From smittysmit at ameritech.net  Mon Oct  1 19:53:39 2007
From: smittysmit at ameritech.net (Michael A. Smith)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 19:53:39 -0400
Subject: [mdlug-newbie] Looking for assistance - we want to help
In-Reply-To: <20070909.185233.1876.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <EEEKKNNNBKNBLEJGBFCGGEAOCDAA.smittysmit@ameritech.net>

All:
	I hope to be there this month but work travel might put a damper on it.  If
it happens, I will bring my laptop in with the hopes of getting sound
drivers loaded (Toshiba).  Do you have wireless access there to test as
well?  I have many other questions but hope to be a regular to pick up a
wealth of info.

On a separate note, is it in the realm of possibility that Creative might
open the rights to ALSA for the X-FI series of cards?  I have read on the
web that "it will never happen" as well as "it might happen".

-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-newbie-bounces at mdlug.org
[mailto:mdlug-newbie-bounces at mdlug.org]On Behalf Of gib at juno.com
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 18:53
To: mdlug-newbie at mdlug.org
Cc: mdlug-newbie at mdlug.org
Subject: [mdlug-newbie] Looking for assistance - we want to help


Welcome to the Metro Detroit Linux User Group. We just had an install fest
near you (Inkster Road Just North of Michigan Ave). We will have meetings
every month on the second Saturday.  We'd love to help you get away from
your foolish addiction to Windows.  We'll give you free bootable CDs with
Linux and help you with problems.

Another group that many of us belong to is Mug (http://www.mug.org).  The
meeting for this group is the second Tuesday (hey, that's in just a few
days).  We typically have more formal presentations.  Someone may be willing
to help you there as well.

Hope to see you at either or both meetings.
_____________________________________________________________
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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Tue Oct  2 11:23:23 2007
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 11:23:23 -0400
Subject: [mdlug-newbie] Looking for assistance - we want to help
In-Reply-To: <EEEKKNNNBKNBLEJGBFCGGEAOCDAA.smittysmit@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33FD6@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Michael A. Smith

> On a separate note, is it in the realm of possibility that Creative might
> open the rights to ALSA for the X-FI series of cards?

 Looks like they are going the closed-source route instead:

 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=857&num=1

 ...but apparently it'll support ALSA. I'm not an audiophile so I'm
happy with my SBLive that gets the sound job done.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                           (313) 227-2317

 "Don't change horsemen mid-apocalypse!" - Bush's re-election slogan
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From gib at juno.com  Tue Oct  2 17:06:32 2007
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 21:06:32 GMT
Subject: [mdlug-newbie] Looking for assistance - we want to help
Message-ID: <20071002.170632.6212.1@webmail15.vgs.untd.com>


We do have wireless access.

-- "Michael A. Smith" <smittysmit at ameritech.net> wrote:
All:
	I hope to be there this month but work travel might put a damper on it.  If
it happens, I will bring my laptop in with the hopes of getting sound
drivers loaded (Toshiba).  Do you have wireless access there to test as
well?  I have many other questions but hope to be a regular to pick up a
wealth of info.

On a separate note, is it in the realm of possibility that Creative might
open the rights to ALSA for the X-FI series of cards?  I have read on the
web that "it will never happen" as well as "it might happen".

-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-newbie-bounces at mdlug.org
[mailto:mdlug-newbie-bounces at mdlug.org]On Behalf Of gib at juno.com
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 18:53
To: mdlug-newbie at mdlug.org
Cc: mdlug-newbie at mdlug.org
Subject: [mdlug-newbie] Looking for assistance - we want to help


Welcome to the Metro Detroit Linux User Group. We just had an install fest
near you (Inkster Road Just North of Michigan Ave). We will have meetings
every month on the second Saturday.  We'd love to help you get away from
your foolish addiction to Windows.  We'll give you free bootable CDs with
Linux and help you with problems.

Another group that many of us belong to is Mug (http://www.mug.org).  The
meeting for this group is the second Tuesday (hey, that's in just a few
days).  We typically have more formal presentations.  Someone may be willing
to help you there as well.

Hope to see you at either or both meetings.
_____________________________________________________________
Upgrade your kitchen or bath with beautiful new countertops. Click now!
http://3rdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iiewq7kwpT6FsXTvT4K0MiUmnO6i5
S9xrSuCWyhUKyhFN1KO3/


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From smittysmit at ameritech.net  Tue Oct  2 17:47:33 2007
From: smittysmit at ameritech.net (Michael A. Smith)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 17:47:33 -0400
Subject: [mdlug-newbie] Looking for assistance - we want to help
In-Reply-To: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33FD6@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <EEEKKNNNBKNBLEJGBFCGMEBBCDAA.smittysmit@ameritech.net>

Thank you for the quick response.  My home box is a self built AMD box and
went with the X-FI card since I have a decent audio system connected to it.
Once I started dabbling in Linux, I found to my dismay that Creative is
catering to M$ but this is good news going forward.  My first goal is to get
audio on my laptop...but that's what the 2nd Saturdays are for.  I hope to
be there depending on my schedule and will bring the laptop.

Smitty

-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-newbie-bounces at mdlug.org
[mailto:mdlug-newbie-bounces at mdlug.org]On Behalf Of Ingles, Raymond
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:23
To: A place where there are no dumb (linux related) questions.
Subject: Re: [mdlug-newbie] Looking for assistance - we want to help

> From: Michael A. Smith

> On a separate note, is it in the realm of possibility that Creative might
> open the rights to ALSA for the X-FI series of cards?

 Looks like they are going the closed-source route instead:

 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=857&num=1

 ...but apparently it'll support ALSA. I'm not an audiophile so I'm
happy with my SBLive that gets the sound job done.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                           (313) 227-2317

 "Don't change horsemen mid-apocalypse!" - Bush's re-election slogan
The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It
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From driveray at ameritech.net  Mon Oct 15 14:50:48 2007
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:50:48 -0400
Subject: [mdlug-newbie] test
Message-ID: <4713B688.5040508@ameritech.net>

test


From eaglecoach at wwnet.com  Sat Oct 27 09:19:00 2007
From: eaglecoach at wwnet.com (Robert Meier)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 09:19:00 -0400
Subject: [mdlug-newbie] MDLUG usage reminder
Message-ID: <47233AC4.mail6BI11M88T@freehold.wwnet.com>

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From smittysmit at ameritech.net  Mon Oct  1 19:53:39 2007
From: smittysmit at ameritech.net (Michael A. Smith)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 19:53:39 -0400
Subject: [mdlug-newbie] Looking for assistance - we want to help
In-Reply-To: <20070909.185233.1876.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <EEEKKNNNBKNBLEJGBFCGGEAOCDAA.smittysmit@ameritech.net>

All:
	I hope to be there this month but work travel might put a damper on it.  If
it happens, I will bring my laptop in with the hopes of getting sound
drivers loaded (Toshiba).  Do you have wireless access there to test as
well?  I have many other questions but hope to be a regular to pick up a
wealth of info.

On a separate note, is it in the realm of possibility that Creative might
open the rights to ALSA for the X-FI series of cards?  I have read on the
web that "it will never happen" as well as "it might happen".

-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-newbie-bounces at mdlug.org
[mailto:mdlug-newbie-bounces at mdlug.org]On Behalf Of gib at juno.com
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 18:53
To: mdlug-newbie at mdlug.org
Cc: mdlug-newbie at mdlug.org
Subject: [mdlug-newbie] Looking for assistance - we want to help


Welcome to the Metro Detroit Linux User Group. We just had an install fest
near you (Inkster Road Just North of Michigan Ave). We will have meetings
every month on the second Saturday.  We'd love to help you get away from
your foolish addiction to Windows.  We'll give you free bootable CDs with
Linux and help you with problems.

Another group that many of us belong to is Mug (http://www.mug.org).  The
meeting for this group is the second Tuesday (hey, that's in just a few
days).  We typically have more formal presentations.  Someone may be willing
to help you there as well.

Hope to see you at either or both meetings.
_____________________________________________________________
Upgrade your kitchen or bath with beautiful new countertops. Click now!
http://3rdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iiewq7kwpT6FsXTvT4K0MiUmnO6i5
S9xrSuCWyhUKyhFN1KO3/


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From Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com  Tue Oct  2 11:23:23 2007
From: Raymond.Ingles at compuware.com (Ingles, Raymond)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 11:23:23 -0400
Subject: [mdlug-newbie] Looking for assistance - we want to help
In-Reply-To: <EEEKKNNNBKNBLEJGBFCGGEAOCDAA.smittysmit@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33FD6@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>

> From: Michael A. Smith

> On a separate note, is it in the realm of possibility that Creative might
> open the rights to ALSA for the X-FI series of cards?

 Looks like they are going the closed-source route instead:

 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=857&num=1

 ...but apparently it'll support ALSA. I'm not an audiophile so I'm
happy with my SBLive that gets the sound job done.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                           (313) 227-2317

 "Don't change horsemen mid-apocalypse!" - Bush's re-election slogan
The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it.


From gib at juno.com  Tue Oct  2 17:06:32 2007
From: gib at juno.com (gib at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 21:06:32 GMT
Subject: [mdlug-newbie] Looking for assistance - we want to help
Message-ID: <20071002.170632.6212.1@webmail15.vgs.untd.com>


We do have wireless access.

-- "Michael A. Smith" <smittysmit at ameritech.net> wrote:
All:
	I hope to be there this month but work travel might put a damper on it.  If
it happens, I will bring my laptop in with the hopes of getting sound
drivers loaded (Toshiba).  Do you have wireless access there to test as
well?  I have many other questions but hope to be a regular to pick up a
wealth of info.

On a separate note, is it in the realm of possibility that Creative might
open the rights to ALSA for the X-FI series of cards?  I have read on the
web that "it will never happen" as well as "it might happen".

-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-newbie-bounces at mdlug.org
[mailto:mdlug-newbie-bounces at mdlug.org]On Behalf Of gib at juno.com
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 18:53
To: mdlug-newbie at mdlug.org
Cc: mdlug-newbie at mdlug.org
Subject: [mdlug-newbie] Looking for assistance - we want to help


Welcome to the Metro Detroit Linux User Group. We just had an install fest
near you (Inkster Road Just North of Michigan Ave). We will have meetings
every month on the second Saturday.  We'd love to help you get away from
your foolish addiction to Windows.  We'll give you free bootable CDs with
Linux and help you with problems.

Another group that many of us belong to is Mug (http://www.mug.org).  The
meeting for this group is the second Tuesday (hey, that's in just a few
days).  We typically have more formal presentations.  Someone may be willing
to help you there as well.

Hope to see you at either or both meetings.
_____________________________________________________________
Upgrade your kitchen or bath with beautiful new countertops. Click now!
http://3rdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iiewq7kwpT6FsXTvT4K0MiUmnO6i5
S9xrSuCWyhUKyhFN1KO3/


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From smittysmit at ameritech.net  Tue Oct  2 17:47:33 2007
From: smittysmit at ameritech.net (Michael A. Smith)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 17:47:33 -0400
Subject: [mdlug-newbie] Looking for assistance - we want to help
In-Reply-To: <41C33488FEC67C43BC564F5F086C21FF03A33FD6@nasa-dtw-ex001.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <EEEKKNNNBKNBLEJGBFCGMEBBCDAA.smittysmit@ameritech.net>

Thank you for the quick response.  My home box is a self built AMD box and
went with the X-FI card since I have a decent audio system connected to it.
Once I started dabbling in Linux, I found to my dismay that Creative is
catering to M$ but this is good news going forward.  My first goal is to get
audio on my laptop...but that's what the 2nd Saturdays are for.  I hope to
be there depending on my schedule and will bring the laptop.

Smitty

-----Original Message-----
From: mdlug-newbie-bounces at mdlug.org
[mailto:mdlug-newbie-bounces at mdlug.org]On Behalf Of Ingles, Raymond
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:23
To: A place where there are no dumb (linux related) questions.
Subject: Re: [mdlug-newbie] Looking for assistance - we want to help

> From: Michael A. Smith

> On a separate note, is it in the realm of possibility that Creative might
> open the rights to ALSA for the X-FI series of cards?

 Looks like they are going the closed-source route instead:

 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=857&num=1

 ...but apparently it'll support ALSA. I'm not an audiophile so I'm
happy with my SBLive that gets the sound job done.

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles                                           (313) 227-2317

 "Don't change horsemen mid-apocalypse!" - Bush's re-election slogan
The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It
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From driveray at ameritech.net  Mon Oct 15 14:50:48 2007
From: driveray at ameritech.net (Raymond McLaughlin)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:50:48 -0400
Subject: [mdlug-newbie] test
Message-ID: <4713B688.5040508@ameritech.net>

test


From eaglecoach at wwnet.com  Sat Oct 27 09:19:00 2007
From: eaglecoach at wwnet.com (Robert Meier)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 09:19:00 -0400
Subject: [mdlug-newbie] MDLUG usage reminder
Message-ID: <47233AC4.mail6BI11M88T@freehold.wwnet.com>

This is the monthly reminder of
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Please send comments to eaglecoach at wwnet.com
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