13:45:28 2007
From: cxiiixc at sbcglobal.net (William Fisher)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:45:28 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
Message-ID: <462A4DB8.5090003@sbcglobal.net>

I've been hearing a lot about Web 2.0 lately.  Do any of you know if 
this has anything to do with IPv6?  I'm just wondering if everything I'm 
learning about TCP/IP is going to be obsolete.

Will


From millerc at cantonpl.org  Sun Apr 22 08:11:01 2007
From: millerc at cantonpl.org (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 08:11:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
In-Reply-To: <462A4DB8.5090003@sbcglobal.net>
References: <462A4DB8.5090003@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <32898.216.144.215.245.1177243861.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>

William Fisher wrote:
> I've been hearing a lot about Web 2.0 lately.  Do any of you know if
> this has anything to do with IPv6?  I'm just wondering if everything I'm
> learning about TCP/IP is going to be obsolete.

I've heard that Web 2.0 is about interactive websites such
as wikipedia.  The idea is that the first web was about
websites with static data, and that with Web 2.0 anybody
can be involved with adding content.

c





From mdlug at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr 22 13:00:15 2007
From: mdlug at sbcglobal.net (dean)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:00:15 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [Fwd: UNIX Opportunities]]  - Ford
Message-ID: <462B949F.9000401@sbcglobal.net>



	

	

	

	



Hi MDLUG,
 
My name is Renee and I came across your name when doing a search on the 
Metro Detroit Linux group (I was looking to see if we could post 
opportunities anywhere on the site : ).  I remembered your resume from 
earlier this year when Stacy Tobis contacted you about a CIBER opportunity.
 
Anyhow, we have a LOT of opportunity in the UNIX/Linux space right now 
at Ford and I'm wondering if you or anyone you know might be interested 
in learning more about the positions we have available?  The managers 
are actually moving pretty quickly and we've scoured the boards for good 
candidates, now I'm going back through our resume database.
 
If you are interested, I'll have Stacy Tobis give you a call!  If you 
are not interested, I would appreciate if you could pass my contact 
information on to anyone you know who may be looking.  Have them send me 
a copy of their resume and salary requirements, and I'll do my best to 
find a suitable opportunity before having a recruiter contact them so we 
don't waste their time.
 
We have systems administration opportunities that focus on Linux, on 
AIX, and some that don't specify - they just want strong admins with 
scripting.
 
Thank you for your time, and have a good day!
 
Ren?e Bumpus
Staffing Coordinator
CIBER, Inc.
(800) 324-6001, x1734 (toll free)
(248) 204-1734 (direct)

www.ciber.com
 
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From akulkis3 at hotpop.com  Sun Apr 22 13:02:38 2007
From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:02:38 +0400
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
In-Reply-To: <32898.216.144.215.245.1177243861.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
References: <462A4DB8.5090003@sbcglobal.net>
	<32898.216.144.215.245.1177243861.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
Message-ID: <462B952E.2030800@hotpop.com>

Carl T. Miller wrote:
> William Fisher wrote:
>> I've been hearing a lot about Web 2.0 lately.  Do any of you know if
>> this has anything to do with IPv6?  I'm just wondering if everything I'm
>> learning about TCP/IP is going to be obsolete.
> 
> I've heard that Web 2.0 is about interactive websites such
> as wikipedia.  The idea is that the first web was about
> websites with static data, and that with Web 2.0 anybody
> can be involved with adding content.

Web 2.0 is just a journalistic catch phrase.  It has no
technical meaning (i.e. there is no http version 2.0)

As for IPv6... that's been out for YEARS -- almost a decade now.



From unforgiven24 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 22 17:18:00 2007
From: unforgiven24 at gmail.com (Mike Ward)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:18:00 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
In-Reply-To: <462A4DB8.5090003@sbcglobal.net>
References: <462A4DB8.5090003@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <5aa434200704221418m243acaa0pf5bdbeb5cd9e6f74@mail.gmail.com>

Web2.0 is the web with upgraded tubes. Web 1.0 was just a truck.


Joke aside, it's not at all a technical issue, more of a social one.
I'd explain more, but I'll spare you my half-competent attempt and
just link you to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0

Essentially, "web 2.0" refers to a change from static sites to more
community sites, the idea of user-generated content, etc.

On 4/21/07, William Fisher <cxiiixc at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I've been hearing a lot about Web 2.0 lately.  Do any of you know if
> this has anything to do with IPv6?  I'm just wondering if everything I'm
> learning about TCP/IP is going to be obsolete.
>
> Will
> _______________________________________________
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> mdlug at mdlug.org
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>


From bobdion at starline-ent.com  Sun Apr 22 20:39:29 2007
From: bobdion at starline-ent.com (bob dion)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:39:29 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
In-Reply-To: <462A4DB8.5090003@sbcglobal.net>
References: <462A4DB8.5090003@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <462C0041.9090003@starline-ent.com>

William Fisher wrote:
> I've been hearing a lot about Web 2.0 lately.  Do any of you know if 
> this has anything to do with IPv6?  I'm just wondering if everything I'm 
> learning about TCP/IP is going to be obsolete.

Like everyone else said.

However, there was this article in the Freepress last week:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007704150604

enjoy
BD


From fati at venerealinjection.com  Sun Apr 22 21:31:41 2007
From: fati at venerealinjection.com (Fati)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:31:41 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] How can I set up a process initiated by another user to
	execute as my user ID?
In-Reply-To: <4623A194.2080502@hotpop.com>
References: <20070416.082436.2325.2811547@webmail23.lax.untd.com>
	<4623A194.2080502@hotpop.com>
Message-ID: <6f64e9540704221831u4743adb4p3466611cf0da59b2@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/16/07, Aaron Kulkis <akulkis3 at hotpop.com> wrote:
> gib at juno.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > How can I set up a process initiated by another user to execute as my
> > user ID?
> >
> > I have a process that logs into an ftp server with my user ID and my
> > password but I don't want to provide my password to someone else.  How
> > can I allow someone else to execute this process?
> >
>
> I'm assuming that it's compiled code, and not a shell script.
>
> If so, just make sure that YOU are the owner of the executable,
> and then use chmod to set the "set User ID" (setuid) bit.
>
> chmod 1755 executable_file
>
>
>
>
> > Alternatively, can I set up a process that will be able to read the
> > password from a secure location without the user seeing it?
> Yes, same way.
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>

4751 might be even better.  If the world has read permissions on the
binary, they may be able to find it as easily as running strings on
the binary.  In either case hard coding it period, even with a
debugger can still be found with a bit of persistance and gdb.  The
best compromise would probably be to make the program 700 and runnable
only as root with sudo.  In this way you could prevent anyone from
executing it with gdb or examining the binary for strings.

-- 
Fati
"I don't know what weapons World War Three will be fought with, but
World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones."  - Albert
Einstein


From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Mon Apr 23 08:30:20 2007
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:30:20 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
In-Reply-To: <32898.216.144.215.245.1177243861.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
Message-ID: <C2521F1C.32521%GregWojtak@quickenloans.com>

Moreover, Web 2.0 refers to the increasing number of sites that are using
more DHTML and AJAX to make the website less of a "wizard" type of feel (do
one step, click to submit that information and move on to the next step) to
a more interactive feel.  Kind of like running an application but inside of
a web browser.  Check out http://script.aculo.us for a very popular Web 2.0
javascript library.  It's got some pretty cool stuff in it.

Greg


On 4/22/07 8:11 AM, "Carl T. Miller" <millerc at cantonpl.org> wrote:

> William Fisher wrote:
>> I've been hearing a lot about Web 2.0 lately.  Do any of you know if
>> this has anything to do with IPv6?  I'm just wondering if everything I'm
>> learning about TCP/IP is going to be obsolete.
> 
> I've heard that Web 2.0 is about interactive websites such
> as wikipedia.  The idea is that the first web was about
> websites with static data, and that with Web 2.0 anybody
> can be involved with adding content.
> 
> c
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


From micorral at comcast.net  Mon Apr 23 10:21:07 2007
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:21:07 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704231014040.3776@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>

Wojtak, Greg a ecrit:
> Kind of like running an application but inside of
> a web browser.

Oh, you mean like how Java has been able to do for the
last 10+ years? How quaint. :)

Michael


From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Mon Apr 23 10:25:10 2007
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:25:10 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704231014040.3776@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
Message-ID: <C2523A06.32622%GregWojtak@quickenloans.com>

Yeah, except it doesn't take a half hour to load and run.  But yeah, it's
been around for a long time now and has just been given the AJAX
buzzword-moniker.  Station.

Greg


On 4/23/07 10:21 AM, "Michael Corral" <micorral at comcast.net> wrote:

> Wojtak, Greg a ecrit:
>> Kind of like running an application but inside of
>> a web browser.
> 
> Oh, you mean like how Java has been able to do for the
> last 10+ years? How quaint. :)
> 
> Michael
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


From wolfger at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 12:51:04 2007
From: wolfger at gmail.com (Wolfger)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:51:04 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Penguins, start your engines!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704161619350.2304@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
References: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704161619350.2304@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
Message-ID: <3b00b3330704230951k5f831cd9xd2a8ec36da765bbb@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/16/07, Michael Corral <micorral at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Instead of just promoting "Linux", they should be promoting the most
> user-friendly distro that "just works" on the desktop for grandma.
> So let's start an "Ubuntu Linux" Indy 500 sponsorship drive!

No way. Everybody knows the fastest penguin/distro/car is a Gentoo! :-D
Seriously, keep it generic and get more donations. If we focus on a
distro, there will be distro wars, resulting in fewer donations and
competing projects, and we may wind up with 2, 3, or 12 competing
distro racecars, none of which get sufficiently funded.

-- 
Wolfger
http://wolfger.wordpress.com/
http://1fjordaroad.wordpress.com/
AOL IM: wolf4coyot
Yahoo!Messenger: wolfgersilberbaer
Skype: wolfger88


From wolfger at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 12:56:25 2007
From: wolfger at gmail.com (Wolfger)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:56:25 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704231014040.3776@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
References: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704231014040.3776@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
Message-ID: <3b00b3330704230956j5aaae58fg44fb08b36680136d@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/23/07, Michael Corral <micorral at comcast.net> wrote:
> Wojtak, Greg a ecrit:
> > Kind of like running an application but inside of
> > a web browser.
>
> Oh, you mean like how Java has been able to do for the
> last 10+ years?

No. Much better. :-)

-- 
Wolfger
http://wolfger.wordpress.com/
http://1fjordaroad.wordpress.com/
AOL IM: wolf4coyot
Yahoo!Messenger: wolfgersilberbaer
Skype: wolfger88


From micorral at comcast.net  Mon Apr 23 13:57:51 2007
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:57:51 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704231349380.3776@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>

Wojtak, Greg a ecrit:
> Yeah, except it doesn't take a half hour to load and run.  But yeah,
> it's been around for a long time now and has just been given the AJAX
> buzzword-moniker.

Yeah, back in the Java 1.1 days applets were indeed not so great.
But nowadays, on modern machines, they're much better. Definitely
better than the webapps that use AJAX (i.e. DHTML + JavaScript).
With all the problems that JavaScript has (to the point where
many people just disable it in their browser), I just don't see
AJAX as a viable option. The AJAX apps I've seen are horrible.
Web 2.0 in general is just a bunch of hype about nothing.

Michael


From rrcb21 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 23 18:05:26 2007
From: rrcb21 at yahoo.com (Ron Blanchett)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:05:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] MonroeLUG April Meeting Announcement
Message-ID: <855193.60399.qm@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


=====MonroeLUG March Meeting Announcement=====

Topic: ?????
Date & Time: Tuesday April 23, 2007 6:00PM - 9:00PM
Place: Monroe County Community College La-Z-Boy Center Room Z-203 (Board Room)
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=1555+S.Raisinville+Rd.+monroe+mi+48161


Well hopefully from the above text you can see that MonroeLUG has
moved its meetings to a new night and a brand new meeting location.
We recently worked out a deal with Monroe County Community College
for meeting space and part of that deal was an agreement to move our
meetings to a night of the week that was easy for them to assure the room
we will be using is open and unlocked. That night being Tuesday.

With Penguicon having been just this past weekend and several of our members
having worked that convention we do not have a topic for this meeting.
If someone would like to volunteer to give the presentation
at the upcoming meetings please get in contact with me ASAP. Otherwise this
months meeting will be used for checking out our new location, planing future
meetings, working on recruitment, and general discussion; we might still be able
to get some of this done even if someone comes forth to volunteer to present.

Keep in mind that from month to month our meeting room may change so always
make sure to look at the announcement for what room we are going to be in. I have
been assured that all of the rooms have projectors, and a wireless network is available.

I look forward to seeing everyone at the meeting on Tuesday, for the mean time have a
save and happy week.

-Ron
MonroeLUG President






From as4109 at wayne.edu  Mon Apr 23 19:26:09 2007
From: as4109 at wayne.edu (David Lee Lambert)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:26:09 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] How can I set up a process initiated by another user	to
	execute as my user ID?
In-Reply-To: <6f64e9540704221831u4743adb4p3466611cf0da59b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070416.082436.2325.2811547@webmail23.lax.untd.com>
	<4623A194.2080502@hotpop.com>
	<6f64e9540704221831u4743adb4p3466611cf0da59b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1177370769.9537.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2007-04-22 at 21:31 -0400, Fati wrote:
> On 4/16/07, Aaron Kulkis <akulkis3 at hotpop.com> wrote:
> > gib at juno.com wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > How can I set up a process initiated by another user to execute as my
> > > user ID?
> > >
> > > I have a process that logs into an ftp server with my user ID and my
> > > password but I don't want to provide my password to someone else.  How
> > > can I allow someone else to execute this process?
> > >
> >
> > I'm assuming that it's compiled code, and not a shell script.
> >
> > If so, just make sure that YOU are the owner of the executable,
> > and then use chmod to set the "set User ID" (setuid) bit. [...]

> > > Alternatively, can I set up a process that will be able to read the
> > > password from a secure location without the user seeing it?
> > Yes, same way.

> 4751 might be even better.  If the world has read permissions on the
> binary, they may be able to find it as easily as running strings on
> the binary.  In either case hard coding it period, even with a

You don'd have to put the password in the binary:

#include <stdio.h>
#include <unistd.h>
#include "my_id_constants.h"

int main()
{
  if (TARGET_UID != geteuid()) {
    fprintf(stderr,"This program must be setuid %d to function properly
\n", TARGET_UID);
    exit(1); }

  FILE *f = fopen("/path/to/some/file","r"); /* a mode-600 file */
  char password[9]; password[0]=0;
  fscanf(f,"pass=%8[!-~]",password); 
  FILE *p = fopen("/path/to/safe/sock/to/ftp/process","w");
  fprintf(p,"%s\n",password);
  /* the C standard says no return-value means 0 */
}




From wolfger at gmail.com  Tue Apr 24 10:07:23 2007
From: wolfger at gmail.com (Wolfger)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:07:23 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704231349380.3776@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
References: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704231349380.3776@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
Message-ID: <3b00b3330704240707xe8ba6c7me123d9e43378487f@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/23/07, Michael Corral <micorral at comcast.net> wrote:

> Yeah, back in the Java 1.1 days applets were indeed not so great.
> But nowadays, on modern machines, they're much better. Definitely
> better than the webapps that use AJAX (i.e. DHTML + JavaScript).
> With all the problems that JavaScript has (to the point where
> many people just disable it in their browser), I just don't see
> AJAX as a viable option. The AJAX apps I've seen are horrible.

I think a couple million (?) Gmail users disagree with you. But you
are entitiled to your opinion. Personally, I use Firefox to limit what
Javascript can do, but I leave it enabled. Now I'm not sure of your
definition of "many", but I guarantee that MOST people do not disable
Javascript.

> Web 2.0 in general is just a bunch of hype about nothing.

Now that I agree with. But AJAX apps (done well) are teh sweet.

-- 
Wolfger
http://wolfger.wordpress.com/
http://1fjordaroad.wordpress.com/
AOL IM: wolf4coyot
Yahoo!Messenger: wolfgersilberbaer
Skype: wolfger88


From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Tue Apr 24 10:18:38 2007
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:18:38 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
In-Reply-To: <3b00b3330704240707xe8ba6c7me123d9e43378487f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C25389FE.328D6%GregWojtak@quickenloans.com>

My favourite example:  http://www.meebo.com

It is a site that allows you to connect to many different IM services over
the web.  Pretty sweet.


On 4/24/07 10:07 AM, "Wolfger" <wolfger at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 4/23/07, Michael Corral <micorral at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> Yeah, back in the Java 1.1 days applets were indeed not so great.
>> But nowadays, on modern machines, they're much better. Definitely
>> better than the webapps that use AJAX (i.e. DHTML + JavaScript).
>> With all the problems that JavaScript has (to the point where
>> many people just disable it in their browser), I just don't see
>> AJAX as a viable option. The AJAX apps I've seen are horrible.
> 
> I think a couple million (?) Gmail users disagree with you. But you
> are entitiled to your opinion. Personally, I use Firefox to limit what
> Javascript can do, but I leave it enabled. Now I'm not sure of your
> definition of "many", but I guarantee that MOST people do not disable
> Javascript.
> 
>> Web 2.0 in general is just a bunch of hype about nothing.
> 
> Now that I agree with. But AJAX apps (done well) are teh sweet.


From akulkis3 at hotpop.com  Tue Apr 24 12:14:14 2007
From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:14:14 +0400
Subject: [mdlug] Penguin Pete's Blog - Tux500 scam - news and links history
Message-ID: <462E2CD6.7060703@hotpop.com>

Subject says it all.

<http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=tux500_news_history&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1>




From tesral at comcast.net  Tue Apr 24 21:12:24 2007
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:12:24 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] The giant stumbles
Message-ID: <462EAAF8.8010809@comcast.net>

http://news.com.com/Dell+brings+back+XP+on+home+systems/2100-1046_3-6177619.html

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn Http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com



From bobdion at starline-ent.com  Wed Apr 25 07:17:38 2007
From: bobdion at starline-ent.com (bob dion)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:17:38 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] The giant stumbles
In-Reply-To: <462EAAF8.8010809@comcast.net>
References: <462EAAF8.8010809@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <462F38D2.6070500@starline-ent.com>

Garry Stahl wrote:
> http://news.com.com/Dell+brings+back+XP+on+home+systems/2100-1046_3-6177619.html
> 

I found it interesting is past weekend a couple of friends of mine, on 
two separate occasions, who are not anti MS,  made negative comments to 
me about Vista. One was livid that she could not by a PC without it.

Needless to say, I emailed here this link.

BD


From eaglecoach at wwnet.com  Wed Apr 25 22:26:02 2007
From: eaglecoach at wwnet.com (Robert Meier)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:26:02 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [(DIS)RECOMMENDATIONS] used/new laptop
Message-ID: <200704260226.l3Q2Q2qF032727@freehold.wwnet.com>

Portables,

My Dell Latitude laptop broke this weekend.
The 3mm square posts and hinge that attached the display to the console
broke at the screw holes.
Though I will attempt to chemically reweld the posts,
I am not confident of success.

I am looking for (dis)recommendations for a used (or new) laptop.

My principle uses include (most-frequent -> least frequent):
   o portable development environment (e.g. text editting)
   o portable training environment (e.g. java sandbox, flight simulator)
   o presentations (via local web server)
   o portable data entry (e.g. PS/2 barcode scanning)
   o sound recording
   o household appliance programming/control

At this time, my priniciple desired features include (most to least important):
   o long battery life (> 2hr)
     o inexpensive (non-proprietary) battery type
   o coaxial power supply plug (to use cheap power supplies at common sites)
     o ideally 12V for car use
   o robust
   o many output options (e.g. SVGA, TV)
   o mid to hi-fi sound input/output
   o support for wireless (either builtin or cardbus)
   o parallel port/serial port (preferably builtin)
   o usb-2.0

Any suggestions for manufacturers/models and/or features to seek or avoid
are appreciated.

TIA,
-- 
Dr. Robert J. Meier


From peter at petertheplumber.net  Thu Apr 26 05:14:42 2007
From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 05:14:42 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [(DIS)RECOMMENDATIONS] used/new laptop
In-Reply-To: <200704260226.l3Q2Q2qF032727@freehold.wwnet.com>
References: <200704260226.l3Q2Q2qF032727@freehold.wwnet.com>
Message-ID: <1177578883.19936.16.camel@plumber.site>

On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 22:26 -0400, Robert Meier wrote:
> Portables,
> 
> My Dell Latitude laptop broke this weekend.
> The 3mm square posts and hinge that attached the display to the console
> broke at the screw holes.
> Though I will attempt to chemically reweld the posts,
> I am not confident of success.
> 
> I am looking for (dis)recommendations for a used (or new) laptop.
> 
> My principle uses include (most-frequent -> least frequent):
>    o portable development environment (e.g. text editting)
>    o portable training environment (e.g. java sandbox, flight simulator)
>    o presentations (via local web server)
>    o portable data entry (e.g. PS/2 barcode scanning)
>    o sound recording
>    o household appliance programming/control
> 
> At this time, my priniciple desired features include (most to least important):
>    o long battery life (> 2hr)
>      o inexpensive (non-proprietary) battery type
>    o coaxial power supply plug (to use cheap power supplies at common sites)
>      o ideally 12V for car use
>    o robust
>    o many output options (e.g. SVGA, TV)
>    o mid to hi-fi sound input/output
>    o support for wireless (either builtin or cardbus)
>    o parallel port/serial port (preferably builtin)
>    o usb-2.0
> 
> Any suggestions for manufacturers/models and/or features to seek or avoid
> are appreciated.
> 
> TIA,

Dr. Meier,
	Either a Lenovo T60p
<http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/notebooks/thinkpad/t-series/workstation.html?re=home_Innov_us>, or something from <http://itxchange.com/ITXchange/>. I've bought a fair amount of stuff from the latter. Never a problem.
	The red plane is still flying, the glider was sacrificed for it's
servo's and receiver.

Regards,
-- 
Peter Bart <peter at petertheplumber.net>
http://petertheplumber.net



From tmorris at ugs.com  Thu Apr 26 09:40:41 2007
From: tmorris at ugs.com (Morris, Tim)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:40:41 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] [(DIS)RECOMMENDATIONS] used/new laptop
In-Reply-To: <200704260226.l3Q2Q2qF032727@freehold.wwnet.com>
Message-ID: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2029AF149@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>

I love my Dell D810... 
* Nice keyboard/touchpad layout (or I'm used to it :)
* Good battery lif (2.5 hours with a new battery)
* Plays World of Warcraft very well (even windowed!)
!! Dells do seem a bit cheaper on some components. IBMs last longer.
!! Battery is proprietary (aren't all laptop batteries?)
!! PSU actually has an ID signal, telling the D810 if it's a supported
model. If it's not, it will NOT charge the battery.   	Found that out
the hard way with my UN-supported 12v adapter.
* I believe it has S-Video/Composite & S/PDIF out using a dongle.
* USB 2.0
* Serial port
!! No PS/2 ports (except on dock)
!! No parallel port. (except on dock)
* DVI-D port on dock (not on laptop)

That probably doesn't help you, but at least you know NOT to buy one if
those features are really important to you!

I also like my IBM A31p, but it's not with me at the moment so I can't
tell you what ports it has/doesn't have. I do know it is NOT usb 2.0
however.

I have a slew of other Dell <400MHz laptops also, but you don't want any
of those... Trust me.

--  Tim Morris - UGS

-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf
Of Robert Meier
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:26 PM
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: [mdlug] [(DIS)RECOMMENDATIONS] used/new laptop

Portables,

My Dell Latitude laptop broke this weekend.
The 3mm square posts and hinge that attached the display to the console
broke at the screw holes.
Though I will attempt to chemically reweld the posts, I am not confident
of success.

I am looking for (dis)recommendations for a used (or new) laptop.

My principle uses include (most-frequent -> least frequent):
   o portable development environment (e.g. text editting)
   o portable training environment (e.g. java sandbox, flight simulator)
   o presentations (via local web server)
   o portable data entry (e.g. PS/2 barcode scanning)
   o sound recording
   o household appliance programming/control

At this time, my priniciple desired features include (most to least
important):
   o long battery life (> 2hr)
     o inexpensive (non-proprietary) battery type
   o coaxial power supply plug (to use cheap power supplies at common
sites)
     o ideally 12V for car use
   o robust
   o many output options (e.g. SVGA, TV)
   o mid to hi-fi sound input/output
   o support for wireless (either builtin or cardbus)
   o parallel port/serial port (preferably builtin)
   o usb-2.0

Any suggestions for manufacturers/models and/or features to seek or
avoid are appreciated.

TIA,
--
Dr. Robert J. Meier
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


From tmorris at ugs.com  Thu Apr 26 10:06:04 2007
From: tmorris at ugs.com (Morris, Tim)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:06:04 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Transfer Calculator
In-Reply-To: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2029AF149@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>
Message-ID: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2029AF197@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>

Here's a little something I hacked together a little while ago. I
thought some of you might find it useful.

It almost qualifies for WEB 2.0 ... But not really. :)

http://timspage.kicks-ass.net/Misc/TransferCalculator/

I didn't actually write it from scratch, I used the SG Bits/Bytes
converter as a base. http://www.speedguide.net/conversion.php



From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Thu Apr 26 10:07:57 2007
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 10:07:57 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Transfer Calculator
In-Reply-To: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2029AF197@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>
Message-ID: <C2562A7D.32EA8%GregWojtak@quickenloans.com>

*Wipes a single tear from his eye.*

It's beautiful.  Must be Web 1.6. ;)


On 4/26/07 10:06 AM, "Morris, Tim" <tmorris at ugs.com> wrote:

> Here's a little something I hacked together a little while ago. I
> thought some of you might find it useful.
> 
> It almost qualifies for WEB 2.0 ... But not really. :)
> 
> http://timspage.kicks-ass.net/Misc/TransferCalculator/
> 
> I didn't actually write it from scratch, I used the SG Bits/Bytes
> converter as a base. http://www.speedguide.net/conversion.php
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> mdlug at mdlug.org
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From billings at negate.org  Fri Apr 27 07:17:33 2007
From: billings at negate.org (Jonathan Billings)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 07:17:33 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Transfer Calculator
In-Reply-To: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2029AF197@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>
References: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2029AF197@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>
Message-ID: <4631DBCD.4080703@negate.org>

Morris, Tim wrote:
> Here's a little something I hacked together a little while ago. I
> thought some of you might find it useful.
> 
> It almost qualifies for WEB 2.0 ... But not really. :)
> 
> http://timspage.kicks-ass.net/Misc/TransferCalculator/
> 
> I didn't actually write it from scratch, I used the SG Bits/Bytes
> converter as a base. http://www.speedguide.net/conversion.php

While it is a very cool web app, I don't think it counts as Web 2.0, 
because it lacks a server component.  Typically, you see things like 
AJAX in the browser and XML-RPC requests between server logic and 
browser logic.

-- 
Jonathan Billings <billings at negate.org>


From micorral at comcast.net  Fri Apr 27 11:06:08 2007
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:06:08 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704271050510.3816@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>

Wolfger a ecrit:
> On 4/23/07, Michael Corral wrote:
>> With all the problems that JavaScript has (to the point where
>> many people just disable it in their browser), I just don't see
>> AJAX as a viable option. The AJAX apps I've seen are horrible.
>
> I think a couple million (?) Gmail users disagree with you.

I think a lot of Gmail users have not been happy lately.
There have been a number of problems with Google AJAX apps
recently, including Gmail:
<http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/042607-google-frantic-about-personalized-home.html>

Michael


From billings at negate.org  Fri Apr 27 11:13:34 2007
From: billings at negate.org (Jonathan Billings)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:13:34 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704271050510.3816@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
References: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704271050510.3816@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
Message-ID: <4632131E.9010502@negate.org>

Michael Corral wrote:
> Wolfger a ecrit:
>> On 4/23/07, Michael Corral wrote:
>>> With all the problems that JavaScript has (to the point where
>>> many people just disable it in their browser), I just don't see
>>> AJAX as a viable option. The AJAX apps I've seen are horrible.
>> I think a couple million (?) Gmail users disagree with you.
> 
> I think a lot of Gmail users have not been happy lately.
> There have been a number of problems with Google AJAX apps
> recently, including Gmail:
> <http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/042607-google-frantic-about-personalized-home.html>

If anything, this is a sign that Google users *want* more AJAX, since 
the problem is that people are encountering bugs with the storage of 
customizations they make to their home page.  If they didn't want it, 
they wouldn't be adding RSS feeds, gadgets and other knobs to their 
customized home page.

Certainly, it is frustrating when the usual fluid interface you get with 
the google home page is broken or reverted to a previous version, but I 
wouldn't take that as a vote against AJAX apps.

-- 
Jonathan Billings <billings at negate.org>


From akulkis3 at hotpop.com  Fri Apr 27 11:27:13 2007
From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:27:13 +0400
Subject: [mdlug] Transfer Calculator
In-Reply-To: <4631DBCD.4080703@negate.org>
References: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2029AF197@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>
	<4631DBCD.4080703@negate.org>
Message-ID: <46321651.4030201@hotpop.com>

Jonathan Billings wrote:
> Morris, Tim wrote:
>> Here's a little something I hacked together a little while ago. I
>> thought some of you might find it useful.
>>
>> It almost qualifies for WEB 2.0 ... But not really. :)
>>
>> http://timspage.kicks-ass.net/Misc/TransferCalculator/
>>
>> I didn't actually write it from scratch, I used the SG Bits/Bytes
>> converter as a base. http://www.speedguide.net/conversion.php
> 
> While it is a very cool web app, I don't think it counts as Web 2.0,

But who cares?

Web 2.0 is NOT a standard, it's just a media buzz-word.

It reminds me of two guys I once overheard debating what
they considered to be the finer points of some Dungeons
& Dragons house-rule... on the grounds of "realism".

ARGH!

Just as D&D is not real, likewise, there is no standard
called "Web 2.0"

Buying into the lingo of propagandizers only empowers them,
and rarely for your benefit.



> because it lacks a server component.  Typically, you see things like 
> AJAX in the browser and XML-RPC requests between server logic and 
> browser logic.






From billings at negate.org  Fri Apr 27 11:59:01 2007
From: billings at negate.org (Jonathan Billings)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:59:01 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Transfer Calculator
In-Reply-To: <46321651.4030201@hotpop.com>
References: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2029AF197@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>	<4631DBCD.4080703@negate.org>
	<46321651.4030201@hotpop.com>
Message-ID: <46321DC5.2090604@negate.org>

Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> Jonathan Billings wrote:
>> While it is a very cool web app, I don't think it counts as Web 2.0,
> 
> But who cares?
> 
> Web 2.0 is NOT a standard, it's just a media buzz-word.

Web 2.0 is a pretty vague term, I agree.  However, Asynchronous 
Javascript and XML (AJAX) is well-defined, as is the other protocols it 
is layered on.

> Buying into the lingo of propagandizers only empowers them,
> and rarely for your benefit.

Maybe I'm not the right target audience, however, I haven't found anyone 
trying to abuse some sort of business relationship with me using the 
term Web 2.0.  I probably don't read the right trade magazines.  Its 
like the term, "The Internet Superhighway".  It's not really like a 
highway, but you keep hearing it used by people who don't know better, 
or who *should* know better.  (And it is really a series of tubes 
anyway... :)

Should you care about the technology referred to with the term "Web 
2.0"?  I think so.

-- 
Jonathan Billings <billings at negate.org>


From akulkis3 at hotpop.com  Fri Apr 27 12:07:36 2007
From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:07:36 +0400
Subject: [mdlug] Transfer Calculator
In-Reply-To: <46321DC5.2090604@negate.org>
References: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2029AF197@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>	<4631DBCD.4080703@negate.org>	<46321651.4030201@hotpop.com>
	<46321DC5.2090604@negate.org>
Message-ID: <46321FC8.9050101@hotpop.com>

Jonathan Billings wrote:
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>> Jonathan Billings wrote:
>>> While it is a very cool web app, I don't think it counts as Web 2.0,
>> But who cares?
>>
>> Web 2.0 is NOT a standard, it's just a media buzz-word.
> 
> Web 2.0 is a pretty vague term, I agree.  However, Asynchronous 
> Javascript and XML (AJAX) is well-defined, as is the other protocols it 
> is layered on.
> 
>> Buying into the lingo of propagandizers only empowers them,
>> and rarely for your benefit.
> 
> Maybe I'm not the right target audience, however, I haven't found anyone 
> trying to abuse some sort of business relationship with me using the 
> term Web 2.0.  I probably don't read the right trade magazines.  Its 
> like the term, "The Internet Superhighway".  It's not really like a 

Fuzzy terms for fuzzy-headed people, I always say.

> highway, but you keep hearing it used by people who don't know better, 
> or who *should* know better.  (And it is really a series of tubes 
> anyway... :)
> 
> Should you care about the technology referred to with the term "Web 
> 2.0"?  I think so.
> 





From tmorris at ugs.com  Fri Apr 27 16:16:29 2007
From: tmorris at ugs.com (Morris, Tim)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:16:29 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Transfer Calculator
In-Reply-To: <46321FC8.9050101@hotpop.com>
Message-ID: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2029AF99B@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>

The funny thing is, I never actually said it _was_ web 2.0..

I said it was _like_ 2.0, "but not really"... As was said, there is no
server component, and therefore or Async Js, and therefore no AJAX. 

I thought the Web 2.0 argument was a different thread... That'll teach
me!

But hey! If you enjoy the calculator, then great!

--  Tim Morris - UGS

-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf
Of Aaron Kulkis
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:08 PM
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Transfer Calculator

Jonathan Billings wrote:
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>> Jonathan Billings wrote:
>>> While it is a very cool web app, I don't think it counts as Web 2.0,
>> But who cares?
>>
>> Web 2.0 is NOT a standard, it's just a media buzz-word.
> 
> Web 2.0 is a pretty vague term, I agree.  However, Asynchronous 
> Javascript and XML (AJAX) is well-defined, as is the other protocols 
> it is layered on.
> 
>> Buying into the lingo of propagandizers only empowers them, and 
>> rarely for your benefit.
> 
> Maybe I'm not the right target audience, however, I haven't found 
> anyone trying to abuse some sort of business relationship with me 
> using the term Web 2.0.  I probably don't read the right trade 
> magazines.  Its like the term, "The Internet Superhighway".  It's not 
> really like a

Fuzzy terms for fuzzy-headed people, I always say.

> highway, but you keep hearing it used by people who don't know better,

> or who *should* know better.  (And it is really a series of tubes 
> anyway... :)
> 
> Should you care about the technology referred to with the term "Web 
> 2.0"?  I think so.
> 



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From eaglecoach at wwnet.com  Fri Apr 27 09:19:00 2007
From: eaglecoach at wwnet.com (Robert Meier)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:19:00 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] MDLUG usage reminder
Message-ID: <4631F844.mail8LU11G0B4@freehold.wwnet.com>

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From millerc at cantonpl.org  Fri Apr 27 16:59:12 2007
From: millerc at cantonpl.org (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:59:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Transfer Calculator
In-Reply-To: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2029AF99B@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>
References: <46321FC8.9050101@hotpop.com>
	<B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2029AF99B@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>
Message-ID: <32898.216.144.215.245.1177707552.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>

Morris, Tim wrote:
> But hey! If you enjoy the calculator, then great!

Yes, actually I was wondering if you'd mind sharing the code.
I'm guessing that it's all done in php.

c




From millerc at cantonpl.org  Fri Apr 27 17:13:55 2007
From: millerc at cantonpl.org (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:13:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] [(DIS)RECOMMENDATIONS] used/new laptop
In-Reply-To: <200704260226.l3Q2Q2qF032727@freehold.wwnet.com>
References: <200704260226.l3Q2Q2qF032727@freehold.wwnet.com>
Message-ID: <33096.216.144.215.245.1177708435.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>

Robert Meier wrote:
> I am looking for (dis)recommendations for a used (or new) laptop.
>
> My principle uses include (most-frequent -> least frequent):
>    o portable development environment (e.g. text editting)
>    o portable training environment (e.g. java sandbox, flight simulator)
>    o presentations (via local web server)
>    o portable data entry (e.g. PS/2 barcode scanning)
>    o sound recording
>    o household appliance programming/control
>
> At this time, my priniciple desired features include (most to least
> important):
>    o long battery life (> 2hr)
>      o inexpensive (non-proprietary) battery type
>    o coaxial power supply plug (to use cheap power supplies at common
> sites)
>      o ideally 12V for car use
>    o robust
>    o many output options (e.g. SVGA, TV)
>    o mid to hi-fi sound input/output
>    o support for wireless (either builtin or cardbus)
>    o parallel port/serial port (preferably builtin)
>    o usb-2.0

Dr. Bob, the last time I needed to buy a laptop I spec'ed out
one from Dell that I liked.  I compared it to other ones, and
Best Buys' online website had a deal on an Averatec with a rebate.
The Averatec didn't come with Dell's name or warranty, but it
was 1/3 the price of the Dell model.  I remembered thinking it
was worth the gamble, because I could buy two of these if I
had to and still come out ahead.  That was two years ago and
I've had no problems.

Other than more memory and a faster hard drive, I haven't
needed to get replacement parts--so I can't vouch for how
easy it is to get parts.  The 6200 series plays DVDs and
has svideo out, but no parallel or serial ports.  I'm not
sure what features are currently built in on current models,
but it would be worth looking at what they have to offer.

c




From billings at negate.org  Fri Apr 27 17:57:53 2007
From: billings at negate.org (Jonathan Billings)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:57:53 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Transfer Calculator
In-Reply-To: <32898.216.144.215.245.1177707552.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
References: <46321FC8.9050101@hotpop.com>	<B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2029AF99B@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>
	<32898.216.144.215.245.1177707552.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
Message-ID: <463271E1.6020704@negate.org>

Carl T. Miller wrote:
> Morris, Tim wrote:
>> But hey! If you enjoy the calculator, then great!
> 
> Yes, actually I was wondering if you'd mind sharing the code.
> I'm guessing that it's all done in php.

Since it's just javascript, just view the source.  There is no server 
component.

-- 
Jonathan Billings <billings at negate.org>


From gib at juno.com  Sat Apr 28 12:24:09 2007
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:24:09 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Transfer Calculator
Message-ID: <20070428.092410.725.1195221@webmail18.lax.untd.com>

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From rkannan at peoplepc.com  Sun Apr 29 02:42:24 2007
From: rkannan at peoplepc.com (R Kannan)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 02:42:24 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] k3b keeps appending to DVD-RW
Message-ID: <1177828944.16135.6.camel@hppavilion.kannanhome>

Hi,

When I try to write on to DVD-RW in K3b, it keeps adding to the tracks
(adding to te existing data) When I try to erase the data on the DVD by
"Tools->Format DVD+-RW", it says there is no need to erase. Is there a
setting that I need to change? Am I missing something obvious?

TIA for any advice.
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From eaglecoach at wwnet.com  Mon Apr 30 01:14:07 2007
From: eaglecoach at wwnet.com (Robert Meier)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 01:14:07 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] k3b keeps appending to DVD-RW
In-Reply-To: <1177828944.16135.6.camel@hppavilion.kannanhome> (message from R
	Kannan on Sun, 29 Apr 2007 02:42:24 -0400)
References: <1177828944.16135.6.camel@hppavilion.kannanhome>
Message-ID: <200704300514.l3U5E7nq028614@freehold.wwnet.com>

R,

> When I try to write on to DVD-RW in K3b, it keeps adding to the tracks
> (adding to te existing data) When I try to erase the data on the DVD by
> "Tools->Format DVD+-RW", it says there is no need to erase.

> Is there a setting that I need to change?
> Am I missing something obvious?

I suspect you are unaware that nearly all CD/DVD writer hardware,
writes TAO (track at once).  The inexpensive writers depend on
steady mechanical rotation and precisely timed laser modulation.
Once the mechanical rotation begins, it cannot be stopped or
even slowed significantly.

Consequently, tools like k3b (and underlying cdrecord) queue
files for later writing.  When you drag and drop files on the "tracks"
in k3b they are added to the queue.  Later when you select
"burn ... to CD/DVD" the queue is executed.  Since the format is
laid down with the data, there is no need to separately erase.

Hopefully helpful,
-- 
Dr. Robert J. Meier


From rkannan at peoplepc.com  Mon Apr 30 09:38:20 2007
From: rkannan at peoplepc.com (R Kannan)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:38:20 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] k3b keeps appending to DVD-RW
In-Reply-To: <200704300514.l3U5E7nq028614@freehold.wwnet.com>
References: <1177828944.16135.6.camel@hppavilion.kannanhome>
	<200704300514.l3U5E7nq028614@freehold.wwnet.com>
Message-ID: <1177940300.20512.17.camel@hppavilion.kannanhome>

Dr. Meijer,

Thanks for taking the time to help.

But I think you misunderstood my question. I was not talking about
adding or removing files from a DVD project.

I was trying to erase the contents of a DVD-RW by using "Tools->Format
DVD-RW". When I try that it says the following

Checking media
Found DVD-RW media
No need to format DVD-RW media more than once.
It may simply be overwritten

But when I go to burn the DVD, it adds the new files to the existing
files in the DVD-RW without 'overwriting' them. How do I make it
overwrite the DVD-RW.

TIA for your help.

On Mon, 2007-04-30 at 01:14, Robert Meier wrote:

> R,
> 
> > When I try to write on to DVD-RW in K3b, it keeps adding to the tracks
> > (adding to te existing data) When I try to erase the data on the DVD by
> > "Tools->Format DVD+-RW", it says there is no need to erase.
> 
> > Is there a setting that I need to change?
> > Am I missing something obvious?
> 
> I suspect you are unaware that nearly all CD/DVD writer hardware,
> writes TAO (track at once).  The inexpensive writers depend on
> steady mechanical rotation and precisely timed laser modulation.
> Once the mechanical rotation begins, it cannot be stopped or
> even slowed significantly.
> 
> Consequently, tools like k3b (and underlying cdrecord) queue
> files for later writing.  When you drag and drop files on the "tracks"
> in k3b they are added to the queue.  Later when you select
> "burn ... to CD/DVD" the queue is executed.  Since the format is
> laid down with the data, there is no need to separately erase.
> 
> Hopefully helpful,
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From Lists at addictz.org  Sun Apr  1 01:27:52 2007
From: Lists at addictz.org (Mike)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 01:27:52 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] virtual alias table
In-Reply-To: <236143.93972.qm@web55512.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <236143.93972.qm@web55512.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <460F42D8.7000508@addictz.org>

jack freeman wrote:
> Im setting up my mail server with postfix and I am looking for a better example of of the virtual alias table then what postfixs web site has, haven a hard time following it. Im hosting for a few different domains. If anyone knows of a good example if you could send it my way.
> 
> Jack
> 

Which virtual tables are you looking for?  Are you looking for the
virtual user's table?  virtual domain table?

Here is what my virtual_alias_domains looks like:

root at Slacker2:/etc/postfix# cat virtual_alias_domains
# Virtual Alias Domains
addictzsystems.org              20050928

Here is what my virtual_alias_maps looks like:

root at Slacker2:/etc/postfix# cat virtual_alias_maps
postmaster at addictzsystems.org   mikedawg at addictz.org
abuse at addictzsystems.org        mikedawg at addictz.org
mikedawg at addictzsystems.org     mikedawg at addictz.org


From eaglecoach at wwnet.com  Sun Apr  1 11:23:56 2007
From: eaglecoach at wwnet.com (Robert Meier)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 11:23:56 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] digikam merging and sqlite3
Message-ID: <200704011523.l31FNuUf031489@freehold.wwnet.com>

Shutterbugs,

Is anyone using digikam?

Does anyone know how to merge digikam collections (root directories)?

Does anyone know how to extract/alter info in digikam.db?



I have two digikam directories, each with its own hierarchy of albums.
The photos in each are carefully captioned.

I need to combine them into one new collection without losing the captions.
If I simply copy the photos (*/*.jpg) from one collection into the other,
all the captions (in digikam.db of the source collection) are lost (do not
get inserted into digikam.db of the target collection).

I understand that digikam.db "contains an sqlite3 database", but
  bash> sqlite3 digikam.db
reports the file is either encrypted or not an sqlite3 database.

Any help appreciated,
-- 
Dr. Robert J. Meier


From mat.enders at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 15:40:35 2007
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (Mathew Enders)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 15:40:35 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New free Hispeed from Google
Message-ID: <1175456435.5999.2.camel@mobiledaddy>

Check it ou Google is offering Free High Speed access.

http://www.google.com/tisp/press.html



From rherrell at twmi.rr.com  Sun Apr  1 15:44:15 2007
From: rherrell at twmi.rr.com (Richard Herrell)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 15:44:15 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New free Hispeed from Google
In-Reply-To: <1175456435.5999.2.camel@mobiledaddy>
References: <1175456435.5999.2.camel@mobiledaddy>
Message-ID: <46100B8F.2070506@twmi.rr.com>

You realize that today is April fools day right?

Mathew Enders wrote:
> Check it ou Google is offering Free High Speed access.
>
> http://www.google.com/tisp/press.html
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>
>   



From micorral at comcast.net  Sun Apr  1 15:46:24 2007
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 15:46:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] New free Hispeed from Google
In-Reply-To: <46100B8F.2070506@twmi.rr.com>
References: <1175456435.5999.2.camel@mobiledaddy>
	<46100B8F.2070506@twmi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.0.98.0704011544100.2224@banana.sluggo.net>

2007-04-01, Monsieur Richard Herrell a ecrit:
> You realize that today is April fools day right?
>
> Mathew Enders wrote:
>> Check it ou Google is offering Free High Speed access.
>>
>> http://www.google.com/tisp/press.html

In related news, Microsoft has announced the release of
MS Office 2007 for Linux and the purchase of Canonical/Ubuntu!

Michael


From mathew.enders at prodigy.net  Sun Apr  1 17:10:46 2007
From: mathew.enders at prodigy.net (Mathew Enders)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 17:10:46 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New free Hispeed from Google
In-Reply-To: <46100B8F.2070506@twmi.rr.com>
References: <1175456435.5999.2.camel@mobiledaddy>
	<46100B8F.2070506@twmi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1175461846.5999.3.camel@mobiledaddy>

On Sun, 2007-04-01 at 15:44 -0400, Richard Herrell wrote:
> You realize that today is April fools day right?
> 

Yes but the real question was did you?



From mat.enders at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 17:24:16 2007
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (Mathew Enders)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 17:24:16 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] WOW Gmail is also offering paper archiving!!
Message-ID: <1175462656.5999.6.camel@mobiledaddy>

	Will Google never stop with all of these free features.

<https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=mail&passive=true&rm=false&continue=http%3A%2F%2Fmail.google.com%2Fmail%3Fui%3Dhtml%26zy%3Dl&ltmpl=paper_tlsosm_t&ltmplcache=2>



From peter at petertheplumber.net  Sun Apr  1 19:00:53 2007
From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 19:00:53 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New free Hispeed from Google
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.98.0704011544100.2224@banana.sluggo.net>
References: <1175456435.5999.2.camel@mobiledaddy>
	<46100B8F.2070506@twmi.rr.com>
	<alpine.LFD.0.98.0704011544100.2224@banana.sluggo.net>
Message-ID: <1175468453.4572.11.camel@plumber.site>

On Sun, 2007-04-01 at 15:46 -0400, Michael Corral wrote:
> 2007-04-01, Monsieur Richard Herrell a ecrit:
> > You realize that today is April fools day right?
> >
> > Mathew Enders wrote:
> >> Check it ou Google is offering Free High Speed access.
> >>
> >> http://www.google.com/tisp/press.html
> 
> In related news, Microsoft has announced the release of
> MS Office 2007 for Linux and the purchase of Canonical/Ubuntu!

Finally, my fiendish, devilishly simple plan for world domination takes
shape!!!!

Peter Bart <peter at petertheplumber.net>
http://petertheplumber.net



From dobwan at earthlink.net  Sun Apr  1 21:10:24 2007
From: dobwan at earthlink.net (Duane Brown)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 21:10:24 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New free Hispeed from Google
In-Reply-To: <1175468453.4572.11.camel@plumber.site>
References: <1175456435.5999.2.camel@mobiledaddy>	<46100B8F.2070506@twmi.rr.com>	<alpine.LFD.0.98.0704011544100.2224@banana.sluggo.net>
	<1175468453.4572.11.camel@plumber.site>
Message-ID: <46105800.8000009@earthlink.net>


>>> You realize that today is April fools day right?
>>>       
>>>> Check it ou Google is offering Free High Speed access.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.google.com/tisp/press.html
>>>>         
>> In related news, Microsoft has announced the release of
>> MS Office 2007 for Linux and the purchase of Canonical/Ubuntu!
>>     
>
> Finally, my fiendish, devilishly simple plan for world domination takes
> shape!!!!
>
> Peter Bart <peter at petertheplumber.net>
> http://petertheplumber.net
I assume you are referring to the professional installation option, 
right? I ordered mine when should I expect you?

Duane

PS I'd just done a google search and saw this. I thought it was such a 
clever joke I forwarded it to family and friends. Then I realized some 
of them would think this was a real product, specifically one of my 
siblings.


From peter at petertheplumber.net  Sun Apr  1 21:26:59 2007
From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 21:26:59 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] New free Hispeed from Google
In-Reply-To: <46105800.8000009@earthlink.net>
References: <1175456435.5999.2.camel@mobiledaddy>
	<46100B8F.2070506@twmi.rr.com>
	<alpine.LFD.0.98.0704011544100.2224@banana.sluggo.net>
	<1175468453.4572.11.camel@plumber.site>
	<46105800.8000009@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1175477219.4572.18.camel@plumber.site>

On Sun, 2007-04-01 at 21:10 -0400, Duane Brown wrote:
> >>> You realize that today is April fools day right?
> >>>       
> >>>> Check it ou Google is offering Free High Speed access.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.google.com/tisp/press.html
> >>>>         
> >> In related news, Microsoft has announced the release of
> >> MS Office 2007 for Linux and the purchase of Canonical/Ubuntu!
> >>     
> >
> > Finally, my fiendish, devilishly simple plan for world domination takes
> > shape!!!!
> >
> > Peter Bart <peter at petertheplumber.net>
> > http://petertheplumber.net
> I assume you are referring to the professional installation option, 
> right? I ordered mine when should I expect you?
> 
> Duane
> 
> PS I'd just done a google search and saw this. I thought it was such a 
> clever joke I forwarded it to family and friends. Then I realized some 
> of them would think this was a real product, specifically one of my 
> siblings.

Duane,
	We'll be there right after coffee break................... As for the
sibling part, I would have to second that with several family members.
It was just too funny to pass up on, very well done with legitimate
links sprinkled throughout and I thought for a few seconds of sending
this to my customers. So I sent it to my suppliers instead.
-- 
Peter Bart <peter at petertheplumber.net>
http://petertheplumber.net
Factory Trained TiSP Installer



From radkins at impelind.com  Mon Apr  2 08:12:53 2007
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 08:12:53 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Hey Look! A new "darling" distro...
In-Reply-To: <460D72DD.5030402@comcast.net>
References: <460D5A2C.1020103@impelind.com> <460D72DD.5030402@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4610F345.10205@impelind.com>

Garry Stahl wrote:
> Robert Adkins wrote:
>   
>>    ..on the block.
>>
>>     To get back to an earlier conversation topic:
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>>     
> Easy eh?  I want bomb proof.  I want something I can give my Pop and he
> cannot break.  Idiot proof is too much to ask, but Idiot resistant would
> be a nice thing.
>
> Better Pop should be able to change things like printers and monitors
> without breaking it. 
>   
    I'm looking at setting up something for my pop. He's completely 
computer illiterate and hosed a Win2K no-rights profile in less than 8 
hours while looking up stuff about Harley-Davidson Motorcycles.

    My plan is to write up a few scripts to restore default settings at 
every login, while maintaining any bookmarks and certain settings 
changes, like wallpaper and or desktop themes, if he decides to play 
with those. I am thinking of going with XFCE4 as a base, since it is 
fairly simple. He'll only need a web browser for the most part, so the 
simpler the desktop, the fewer straight in front of him options, the better.

    -Rob


From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Mon Apr  2 09:23:52 2007
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:23:52 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Vista DRM hurts Linux?
In-Reply-To: <460C3A43.8070404@hotpop.com>
Message-ID: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CBA@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>


> From: Aaron Kulkis

> But with the DRM thing, they HAVE to do it..because they made
> promises to the Hollywood crowd that they will take action
> against all "offending" hardware.... they've pretty well screwed
> themselves, because they've placed themselves under legally
> binding contracts to disable the hardware at Hollywood's behest.

 MS has betrayed every business partner they've ever had, so far as I know.
Why should Hollywood be different? I'll bet there's plenty of wiggle room
in those contracts.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                                 (313) 227-2317

 "So when it comes to sacrifice [after 9/11], don't kid yourself. You have
 given up a lot. You've given up faith in your government's honesty, the
 goodwill of people overseas, and six-tenths of the Bill of Rights. Here's
 what you've sacrificed: search and seizure, warrants, self-incrimination,
 trial by jury, cruel and unusual punishment. Here's what you have left:
 hand guns, religion, and they can't make you quarter a British soldier."
                             - Bill Maher
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From wolfger at gmail.com  Mon Apr  2 10:33:16 2007
From: wolfger at gmail.com (Wolfger)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:33:16 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] digikam merging and sqlite3
In-Reply-To: <200704011523.l31FNuUf031489@freehold.wwnet.com>
References: <200704011523.l31FNuUf031489@freehold.wwnet.com>
Message-ID: <3b00b3330704020733j516b4fe8m3a77be16b84316dd@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/1/07, Robert Meier <eaglecoach at wwnet.com> wrote:
>
> Shutterbugs,
>
> Is anyone using digikam?
> Does anyone know how to merge digikam collections (root directories)?
> Does anyone know how to extract/alter info in digikam.db?
>

Yes, no, and no. Sorry.


-- 
Wolfger
http://randomsynapsefiring.eponym.com/
AOL IM: wolf4coyot
Yahoo!Messenger: wolfgersilberbaer
Skype: wolfger88
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From tesral at comcast.net  Mon Apr  2 12:21:49 2007
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:21:49 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Hey Look! A new "darling" distro...
In-Reply-To: <4610F345.10205@impelind.com>
References: <460D5A2C.1020103@impelind.com> <460D72DD.5030402@comcast.net>
	<4610F345.10205@impelind.com>
Message-ID: <46112D9D.6060609@comcast.net>

Robert Adkins wrote:
>     I'm looking at setting up something for my pop. He's completely 
> computer illiterate and hosed a Win2K no-rights profile in less than 8 
> hours while looking up stuff about Harley-Davidson Motorcycles.
>   

Let's face it, windows, any version, is not hard to hose.  As long as
the windows developer community treats security as "not my problem" it
will remain easy to hose.  Add the back doors microsloth puts in their
own software and you don't find that much hose in a fire house.

The beauty of Linux is the fact you can customize the desktop and the
login account to the skills of the user.  You can lock it up tighter
than th 90 year-old nun in a virtual convent, give them root, or
anything in between.

But I'm preaching to the choir here.  I guess my "darling distro" is
Lego Linux.  Clear instructions and a modular install that someone
without a clue can successfully install.  Too many distros I have
encountered are ambiguous about aspects of the install process.  You are
given options, and if you do not come to the install with certain
knowledge the direction to choose is not at all clear.

Unbuntu is at least decent about that.  However the resulting install is
like windows.  One size fits all.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn Http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com



From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Mon Apr  2 14:17:09 2007
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:17:09 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Microsoft flubs the World Cup in Cricket
Message-ID: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CBF@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>


  http://www.bobharris.com/content/view/1344/1/

 Well, okay, technically it wasn't their *direct* fault, but... :->

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                               (313) 227-2317

 "[W]hen people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong. When people
 thought the earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that
 thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth
   is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together."
                           - Isaac Asimov
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From akulkis3 at hotpop.com  Mon Apr  2 17:48:41 2007
From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 01:48:41 +0400
Subject: [mdlug] Vista DRM hurts Linux?
In-Reply-To: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CBA@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CBA@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <46117A39.9000607@hotpop.com>

Ingles, Raymond wrote:
>> From: Aaron Kulkis
> 
>> But with the DRM thing, they HAVE to do it..because they made
>> promises to the Hollywood crowd that they will take action
>> against all "offending" hardware.... they've pretty well screwed
>> themselves, because they've placed themselves under legally
>> binding contracts to disable the hardware at Hollywood's behest.
> 
>  MS has betrayed every business partner they've ever had, so far as I know.
> Why should Hollywood be different? I'll bet there's plenty of wiggle room
> in those contracts.

Because they can keep paying lawyers for as long as MS can, maybe
even longer.

Gates and Company are going to rue the day they climbed into bed
with, shall we say, if not the harlotry of Hollywood, the pimps who
push them.




From glarb at comcast.net  Tue Apr  3 01:52:03 2007
From: glarb at comcast.net (Grant)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 01:52:03 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Vista DRM hurts Linux?
In-Reply-To: <46117A39.9000607@hotpop.com>
References: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CBA@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<46117A39.9000607@hotpop.com>
Message-ID: <1175579523.21717.83.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 01:48 +0400, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> Ingles, Raymond wrote:
> >> From: Aaron Kulkis
> > 
> >> But with the DRM thing, they HAVE to do it..because they made
> >> promises to the Hollywood crowd that they will take action
> >> against all "offending" hardware.... they've pretty well screwed
> >> themselves, because they've placed themselves under legally
> >> binding contracts to disable the hardware at Hollywood's behest.
> > 
> >  MS has betrayed every business partner they've ever had, so far as I know.
> > Why should Hollywood be different? I'll bet there's plenty of wiggle room
> > in those contracts.
> 
> Because they can keep paying lawyers for as long as MS can, maybe
> even longer.
> 
> Gates and Company are going to rue the day they climbed into bed
> with, shall we say, if not the harlotry of Hollywood, the pimps who
> push them.
This could be fun to watch.
Hollywood and the record industry surviving their customer base giving
them the greasy middle digit by sucking micosloth dry of every last
asset.  Bill, can you say "Would you like fries with that?"

Now that I think about it, I can't recall hearing anything about the
RIAA going after anyone lately.  Perhaps they've reconsidered the wisdom
of that move.  No, that can't be it.




From mpr_linux at ameritech.net  Tue Apr  3 08:15:07 2007
From: mpr_linux at ameritech.net (Michael Rudas (computer))
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 05:15:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Vista DRM hurts Linux?
In-Reply-To: <1175579523.21717.83.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <138192.35460.qm@web80613.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- Grant <glarb at comcast.net> wrote:

> ... Now that I think about it, I can't
> recall hearing anything about the
> RIAA going after anyone lately.  Perhaps
>  they've reconsidered the wisdom
> of that move.  No, that can't be it.

I just wish it WERE true.  They may have a slightly
lower profile, but they are just as clueless and
brutish as ever.  See:

<http://consumerist.com/consumer/worst-company-in-america/>

-- Mikey



From rrclark at rrclark.net  Tue Apr  3 11:12:25 2007
From: rrclark at rrclark.net (Rich Clark <rrclark@rrclark.net>)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:12:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Hey Look! A new "darling" distro...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0703301511080.4064@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
References: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0703301511080.4064@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.0.81.0704031111410.8045@rich.rrclark.net>

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Michael Corral wrote:

> Robert Adkins a ecrit:
> > <http://linux.go2linux.org/node/45>
> 
> Hah, if the creator of this "Ulteo" thinks he has the "easiest"
> Linux in the world, then he clearly has never used Slackware!
> 
> Is this Gael Duval guy another billionaire on an ego trip to
> help us downtrodden common folk use Linux?

He's the guy who created the Mandrake distro, and then got booted from the 
company after he relinquished control to financial interests.


From mdlug at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr  3 13:42:59 2007
From: mdlug at sbcglobal.net (Dean Durant)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:42:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] badblocks question
Message-ID: <72932.72220.qm@web81810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello, I have run badblocks on some IBM eSeries blades
that I need to get fixed.   It reports about 2 million
bad blocks on an 80 GB disk.   IBM has me run their
diagnostics and they don't find anything.  I have run
fsck and it finds and fixes some filesystem issues,
but the bad blocks persist.   Is there anything else I
can do, and do people think it is a hardware issue, a
bad disk, or a filesystem issue?   Thanks, Dean


From jmtaylor90 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  3 13:57:25 2007
From: jmtaylor90 at gmail.com (Jason Taylor)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:57:25 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] badblocks question
In-Reply-To: <72932.72220.qm@web81810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <72932.72220.qm@web81810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1175623045.10977.9.camel@buster.blogdns.net>

If the server hasn't had any recent dirty shutdowns, power fluctuations,
etc. then I would lean to a hardware issue.

-Jason

On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 10:42 -0700, Dean Durant wrote:
> Hello, I have run badblocks on some IBM eSeries blades
> that I need to get fixed.   It reports about 2 million
> bad blocks on an 80 GB disk.   IBM has me run their
> diagnostics and they don't find anything.  I have run
> fsck and it finds and fixes some filesystem issues,
> but the bad blocks persist.   Is there anything else I
> can do, and do people think it is a hardware issue, a
> bad disk, or a filesystem issue?   Thanks, Dean
> _______________________________________________
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From radkins at impelind.com  Tue Apr  3 15:01:30 2007
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:01:30 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] badblocks question
In-Reply-To: <1175623045.10977.9.camel@buster.blogdns.net>
References: <72932.72220.qm@web81810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1175623045.10977.9.camel@buster.blogdns.net>
Message-ID: <4612A48A.3050805@impelind.com>

    Get into orbit and nuke the place, it's the only way to be sure...

    Er... uh, wrong suggestion.

    Get new HDs, copy over the data, put them in place of the old HDs 
and retire the drives with the bad blocks. It's one way to be really 
sure and safe. (You can try reformatting the "bad blocks" drives after 
replacing them.)

    -Rob

Jason Taylor wrote:
> If the server hasn't had any recent dirty shutdowns, power fluctuations,
> etc. then I would lean to a hardware issue.
>
> -Jason
>
> On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 10:42 -0700, Dean Durant wrote:
>   
>> Hello, I have run badblocks on some IBM eSeries blades
>> that I need to get fixed.   It reports about 2 million
>> bad blocks on an 80 GB disk.   IBM has me run their
>> diagnostics and they don't find anything.  I have run
>> fsck and it finds and fixes some filesystem issues,
>> but the bad blocks persist.   Is there anything else I
>> can do, and do people think it is a hardware issue, a
>> bad disk, or a filesystem issue?   Thanks, Dean
>> _______________________________________________
>> mdlug mailing list
>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>>     
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> mdlug mailing list
>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Tue Apr  3 15:44:24 2007
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:44:24 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Quanta launches ultra-low-cost PCs
Message-ID: <b02c40e90704031244r46f3899di2ffc4c0d08ffd593@mail.gmail.com>

Quanta Computer, the world's largest manufacturer of notebook
computers, will start making ultra-low-cost computers that could be
sold in developed markets for as little as $200 this year or the next,
according to its president.

The Taiwanese contract manufacturer is already producing a laptop
developed by Massachusetts Institute of Technology researchers that
will be distributed to children in third-world countries ? under a
non-profit project called One Laptop Per Child ? for as little as
$150.

But Michael Wang, Quanta's president, said on Tuesday that the
concepts developed through the OLPC project could be applied to create
commercially viable machines that are cheaper than anything on the
market so far.

www.ft.com/cms/s/6d086a62-dcb3-11db-a21d-000b5df10621.html


From set at pobox.com  Tue Apr  3 16:01:20 2007
From: set at pobox.com (Paul)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:01:20 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] badblocks question
In-Reply-To: <1175623045.10977.9.camel@buster.blogdns.net>
References: <72932.72220.qm@web81810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1175623045.10977.9.camel@buster.blogdns.net>
Message-ID: <20070403200119.GL7109@squish.home.loc>

Jason Taylor <jmtaylor90 at gmail.com>, on Tue Apr 03, 2007 [01:57:25 PM] said:
> If the server hasn't had any recent dirty shutdowns, power fluctuations,
> etc. then I would lean to a hardware issue.
> 
> -Jason
> 
> On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 10:42 -0700, Dean Durant wrote:
> > Hello, I have run badblocks on some IBM eSeries blades
> > that I need to get fixed.   It reports about 2 million
> > bad blocks on an 80 GB disk.   IBM has me run their
> > diagnostics and they don't find anything.  I have run
> > fsck and it finds and fixes some filesystem issues,
> > but the bad blocks persist.   Is there anything else I
> > can do, and do people think it is a hardware issue, a
> > bad disk, or a filesystem issue?   Thanks, Dean

	Hi;

	smartctl is the tool you want to use to determine if
there are hardware problems with your disk. badblocks is a tool
more suited to disks from the ancient past. ext2/3 has legacy
support for mapping out bad blocks (see the -c option to e2fsck)
but a modern disk shouldnt have any bad sectors visible; the
drive should be mapping them out. In general if you see bad
sectors, the disk is toast. I cant vouch for your use of
badblocks, but it generally just tries to read chunks of disk,
and if it experiences an i/o error, deems the block bad. In that
case, I would expect your kernel logs to be overflowing with
these errors.
	Disk is cheap.

Paul
set at pobox.com


From glarb at comcast.net  Wed Apr  4 09:45:21 2007
From: glarb at comcast.net (Grant)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 09:45:21 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] badblocks question
In-Reply-To: <4612A48A.3050805@impelind.com>
References: <72932.72220.qm@web81810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<1175623045.10977.9.camel@buster.blogdns.net>
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On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 15:01 -0400, Robert Adkins wrote:
>     Get into orbit and nuke the place, it's the only way to be sure...
> 
>     Er... uh, wrong suggestion.
> 
>     Get new HDs, copy over the data, put them in place of the old HDs 
> and retire the drives with the bad blocks. It's one way to be really 
> sure and safe. (You can try reformatting the "bad blocks" drives after 
> replacing them.)
> 
>     -Rob
> 
> Jason Taylor wrote:
> > If the server hasn't had any recent dirty shutdowns, power fluctuations,
> > etc. then I would lean to a hardware issue.
> >
> > -Jason
> >
> > On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 10:42 -0700, Dean Durant wrote:
> >   
> >> Hello, I have run badblocks on some IBM eSeries blades
> >> that I need to get fixed.   It reports about 2 million
> >> bad blocks on an 80 GB disk.   IBM has me run their
> >> diagnostics and they don't find anything.  I have run
> >> fsck and it finds and fixes some filesystem issues,
> >> but the bad blocks persist.   Is there anything else I
> >> can do, and do people think it is a hardware issue, a
> >> bad disk, or a filesystem issue?   Thanks, Dean

May want to check the power supply before replacing drives.

About 2 years ago, I had two drives die about 3 months apart. Both where
primary slave of same machine (original disk and its replacement). When
the second disk died I considered that it could be a symptom and not the
cause. To make a short story shorter, it was the PSU. I cracked it open
and found a scorched resistor on a soot marked corner of the board. The
part I found interesting was that this PSU still appeared to work.
(Voltages were off, 12.16v instead of 11.5-11.8)

-- 
Grant



From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 11:37:37 2007
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:37:37 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Windows Vista marketing 'deceived' consumers
Message-ID: <b02c40e90704040837h1b05832t189f4aa808332f8b@mail.gmail.com>

Microsoft has been accused of deceiving US consumers by marketing PCs
as "Windows Vista Capable" when they could only run the most basic
version of its latest operating system.

A US lawsuit filed today claims Microsoft overstated the ability of
PCs to run Windows Vista, and that an upgrade program added insult to
injury by giving users access to Windows Vista Home Basic that lacked
many of the advertised features.

www.channelregister.co.uk/2007/04/04/windows_vista_marketing_deception/


From bobdion at starline-ent.com  Wed Apr  4 11:59:05 2007
From: bobdion at starline-ent.com (bob dion)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:59:05 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Vinyl to digital
In-Reply-To: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33C8C@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33C8C@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <4613CB49.4060801@starline-ent.com>

Ingles, Raymond wrote:
>  Well, I took a vacation day yesterday. We're making room for a new baby,
> so we reorganized the basement storage, and, well, the turntable was dug
> out, and...
> 
>  I was mostly successful in digitizing things. My main problem... I couldn't
> capture properly. My sound card is an SB Live Value, and I've done it before,
> but this time it gave me fits. I played with alsamixer, the Gnome mixer, etc.
> While I could *hear* a stereo signal through the computer speakers and/or
> headphones, I could only capture one channel. When I played with the mixer,
> there were two stereo capture entries - but one appeared to cover the left
> channel, and one got the right. Audacity only recorded the 'left' one.
> Anyone run into that before?
> 

On Sunday I ran into this same issue trying to tape from a cassette deck 
running Mepis 6.0. Both Audacity & Gramofile would only record the Left 
channel.
Last night in Audacity I checked the preferences - audio/io and changed 
it from 1 channel Mono to 2 channel stereo. I also played around with 
settings in Kmixer and was able to record in stereo both in audacity & 
Gramofile. But I'm not sure what setting made this work. Sorry I can't 
be more helpful, but it's a start.

BD


From radkins at impelind.com  Wed Apr  4 11:59:12 2007
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:59:12 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Windows Vista marketing 'deceived' consumers
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e90704040837h1b05832t189f4aa808332f8b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b02c40e90704040837h1b05832t189f4aa808332f8b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4613CB50.7020008@impelind.com>

It will be very interesting to see how this plays out.

Do we, as the consumer market, still have rights, as citizens, to 
certain protections provided both by laws and legal precedents in such 
cases or will Microsoft find a way to shred through this legal issue?

-Rob

Jeff Hanson wrote:
> Microsoft has been accused of deceiving US consumers by marketing PCs
> as "Windows Vista Capable" when they could only run the most basic
> version of its latest operating system.
>
> A US lawsuit filed today claims Microsoft overstated the ability of
> PCs to run Windows Vista, and that an upgrade program added insult to
> injury by giving users access to Windows Vista Home Basic that lacked
> many of the advertised features.
>
> www.channelregister.co.uk/2007/04/04/windows_vista_marketing_deception/
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>   


From bobdion at starline-ent.com  Wed Apr  4 12:06:57 2007
From: bobdion at starline-ent.com (bob dion)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:06:57 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Windows Vista marketing 'deceived' consumers
In-Reply-To: <4613CB50.7020008@impelind.com>
References: <b02c40e90704040837h1b05832t189f4aa808332f8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4613CB50.7020008@impelind.com>
Message-ID: <4613CD21.2040705@starline-ent.com>

Robert Adkins wrote:
> It will be very interesting to see how this plays out.
> 
> Do we, as the consumer market, still have rights, as citizens, to 
> certain protections provided both by laws and legal precedents in such 
> cases or will Microsoft find a way to shred through this legal issue?
> 
> -Rob
> 

I see more federal Judges losing their jobs if they start leaning in 
favor of us consumers.

BD


From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 12:17:57 2007
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:17:57 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] UFO excuse fails as hacker is sent to US to stand trial
Message-ID: <b02c40e90704040917q47bd7f04x3e8041506a0a54@mail.gmail.com>

GARY McKinnon, the Scot accused by US authorities of carrying out the
"biggest military computer hack of all time", yesterday lost his High
Court bid to avoid extradition, triggering a flurry of messages of
support from the online community.

The 41-year-old could spend the rest of his life behind bars if he is
found guilty of gaining access to some 97 military and NASA computers
in the United States from his bedroom in a North London house.

news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=516882007


From wolfger at gmail.com  Wed Apr  4 13:14:13 2007
From: wolfger at gmail.com (Wolfger)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:14:13 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] UFO excuse fails as hacker is sent to US to stand trial
In-Reply-To: <b02c40e90704040917q47bd7f04x3e8041506a0a54@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b02c40e90704040917q47bd7f04x3e8041506a0a54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b00b3330704041014m7f3eb895s5de69bbecdf68a81@mail.gmail.com>

I believe he will hang, for embarrassing our military so. The real news
story, of course, is how he managed to access 97 of what *should* be the
most secure computers in the world. But that bit gets hushed.

On 4/4/07, Jeff Hanson <jhansonxi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> GARY McKinnon, the Scot accused by US authorities of carrying out the
> "biggest military computer hack of all time", yesterday lost his High
> Court bid to avoid extradition, triggering a flurry of messages of
> support from the online community.
>
> The 41-year-old could spend the rest of his life behind bars if he is
> found guilty of gaining access to some 97 military and NASA computers
> in the United States from his bedroom in a North London house.
>
> news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=516882007
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-- 
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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Wed Apr  4 14:21:42 2007
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:21:42 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Vinyl to digital
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Message-ID: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CC6@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>


> From: bob dion

> On Sunday I ran into this same issue trying to tape from a cassette deck 
> running Mepis 6.0.

 I didn't know there were cassete decks that ran Linux! Sweet! :->

> Last night in Audacity I checked the preferences - audio/io and changed 
> it from 1 channel Mono to 2 channel stereo. I also played around with 
> settings in Kmixer and was able to record in stereo both in audacity & 
> Gramofile. But I'm not sure what setting made this work. 
> Sorry I can't be more helpful, but it's a start.

 Thanks for the positive report. I'm going to do some more experimentation
at some point. What with leasing a van, being sick yesterday, the start of
baseball practice, and so forth... well, it hasn't been a priority.

 But it looks like a few other people ran into this:

 https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=1658

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                               (313) 227-2317

 "[W]hen people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong. When people
 thought the earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that
 thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth
   is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together."
                           - Isaac Asimov
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From jerf at jerf.org  Wed Apr  4 14:17:58 2007
From: jerf at jerf.org (Jeremy Bowers)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:17:58 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] UFO excuse fails as hacker is sent to US to stand trial
In-Reply-To: <3b00b3330704041014m7f3eb895s5de69bbecdf68a81@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b02c40e90704040917q47bd7f04x3e8041506a0a54@mail.gmail.com>
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Wolfger wrote:
> I believe he will hang, for embarrassing our military so. The real 
> news story, of course, is how he managed to access 97 of what *should* 
> be the most secure computers in the world. But that bit gets hushed.
If the military was ten times more secure than the average corporation 
of equal size, which I will define as "having 1/10th the 
vulnerabilities", just to be concrete, they'd still be riddled through 
with holes. And military targets are just about the only things that can 
draw more hacking resources to it than credit card databases.

Ultimately, this doesn't prove much because unless the hacked computers 
were supposed to be physically unconnected to the internet, even if 
everybody performed perfectly competently he still might have gotten in, 
via unpublished vulnerabilities, or even ones he found himself.

(Note this is in the form of a conditional statement; it does not 
actually contain any claims about the actual security level of our 
military.)

The real story here is and remains that our software is so insecure, and 
perhaps equally that our brains are so insecure (people do bad things 
like giving out their passwords for chocolate all the time),  that even 
an organization with all the motivation you could want and pretty much 
all the resources you could want still can't seem to secure their 
systems. At some point, the question of whether somebody "screwed up" 
ceases mattering; even if your admin was 99% perfect (unrealistic), the 
number of opportunities for screwing up guarantees that at least one 
screwup will occur.

*Of course* the actual entry techniques will be hushed. Very few 
commercial companies come completely clean either, even without national 
security excuses/reasons. I don't think this justifies any particularly 
unusual responses because it's the dreaded military.


From mat.enders at gmail.com  Thu Apr  5 10:07:16 2007
From: mat.enders at gmail.com (Mathew Enders)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:07:16 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] OT: MDLUG virtual room party at Pengiuicon
Message-ID: <1175782036.5999.19.camel@mobiledaddy>

To all who had discussed this at the last meeting.  Due to an unexpected
and costly vehicle repair bill I will not be able to pull this off.
Sorry for any disapiontment if any one else wants to run with it feel
free.



From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Thu Apr  5 10:20:32 2007
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:20:32 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] OT: Job Opening
Message-ID: <C23A7DF0.2FB90%GregWojtak@quickenloans.com>

Hey LUGgers,

We are looking for another UNIX Engineer here at Quicken Loans.  Primary
focus will be HP and IBM background is also desired.  Anyone interested,
drop me a line off-list and I?ll fill you in on the details.  greg wojtak at
quicken loans dot com

no spaces in that e-mail addy, obviously.

Greg
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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Thu Apr  5 14:20:59 2007
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:20:59 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] GPS suggestions
Message-ID: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CD1@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>


 Our ten-year wedding anniversary is coming up in May, and we have a good
relationship. I get gadgets and she gets jewelry. :->

 I'm looking for a good GPS unit, and hoping for suggestions or pointers
for good, current information.

 Must-haves:

  - Bluetooth connectivity so it can talk to my Palm Treo
  - Fast signal acquisition (time-to-fix), ideally from both cold
    and hot start (the old GPS unit I had for my old Palm could take
    up to *twenty minutes* if it was started cold)
  - Good battery life

 Nice-to-haves:

  - Display
  - Extra storage, ideally by SD card or similar
  - Driving directions, voice prompts

 My budget is up to ~$350 or so, but I'd prefer less than that.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                           (313) 227-2317

 "A person is just about as big as the things that make them angry."
                           - Anonymous
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From akulkis3 at hotpop.com  Thu Apr  5 15:36:05 2007
From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:36:05 +0400
Subject: [mdlug] GPS suggestions
In-Reply-To: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CD1@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CD1@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <46154FA5.60900@hotpop.com>

Ingles, Raymond wrote:
>  Our ten-year wedding anniversary is coming up in May, and we have a good
> relationship. I get gadgets and she gets jewelry. :->
> 
>  I'm looking for a good GPS unit, and hoping for suggestions or pointers
> for good, current information.
> 
>  Must-haves:
> 
>   - Bluetooth connectivity so it can talk to my Palm Treo
>   - Fast signal acquisition (time-to-fix), ideally from both cold
>     and hot start (the old GPS unit I had for my old Palm could take
>     up to *twenty minutes* if it was started cold)
>   - Good battery life
> 

First generations GPS units used by the army typically take
3-5 minutes from power-on to acquiring 5 satellites; that's
using an external antenna, mounted on a vehicle, with a
fixed, appropriate (horizontal) orientation.  I'm not sure
exactly what the antenna looks like, as it is contained
within a shell -- I tried to break open one that went bad,
and had no luck... any stronger force used to break it
open will destroy the antenna elements hidden inside.

I can't talk about the latest generation GPS units, other
than to say that they are better than the 1st generation.

>  Nice-to-haves:
> 
>   - Display
>   - Extra storage, ideally by SD card or similar
>   - Driving directions, voice prompts
> 
>  My budget is up to ~$350 or so, but I'd prefer less than that.
> 
>  Sincerely,
> 
>  Ray Ingles                                           (313) 227-2317
> 
>  "A person is just about as big as the things that make them angry."
>                            - Anonymous
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From bobdion at starline-ent.com  Thu Apr  5 16:19:59 2007
From: bobdion at starline-ent.com (bob dion)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:19:59 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] GPS suggestions
In-Reply-To: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CD1@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CD1@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <461559EF.9000105@starline-ent.com>

Ingles, Raymond wrote:
>  Our ten-year wedding anniversary is coming up in May, and we have a good
> relationship. I get gadgets and she gets jewelry. :->
> 
>  I'm looking for a good GPS unit, and hoping for suggestions or pointers
> for good, current information.
> 
>  Must-haves:
> 
>   - Bluetooth connectivity so it can talk to my Palm Treo
>   - Fast signal acquisition (time-to-fix), ideally from both cold
>     and hot start (the old GPS unit I had for my old Palm could take
>     up to *twenty minutes* if it was started cold)
>   - Good battery life
> 
>  Nice-to-haves:
> 
>   - Display
>   - Extra storage, ideally by SD card or similar
>   - Driving directions, voice prompts
> 
>  My budget is up to ~$350 or so, but I'd prefer less than that.
> 


Speaking of GPS
http://space.com/scienceastronomy/070404_radio_bursts.html

BD


From driveray at ameritech.net  Thu Apr  5 15:31:23 2007
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:31:23 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] FWD: MUG meeting 6:30 PM Tue 4-10 Farmington Hill Library
Message-ID: <46154E8B.4060204@ameritech.net>


 Our Next MUG <http://www.mug.org/twiki/bin/view/Mugwiki/WebHome>
 Meeting is Tuesday, April 10, 2007 at 6:30PM.


     Main Topic: Systems for tracking support requests or developer bugs

Our speakers are:

   * */Erick Tyack/* : RT (http://bestpractical.com/rt)
   * */Mark Ramm/* : Trac (http://trac.edgewall.org/)
   * */Rick Harding/* : Mantis (http://www.mantisbt.org/)

Our speakers will go over the features and drawbacks of three different
bug/support trackers each in a different programming language. Find out
which one can solve your needs in your own office.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

If you have topics for future meetings you would like us to cover please
email the board <mailto:board at mug.org>, thanks.

------------------------------------------------------------------------


     Where:

The MUG meetings are held at:

Farmington Community Library - Main Branch <http://www.farmlib.org>
32737 W. 12 Mile Rd.
Farmington Hills, MI 48334-3302

Click here
<http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&addtohistory=&formtype=address&searchtype=address&cat=&address=32737%20W%2012%20Mile%20Rd&city=Farmington%20Hills&state=MI&zipcode=48334%2d3302&searchtab=home>
for a map of the area.


     When:

the meetings are on the 2nd Tuesday of each month.

6:00pm     Doors open, registration
6:30pm     Meeting starts, Mug business
6:45pm     Main presentation
8:15pm     2nd Presentation
8:45pm     Meeting adjourns
9:00pm     Dinner at a local establishment


From eaglecoach at wwnet.com  Thu Apr  5 19:55:58 2007
From: eaglecoach at wwnet.com (Robert Meier)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:55:58 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] GPS suggestions
In-Reply-To: <46154FA5.60900@hotpop.com> (message from Aaron Kulkis on Thu, 05
	Apr 2007 23:36:05 +0400)
References: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CD1@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<46154FA5.60900@hotpop.com>
Message-ID: <200704052355.l35Ntwep027395@freehold.wwnet.com>

Ray,

[redirected to mdlug-discuss]

>  I'm looking for a good GPS unit, and hoping for suggestions or pointers
> for good, current information.

The most popular GPS receiver for MiGO geocachers is the Garmin ETrex.

In 2004, the Metropark Geocaching Adventure picnic included a closest
to pin contest (i.e. who placed a flag closest to precisely measured
point.)  After their experience in prior years, they had two categories
Garmin users, and Magellan users.  The Garmins were all clumped within
about 20ft.  The Magellans were spread over about 60ft.

>  Must-haves:
> 
>   - Bluetooth connectivity so it can talk to my Palm Treo

I understand several Etrex models are bluetooth enabled.

>   - Fast signal acquisition (time-to-fix), ideally from both cold
>     and hot start (the old GPS unit I had for my old Palm could take
>     up to *twenty minutes* if it was started cold)

There should be three levels of acquisition:
(2 should be the most common.)
      1. The GPS unit has not been significantly moved from where it
           last locked on the satellites, and the time since it was last
	   locked was short enough.
	 The GPS unit estimates state sufficiently to immediately
	   acquire the signals.
	 The Kalman filter (i.e. generalized phase-lock-loop) simply
	   converges normally.
	 This should take only 15-120 seconds depending on satellite
	   configuration, atmospheric distortion, and local environment
	   distortion.

      2. The GPS unit cannot immediately acquire the signals.
         The GPS memory still holds the correct ephemeride
	   (i.e. table of satellite orbital parameters).
	 The GPS receiver uses hueristic sampling to lock onto
	   the signals and then begins the Kalman filter.
	 This should take about 3-10 minutes depending on luck
	   of hueristics.

      3. The Kalman filter fails to converge or the ephemeride mismatches.
	 GPS unit's ephemeride is obsolete.
         The GPS must wait until the satellites transmit the ephemeride,
	   then start the Kalman filter.
	 This should take ~30 minutes since the ephemeride is only
	   transmitted about every ~30 minutes.

>   - Good battery life

    - error estimation (ideally RAIM-compliant)
      
      The GPS signals are easy to interfer with, but are designed
        so that such interference is easy to detect.
      Knowing that there is only a 37% chance that you are within
        x ft of the coordinates measured is important since x
	typically varies from 6 (open field, clear sky (to radio)) to
	500 (near fence, in forest, ...) makes a practical difference.
      When the desired site has poor reception, you can move to
        acquire a more precise signal, and then offset to precisely
	find the desired site.

> using an external antenna, mounted on a vehicle, with a
> fixed, appropriate (horizontal) orientation.

As satellites orbit, their horizon and the horizon of receivers scattered
over wide areas of the Earth change rotate through about 150 degrees
as the satellite rises and sets.

So without an horizontal orientation, non-geostationary satellite
antennas including GPS should be ideally hemi-isotropic or nearly
always isotropic.  Practical antennae are thus helical.

Good luck,
-- 
Dr. Robert J. Meier

    "Warble, warble, little sat,
     How I wonder where I'm at.
     Twice around the world each day,
     Four and twenty birds at play.

     Clear and ever steady beat,
     Pseudo Random Code repeat.
     An Ephemeris, your lore,
     Tells me where your flock will soar."
		-- extract from Dr. Robert J. Meier 2000


From stanorcl03 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  6 07:47:12 2007
From: stanorcl03 at yahoo.com (Stanley Chacko)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 04:47:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Wanted to Know More About Membership and Volunteering
Message-ID: <341479.69214.qm@web63214.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi there usergroup,

I just recently joined the mailing list and wanted to
know if there were further requirements in becoming a
member?  Are there membership dues?
  
Also, I wanted to know if the group would interested
in any volunteer help?  


Looking forward to your reply,

Stanley Chacko


 
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From millerc at cantonpl.org  Fri Apr  6 09:42:06 2007
From: millerc at cantonpl.org (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:42:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Wanted to Know More About Membership and Volunteering
In-Reply-To: <341479.69214.qm@web63214.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <341479.69214.qm@web63214.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43682.66.51.146.97.1175866926.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>

Stanley Chacko wrote:
> Hi there usergroup,

Hi Stanley.  Welcome.

> I just recently joined the mailing list and wanted to
> know if there were further requirements in becoming a
> member?  Are there membership dues?

No membership dues, but we expect to get a treatise about
your experience with Linux and your visions of the future.
Oh, and I almost forgot...you have to show us your version
of the penguin dance.  Come to think of it, those things
aren't required, but you do get bonus points for completing
them.

c




From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Fri Apr  6 09:51:56 2007
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:51:56 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Wanted to Know More About Membership and Volunteering
In-Reply-To: <43682.66.51.146.97.1175866926.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
Message-ID: <C23BC8BC.2FE43%GregWojtak@quickenloans.com>

Carl, aren't we still waiting for you to post your penguin dance on YouTube?
:)

Greg


On 4/6/07 9:42 AM, "Carl T. Miller" <millerc at cantonpl.org> wrote:

> Stanley Chacko wrote:
>> Hi there usergroup,
> 
> Hi Stanley.  Welcome.
> 
>> I just recently joined the mailing list and wanted to
>> know if there were further requirements in becoming a
>> member?  Are there membership dues?
> 
> No membership dues, but we expect to get a treatise about
> your experience with Linux and your visions of the future.
> Oh, and I almost forgot...you have to show us your version
> of the penguin dance.  Come to think of it, those things
> aren't required, but you do get bonus points for completing
> them.
> 
> c
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


From radkins at impelind.com  Fri Apr  6 09:56:41 2007
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:56:41 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Wanted to Know More About Membership and Volunteering
In-Reply-To: <43682.66.51.146.97.1175866926.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
References: <341479.69214.qm@web63214.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<43682.66.51.146.97.1175866926.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
Message-ID: <46165199.6040709@impelind.com>

Carl T. Miller wrote:
> Stanley Chacko wrote:
>   
>> Hi there usergroup,
>>     
>
> Hi Stanley.  Welcome.
>
>   
>> I just recently joined the mailing list and wanted to
>> know if there were further requirements in becoming a
>> member?  Are there membership dues?
>>     
>
> No membership dues, but we expect to get a treatise about
> your experience with Linux and your visions of the future.
> Oh, and I almost forgot...you have to show us your version
> of the penguin dance.  Come to think of it, those things
> aren't required, but you do get bonus points for completing
> them.
>
> c
>
>   
    You get bonus points if your vision of the future is cryptic, ala 
Nostradamus, and thus able to be applied to a great many different 
subjects. There's super bonus points if the vision of the future 
includes at least 42 allusions to the works of Scott Adams, Douglas 
Adams, Star Trek, Star Wars, the total works of Monty Python's Flying 
Circus and at least one or two things that are completely different, 
such as some obscure Dr. Who reference.

    Good day and Welcome,
    Rob


From millerc at cantonpl.org  Fri Apr  6 10:09:21 2007
From: millerc at cantonpl.org (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:09:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Wanted to Know More About Membership and Volunteering
In-Reply-To: <C23BC8BC.2FE43%GregWojtak@quickenloans.com>
References: <43682.66.51.146.97.1175866926.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
	<C23BC8BC.2FE43%GregWojtak@quickenloans.com>
Message-ID: <45894.66.51.146.97.1175868561.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>

Wojtak, Greg wrote:
> Carl, aren't we still waiting for you to post your penguin dance on
> YouTube?

Actually, I already posted it.  But the recording industry
was so jealous and the major television producers were so
stunned that they quickly got a presidential order to have
it removed.  I would tell you more, but the NSA has me
under a gag order.  In fact, I'll even bet that you won't
find any reference to this if you try to Google it!

c



> On 4/6/07 9:42 AM, "Carl T. Miller" <millerc at cantonpl.org> wrote:
>
>> Stanley Chacko wrote:
>>> Hi there usergroup,
>>
>> Hi Stanley.  Welcome.
>>
>>> I just recently joined the mailing list and wanted to
>>> know if there were further requirements in becoming a
>>> member?  Are there membership dues?
>>
>> No membership dues, but we expect to get a treatise about
>> your experience with Linux and your visions of the future.
>> Oh, and I almost forgot...you have to show us your version
>> of the penguin dance.  Come to think of it, those things
>> aren't required, but you do get bonus points for completing
>> them.
>>
>> c
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> mdlug mailing list
>> mdlug at mdlug.org
>> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>




From jcbender at bendorius.com  Sun Apr  8 10:38:49 2007
From: jcbender at bendorius.com (Joseph C. Bender)
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 10:38:49 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] GPS suggestions
In-Reply-To: <461559EF.9000105@starline-ent.com>
References: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CD1@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<461559EF.9000105@starline-ent.com>
Message-ID: <4618FE79.60707@bendorius.com>

bob dion wrote:
>
> Speaking of GPS
> http://space.com/scienceastronomy/070404_radio_bursts.html
>
	This is one of those "Well, no kidding" sorts of articles.

	Large solar flares wreak havoc on all sorts of commo gear in orbit and 
on the ground.  The weak signal nature of the GPS sats would tend to 
mean there would be issues on a large flare.
	
	Additionally, it's not so much the sats as it is crappy RF front-ends 
in gear by GPS manufacturers trying to keep the price of the units down.

Aaron Kulkis wrote:
 > Ingles, Raymond wrote:
 > I'm not sure
 > exactly what the antenna looks like, as it is contained
 > within a shell -- I tried to break open one that went bad,
 > and had no luck... any stronger force used to break it
 > open will destroy the antenna elements hidden inside.
 >
	Antennas tend to be square patch, conical microstrip patch, or 
quadrifilar helix omni types.  Most handhelds with internal antennas 
tend to use the quad-helix types as they give remarkably good perfomance 
when coupled with a good preamp.  Most of the cheaper external antennas 
for cars are the square patch design, though I did read recently about a 
magmount quad-helix recently.

As for the OP's question, I've heard good things about the eTrex series, 
though I haven't really used one personally.  My uses of GPS tend to be 
for non-navigational purposes.  *grin*
	


-- 
Joseph Bender
jcbender at bendorius com


From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Mon Apr  9 08:56:03 2007
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:56:03 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] GPS suggestions
In-Reply-To: <4618FE79.60707@bendorius.com>
Message-ID: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33CDB@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>


> From: Joseph C. Bender
> As for the OP's question, I've heard good things about the eTrex series, 
> though I haven't really used one personally.  My uses of GPS tend to be 
> for non-navigational purposes.  *grin*

 Thanks for the suggestions and information, everyone. I think I've selected
what I'll be getting:

 http://store.palm.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2608806

 One thing I've seen in my Googlings is that it seems generally accepted that
the best current chipset out there is the "SiRF Star III". Apparently has
very fast acquisition and good accuracy.

 http://www.gpslodge.com/archives/004566.php

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                      (313) 227-2317

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  use weapons of mass destruction"? - Tom Tomorrow, on Bush's
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From tmorris at ugs.com  Mon Apr  9 09:19:03 2007
From: tmorris at ugs.com (Morris, Tim)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:19:03 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] OpenSuse 10.2/Apache 2.2/Active Directory
Message-ID: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2026D92D1@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>

Hi everyone! I'm hoping someone can help me.

I am trying to setup a BackupPC server for a few systems in my office.
Ideally, I would like to have the users authenticate using their AD
(domain) credentials. I would also like to do it using the stock
software provided with OpenSuse 10.2, which is currently Apache 2.2. I'd
love to use a different distro, but the office is moving to Suse Ent.
(more or less) for some things, so I'd better get some experience with
it. I don't really care if apache magically authenticates with windows
(not asking for login/password), but I do want it to authenticate to the
domain controllers.

Currently, I have AD authentication setup for the linux host. I can
login as an AD user and it will create the home directory and
everything. Apache still doesn't work. Here's my config, I'm hoping
someone here will know what else to do:

/etc/pam.d/httpd
#%PAM-1.0
# For Domain Authentication
auth    sufficient      pam_winbind.so
auth    required        pam_unix.so

/etc/apache2/default-server.conf
(snip)
 <Directory /opt/BackupPC3/www/cgi-bin/>
        AllowOverride AuthConfig
        Options ExecCGI FollowSymlinks
        AddHandler cgi-script .cgi
        DirectoryIndex index.cgi
        AuthType Kerberos
        AuthName "BackupPC admin"
        KrbMethodNegotiate On
        KrbMethodK5Passwd On
        KrbAuthRealms My.Domain.Net
        Krb5KeyTab /etc/apache2/usdbback01.keytab
        require valid-user
</Directory>

I created the keytab file with the following command: (I think)
ktpass -princ USER at DOMAIN -mapuser USER -crypto DES-CBC-MD5 +DesOnly
-pass PASS -ptype KRB5_NT_PRINCIPAL -out etc/apache2/usdbback01.keytab

Error when using Firefox:
[Mon Apr 09 08:53:57 2007] [error] [client xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] failed to
verify krb5 credentials: Server not found in Kerberos database

Error when using IE:
[Mon Apr 09 09:14:29 2007] [error] [client xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]
gss_acquire_cred() failed: Unspecified GSS failure.  Minor code may
provide more information (No principal in keytab matches desired name)

There is an account in the domain for the Suse computer. Do I need to
create another user account for the system or something (I have read
this, but haven't tried yet since I have to apply for the account)

I am about 2 days away from going back to Apache 2.0 and mod_auth, which
worked fine but is no longer supported.

Any help would be appreciated!

__________________________________________
Tim Morris
IT Support - Automotive Sector, Dearborn

1555 Fairlane Dr.
Allen Park, MI 48101 
(313) 317-6009 
UGS - Transforming the process of innovation 
__________________________________________


From millerc at cantonpl.org  Mon Apr  9 09:44:08 2007
From: millerc at cantonpl.org (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:44:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] OpenSuse 10.2/Apache 2.2/Active Directory
In-Reply-To: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2026D92D1@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>
References: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2026D92D1@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>
Message-ID: <5503.66.51.146.97.1176126248.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>

Morris, Tim wrote:
> Hi everyone! I'm hoping someone can help me.
>
> I am trying to setup a BackupPC server for a few systems in my office.
> Ideally, I would like to have the users authenticate using their AD
> (domain) credentials. I would also like to do it using the stock
> software provided with OpenSuse 10.2, which is currently Apache 2.2. I'd
> love to use a different distro, but the office is moving to Suse Ent.
> (more or less) for some things, so I'd better get some experience with
> it. I don't really care if apache magically authenticates with windows
> (not asking for login/password), but I do want it to authenticate to the
> domain controllers.
>
> Currently, I have AD authentication setup for the linux host. I can
> login as an AD user and it will create the home directory and
> everything. Apache still doesn't work.

Yes, the hooks you have for AD only work for logging in as
a user on the OS.    You don't have any hooks in place for
either apache authentication or backuppc.  I believe there
is a way to have apache authenticate to AD, but I don't think
there is a way to do it with backuppc.

You might try googling for "AD authentication backuppc" to
see if anyone is working on this.

c




From millerc at cantonpl.org  Mon Apr  9 12:46:27 2007
From: millerc at cantonpl.org (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:46:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] I'm happy!
Message-ID: <24258.66.51.146.97.1176137187.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>

Debian Etch has just become stable.  I'm happy.  Now the
stable version of Debian supports the latest network cards
and the AMD64 processors.  And of course it has the latest
version of everything, including IceWeasel.  It's sweet!

c




From akulkis3 at hotpop.com  Mon Apr  9 01:01:44 2007
From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 09:01:44 +0400
Subject: [mdlug] Windows Vista marketing 'deceived' consumers
In-Reply-To: <4613CD21.2040705@starline-ent.com>
References: <b02c40e90704040837h1b05832t189f4aa808332f8b@mail.gmail.com>	<4613CB50.7020008@impelind.com>
	<4613CD21.2040705@starline-ent.com>
Message-ID: <4619C8B8.1080706@hotpop.com>

bob dion wrote:
> Robert Adkins wrote:
>> It will be very interesting to see how this plays out.
>>
>> Do we, as the consumer market, still have rights, as citizens, to 
>> certain protections provided both by laws and legal precedents in such 
>> cases or will Microsoft find a way to shred through this legal issue?
>>
>> -Rob
>>
> 
> I see more federal Judges losing their jobs if they start leaning in 
> favor of us consumers.

Heh?  That's just silly....





From tesral at comcast.net  Mon Apr  9 13:46:24 2007
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:46:24 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] FWD: MDUG meeting 4-14
In-Reply-To: <46154E8B.4060204@ameritech.net>
References: <46154E8B.4060204@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <461A7BF0.5060301@comcast.net>

Do we have an agenda for the meeting this Saturday?  If not I'll offer
my "Distro Demo" machine.  I have 120 gig of space,  I figure 12
partitions.  If this can't be done someone tell me.

Partion 1 swap.
Partitions 2-12 distros
Partition 12, user home, shared by all distros.

Are their any problems here I don't know about?

I want, Unbuntu and Suse.  Beyond that I have a butt load of various
Liunxes and someone will doubtless have some I do not.

I seriously doubt we can finish the thing but we can get a good start. 
It is an IBM netvista 1.8 intel with 256 meg ram.  It has CD and DVD
drives.  No burners.  There is room for one hard drive, and a pitiful
power supply.

And I am still looking for a Win 2000 or an XP disk.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn Http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com



From akulkis3 at hotpop.com  Mon Apr  9 01:03:47 2007
From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 09:03:47 +0400
Subject: [mdlug] Wanted to Know More About Membership and Volunteering
In-Reply-To: <341479.69214.qm@web63214.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <341479.69214.qm@web63214.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4619C933.6060605@hotpop.com>

Stanley Chacko wrote:
> Hi there usergroup,
> 
> I just recently joined the mailing list and wanted to
> know if there were further requirements in becoming a
> member?

Show up.

>         Are there membership dues?

No.

>   
> Also, I wanted to know if the group would interested
> in any volunteer help?  

Such as?






From tmorris at ugs.com  Tue Apr 10 09:59:44 2007
From: tmorris at ugs.com (Morris, Tim)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:59:44 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] OpenSuse 10.2/Apache 2.2/Active Directory
In-Reply-To: <5503.66.51.146.97.1176126248.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
Message-ID: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E20275D91B@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>

I thought that's what the kerberos settings were for in the apache conf
file (and krb5.conf). I have googled and googled, and 90% of the
articles are for apache 2.0 and mod_auth, but not 2.2 (which breaks
mod_auth). I was under the impression BackupPC gets it's info from
apache, since out of the box it's not protected at all. 


--  Tim Morris - UGS

-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf
Of Carl T. Miller
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:44 AM
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: Re: [mdlug] OpenSuse 10.2/Apache 2.2/Active Directory

Morris, Tim wrote:
> Hi everyone! I'm hoping someone can help me.
>
> I am trying to setup a BackupPC server for a few systems in my office.
> Ideally, I would like to have the users authenticate using their AD
> (domain) credentials. I would also like to do it using the stock 
> software provided with OpenSuse 10.2, which is currently Apache 2.2. 
> I'd love to use a different distro, but the office is moving to Suse
Ent.
> (more or less) for some things, so I'd better get some experience with

> it. I don't really care if apache magically authenticates with windows

> (not asking for login/password), but I do want it to authenticate to 
> the domain controllers.
>
> Currently, I have AD authentication setup for the linux host. I can 
> login as an AD user and it will create the home directory and 
> everything. Apache still doesn't work.

Yes, the hooks you have for AD only work for logging in as
a user on the OS.    You don't have any hooks in place for
either apache authentication or backuppc.  I believe there is a way to
have apache authenticate to AD, but I don't think there is a way to do
it with backuppc.

You might try googling for "AD authentication backuppc" to see if anyone
is working on this.

c


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From eaglecoach at wwnet.com  Tue Apr 10 18:31:26 2007
From: eaglecoach at wwnet.com (Robert Meier)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:31:26 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [HOWTO request] filter stderrr without altering stdout
Message-ID: <200704102231.l3AMVQVI008642@freehold.wwnet.com>

Script-kiddies,

How can I write a wrapper that filters stderr (fd 2) without altering 
stdout (fd 1) using ksh?

Detail:
   ksh> func 2>/devnull
   This is desired from stdout.

   ksh> func 1>/dev/null
   This is desired from stderr
   This is undesired from stderr
   This is more desired from stderr

    ksh> func-wrapper 2>/dev/null
    This is desired from stdout

    ksh> func-wrapper 1>/dev/null
    This desired from stderr
    This is more desired from stderr

      ksh> cat func-wrapper
      #!/bin/ksh
      ????
      func $*
      ????



What should the ???? be?

TIA,
-- 
Dr. Robert J. Meier


From millerc at cantonpl.org  Tue Apr 10 20:12:26 2007
From: millerc at cantonpl.org (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:12:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] [HOWTO request] filter stderrr without altering stdout
In-Reply-To: <200704102231.l3AMVQVI008642@freehold.wwnet.com>
References: <200704102231.l3AMVQVI008642@freehold.wwnet.com>
Message-ID: <33033.216.144.215.245.1176250346.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>

Robert Meier wrote:
> Script-kiddies,
>
> How can I write a wrapper that filters stderr (fd 2) without altering
> stdout (fd 1) using ksh?

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to do.  It sounds
like you want a script that will call a function.  And I'm guessing
that you don't want to see any errors from the function, but not
filter errors from the script.

If that's the case, have the script send stderr for the function
to /dev/null, like this:

  ksh> cat func-wrapper
  #!/bin/ksh
  func $* 2>/dev/null

c




From mathew.enders at prodigy.net  Wed Apr 11 07:10:05 2007
From: mathew.enders at prodigy.net (Mathew Enders)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:10:05 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] FWD: MDUG meeting 4-14
In-Reply-To: <461A7BF0.5060301@comcast.net>
References: <46154E8B.4060204@ameritech.net>  <461A7BF0.5060301@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1176289805.5807.6.camel@mobiledaddy>

On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 13:46 -0400, Garry Stahl wrote:
> Partion 1 swap.
> Partitions 2-12 distros
> Partition 12, user home, shared by all distros.
> 
> Are their any problems here I don't know about?
> 
Gary the problem with sharing the same home directory with each distro
would be incompatable config files.  Unless you are going to a diffrent
user for each distro inside home e.g. /home/userubuntu, /home/usersuse
et al.  Then the question arises how would the other distro's treat
those users homes you would have to make sure none had the same uid.



From eaglecoach at wwnet.com  Wed Apr 11 07:43:42 2007
From: eaglecoach at wwnet.com (Robert Meier)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:43:42 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [HOWTO request] filter stderrr without altering stdout
In-Reply-To: <33033.216.144.215.245.1176250346.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
	(millerc@cantonpl.org)
References: <200704102231.l3AMVQVI008642@freehold.wwnet.com>
	<33033.216.144.215.245.1176250346.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
Message-ID: <200704111143.l3BBhgFg012538@freehold.wwnet.com>

Carl

Thank you for your response.

>> How can I write a wrapper that filters stderr (fd 2) without altering
>> stdout (fd 1) using ksh?

> I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to do.  It sounds
> like you want a script that will call a function.  And I'm guessing
> that you don't want to see any errors from the function, but not
> filter errors from the script.

Actually I do want to see errors from the function, except for
a few known errors that have been handled by the script.

Detail:
   # I have an interactive function, part of a large package.
   # It reports to both stdout and stderr
   # Unfortunately, it also reports a warning to stderr even though
   #   the warning has been successfully dealt with.
   ksh> echo help | func 1>stdout 2>stderr
   ksh> cat stdout
   This is a nice function that does something interactively.
   ksh> cat stderr
   Warning: Unable to find my config file in /etc/func
   Found the config file in /opt/etc/func
   usage: func ...

   # I don't wish to alter stdout at all, so the user can continue
   #   normal use.
   # I do want to remove the warning successfully dealt with lest the
   #   the user ignore all errors and warnings.
   # I do want the remaining warnings and errors to be seen, so the
   #   user can take corrective action.
   ksh> echo help | func-wrapper 1>wrapped-stdout 2>wrapped-stderr
   ksh> cat wrapped-stdout
   This is a nice function that does something interactively.
   ksh> cat wrapped-stderr
   usage: func ...

   # The necessary feature is that only a few well-defined warnings
   # be removed from stderr, while all of stdout and the remainder of
   # stderr are passed unaltered.
   ksh> diff stdout wrapped-stdout
   #    no difference
   ksh> diff stderr wrapped-stderr
   < Warning: Unable to find my config file in /etc/func
   < Found the config file in /opt/etc/func

   

   ksh> cat func-wrapper
   #!/bin/sh
   ????
   func $*
   ????

For instance, is there a redirection usage that can carry interactive stdout
past grep, and apply grep to stderr only?
THE FOLLOWING DOES NOT WORK AS WRITTEN:
   ksh> cat func-wrapper
   #!/bin/sh
   func $* 1>3 2>1 |
     grep -v 'Warning: Unable to find my config file in /etc/func' |
     grep -v 'Found the config file in /opt/etc/func' |
     cat 1>2 3>1
THE ABOVE DOES NOT WORK AS WRITTEN

TIA,
-- 
Dr. Robert J. Meier


From akulkis3 at hotpop.com  Wed Apr 11 08:36:00 2007
From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:36:00 +0400
Subject: [mdlug] [HOWTO request] filter stderrr without altering stdout
In-Reply-To: <200704111143.l3BBhgFg012538@freehold.wwnet.com>
References: <200704102231.l3AMVQVI008642@freehold.wwnet.com>	<33033.216.144.215.245.1176250346.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
	<200704111143.l3BBhgFg012538@freehold.wwnet.com>
Message-ID: <461CD630.2050805@hotpop.com>

Robert Meier wrote:
> Carl
> 
> Thank you for your response.
> 
>>> How can I write a wrapper that filters stderr (fd 2) without altering
>>> stdout (fd 1) using ksh?
> 
>> I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to do.  It sounds
>> like you want a script that will call a function.  And I'm guessing
>> that you don't want to see any errors from the function, but not
>> filter errors from the script.

I recall once seeing a method for doing exactly that sort of thing

It involved something like this:

(foo | foo_postprocess ) &2>1 | foo_error_postprocess

It's been about 5 years, so I'll have to play with the syntax
to get it right... when I finally get off duty in another
4 to 8 hours (never know around here....)

> 
> Actually I do want to see errors from the function, except for
> a few known errors that have been handled by the script.
> 
> Detail:
>    # I have an interactive function, part of a large package.
>    # It reports to both stdout and stderr
>    # Unfortunately, it also reports a warning to stderr even though
>    #   the warning has been successfully dealt with.
>    ksh> echo help | func 1>stdout 2>stderr
>    ksh> cat stdout
>    This is a nice function that does something interactively.
>    ksh> cat stderr
>    Warning: Unable to find my config file in /etc/func
>    Found the config file in /opt/etc/func
>    usage: func ...
> 
>    # I don't wish to alter stdout at all, so the user can continue
>    #   normal use.
>    # I do want to remove the warning successfully dealt with lest the
>    #   the user ignore all errors and warnings.
>    # I do want the remaining warnings and errors to be seen, so the
>    #   user can take corrective action.
>    ksh> echo help | func-wrapper 1>wrapped-stdout 2>wrapped-stderr
>    ksh> cat wrapped-stdout
>    This is a nice function that does something interactively.
>    ksh> cat wrapped-stderr
>    usage: func ...
> 
>    # The necessary feature is that only a few well-defined warnings
>    # be removed from stderr, while all of stdout and the remainder of
>    # stderr are passed unaltered.
>    ksh> diff stdout wrapped-stdout
>    #    no difference
>    ksh> diff stderr wrapped-stderr
>    < Warning: Unable to find my config file in /etc/func
>    < Found the config file in /opt/etc/func
> 
>    
> 
>    ksh> cat func-wrapper
>    #!/bin/sh
>    ????
>    func $*
>    ????
> 
> For instance, is there a redirection usage that can carry interactive stdout
> past grep, and apply grep to stderr only?
> THE FOLLOWING DOES NOT WORK AS WRITTEN:
>    ksh> cat func-wrapper
>    #!/bin/sh
>    func $* 1>3 2>1 |
>      grep -v 'Warning: Unable to find my config file in /etc/func' |
>      grep -v 'Found the config file in /opt/etc/func' |
>      cat 1>2 3>1
> THE ABOVE DOES NOT WORK AS WRITTEN
> 
> TIA,




From radkins at impelind.com  Wed Apr 11 09:23:52 2007
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:23:52 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Have I ever said...
Message-ID: <461CE168.9020801@impelind.com>

...how much Windows can make we want to absolutely kill everyone nearby me?

    Recently, we picked up a replacement LCD Flat Panel monitor. This is 
a model with the nifty feature of being able to be twisted about it's 
central axis to put the screen in "portrait" or "landscape" modes. This 
requires a vendor supplied driver to enable the Windows display to be 
switched with a simple mouse click.

    So, I installed the software driver.

    Less than a week later, there's an update from Microsoft that is 
automatically installed across all of our PCs. No big deal.

    Except for the PC with the vendor supplied LCD Driver.

    It won't complete the boot process. It won't complete the Safe Mode 
login process, it won't complete the Command Prompt login.

    All my searching reveals that this is a known factor with LCD Flat 
Panel Drivers and <expletive> Windows XP.

    Since the blasted PC has a SATA drive, I need to tear apart a few 
PCs corpses I have laying around to dig out a Floppy disc in order to be 
able to use the Windows XP Install CD to finally, possibly, recover the 
<expletive> thing.

    Why in the ever-loving world should a LCD Flat Panel Driver make it 
impossible to boot Windows XP? Why does the "Last Known Good" and the 
supposed "No Driver" Safe Mode fail?

    Thank you reading my angry rant filled with rhetorical questions, 
you may now return to your regularly scheduled discussions.

    -Rob


From micorral at comcast.net  Wed Apr 11 10:27:25 2007
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:27:25 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [mdlug] Have I ever said...
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704111019220.3092@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>

Robert Adkins a ecrit:
> Why in the ever-loving world should a LCD Flat Panel Driver make it
> impossible to boot Windows XP? Why does the "Last Known Good" and the
> supposed "No Driver" Safe Mode fail?

That's because, unlike Linux, Windows XP isn't ready yet for the desktop.

Michael


From tesral at comcast.net  Wed Apr 11 10:34:39 2007
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:34:39 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] FWD: MDUG meeting 4-14
In-Reply-To: <1176289805.5807.6.camel@mobiledaddy>
References: <46154E8B.4060204@ameritech.net> <461A7BF0.5060301@comcast.net>
	<1176289805.5807.6.camel@mobiledaddy>
Message-ID: <461CF1FF.1010508@comcast.net>

Mathew Enders wrote:
> Gary the problem with sharing the same home directory with each distro
> would be incompatable config files.  Unless you are going to a diffrent
> user for each distro inside home e.g. /home/userubuntu, /home/usersuse
> et al.  Then the question arises how would the other distro's treat
> those users homes you would have to make sure none had the same uid.
>   

Well there is a problem I suspected, but didn't know about.  The shared
home idea will have to be dropped. and reduced to a shared data drive.

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn Http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com



From radkins at impelind.com  Wed Apr 11 10:56:10 2007
From: radkins at impelind.com (Robert Adkins)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:56:10 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Have I ever said...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704111019220.3092@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
References: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704111019220.3092@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
Message-ID: <461CF70A.60602@impelind.com>

Michael Corral wrote:
> Robert Adkins a ecrit:
>   
>> Why in the ever-loving world should a LCD Flat Panel Driver make it
>> impossible to boot Windows XP? Why does the "Last Known Good" and the
>> supposed "No Driver" Safe Mode fail?
>>     
>
> That's because, unlike Linux, Windows XP isn't ready yet for the desktop.
>
> Michael
    I completely agree. Although, it's important to note that under 
previous iterations (Windows 3.1 and Win9x) this wouldn't have been a 
problem, even remotely. So, maybe it was ready for the desktop (in this 
regard only) and has since been made less ready for the desktop in this 
regard.

    -Rob


From micorral at comcast.net  Wed Apr 11 11:43:31 2007
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:43:31 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [mdlug]  [HOWTO request] filter stderrr without altering stdout
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704111121250.3092@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>

Robert Meier a ecrit:
> For instance, is there a redirection usage that can carry interactive
> stdout past grep, and apply grep to stderr only?

I don't know of a way of doing this with the old ksh (ksh88).
With the newer ksh93, it can be done like this:

some_command 2>&1- | grep something_from_stderr

That moves (instead of duplicates) stdout to stderr.

To see which version of ksh you are running, do 'set -o emacs'
then hit CTRL-v, the output will end with either 88* or 93*.
If you're working on Solaris or HP-UX, then ksh93 is available
as /usr/dt/bin/dtksh. If you're in Linux, you can get ksh93 at
http://www.kornshell.com

Michael


From flav at binaryservice.com  Wed Apr 11 12:58:12 2007
From: flav at binaryservice.com (Flavio daCosta)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:58:12 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [HOWTO request] filter stderrr without altering stdout
In-Reply-To: <200704111143.l3BBhgFg012538@freehold.wwnet.com>
References: <200704102231.l3AMVQVI008642@freehold.wwnet.com>	<33033.216.144.215.245.1176250346.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
	<200704111143.l3BBhgFg012538@freehold.wwnet.com>
Message-ID: <461D13A4.3080703@binaryservice.com>

>From an email I sent to the list a few years back.  Its bash and not
sure if applicable in your case, but here it is:


On Tue, 2004-01-13 at 07:03, Flavio daCosta wrote:
[]$ (ls -ld /etc /no_such_dir 2>&3 | sed 's/^/out pipe:/') \
        3>&1 1>&2 | sed 's/^/err pipe:/'

A little more explanation:

File descriptors 0,1,2 (STDIN, STDOUT,STDERR) are common, but there are
more which may be used (3-9).   These may be used as a kind of holding
place.  The command above in psudo-code would read as such:

(the parenthesis make the processes run the following two commands in a
sub shell)
run command and re-direct STDERR (2>&3) to holding place '3' and
pipe STDOUT.  I piped it to a sed script which substitutes 'out pipe:'
at the beginning of the line.

Then take what went to 3 and send that to STDOUT (3>&1) and for safety
take the output of the earlier commands and send that to STDERR (1>&2).
At this point the former STDERR is simply STDOUT and we can just pipe
this as usual.

flav


From akulkis3 at hotpop.com  Wed Apr 11 08:45:31 2007
From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:45:31 +0400
Subject: [mdlug] FWD: MDUG meeting 4-14
In-Reply-To: <1176289805.5807.6.camel@mobiledaddy>
References: <46154E8B.4060204@ameritech.net> <461A7BF0.5060301@comcast.net>
	<1176289805.5807.6.camel@mobiledaddy>
Message-ID: <461CD86B.30905@hotpop.com>

Mathew Enders wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 13:46 -0400, Garry Stahl wrote:
>> Partion 1 swap.
>> Partitions 2-12 distros
>> Partition 12, user home, shared by all distros.
>>
>> Are their any problems here I don't know about?
>>
> Gary the problem with sharing the same home directory with each distro
> would be incompatable config files.  Unless you are going to a diffrent
> user for each distro inside home e.g. /home/userubuntu, /home/usersuse
> et al.  Then the question arises how would the other distro's treat
> those users homes you would have to make sure none had the same uid.
> 

There are indeed ways around this.. at GM, we made user's
home directories mountable and usable on FOUR different
unix vendors' machines ... HP-UX, IRIX, Solaris and AIX.

However, that said, it can be quite involved, and merely
using "uname" (which responds with a string like "HP-UX"
or "UNIX System V" or "4.4 BSD UNIX" or "linux" doesn't
work on multiple linux installations)  doesn't work...
so other tests have to be made instead, and those are
probably NOT guaranteed to be 100% forward compatable
with future releases of any distribution.




From micorral at comcast.net  Wed Apr 11 14:46:05 2007
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:46:05 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [mdlug] Mail archives
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704111438300.3092@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>

Something is wrong with this post on the MDLUG mail archives:
http://mdlug.org/pipermail/mdlug/2007-April/001389.html

I can understand how the MDLUG web server would want to filter
Flavio's controversial and dangerous posts :) but this looks
like it was just some kind of error.

Michael


From flav at binaryservice.com  Wed Apr 11 22:08:08 2007
From: flav at binaryservice.com (Flavio daCosta)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:08:08 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Mail archives
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704111438300.3092@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
References: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704111438300.3092@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
Message-ID: <461D9488.6010403@binaryservice.com>

Must have been all the redirection, redirected my post to /dev/null :-/


From akulkis3 at hotpop.com  Sun Apr  8 23:30:32 2007
From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 07:30:32 +0400
Subject: [mdlug] Vista DRM hurts Linux?
In-Reply-To: <138192.35460.qm@web80613.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <138192.35460.qm@web80613.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4619B358.3060203@hotpop.com>

Michael Rudas (computer) wrote:
> --- Grant <glarb at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> ... Now that I think about it, I can't
>> recall hearing anything about the
>> RIAA going after anyone lately.  Perhaps
>>  they've reconsidered the wisdom
>> of that move.  No, that can't be it.
> 
> I just wish it WERE true.  They may have a slightly
> lower profile, but they are just as clueless and
> brutish as ever.  See:
> 
> <http://consumerist.com/consumer/worst-company-in-america/>
> 

The MPAA and RIAA are the only organizations who actively
seek out and SUE THE VERY SAME CUSTOMERS WHO ARE LEGALLY
BUYING THEIR PRODUCTS.




From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Fri Apr 13 12:48:26 2007
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:48:26 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Some issues with the "ps" command
Message-ID: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33D03@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>


 Can anyone name a variant of Linux where the following command doesn't work?

 ps -ae -o pid -o user -o pcpu -o pmem -o args

 We've run into a situation where an old version of Red Hat EL 3 wouldn't run
either of these:

 ps -ae -o pid,user,pcpu,pmem,args
 ps -ae -o pid -o user -o %cpu -o %mem -o args

 ...but it *would* run the first one. We're striving for maximal portability,
so if anyone can name a Linux variant that can't run that one, I'd really like
to hear about it.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                      (313) 227-2317

 "Hope costs. Once you concede that problems can be solved, you
  have to get up off your ***. Despair, by contrast, is cheap,
    self-powering, eliminates unwanted guilt, and requires -
            permits - no effort." - Spider Robinson
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From micorral at comcast.net  Fri Apr 13 14:21:57 2007
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:21:57 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [mdlug] Some issues with the "ps" command
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704131411450.1328@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>

Ingles, Raymond a ecrit:
> Can anyone name a variant of Linux where the following command
> doesn't work?
>
> ps -ae -o pid -o user -o pcpu -o pmem -o args

You'd probably have to go back a ways to find an old Linux system
that used the BSD-style ps command (so the -o option didn't exist),
since I believe all Linux distros went with the SVR4-style ps a
long time ago. I have a RH6.2 system I can check when I get home.

Is this going to run on just Linux, or will it run on any UNIX?

Michael


From mdlug at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 13 14:14:05 2007
From: mdlug at sbcglobal.net (Dean Durant)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:14:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] amd64  losing ticks, driver hogging interupts?
Message-ID: <637831.37393.qm@web81807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello, I am running a 2.6.9 SMP kernel on a 2 CPU box,
and I have tried a 2.6.20.6 kernel as well.   In both
cases, passing noapic to the kernel, seems to help but
doesn't eliminate the problem.  On the net, people all
over the place, all different distros have seen this
and it seems to have to do with apic, IRQs, power
management,  maybe some other things, but tweaking all
of those things doesn't seem to help.   Here are the
messages I get:

Losing some ticks... checking if CPU frequency
changed.
warning: many lost ticks.
Your time source seems to be instable or some driver
is hogging interupts

Has anyone else seen this, and what was your solution?

Under heavy load, heavy disk usage, the system locks
up.   Then it has to be rebooted.    

Thanks, Dean





From set at pobox.com  Fri Apr 13 14:52:57 2007
From: set at pobox.com (Paul)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:52:57 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Some issues with the "ps" command
In-Reply-To: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33D03@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33D03@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <20070413185257.GC5814@squish.home.loc>

"Ingles, Raymond" <Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com>, on Fri Apr 13, 2007 [12:48:26 PM] said:
> 
>  Can anyone name a variant of Linux where the following command doesn't work?
> 
>  ps -ae -o pid -o user -o pcpu -o pmem -o args
> 
>  We've run into a situation where an old version of Red Hat EL 3 wouldn't run
> either of these:
> 
>  ps -ae -o pid,user,pcpu,pmem,args
>  ps -ae -o pid -o user -o %cpu -o %mem -o args
> 
>  ...but it *would* run the first one. We're striving for maximal portability,
> so if anyone can name a Linux variant that can't run that one, I'd really like
> to hear about it.
> 
>  Sincerely,
> 
>  Ray Ingles                                      (313) 227-2317

	Hi;

	Not sure about linux versions, but none of these will probably
work with a BSD userland. s/args/command/ and it should work for everyone
though;)

Paul
set at pobox.com


From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Fri Apr 13 15:43:02 2007
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:43:02 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Some issues with the "ps" command
In-Reply-To: <20070413185257.GC5814@squish.home.loc>
Message-ID: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33D05@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>


> From: Paul

> 	Not sure about linux versions, but none of these will probably
> work with a BSD userland. s/args/command/ and it should work 
> for everyone though;)

 How many Linuxes have a BSD userland? This is only being used on Linux
systems.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                    (313) 227-2317

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 reason..." - Screwtape, "The Screwtape Letters", C. S. Lewis
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From eaglecoach at wwnet.com  Fri Apr 13 22:13:14 2007
From: eaglecoach at wwnet.com (Robert Meier)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:13:14 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Some issues with the "ps" command
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704131411450.1328@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
	(message from Michael Corral on Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:21:57 -0400
	(Eastern Daylight Time))
References: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704131411450.1328@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
Message-ID: <200704140213.l3E2DETJ030915@freehold.wwnet.com>

Ray,

> > Can anyone name a variant of Linux where the following command
> > doesn't work?
> > ps -ae -o pid -o user -o pcpu -o pmem -o args

> ... since I believe all Linux distros went with [POSIX-style] ps a
> long time ago. ...
> Is this going to run on ... any UNIX?

  "-o  format
   Write information according to the format specification given in format.
   This is fully described in the STDOUT section. Multiple -o options can
   be specified; the format specification shall be interpreted as the
   <space>-separated concatenation of all the format option-arguments.
   ...
   ruser ... user ... rgroup ... group ... pid ... ppid ... pgid ...
   pcpu ... vsz ... nice ... time ... tty ... comm ... args ..."
		     -- POSIX.2 (IEEE Std 1003.1: Shell & Utilities: ps)



If you are looking for a portable ps,
   o use multiple '-o's or spaces within a quoted-string for a single -o
   o skip pmem

<IIRC>
I've used comma separation in the past,
and can't remember a system that didn't accept this extension to POSIX.
</IIRC>

SuSE-10.0 extends POSIX.2 by accepting pmem.



Hopefully helpful,
-- 
Dr. Robert J. Meier


From paul.matthews at opensourcehowto.org  Sat Apr 14 06:17:13 2007
From: paul.matthews at opensourcehowto.org (Paul Matthews)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:17:13 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [mdlug] OpenSourceHowTo.org
Message-ID: <56872.124.185.121.174.1176545833.squirrel@www.opensourcehowto.org>

http://www.opensourcehowto.org

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- Ads locked down, no more offence ads (hopefully) & more relevant ads now
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- OpenWiki was installed on OpenSourceHowTo.Org
- A translation module was added for OpenSourceHowTo.Org
- Video How-to's are being made & added

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From rjclay at gmail.com  Sat Apr 14 12:27:55 2007
From: rjclay at gmail.com (Robert J. Clay)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:27:55 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] I'm happy!
In-Reply-To: <24258.66.51.146.97.1176137187.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
References: <24258.66.51.146.97.1176137187.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
Message-ID: <a379574a0704140927o4772d2aare6252e32849b9216@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/9/07, Carl T. Miller <millerc at cantonpl.org> wrote:
> Debian Etch has just become stable.  I'm happy.

  As am I, although I'd already been running it on a couple of systems...<g>


-- 
Robert J. Clay
rjclay at gmail.com


From davidl at lmert.com  Sat Apr 14 17:35:49 2007
From: davidl at lmert.com (David Lee Lambert)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:35:49 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SSH-from-laptop issues
Message-ID: <200704141736.00977.davidl@lmert.com>

As I mentioned at the meeting today,  I've been having trouble connecting to a 
certain computer from my laptop when I'm at my dad's house.  My laptop is a 
Linux system running kernel 2.6.14.5, and I'm trying to connect to my system 
at home,  Linux, running kernel 2.6.x.  My dad has a Wow! cable-modem 
connection with a Belkin FD5231-4 hardware firewall/4-port switch between it 
and the network.  The Linux system I'm trying to connect to is connected 
directly to a Comcast cable-mode,  and has a domain-name provided by 
dyndns.org.  Among other systems,  my dad has a Windows XP box with Cygwin 
SSH and Internet Explorer.

I can log in via SSH,  and view the Apache website on my server,  from my 
dad's Windows XP box.  I cannot do either thing from my laptop while 
connected to my dad's network.  I can access every other website I can think 
of (yahoo,  Wayne State, slashdot...)  

I checked the logs on the Belkin firewall,  and didn't see anything relating 
to my laptop's IP address.  I saw something about a "SYN flood attack" from 
an internal dynamic DHCP address (probably my sister's laptop) with a date a 
couple weeks ago.  

I can run TCPdump on my laptop.  I don't see the traffic to/from the XP box,  
because it's on a different port of the switch.  Here's what I see if I run 
ssh and wait a couple of seconds:

17:34:25.821116 IP 192.168.0.7.50009 > mail.wayne.edu.imaps: . ack 509593 win 
32767
17:34:47.419039 IP 192.168.0.7.52484 > ramoth.ssh: SWE 3649070327:3649070327
(0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 515388669 0,nop,wscale 2>
17:34:50.418878 IP 192.168.0.7.52484 > ramoth.ssh: SWE 3649070327:3649070327
(0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 515389419 0,nop,wscale 2>

Any ideas what's wrong? 

-- 
David Lee Lambert ... Software Developer
Cell phone: +1 586-873-8813 ; alt. email <as4109 at wayne.edu> or 
<lamber45 at msu.edu>
GPG key at http://www.lmert.com/keyring.txt
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From misevich at gmail.com  Sat Apr 14 19:25:15 2007
From: misevich at gmail.com (Dave Misevich)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:25:15 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SSH-from-laptop issues
In-Reply-To: <200704141736.00977.davidl@lmert.com>
References: <200704141736.00977.davidl@lmert.com>
Message-ID: <afabc6b70704141625u6d025342s6823b951f06265d1@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/14/07, David Lee Lambert <davidl at lmert.com> wrote:
snip
> Here's what I see if I run
> ssh and wait a couple of seconds:
>
> 17:34:25.821116 IP 192.168.0.7.50009 > mail.wayne.edu.imaps: . ack 509593 win
> 32767
> 17:34:47.419039 IP 192.168.0.7.52484 > ramoth.ssh: SWE 3649070327:3649070327
> (0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 515388669 0,nop,wscale 2>
> 17:34:50.418878 IP 192.168.0.7.52484 > ramoth.ssh: SWE 3649070327:3649070327
> (0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 515389419 0,nop,wscale 2>
>
> Any ideas what's wrong?
>

Hi David,

Don't know what's wrong but maybe try running ssh in verbose mode (-v
or -vv or -vvv) to get some more info out of it. HTH
-- 
Dave Misevich
Canton, MI
'85 K100RT


From MPR_Linux at Ameritech.net  Sun Apr 15 02:41:29 2007
From: MPR_Linux at Ameritech.net (Michael Rudas (computer))
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 02:41:29 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Penguins, start your engines!
Message-ID: <4621C919.7010400@Ameritech.net>

I ran across this on the blog of helios.  It's an interesting idea, 
perhaps worthy of our support?  Quoting from the site:

"Marketing Linux has always been a tricky proposition.  As a community, 
we have relied on corporations who have a stake in the Linux operating 
system to market Linux to the world at large.  Today, we have an 
opportunity to change that, and make Linux marketing as much a community 
effort as Linux development.  That effort begins with the Tux 500 project.

"Our goal is simple: we want to collect community donations to enter a 
Linux sponsored car in the 2007 Indianapolis 500.  We need your help!  
If less than 1% of the Linux community donates $1, this will happen... 
will you do your part?"

http://www.tux500.com

This also might be something to mention at Penguicon, as well.

-- Mikey



From jmtaylor90 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 15 09:36:42 2007
From: jmtaylor90 at gmail.com (Jason Taylor)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 09:36:42 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SSH-from-laptop issues
In-Reply-To: <200704141736.00977.davidl@lmert.com>
References: <200704141736.00977.davidl@lmert.com>
Message-ID: <1176644203.22262.2.camel@buster.blogdns.net>

Can you use other network services without issue on your laptop (e.g.
Samba, web browsing, FTP)? By SSH not working, do you not get a login?
Do you get a login but username/pass rejected? How is your firewall on
your laptop configured? Does SSH on your laptop work to other
destinations?

-Jason

On Sat, 2007-04-14 at 17:35 -0400, David Lee Lambert wrote:
> As I mentioned at the meeting today,  I've been having trouble connecting to a 
> certain computer from my laptop when I'm at my dad's house.  My laptop is a 
> Linux system running kernel 2.6.14.5, and I'm trying to connect to my system 
> at home,  Linux, running kernel 2.6.x.  My dad has a Wow! cable-modem 
> connection with a Belkin FD5231-4 hardware firewall/4-port switch between it 
> and the network.  The Linux system I'm trying to connect to is connected 
> directly to a Comcast cable-mode,  and has a domain-name provided by 
> dyndns.org.  Among other systems,  my dad has a Windows XP box with Cygwin 
> SSH and Internet Explorer.
> 
> I can log in via SSH,  and view the Apache website on my server,  from my 
> dad's Windows XP box.  I cannot do either thing from my laptop while 
> connected to my dad's network.  I can access every other website I can think 
> of (yahoo,  Wayne State, slashdot...)  
> 
> I checked the logs on the Belkin firewall,  and didn't see anything relating 
> to my laptop's IP address.  I saw something about a "SYN flood attack" from 
> an internal dynamic DHCP address (probably my sister's laptop) with a date a 
> couple weeks ago.  
> 
> I can run TCPdump on my laptop.  I don't see the traffic to/from the XP box,  
> because it's on a different port of the switch.  Here's what I see if I run 
> ssh and wait a couple of seconds:
> 
> 17:34:25.821116 IP 192.168.0.7.50009 > mail.wayne.edu.imaps: . ack 509593 win 
> 32767
> 17:34:47.419039 IP 192.168.0.7.52484 > ramoth.ssh: SWE 3649070327:3649070327
> (0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 515388669 0,nop,wscale 2>
> 17:34:50.418878 IP 192.168.0.7.52484 > ramoth.ssh: SWE 3649070327:3649070327
> (0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 515389419 0,nop,wscale 2>
> 
> Any ideas what's wrong? 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
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From rkannan at peoplepc.com  Sat Apr 14 23:08:44 2007
From: rkannan at peoplepc.com (R Kannan)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:08:44 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Multiple printers in OpenOffice 2.0
Message-ID: <1176606524.31331.5.camel@hppavilion.kannanhome>

Hi,

I added one more (network IPP) printer (printer2) to my machine through
KDE printer manager. It originally had 'printer1'. Everything seemed to
work. But when I go to OOo, it shows only one printer under the name
'Generic Printer'. I tried logging in as root and run 'spadmin' under
the open office 'program' directory and found both the printers. I
changed the default printer to 'printer2' and tried printing to the
'generic printer' as user and it went to 'printer2' as expected.  How do
I get both printers to show up in the printer drop down in OO? 

TIA for any help
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From rkannan at peoplepc.com  Sat Apr 14 23:16:26 2007
From: rkannan at peoplepc.com (R Kannan)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:16:26 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Multiple printers in OpenOffice 2.0
In-Reply-To: <1176606524.31331.5.camel@hppavilion.kannanhome>
References: <1176606524.31331.5.camel@hppavilion.kannanhome>
Message-ID: <1176606986.31331.7.camel@hppavilion.kannanhome>

BTW, I am using CUPS

On Sat, 2007-04-14 at 23:08, R Kannan wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I added one more (network IPP) printer (printer2) to my machine
> through KDE printer manager. It originally had 'printer1'. Everything
> seemed to work. But when I go to OOo, it shows only one printer under
> the name 'Generic Printer'. I tried logging in as root and run
> 'spadmin' under the open office 'program' directory and found both the
> printers. I changed the default printer to 'printer2' and tried
> printing to the 'generic printer' as user and it went to 'printer2' as
> expected.  How do I get both printers to show up in the printer drop
> down in OO? 
> 
> TIA for any help 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> mdlug at mdlug.org
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From gib at juno.com  Sun Apr 15 12:45:06 2007
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:45:06 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Penguins, start your engines!
Message-ID: <20070415.094525.724.1070388@webmail26.lax.untd.com>

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From gib at juno.com  Sun Apr 15 12:46:43 2007
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:46:43 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Multiple printers in OpenOffice 2.0
Message-ID: <20070415.094727.724.1070407@webmail26.lax.untd.com>

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From flav at binaryservice.com  Sun Apr 15 12:52:54 2007
From: flav at binaryservice.com (Flavio daCosta)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 12:52:54 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SSH-from-laptop issues
In-Reply-To: <200704141736.00977.davidl@lmert.com>
References: <200704141736.00977.davidl@lmert.com>
Message-ID: <46225866.1040400@binaryservice.com>



On 04/14/2007 05:35 PM, David Lee Lambert wrote:
> 17:34:47.419039 IP 192.168.0.7.52484 > ramoth.ssh: SWE 3649070327:3649070327
> (0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 515388669 0,nop,wscale 2>
> 17:34:50.418878 IP 192.168.0.7.52484 > ramoth.ssh: SWE 3649070327:3649070327
> (0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 515389419 0,nop,wscale 2>

iirc, the E in your tcpdump means ECN (Explicit Congestion Notification)
is enabled.  Try disabling that (you probably dont need it anyway,
google for answer) and see what happens:

echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn

Hope that helps
flav


From bobdion at starline-ent.com  Sun Apr 15 13:06:09 2007
From: bobdion at starline-ent.com (bob dion)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:06:09 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Multiple printers in OpenOffice 2.0
In-Reply-To: <1176606524.31331.5.camel@hppavilion.kannanhome>
References: <1176606524.31331.5.camel@hppavilion.kannanhome>
Message-ID: <46225B81.3090005@starline-ent.com>

R Kannan wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I added one more (network IPP) printer (printer2) to my machine through
> KDE printer manager. It originally had 'printer1'. Everything seemed to

I have found, in the past, that setting up prints with the KDE printer 
manager does not make the printer automatically available to all apps. I 
now use the Cups web interface to setup prints. http://localhost:631

BD


From rkannan at peoplepc.com  Sun Apr 15 02:57:02 2007
From: rkannan at peoplepc.com (R Kannan)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 02:57:02 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Multiple printers in OpenOffice 2.0
In-Reply-To: <46225B81.3090005@starline-ent.com>
References: <1176606524.31331.5.camel@hppavilion.kannanhome>
	<46225B81.3090005@starline-ent.com>
Message-ID: <1176620222.32087.2.camel@hppavilion.kannanhome>

Thanks.  But I found that both the printers ae indeed available in CUPS.
This seems to be  a strange problem with OpenOffice.

On Sun, 2007-04-15 at 13:06, bob dion wrote:

> R Kannan wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I added one more (network IPP) printer (printer2) to my machine through
> > KDE printer manager. It originally had 'printer1'. Everything seemed to
> 
> I have found, in the past, that setting up prints with the KDE printer 
> manager does not make the printer automatically available to all apps. I 
> now use the Cups web interface to setup prints. http://localhost:631
> 
> BD
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
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From davidl at lmert.com  Sun Apr 15 20:28:28 2007
From: davidl at lmert.com (David Lee Lambert)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:28:28 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] SSH-from-laptop issues
In-Reply-To: <1176644203.22262.2.camel@buster.blogdns.net>
References: <200704141736.00977.davidl@lmert.com>
	<1176644203.22262.2.camel@buster.blogdns.net>
Message-ID: <200704152028.38427.davidl@lmert.com>

On Sunday 15 April 2007 09:36 am, Jason Taylor wrote:
> Can you use other network services without issue on your laptop (e.g.
> Samba, web browsing, FTP)? By SSH not working, do you not get a login?
> Do you get a login but username/pass rejected? How is your firewall on
> your laptop configured? Does SSH on your laptop work to other
> destinations?

To answer your questions,  all network services to all other hosts worked 
fine.  Neither SSH nor HTTP to the host in question worked.  I have no 
firewall on the laptop (kernel 2.6 compiled with IPtables support,  doing NAT 
from a VMware internal network, but it's not configured to block any 
traffic).  He didn't give an error-message;  they just waited to connect.

Today I looked at this again, and I think I've identified the likely culprit,  
although I'm not sure when I'll be back at my dad's house to test my new 
theory.  I have an entry in the "/etc/hosts" file on my laptop for the host 
in question, with an address in the private range I use behind the firewall 
at my home (for example, 192.168.77.0/24).  My dad's house uses a different 
private range (for example,  192.168.44.0/25).  When I used my laptop from 
foreign networks in the past,  I guess an ICMP unreachable message was 
generated,  forcing my laptop to look for another address;  but on this 
particular network,  the TCP SYN packets just disappeared.   

I don't really need to use a "hosts" file for that particular server anyway...

-- 
David Lee Lambert ... Software Developer
Cell phone: +1 586-873-8813 ; alt. email <as4109 at wayne.edu> or 
<lamber45 at msu.edu>
GPG key at http://www.lmert.com/keyring.txt
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From davidl at lmert.com  Sun Apr 15 20:53:27 2007
From: davidl at lmert.com (David Lee Lambert)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:53:27 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] FWD: MDUG meeting 4-14
In-Reply-To: <1176289805.5807.6.camel@mobiledaddy>
References: <46154E8B.4060204@ameritech.net> <461A7BF0.5060301@comcast.net>
	<1176289805.5807.6.camel@mobiledaddy>
Message-ID: <200704152053.28798.davidl@lmert.com>

On Wednesday 11 April 2007 07:10 am, Mathew Enders wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 13:46 -0400, Garry Stahl wrote:
> > Partion 1 swap.
> > Partitions 2-12 distros
> > Partition 12, user home, shared by all distros.
> >
> > Are their any problems here I don't know about?
>
> Gary the problem with sharing the same home directory with each distro
> would be incompatable config files.

While this could be a minor problem,  it's unlikely to be a major one.  I have 
a home-directory that's been used by Slackware, several releases of Debian, 
and RedHat,  and the worst thing that happened was that some gnome-panel 
applets didn't show up after an incomplete upgrade of the same distribution.

-- 
David Lee Lambert ... Software Developer
Cell phone: +1 586-873-8813 ; alt. email <as4109 at wayne.edu> or 
<lamber45 at msu.edu>
GPG key at http://www.lmert.com/keyring.txt


From tesral at comcast.net  Sun Apr 15 23:49:49 2007
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:49:49 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Job posting
Message-ID: <4622F25D.4070903@comcast.net>

http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/14723559.html

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn Http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com



From jhansonxi at gmail.com  Mon Apr 16 00:02:25 2007
From: jhansonxi at gmail.com (Jeff Hanson)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:02:25 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Job posting
In-Reply-To: <4622F25D.4070903@comcast.net>
References: <4622F25D.4070903@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <b02c40e90704152102k4de6fbebk6498195816470f45@mail.gmail.com>

There is a lot of other good ones on that site.

On 4/15/07, Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net> wrote:
> http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/14723559.html


From mathew.enders at prodigy.net  Mon Apr 16 01:14:06 2007
From: mathew.enders at prodigy.net (Mathew Enders)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 01:14:06 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] FWD: MDUG meeting 4-14
In-Reply-To: <200704152053.28798.davidl@lmert.com>
References: <46154E8B.4060204@ameritech.net> <461A7BF0.5060301@comcast.net>
	<1176289805.5807.6.camel@mobiledaddy>
	<200704152053.28798.davidl@lmert.com>
Message-ID: <1176700446.6841.13.camel@mobiledaddy>

On Sun, 2007-04-15 at 20:53 -0400, David Lee Lambert wrote:
> On Wednesday 11 April 2007 07:10 am, Mathew Enders wrote:
> > On Mon, 2007-04-09 at 13:46 -0400, Garry Stahl wrote:
> > > Partion 1 swap.
> > > Partitions 2-12 distros
> > > Partition 12, user home, shared by all distros.
> > >
> > > Are their any problems here I don't know about?
> >
> > Gary the problem with sharing the same home directory with each distro
> > would be incompatable config files.
> 
> While this could be a minor problem,  it's unlikely to be a major one.  I have 
> a home-directory that's been used by Slackware, several releases of Debian, 
> and RedHat,  and the worst thing that happened was that some gnome-panel 
> applets didn't show up after an incomplete upgrade of the same distribution.
> 

I have also done this.  But the distro's were not "sharing" the home
directory as they were installedone at a time.



From gib at juno.com  Mon Apr 16 11:22:10 2007
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:22:10 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] How can I set up a process initiated by another user to
	execute as my user ID?
Message-ID: <20070416.082436.2325.2811547@webmail23.lax.untd.com>

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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Mon Apr 16 11:47:36 2007
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:47:36 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] How can I set up a process initiated by another user
	toexecute as my user ID?
In-Reply-To: <20070416.082436.2325.2811547@webmail23.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33D09@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>


> From: gib at juno.com

> How can I set up a process initiated by another user to execute as my user ID?

 You want to use "sudo". Just type "man sudo" at a terminal to get plenty of info.
It'll do what you want. If you have questions after reading the man page, we'll
be happy to help!

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                        (313) 227-2317

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  a petition composed entirely of quotes from the Bill of Rights
   and the Declaration of Independence. Thanks to the Red Scare,
   only one person out of 112 signed it; some called the FBI to
            investigate the 'subversive' petition.
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From rharding at mitechie.com  Mon Apr 16 12:14:35 2007
From: rharding at mitechie.com (Rick Harding)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:14:35 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Job posting
In-Reply-To: <4622F25D.4070903@comcast.net>
References: <4622F25D.4070903@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4623A0EB.2020808@mitechie.com>

Garry Stahl wrote:
> http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/14723559.html
> 

Wow, at least they realize they're begging for help. 10 years Windows 
Sysadmin with linux and web programming? Damn.

Rick


From akulkis3 at hotpop.com  Mon Apr 16 12:17:24 2007
From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:17:24 +0400
Subject: [mdlug] How can I set up a process initiated by another user
 to	execute as my user ID?
In-Reply-To: <20070416.082436.2325.2811547@webmail23.lax.untd.com>
References: <20070416.082436.2325.2811547@webmail23.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4623A194.2080502@hotpop.com>

gib at juno.com wrote:
>  
> 
> How can I set up a process initiated by another user to execute as my 
> user ID?
> 
> I have a process that logs into an ftp server with my user ID and my 
> password but I don't want to provide my password to someone else.  How 
> can I allow someone else to execute this process? 
>

I'm assuming that it's compiled code, and not a shell script.

If so, just make sure that YOU are the owner of the executable,
and then use chmod to set the "set User ID" (setuid) bit.

chmod 1755 executable_file




> Alternatively, can I set up a process that will be able to read the 
> password from a secure location without the user seeing it?
Yes, same way.







From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Mon Apr 16 13:08:56 2007
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:08:56 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] How can I set up a process initiated by another user to
 execute as my user ID?
In-Reply-To: <4623A194.2080502@hotpop.com>
Message-ID: <C24925E8.317FC%GregWojtak@quickenloans.com>

Actually, that's 4755... 1755 sets the sticky bit.


On 4/16/07 12:17 PM, "Aaron Kulkis" <akulkis3 at hotpop.com> wrote:

> gib at juno.com wrote:
>>  
>> 
>> How can I set up a process initiated by another user to execute as my
>> user ID?
>> 
>> I have a process that logs into an ftp server with my user ID and my
>> password but I don't want to provide my password to someone else.  How
>> can I allow someone else to execute this process?
>> 
> 
> I'm assuming that it's compiled code, and not a shell script.
> 
> If so, just make sure that YOU are the owner of the executable,
> and then use chmod to set the "set User ID" (setuid) bit.
> 
> chmod 1755 executable_file
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Alternatively, can I set up a process that will be able to read the
>> password from a secure location without the user seeing it?
> Yes, same way.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


From akulkis3 at hotpop.com  Mon Apr 16 13:36:31 2007
From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:36:31 +0400
Subject: [mdlug] How can I set up a process initiated by another user to
 execute as my user ID?
In-Reply-To: <C24925E8.317FC%GregWojtak@quickenloans.com>
References: <C24925E8.317FC%GregWojtak@quickenloans.com>
Message-ID: <4623B41F.7030800@hotpop.com>

Wojtak, Greg wrote:

> 
> On 4/16/07 12:17 PM, "Aaron Kulkis" <akulkis3 at hotpop.com> wrote:
> 
>> gib at juno.com wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>> How can I set up a process initiated by another user to execute as my
>>> user ID?
>>>
>>> I have a process that logs into an ftp server with my user ID and my
>>> password but I don't want to provide my password to someone else.  How
>>> can I allow someone else to execute this process?
>>>
>> I'm assuming that it's compiled code, and not a shell script.
>>
>> If so, just make sure that YOU are the owner of the executable,
>> and then use chmod to set the "set User ID" (setuid) bit.
>>
>> chmod 1755 executable_file
>>

 > Actually, that's 4755... 1755 sets the sticky bit.
 >

Whoops... thanks ;-)


>>
>>
>>
>>> Alternatively, can I set up a process that will be able to read the
>>> password from a secure location without the user seeing it?
 >>
>> Yes, same way.
>>




From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Mon Apr 16 15:58:24 2007
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:58:24 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] How can I set up a process initiated by another user to
 execute as my user ID?
In-Reply-To: <4623B41F.7030800@hotpop.com>
Message-ID: <C2494DA0.318B3%GregWojtak@quickenloans.com>

It's not often I get to correct someone else... usually it's the other way
around.  Like this top-posting, for example.


On 4/16/07 1:36 PM, "Aaron Kulkis" <akulkis3 at hotpop.com> wrote:

> Wojtak, Greg wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 4/16/07 12:17 PM, "Aaron Kulkis" <akulkis3 at hotpop.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> gib at juno.com wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> How can I set up a process initiated by another user to execute as my
>>>> user ID?
>>>> 
>>>> I have a process that logs into an ftp server with my user ID and my
>>>> password but I don't want to provide my password to someone else.  How
>>>> can I allow someone else to execute this process?
>>>> 
>>> I'm assuming that it's compiled code, and not a shell script.
>>> 
>>> If so, just make sure that YOU are the owner of the executable,
>>> and then use chmod to set the "set User ID" (setuid) bit.
>>> 
>>> chmod 1755 executable_file
>>> 
> 
>> Actually, that's 4755... 1755 sets the sticky bit.
>> 
> 
> Whoops... thanks ;-)
> 
> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Alternatively, can I set up a process that will be able to read the
>>>> password from a secure location without the user seeing it?
>>> 
>>> Yes, same way.
>>> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


From z_mikowski at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 16 16:12:35 2007
From: z_mikowski at yahoo.com (Michael S. Mikowski)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:12:35 -0700
Subject: [mdlug] Penguins, start your engines!
In-Reply-To: <4621C919.7010400@Ameritech.net>
References: <4621C919.7010400@Ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <200704161312.35853.z_mikowski@yahoo.com>

I threw 'em 20 bones from my PayPal account.  Maybe I'm a sucker...

I think the logo should be "LINUX", nothing else, for greatest 
visibility; however, Linux should really be promoted consistently for 
maximum "brand" recognition.  I wonder if there are guidelines for 
such?

As an aside, don't they have to check with Linus to see if they can even 
*use* this trademark?

Cheers, Mike

On Saturday 14 April 2007, Michael Rudas (computer) wrote:
> I ran across this on the blog of helios.  It's an interesting idea,
> perhaps worthy of our support?  Quoting from the site:
>
> "Marketing Linux has always been a tricky proposition.  As a
> community, we have relied on corporations who have a stake in the
> Linux operating system to market Linux to the world at large.  Today,
> we have an opportunity to change that, and make Linux marketing as
> much a community effort as Linux development.  That effort begins
> with the Tux 500 project.
>
> "Our goal is simple: we want to collect community donations to enter
> a Linux sponsored car in the 2007 Indianapolis 500.  We need your
> help! If less than 1% of the Linux community donates $1, this will
> happen... will you do your part?"
>
> http://www.tux500.com
>
> This also might be something to mention at Penguicon, as well.
>
> -- Mikey
>
> _______________________________________________
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> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug

-- 
Mike
www.dynaorg.com


From micorral at comcast.net  Mon Apr 16 16:25:55 2007
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:25:55 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [mdlug] Penguins, start your engines!
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704161619350.2304@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>

Michael Rudas (computer) a ecrit:
> "Our goal is simple: we want to collect community donations to enter a
> Linux sponsored car in the 2007 Indianapolis 500.  We need your help!
> If less than 1% of the Linux community donates $1, this will happen...
> will you do your part?"
>
> http://www.tux500.com

Instead of just promoting "Linux", they should be promoting the most
user-friendly distro that "just works" on the desktop for grandma.
So let's start an "Ubuntu Linux" Indy 500 sponsorship drive!

Michael


From jjn at nuge.com  Mon Apr 16 17:05:23 2007
From: jjn at nuge.com (Jay Nugent)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:05:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Washtenaw Linux Users Group Meeting 4/19/07
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0704161702360.10407-100000@home.nuge.com>



                    *** Meeting Announcement ***
                             for the
                 Washtenaw Linux Users Group - WLUG

           Date/Time: Thursday April 19th at 8pm

           Location:  Washtenaw Community College
                      4800 E.Huron River Drive
                      Ann Arbor, Michigan
                      Room BE-150

              Topic:  Beginners level Linux (command line stuff)
                 By:  Mike Bernson

   Mike will cover the Linux command line interface (CLI). He will discuss
the 'bash' shell, file system, tty signals, and more.


                         ================================

      See [www.lugwash.org] for further information about the Washtenaw 
Linux Users Group, maps and directions, and mailing list information.

          --- Jay

"Getting rid of terrorism is like getting rid of dandruff.  It cannot
 be done completely no matter how hard you try." -- Gore Vidal
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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| LinuxNIC, Inc. [www.linuxnic.net]   Registrar of the .linux TLD        |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
  5:01pm  up 36 days, 12:47,  2 users,  load average: 0.58, 0.21, 0.15



From treii28 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 17 12:17:01 2007
From: treii28 at yahoo.com (Scott Webster Wood)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:17:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Job posting
Message-ID: <264994.38468.qm@web38009.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

yeah, that is interesting - how are they going to find someone with 'at least' 10 years in windows '2000' administration.  It is still 2007 isn't it?  I remember when I first learned perl, it was only about a year old, java was reasonably new as well.  And I remember seeing a job posting asking for someone with a minimum of 5 years of each.  Where is that time machine these applicants are using?

I think the most telling part of that job posting are three words right near the top:  'back end penetration' - If you'd like to get bent over - come work for us!

----- Original Message ----
From: Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net>
To: MDLUG Main <mdlug at mdlug.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 10:49:49 PM
Subject: [mdlug] Job posting

http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/14723559.html

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

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From dcl400m at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 17 14:01:16 2007
From: dcl400m at yahoo.com (David Lane)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:01:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Job posting
In-Reply-To: <264994.38468.qm@web38009.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20070417180116.51090.qmail@web37910.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Try www.dice.com there are lots of IT/Linux jobs, but there is a lot of competition for those jobs.  And Rates are "market"
   
  David 
   
   
  

Scott Webster Wood <treii28 at yahoo.com> wrote:
  yeah, that is interesting - how are they going to find someone with 'at least' 10 years in windows '2000' administration. It is still 2007 isn't it? I remember when I first learned perl, it was only about a year old, java was reasonably new as well. And I remember seeing a job posting asking for someone with a minimum of 5 years of each. Where is that time machine these applicants are using?

I think the most telling part of that job posting are three words right near the top: 'back end penetration' - If you'd like to get bent over - come work for us!

----- Original Message ----
From: Garry Stahl 
To: MDLUG Main 
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 10:49:49 PM
Subject: [mdlug] Job posting

http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/14723559.html

-- 
Garry AKA --Phoenix-- Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn Http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com

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From mdlug at chaka.net  Wed Apr 18 10:44:56 2007
From: mdlug at chaka.net (Todd Chapman)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:44:56 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Next Detroit Perl Mongers meeting Tuesday, April 24th at 7pm
Message-ID: <20070418144456.GM8679@erie.mg2.org>


The next meeting of the Detroit Perl Mongers will be next Tuesday, April
24th at 7pm. Next week!

This month Bill Hess of Technology Resource Group will be presenting.
Bill will talk about building Perl from source, building Perl modules,
and binding to C libraries with SWIG.

The meeting place is ePrize headquarters, which is at One ePrize Drive,
Pleasant Ridge, MI 48069. 

Food and beverage will be provided by ePrize. 

Please RSVP to todd.chapman at eprize.com. 

Todd Chapman
todd.chapman at eprize.com
Software Engineer
ePrize


From gib at juno.com  Thu Apr 19 08:24:05 2007
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:24:05 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] http://www.boredomhurts.com
Message-ID: <20070419.052500.15664.2617708@webmail32.lax.untd.com>

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From cxiiixc at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr 21 13:45:28 2007
From: cxiiixc at sbcglobal.net (William Fisher)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:45:28 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
Message-ID: <462A4DB8.5090003@sbcglobal.net>

I've been hearing a lot about Web 2.0 lately.  Do any of you know if 
this has anything to do with IPv6?  I'm just wondering if everything I'm 
learning about TCP/IP is going to be obsolete.

Will


From millerc at cantonpl.org  Sun Apr 22 08:11:01 2007
From: millerc at cantonpl.org (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 08:11:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
In-Reply-To: <462A4DB8.5090003@sbcglobal.net>
References: <462A4DB8.5090003@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <32898.216.144.215.245.1177243861.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>

William Fisher wrote:
> I've been hearing a lot about Web 2.0 lately.  Do any of you know if
> this has anything to do with IPv6?  I'm just wondering if everything I'm
> learning about TCP/IP is going to be obsolete.

I've heard that Web 2.0 is about interactive websites such
as wikipedia.  The idea is that the first web was about
websites with static data, and that with Web 2.0 anybody
can be involved with adding content.

c





From mdlug at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr 22 13:00:15 2007
From: mdlug at sbcglobal.net (dean)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:00:15 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [Fwd: [Fwd: UNIX Opportunities]]  - Ford
Message-ID: <462B949F.9000401@sbcglobal.net>



	

	

	

	



Hi MDLUG,
 
My name is Renee and I came across your name when doing a search on the 
Metro Detroit Linux group (I was looking to see if we could post 
opportunities anywhere on the site : ).  I remembered your resume from 
earlier this year when Stacy Tobis contacted you about a CIBER opportunity.
 
Anyhow, we have a LOT of opportunity in the UNIX/Linux space right now 
at Ford and I'm wondering if you or anyone you know might be interested 
in learning more about the positions we have available?  The managers 
are actually moving pretty quickly and we've scoured the boards for good 
candidates, now I'm going back through our resume database.
 
If you are interested, I'll have Stacy Tobis give you a call!  If you 
are not interested, I would appreciate if you could pass my contact 
information on to anyone you know who may be looking.  Have them send me 
a copy of their resume and salary requirements, and I'll do my best to 
find a suitable opportunity before having a recruiter contact them so we 
don't waste their time.
 
We have systems administration opportunities that focus on Linux, on 
AIX, and some that don't specify - they just want strong admins with 
scripting.
 
Thank you for your time, and have a good day!
 
Ren?e Bumpus
Staffing Coordinator
CIBER, Inc.
(800) 324-6001, x1734 (toll free)
(248) 204-1734 (direct)

www.ciber.com
 
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From akulkis3 at hotpop.com  Sun Apr 22 13:02:38 2007
From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:02:38 +0400
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
In-Reply-To: <32898.216.144.215.245.1177243861.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
References: <462A4DB8.5090003@sbcglobal.net>
	<32898.216.144.215.245.1177243861.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
Message-ID: <462B952E.2030800@hotpop.com>

Carl T. Miller wrote:
> William Fisher wrote:
>> I've been hearing a lot about Web 2.0 lately.  Do any of you know if
>> this has anything to do with IPv6?  I'm just wondering if everything I'm
>> learning about TCP/IP is going to be obsolete.
> 
> I've heard that Web 2.0 is about interactive websites such
> as wikipedia.  The idea is that the first web was about
> websites with static data, and that with Web 2.0 anybody
> can be involved with adding content.

Web 2.0 is just a journalistic catch phrase.  It has no
technical meaning (i.e. there is no http version 2.0)

As for IPv6... that's been out for YEARS -- almost a decade now.



From unforgiven24 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 22 17:18:00 2007
From: unforgiven24 at gmail.com (Mike Ward)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:18:00 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
In-Reply-To: <462A4DB8.5090003@sbcglobal.net>
References: <462A4DB8.5090003@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <5aa434200704221418m243acaa0pf5bdbeb5cd9e6f74@mail.gmail.com>

Web2.0 is the web with upgraded tubes. Web 1.0 was just a truck.


Joke aside, it's not at all a technical issue, more of a social one.
I'd explain more, but I'll spare you my half-competent attempt and
just link you to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0

Essentially, "web 2.0" refers to a change from static sites to more
community sites, the idea of user-generated content, etc.

On 4/21/07, William Fisher <cxiiixc at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I've been hearing a lot about Web 2.0 lately.  Do any of you know if
> this has anything to do with IPv6?  I'm just wondering if everything I'm
> learning about TCP/IP is going to be obsolete.
>
> Will
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>


From bobdion at starline-ent.com  Sun Apr 22 20:39:29 2007
From: bobdion at starline-ent.com (bob dion)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:39:29 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
In-Reply-To: <462A4DB8.5090003@sbcglobal.net>
References: <462A4DB8.5090003@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <462C0041.9090003@starline-ent.com>

William Fisher wrote:
> I've been hearing a lot about Web 2.0 lately.  Do any of you know if 
> this has anything to do with IPv6?  I'm just wondering if everything I'm 
> learning about TCP/IP is going to be obsolete.

Like everyone else said.

However, there was this article in the Freepress last week:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007704150604

enjoy
BD


From fati at venerealinjection.com  Sun Apr 22 21:31:41 2007
From: fati at venerealinjection.com (Fati)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:31:41 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] How can I set up a process initiated by another user to
	execute as my user ID?
In-Reply-To: <4623A194.2080502@hotpop.com>
References: <20070416.082436.2325.2811547@webmail23.lax.untd.com>
	<4623A194.2080502@hotpop.com>
Message-ID: <6f64e9540704221831u4743adb4p3466611cf0da59b2@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/16/07, Aaron Kulkis <akulkis3 at hotpop.com> wrote:
> gib at juno.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > How can I set up a process initiated by another user to execute as my
> > user ID?
> >
> > I have a process that logs into an ftp server with my user ID and my
> > password but I don't want to provide my password to someone else.  How
> > can I allow someone else to execute this process?
> >
>
> I'm assuming that it's compiled code, and not a shell script.
>
> If so, just make sure that YOU are the owner of the executable,
> and then use chmod to set the "set User ID" (setuid) bit.
>
> chmod 1755 executable_file
>
>
>
>
> > Alternatively, can I set up a process that will be able to read the
> > password from a secure location without the user seeing it?
> Yes, same way.
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug
>

4751 might be even better.  If the world has read permissions on the
binary, they may be able to find it as easily as running strings on
the binary.  In either case hard coding it period, even with a
debugger can still be found with a bit of persistance and gdb.  The
best compromise would probably be to make the program 700 and runnable
only as root with sudo.  In this way you could prevent anyone from
executing it with gdb or examining the binary for strings.

-- 
Fati
"I don't know what weapons World War Three will be fought with, but
World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones."  - Albert
Einstein


From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Mon Apr 23 08:30:20 2007
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:30:20 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
In-Reply-To: <32898.216.144.215.245.1177243861.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
Message-ID: <C2521F1C.32521%GregWojtak@quickenloans.com>

Moreover, Web 2.0 refers to the increasing number of sites that are using
more DHTML and AJAX to make the website less of a "wizard" type of feel (do
one step, click to submit that information and move on to the next step) to
a more interactive feel.  Kind of like running an application but inside of
a web browser.  Check out http://script.aculo.us for a very popular Web 2.0
javascript library.  It's got some pretty cool stuff in it.

Greg


On 4/22/07 8:11 AM, "Carl T. Miller" <millerc at cantonpl.org> wrote:

> William Fisher wrote:
>> I've been hearing a lot about Web 2.0 lately.  Do any of you know if
>> this has anything to do with IPv6?  I'm just wondering if everything I'm
>> learning about TCP/IP is going to be obsolete.
> 
> I've heard that Web 2.0 is about interactive websites such
> as wikipedia.  The idea is that the first web was about
> websites with static data, and that with Web 2.0 anybody
> can be involved with adding content.
> 
> c
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


From micorral at comcast.net  Mon Apr 23 10:21:07 2007
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:21:07 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704231014040.3776@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>

Wojtak, Greg a ecrit:
> Kind of like running an application but inside of
> a web browser.

Oh, you mean like how Java has been able to do for the
last 10+ years? How quaint. :)

Michael


From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Mon Apr 23 10:25:10 2007
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:25:10 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704231014040.3776@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
Message-ID: <C2523A06.32622%GregWojtak@quickenloans.com>

Yeah, except it doesn't take a half hour to load and run.  But yeah, it's
been around for a long time now and has just been given the AJAX
buzzword-moniker.  Station.

Greg


On 4/23/07 10:21 AM, "Michael Corral" <micorral at comcast.net> wrote:

> Wojtak, Greg a ecrit:
>> Kind of like running an application but inside of
>> a web browser.
> 
> Oh, you mean like how Java has been able to do for the
> last 10+ years? How quaint. :)
> 
> Michael
> _______________________________________________
> mdlug mailing list
> mdlug at mdlug.org
> http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


From wolfger at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 12:51:04 2007
From: wolfger at gmail.com (Wolfger)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:51:04 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Penguins, start your engines!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704161619350.2304@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
References: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704161619350.2304@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
Message-ID: <3b00b3330704230951k5f831cd9xd2a8ec36da765bbb@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/16/07, Michael Corral <micorral at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Instead of just promoting "Linux", they should be promoting the most
> user-friendly distro that "just works" on the desktop for grandma.
> So let's start an "Ubuntu Linux" Indy 500 sponsorship drive!

No way. Everybody knows the fastest penguin/distro/car is a Gentoo! :-D
Seriously, keep it generic and get more donations. If we focus on a
distro, there will be distro wars, resulting in fewer donations and
competing projects, and we may wind up with 2, 3, or 12 competing
distro racecars, none of which get sufficiently funded.

-- 
Wolfger
http://wolfger.wordpress.com/
http://1fjordaroad.wordpress.com/
AOL IM: wolf4coyot
Yahoo!Messenger: wolfgersilberbaer
Skype: wolfger88


From wolfger at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 12:56:25 2007
From: wolfger at gmail.com (Wolfger)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:56:25 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704231014040.3776@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
References: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704231014040.3776@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
Message-ID: <3b00b3330704230956j5aaae58fg44fb08b36680136d@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/23/07, Michael Corral <micorral at comcast.net> wrote:
> Wojtak, Greg a ecrit:
> > Kind of like running an application but inside of
> > a web browser.
>
> Oh, you mean like how Java has been able to do for the
> last 10+ years?

No. Much better. :-)

-- 
Wolfger
http://wolfger.wordpress.com/
http://1fjordaroad.wordpress.com/
AOL IM: wolf4coyot
Yahoo!Messenger: wolfgersilberbaer
Skype: wolfger88


From micorral at comcast.net  Mon Apr 23 13:57:51 2007
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:57:51 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704231349380.3776@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>

Wojtak, Greg a ecrit:
> Yeah, except it doesn't take a half hour to load and run.  But yeah,
> it's been around for a long time now and has just been given the AJAX
> buzzword-moniker.

Yeah, back in the Java 1.1 days applets were indeed not so great.
But nowadays, on modern machines, they're much better. Definitely
better than the webapps that use AJAX (i.e. DHTML + JavaScript).
With all the problems that JavaScript has (to the point where
many people just disable it in their browser), I just don't see
AJAX as a viable option. The AJAX apps I've seen are horrible.
Web 2.0 in general is just a bunch of hype about nothing.

Michael


From rrcb21 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 23 18:05:26 2007
From: rrcb21 at yahoo.com (Ron Blanchett)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:05:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [mdlug] MonroeLUG April Meeting Announcement
Message-ID: <855193.60399.qm@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


=====MonroeLUG March Meeting Announcement=====

Topic: ?????
Date & Time: Tuesday April 23, 2007 6:00PM - 9:00PM
Place: Monroe County Community College La-Z-Boy Center Room Z-203 (Board Room)
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=1555+S.Raisinville+Rd.+monroe+mi+48161


Well hopefully from the above text you can see that MonroeLUG has
moved its meetings to a new night and a brand new meeting location.
We recently worked out a deal with Monroe County Community College
for meeting space and part of that deal was an agreement to move our
meetings to a night of the week that was easy for them to assure the room
we will be using is open and unlocked. That night being Tuesday.

With Penguicon having been just this past weekend and several of our members
having worked that convention we do not have a topic for this meeting.
If someone would like to volunteer to give the presentation
at the upcoming meetings please get in contact with me ASAP. Otherwise this
months meeting will be used for checking out our new location, planing future
meetings, working on recruitment, and general discussion; we might still be able
to get some of this done even if someone comes forth to volunteer to present.

Keep in mind that from month to month our meeting room may change so always
make sure to look at the announcement for what room we are going to be in. I have
been assured that all of the rooms have projectors, and a wireless network is available.

I look forward to seeing everyone at the meeting on Tuesday, for the mean time have a
save and happy week.

-Ron
MonroeLUG President






From as4109 at wayne.edu  Mon Apr 23 19:26:09 2007
From: as4109 at wayne.edu (David Lee Lambert)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:26:09 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] How can I set up a process initiated by another user	to
	execute as my user ID?
In-Reply-To: <6f64e9540704221831u4743adb4p3466611cf0da59b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070416.082436.2325.2811547@webmail23.lax.untd.com>
	<4623A194.2080502@hotpop.com>
	<6f64e9540704221831u4743adb4p3466611cf0da59b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1177370769.9537.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sun, 2007-04-22 at 21:31 -0400, Fati wrote:
> On 4/16/07, Aaron Kulkis <akulkis3 at hotpop.com> wrote:
> > gib at juno.com wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > How can I set up a process initiated by another user to execute as my
> > > user ID?
> > >
> > > I have a process that logs into an ftp server with my user ID and my
> > > password but I don't want to provide my password to someone else.  How
> > > can I allow someone else to execute this process?
> > >
> >
> > I'm assuming that it's compiled code, and not a shell script.
> >
> > If so, just make sure that YOU are the owner of the executable,
> > and then use chmod to set the "set User ID" (setuid) bit. [...]

> > > Alternatively, can I set up a process that will be able to read the
> > > password from a secure location without the user seeing it?
> > Yes, same way.

> 4751 might be even better.  If the world has read permissions on the
> binary, they may be able to find it as easily as running strings on
> the binary.  In either case hard coding it period, even with a

You don'd have to put the password in the binary:

#include <stdio.h>
#include <unistd.h>
#include "my_id_constants.h"

int main()
{
  if (TARGET_UID != geteuid()) {
    fprintf(stderr,"This program must be setuid %d to function properly
\n", TARGET_UID);
    exit(1); }

  FILE *f = fopen("/path/to/some/file","r"); /* a mode-600 file */
  char password[9]; password[0]=0;
  fscanf(f,"pass=%8[!-~]",password); 
  FILE *p = fopen("/path/to/safe/sock/to/ftp/process","w");
  fprintf(p,"%s\n",password);
  /* the C standard says no return-value means 0 */
}




From wolfger at gmail.com  Tue Apr 24 10:07:23 2007
From: wolfger at gmail.com (Wolfger)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:07:23 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704231349380.3776@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
References: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704231349380.3776@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
Message-ID: <3b00b3330704240707xe8ba6c7me123d9e43378487f@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/23/07, Michael Corral <micorral at comcast.net> wrote:

> Yeah, back in the Java 1.1 days applets were indeed not so great.
> But nowadays, on modern machines, they're much better. Definitely
> better than the webapps that use AJAX (i.e. DHTML + JavaScript).
> With all the problems that JavaScript has (to the point where
> many people just disable it in their browser), I just don't see
> AJAX as a viable option. The AJAX apps I've seen are horrible.

I think a couple million (?) Gmail users disagree with you. But you
are entitiled to your opinion. Personally, I use Firefox to limit what
Javascript can do, but I leave it enabled. Now I'm not sure of your
definition of "many", but I guarantee that MOST people do not disable
Javascript.

> Web 2.0 in general is just a bunch of hype about nothing.

Now that I agree with. But AJAX apps (done well) are teh sweet.

-- 
Wolfger
http://wolfger.wordpress.com/
http://1fjordaroad.wordpress.com/
AOL IM: wolf4coyot
Yahoo!Messenger: wolfgersilberbaer
Skype: wolfger88


From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Tue Apr 24 10:18:38 2007
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:18:38 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
In-Reply-To: <3b00b3330704240707xe8ba6c7me123d9e43378487f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C25389FE.328D6%GregWojtak@quickenloans.com>

My favourite example:  http://www.meebo.com

It is a site that allows you to connect to many different IM services over
the web.  Pretty sweet.


On 4/24/07 10:07 AM, "Wolfger" <wolfger at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 4/23/07, Michael Corral <micorral at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> Yeah, back in the Java 1.1 days applets were indeed not so great.
>> But nowadays, on modern machines, they're much better. Definitely
>> better than the webapps that use AJAX (i.e. DHTML + JavaScript).
>> With all the problems that JavaScript has (to the point where
>> many people just disable it in their browser), I just don't see
>> AJAX as a viable option. The AJAX apps I've seen are horrible.
> 
> I think a couple million (?) Gmail users disagree with you. But you
> are entitiled to your opinion. Personally, I use Firefox to limit what
> Javascript can do, but I leave it enabled. Now I'm not sure of your
> definition of "many", but I guarantee that MOST people do not disable
> Javascript.
> 
>> Web 2.0 in general is just a bunch of hype about nothing.
> 
> Now that I agree with. But AJAX apps (done well) are teh sweet.


From akulkis3 at hotpop.com  Tue Apr 24 12:14:14 2007
From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:14:14 +0400
Subject: [mdlug] Penguin Pete's Blog - Tux500 scam - news and links history
Message-ID: <462E2CD6.7060703@hotpop.com>

Subject says it all.

<http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=tux500_news_history&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1>




From tesral at comcast.net  Tue Apr 24 21:12:24 2007
From: tesral at comcast.net (Garry Stahl)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:12:24 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] The giant stumbles
Message-ID: <462EAAF8.8010809@comcast.net>

http://news.com.com/Dell+brings+back+XP+on+home+systems/2100-1046_3-6177619.html

-- 
Garry  AKA  --Phoenix--  Rising above the Flames.

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
The Olde Phoenix Inn Http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com



From bobdion at starline-ent.com  Wed Apr 25 07:17:38 2007
From: bobdion at starline-ent.com (bob dion)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:17:38 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] The giant stumbles
In-Reply-To: <462EAAF8.8010809@comcast.net>
References: <462EAAF8.8010809@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <462F38D2.6070500@starline-ent.com>

Garry Stahl wrote:
> http://news.com.com/Dell+brings+back+XP+on+home+systems/2100-1046_3-6177619.html
> 

I found it interesting is past weekend a couple of friends of mine, on 
two separate occasions, who are not anti MS,  made negative comments to 
me about Vista. One was livid that she could not by a PC without it.

Needless to say, I emailed here this link.

BD


From eaglecoach at wwnet.com  Wed Apr 25 22:26:02 2007
From: eaglecoach at wwnet.com (Robert Meier)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:26:02 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [(DIS)RECOMMENDATIONS] used/new laptop
Message-ID: <200704260226.l3Q2Q2qF032727@freehold.wwnet.com>

Portables,

My Dell Latitude laptop broke this weekend.
The 3mm square posts and hinge that attached the display to the console
broke at the screw holes.
Though I will attempt to chemically reweld the posts,
I am not confident of success.

I am looking for (dis)recommendations for a used (or new) laptop.

My principle uses include (most-frequent -> least frequent):
   o portable development environment (e.g. text editting)
   o portable training environment (e.g. java sandbox, flight simulator)
   o presentations (via local web server)
   o portable data entry (e.g. PS/2 barcode scanning)
   o sound recording
   o household appliance programming/control

At this time, my priniciple desired features include (most to least important):
   o long battery life (> 2hr)
     o inexpensive (non-proprietary) battery type
   o coaxial power supply plug (to use cheap power supplies at common sites)
     o ideally 12V for car use
   o robust
   o many output options (e.g. SVGA, TV)
   o mid to hi-fi sound input/output
   o support for wireless (either builtin or cardbus)
   o parallel port/serial port (preferably builtin)
   o usb-2.0

Any suggestions for manufacturers/models and/or features to seek or avoid
are appreciated.

TIA,
-- 
Dr. Robert J. Meier


From peter at petertheplumber.net  Thu Apr 26 05:14:42 2007
From: peter at petertheplumber.net (Peter Bart)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 05:14:42 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] [(DIS)RECOMMENDATIONS] used/new laptop
In-Reply-To: <200704260226.l3Q2Q2qF032727@freehold.wwnet.com>
References: <200704260226.l3Q2Q2qF032727@freehold.wwnet.com>
Message-ID: <1177578883.19936.16.camel@plumber.site>

On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 22:26 -0400, Robert Meier wrote:
> Portables,
> 
> My Dell Latitude laptop broke this weekend.
> The 3mm square posts and hinge that attached the display to the console
> broke at the screw holes.
> Though I will attempt to chemically reweld the posts,
> I am not confident of success.
> 
> I am looking for (dis)recommendations for a used (or new) laptop.
> 
> My principle uses include (most-frequent -> least frequent):
>    o portable development environment (e.g. text editting)
>    o portable training environment (e.g. java sandbox, flight simulator)
>    o presentations (via local web server)
>    o portable data entry (e.g. PS/2 barcode scanning)
>    o sound recording
>    o household appliance programming/control
> 
> At this time, my priniciple desired features include (most to least important):
>    o long battery life (> 2hr)
>      o inexpensive (non-proprietary) battery type
>    o coaxial power supply plug (to use cheap power supplies at common sites)
>      o ideally 12V for car use
>    o robust
>    o many output options (e.g. SVGA, TV)
>    o mid to hi-fi sound input/output
>    o support for wireless (either builtin or cardbus)
>    o parallel port/serial port (preferably builtin)
>    o usb-2.0
> 
> Any suggestions for manufacturers/models and/or features to seek or avoid
> are appreciated.
> 
> TIA,

Dr. Meier,
	Either a Lenovo T60p
<http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/notebooks/thinkpad/t-series/workstation.html?re=home_Innov_us>, or something from <http://itxchange.com/ITXchange/>. I've bought a fair amount of stuff from the latter. Never a problem.
	The red plane is still flying, the glider was sacrificed for it's
servo's and receiver.

Regards,
-- 
Peter Bart <peter at petertheplumber.net>
http://petertheplumber.net



From tmorris at ugs.com  Thu Apr 26 09:40:41 2007
From: tmorris at ugs.com (Morris, Tim)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:40:41 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] [(DIS)RECOMMENDATIONS] used/new laptop
In-Reply-To: <200704260226.l3Q2Q2qF032727@freehold.wwnet.com>
Message-ID: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2029AF149@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>

I love my Dell D810... 
* Nice keyboard/touchpad layout (or I'm used to it :)
* Good battery lif (2.5 hours with a new battery)
* Plays World of Warcraft very well (even windowed!)
!! Dells do seem a bit cheaper on some components. IBMs last longer.
!! Battery is proprietary (aren't all laptop batteries?)
!! PSU actually has an ID signal, telling the D810 if it's a supported
model. If it's not, it will NOT charge the battery.   	Found that out
the hard way with my UN-supported 12v adapter.
* I believe it has S-Video/Composite & S/PDIF out using a dongle.
* USB 2.0
* Serial port
!! No PS/2 ports (except on dock)
!! No parallel port. (except on dock)
* DVI-D port on dock (not on laptop)

That probably doesn't help you, but at least you know NOT to buy one if
those features are really important to you!

I also like my IBM A31p, but it's not with me at the moment so I can't
tell you what ports it has/doesn't have. I do know it is NOT usb 2.0
however.

I have a slew of other Dell <400MHz laptops also, but you don't want any
of those... Trust me.

--  Tim Morris - UGS

-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf
Of Robert Meier
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:26 PM
To: mdlug at mdlug.org
Subject: [mdlug] [(DIS)RECOMMENDATIONS] used/new laptop

Portables,

My Dell Latitude laptop broke this weekend.
The 3mm square posts and hinge that attached the display to the console
broke at the screw holes.
Though I will attempt to chemically reweld the posts, I am not confident
of success.

I am looking for (dis)recommendations for a used (or new) laptop.

My principle uses include (most-frequent -> least frequent):
   o portable development environment (e.g. text editting)
   o portable training environment (e.g. java sandbox, flight simulator)
   o presentations (via local web server)
   o portable data entry (e.g. PS/2 barcode scanning)
   o sound recording
   o household appliance programming/control

At this time, my priniciple desired features include (most to least
important):
   o long battery life (> 2hr)
     o inexpensive (non-proprietary) battery type
   o coaxial power supply plug (to use cheap power supplies at common
sites)
     o ideally 12V for car use
   o robust
   o many output options (e.g. SVGA, TV)
   o mid to hi-fi sound input/output
   o support for wireless (either builtin or cardbus)
   o parallel port/serial port (preferably builtin)
   o usb-2.0

Any suggestions for manufacturers/models and/or features to seek or
avoid are appreciated.

TIA,
--
Dr. Robert J. Meier
_______________________________________________
mdlug mailing list
mdlug at mdlug.org
http://mdlug.org/mailman/listinfo/mdlug


From tmorris at ugs.com  Thu Apr 26 10:06:04 2007
From: tmorris at ugs.com (Morris, Tim)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:06:04 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Transfer Calculator
In-Reply-To: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2029AF149@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>
Message-ID: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2029AF197@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>

Here's a little something I hacked together a little while ago. I
thought some of you might find it useful.

It almost qualifies for WEB 2.0 ... But not really. :)

http://timspage.kicks-ass.net/Misc/TransferCalculator/

I didn't actually write it from scratch, I used the SG Bits/Bytes
converter as a base. http://www.speedguide.net/conversion.php



From GregWojtak at quickenloans.com  Thu Apr 26 10:07:57 2007
From: GregWojtak at quickenloans.com (Wojtak, Greg)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 10:07:57 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Transfer Calculator
In-Reply-To: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2029AF197@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>
Message-ID: <C2562A7D.32EA8%GregWojtak@quickenloans.com>

*Wipes a single tear from his eye.*

It's beautiful.  Must be Web 1.6. ;)


On 4/26/07 10:06 AM, "Morris, Tim" <tmorris at ugs.com> wrote:

> Here's a little something I hacked together a little while ago. I
> thought some of you might find it useful.
> 
> It almost qualifies for WEB 2.0 ... But not really. :)
> 
> http://timspage.kicks-ass.net/Misc/TransferCalculator/
> 
> I didn't actually write it from scratch, I used the SG Bits/Bytes
> converter as a base. http://www.speedguide.net/conversion.php
> 
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From billings at negate.org  Fri Apr 27 07:17:33 2007
From: billings at negate.org (Jonathan Billings)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 07:17:33 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Transfer Calculator
In-Reply-To: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2029AF197@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>
References: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2029AF197@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>
Message-ID: <4631DBCD.4080703@negate.org>

Morris, Tim wrote:
> Here's a little something I hacked together a little while ago. I
> thought some of you might find it useful.
> 
> It almost qualifies for WEB 2.0 ... But not really. :)
> 
> http://timspage.kicks-ass.net/Misc/TransferCalculator/
> 
> I didn't actually write it from scratch, I used the SG Bits/Bytes
> converter as a base. http://www.speedguide.net/conversion.php

While it is a very cool web app, I don't think it counts as Web 2.0, 
because it lacks a server component.  Typically, you see things like 
AJAX in the browser and XML-RPC requests between server logic and 
browser logic.

-- 
Jonathan Billings <billings at negate.org>


From micorral at comcast.net  Fri Apr 27 11:06:08 2007
From: micorral at comcast.net (Michael Corral)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:06:08 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704271050510.3816@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>

Wolfger a ecrit:
> On 4/23/07, Michael Corral wrote:
>> With all the problems that JavaScript has (to the point where
>> many people just disable it in their browser), I just don't see
>> AJAX as a viable option. The AJAX apps I've seen are horrible.
>
> I think a couple million (?) Gmail users disagree with you.

I think a lot of Gmail users have not been happy lately.
There have been a number of problems with Google AJAX apps
recently, including Gmail:
<http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/042607-google-frantic-about-personalized-home.html>

Michael


From billings at negate.org  Fri Apr 27 11:13:34 2007
From: billings at negate.org (Jonathan Billings)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:13:34 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Web 2.0
In-Reply-To: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704271050510.3816@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
References: <Pine.WNT.4.64.0704271050510.3816@w2zzzp0601.amer.corp.eds.com>
Message-ID: <4632131E.9010502@negate.org>

Michael Corral wrote:
> Wolfger a ecrit:
>> On 4/23/07, Michael Corral wrote:
>>> With all the problems that JavaScript has (to the point where
>>> many people just disable it in their browser), I just don't see
>>> AJAX as a viable option. The AJAX apps I've seen are horrible.
>> I think a couple million (?) Gmail users disagree with you.
> 
> I think a lot of Gmail users have not been happy lately.
> There have been a number of problems with Google AJAX apps
> recently, including Gmail:
> <http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/042607-google-frantic-about-personalized-home.html>

If anything, this is a sign that Google users *want* more AJAX, since 
the problem is that people are encountering bugs with the storage of 
customizations they make to their home page.  If they didn't want it, 
they wouldn't be adding RSS feeds, gadgets and other knobs to their 
customized home page.

Certainly, it is frustrating when the usual fluid interface you get with 
the google home page is broken or reverted to a previous version, but I 
wouldn't take that as a vote against AJAX apps.

-- 
Jonathan Billings <billings at negate.org>


From akulkis3 at hotpop.com  Fri Apr 27 11:27:13 2007
From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:27:13 +0400
Subject: [mdlug] Transfer Calculator
In-Reply-To: <4631DBCD.4080703@negate.org>
References: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2029AF197@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>
	<4631DBCD.4080703@negate.org>
Message-ID: <46321651.4030201@hotpop.com>

Jonathan Billings wrote:
> Morris, Tim wrote:
>> Here's a little something I hacked together a little while ago. I
>> thought some of you might find it useful.
>>
>> It almost qualifies for WEB 2.0 ... But not really. :)
>>
>> http://timspage.kicks-ass.net/Misc/TransferCalculator/
>>
>> I didn't actually write it from scratch, I used the SG Bits/Bytes
>> converter as a base. http://www.speedguide.net/conversion.php
> 
> While it is a very cool web app, I don't think it counts as Web 2.0,

But who cares?

Web 2.0 is NOT a standard, it's just a media buzz-word.

It reminds me of two guys I once overheard debating what
they considered to be the finer points of some Dungeons
& Dragons house-rule... on the grounds of "realism".

ARGH!

Just as D&D is not real, likewise, there is no standard
called "Web 2.0"

Buying into the lingo of propagandizers only empowers them,
and rarely for your benefit.



> because it lacks a server component.  Typically, you see things like 
> AJAX in the browser and XML-RPC requests between server logic and 
> browser logic.






From billings at negate.org  Fri Apr 27 11:59:01 2007
From: billings at negate.org (Jonathan Billings)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:59:01 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Transfer Calculator
In-Reply-To: <46321651.4030201@hotpop.com>
References: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2029AF197@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>	<4631DBCD.4080703@negate.org>
	<46321651.4030201@hotpop.com>
Message-ID: <46321DC5.2090604@negate.org>

Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> Jonathan Billings wrote:
>> While it is a very cool web app, I don't think it counts as Web 2.0,
> 
> But who cares?
> 
> Web 2.0 is NOT a standard, it's just a media buzz-word.

Web 2.0 is a pretty vague term, I agree.  However, Asynchronous 
Javascript and XML (AJAX) is well-defined, as is the other protocols it 
is layered on.

> Buying into the lingo of propagandizers only empowers them,
> and rarely for your benefit.

Maybe I'm not the right target audience, however, I haven't found anyone 
trying to abuse some sort of business relationship with me using the 
term Web 2.0.  I probably don't read the right trade magazines.  Its 
like the term, "The Internet Superhighway".  It's not really like a 
highway, but you keep hearing it used by people who don't know better, 
or who *should* know better.  (And it is really a series of tubes 
anyway... :)

Should you care about the technology referred to with the term "Web 
2.0"?  I think so.

-- 
Jonathan Billings <billings at negate.org>


From akulkis3 at hotpop.com  Fri Apr 27 12:07:36 2007
From: akulkis3 at hotpop.com (Aaron Kulkis)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:07:36 +0400
Subject: [mdlug] Transfer Calculator
In-Reply-To: <46321DC5.2090604@negate.org>
References: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2029AF197@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>	<4631DBCD.4080703@negate.org>	<46321651.4030201@hotpop.com>
	<46321DC5.2090604@negate.org>
Message-ID: <46321FC8.9050101@hotpop.com>

Jonathan Billings wrote:
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>> Jonathan Billings wrote:
>>> While it is a very cool web app, I don't think it counts as Web 2.0,
>> But who cares?
>>
>> Web 2.0 is NOT a standard, it's just a media buzz-word.
> 
> Web 2.0 is a pretty vague term, I agree.  However, Asynchronous 
> Javascript and XML (AJAX) is well-defined, as is the other protocols it 
> is layered on.
> 
>> Buying into the lingo of propagandizers only empowers them,
>> and rarely for your benefit.
> 
> Maybe I'm not the right target audience, however, I haven't found anyone 
> trying to abuse some sort of business relationship with me using the 
> term Web 2.0.  I probably don't read the right trade magazines.  Its 
> like the term, "The Internet Superhighway".  It's not really like a 

Fuzzy terms for fuzzy-headed people, I always say.

> highway, but you keep hearing it used by people who don't know better, 
> or who *should* know better.  (And it is really a series of tubes 
> anyway... :)
> 
> Should you care about the technology referred to with the term "Web 
> 2.0"?  I think so.
> 





From tmorris at ugs.com  Fri Apr 27 16:16:29 2007
From: tmorris at ugs.com (Morris, Tim)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:16:29 -0500
Subject: [mdlug] Transfer Calculator
In-Reply-To: <46321FC8.9050101@hotpop.com>
Message-ID: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2029AF99B@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>

The funny thing is, I never actually said it _was_ web 2.0..

I said it was _like_ 2.0, "but not really"... As was said, there is no
server component, and therefore or Async Js, and therefore no AJAX. 

I thought the Web 2.0 argument was a different thread... That'll teach
me!

But hey! If you enjoy the calculator, then great!

--  Tim Morris - UGS

-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org [mailto:mdlug-bounces at mdlug.org] On Behalf
Of Aaron Kulkis
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:08 PM
To: MDLUG's Main discussion list
Subject: Re: [mdlug] Transfer Calculator

Jonathan Billings wrote:
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>> Jonathan Billings wrote:
>>> While it is a very cool web app, I don't think it counts as Web 2.0,
>> But who cares?
>>
>> Web 2.0 is NOT a standard, it's just a media buzz-word.
> 
> Web 2.0 is a pretty vague term, I agree.  However, Asynchronous 
> Javascript and XML (AJAX) is well-defined, as is the other protocols 
> it is layered on.
> 
>> Buying into the lingo of propagandizers only empowers them, and 
>> rarely for your benefit.
> 
> Maybe I'm not the right target audience, however, I haven't found 
> anyone trying to abuse some sort of business relationship with me 
> using the term Web 2.0.  I probably don't read the right trade 
> magazines.  Its like the term, "The Internet Superhighway".  It's not 
> really like a

Fuzzy terms for fuzzy-headed people, I always say.

> highway, but you keep hearing it used by people who don't know better,

> or who *should* know better.  (And it is really a series of tubes 
> anyway... :)
> 
> Should you care about the technology referred to with the term "Web 
> 2.0"?  I think so.
> 



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From eaglecoach at wwnet.com  Fri Apr 27 09:19:00 2007
From: eaglecoach at wwnet.com (Robert Meier)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:19:00 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] MDLUG usage reminder
Message-ID: <4631F844.mail8LU11G0B4@freehold.wwnet.com>

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From millerc at cantonpl.org  Fri Apr 27 16:59:12 2007
From: millerc at cantonpl.org (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:59:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] Transfer Calculator
In-Reply-To: <B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2029AF99B@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>
References: <46321FC8.9050101@hotpop.com>
	<B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2029AF99B@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>
Message-ID: <32898.216.144.215.245.1177707552.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>

Morris, Tim wrote:
> But hey! If you enjoy the calculator, then great!

Yes, actually I was wondering if you'd mind sharing the code.
I'm guessing that it's all done in php.

c




From millerc at cantonpl.org  Fri Apr 27 17:13:55 2007
From: millerc at cantonpl.org (Carl T. Miller)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:13:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [mdlug] [(DIS)RECOMMENDATIONS] used/new laptop
In-Reply-To: <200704260226.l3Q2Q2qF032727@freehold.wwnet.com>
References: <200704260226.l3Q2Q2qF032727@freehold.wwnet.com>
Message-ID: <33096.216.144.215.245.1177708435.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>

Robert Meier wrote:
> I am looking for (dis)recommendations for a used (or new) laptop.
>
> My principle uses include (most-frequent -> least frequent):
>    o portable development environment (e.g. text editting)
>    o portable training environment (e.g. java sandbox, flight simulator)
>    o presentations (via local web server)
>    o portable data entry (e.g. PS/2 barcode scanning)
>    o sound recording
>    o household appliance programming/control
>
> At this time, my priniciple desired features include (most to least
> important):
>    o long battery life (> 2hr)
>      o inexpensive (non-proprietary) battery type
>    o coaxial power supply plug (to use cheap power supplies at common
> sites)
>      o ideally 12V for car use
>    o robust
>    o many output options (e.g. SVGA, TV)
>    o mid to hi-fi sound input/output
>    o support for wireless (either builtin or cardbus)
>    o parallel port/serial port (preferably builtin)
>    o usb-2.0

Dr. Bob, the last time I needed to buy a laptop I spec'ed out
one from Dell that I liked.  I compared it to other ones, and
Best Buys' online website had a deal on an Averatec with a rebate.
The Averatec didn't come with Dell's name or warranty, but it
was 1/3 the price of the Dell model.  I remembered thinking it
was worth the gamble, because I could buy two of these if I
had to and still come out ahead.  That was two years ago and
I've had no problems.

Other than more memory and a faster hard drive, I haven't
needed to get replacement parts--so I can't vouch for how
easy it is to get parts.  The 6200 series plays DVDs and
has svideo out, but no parallel or serial ports.  I'm not
sure what features are currently built in on current models,
but it would be worth looking at what they have to offer.

c




From billings at negate.org  Fri Apr 27 17:57:53 2007
From: billings at negate.org (Jonathan Billings)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:57:53 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] Transfer Calculator
In-Reply-To: <32898.216.144.215.245.1177707552.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
References: <46321FC8.9050101@hotpop.com>	<B5AF964E8C85CB49884C8B076A1580E2029AF99B@USSLMPLM004.net.plm.eds.com>
	<32898.216.144.215.245.1177707552.squirrel@mail.cantonpl.org>
Message-ID: <463271E1.6020704@negate.org>

Carl T. Miller wrote:
> Morris, Tim wrote:
>> But hey! If you enjoy the calculator, then great!
> 
> Yes, actually I was wondering if you'd mind sharing the code.
> I'm guessing that it's all done in php.

Since it's just javascript, just view the source.  There is no server 
component.

-- 
Jonathan Billings <billings at negate.org>


From gib at juno.com  Sat Apr 28 12:24:09 2007
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:24:09 GMT
Subject: [mdlug] Transfer Calculator
Message-ID: <20070428.092410.725.1195221@webmail18.lax.untd.com>

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From rkannan at peoplepc.com  Sun Apr 29 02:42:24 2007
From: rkannan at peoplepc.com (R Kannan)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 02:42:24 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] k3b keeps appending to DVD-RW
Message-ID: <1177828944.16135.6.camel@hppavilion.kannanhome>

Hi,

When I try to write on to DVD-RW in K3b, it keeps adding to the tracks
(adding to te existing data) When I try to erase the data on the DVD by
"Tools->Format DVD+-RW", it says there is no need to erase. Is there a
setting that I need to change? Am I missing something obvious?

TIA for any advice.
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From eaglecoach at wwnet.com  Mon Apr 30 01:14:07 2007
From: eaglecoach at wwnet.com (Robert Meier)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 01:14:07 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] k3b keeps appending to DVD-RW
In-Reply-To: <1177828944.16135.6.camel@hppavilion.kannanhome> (message from R
	Kannan on Sun, 29 Apr 2007 02:42:24 -0400)
References: <1177828944.16135.6.camel@hppavilion.kannanhome>
Message-ID: <200704300514.l3U5E7nq028614@freehold.wwnet.com>

R,

> When I try to write on to DVD-RW in K3b, it keeps adding to the tracks
> (adding to te existing data) When I try to erase the data on the DVD by
> "Tools->Format DVD+-RW", it says there is no need to erase.

> Is there a setting that I need to change?
> Am I missing something obvious?

I suspect you are unaware that nearly all CD/DVD writer hardware,
writes TAO (track at once).  The inexpensive writers depend on
steady mechanical rotation and precisely timed laser modulation.
Once the mechanical rotation begins, it cannot be stopped or
even slowed significantly.

Consequently, tools like k3b (and underlying cdrecord) queue
files for later writing.  When you drag and drop files on the "tracks"
in k3b they are added to the queue.  Later when you select
"burn ... to CD/DVD" the queue is executed.  Since the format is
laid down with the data, there is no need to separately erase.

Hopefully helpful,
-- 
Dr. Robert J. Meier


From rkannan at peoplepc.com  Mon Apr 30 09:38:20 2007
From: rkannan at peoplepc.com (R Kannan)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:38:20 -0400
Subject: [mdlug] k3b keeps appending to DVD-RW
In-Reply-To: <200704300514.l3U5E7nq028614@freehold.wwnet.com>
References: <1177828944.16135.6.camel@hppavilion.kannanhome>
	<200704300514.l3U5E7nq028614@freehold.wwnet.com>
Message-ID: <1177940300.20512.17.camel@hppavilion.kannanhome>

Dr. Meijer,

Thanks for taking the time to help.

But I think you misunderstood my question. I was not talking about
adding or removing files from a DVD project.

I was trying to erase the contents of a DVD-RW by using "Tools->Format
DVD-RW". When I try that it says the following

Checking media
Found DVD-RW media
No need to format DVD-RW media more than once.
It may simply be overwritten

But when I go to burn the DVD, it adds the new files to the existing
files in the DVD-RW without 'overwriting' them. How do I make it
overwrite the DVD-RW.

TIA for your help.

On Mon, 2007-04-30 at 01:14, Robert Meier wrote:

> R,
> 
> > When I try to write on to DVD-RW in K3b, it keeps adding to the tracks
> > (adding to te existing data) When I try to erase the data on the DVD by
> > "Tools->Format DVD+-RW", it says there is no need to erase.
> 
> > Is there a setting that I need to change?
> > Am I missing something obvious?
> 
> I suspect you are unaware that nearly all CD/DVD writer hardware,
> writes TAO (track at once).  The inexpensive writers depend on
> steady mechanical rotation and precisely timed laser modulation.
> Once the mechanical rotation begins, it cannot be stopped or
> even slowed significantly.
> 
> Consequently, tools like k3b (and underlying cdrecord) queue
> files for later writing.  When you drag and drop files on the "tracks"
> in k3b they are added to the queue.  Later when you select
> "burn ... to CD/DVD" the queue is executed.  Since the format is
> laid down with the data, there is no need to separately erase.
> 
> Hopefully helpful,
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